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Four Months for the Five Months of The Fifth Trumpet

Monday, January 23rd, 2012

From “2008 — God’s Final Witness” pages 125 and 126:

At the same time all these events come together at the sounding of the Fifth Trumpet, there will be an initial period of time (five months) when much human suffering will continue as a result of the first four trumpets.  …….  Those of the scattered Church of God, who are tormented during this five-month period, will suffer greatly for their stubborn pride and continued defiance against God….. This five-month period will also be paralleled by millions of people who will begin to repent and seek God.

A prophetic month is 30 days, 5 of those months is 150 days, and 4 of those months is 120 days.  The counter on the right shows how much time remains to fit in trumpets 2 through 4, the five month period of the fifth trumpet, and the sixth trumpet.  Hmm — less than 4 months now.  And what is this torment?  How many of the “tithe of a third of the scattering” have joined?  Are millions repenting and seeking PKG elders for baptism?  How is all this and a criminal trial for tax evasion to fit into the remaining time? Inquiring minds want to know.

Note: this post is stickied keeping it at the top of my blog until Pentecost unless the 5th trumpet sounds sooner.  Commenting to THIS post is disabled, but commenting remains enabled and welcomed on the other posts which appear below.

Odds & Ends

Wednesday, January 18th, 2012

Last week was pretty active on this blog with both False Prophet Ronald Weinland and his most public critic (yours truly) both having media interviews, followed by exposure of at least one and possibly two false very-hour claims by the Insane Lying False Prophet.

On the legal front, the two sides have traded motions, with Weinland’s talented legal team filing a motion for the government to maintain and make available as discovery the original notes from investigatory interviews of Weinland and others.  The government responded by providing the notes of the two IRS Special Agents from their confrontation with Ron and Laura on July 2, 2008.  (This was on a Wednesday, and in the following Saturday’s sermon Ron talked about “that being” (Satan) being stirred up as the result of his having given the 50th truth sermon, but wouldn’t get into specifics.  Now we know).  As far as interviews of other people, the government has refused to provide any memorandum as discovery since under the federal law and rules of evidence they don’t have to provide this information unless and until a particular witness testifies (that would be testifying with actual words, Laura) in court.

Back to the media front:  In Ronnie’s latest blog posting, he writes:

But with our recent advertising, as of today, I have only had a request for three interviews, one of which I turned down because of the attitude of the producer and host at WGN in Chicago (assuredly, one of the first in the Church that was scattered to ever turn down WGN).

As it turns out, I had a hand in the WGN episode.  Since Ron has had 4 interviews with talk show host Mike McConnell when he was on WLW in Cincinnati, I thought they both might like to have a fifth interview.  I contacted Mike’s producer in December and pointed out Ron’s ad.  Mike’s producer was interested and wanted to have him on the program that day (a Thursday).  Ron gave Mike’s producer the brush off saying he couldn’t do it that day.  So the manifestation of the host’s (Mike McConnell’s) attitude would have been at the time of the last interview, nearly 3 years ago.

Now, although I am Ron’s critic, I am not a stalker and didn’t do this to stir things up.  Three weeks after putting out the ad and no interviews, was curious as to what he’d have to say. I thought that Ron might really want the publicity and would be comfortable dealing with Mike McConnell.  But I have a feeling that Ron knows that the other Mike also has his number by now.  Best to have your interview on a secondary market station with a host who never heard of you and your past failed prophecies so you’d have a recording to post as a sign to your deluded followers.  Who instead of asking you about other failed prophecies, would have asked you about your own.

And who knows, might have even been aware of you mixing up your own signs, saying the first trumpet blew in November of 2008 instead of December of 2008, and that the first trumpet is the economy instead exactly one-third of all plant life.  And that you predicted “nukular” explosions in US port cities 45-90 days after the blowing of the first trumpet, then changed it to within a year from March of 2009, and immediately waffled saying that God might give a little more time.

I wonder what happened to the third request that he didn’t characterize?

In Ron’s posting last week he said:

As a matter of other dates that God revealed to me, through Jesus Christ, it was given earlier that Trumpets of 2008 was the beginning of the 1335 day count in the Book of Daniel that leads up to the return of Jesus Christ on May 27, 2012.

I wonder if this was the same God who gave him the first timeline?  Has God explained why we don’t have jack-booted German soldiers marching down our streets, now less than 5 months before Pentecost?  And when this timeline fails, will he find a third God to give him yet another timeline?

I leave you with a few points from someone who was a minister for Herbert Armstrong before Weinland but who isn’t competing with Ron for followers:

  • Please do not let Ron Weinland chide you for your lack of faith in his opinions.
  • Please understand that the way he sees and filters the Bible through his brain is his opinion.
  • Please understand that if you are to ‘prove all things’ then you have no proof that Ron is in touch with God nor God with him in any real way that can be proven.
  • Please realize that any real God is not out to trick or deceive you and that these theological disasters in the making is merely due to the lack of wisdom and common sense of your pastor.
  • Please give if you must.  If that is where your treasure is then let your heart follow, but please use your own common sense and provide for yourself and your own “just in case.”  Just in case is not a sin.  It is being responsible.  You know…’if a man provides not for his own household he is less than an infidel..” or something like that.
  • Learn to say directly to Mr. Weinland, should the need arise, “please mind your own business on how I perceive my family responsibilities should this really be the end of the age or really not.”
  • Please find a way to disconnect the ring in your nose that Ron has the lead firmly attached to.  Follow if you must but follow on your own terms.  Ron can never prove to you that his ways alone are God’s ways or that your caution is unbiblical or a total lack of faith.  Remember, Ron is actually asking you to have faith in him while he makes it sound like you are denying your faith in God.  Apples and oranges…

Dennis Diehl’s entire article can be read on the Banned! blog.

The Last “Day” / The Final Half-a-Time

Saturday, January 7th, 2012

This post is being published 25 minutes before sundown in Jerusalem on January 7, 2012 (which is 9:50 AM EST).  Sundown in Jerusalem is exactly 140 godly days or 20 weeks before the time False Prophet Ronald Weinland has scheduled his bro’ Jesus Christ to appear in the skies of Jerusalem and resurrect him and the Silent Witness from the streets of Jerusalem. So you are probably reading this during the last, final Half-a-Time.

It’s also the end of this period, as defined by Rotten Ronnie in his blog posting dated April 1, 2011:

Tomorrow {April 2, 2011} is the beginning of a new period of time for this end-time. It is a “time” of 40 weeks in the “complete judgment” to be executed upon the scattered nations of Israel and upon the Israel of God (the Church) that was scattered. The whole world will suffer during this period, but the focus is upon both physical and spiritual Israel.

In the past, I have not had the need to write much in the postings on this site. That will all begin to change as we are entering a new stage in time. The Thunders will increase in far greater magnitude and frequency and the first few Trumpets will sound with great devastation to follow.

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That is why such events must continue in magnitude and rapid succession, so that mankind will begin to fear and question, “Why are such things happening?” Only when people are brought face to face with death and massive destruction will some humble themselves before God and begin to seek His help and deliverance. Otherwise, people don’t seem to see the need for God’s help and deliverance in their lives.

 We are entering a momentous time. After two years of mercy, the United States will now begin to answer for ignoring God’s warnings. Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the continent of Western Europe are going to begin to answer right alongside the U.S.

So we’ve reached the end of this prophetic 40-week period of complete judgment on the scattered nations of Israel.  Did the Thunders increase in far greater magnitude and frequency during this period?  Did a few of the Trumpets sound?  Or even one of them?  Seems that instead we got another 40 weeks of God’s mercy.

We are within 5 prophetic months of Pentecost.  Are there any jack-booted German soldiers marching down your street?  Are they even mobilizing?  Is the pope organizing the beast power into the next Holy Roman Empire?  What is the pope doing these days?

I do have one prophecy.  I will lose Dill Weed’s Great End of the End contest as False Prophet Ronald Weinland will not make me the winner of the contest by admitting to his abject failures in today’s sermon. Instead of owning up to his mistakes, Ron will roll out more signs and lying wonders to distract the deluded from his vast shortcomings.  PKG members will march around Jericho for one more of Ronnie’s 140-day “days” and at the end we’ll see what falls down (if not before).

The above was the post I composed, mostly in advance, in honor of this prophetic event.  After completing it, Ronald Weinland posted a post on his own log in honor of it.  Haven’t had much time to look at it, so I’ve added it here so we can all look at it (and comment):

—— Ronnie’s Latest Posting ——————–

In times past, I remember Herbert W. Armstrong speaking of the importance of certain events concerning the Church that happened on January 7. This was especially true for the years of 1953 and 1972, as he covered in his “Personal” in the Tomorrow’s World magazine of February 1972.

January 7, 2012, is another important occurrence for the timing of God’s work and end-time events. This date is an important crossroad in time as it ends a prophetically historic portion of time in Daniel that consists of a prophetic measure of “time” and “times” that began after Trumpets of 2009.

January 8 of this year begins the final “half-a-time” of this full prophetic period known as “time, times, and half-a-time.” That day is the start of the final period of 140 days (half-a-time) that leads up to the very coming of the Messiah spoken of in those same prophecies of Daniel. This post will also address a newly revealed final fulfillment of the 70 weeks prophecy that has a dual fulfillment of both Christ’s first coming and his second coming.

The final “half-a-time” that begins January 8 will be the prophetic period when the Trumpets of Revelation will finally be heard (witnessed and seen) throughout this world, along with the Thunders of Revelation that will progressively escalate in a dramatic manner. The period of “time, times, and half-a-time” consists of seven segments of time (seven half-times). It can be likened to God’s plan covered in the weekly cycle of seven days and the 7,000 year plan where the last 1,000 years is when God takes control and gives mankind the ability to know His ways.

An End to 6,000 Years of Man’s Ways:
The period of a “time” and “times” described by Daniel is a final witness God is giving of mankind’s true response to Him throughout the past 6,000 years. This final “half-a-time” is the transition between the past 6,000 years and the final 1,000 years of God’s rule on earth. It is during this time of transition that people will begin to “see” the power of God revealed through physical events that destroy the system God calls Babylon (a system of confusion). Indeed, Babylon describes every way mankind has chosen, while fully rejecting God’s true ways.

God separated a segment of “time” that reflects the work of the Messiah over the past 2,000 years. Before Christ came to fulfill the role of our Passover, 4,000 years had passed. In reality, mankind has lived through a period of “time” and “times” (2,000 and 4,000 years) in God’s complete plan for 7,000 years. It is during the final “half-a-time” (1,000 years) that God will fully reveal His ways, truth, and power to all who will receive it. Through Christ (the Messiah), God will govern this world. We are entering the final transition from mankind’s self-rule to that of God’s rule.

The ways of mankind have been consistent for 6,000 years. Throughout this period, God’s ways have continually been resisted, misrepresented, mocked, slandered, and disobeyed. Mankind is filled with pride and finds it easy to either slant and twist God’s truth to fit his own ways (as in Judaism, Islam, and traditional Christianity) or to create his own religion (or none at all) that fully rejects any connection to the God of Abraham.

Except for the few through time whom God has chosen to work with and reveal Himself, the rest of mankind has fully rejected God. They will not listen and take seriously what God says. God has repeatedly declared how He has sent His prophets and servants into the world, but that none will listen.

The period of a “time” and “times” (ending on January 7th) that God set aside as a final witness of mankind has repeated the history of the first 6,000 years. During this time the hatred of people toward God’s servants and His Church has only magnified, and paralleling this has been a progressive increase in lethargy and complacency toward warnings that God has been giving. The world, and even the Church that was scattered after the apostasy, is more determined than ever to preserve its own way. The warnings of God that we are closing in on the final stages of the end-time are ignored, ridiculed, and treated with disdain.

Yes, God’s witness is so true and thankfully it is finally time to usher in the return of Jesus Christ to take control of the world and the Church that was scattered as King of kings and Lord of lords. It is time for Babylon to begin to crumble until it has been fully destroyed. In addition, the king of Babylon is coming to his end as his kingdom begins to crumble beneath him.

There is no more time for warnings, but for that which has already been written. There is no more time for mercy to be extended, as time has run out.

Seventy Weeks Prophecy:
The sermon given to God’s Church on January 7, 2012, that is entitled, “The Final Time,” reveals how God is precise in His timing for fulfilling prophetic events. The Almighty God who set the universe in motion with such precision and skillful work long ago spoke of this time now: “For I am the Eternal who speaks and the words that I speak shall come to pass. It will be no more prolonged, for in your days, Oh rebellious house, I will say the word and will perform it” (Ez. 12:25). God has spoken and now is the time that He will perform what He has said.

The seventy weeks prophecy about the Messiah (in the Book of Daniel) has been correctly understood by some as being very specific timing about the first coming of Christ. But what none have known is that this prophecy is also dual. It is about an exact number of days that will be fulfilled from the moment that the First Seal of Revelation was opened until the day that Jesus Christ returns (fully explained in the January 7 sermon). After 6,000 years of prideful human suffering, thank God that we are rapidly nearing that second coming!

————————–   End of Ronnie’s Posting ————–

Really shaping up for more signs and lying wonders in today’s sermon.

Now is your chance to weigh in using the comments section to this post.

Five Months of Torment

Thursday, December 29th, 2011

Revelation 9

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

If you take “five months” to be 5 prophetic months of 30 days each, or a total of 150 days, then today, December 29, is 150 days prior to May 27.  But False Prophet Ronald Weinland argued in a 2010 Feast of Tabernacles sermon that “five months” doesn’t have to be 5 full months, it could be the end of the 1st month, then months 2, 3, and 4, followed by the first part of the 5th month.  So we’ll go with that.  But not allowing a month to be any arbitrary period of time.  So let’s go with the Jewish calendar, which is generous to Ron as its months align with the phases of the moon and are of length 28 to 30 days.  The 5 Jewish months leading up to and including Pentecost of 2012 are:

  • January 25, 2012   = Shevat 1
  • February 24, 2012 = Adar 1
  • March 24, 2012 = Nissan 1
  • April 23, 2012 = Iyar 1
  • May 22, 2012 = Sivan 1

The very last day that we can squeeze the five months of torment down under this definition is the last day of Shevat, February 23.  But the five months of torment is part of the fifth trumpet.  Which is preceded by the first 4 trumpets. Ron wrote in his book that the first trumpet was exactly the destruction of one-third of all plant life.    But then spiritualized it to be the economic woes because the dollar after all is green just like plant life.  During the first aborted timeline, the 2nd trumpet was supposed to be “nukular” explosions in US port cities.

But Ron says he doesn’t have the foggiest notion what these trumpets are going to be during this timeline.  We’ll have to know by February 23.  Except that Ronald Weinland has somehow compressed this down to the last three weeks before Christ returns.  In the meantime, I prophesy that I won’t win the Great End-of-the-end contest on Dill Weed’s blog because Ron won’t admit by January 7 that Christ is not returning in May.

 

God’s Diplomat Returns

Monday, November 28th, 2011

Back on September 23, God’s Diplomat Presented his credentials. He stopped by again this morning to leave a comment, which I’m turning into a post.

Here’s what God’s Diplomat had to say on my About page.

Sadly friend, you do exactly what you accuse God’s Prophet Ronald Weinland of doing. You, without regard for Truth spew deception from your lying mouth. Your heart dwells with your father the devil and so shall you share in his eventual punishment.

You made comment as to why you decided to focus your despicable and unjust public depiction of the Weinlands rather than to attack others whom you have judged to be false prophets. I have to respectfully ask, who appointed you the keeper of Holy Scripture? Has Christ revealed the mysteries of the Word to you while abandoning His own? Truth is, even if you believe what you have stated I suggest that you have targeted God’s End-time Witnesses not compelled nor motivated by TRUTH but instead giving unto the influence of your master, Satan.

The Scriptures provides much insight as to Yahweh’s thinking. We are told in no uncertain terms that God considers man’s intellect pure foolishness. In this passage He was warning true Christians about the haughty, Law defiant and spiritually corrupt impostors of His Will, people who consequently believe only mortal thought for they cannot in sin receive God’s Spirit, the revealer of all things Holy. Without His Spirit Biblical mysteries are purposely concealed.

I understand that you do not believe that Ronald and Laura are God’s witnesses and that’s fine, but don’t you think it would be probably be best to allow God to expose false prophets? Do you honestly believe that God Almighty has ordained your mission, that He requires your assistance or possibly that you have the ability to do things better than God? You are obviously a very confused man. I will pray for you Mike, but sadly it is you who must realize your error and repent for your sin.

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Diplomat, I never claimed to have a commission from on high. Who appointed you as God’s Diplomat? Talk about contradiction.

If I’ve said anything that’s incorrect about the Weinlands, point it out and give the correct information.

If Ron Weinland made any prophecy that is correct, that is a prediction that came true exactly how he said it would and exactly when he said it would, then point that out too.

No Broken Pitchers at Ron’s Mansion

Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011

In a post last week, I pointed out that if Ron really believes that Christ returns next May he wouldn’t need to pay his property taxes as Christ would return and change him to a spirit being before the civil authorities take any action.  We now see where he stands on that, actions speak louder than words.  The picture to the right shows that God’s most formidable prophet made his property tax payment right on time.

Also of interest is that he paid the taxes directly instead of through a multi-partnered law firm as he did last year.  Wonder what that was all about.

Also of note is that according to his blog Weinland has trips scheduled all the way to the last weekend of January.

Will Ron Break His Pitcher?

Tuesday, October 25th, 2011

The last we heard from False Prophet Ronald Weinland, he believes in Christ’s return next May even more strongly than ever as a result with his encounter with Satan on the night of Atonement.  But I wonder how strongly he believes that, for real.

Here is a clip from the county website of Ron’s property tax bill on his $381,000-but-now-devalued-to-$357,000 mansion on the golf course.

Notice that according to this, they will accept payments even after January 31 of next year.  Further, according to this PDF calendar file on the State of Kentucky website the property tax bills can be paid as late as April 15, after which they will be sent to the county clerk to process for delinquency.  Tax bills are sold to third parties beginning July 14.  So when would the property go up for auction?  Probably not until well after July 14.  But with Christ returning only 6 weeks after April 15, there wouldn’t be much time before Ron is killed in the streets of Jerusalem anyway.

So, if Ron really really believes that Christ returns next May, he won’t pay his property tax as it would be totally unnecessary.  That $3677.03 could be better spent on more copies of his books to send out.  Or maybe on some stock tanks to baptize the millions of people soon knocking on PKG’s door to be baptized.

Personally, I will be surprised if he doesn’t pay it timely as he always does, except last year when his law firm was a couple of days late.

The Fourth Picnic

Monday, September 5th, 2011

Looked at the calendar, and decided to repost this YouTube video:

Today is the fourth Labor Day since April of 2008 when False Prophet Ronald Weinland made this statement. He’s still preaching. Are we still having a picnic?