False Prophet Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke yesterday from the Netherlands, on his second trip there during this year of Great Tribulation.  Ron delivered the sermon standing up instead of sitting as he normally does.  He described the TV program on Canada’s Vision TV network Friday night featuring the false prophet, including a post-presentation interview during which it came out that at the End it would be Ron Vs the pope.

Ron reiterated that he is both an apostle AND a prophet.  He is in rarefied company with the only other person in history having held both titles being John.  Ron spent some time defining the difference between the two roles.   An apostle reveals new doctrines, which Ron did during the 2005 feast with his origin-of-Christ doctrine.  A prophet — well a prophet prophesies.

Ron took some time to mention his critics, calling us vultures and mockers picking on him.  Which isn’t happening to other groups.  Well Ron, none of the other splinters has put out a specific date.  None of the other splinters is headed by someone claiming to be an End-Time Witness.  And none of the other splinters is headed by someone under criminal investigation.

The presence of “vultures” is a proof of PKG as the true church.  We’re doing this because we were put out of the church.  This is simply not true, at least not in my case.  I was not put out of the church.  Nor were any of Ron’s other critics as far as I know.

He again cautioned his followers against websites like mine.  Or listening to a relative who will point out websites like mine or any other website critical of him  He responded to an article posted on MSNBC and other websites during the last week or so which reads:

According to God’s Church minister Ronald Weinland, the end times were upon us — again. His 2006 book “2008: God’s Final Witness” stated that hundreds of millions of people will die, and by the end of 2006, “there will be a maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be plunged into the worst time of all human history. By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, and no longer exist as an independent nation.” As the book noted, “Ronald Weinland places his reputation on the line as the end-time prophet of God.”

This was characterized as “feces”. Think of all the thunders, like a downpour in the UK that caused some flooding.  Ron, shame on you.  As a witness you were supposed to stop it from raining.  It turns out that the US is not an independent nation because we trade with other nations and send ambassadors to them.  I thought this was always the case, but I must have been imagining what is only a recent development.  The world is in the worst time of all human history, we’re just not aware of it yet.  Things that didn’t happen in his book don’t make the book false.

Ron took a trip down memory lane, repeating his claim of having resigned from UCG on Pentecost of 1997 (June 15 that year) which contradicts his own writings of 1998 that the resignation had been on May 30, 1997.  Not only does Ron reinvent the future as circumstances require, he does the same with the past. Then he talked about his “Newswatch” periodical published intermittently during 1998 through 2002, and his two booklets “Time is Running Out” and “Time has Run Out”.  Ending with his latest book which his father-in-law Carroll Short encouraged him to write as he was dying of liver cancer.  Ron wrote all of this material despite hating to write and not being good at the English language.  He failed to mention Larry Spivey who spent a lot of time and suffered a lot of abuse editing his prose.

The Great Tribulation will be less than 2 1/2 years but will come to pass.  He warned against interpreting his prophetic writings in “2008 – God’s Final Witness” in a literal physical way — it will all come to pass in its time. Being written in a prophetic manner makes it hard to understand his books. Stay tuned for Ron to provide the interpretation as the process develops.  He acknowledged that the timing of events has changed, because of the 50th truth, but insists that it’s all going to come true in God’s time.

Ron has practically given up on prophesying because he doesn’t have the foggiest notion what’s going to happen next as God hasn’t revealed it to him.  It will be revealed to him at the same time it’s revealed to the rest of us — when it happens.  He hasn’t called down any plagues or stopped the rain.  Nor have his death curses had any effect as I’m still alive 48 weeks later after he issued one against me. Some witness!!! Ron, I think God fired you and forgot to send you a pink slip.

Tonight (Friday Night) at 11:30 Eastern time, the Canadian network Vision TV is broadcasting False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s ideaCity performance.  But I must disagree with the PG rating  And the Spokesman Witness was featured in this article in the Dayton Daily News.

According to reliable sources, the end of the world is coming on May 27, 2012. Or, on a much more optimistic note, Dec. 12, 2012.

The earlier prediction is from Ronald Weinland, a northern Kentucky minister who, according to his own modest confession, was made a prophet by God in 1997. Prior to becoming a prophet, God had made him a salesman in the petrochemical industry.

The article seems to have been researched on my Ronald Weinland Biography page.  The Sixth Thunder (growing recognition of Weinland as a prophet) is increasing in volume as amplified by this article.

And thanks to this post on Ambassador Watch, the Sixth Thunder has also rumbled a little louder on this blog from all the referrals sent my way.  Thanks to Gavin for featuring me.  And thanks to an anonymous wag commenting over there for finding this prophetic picture.  Will this prophecy turn out like Ron’s do? Or will it come true?

In Kirrily’s recent article hosted back on Don’t Drink the Flavor Aid, she stated:

I won’t speak for Mike, but I believe that if everything had indeed occurred as Ron said they would, that Mike would have believed that Ron was who he said he was!

I can speak for Mike, and here’s what I say:

Ron published his book “2008 — God’s Final Witness” in November of 2006. Let’s pretend that the following events had taken place between that publication date and early April of 2008 when I began this blog:

• A terrorist event here in the US exceeding that of September 11.
• Multiple earthquakes in the US exceeding those of the 1989 San Francsisco earthquake and the 1994 Los Angeles Northridge earthquake.
• Multiple weather events effecting the US each of which exceeded the damage of Hurricane Katrina.
• An economic problem exceeding that which later came to a head in September of 2008.
• The deaths of certain CoG ministers: Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, David Pack, and John Ritenbaugh. (Yes, I’m aware of some of these individuals, and even played with Meredith’s son as a child.)
• A sustained death rate of celebrities and notables far exceeding those of late June and early July.
• A major pandemic exceeding the current swine flu pandemic and rivaling that of 1918/1919.
• The appearance of Ron and Laura on major TV news magazine shows such as “60 Minutes” and “20-20″, or at least a serious article in a magazine like Times or Newsweek.
• A noticeable religious movement rejecting the trinity doctrine and going further to reject Jesus as having eternally existed, reserving that status for Yahweh Elohim alone.

Let’s say all of the above had happened to fulfill Ronald Weinland’s Seven Thunders prophecies. Or that similar events of the same order of magnitude had occurred except that the 5 specific ministers had still died. In that case, I might have remained skeptical as to whether Ron and Laura were the Two Witnesses, but would not have started a blog mocking the False Prophet and False Prophetess. After all, my first post following the introductory post was to debunk his Second Thunder.

And let’s say the following occurred after April 17th, 2008:

• The Pope began making political overtures to nations of the United States of Europe, particularly Germany
• During the seven weeks following 4/17/08, vegetation in the US began a massive die-off for some reason, with concurrent animal deaths as their habitat was destroyed, to fullfil Ronnie’s First Trumpet prophecy as prophesied on Weinland’s blog.
• Bob Thiel of cogwriter.com and Gavin Rumney of Ambassador Watch announced the ending of their blogs due to health reasons, or even simply stopped updating them, indicating that Ron’s curses against his mockers were effective.

Then I would have had to admit the possibility that Ron and Laura were indeed the two witnesses, that their curses against their mockers were effective, and that their prophecies were true. And if these events had been followed up with specific weather events declared in advance by Ron and Laura and “nukular” detonations in US port cities by mid-July of last year, then I’d have had no choice but to admit that Ron and Laura were indeed the Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11. Perhaps I would include myself in the hordes joining their church and be a part of the tithe of the third of the US population or 10 million people to survive the remaining trumpets and live on into the new age.

But absolutely none of this happened. Not even close. Let’s say that world events had gone on exactly as they actually have, but that in Weinland-land some events were different. And that I had started my blog as I did in April of 2008.

Let’s say that on June 8, 2008 (Pentecost) Ron had honored his “If by Pentecost” declaration of March 29, 2008 and announced that, since the effects of the First Trumpet were not powerfully and abundantly clear, he was turning over that day’s church services to either of his evangelists Wayne Matthews or Johnny Harrell. Also that his replacement backed off from any prophetic declarations or characterizations of the Weinlands as the Witnesses.

And let’s say that by July 31, Ronald Weinland had declared that he was indeed a False Prophet, apologizing to the members of his church for misleading them, and announcing that he would be resigning as the head of “the Chuch of God, Inc.” by September 1, 2008 with his only official acts being those necessary to facilitate a smooth, legal transition to his successor.

If all of this alternative scenario had happened, I would still have started my blog in April of last year as I did. But my blogging would have tapered off in June of last year after he quit preaching. And by July I would have shut down my blog without publishing the photos of his $381,000 mansion on a golf course. Nor would I have publicized the existence of the IRS criminal investigation of Ronald Weinland. And if you think that’s “no big deal”, then google “IRS Criminal Investigation” and see how many other specific criminal investigations are mentioned at all, while Weinland’s is mentioned twice in the first 3 pages of results. Ron, you are truly a unique individual.

Ron, if your prophecies had been true, then I wouldn’t be blogging. Or if you had been true to your word, I wouldn’t be blogging either. Either way, Ron, it’s all your fault.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland has just posted an open letter on his blog to Moses Znaimer of ideaCity. Here is a copy of it:

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This is the letter I sent to Moses on the 21st of July:

Dear Moses,

It is with genuine gratitude that I want to thank you for the opportunity to have been a presenter at ideaCity. Long before the actual event, I was receiving very positive and helpful communication from your staff. Once my wife and I arrived in Toronto, we began to meet more of your staff members who were also exceptionally helpful, friendly, and enthusiastic. Then, on the first morning, we had the opportunity to meet even more staff members who continued with that same excellent helpfulness, care, and concern for our presence at the conference.

My purpose in writing to you is twofold. First, I wanted to thank you and your staff for making us feel so very welcome. Secondly, I must tell you why I could not return after the first morning of presentations.

The first few presenters were interesting, thought provoking, and they tied in well together, even with part of what I addressed in my presentation. Everything was fine to this point. I understand offering diverse thoughts and opinions, as with the gentleman who followed my presentation who espoused the belief, through intellectualism, that “God never wrote a book” and how he believed in the fallacy of what was written in scripture. As God’s prophet for this end-time, I know such ignorance is all too plentiful on earth. [Weinland is speaking of the ignorant Tom Harpur, author of "The Pagan Christ"]

However, a couple of presentations later, you gave the stage to a man who was “supposedly” a comedian, but sadly, the content of his message was so revolting, perverted and blasphemous that I found it incredulous that you would have given such recognition to something so hideous. For me, this is one of the most distasteful experiences I have ever had in my whole life. It is not my purpose to pass judgment on you, but to explain to you why I found this presentation so harmful to what I had believed was a more noble purpose for ideaCity. [Speaking of Rick Miller]

Perhaps you could try to put yourself in my shoes for just a moment. Indeed, as I said in my presentation, I do not expect you or that audience to believe I am God’s end-time prophet.

However, I would think that you might at least consider that I am very sincere about the warning I gave and that I have a deep conviction and passion about the message I delivered. Having said this, I would think that you might then understand that what I experienced (and hopefully, a few others might have experienced) was one of shock and dismay that ideaCity would allow such a presentation to be given. Tolerance and diversity do have their limits in life, even in this world.

There is no example I can give to reveal the magnitude of what this was like, but consider what it might be like if I had a brother, and he was one who was known for his tireless efforts to promote peace, give monetary aid, and influence the promotion of medical assistance to underdeveloped nations (due to his great wealth, political influence, and known humanitarianism). In time, my brother was murdered by terrorists and then drug through the city behind a jeep until only some few bones and flesh remained. Then, a few months later, ideaCity hosts a comedian who mocks the death of my brother while I am in the audience. Jesus Christ is my brother and you sponsored a comedian who mocked his death in front of me.

Out of conviction and conscience toward my brother and Father, I could not return in the afternoon, nor could I participate in anything further that would show any kind of support for ideaCity. To me, participation of any kind after that would have meant I was condoning what was presented.

Since I have no idea about your beliefs, I do want to say that the Eternal God, the God of Abraham, who I spoke about in my presentation, does not take this event lightly. This is not a small thing that such mocking of His Son was given audience at ideaCity and that you personally sponsored this. It is my hope that you come to see the magnitude of the severity of your decision for what occurred and that you will pursue God’s mercy in this matter because of what it will mean to you personally if you fail to do so.

Most sincerely,
Ronald Weinland

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Ronnie doesn’t allow commenting on his blog. But I do, and this is your opportunity to comment on Ronnie’s fatwa.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in San Jose today.  The attendance there was enhanced by people who traveled long distances to be there, as had a couple of the San Jose area who’d traveled to Los Angeles several weeks earlier.  Never pass up a chance to see the End-Time Witnesses doing their jobs live and in person.  Despite the extra attendance, Ron had to give his own closing prayer.

Since this was another sermon devoid of prophecy, we’ll discuss Ronald’s appearance at ideaCity a month ago.  He started his presentation with a warning:

Some of the things I have to say are extremely controversial and I in no means want to offend anyone. But the things I have to say sometimes are taken that way.  And the message I have is not a pleasant one.  It is toward the end if you understand, but it isn’t toward the beginning.

And I do have great passion about what I’m going to be speaking about, indeed.  And I hope that you will take away from this meeting things that you hear today because I don’t expect you to believe what you’re going to be hearing at this point in time.  But there are things going to take place very shortly now where when they begin to take place, I hope that these things will come back into your mind, the things that you hear here today.

As I was going through the biographies of those who are going to be presenters here,  One of the things that struck me quickly was in the bio for myself, where it said that I am an “armageddon forecaster”  A forecaster is one who predicts events for the future. [Ron blathers about Daniel]

There hasn’t been a prophet come to the world for nearly 2000 years now.  But I am just that.  I don’t expect you to believe it, but I am an end-time prophet. And sent with a very strong message, one that I would even ask that at the end of this that you not applaud.  Because it’s not a thing to applaud, what I’m going to be telling you.

[Ron spends several minutes babbling about the Hubble telescopes, billions of light years, etc]

We are now in a period of time at the end of 6000 years, that God has given to mankind to rule himself. [Spends several minutes discussing empires, governments, etc]

God has an incredible plan for mankind and we are now at that time where he is going to reveal more of it to us.  We have already started a period of time called the great tribulation, or a time of tribulation on the earth.  It’s already begun, especially in the United States, and people don’t see it yet.  It’s a time referred to in both the old and the new testament as “time, times, and half a time”, 1260 days, 3 and ½ years.  And it’s marked by some horrific things that are going to take place.  Because billions are going to die.  It’s not a pleasant thing to think about.  It’s not a pleasant thing to think that could even happen.  But God is going to reveal and show to mankind once and for all that we cannot govern ourselves.

[Expounds on technology]  God gave technology….. billions are going to die

We are at a time,  the end time.  The next great thing to happen is going to take place is in port cities, in some port cities in the US there will be nukular weapons that go off. That will be the time for you to bring back into your memory and to your mind the things that you’re finding very hard to believe here today.  That’s called the 2nd trumpet, and the 7th seal has already been opened.  [I'm sure that explained things to everyone -- 2nd this and 7th that.]

The first trumpet is about a beginning demise in the United States and the economy of the United States.  [Ron should have read the book "2008 God's Final Witness" which states: "When we are told that a third of all plant life will be destroyed, that is exactly what it means."] And you in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, western Europe, most of the world frankly, in great ways are tied into the greenback, the dollar.  …. This is the end.  …. and if God didn’t intervene when it’s all said and done, we would destroy ourselves.  … And the stock market, one day it’s going to crash, finally.  … The United States is prophesied to be the first great nation to fall.  As I heard the song here today “Oh Canada”, I had to look down at the floor.  Because I know, I believe with all my being, I know what’s going to come to pass, and I know the outcome of Canada.  And it hurts.  It hurts.  [It's the economy, stupid.]

There’s coming a time very rapidly here, when we come up to a time that’s referred to as the 5th trumpet.   And Europe is prophesied for the 7th time to have a great revival, called the Holy Roman Empire.  The 6th was during the time of Mussolini and Hitler.   The seventh is quickly coming.   Same countries as a whole, same ones involved again: Germany.

[blathers about British Israelism] we’re brothers

Because God is going to use the same nation, Germany, who are the ancient Assyrians to do again what they did before.  There are going to be ten nations that are prophesied to arise out of Europe who are going to be given great power, once again, one last time, on the earth.  And they’re going to do it because they’re going to see the demise of the United States, a vacuum that takes place.  And they’re going to do it for different reasons than what Hitler did because they feel they have to do this in order to stop a great breakdown in all things taking place throughout Europe. So they’re prophesied to rise once again here, and do the things that they do and start WW III.

They do it again, because going back in time [blathers more about British Israelism, which was humorous to some.]

China and Russia and the far east, it says they have a year and a month and a day that they prepare to confront them.  And they begin to take their pieces in the world, in South America and Africa and other places.  … And they engage Europe.  And it says they’re going to destroy a third of all human life.

And that brings us up to the time of Armageddon a few months later down the road.   ….  And those nations instead of engaging in a nuclear war…   He intervenes on that last day, because they come together in an area called Megiddo, … a time called Armageddon, …. and he destroys all the armies that are there from Europe, all the armies from Asia, and so forth.  And also their governments and their countries. And finally the good news.  The one who is Messiah, the one who is called the Christ.  …. He takes control.  He is in charge of that great army that destroys all those that are come together in Megiddo.

Because Weinland had spent most of his 20 minutes blathering about billions of light years and British Israelism (listing the modern day nations of Israel more than once), he did not have time to explain the imposition of God’s kingdom and the wonderful world tomorrow.  Instead, he ended with “Time is Up”, leaving the good news as about yet more destruction.

This would be the largest live audience Weinland has spoken to at least since Feasts of Tabernacles during the glory days of WCG.  If you count people listening in via electronic connections, still larger (ideaCity also provided electronic connections, with video to boot.)  Unlike reports that Ron sits when speaking these days, he did stand but it was only 20 minutes.The audience was silent during his presentation, and despite his earlier request gave him polite applause despite what they were thinking, such as a twitterer who tweated:

ronald weinland at #ideacity09 is a nutjob. crazy buzzkill.

There might also have been some reaction the mike didn’t pick up.  According to an article on the site:

One man, who was convinced that sharks are the most misunderstood of all species, predicted that by 2048 our oceans will be lifeless. And then humans will begin to eat each other. But that was OK because another man proved that the Bible says the world will end on May 27, 2012. One wag actually cried out: “What time?”

One person whose time is not up is myself, still criticizing and mocking a false prophet 30 weeks after he cursed me with a speedy death.