False Prophet Ronald Weinland

Since last weekend’s diatribe against Facebook by False Prophet Ronald Weinland, about half of the PKG members with Facebook accounts have deleted them.  I’m not surprised that so many have done this.  Rather, I’m surprised at how few have done so.  Hopefully a few of the holdouts will decide to delete their PKG accounts instead.

As redfox pointed out, False Prophet Rod Meredith’s LCG is taking the opposite approach to Facebook.  From their article:

By posting to your Facebook page a link to an article, telecast, booklet or other item from the Church websites, or by linking to Church material from your blog, your social network comes into greater contact with the Church. Please read the May-June LCN article entitled, Christian Communication in the Information Age, for helpful pointers on the effective use of this media.

In contrast, back on March 15 of last year Ronnie threatened to disfellowship anyone who represented on a social networking site their membership on PKG.  After that sermon, PKGers disappeared from the Internet in droves.

Somehow I prefer False Prophet Ronnie’s approach to Facebook.

How Screwed Up Are You? is the title of  a guest post on the Ambassador Watch blog.  This post was written by Dennis Diehl.  Dennis was formerly a WCG minister but since has “thought differently” about that.  The difference is that Dennis has actually repented, not merely regretted the way Ron does.  I believe that Dennis became a WCG minister about a decade before Ron did but hasn’t made anywhere near as much money from his ministerial career.

Dennis’ post relates to the effects of prophecy on people, whether promoted by “The Spokesman Witness” or one of the other false prophets who resulted from Herbert Armstrong’s own promotions. I recommend clicking on over and reading what Dennis has to say.  And perhaps leave a comment there, although it will be a short while before it shows up as webmaster Gavin has had set up comment moderation to deal with a few whackos who’ve posted there.

In February of last year, a couple who were drinking Weinland’s Flavor Aid at the time started a thread on a forum in New Zealand, posting as “discipleelohim” and “Anticipation of Peace”.  I say “at the time”, because a few months later they come to their senses and departed from PKG.

But the thread continued on with intermittent activity.  A few days ago, one of the forumites there reposted the poem that Kirrily wrote which I posted on Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid.  “ptr775″ immediately responded

I know Kirrily personally, and therefore have a much greater perspective on that situation that you ever will, so so don’t even bother going there.

implying that there is some dark mysterious secret to her departure from PKG.  Makes you wonder what stories Deputy Wayne has been telling.

Kirrily took exception to that, reposting her analysis of “2008 God’s Final Witness“.  To which ptr775 started squawking Ron-speak, accusing her of being “anti-Christ” and other similar statements.  He ended with

These people are using you to spread their hate of the truth, {blather}

My, my.  I’ll bet that ptr775 has a string hanging out of his back, which if pulled and then released will retract slowly into his body as he recites Ron-isms.  If only I did have such powers to influence someone almost half-way around the world.  I could put these powers to lucrative use closer to home.

For the record, I did not tell Kirrily what to write.  It was on her own initiative that she wrote the poem and the other material and offered it to me to publish.   If anyone is being “used”, it is I. Not that I mind — keep up the good work, Kirrily   (as long as you feel the need).

Yesterday, False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke from Minneapolis.  As usual, people came from far and wide to see their spiritual idol.  Ron claims more are being baptized.

This was yet another sermon devoid of false prophecy (all his sermons are devoid of true prophecy).  He did have one aside that was interesting.  Quoting from his sermon beginning at 1 hour and 3 minutes into the version with announcements, Ron is referring to the song “But As For Me, I’ll Call on God“, page 45 in the WCG purple hymnal:

I think about one song that comes to me often, especially within the church.  ‘We walked to God’s house by-side in counsel blended sweet, we did as equals meet.’ It wasn’t a matter of looking down upon others.  There was that friendship there, that camaraderie.

As time has gone on, fewer and fewer are regarded by Ron as his equals.  Starting when he was ordained in 1981 and later rose to pastor rank, experiencing trials getting along with his congregation in Erie.  After a holding period in UCG, he broke away his own congregation and as related on this blog threw off the yoke of the lay church board.  And now he has no equals even among all the other Herblets with their own CoGlets since he is one of the Two Witnesses.  And he has no equal there, since he is the Spokesman of the Two Witnesses.

And then it goes on to tell about betrayal.  And I think about the things that have happened in the church.  Because when people leave God, and they go away from God, betrayal always follows.  Ugliness follows.   That’s why on the web sites out there you’ll find such garbage written toward me, that started toward Mr Armstrong.  And all the filthiness, all the lies, all the garbage that’s written out there…

Ron, Ron, Ron.  I’ve emailed you and asked you to write back and tell me anything I’ve posted that’s incorrect so I can fix it.  Since I haven’t heard anything from you then it must be true.  Starting with the $381,000 price for your mansion on the golf course, and continuing on with everything else.

The people who write so much of that stuff, you know who they are?  They’re people who used to walk to God’s house side-by-side in counsel blended sweet because they used to believe the same thing.  And now they’re filled with bitterness, they’re eaten up inside.

Ron, Ron, Ron.  Who are you talking about?  Dill Weed was never a CoGger, having a  JW background.  And neither was Jack.  And as I’ve explained previously, while you and I might have incidentally walked side-by-side to the big top through the piney woods 39 years ago, it wasn’t in “counsel blended sweet”.   Because while you were drinking HWA’s Flavor Aid by the gallon, I wanted out of there.  The only other poster still actively discussing you is Thielogical Bob, who doesn’t show any more or less of his misplaced arrogance than normal.  And by the way, Herbie is Bob’s spiritual idol too.

Some didn’t understand some of the things I was talking about awhile back when I talked about people being eaten up from the inside out.  In some cases those things happen physically as well.They destroy themselves more and more.  The more they tear apart God and God’s way of life and those who are Gods.

When I was transcribing this, I debated with myself as to whether an apostrophe belongs in the last word.  After considering Ron’s arrogance stating that everything he has is God’s his and teachings such as the sealing of the 144,000,  I decided that the transcription is accurate as I have it to indicate what Ron meant.

So here we get to the good stuff, Ron spiritualizes away his death curse, yet still implying that it has happened physically.  In what cases, Ron?  To whom, Ron?  Ron, we did understand your death curse.  We also understand that your prophecies are physical at the time of declaration.  Later on when they don’t happen, then they become spiritual.

They don’t understand what they do to themselves.  They’re miserably unhappy people.  Just like the demonic world, they’re miserable.  They live in misery.  They like to take their misery out on human beings because they hate human beings.  They truly do.  They like to see human beings suffer.

Now Jack has weighed in on his state of mind and it’s the opposite of what you state.  Dill Weed doesn’t seem miserable either.  And I’m rather happy, because indications are that you’ve lost a tithe slave.  Roger from Australia was about to join your group but decided to check into things and looked at my web site.  Perhaps he looked at my page showing all the failed prophecies in “2008 God’s Final Witness” started by Kirrily, yet another ex-tithe-slave.  I hope even more will do the same.  As I continue to mock Ron with every post I write, now 32 weeks after he issued his physical death curse against me.

In the past I’ve blogged about James Malm who had a prophetic timeline structured around the same 1335-day interval between Trumpets 2008 and Pentecost 2012 that Weinland is using for his current timeline.  Yesterday, James and Thielogical Bob have had a contretemps going as described on Bob’s blog and and on James’ website.

Malm states on his site:

We therefore expect a religious leader in Europe, to be empowered around 19 Oct 2009 and to call for a new order in Europe.  We would expect that he will do this in the name of PEACE, to provide peacekeepers to enforce the new peace agreement and to maintain world peace by providing a counterbalance to America and the Asiatic powers of Russia and China. This religious leader will become known as a man of peace, a real prince of peace. This new Roman Empire will be made up of ten independent nations with their foreign and military affairs controlled by a single leader.  By whatever title he is called, he will be an emperor.

During the exchange he had with Bob Thiel, James said to Bob:

I am having some impact and soon this will increase as these things come to pass.  I am simply offering you the opportunity to be aware of what is happening.

Also on the same web page, he said about Bob:

I am witnessing the truth to him, so that at the appropriate time, when he is humbled he will respond.

Both of these statements resound with me as being similar to statements Weinland has made in the past.  During the years leading up to the first timeline, Ron kept talking about disasters that would soon occur to give him credibility.  At the end of January, he called a two-day fast so his members could humble themselves before God and beseech him to bring about the thunders to humble the US.

At least James doesn’t have a following like Ron, and hasn’t asked them to cash in their life savings to send to him.  And back in October James promptly admitted his previous timeline was false.  There was a true statement about the future in association with that event:” Yet somehow I think that we will hear more from Malm in the future.”  (I’m the one who made it )

James would like to battle it out with Bob over interpretation of scripture, but Bob is dodging that discussion  — seems James would be better off following Bob’s own spritual idols Rod Meredith and Herbert Armstrong.  I’m not going to enter the scriptural fray either.  Too many false prophets have made much of it being so many days between a particular pair of dates — how many of them have been correct?  James’ prophecy seems to revolve around years with a 46-day interval between Pentecost and the 6th day of Unleavened Bread, which is not exactly a rare event.

It’s better to assume that a prophet is false unless and until he proves himself true.

I’ll let James have the last word on this post (that is until someone adds a comment )

Mike
Of course I believe what I say, or I wouldn’t say it. I do not make such an effort to say things I do not myself believe.  I am not so deceitful as that.  I do not represent predictions as Holy Writ nor do I claim infallability, nor do I make personal predictions in; the name of the Lord.

If Robert thinks I am a false prophet, then he MUST also admit that Herbert was one; for Herbert declared in the name of the Lord and I do not.

As far as witnessing the truth to him, I was referring to what I said in the correspondence.  This was about Idolatry and self righteousness and was not meant to be about any predictions.

The things I have said directly concerning doctrine and prophetic explanation are solid until proven otherwise.  The only thing in possible doubt for me is timing.  If these things do not happen this year, they will happen in some other year.  The scriptures will be fulfilled. As I said, I do believe what I say until I am proven wrong by events.  I do leave that door open and will acknowledge any error as it is proven.

I realize that I am not perfect and do not possess all knowledge, this is why I never declare any prediction; in the name of the Lord.   Deu 18 refers to speaking:” in the name of the Lord” and being presumptuous by declaring that our own thoughts are God’s Word.  I do not do that.  I make a clear difference between my own positions and what is Holy Scripture.

To be very clear.  At the appointed time, the false prophet will be set up.  He will call for a new order in Europe.  He will succeed within 75 days. A declaration of peace and security (safety) will come toward the end of those 75 days.  Sometime toward the end of those 75 days this false prophet will go to the Holy Mount.  A war will commence resulting in the occupation of Jerusalem and the defeat of Israel and her allies (America is obviously allied with Israel and will not let them go done. The argument about BI is irrelevant.) .  This is all Holy Scripture. It will all happen.  I stand on that because scripture declares it.

When this will happen is open to question.  To me it looks very strongly like it will happen this Autumn.  I am not prepared to state that it will definately happen this autumn.  However if it does not; it WILL DEFINITLY HAPPEN  some other year.

I make no claims for myself.  If you and Robert feel that I am a prophet, albeit a false one; that is your opinion.  I do not consider myself a prophet, either true or false.  I am just a person trying to wake up the brethren and get them thinking and questioning what they have been told. In an attempt to help turn some away from man worship and back toward God.

If I am wrong in thinking that this is the year, it will only prove my point.  Don’t rely on men, put God first. Only He knows all things.

Sincerely  James Malm