Comments on: Theology

By: Avalokiteshvara

Avalokiteshvara — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:23:51 +0000

And consider this:

1. The Old Testament says a Messiah will come once and restore New Jerusalem.

2. Jesus arrives and says he is the Messiah and that he will return again.

3. The Jews say he is NOT the messiah.

4. He says He is and that they are wrong.

The problem is that He says their theology is wrong, BUT their theology is the one that he HIMSELF says he upholds. If the OT is the EWord of God, then Christ CAN’T be the Messiah if he upholds the VERY laws he says are wrong. If the OT jews are wrong about the Messiah, then Christ must be wrong too because he upheld those SAME laws. Thus:

1. If Jesus is right then BOTH the OT and Jesus are wrong and Jesus is not the Messiah

2. If the OT is right. Jesus is not the Messiah.

3. Ergo Jesus is not the Messiah.

By: Helen Terlecki Wright

Helen Terlecki Wright — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:18:41 +0000

There is NO DOUBT what so ever Ron is teaching Blasphemy.. And you are right, those are not the laws Christ is upholding.

By: Avalokiteshvara

Avalokiteshvara — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:12:43 +0000

Yes. I don;t believe in Satan. Lucifer in Jewish theology was merely a bad apple, and had no role in human misery other than the result of “original sin”. It was in Christianity and Islam that the idea of a “Hell” as we know it gained notoriety. There is no Hell in Judaism, so there can;t be one in Christianity. Plus, the Jewish Messiah was only supposed to come once and establish the New Jerusalem. Thus, Jews reject Christ, as he was NOT supposed to be crucified or return a second time.

So for Ron to go even further and suggest that Christ/Yahweh are adding even more “plot twists” to the story of Christian and jewish theology is not only heresy, it is blasphemy because it negates the Old Testament, the VERY laws Christ said he was upholding.

By: Helen Terlecki Wright

Helen Terlecki Wright — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 04:01:53 +0000

Ron teaches bad things. He likes to scare people to get what he wants. gimme gimme Very demanding. Very Big Ego.. Very Greedy.. Very Hateful… etc. etc..

By: Helen Terlecki Wright

Helen Terlecki Wright — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:56:08 +0000

That is right though Avalo, Ron has been wrong, and of course it proves they are just plain wrong. Like other prophets who claimed the end has come in the past. Now that is FACT.
It is so confusing to me why we can see Ron is wrong and have proof he is wrong and yet his followers don’t see it.. Most of them went through this with Armstrong didn’t they? Then why do they keep putting themselves through false teachings. I just don’t comprehend that. I mean I was PKG, but when Ron start saying he was prophet, then him and Laura were witnesses, i thought WHOA hold on here.. something is wrong with this picture. Then Ron changed Trinity also, and some left his church because of that. Good for them.
I know when i was in pkg Ron said some men from some churches would die. But not being familiar with Armstrong and others, I really didn’t know why he picked on them. But Mike isn’t a preacher, so why would he curse his death.. OH, maybe because who ever is against Ron will die.
To be honest I think that is really sick..
I hear there are worse preachers than even Ron.

Question: Of course you wouldn’t believe in Satan if there is no God, right? I just heard of a lady who saved 52 kids out of a Satanic Cult just from one small city.. You don’t hear much of that. And know it is growing and growing..

By: Avalokiteshvara

Avalokiteshvara — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:54:40 +0000

No problem Helen.

According to the Bible, Jesus as Christ said a lot of things in a lot of ways. The Buddhists call this “skillful means”, that is, saying things in a different manner to different people so they can understand on their own terms. The original Buddha would give highly intellectual lectures to scholars and simple lectures to famers. Not because the farmers were stupid, but because they terms they would understand him in would be based on spiritual allegories about wheat or soil, rather than scholarly logic. Jesus did the same thing. The Pharisees used logic against Christ and he “logic-ed” them right back. The disciples who were fishermen were taught to become “fishers of men”. The doubters saw Christ walk on water. The believers needed nothing but Christ’s promise and their sick family member would instantly healed at that moment. The hungry got actual bread, and were taught to seek spiritual nourishment. The greedy were taught to put up treasure in heaven. VERY simple.

Ronald Weinland is DEMANDING that the simple become complex, the hungry to close their mouths, the weak to be shamed, and the cold to be repentant.

Whose “doctrine” does that sound like?

By: Helen Terlecki Wright

Helen Terlecki Wright — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:42:22 +0000

That is right Avalo, you did have that discussion between you and the Pastor. I think that is really neat that you both were able to have a discussion like that. That is the way it should be.
Everything you said makes alot of sense. Really, to think about it, in a way to a certain point we are athiest if we are against anothers belief, is that what you meant? That is very logical what you wrote. Never thought of it like that. I think alot of people who call themselves Athiest give Athiest a bad name because they aren’t using the word correctly, as many, many Christians give the Christians a bad name, I guess that would be for Muslums also, right? I am really getting a better understanding of Athiest, I certainly didn’t have my facts straight. I am thankful to have an open mind now to want to learn more about non-believers, not just what Christians think about them. I am glad to beable to form my own opinion. I wish more people would be open minded about learning from others. But as you know alot of churches want their congragation to be close minded.. What a dis-service to all people who close their minds. That is why so many people are so screwed up.
And a great big AMEN to “YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE RIGHT TO DO RIGHT”. I agree with that for sure.. Just like one doesn’t have to be of faith,or no faith to do right.
I hope my book comes Friday so i can show my son.. Thanks Avalo for your explaination. I may be asking other questions, so be prepared.

By: Avalokiteshvara

Avalokiteshvara — Fri, 25 Nov 2011 03:33:37 +0000

This is the very reason many of us oppose Ronald Weinland. There are hundreds of people who think that they hear God or are God’s True prophet, etc. The KEY difference though is that Ronald Weinland and Harold Camping have said things that are in FACT not true.

I have no proof that Ronald Weinland hasn;t heard God speak to him or reveal divine wisdom. So I must measure what He has SAID about this wisdom, or measure the actual wisdom, or meausre his behavior in comparison to the Bible, which he claims is the Holy Word of God.

1. He SAID Mike (DDFTA) would physically die, quickly, from the inside. Wrong.

2. He said there was not going to be an American president in 2009. Wrong.

3. He said he is one of the End Time Witnesses of Revelation. he has done nothing of hat the Bible says he will have the power to do.

4. He has changed the timing and the dates mentioned on the Bible for End Time prophecy. The Bible says this is a sin.

5. Ron has told lies like Christ did most of his miracles and work in the last three weeks of his life. I proved clearly and easily on this blog that Ronald was wrong about that.

This is all demonstrable FACT. So I must conclude that Ronald Weinland is lying or deluded about who he is and what he has said.