False Prophet Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland made yet another public appearance today following his last public appearance in front of adoring church members in the UK prior to Christ’s returns this coming Saturday at sundown in Jerusalem.  Today’s appearance was before a less friendly audience in US Federal Court.  Accompanying Ronnie was his attorney, Robert C. Webb of the Frost Brown Todd law firm in Lexington, KY.  The criminal trial remains set for June 4 with jury selection to begin after 9:30 AM.

Both the government attorney and Ronnie’s attorney filed motions in limine.  A “motion in limine” is one at the start of the preceding and these motions were filed asking the the court to prevent the opposing party from using particular witnesses or testimony.  The parties have until Friday to settle issues or file additional motions for a possible hearing next week on Wednesday.

Ronnie’s attorney filed the following motions:

• to disallow the IRS special agent who investigated the case to testify as a summary witness as she could actually testify as an expert witness, and furthermore to exclude her testimony as an expert witness on the technicality that the government did not identify her as such before the deadline.
• to prevent the government from using Ronnie’s unconventional and unusual religious views to impeach any witness’s testimony
• to prevent the government from using PKG members or other lay witnesses to identify expenditures made by Weinland

One of those PKG members who might be asked to testify is Johnny Harrell.  Rumor has it that the IRS is investigating Johnny’s and Myrtle’s taxes for the past several years.  And Johnny likely was the other signatory on Ronnie’s Swiss bank accounts which if so would mean that he would have been required to file an annual report on those accounts with the government.

The government also had motions:

• to exclude the expert testimony of a former IRS special agent pointing out that his knowledge was obsolete, having retired in 1999 following the filing of an EEOC complaint coincidentally filed by the case special agent against him as he was her supervisor at the time
• to exclude the testimony of an expert witness as to the fair market value of the church office space in Ronnie’s home on the golf course.  Seems Ronnie has already deducted the cost of his home as a parsonage and the the government is not going along with this attempt at double dipping
• to exclude the testimony of an expert witness as to the fair market value of Jeremy Weinland’s services to the church maintaining the church website
• to exclude the audio recording of the sermon Ronnie delivered in December of 2002 as evidence of the Swiss bank accounts were church and not personal accounts.

There were some gems inside the filings.  Such as this statement about Ronnie’s kids: “Financial documents demonstrate the Defendant paid for some of the living expenses of his adult children and was reimbursed by the church. Jeremy’s educational expenses, a luxury automobile, and other expenses were paid, in part, in this manner.” There was a mention of church members employed by the church: “In addition, the United States is aware of other persons who performed computer, website, and book related services. Those persons were volunteers, except for the W-2 church employees (Ronald Weinland, Steve Dalrymple, and Audra Little). In 2008, the church paid Gregg Chris as a contractor to provide information technology services.”  That would actually be Greg Chipps, although I thought he was a full-time employee with the princely salary of $36,000/year.  Seems Ronnie did a little creative maneuvering after the IRS opened its investigation:  “The church did issue Jeremy a 1099 that is dated in March 2009 for $16,835.00. This document, like the 1040 the Defendant filed in 2010 for the 2008 year and the 1040X the Defendant filed in 2011, may be evidence of the Defendant’s consciousness of guilt, but it has no bearing on the Defendant’s attempts to evade his tax liabilities in 2008. The 1099 issued to Jeremy was provided in reciprocal discovery. Jeremy, however, lives in Germany and there is no other reliable information that Jeremy was providing contract services to the church in 2008 or at any other time.”

The content of the motions was less significant than the nature of the response.  On January 14, Ronnie stated:

I know we believe that but sometimes people are put to the test as to whether they really believe it, because if you really believe it then you live by it, truly. Think of something I heard this past week that’s… I don’t know if there are very many, but in one particular case, some even ordained, making comment they’re saving certain funds aside in case Jesus Christ doesn’t return on May 27th. I am astounded at such a comment! I am dumbfounded by such a comment! And I think… “What are we holding back and why would we hold anything back? Do we believe this with all of our being, because if we don’t we need to bring ourselves into check and examine ourselves and go back to the sermon we heard at the end of the Feast!” How can you represent God’s way of life? How can you be a part of something so great, so awesome and have such mighty reservations in your mind?

So tell us Ronnie, how much did you hold back to pay your talented law firm to file all those motions for you?  How much did you hold back to pay your expert witnesses?  After all, your trial doesn’t start until June 4, well after you become a member of Elohim.  I am astounded that you would do that.  I am dumfounded that you would do that.

Update: Since making this posting, I see that the Cincinnati Enquirer has an article on the topic, similar to this one.  There ya go Bob and Dixon, you can quote that source so you don’t have to mention mine.

Here we are just 17 days before Ron Weinland’s elder brother Jesus returns to kick rear ends and take names with 7 vials of plagues to be poured out on those who survive World War 3.  Let’s take stock of where we are right now with respect to Ron’s prophecies.

• Thunders 1 through 4: It’s been pretty much the normal pace for disasters, the only one which has even slightly come true is the economy, though we haven’t experienced a global economic collapse.  FAIL!!
• Thunder #5:  We haven’t had a massive die-off within the competing CoGs.  None of the 5 ministers scheduled to die early on to prove Ron as a true prophet of God have obliged by taking a dirt nap, even though he called on that to happen early in 2007.  And one of them, Dave Pack, runs Google ads on searches for Ron’s name attempting to harvest Ron’s disaffected followers.  Other than Michael Jackson and a few minor celebrities back in 2009, we haven’t had an increase in the deaths of notables.  Nor have we experienced the epidemics that Ron prophesied.  FAIL, FAIL, and FAIL.
• Thunder #6:  There is no growing recognition of Ron as prophet.  Despite advertising his availability for interviews in December, he only had one on a small market radio station.  Ron now says the interviews won’t happen until after Christ returns.  FAIL
• Thunder #7: With Ron’s abysmal failures on the first 6 trumpets, recognition of his god isn’t gaining much traction.  FAIL
• Trumpet #5:  Ron prophesied the downfall of the US by the fall of 2008 and certainly by the summer of 2009.  Then he delayed it until August of last year.  In the spring of 2011 he prophesied 40 weeks of judgment on the US.   When the beast power didn’t arise by January, he had to rewrite the Bible to allow the 5 months of torment to precede the 5th trumpet which he has delayed until the last hour before Christ returns.  How many FAILS is that?
• Tithe of the third:  Ron went on an ordaining spree starting at the end of 2009 to hang onto his members, promising them opportunities to baptize millions of people whom he prophesied to join PKG by the end.  They haven’t shown up nor have the 3000 ex-WCG members he prophesied.  Now he says this won’t happen until after Christ returns.  FAIL
• Ron issued a death curse on his mockers to suffer a slow death from the inside.  Then he reissued the death curse calling on his mockers to suffer a speedy death from the inside.  When that didn’t happen, he attempted to spiritualize it saying we suffered internal torment.  Ummm FAIL and………… FAIL!!!!!

Now somewhere, Ron must have prophesied something that would come true.  And I believe he did!!!  He prophesied that there would be mockers.  PASS!!!  The only prophecies that come true are the ones the mockers make come true.

During his sermon this past weekend at which he drank water to rehydrate after a big breakfast while the rest of PKG was fasting, False Prophet Ronald Weinland said:

So again I think about-ah-some of those things. Just toss it out there a little bit, just a little bit. Because I think it’s coming in time, that there are things about the two witnesses that aren’t going to happen the way we thought they were going to happen.

So what could be these things about the two witnesses that aren’t going to happen?  Let’s look in “2008 — God’s Final Witness”:

[pg 89] God is revealing that some will hate these two witnesses so much that they will try to do them bodily harm, even trying to kill them.

I’m not aware of anyone who’s tried to harm or kill either Ron or Laura, or even giving them the bitch-slapping they deserve.

[pg 89 again] Whatever the two witnesses pronounce will come to pass.

During December of 2008, Ron reissued death curses against his mockers, and yet over 3 years later there is no evidence of any of us dying.  Any available evidence indicates the opposite, which the very existence this blog is.

[pg 89 yet again] They will be given power beyond that which Moses was given when he led the Israelites out of Egypt. They, too, will be able to turn the waters to blood. They will be able to close up the heavens so that it will not rain on any area they choose. They will have power to call all manner of plagues upon any part of the earth as often as they choose.

No waters turned to blood.  No droughts resulting from their pronouncements.  No plagues of any sort called down by them. Only a bunch of nonsense on Ron’s blog that he doesn’t mention. Now, where is that super-Moses power?

[pg 91] The Seven Thunders have much to do with how God will reveal His two witnesses. These thunders serve as a prelude to the final tribulation and the greater manifestation of the two witnesses.

Ummm, thunders?  What thunders?  Besides the thunders only PKG members have eyes to see and ears to hear.

[pg 101-102] ….God has left for me to determine as one of His end-time witnesses, who will be given far greater power to pronounce plagues “as often as they will” (Revelation 11:6) in order to help humble mankind so they will repent and turn to God.

Ron, time is getting short — 7  weeks until you die.  You need to get on the stick and pronounce a few plagues to humble us.

[pg 109, speaking of the 6th thunder] The growing manifestation of proof that I am God’s end-time prophet and that I am the spokesman of His two end-time witnesses is a thunder that will become powerfully stronger all the way up until the very return of Jesus Christ.

Really?  Powerfully strong, huh? In which case there must have been hundreds and thousands of people in the listening area of that small AM station in Maryland on which you interviewed a few weeks ago — right?

[pg 109] Radio and television interviews will become more the norm as curiosity, news, controversy, and fear increase in proportion to the growing intensity of these thunders.

And you didn’t need to advertise yourself for that interview, did you?  Ron?  Did you?

[pg 131]God’s two witnesses will be viewed by others (who will hate their message about God) as being responsible for their suffering. The two witnesses will be bringing plagues upon the nations of these two superpowers in order to humble them, but they will not be humbled.

Name one specific plague or natural disaster which you have predicted.  So what are you waiting for?

But here we have the last thing about the two witnesses that won’t happen the way “we” thought it would:

[pg 22] These two prophets of God will complete the work that God has given them to do, then they will be killed in the streets of Jerusalem. Their bodies will remain in the streets of Jerusalem for three and one-half days while the world watches via television.

When Ron spiritualizes the upcoming deaths of himself and his tame second witness, are you going to buy it?

False Prophet Ronald Weinland put up some new timeline charts on his website.  Here is a picture of one of them.

Looking them over, I was reminded of the chart he put up after the 2009 feast.  So I took another look at the older chart.  Of particular interest was the phrase on that chart”(toward the end of this Sabbath day” in reference to Joe Senior’s December 17, 1994 sermon which I must have had in mind in my January 15 posting where I pointed out that the sun had set in Jerusalem by 9:38 AM Eastern Time on that day.  In other statements, such as his latest chart he has used the phrase “to the hour” or “to the very hour” in comparing the time-of-day of Joe’s apostasy to the time-of-day of his death.  Weinland criticized my  9:38 AM sunset time in his February 18 sermon:

I was told of one thing that somebody had written at one point out there.  Totally foolish, backward, ignorant.  They tried to go back and … someone that not of the church <snorts derisively> .. but trying to go back and say “Well it’s like he can’t tell time because sundown on that year that .. he did this apostasy at sundown at a certain time in Jerusalem, and huh huh huh.  They’re way off because it was a certain time of day, and that couldn’t at be at the same hour.”

Totally missed the mark.  How could you be so backward?  How could you not hear?  Anyway, it’s about when he returns.  Do you understand what I’m saying?  It’s not about the day that that happened.  Being the same time in Jerusalem.  That it’s we’re talking about to the hour. ….  When somethings so messed up like that, why even try to explain it.  It’s better just to tell the truth.

Totally messed up, huh?  Ron, what does toward the end of “this Sabbath day”(December 17, 1994) mean?  If you’re going to criticize what I say, at least quote me accurately.  Here is what I posted:

Ron stated that Joe Tkach’s apostasy took place to the hour 13 time 70 weeks before Christ returns.  Ron has scheduled Christ to return at sundown in Jerusalem, which is when God’s day begins.  The time for sunset in Jerusalem on December 17, 1994 was 4:38 PM Israel Standard Time (IST).  IST is UTC +2 hours, while Eastern Standard Time is UTC -5 hours for a 7-hour difference.  So sunset in Jerusalem on 12/17/94 occurred at 9:38 AM Atlanta time.  Was Joseph Tkach speaking at 9:38 AM?

So now who’s the one who’s all messed up?  Back to more of Ronnie’s February 18 statement:

What I like pointing out here is: before the sermon was over that he was giving, and still close to the very midst of it, a little bit farther into it, by the time he’d gone through it,  in the midst of that apostasy sermon the timing of Christ’s return and appearance,  will follow 6370 days later, Jerusalem time, which is near 7:36 PM Jerusalem time.  Sundown on the Sabbath in Jerusalem, when Jesus Christ returns right at that moment when Pentecost begins.

So the point of interest is 7:36 PM Jerusalem time.  Which is 12:36 PM Eastern time (Atlanta time as well).  According to Ronnie’s latest chart, Joe’s sermon was “10 am to 1:30 pm EST” which includes 12:36 PM.  While that’s consistent with the photo of the church bulletin I posted, he has offered no proof of the timing within the sermon when Joe Sr made the defining statement that keeping the sabbath was unnecessary.

In Ronnie’s February 18 sermon, he stated “It’s better just to tell the truth.”  So why don’t you just tell the truth, Ronnie?  Instead, in your latest chart, you repeat the lie “Joe Tkach, Sr.’s death (to the hour)” even after I offered proof that his death was at 2:20 PM Pacific time which is 5:20 PM Eastern/Atlanta time, a full 4 hours and 44 minutes after the time-of-day of the time you scheduled Christ to return.  “To the hour” for Joseph Tkach’s apostasy could match one of these other events but not both of them.  Even if they were to some how match, how would that be significant?  Where does it say that in the Bible?  Except in 1 Ronald Chapter 2 Verse 1260: “It’s significant because I have no prophecy that’s come true so I’m grasping for straws.”

Weinland’s “to the hour” lie is itself relatively unimportant relative to the lie that God reveals truth to him.  And the lie that Christ will return this coming Memorial Day weekend and resurrect the faithful to become members of Elohim.

Other little gems in Ronnie’s latest chart which are inherited from his previous chart.  Such as: “May 30, 1998 After 980 days (“time, times, & 1/2 time”), the Church was reestablished on Pentecost”.  Wrong.  Pentecost that year was on May 31.  And what was the significant event that day that defined the reestablishment of the Church?  Maybe it was Mary Dowd playing the piano as the special “offering” was collected.  Listen to Ron’s sermon (20 MB MP3) on that day and fill me in if he said anything amongst all the blather about reestablishing the church.  BTW, at 34 minutes into the sermon audio he states that the previous day was 3 1/2 years, not that day (Pentecost of ’98).  Just to refresh your memory, Pentecost of ’98 was about a year after Weinland took leave of the United Church of God.  And about a year and a half prior to his booting out the lay church board of his corporation by the simple tactic of disfellowhipping them for not toeing his line.

And this one: “Dec. 14, 2008 – God reveals definition of a “time” being 280 days.”  Wrong, wrong wRonG.  It wasn’t until October 10 of the following year that you pulled out that little gem as an interim explanation as to why the Great Tribulation has not happened.

Last week was pretty active on this blog with both False Prophet Ronald Weinland and his most public critic (yours truly) both having media interviews, followed by exposure of at least one and possibly two false very-hour claims by the Insane Lying False Prophet.

On the legal front, the two sides have traded motions, with Weinland’s talented legal team filing a motion for the government to maintain and make available as discovery the original notes from investigatory interviews of Weinland and others.  The government responded by providing the notes of the two IRS Special Agents from their confrontation with Ron and Laura on July 2, 2008.  (This was on a Wednesday, and in the following Saturday’s sermon Ron talked about “that being” (Satan) being stirred up as the result of his having given the 50th truth sermon, but wouldn’t get into specifics.  Now we know).  As far as interviews of other people, the government has refused to provide any memorandum as discovery since under the federal law and rules of evidence they don’t have to provide this information unless and until a particular witness testifies (that would be testifying with actual words, Laura) in court.

Back to the media front:  In Ronnie’s latest blog posting, he writes:

But with our recent advertising, as of today, I have only had a request for three interviews, one of which I turned down because of the attitude of the producer and host at WGN in Chicago (assuredly, one of the first in the Church that was scattered to ever turn down WGN).

As it turns out, I had a hand in the WGN episode.  Since Ron has had 4 interviews with talk show host Mike McConnell when he was on WLW in Cincinnati, I thought they both might like to have a fifth interview.  I contacted Mike’s producer in December and pointed out Ron’s ad.  Mike’s producer was interested and wanted to have him on the program that day (a Thursday).  Ron gave Mike’s producer the brush off saying he couldn’t do it that day.  So the manifestation of the host’s (Mike McConnell’s) attitude would have been at the time of the last interview, nearly 3 years ago.

Now, although I am Ron’s critic, I am not a stalker and didn’t do this to stir things up.  Three weeks after putting out the ad and no interviews, was curious as to what he’d have to say. I thought that Ron might really want the publicity and would be comfortable dealing with Mike McConnell.  But I have a feeling that Ron knows that the other Mike also has his number by now.  Best to have your interview on a secondary market station with a host who never heard of you and your past failed prophecies so you’d have a recording to post as a sign to your deluded followers.  Who instead of asking you about other failed prophecies, would have asked you about your own.

And who knows, might have even been aware of you mixing up your own signs, saying the first trumpet blew in November of 2008 instead of December of 2008, and that the first trumpet is the economy instead exactly one-third of all plant life.  And that you predicted “nukular” explosions in US port cities 45-90 days after the blowing of the first trumpet, then changed it to within a year from March of 2009, and immediately waffled saying that God might give a little more time.

I wonder what happened to the third request that he didn’t characterize?

In Ron’s posting last week he said:

As a matter of other dates that God revealed to me, through Jesus Christ, it was given earlier that Trumpets of 2008 was the beginning of the 1335 day count in the Book of Daniel that leads up to the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012.

I wonder if this was the same God who gave him the first timeline?  Has God explained why we don’t have jack-booted German soldiers marching down our streets, now less than 5 months before Pentecost?  And when this timeline fails, will he find a third God to give him yet another timeline?

I leave you with a few points from someone who was a minister for Herbert Armstrong before Weinland but who isn’t competing with Ron for followers:

• Please do not let Ron Weinland chide you for your lack of faith in his opinions.
• Please understand that the way he sees and filters the Bible through his brain is his opinion.
• Please understand that if you are to ‘prove all things’ then you have no proof that Ron is in touch with God nor God with him in any real way that can be proven.
• Please realize that any real God is not out to trick or deceive you and that these theological disasters in the making is merely due to the lack of wisdom and common sense of your pastor.
• Please give if you must.  If that is where your treasure is then let your heart follow, but please use your own common sense and provide for yourself and your own “just in case.”  Just in case is not a sin.  It is being responsible.  You know…’if a man provides not for his own household he is less than an infidel..” or something like that.
• Learn to say directly to Mr. Weinland, should the need arise, “please mind your own business on how I perceive my family responsibilities should this really be the end of the age or really not.”
• Please find a way to disconnect the ring in your nose that Ron has the lead firmly attached to.  Follow if you must but follow on your own terms.  Ron can never prove to you that his ways alone are God’s ways or that your caution is unbiblical or a total lack of faith.  Remember, Ron is actually asking you to have faith in him while he makes it sound like you are denying your faith in God.  Apples and oranges…

Dennis Diehl’s entire article can be read on the Banned! blog.

This post is being published 25 minutes before sundown in Jerusalem on January 7, 2012 (which is 9:50 AM EST).  Sundown in Jerusalem is exactly 140 godly days or 20 weeks before the time False Prophet Ronald Weinland has scheduled his bro’ Jesus Christ to appear in the skies of Jerusalem and resurrect him and the Silent Witness from the streets of Jerusalem. So you are probably reading this during the last, final Half-a-Time.

It’s also the end of this period, as defined by Rotten Ronnie in his blog posting dated April 1, 2011:

Tomorrow {April 2, 2011} is the beginning of a new period of time for this end-time. It is a “time” of 40 weeks in the “complete judgment” to be executed upon the scattered nations of Israel and upon the Israel of God (the Church) that was scattered. The whole world will suffer during this period, but the focus is upon both physical and spiritual Israel.

In the past, I have not had the need to write much in the postings on this site. That will all begin to change as we are entering a new stage in time. The Thunders will increase in far greater magnitude and frequency and the first few Trumpets will sound with great devastation to follow.

……….

That is why such events must continue in magnitude and rapid succession, so that mankind will begin to fear and question, “Why are such things happening?” Only when people are brought face to face with death and massive destruction will some humble themselves before God and begin to seek His help and deliverance. Otherwise, people don’t seem to see the need for God’s help and deliverance in their lives.

 We are entering a momentous time. After two years of mercy, the United States will now begin to answer for ignoring God’s warnings. Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the continent of Western Europe are going to begin to answer right alongside the U.S.

So we’ve reached the end of this prophetic 40-week period of complete judgment on the scattered nations of Israel.  Did the Thunders increase in far greater magnitude and frequency during this period?  Did a few of the Trumpets sound?  Or even one of them?  Seems that instead we got another 40 weeks of God’s mercy.

We are within 5 prophetic months of Pentecost.  Are there any jack-booted German soldiers marching down your street?  Are they even mobilizing?  Is the pope organizing the beast power into the next Holy Roman Empire?  What is the pope doing these days?

I do have one prophecy.  I will lose Dill Weed’s Great End of the End contest as False Prophet Ronald Weinland will not make me the winner of the contest by admitting to his abject failures in today’s sermon. Instead of owning up to his mistakes, Ron will roll out more signs and lying wonders to distract the deluded from his vast shortcomings.  PKG members will march around Jericho for one more of Ronnie’s 140-day “days” and at the end we’ll see what falls down (if not before).

The above was the post I composed, mostly in advance, in honor of this prophetic event.  After completing it, Ronald Weinland posted a post on his own log in honor of it.  Haven’t had much time to look at it, so I’ve added it here so we can all look at it (and comment):

—— Ronnie’s Latest Posting ——————–

Revelation 9

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. ² And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. ³ Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. ⁴ They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. ⁵ And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

If you take “five months” to be 5 prophetic months of 30 days each, or a total of 150 days, then today, December 29, is 150 days prior to May 27.  But False Prophet Ronald Weinland argued in a 2010 Feast of Tabernacles sermon that “five months” doesn’t have to be 5 full months, it could be the end of the 1st month, then months 2, 3, and 4, followed by the first part of the 5th month.  So we’ll go with that.  But not allowing a month to be any arbitrary period of time.  So let’s go with the Jewish calendar, which is generous to Ron as its months align with the phases of the moon and are of length 28 to 30 days.  The 5 Jewish months leading up to and including Pentecost of 2012 are:

• January 25, 2012   = Shevat 1
• February 24, 2012 = Adar 1
• March 24, 2012 = Nissan 1
• April 23, 2012 = Iyar 1
• May 22, 2012 = Sivan 1

The very last day that we can squeeze the five months of torment down under this definition is the last day of Shevat, February 23.  But the five months of torment is part of the fifth trumpet.  Which is preceded by the first 4 trumpets. Ron wrote in his book that the first trumpet was exactly the destruction of one-third of all plant life.    But then spiritualized it to be the economic woes because the dollar after all is green just like plant life.  During the first aborted timeline, the 2nd trumpet was supposed to be “nukular” explosions in US port cities.

But Ron says he doesn’t have the foggiest notion what these trumpets are going to be during this timeline.  We’ll have to know by February 23.  Except that Ronald Weinland has somehow compressed this down to the last three weeks before Christ returns.  In the meantime, I prophesy that I won’t win the Great End-of-the-end contest on Dill Weed’s blog because Ron won’t admit by January 7 that Christ is not returning in May.