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		<title>Yet More Prophetic Days to Worry About</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve posted several times about James Malm.  James put out a prophetic timeline involving the 1335 day interval between Trumpets of 2008 and Pentecost of 2012 well before Ron did.  But unlike Ron, he quickly within a day or so of Trumpets acknowledged that it wasn&#8217;t the one.  Then three months ago I posted about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve posted several times about James Malm.  James put out a prophetic timeline involving the 1335 day interval between Trumpets of 2008 and Pentecost of 2012 well before Ron did.  But unlike Ron, he quickly within a day or so of Trumpets acknowledged that it wasn&#8217;t the one.  Then three months ago I posted about James Malm&#8217;s latest <a href="http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/2009/07/23/yet-another-prophetic-date-to-worry-about-oct-19-2009/">prophetic speculation which has today, Oct 19, as a significant day</a>.  I emailed James this weekend to ask:<span id="more-521"></span></p>
<blockquote><p>Hi James:</p>
<p>In our last exchange several months ago, you mentioned that tomorrow, Oct 19, could be significant prophetically.</p>
<p>How soon do you expect to make a determination as to whether this is the case, or that we can breathe easier for another 7 years?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Mike (Don&#8217;t Drink the Flavor Aid)</p>
<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Weinland is now interpreting a &#8220;time&#8221; as mentioned in Daniel 12 as 280 days, not 360.  Perhaps as the arrival of the Great Tribulation continues to delay, he will interpret it as a smaller number.  Do you have any suggestions for prophetically significant numbers he could use?  Seems that 280 is 7 x 40, the number of judgment and mercy.</p></blockquote>
<p>James replied back:  (special note to the Eternally Ignorant One: the indentation and sidebar indicates that the following is a quote.  James wrote it, I did not)</p>
<blockquote><p>Good Morning Mike<br />
I posted this on the Editorial page, on I think Oct 12, because of <a href="http://ambassadorwatch.blogspot.com/2009/10/in-search-of-bobs-thd.html">Robert Thiel</a>&#8216;s attempts to deceive his readers about my position. As I said, it is the nearest possible date.  Right now I am being patient.  There is only a day or so to wait.  I see you acknowledge that.  In my judgement you are more honest and honerable than him.  Thiel&#8217;s new book appears to set the date of 2012.  What is amazing is that he appeals to the pagans for support.  His contempt for the truth and his mixing paganism with Holy Scripture has revealed him to be a false prophet himself.  My view of his new book:<br />
<a href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id131.html" target="_blank">http://www.ashininglight.info/id131.html</a> I am absolutely amazed that the LCG cannot see through this!!!</p>
<p>I present a copy at the 12 Oct post at the bottom of this message.</p>
<p>If something DOES happen, I will NOT rush to judgement. Instead I will take a little time to see how things work out.  I have no intention of abandoning myself to extreme enthusiasm, or vivid imagination as is the manner of some.</p>
<p>If nothing happens, I shall be doing a most thorough restudy to see if there is any possibility that something could still happen before another seven years.  I certainly do not want to fall into that &#8220;my Lord delays His coming&#8221; attitude and go into a coma like the COG Groups.</p>
<p>One of our readers sent me a copy of Weinland&#8217;s new position.  First I will say that his idea that Tkatch was THE final false prophet is utterly false.  The false prophet is to be alive and to be killed by Christ at His coming.  Further he is to decieve the whole world.  I might point out that I believe that Tkatch was <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">A</span></strong> false prophet, just not <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">THE </span></strong>false prophet: and NOT because Tkatch departed from HWA, but because he departed from sound doctrine. R Weinland has also departed both from sound doctrine (Biblicly, and therefore is a false prophet) and also from HWA doctrine  (these two are not always the same thing).  I would like to ask RW: If Tkatch was THE final false prophet for departing from the doctrine of HWA; what does that make Weinland, who also departed from HWA&#8217;s doctrines?  In Weinland&#8217;s case I am thinking of HWA&#8217;s doctrine concerning the pre-existence of Christ</p>
<p>It would take too long to go into here; but the 1,260 days, the time, times and half a time (these times are the TIMES OF THE GENTILES refered to by Christ.  The times of the gentiles are not some vague complicated fantasy as imagined by Hoeh) and the 42 months are used in reference to the same events and therefore refer to the same thing.  A time is not 280 days.</p>
<p>The only suggestion that I can make to Ron Weinland is that; he should be man enough to admit that he is mistaken about being a prophet of God, and humble himself to seek the Eternal with a whole heart. By setting the right example, even at this late date (for his ministry) he might still accomplish some good for his people.  A true prophet of God; would ALWAYS: PUT GOD FIRST.  Even if it meant a little personal embarrassment.</p>
<p>ON the Feast of Tabernacles: Day Two page there is an audio on the signs of the trib and second coming. <a href="http://www.tabernacles.info/id32.html" target="_blank">http://www.tabernacles.info/id32.html</a> We are in the process of transcribing this, to make for easier study and I can alert you when the transcription is up.  It will differ from what you have heard from Weinland and other Groups.</p>
<p>I am sure that you would also be interested in the article on The Wedding Feast &amp; The Resurrection which reveals what the Bible says about going to heaven.  I wish HWA were alive so I could collect his $100,000. <a href="http://www.tabernacles.info/id12.html" target="_blank">http://www.tabernacles.info/id12.html</a></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #632423;">POST of 12 Oct</span></strong><br />
A certain blogger (cogwriter) has written during the past year that &#8220;James Malm has set another wrong date&#8221;   I have lifted this paragraph directly from the article 2009 In Prophecy which was published a year ago.  No part of this paragraph has been changed.  The article is still up at this site.</p>
<p><span style="color: #003300;"><span style="color: #cc0033;">In fact in 2009, counting forward from 19 Oct 1,290 days lands us on the sixth day of Unleavened Bread 1 May 2013.  Counting on another forty-five days brings us to 15 Jun, completing the count on the day BEFORE Pentecost and making Pentecost a true NEW BEGINNING.  The next year that there will be 45 days between the sixth day of ULB and the day <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">before </span></strong>Pentecost does not come again until 2020.  This means that the count must begin in 2009 or it cannot begin for seven more years thereafter.<br />
</span><br />
<span style="color: #000000;">I would ask; how can it be said that I have set the date of 19 Oct?  In fact I was merely pointing out the potential and possibilities.</span> I am not counting on any date as being set in stone.  It is necessary to look for the signs that God has given us.  There is a Message about the Signs of the Tribulation at the Feast site: <a href="http://www.tabernacles.info/id32.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: black;"><span style="color: #cc0000;">Tabernacles: Day Two</span></span></a>.  We must become aware of the signs God has given us and we must be alert and diligently looking for the fulfillment of the Scriptural signs.</span></p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #990000;">IF</span></strong> this is the year for these things to start, then the abomination must be set up on 19 Oct (if my math is correct).  If this is NOT the year, then he will NOT be set up. It is as simple as that. How could anyone misunderstand something so simple?</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #990000;">IF</span></strong> this is the year for these things to begin, then either Benedict XVI will be empowered to do miracles, or someone else will be. The term &#8220;set up&#8221; used in Daniel 12; does not refer to becoming Pope: it refers to being set up as the abomination (that is, to being empowered to do miracles and call for a revival of the Holy Roman Empire).  If someone other than Benedict were to be empowered, he would likely quickly replace Benedict as Pope (Benedict could die or resign).  However the count of 1,335 days begins when the person is empowered.</p>
<p><span style="color: #003300;">This message is getting too long. Please feel free to post this and to add a link to our sites.</span><br />
<span style="color: #003300;"> Most Sincerely   James Malm</span></p></blockquote>
<p>James, <a href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id1.html">here&#8217;s your link</a>.  We&#8217;ll still be waiting for your response, but maybe you&#8217;ll be hanging on to this timeline, given the post that your arch-nemesis  Robert Thiel put up entitled <a href="http://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/pope-benedict-says-european-union-cannot-succeed-without-essentially-catholic-values/">&#8220;Pope Benedict Says European Union Cannot Succeed Without Essentially Catholic Values&#8221;</a>.   I&#8217;ll let the title speak for itself, if you&#8217;re interested you can follow the link to Doctor Bob&#8217;s blog. (Say that three times very quickly).</p>
<p>But even if we get past today OK, there&#8217;s still the <a href="http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm">impending rapture on Wednesday (Oct 21) to worry about</a>.  If you&#8217;re flying that day, call ahead tot he airline to make sure that at least one of the pilots is not a Christian so that you won&#8217;t be stuck in midair without at least one crew member to land you safely.  And if you expect to be raptured and are a pet lover, then you can <a href="http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com/">contract to have an atheist take care of your pet</a> after you are whisked up to heaven.</p>
<p>Update:</p>
<p>James Malm updates &#8220;Today&#8217;s Editorial will provide you with some answers on 19 Oct.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id1.html" target="_blank"><span id="lw_1256046751_0">http://www.ashininglight.info/id1.html</span></a>&#8220;.  This editorial seems to state that the 1335 days did not begin yesterday, but might begin sooner than 7 years?  I didn&#8217;t parse it out.</p>
<p>Meantime, <a href="http://ambassadorwatch.blogspot.com/2009/10/in-search-of-bobs-thd.html">Bob Thiel</a> has <a href="http://www.cogwriter.com/news/cog-news/james-malm-wrong-again-the-1335-days-have-not-begun/">issued his take on it</a> and the bickering between Bob and James about which one is a false prophet continues.</p>
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		<title>Yet Another Prophetic Date to Worry About: Oct 19, 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mike (DDTFA)</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the past I&#8217;ve blogged about James Malm who had a prophetic timeline structured around the same 1335-day interval between Trumpets 2008 and Pentecost 2012 that Weinland is using for his current timeline.  Yesterday, James and Thielogical Bob have had a contretemps going as described on Bob&#8217;s blog and and on James&#8217; website. Malm states [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past I&#8217;ve<a href="http://dontdrinktheflavoraid.blogspot.com/2008/09/all-timelines.html"> blogged about James Malm</a> who had a prophetic timeline structured around the same 1335-day interval between Trumpets 2008 and Pentecost 2012 that Weinland is using for his current timeline.  Yesterday, James and Thielogical Bob have had a contretemps going as described <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cogwriter.com/news/doctrine/james-malm-now-predicts-october-19-2009/">on Bob&#8217;s blog</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id96.html">and on James&#8217; website</a>.</p>
<p>Malm <a href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id9.html">states on his site</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>We therefore expect a religious leader in Europe, to be empowered around 19 Oct 2009 and to call for a new order in Europe.  We would expect that he will do this in the name of PEACE, to provide peacekeepers to enforce the new peace agreement and to maintain world peace by providing a counterbalance to America and the Asiatic powers of Russia and China. This religious leader will become known as a man of peace, a real prince of peace. This new Roman Empire will be made up of ten independent nations with their foreign and military affairs controlled by a single leader.  By whatever title he is called, he will be an emperor.</p></blockquote>
<p>During the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ashininglight.info/id96.html">exchange he had with Bob Thiel</a>, James said to Bob:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am having some impact and soon this <span style="text-decoration: underline;">will increase as these things                                     come to pass</span>.  I am simply offering you the opportunity to be aware of what is happening<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; color: black; font-size: x-small;">.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Also on the same web page, he said about Bob:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am witnessing the truth to him, so that at the appropriate time, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">when he is humbled</span> he will respond.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both of these statements resound with me as being similar to statements Weinland has made in the past.  During the years leading up to the first timeline, Ron kept talking about disasters that would soon occur to give him credibility.  At the end of January, he called a two-day fast so his members could humble themselves before God and beseech him to bring about the thunders to humble the US.</p>
<p>At least James doesn&#8217;t have a following like Ron, and hasn&#8217;t asked them to cash in their life savings to send to him.  And back in October James <a href="http://dontdrinktheflavoraid.blogspot.com/2008/10/one-pair-down-two-to-go.html">promptly admitted his previous timeline was false</a>.  There was a true statement about the future in association with that event:&#8221; Yet somehow I think that we will hear more from Malm in the future.&#8221;  (I&#8217;m the one who made it <img src='http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>James would like to battle it out with Bob over interpretation of scripture, but Bob is dodging that discussion  &#8212; seems James would be better off following Bob&#8217;s own spritual idols Rod Meredith and Herbert Armstrong.  I&#8217;m not going to enter the scriptural fray either.  Too many false prophets have made much of it being so many days between a particular pair of dates &#8212; how many of them have been correct?  James&#8217; prophecy seems to revolve around years with a 46-day interval between Pentecost and the 6th day of Unleavened Bread, which is not exactly a rare event.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s better to assume that a prophet is false unless and until he proves himself true.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let James have the last word on this post (that is until someone adds a comment <img src='http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<blockquote><p>Mike<br />
Of course I believe what I say, or I wouldn&#8217;t say it. I do not make such an effort to say things I do not myself believe.  I am not so deceitful as that.  I do not represent predictions as Holy Writ nor do I claim infallability, nor do I make personal predictions in; the name of the Lord.</p>
<p>If Robert thinks I am a false prophet, then he MUST also admit that Herbert was one; for Herbert declared in the name of the Lord and I do not.</p>
<p>As far as witnessing the truth to him, I was referring to what I said in the correspondence.  This was about Idolatry and self righteousness and was not meant to be about any predictions.</p>
<p>The things I have said directly concerning doctrine and prophetic explanation are solid until proven otherwise.  The only thing in possible doubt for me is timing.  If these things do not happen this year, they will happen in some other year.  The scriptures will be fulfilled. As I said, I do believe what I say until I am proven wrong by events.  I do leave that door open and will acknowledge any error as it is proven.</p>
<p>I realize that I am not perfect and do not possess all knowledge, this is why I never declare any prediction; in the name of the Lord.   Deu 18 refers to speaking:&#8221; in the name of the Lord&#8221; and being presumptuous by declaring that our own thoughts are God&#8217;s Word.  I do not do that.  I make a clear difference between my own positions and what is Holy Scripture.</p>
<p>To be very clear.  At the appointed time, the false prophet will be set up.  He will call for a new order in Europe.  He will succeed within 75 days. A declaration of peace and security (safety) will come toward the end of those 75 days.  Sometime toward the end of those 75 days this false prophet will go to the Holy Mount.  A war will commence resulting in the occupation of Jerusalem and the defeat of Israel and her allies (America is obviously allied with Israel and will not let them go done. The argument about BI is irrelevant.) .  This is all Holy Scripture. It will all happen.  I stand on that because scripture declares it.</p>
<p>When this will happen is open to question.  To me it looks very strongly like it will happen this Autumn.  I am not prepared to state that it will definately happen this autumn.  However if it does not; it WILL DEFINITLY HAPPEN  some other year.</p>
<p>I make no claims for myself.  If you and Robert feel that I am a prophet, albeit a false one; that is your opinion.  I do not consider myself a prophet, either true or false.  I am just a person trying to wake up the brethren and get them thinking and questioning what they have been told. In an attempt to help turn some away from man worship and back toward God.</p>
<p>If I am wrong in thinking that this is the year, it will only prove my point.  Don&#8217;t rely on men, put God first. Only He knows all things.</p>
<div>Sincerely  James Malm</div>
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