Theology

This web page is intended to give a quick orientation of the theology of the Church of God – PKG, or Weinlandism.  It’s divided into two parts.  Since Weinlandism has its roots in the teachings of Herbert W Armstrong (Armstrongism) that will be summarized first.  After that, the Weinland add-ons and modifications to Armstrongism will be summarized.

Armstrongism

Herbert Armstrong started out in the Church of God –  Seventh Day (CG7), being ordained by them in the 1930’s.  But later on he split and  invented his own religion, borrowing doctrines from various others and in some cases plagiarizing the works of others.  The following are doctrines of Armstrongism which have many differences from traditional Christianity:

  • A belief in God as the father and Jesus Christ as the son.  Armstrongism is binitarian, that is a disbelief in the Trinity.
  • A belief that Jesus died for our sins, but at the same time a belief in a selected subset of the Old Testament laws.  This does not include animal sacrifices but does include certain critical aspects such as tithing.
  • Instead of Sunday, the weekly sabbath is on Saturday beginning at sunset on Friday, just as the Jews.
  • Baptism is by total immersion in water, no “sprinkling”.
  • A belief that the return of Jesus Christ is imminent, as told in various books of the Bible such as Revelation and Daniel.
  • When a person dies, his spirit/soul does not go immediately to heaven or hell.  Instead a person is in soul sleep, until being resurrected later.  There are three resurrections: The first is of the 144,000 when Christ returns.  The second is at the end of the Millenium following Christ’s return, when most others are resurrected to live for 100 years.  At the end of the hundred years, Satan is released for a short time and then the third and final resurrection takes place of those who have committed unpardonable sins who are immediately cast into the lake of fire.
  • Christmas and Easter are not observed, believed to have pagan roots brought in when Constantine hijacked Christianity.  Instead, the holy days of the Old Testament: Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles are observed. The days are set according to the Jewish calendar, though not all days are observed on the same days as do the Jews.
  • Tithing is mandatory.  A tithe is a tenth of one’s income.  The first tithe is to be paid to God’s church.  The second tithe is to be used to attend the various holy days (or festivals), and this tithe is kept by the member except that a tithe of the second tithe is to be sent to “headquarters” to be used to pay for festival locations.  A third tithe was to be set aside every third year for widows and orphans (although Armstrong put that money into his church’s general fund and used it to buy gas for his Gulfstream jet).
  • A belief in British Israelism, which is that the lost 10 tribes of Israel are manifested today in modern nations mostly in western Europe.  The USA is thought to be the tribe of Manasseh, and the British Commonwealth the tribe of Ephraim.
  • The local church areas of first century Christianity mentioned in the first 3 books of Revelation are analogous to church eras.  Armstrong taught that his church was “Philadelphia” and the one he split from was “Sardis”.  One more church era was to follow, the Laodicean era.

After splitting from CG7, Armstrong founded the Radio Church of God.  In 1968 he changed its name to the Worldwide Church of God (WCG).  It should be noted that Armstrong’s successors reversed all of these doctrinal differences with traditional Christianity and the denomination is now called Grace Communion International.  However Armstrongism continues in different variations among hundreds of splinters that broke away from the WCG after Armstrong’s death.

Armstrong had a history of False Prophecies.  He prophesied that Hitler was the “beast” and would win World War II.  Through his surrogates backed up by other statements from him, he prophesied that the Great Tribulation would begin in 1972 and that Christ would return on the Feast of Trumpets in 1975.  After that failure he learned to be less specific, but still put out the idea that the Great Tribulation was imminent with German soldiers treading the streets of the US.

WCG Member Lifestyle During Armstrong’s Era

WCG members generally live in their community and dress average to conservatively generally according to the current style with limits.  While Amish-style dress and unusual head gear is not used, there are limits as miniskirts were not allowed.  And otherwise fashion trends are not followed until adopted by the majority of the population.  Long hair on men and short hair on women is frowned on.  Smoking is heavily frowned upon, practically a biblical sin.  Drinking alcohol in moderation is OK.  Participation in civil government was frowned upon, no voting or serving or juries. The members’ diet was similar to the community, except that certain meats such as pork or shellfish are considered to be “unclean”.  Some extended this to avoiding products with ingredients that are byproducts, such as vitamins in gel-cap form (gelatin being a byproduct of pigs).

Besides not participating in Christmas or Easter, birthdays were also generally not observed.  Instead Jewish-like holy days were observed, with the Feast of Tabernacles in the fall being the main event.  Members would travel great distances to different locations to assemble for 8 days.  Initially during the feast, there would be two sermons everyday with the schedule rearranged so that there would be 3 sermons on the higher days within the feast.  Later on this schedule was relaxed to one sermon per day and two sermons on the high days. For kids, the feast was the closest thing to Christmas.  That is except for children like me whose father wanted to economize so that he could turn over excess second tithe to “The Work”.

Initially, divorce was a big no-no.  In some cases marriages were broken up by the church when it was discovered that one of the partners had previously been married.  This doctrine was relaxed later on, conveniently prior to Armstrong’s marriage to a divorcee.  Members were taught to avoid using the medical profession and some died following this belief including Armstrong’s first wife Loma.  Instead, members were to seek anointing by a minister.  Armstrong himself used medical services.  There were teachings against the use of makeup, which was relaxed before Armstrong married his second wife and then reinstated during Armstrong’s divorce from wife #2.

Church services were low key, no snake handling or speaking in tongues or other such exotic practices.  The format was generally a sermonette of perhaps 15 minutes and a longer sermon.  There was singing before after and in between sermons.  A lay member generally gave an opening prayer and another a closing prayer.  (Weinland has changed the format, eliminating the sermonette and the singing.) Women were not allowed to speak during services, and could only be ordained to the lowest rank of Deaconess.  There was no weekly communion, the closest equivalent happens once a year during the Passover season, and includes a foot-washing ceremony restricted to baptized members only.

Weinlandism

Ronald Weinland summarizes Armstrongism as the core 18 of his “Fifty Truths” plus 3 “truths” remaining intact at the end of the “Sardis” era.  He interprets the prophecies of the Bible into modern events some of which have already happened.

He emphasizes two main doctrines in order to join his church: (1) the seventh day sabbath and (2) paying tithes to his church.  The most important doctrine though not stated as such is that Ronald Weinland speaks for God  and is the only person eligible to interpret the Bible, particularly the book of Revelation.

In a major departure from Armstrongism, Weinland teaches that Jesus Christ did not exist prior to being born to Mary.  This doctrinal change was imposed on his church during the 2005 Feast of Tabernacles a few weeks before he proclaimed himself to be one of the two witnesses.

Some of the liberalized version of Amstrongism has been retained.  Instead of tithing on the gross (before tax) income, one may tithe on the net after taxes.  The third tithe is not required any longer since governments have already covered this via Social Security taxes and similar programs.   Divorce and remarriage requirements have been softened, and even some of his elders are in marriages in which one of the partners was divorced.

Some other prophetic doctrine:

  • Originally he taught that Herbert Armstrong was the End-Time Elijah, but now claims the title for himself.
  • The Worldwide Church of God was the temple prophesied to be rebuilt and destroyed before the end time.
  • Joseph Tkach Sr., HWA’s successor who changed the church doctrine during his sermon in Atlanta on Dec 17, 1994 (the “abomination of desolation”) is the “Man of Sin” and the “son of perdition” of 2 Thes 2.
  • The Philadelphian church era has ended and we are now in the Laodicean era.  The Church of God – PKG is the only one of the splinters of Armstrongism which is God’s true church.
  • In a departure from Armstrongism, Weinland is unitarian in teaching that God is the only being to have eternally existed and Jesus did not exist before being born to Mary.
  • “The 144,000” are those currently living and those who lived through the last 6000 years who are to be resurrected and/or converted to spirit being at Christ’s return.  To be part of the 144,000 you have to be “sealed” 1335 days before Christ’s return.  The only people eligible to be “sealed” were those who were members of WCG on Dec 17, 1994 and were also members of COG-PKG on Sep 30, 2008.
  • Eventually a tithe of a third (or about 3000) people who were in WCG in 1994 will join his church.
  • There is no reward in heaven.  When resurrected, you become a full member of God’s family (Elohim) with God as the Father and Jesus as elder brother.  You remain on the earth, playing a role in God’s government and occasionally fighting Satan, whenever God decides to release him for a bit of exercise.
  • The Seven Thunders mentioned in Revelation 10 but not revealed by John have been defined by Weinland.  These thunders were to occur leading up to and intensifying at the Sealing of the 144,000  which precedes Christ’s return.  (The sealing allegedly took place Feb 2, 2008 but was rescheduled for Sept 30, 2008.)
  • The End-Time Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 have been revealed: Ron & Laura Weinland.  And it doesn’t matter that Laura is a woman despite a general prohibition against women speaking in church.
  • The “Fiftieth Truth” announced in June 2008 was that the 144,000 are to be sealed on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 30, 2008 and that Christ returns on Pentecost, May 27 2012.
  • In December of 2009 he announced the ordination of women to the rank of elder.  Women will not be able to deliver sermons but will be able to baptize.

The “Fiftieth Truth” is a revision of Weinland’s first prophesied timeline which had the 144,000 sealed on Feb 2, 2008 and the return of Christ to occur in September of 2011.  This change came about after the failure of other prophesies of the first timeline which included that there was to be clear evidence by June 8, 2008 (the date CoG-PKG had set for Pentecost), that 1/3 of all plant life in the US would die, and that there would be the deaths of tens of thousands of animals and humans as well.

The “truths” are given on the church website, www.cog-pkg.org, then click the Publication tab and then find the link for the 50 “truths”.

The most important doctrine, not stated as such, is that Ronald Weinland receives revelations from God.  This is accomplished, not via a burning bush or similar mechanism, but rather directly into Ron’s mind.  Ron often brags how he was converted to Armstrongism by his father explaining what they were, no proof biblical or otherwise was needed.

Revisions

During November of 2009 Weinland claimed that in addition to being a prophet that he is also an apostle, and in December pushing Herbert Armstrong to the side claimed to be the final Elijah-to-come.  He also began ordaining women as elders in his church, however they are still not allowed to speak during church services.

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115 Comments

  • DRMR says:

    “In a major departure from Armstrongism, Weinland teaches that Jesus Christ did not exist prior to being born to Mary.”

    From John: In the beginning was the Word…….and the Word was God……….All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made……..He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not……..And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us…….

    I just tuned in to the Ron Weinland situation about 5 months ago (approximately).

    Has anybody ever heard Ron in a sermon speak in detail about Jesus Christ not existing before Mary?

    And did he say anything about the first fourteen verses of John chapter one?

    I’m just curious, because the first fourteen verses in John are pretty hard to dispute, if not impossible, because they seem pretty plain.

    I don’t see, how even members of Rons’ church wouldn’t see this as a direct contradiction to the Word of God on a major issue. (for those who believe)

    Kirrily (or anybody) have you ever heard Ron give a sermon on this topic?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I have listened to a sermon on this, I think it was announced and taught on during the 2005 feast – but I am not 100% sure.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Kirrily is correct (a bit of alliteration there 😉 On the PKG Audio page, look for a link to the 2005 FoT Nature of Christ sermon series which includes “NOT ONE WORD!!!”

  • Skeptic says:

    I have to agree with Ron on the issue that Jesus did not exist before being born (never thought I would say this). I am not surprised that the John 1 card would be pulled to back this argument because this chapter has caused much confusion, even to myself.

    I am sure you will agree with me that God’s Word can be understood to be God’s plan or purpose. I am sure you have done your homework and come to understand that the word “Word” is translated from the Greek word “logos” which means intention or purpose. God’s plan is to have Jesus (a human like you and I except sinless) rule over the earth. This plan is currently being realised due to Jesus being made existent (made flesh) on earth +/- 2000 years ago and when He comes back God’s ultimate plan for the earth will be fulfilled.

    Now before you pull the John 3:13 card with regards to Jesus coming down from heaven, can this not be interpreted as Jesus’ origin being heavenly in-so-far as being conceived by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven.

    I am not going to sit here and tell you that you are wrong, I have no intention of doing that, but you can easily see how this can be interpreted differently, as with many verses in the Bible.

    Here’s another one for you to think about, most Christians believe that they will go to heaven when they die but John 3:13 mentions that no man has ascended to heaven except Jesus. Where do you think we go when we die then?

    BTW Ron Weinland is a prick!!

  • AggieAtheist says:

    Read more about the unveiling of Weinland’s (heresy in Armstrongist terms) unitarianism at the Feast in 2005, reported by an eyewitness to the event.

  • russell suits sr says:

    when time came for ron to prove himself a Godly man he boldly stood up and turned tail an ran!!! brave brave brave ron weinland!!

  • martyn haggeety says:

    Some people wil believe anything. He is obviously cashing in on this fact and sucking them dry with an Old Covenant theology of tithing which Hebrews 8 specifically says is obsolete. “Believe not every spirit but test them to see whether they are of God”

  • psalm4iscool says:

    Ok. If anyone wants to hear what is probably a true timeline of the things that will happen in the next 7 years they can email me at wolftracks4@gmail.com. Yes, I am claiming to be a prophet. No, I don’t want ur Damn money. Ever saw a beautiful mind? Basically that’s what happened to me. Im nineteen years old, had a pretty normal childhood (average athletically, good at baseball, high iq and very high test scores not trying to brag just stating some facts). Around january 8th (not sure if that’s exact), two friends and I had a very close encounter with what I can only describe as 3 ufos. For around three days after that I had what doctors called a delusional psychotic break. Basically what happened was god (I believe) gave me full understanding of biblical numbers and their significance. I have no clue how I know what these numbers mean but they make sense. I don’t claim to be sinless because im not. All I can say is that I will try as hard as possible in the future to do what god wants me to do, and follow all of jesus’ commandments (I believe that old testament commandments were made null and void by jesus’ commandments, plus if you do believe in the old testament commandments you should follow all of them which im pretty sure includes stoning ur wife and kids if they break certain laws). Anyways, I apologize for bad grammar im using a phone to type this. Email me if you’re interested at all. Also I love hatemail so bring it on.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    You really need to take your medication, there. Mental illness is no laughing matter. Even worse when religion enters the mix.

  • Astonished says:

    I am astonished that anyone would believe all of the self-proclaimed false prophets out there today, much less follow one as blatant as this one. Thanks for your work and saving me the time to investigate this one. Date setting and changing the rules are enough for me to not accept any of the teachings to be truth. I will believe the Bible as the Holy Spirit reveals it to me and double check it as I have been deluded before.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Why does everyone else get to be a prophet? God never talks to me or sends me anything! All I get are constant bills and rent notices…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Astonished”, as a general rule anyone who claims to have special knowledge is making things up. Best to figure things out, particularly if the religious guru starts running your life and asking for money.

  • gaelen says:

    i am a prophetess and if you send me lots of money i will paint your image on my toenails. stand back in wonder as i work! 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Gaelen: FINALLY! Someone who can lead me to true freedom and knowledge of God! No one today is preaching what you are preaching, like a lone voice in the wilderness. As Christ said, “greet each other with a holy kiss” which clearly means that I must observe the Passover by having my image painted on your toenails.

    I have e-mailed you 18.6 billion dollars through the sky via the Pentagon, and my pet cat knows that’s true and I saw a mermaid yesterday who taught me how to maximize my returns on general interest compounded accounts and Ronald Weinland is a true prophet of God and my other cat has just written an excellent article exposing semiological reductionism in Derrida’s later works. Praise gaelen! praise gaelen!…my blood hurts….

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Glad I found this page Mike. Wanted to read on Armstrongs back ground. So apparently he changed his teachings as time went on also.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Yes, he (both Herbie and Ron) changed their teachings as time went along. The word of God is quite flexible. As in making being a sin, then not a sin, then it became a sin when Herbie had a marital spat with his second wife who liked to wear makeup.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Really then it comes down to ministers change up scripture and what God tells them so it will fit into their own lives!!?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Exactly. Don’t you wish you could be an apostle too, so that you could make up the rules as you went along?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “make up” the rules…nice unintentional pun!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hello Ronald Weinland:

    If indeed this is really you in the preceding post and not just some prank, let me be brief. You said you would stop preaching if your predictions didn’t come true. You didn’t do so, thus you are a liar and by your own words are INSANE. Are you brave enough to actually show up here for real and debate with Mike (DDTFA), a guy your CURSED to die and it didn’t happen?

    Are you man enough to actually admit you are a liar and a thief, or are you too weak to face your critics?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    MIKE! I didn’t know Ron Cursed you to die. Why? When? That is a horrible thing to preach… WHOA… From the inside out? Oh for pete sakes.. disgusting. I haven’t known an Athiest or Agnostic to wish death on someone for giving out truth. He is not Athiest or a Christian then what is Ron!!! Just had a long talk with my son on Athiesm and Agnostic.. Just because he believes in Evolution, not the Bible or a God, he is a non-believer, but didn’t go ahead and say, “I wish the Christians death”. Hmmmm

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Now myself, I think there has to be a God. Where else did the earth come from and creatures. My son said, “God didn’t point and say, OK put a mountain over there and over there, or let’s put a lake here, ect. ect”. No maybe not. Time and weather could have done all that, but who started for everything to go in motion”?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen:

    1. Yes. Ron did put a curse on Mike AND all the presenters from the various churches run by ex members of the WorldWide Church of God (Meredith, Aimes, etc). He said it was his first duty as an End Time witness and the first sign of his power. Since that didn’t happen, he changed his explanation of it and made it “spiritual”, so Mike “actually” died in a spiritual sense and now he is supposedly filled with hate and misery.

    2. There are a lot of things science can’t explain (why an electron doesn’t fly apart, how light behaves like both a particle and a wave, etc. But the everyday stuff around you is and has been explainable for decades now. Just because something seems amazing does not mean it is impossible. This is why many people have a hard time believing in scientific fact OR religion. It is just as astonishing to me that people worship an imaginary God as the fact that material in the universe is accelerating after the so-called Big Bang. BUT that doesn’t mean there is NO explanation. I don;t believe that humans can levitate on their own power anymore than Yahweh exists, so I look to any and all evidence. That is why I try to be clear about what I and other actual atheists call “atheism”. The word ‘atheism’ is a faulty word in truth because it defines me in terms of “opposite of theism”. It implies that I don;t believe in a real God. That is not what I am. I don;t believe the evidence for any God.

    For example Helen, you are an atheist too in the sense that you don;t believe in the Hindu god Vishnu. So you are an atheist in context of Hinduism. All people can be defined as an “atheist” in comparison with other religions. So you and I both are ‘atheists’ to a Hindu.

    I just go one God further than you…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Plus Helen it is also why I am just as against idiotic atheists as much as idiotic theists. Any and all things I might say to a Christian, I would say to an unschooled atheist too. In fact, as mentioned elsewhere on this blog, I have actually gone to a church (as requested by the senior pastor) to teach young Christians how to defend themselves against any and all atheists who don’t have their facts straight. The pastor and I had an open discussion in front of the congregation on a youth night and we discussed various methods of intellectual self-defense for the youths to consider. So I taught them about logical fallacies and the pastor discussed common scriptures that atheists used against Christians. Doesn’t mean I believe in God or am going to change how I view things. But teaching others how to think about and analyze an argument is just plain old good education, no matter who is right or wrong.

    You don’t have to BE right to DO right…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This is the very reason many of us oppose Ronald Weinland. There are hundreds of people who think that they hear God or are God’s True prophet, etc. The KEY difference though is that Ronald Weinland and Harold Camping have said things that are in FACT not true.

    I have no proof that Ronald Weinland hasn;t heard God speak to him or reveal divine wisdom. So I must measure what He has SAID about this wisdom, or measure the actual wisdom, or meausre his behavior in comparison to the Bible, which he claims is the Holy Word of God.

    1. He SAID Mike (DDFTA) would physically die, quickly, from the inside. Wrong.

    2. He said there was not going to be an American president in 2009. Wrong.

    3. He said he is one of the End Time Witnesses of Revelation. he has done nothing of hat the Bible says he will have the power to do.

    4. He has changed the timing and the dates mentioned on the Bible for End Time prophecy. The Bible says this is a sin.

    5. Ron has told lies like Christ did most of his miracles and work in the last three weeks of his life. I proved clearly and easily on this blog that Ronald was wrong about that.

    This is all demonstrable FACT. So I must conclude that Ronald Weinland is lying or deluded about who he is and what he has said.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    That is right Avalo, you did have that discussion between you and the Pastor. I think that is really neat that you both were able to have a discussion like that. That is the way it should be.
    Everything you said makes alot of sense. Really, to think about it, in a way to a certain point we are athiest if we are against anothers belief, is that what you meant? That is very logical what you wrote. Never thought of it like that. I think alot of people who call themselves Athiest give Athiest a bad name because they aren’t using the word correctly, as many, many Christians give the Christians a bad name, I guess that would be for Muslums also, right? I am really getting a better understanding of Athiest, I certainly didn’t have my facts straight. I am thankful to have an open mind now to want to learn more about non-believers, not just what Christians think about them. I am glad to beable to form my own opinion. I wish more people would be open minded about learning from others. But as you know alot of churches want their congragation to be close minded.. What a dis-service to all people who close their minds. That is why so many people are so screwed up.
    And a great big AMEN to “YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE RIGHT TO DO RIGHT”. I agree with that for sure.. Just like one doesn’t have to be of faith,or no faith to do right.
    I hope my book comes Friday so i can show my son.. Thanks Avalo for your explaination. I may be asking other questions, so be prepared. 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    No problem Helen.

    According to the Bible, Jesus as Christ said a lot of things in a lot of ways. The Buddhists call this “skillful means”, that is, saying things in a different manner to different people so they can understand on their own terms. The original Buddha would give highly intellectual lectures to scholars and simple lectures to famers. Not because the farmers were stupid, but because they terms they would understand him in would be based on spiritual allegories about wheat or soil, rather than scholarly logic. Jesus did the same thing. The Pharisees used logic against Christ and he “logic-ed” them right back. The disciples who were fishermen were taught to become “fishers of men”. The doubters saw Christ walk on water. The believers needed nothing but Christ’s promise and their sick family member would instantly healed at that moment. The hungry got actual bread, and were taught to seek spiritual nourishment. The greedy were taught to put up treasure in heaven. VERY simple.

    Ronald Weinland is DEMANDING that the simple become complex, the hungry to close their mouths, the weak to be shamed, and the cold to be repentant.

    Whose “doctrine” does that sound like?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    That is right though Avalo, Ron has been wrong, and of course it proves they are just plain wrong. Like other prophets who claimed the end has come in the past. Now that is FACT.
    It is so confusing to me why we can see Ron is wrong and have proof he is wrong and yet his followers don’t see it.. Most of them went through this with Armstrong didn’t they? Then why do they keep putting themselves through false teachings. I just don’t comprehend that. I mean I was PKG, but when Ron start saying he was prophet, then him and Laura were witnesses, i thought WHOA hold on here.. something is wrong with this picture. Then Ron changed Trinity also, and some left his church because of that. Good for them.
    I know when i was in pkg Ron said some men from some churches would die. But not being familiar with Armstrong and others, I really didn’t know why he picked on them. But Mike isn’t a preacher, so why would he curse his death.. OH, maybe because who ever is against Ron will die.
    To be honest I think that is really sick..
    I hear there are worse preachers than even Ron.

    Question: Of course you wouldn’t believe in Satan if there is no God, right? I just heard of a lady who saved 52 kids out of a Satanic Cult just from one small city.. You don’t hear much of that. And know it is growing and growing..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Ron teaches bad things. He likes to scare people to get what he wants. gimme gimme Very demanding. Very Big Ego.. Very Greedy.. Very Hateful… etc. etc..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yes. I don;t believe in Satan. Lucifer in Jewish theology was merely a bad apple, and had no role in human misery other than the result of “original sin”. It was in Christianity and Islam that the idea of a “Hell” as we know it gained notoriety. There is no Hell in Judaism, so there can;t be one in Christianity. Plus, the Jewish Messiah was only supposed to come once and establish the New Jerusalem. Thus, Jews reject Christ, as he was NOT supposed to be crucified or return a second time.

    So for Ron to go even further and suggest that Christ/Yahweh are adding even more “plot twists” to the story of Christian and jewish theology is not only heresy, it is blasphemy because it negates the Old Testament, the VERY laws Christ said he was upholding.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    There is NO DOUBT what so ever Ron is teaching Blasphemy.. And you are right, those are not the laws Christ is upholding.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And consider this:

    1. The Old Testament says a Messiah will come once and restore New Jerusalem.

    2. Jesus arrives and says he is the Messiah and that he will return again.

    3. The Jews say he is NOT the messiah.

    4. He says He is and that they are wrong.

    The problem is that He says their theology is wrong, BUT their theology is the one that he HIMSELF says he upholds. If the OT is the EWord of God, then Christ CAN’T be the Messiah if he upholds the VERY laws he says are wrong. If the OT jews are wrong about the Messiah, then Christ must be wrong too because he upheld those SAME laws. Thus:

    1. If Jesus is right then BOTH the OT and Jesus are wrong and Jesus is not the Messiah

    2. If the OT is right. Jesus is not the Messiah.

    3. Ergo Jesus is not the Messiah.

  • Graham says:

    I read ron’s book 2008 final witness and then all the others and even stayed at Wayne mathews home for the weekend when ron came to melbourne, with laura his wife, i flew over there from sth. australia and i was not accepted in rons church because i basically had too many questions….! Also i went to dinner with ron and the church in melbourne and was told that i couldnt talk to ron while there. Feel free to get in touch here if you want my conclusion of my visit and the instructions i was given in order to be a baptised member, it was quite wierd…….lol

  • chacha says:

    That sounds typical. You can’t get in without the magic word or secret decoder ring.

    Be VERY glad they did not “let you in”.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Graham is telling the HONEST truth. Graham that happened to my husband also while we visited Utah and my husband went with me for a sermon there. My husband was asking to many questions and then Ron ignored him and was VERY rude. No private audiance with Ron. Then afterward is when i got Ron’s infamous e-mail. And members were not aloud to be around my husband. Ron is a pompous ass. What a big ego for a short fat blad headed man.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Yep, typical.

    If you have questions, it means God isnt calling you.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Exactly Kirrily.. you got that right girlfriend.!!!!! How is Corey feeling?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Corey is going well, bit of a handful last couple of days! He is soooo beautiful 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I am so glad he is feeling better Kirrily. I bet you hold him and just stare at him thinking, “Wow!! He is my precious beautiful boy!!”

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I sure do Helen! I also wonder how many out there are missing out on this experience because they believed the lies of a false prophet. So easily could have been me.

    How many out there have the burden of regret having no heritage to leave behind when they die. Without the joy of watching their child/children grow up, because they chose never to conceive due to an ever iminent (but never appearing) apocolypse.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Now that you have a child, you can fully understand and appreciate the HATE I feel for Ron and The Third Witness when they casually talk about how my family must die as proof of my “wickedness”, their “spirituality” and “God’s Love”.

    The religious are enemies of humanity…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I am beginning to understand Ava – having my boy has changed me so much already. Can’t watch a sad movie involving children now without balling my eyes out.

    How anyone could put a religion before their child is beyond me.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Matthew 19:29 : “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or CHILDREN, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”

    Sorry, Jesus. I am not going to abandon my family so I can be your sheep…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ditto.

  • Thiền Uyển Tập Anh says:

    If my family is at stake then God has to get serious about making his claims clearly and unambiguously. The Bible is his book and I have to believe it? Then God has the burden of proof. I need to see “prima facie” (completely clear and obvious) evidence before I give Matthew 19;29 any thought. It does NOT, thus I can go my way.

    The amount of interpreting and logic bending it takes to make the Bible a coherent book is proof enough that a God who could make electrons would not inspire such a giant pile of incoherent crap like the Old Testament, OR…choose Ronald Weinland to be his Witness.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Man, I keep forgetting to change the Name after my wife uses my laptop! She could say all that in Russian or French, but certainly not in English! She would just end up talking about her hobbies and how much she loves eating! LOL!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Thien uyen Tap Anh.
    Hi, this is Helen.
    I have been wanting to ask you for a while now if you had an authentic “peanut sauce” recipe?. For spring rolls and salad. I have had the authentic kind before and I just can’t find a good recipe for it. I needed it for a dinner next week with the meal I am taking. I hope Mike doesn’t mind but if you have one could you send it to Mike and he can give it to me? That is if he doesn’t want it on his blog. But I must find a recipe for that.
    Thank you… Hope you and the girls are doing well….

  • AlaskanSkeptic says:

    I was talking to a dear friend that I had not been in touch with for a few years. Our conversation turned to religion and his beliefs have changed profoundly since we last spoke, he revealed he was at work one day and got a popup ad the said “the end” being curious somewhat intelligent he ignored it at first but succumbed and checked it out. It was a link to Weinland’s books. I could tell by his extreme views, that he wasn’t onto a traditional religion. Took me about two minutes to find the crack pot he’s has fallen in with. I’m worried and want to know how to approach someone who is now in this cult. If that’s a good term to use. Any advice would be great. Thanks

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Sorry to hear that Alaskan.

    I joined the cult (yes, it is a cult – took me ages even after leaving to admit it) in 2007 and left in Jan 2009.

    I wish I had an answer for you, a solution of sorts – but there really isn’t anything you can do except be there for them when it all falls apart. They have probably (depending on their level of commitment), given huge financial sacrifices to ‘the work’ (Rons lifestyle!) and will be devestated beyond belief when they realise how wrong they were.

    It will take a long time for them to recover. Hopefully they are not too old to make back the money they have undoubtedly lost by giving to this charleton and his wench of a wife.

    I wish I had some comforting words, advice on how you could make them see, but I dont. You see, they WANT to believe Ron is right – and this alone makes them ignore all evidence that they are in fact wrong.

  • Atrocious says:

    I’m sorry to hear that, too. Direct them to this site. If they will read Ron’s site, maybe they’ll read this one.

  • Roberto says:

    Avalokiteshvara, do you believe love exists? Can you prove it scientifically?

  • Helen says:

    Very good and interesting question Roberto..

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    What is love?

  • Disappointed says:

    Baby, don’t hurt me (sorry, couldn’t resist!)

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Lol!!

  • Helen says:

    OMGosh. Really?? lol

  • Helen says:

    I think disappointed that is called rough see-ex….

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Helen, in case you don’t understand what Kirrily and Disappointed were saying, I offer this (you may have to wait through a commercial). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmbhYKDKfU

  • Helen says:

    OOPS!! LMBO My age is showing. Someone’s mind is in the gutter.. hmmmm I usually just listen to oldies but goodiess.
    Thanks for bringing me updated Mike..

  • Helen says:

    Need to stop watching too much tv and stick with blogging!

  • Rick Beltz says:

    The following comment is listed above under “Revisions” concerning Weinland:

    “He also began ordaining women as elders in his church, however they are still not allowed to speak during church services.”

    It is correct that women should not be speaking in the congregation. But…elders are those age 50 and over who are mature in the faith, whether male or female. The entire Bible is based on the elder system and it is likely to be re-instated after Christ returns.

    Thanks for all the work on this site!

  • […] “Weinland’s theology derives from that of Herbert Armstrong, whom he formerly regarded as the end-time Elijah. (Weinland now claims to be the third and last Elijah-to-come.) Weinland has some differences with Armstrong regarding the “God family” or “Elohim”. A major departure from Armstrongism is his 2005 declaration that Jesus did not exist prior to his conception and birth to Mary. He has extended Herbert Armstrong’s 18 Truths to the “49 Truths” and on June 28, 2008 added a new Fiftieth (or Jubilee) “Truth” — that Jesus Christ would return on Pentecost of 2012.  Since then he has added an additional 7 “truths” including the ordination of women (although women are still not allowed to speak during services).” […]

  • […] “Weinland’s theology derives from that of Herbert Armstrong, whom he formerly regarded as the end-time Elijah. (Weinland now claims to be the third and last Elijah-to-come.) Weinland has some differences with Armstrong regarding the “God family” or “Elohim”. A major departure from Armstrongism is his 2005 declaration that Jesus did not exist prior to his conception and birth to Mary. He has extended Herbert Armstrong’s 18 Truths to the “49 Truths” and on June 28, 2008 added a new Fiftieth (or Jubilee) “Truth” — that Jesus Christ would return on Pentecost of 2012.  Since then he has added an additional 7 “truths” including the ordination of women (although women are still not allowed to speak during services).” […]

  • 123 says:

    Commenting on ,” there will be no American president”, did you know that president Obama is not American!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    123:

    Did you know that you are a incredibly stupid conspiracy theorist and non-patriot who makes treasonous statements about a democratically elected American president…because you believe anything said by deluded morons such as Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, or Donald Trump?

    Plus, Weinland said there would be NO PRESIDENT OF ANY KIND IN AMERICA BECAUSE THE USA WOULD NOT EXIST BY 2009, DUE TO ITS TOTAL COLLAPSE AND COMPLETE DESTRUCTION FROM NUCLEAR WAR.

    Learn to read…

  • 123 says:

    Did you know that America does not exist any more in relation to ” The worlds supper power”
    It’s merely hiding from reality and it’s drowned in debt…..
    Are you living in a dream or reality?????

  • Atrocious says:

    Wow, 123, it sure is evident that Ron’s double-speak has infiltrated and contaminated your brain. Obama was born in Hawaii (an American state). The U.S.A. does definitely exist in relation to “The worlds super power” and you are the one merely hiding from reality…the reality that Ronald Weinland is a liar, thief, etc, etc, and a convicted, incarcerated felon. Wake up, 123.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    123:

    Typical. When exposed as the idiot that you are you change the subject or redefine your original point to make it look like you were saying something else. First it’s Obama’s not American, and now America doesn’t exist in “reality” and is a “supper” power.

    Go hide in the basement with your guns and Bible, and leave the thinking to the big boys and girls…

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Yeah, good point !, I always thought that ‘supper power’, was used to describe how fast, you can cook you’re dinner, so that you can catch your favorite television programms ?
    Of course, I could be wrong ? 😀

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also interesting how 123 goes under the names ‘ABC’ and ‘Saaaddd’ to make it look like he/she is more than one person and thuis has “support” from like-minded theists!

    Surprise, surprise…a CoG theist behaving deceitfully!! LOL!

  • […] therein lies the problem. In my opinion, Ronald has developed and maintained his own theology – the “What Ronald Weinland Believes” Theology of which he has made himself the […]

  • With almost everything which appears to be developing within this particular subject material, all your viewpoints are generally fairly exciting. In any case I did take pleasure in examining it.

  • Ellyn says:

    Please help me how to help loved one still Member off PKG

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    It is very difficult to get PKG members to see reason before they’re ready. How long has your loved one been a PKG member?

  • Once and Elder says:

    Ellyn:

    I am a former member of pkg and I can attest to Mike’s statement. They have to see it for themselves before they realize they have been mislead and lied to.

    I will be candid with you, from 2007 to 2012, I was convinced that weinland was who he said he was. It was the failure of weinland’s prophesy of Christ’s return on May 2012 that started my doubts about weinland. I, on my own direction, did an in depth research on weinland and that is how I ended up here. All the information that was here on this site woke me up to what weinland and his family was up to. It was all about fraud and acquiring wealth for themselves.

    Unfortunately, I also have a family member who is still involved with weinland’s group and I will admit it can be trying at times. It will take a great deal of patient to eventually get them to see the real truth about weinland and his family. At the moment, I am waiting for June 9, 2019 to come and go and then I will confront this family member about weinland and all of his lies and misleadings for his own personal gains.

    I have had enough of this selfish self serving individual and his family and his interference with my family. Come June of 2019 I will take a strong stance with this family member and I will prevail in getting rid of this cancer (weinland) that still remains in my family.

  • martin says:

    According to Ronald Weinland, *FAILED PROPHECY* is a test to see if one will stay in his church.
    God says failed prophecy is a test to see if you will leave a false prophet. (see Deut.)

    I can only slap my forehead at Ron’s moronic explanation, and that others accepted it.

    How many failed prophecies does it take to wake somebody up? Apparently a lot.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin

    Do you remember the used car salesmen of the eighties? The ones that wore the white belts and white shoes and they were slick talker who prey on the uninformed.

    Well, that is exactly who loser weinland is!! The slick used car salesman with the white belt and white shoes on!!!

  • martin says:

    The last part of Ron’s (the proven false prophet, proven liar, proven tax thief, and abuser of God’s tithes for selfish lusts) book has been posted.

    Ron claims that his book is a fulfillment of prophecy, but this is horse baloney.

    God doesn’t use a prophet who has a zero batting average as His prophet. It goes without saying that one who claims to be a prophet, and who makes an official prophecy, and that prophecy fails, that man is a false prophet.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    Fulfillment of what!?

    It won’t go anywhere nor will the public be interested in loser weinland’s delusion. Plus now that the writings are done, didn’t the loser say that he would now be recognized by the global community?

    It is just more of the same old garbage that flow from the loser mouth.

  • martin says:

    Ron SAID it was a fulfillment of prophecy so it must be, he said so.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ellyn:

    I really can empathize with what you’re going through. I’m FORTUNATE that I have no family members tied up with this jerk and his family. I was a member from late ’08 through March of last year, and I have to say this past year has been one truly eye opening experience.

    As Mike said, your family member will have to see for themselves what true frauds Ron and Laura and company really are. I don’t know how many failed prophecies it takes for one to finally say ENOUGH and get the heck out. For me it was that, and the reality that I saw my hard earned money going for naught when I was struggling physically and financially.

    I’m also waiting for June 9, 2019 to come and go without so much as a whimper. There were many “friends” that I made through PKG. I put friends in quotes as I no longer hear from them since I would no longer drink the Kool-Aid which is a slowly rotting poison in my view. Hardly a one has contacted me since I’ve left, and I hope this 2019 date debacle will see those folks I knew to realize that they’ve had one of the biggest hoaxes played on them, and leave PKG once and for all.

    The cult mindset can be a hard one to break. One has to have a stronger mind than the leader of the cult to see how truly destructive they are and then have the guts to call it quits.

    All I can say that since I’ve left, I’m much happier now than before I got into PKG. I can see the world for what it is……….not for what someone wants me to see it how they’d like for me to see it. Are there real problems in the world? You betcha! But for folks to sit back and hope for Christ to ride in on a white horse and save them from their problems will only lead to bitter disappointment. I look no further than yesterday’s date to see that for what it was.

    Four years ago, I was one depressed soul. I left a job of many years “hoping” that there’d be something much better in store, spent TONS of money on “supplies” to get me through what was supposed to be a truly terrible time. Most of those supplies are still sitting in my basement untouched, and may as well just be tossed out.

    My better sense told me to leave then, but I was of the mindset that “Well, maybe Ron will be right about next year”. NO! He was wrong yet again as May 19, 2013 came and went without so much as a bang.

    Yet I stayed.

    Then there was his ongoing imprisonment, and more failed predictions. I could go on, but you can see that like me, there are still many others that are sitting back and hoping. I don’t know much more I can add than to say that I truly feel for you! You don’t say where they’re located, but if they are in the PA region, I may know who they are.

    I hope all works out for you in all this…………..you certainly have empathy and sympathy for those of us that lived through the falsehoods of Armstrongism and the folly of PKG.

  • Once an Elder says:

    Fooled no More:

    Well said and stated. I also fell for the lies coming from weinland’s delusions.

    I made the decision to rid my life of weinland and my life has been terrific and back on course!!

    It is time for the “others” to wake up and rid their lives of the weinlands’ as well!

  • martin says:

    Here’s my question….

    When you read something that clearly and plainly contradicted what false prophet Ron said, how did you handle it? Did you agree with Ron? Or did you agree with the bible?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    It is called denial. Or maybe it is the Stockholm Effect.

  • martin says:

    I know I bring this up a dozen times, but when I first checked out Ron’s book in 2008 (out of curiosity, I knew he wasn’t one of the Two Witnesses for many reasons), I went to the chapter where he espoused the doctrine that Christ was not Eternal and didn’t pre-exist His human incarnation.

    I had to slap my for head because I thought, how could anybody believe this garbage?

    The point is, just because a person teaches this, does not mean I should believe it, this is a heresy, the guy was plainly a heretic….all claims after that were pretty much null and void.

    And of course, history confirmed this point, heretics are losers, they will eventually get their just reward.

  • martin says:

    On the other hand, I see people go the opposite direction and become atheists….

    That is sad. Just because Ron teaches a false god and gets others to believe in a false god that doesn’t mean there is no God.

  • Ellyn says:

    Thank you for all the information .
    Please email me any material that i could use to help my loved one in the group.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    COG-PKG – A LAODICIAN CHURCH

    Revelation 3:14-19 “…Because you say, ‘I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing;’ and don’t know that you are the wretched one, miserable, poor, blind, and naked…”

    How true this is!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ellyn,

    All the information you need is here on this site. Begin with the “criminal case” tab up top and read the government’s opening statement and then read the sentencing order by the judge.

    It proves that weinland statement about a “conspiracy” is another “lie” that flows from his mouth continually!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Extortion: The crime of obtaining money or some other thing of value by the abuse of one’s office or authority.

    Hummmmmmm, Loser weinland convicted on five counts of tax fraud and served prison time and is still extorting money out of his followers –

    It appears that loser weinland “is” an extortioner!!!!!

    “… for the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some have been led astray from the faith in their greed …” 1tim 6:10

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Prove me wrong loser weinland!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    UPDATE:

    I was not planning to post anything here, but the latest drama from our old friend Zerubabel (a luntaic nmaed Michael who borke away from Weinland to declare himself The Second Witness (the first being Jesus himself!). Mihcael is clearly a combination of delusional and maybe schizophenic, and has now built an altar which he triumphantly declares to be “the holiest place on Earth, which he has been describing in his videos like it was some amazing holy site.

    In his latest video “The Place That Yahweh Has Placed His Name” he has finally posted a picture of this most holy altar of Yahweh… and it is hilarious. It is a small set of shelves with a couple of lamps covered by a busted up ramshackle tent that has a ruined tarp over top of it.

    At 11:30 in the video you can see it, and Zerubabel is bemoaning the fact that no one has been brining offferings/tithes (money, food) to him, and becuase of this he cannot afford to repair the tent or buy a properly fitting tarp!! This nutjob is the Great Witess/ nd TIme Elijah, and he IS sitting around crying about his little ruined tent… and GOD CAN’T/WON;T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?!!

    LMAO!! AND YOU GUYS THINK WEINLAND IS A LOSER… go watch Zerubabel’s video and witness the massive FAIL that is Zerubabel’s Great Witness to the world!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa02CoVT9ZY

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    ALSO,

    ZERUBABBEL

    1. can’t afford to fix the tent because he doesn;t have the money.

    2. IS BEHIND ALMOST THREE MONTHS BEHIND RENT ON HIS PROPERTY AND ALSO BEHIND RENT ON A SHED THAT HE LEASES..

    3. SAYS HIS SUPPLIES ARE DWINDLING…

    STAY TUNED…

    .. THE ZERUBABBEL STORY IS STARTING TO REALLY GET INTERESTING…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    and it won’t long and loser weinland will be joining zerubabbel in poverty

  • martin says:

    Zerubabel come off as somebody from an SNL skit.

    Isn’t the altar supposed to be made of stone? And sanctified with blood offerings etc..etc?

    This altar is a shame and an insult to God.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Loser weinland is also a sham and insult to God!

    Loser weinland! Where are you!!!

  • Lynndee says:

    Are those liquor bottles in Zerubabels alter ?

  • martin says:

    I wonder if Zerubabel has any tithers to him?

    Did his wife stay with him? He needs to be committed to an insane asylum.

  • Byker Bob says:

    When it gets to the point where people who take themselves seriously as prophets, witnesses, and apostles are more laughable than satires about such people, you have to ask yourself, can’t these people see what is going on with themselves? Have they no sense of embarrassment? You couldn’t create funnier satirical characters than Zerrubbabel, or Ron Weinland, or the vast majority of the Armstrong splinter leaders, yet because they still preach the sabbath, holydays, tithing, clean meats, and British Israel-based prophecy, people still bankrupt themselves to bankroll these characters! The time and date stamp on this stuff expired in 1975 when God failed to validate Herbert W. Armstrong. We shouldn’t even be talking about 2019! That ship already sunk in ’75, yet some people haven’t been able to get over it.

    BB

  • martin says:

    Zerubbabel threatens those that don’t listen with death…

    Published on May 28, 2016
    This video discusses the Most High’s death sentence (that He gave to us through His servant Moses) that is upon those who do not listen to and do all of that which He tells us to do through His priest and His judge and how He has caused this sentence has flowed into the here and the now.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usYXO6m7D3E&t=1055s

  • martin says:

    Zerubbabel has this way of talking…..it is most annoying.

  • martin says:

    If you REALLY want a good laugh, listen to Zerubbabel’s insane drivel about 96 eggs, and invisible 216 foot wall around his “altar”, and how maybe chickens are unclean.

    This guy should host SNL….he’s hilarious.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The only difference between loser weinland and zerubbabel is that loser weinland is bald headed and wears everyday clothing. They both are off the wall nut cases!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey Loser Weinland!

    Just reviewed your face book pages and they are awful!! Did you get the message? No one is interested in all your falsehoods and deceptions.

    Hey! You need to get a real life loser!!!

    Where are you loser weinland?!!

  • martin says:

    Now that his book is done, what the hell is Ron going to do?

    Sit back and watch tv? What the hell is he doing? Nothing, that’s what.

    I don’t think the real Two Witnesses will be lounging around at some home twiddling their thumbs.

    Ron says it’s up to him to decide when and where to use his so called Witness Powers.

    The guy is a false prophet, that’s why he’s not using his powers, it’s because he has no powers.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    lies lies and more lies

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, the thought I had was this………I thought there was supposed to be an actual 3D copy of the book out there? Not some online diatribe that no one knows about. EIE you’re right, this is a major FAIL as it was meant to be as it’s all based on falsehoods anyway.

    And yet, they’re they sit every week. Listening and hoping that in some way Ron will be right, and thus they’ll be right too.

    So sad to go wasting your life and precious time on something that is never to be. At least in our lifetimes.

  • martin says:

    There will be no physical book, that would mean money out of Ron’s pocket.

    Just think of what this greedy man would have done if 63,000 members started tithing to him….

    His filthy lust for expensive goods would go through the roof, he would have his underwear spun out of golden thread. But he would still be spiritually humble, because, you know, the sack cloth is symbolic not real.

  • martin says:

    Still waiting for the 7,000 splinter people to drop dead, and the 63,000 other splinter people to rush to Ron with open arms and open pocket books and wallets.

    What happened with that prophecy Ron? Nothing happened. Do you know why? It’s because you’re 100% a false prophet.

    I note he doesn’t bring this prophecy up anymore or mention it.

  • Fooled No More says:

    “I note he doesn’t bring this prophecy up anymore or mention it.”

    I’m curious as to how many in PKG might have brought up this very topic, and were quickly “hushed up”. Yeah, that one’s another failure right there too! I had asked questions about it about a year or two before I left, and one of the questions was that how were we going to handle that many people at Feast times??

    The pat answer was “well God will work things out—-we shall see”.

    They’re still waiting for that one…………..sad.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    As I have said before. As time goes by it will expose this loser weinland’s lies. So far, everything this loser has done has failed failed failed!!!

    The membership is desperate for their false leader to step up and prove himself. NOT going to happen people!!

    This loser wienland is not going to go public because of his history that will become an public issue. Loser weinland is a coward and will not step out into the public arena and rant his psycho babble because that could end his scam and that would mean NO MONEY!!!

    I ask this of the pkg membership: PROVE IT!!!!

    Where are you!! Loser weinland!!!

  • martin says:

    I know I’ve brought it up before, but I LAUGH at the notion that Ronald Weinland the false prophet brought up….when he said that FALSE prophecy was a test for people to STAY in PKG.

    HAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

    That has got to be the all time, most moronic thing, anybody has ever said, and yet the PKGers swallowed it whole. What a sham…what a shame! So easily taken, so easily swindled, so easily deceived.

  • martin says:

    Here is how EASILY Ron deceives these people.

    Ron doesn’t say, I made this *official* prophecy. It didn’t happen. I am a false prophet….

    No…he puts the BLAME ON GOD. It’s not Ron’s fault, it’s God’s fault. This heretic is amazing. He’s lucky he isn’t turned to ash right on the spot. It’s not his fault, it’s God changing His mind, and “testing” the people with false prophecies.

    AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aw, this was a really good post. Finding the time and actual effort to produce a really
    good article… but what can I say… I put things off a whole lot
    and don’t seem to get anything done.

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