Ron Weinland, In His Own Words
Wednesday, January 27th, 2010Over on his As Bereans Did blog, xHWA has compiled a number of Ron Weinland’s words about himself. Click on over and take a read, and leave a comment there as well.
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Ronald Weinland Vs WWW.COG-PKG.ORG
Tuesday, December 29th, 2009False Prophet Ronald Weinland has generously provided a PDF transcript of his December 19th “Elijah” sermon. A few quotes from that sermon transcript show him increasingly emphatic about being the Elijah-to-come:
[Page 14] And he talked about a type of duality and I don’t know any other way to say it today here, but just to tell you… I also am an ‘Elijah to come’.
[Page 16] Well, I’m telling you today: I am the ‘Elijah to come’ – see?
[Page 18]: I am the final fulfillment of the ‘Elijah to come’. [Emphasis from original transcript]
Also, in his blog posting of last week he demoted Herbert Armstrong to solidify his own credentials as the Elijah-to-come:
Herbert W. Armstrong fulfilled a “type” of the Elijah to come as prophesied in the Old Testament and as prophesied by Jesus Christ. …… The truth is that neither John the Baptist nor Herbert W. Armstrong fulfilled the complete prophecies concerning the “Elijah to come,” but they fulfilled a “type” of that prophetic fulfillment.
The Church of God – PKG Church Website has some interesting things to say on the matter. On the COG-PKG FAQ page.
The Living Church of God, under the leadership of Roderick Meredith, is also asleep spiritually. Roderick C. Meredith is guilty in his failure to acknowledge Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong as the prophesied Elijah to come, who would restore all things to God’s true Church. In a sermon series where Roderick Meredith’s own words are quoted from taped recordings, Ronald Weinland has exposed the leadership of the Living Church of God for refusing God’s true witness of what God accomplished through His end-time apostle (See “Sermon Archives” for 2001, beginning in a four part series on Oct. 27, 2001). In doing this, Roderick Meredith has denied God Himself.
On the COG-PKG Topics Page
The Church of God-PKG is a continuation of the Church that God and Jesus Christ started on the day of Pentecost in 31 AD. The Church has operated under different organizational names which all carried the name “Church of God.” Mr. Armstrong was the Elijah to come as stated in Malachi 4:5 and operated under the organizational name of the “Worldwide Church of God.” The Church of God-PKG continues in the truth that was restored through Herbert W Armstrong.
And on the COG-PKG 50 Truths page
Herbert W. Armstrong was the prophesied “Elijah to come” who restored all truth essential to salvation to the Church of God during the Philadelphia Era. Very few in the Church that was scattered teach this today. Mr. Armstrong described himself as a voice crying out in the wilderness and stated in Mystery of the Ages that he had fulfilled the prophecies of the Elijah to Come.
This last was the 39th “truth”. I wonder how long it will be before God-denier Ronald Weinland gets around to having Jeremy edit the website to account for the demotion of spiritual idol Herbert Armstrong to only a “type”. Will it be before or after I die speedily from the curse Weinland issued 53 weeks ago?
Ron, John, Herbie, & Elijah
Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009In his sermon last Saturday, False Prophet Ronald Weinland made the following claim:
I’m telling you today, I am the Elijah-to-come.
Weinland also claims to be an apostle and one of the Two End-time Witnesses (and spokesman for both). I’ve run across a CoG publication that takes exception to the idea that one of the Witnesses would also be the end-time Elijah.
Faithfully reviewing our history and acknowledging that this history is in perfect and complete harmony with the word of God and end-time prophecies should serve to strengthen brethren and sober us to the reality of how little time we have left to prepare ourselves. Yet this evangelist “of a large organization” waffles back and forth on this subject. He even plants the thought that there are experts who believe one of the two witnesses may fulfill this role of the Elijah to come. How could such a man be so blind, especially after all that he experienced in the Church during Philadelphia? And who are these “experts?” Have these experts written commentary about this subject, and are they supposed to be “Bible scholars,” who are in fact actually outside the Church—without the spirit of God dwelling in them? Do we look to experts outside the Church to help us understand the true word of God and those things that can only be revealed through God’s spirit? What would either of these two witnesses restore in that last 3½ years before Jesus Christ returns? That question alone should show how foolish this evangelist has been in presenting such suggestions!
Elsewhere in the same CoG publication:
All understanding of prophecy regarding the end of this age was not revealed to Mr. Armstrong. Foundational truths were revealed through him and restored to the Church as God fulfilled the role of the “Elijah to come” through him.
and also:
It is not a light thing for anyone in the environs of the Church to deny or be uncommitted in this matter of Mr. Armstrong being the end-time Elijah.
So how did this publication critical of Weinland’s latest titular claim come out so quickly? Actually, it was published quite awhile ago, back in May of 2003. The title of the publication is “Time Has Run Out” and was written by someone named Ronald Weinland and is available in PDF format for download on the CoG-PKG Publications page. The PDF is text searchable, and taking advantage of that with the search term “Elijah” yields the following gems.
To deny that Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong was the Elijah to come before the end-time is either ignorance or willing denial of what is true concerning our history and what God did through him. …… It is not a light thing for anyone in the environs of the Church to deny or be uncommitted in this matter of Mr. Armstrong being the end-time Elijah. [pg 38, 3rd column]
Understand that there is duality involved in the “Elijah to come,” as John the Baptist fulfills the first part of this prophecy concerning a people being prepared for the first-coming of Jesus Christ. [pg 17, 1st column]
But instead of the duality, we now have Ron as part of a trinity consisting of John the Baptist, Ronald the Reviser, and his spiritual idol Herbert Armstrong. By the way, this material is essentially the same as given in yet another CoG publication, the 2002 Second Quarter issue of News Watch.
Another CoG publication takes exception to Ron’s stance. The publication is “The Prophesied End Time” written by one Ronald Weinland. It includes other statements:
That man was Herbert W. Armstrong—the very one who would fulfill the role of the prophetic end-time Elijah. [pg 106]
It will become far more significant later, but Herbert W. Armstrong understood that he fulfilled the prophecies of the end-time Elijah to come, that he was the end-time apostle to the Philadelphian Era, and that his commission was summed up in Matthew 24:14. [pg 108]
Poor Ron. He’s made up so much stuff that he’s having trouble keeping track of it all, getting tripped up in contradictions every time he opens his mouth. Laura, you need to give him lots and lots of those looks to shut him up. But it really doesn’t matter — his followers have already forgotten it but if reminded will swallow whatever lame explanations the failed prophet will offer.
The “Elijah to Come”
Wednesday, December 23rd, 2009False Prophet Ronald Weinland has placed a new post on his blog about his new title as the fulfillment of the Elijah-to-come. I’m repeating it below for your convenience and so it will be available later when he deletes it. I have emphasized a few of his statements, and added [a few comments of my own] in the text. Also, he does not provide for comments on his blog but I do on mine.
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The Church of God – PKG has indeed been “Preparing for the Kingdom of God.” Beginning this Sabbath, the Church will take another big step forward in doing that commission given to it in this end-time.
As we covered in a sermon series (”Our Journey of Faith”) about our recent history, I addressed an issue that God had given me which was to acknowledge how He and His Son, Jesus Christ, had made me an apostle as well as a prophet. I had long believed that Herbert W. Armstrong was the last apostle to the Church, but due to the truths that God has revealed over the past several years, it was now time to acknowledge that such truths given are only accomplished through an apostle.
The prophecies given to the Church have been through the office of a prophet, but the doctrines and truths have come through an apostle. And as God inspired Paul to write, we “are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Eph. 2:20). In other words, God works in a very specific manner through His Son, Jesus Christ, who is the head of the Church, to give truth of doctrine and instruction through His apostles and to give prophecy through His prophets. How the Church then responds to truth (by seeking to live by it) and how it responds in faith to prophetic revelation (living according to it) determines the spiritual relationship each member has with God the Father.
The Church that was scattered, due to the apostasy, has fragmented into over 500 different organizations, yet only one has been reestablished as God’s true Church. It became fully reestablished once again on Pentecost of 1998, as the true remnant with whom God was working. This is not a popular thing to declare, yet it is simply the truth. God’s Church cannot be organized into many fragmented groups with differing ideas of government and doctrine. That is not God’s way and this it is fully contrary to the laws of God and how God’s spirit works in His Church.
Mr. Armstrong was a “type” of the Elijah:
Herbert W. Armstrong fulfilled a “type” of the Elijah to come as prophesied in the Old Testament and as prophesied by Jesus Christ. [Ron demotes Herbie from the Elijah-to-come to only a type.]
Ron Vs the CoG Leaders
Wednesday, December 9th, 2009At a couple of points during Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s sermon last Saturday, he took pot shots at some of the leaders of competing CoGs. He dug up some old copies of his News Watch magazines from 1998 and 1999. From the sermon:
[Reading from page 5 of the Jan '99 issue of News Watch]“The large organizations will no longer be functioning as they are today. On the contrary, even now they are nearing their end.”
[Commenting extemporaneously] Now people can mock and make fun of that. 1999 – Hah, they’re nearing their end. A lot truer today than it was then. How near is near? Ten years? Eleven years? Is that not near? Amazing how human beings are sometimes, now haughty human beings are. Some who like to poke fun at and make fun of some of what is said in one area of the thunders about certain leaders of the church. It’s coming. It’s coming. In God’s time. According to God’s will.
The “area of the thunders” Ron referred to is the first phase of the fifth thunder of the 6th seal. During the first phase of the fifth thunder, Rod Meredith, Richard Ames (both of Living CoG), Gerald Flurry (Philadelphia CoG), David Pack (Restored Cog), and John Ritenbaugh (CGG) were to die early on. This is all described on page 107-108 of 2008 – God’s Final Witness and offered as a test of himself as a prophet “How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed His prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don’t have long to wait!”
As described in 2008 – God’s Final Witness “This phase of the Fifth Thunder is one of my own choosing, which God has granted me as part of His own will and purpose for the Church”. Well, it’s over 3 years since the book was released in November of 2006, and over a year since the 6th seal ended for the second time, and we’re still waiting as none of these accursed CoG leaders are dead. Not mocking or making fun of, just pointing out something for those who have eyes to see. God didn’t grant Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland anything.
Ron wasn’t done. He took additional pot shots at John Ritenbaugh for counting Pentecost a week differently a few years. And then he went on to mention a “minister from Missouri”.
Ron started his globe trotting with a trip to Europe in November of 1999 using Steve Dalrymple’s air miles. Ron mentioned that during that trip he used Benjamin and Grace’s home in greater London to conduct a Bible study which was attended by a number* of people including Phillip Burman who is still one of Ron’s elders. The group in the UK now is fewer than 50, most of whom joined in 2007 and 2008 after Ron started promoting his book, so I doubt that very many of those attending Ron’s Bible study went with PKG. Any friendships that Benjamin and Grace had with others in that small group are now ended by edict of Sheriff Ron. * (According to Saturday’s sermon, 19 people were at the meeting in London in 1999. According to the sermon of Dec 5, 1999 there were 12 people including 3 children.)
Ron continued on in last week’s sermon:
“It was at this time [1999] that we invited that minister from Missouri to be there during Thanksgiving while we were away. And while we were away, the mice did play. Because they started hatching up division while we were gone, while we were in Europe. And they began to spread things around a bit here and there. And they began to talk amongst themselves. About what I was doing and I was their minister and I should be there and I shouldn’t be anyplace else and I shouldn’t go anyplace else, because he’s our minister. And basically he should do what we tell him to do. Little did he know what God was
While Ron was in Europe, he missed two sermons. On November 20, 1999 Al Buchanan delivered a sermon titled “Children of the Light” to “the Church of God” in Toledo. Al Buchanan was the minister of the Belleville CoG (a suburb of St. Louis in Illinois). By all accounts, Al is not an empire builder. In fact a few weeks after this last Feast of Tabernacles he stepped down, stating that he felt his little CoGlet was encouraging division within Armstrongism. This just points up Ron’s paranoia. Ron, just because you’re plotting doesn’t mean that everyone else is.
On the other hand, it was just over two months after Ron’s first European trip as a prophet that he seized control of the Church of God Inc from its lay board during January and February of 2000. Ron the cat swallowed the church whole and spit out the mice.
During Ron’s sermon this past week, he quoted from various issues of News Watch. Here’s one potshot against CoGs that he didn’t quote. From the June-July 1999 issue on page 3 (336kB PDF Download):
Today some believe they are to give a warning witness to Israel. What a puny effort we see. If and when God gives a witness to Israel, more than He already has, you will know it. Israel has already received the height of a warning witness given through the Philadelphia period of time, and they rejected it. That is a witness against them!
The next witness will be obvious. It will be when God needs no Church to help sponsor nor support it. There will be such miraculous events accomplished at that time that much free publicity will be given. The work of that witness will consist of such newsworthy events that it will be widely reported in this world. There will be no need for an organization to sponsor such efforts.
That future witness to Israel will be one that reminds them of the earlier witness they refused during the Philadelphia era. It will tell them why they are then suffering once the physical tribulation has begun. It will also be a message to the whole world of what is soon to follow – the Kingdom of God on earth with the soon coming of Jesus Christ as King of kings. That job has been set aside for two to accomplish by the power of God. No church organization is going to do it, and no individual is going to be able to set himself up as God’s apostle to do it. It is for the two who are yet to be sent by God.
Ron sure doesn’t skimp on his irony pills. Ron, here you have it. It’s all your fault that the Great Tribulation hasn’t started. You don’t need the COG-PKG. Turn it over to Johnny and strike out on your own exercising your awesome Witness powers. When you and Laura are on your way out of town to call down plagues on world capitols, Y’ALL can stop off to breathe fire on that nasty IRS special agent who keeps serving Audra with summonses.
