False Prophet Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland posted the following on his blog last week, after referring to the two-day fast on January 31 to February 1 of last year.

Yes, that two-day fast was for the people of this world. It was a petition requesting that more would have the potential of being saved than would otherwise be the case if things happened in their natural, normal progression. Through this fast, God revealed His desire to grant great mercy to all mankind by lessening the time for actual suffering that begins once the Second Trumpet sounds. Once the world begins to become aware of this, the potential for more being saved will become a reality.

A listen through the sermon of January 31, 2009, Ron did indeed mention how nice it would be if the trumpets were delayed.  But what was the purpose of the two-day fast?  What were members to pray for?  Listen to an MP3 audio clip by pressing the play button. (link for the flash impaired browsers)

So again, what is the purpose of our prayers, petitions and fasting before God? … That many more be brought to repentance and acceptance of the truth through the timing, repetition, and power from unleashing far mightier thunders.  And as well the trumpets…

No instructions to pray for a delay in the trumpets, but the opposite.  Don’t believe me? Well, download the Jan 31, 2009 sermon directly from the PKG website, and listen to it for yourself beginning at 1 hour and 11 minutes.  Listen to the whole thing.  Give me the timestamp of any point where members were to pray for a delay of the trumpets.  And no, not any place where Ron said that wouldn’t it be nice.

And provide evidence that what they fasted and prayed for materialized (and no, that wasn’t the non-materialization of the 2nd trumpet).  Yeah, we’ve had a few earthquakes, a few weather events, and even an oil spill but which was stopped before destroying the southern US. Don’t give a list of event like Aaron Robinson did awhile back — give some hard statistics showing the increase in the thunders.  And explain why it isn’t obvious to all,  not just those without the special filters that Ron puts in the minds of this followers.

And if Ron claims again that God delayed the Second Trumpet because of the two-day fast, call BS on him.

Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland

Sunday was Pentecost, just two years on the Jewish calendar before the non-return of Jesus Christ.  Being a high holy day, there was a bonus sermon, in which a few interesting things were said.  I’ve provided clips of those statements in Flash players and with hyperlinks for iPods, iPads, and other machines that don’t do Flash.

Associate Elder and son-of-the-Spokesman-Witness Jeremy Weinland gave the opening prayer.  Is it my imagination, or is he developing a bit of a German accent?
God seems to be all over the place now.  First he says not to turn either to the left or to the right.
Then he says to stop, start, turn left, and turn right.
Ron loathes people who raise themselves up.
And he can’t understand why people would leave.
He offers a unique explanation for the purpose of the Swiss bank account.
And the absolute capper.  It seems that several vials have been poured out. 
The following is from page 133 of “2008 – God’s Final Witness”:

Seven Last Plagues The third and final woe that will follow the blast of the Seventh Trumpet is divided into seven specific events, which are called the Seven Last Plagues of God’s wrath. This wrath will be on those who still will refuse to submit to God. This wrath will crush the superpowers of Europe and China along with her allies:

Then I saw another sign in heaven that was massively great and amazing, with seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them is filled up the wrath of God . . . Then one of the four creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. [Rev 15:1]

Now Ron didn’t say which vial numbers have been poured out.  But in any case, he’s got things all mixed up.  The vials aren’t to be poured out until Christ returns.  Has he already returned?  What happened to everything happening exactly as stated in his book?

It was two years ago as of yesterday when I started blogging about False Prophet Ronald Weinland.  My first post about him at my former Blogspot site was about the Second Thunder: Earthquakes.  Being two years later, I think it’s worth taking another look at the earthquake situation.

On page 96 of “2008: God’s Final Witness”, Weinland stated:

The greatest destruction and loss of life from earthquakes is the direct result of collapsing buildings or the power unleashed in the form of a tsunami. Volcanoes are also associated with earthquakes. All these things will continue to wreak havoc on man and nature in an ever increasing magnitude as we approach the very end of this age.

All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. The Seven Thunders will serve as a powerful witness that the words of this book are true, and that they are from the God of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ.

Using the method described in the earlier blog post, I created graph of earthquake activity over the last 9 years from the US Geological Survey online database. The chart shows a dot for each earthquake by magnitude and date.  I’ve also indicated with a line when Weinland’s book was published in November of 2006.  This chart includes the entire period of Weinland’s Sixth Seal which began on 9/11/01 and ended twice, the first time on March 18, 2008 and the second time on November 14, 2008.

A magnitude 6 earthquake causes no damage except to poorly constructed buildings. A change of 1 on the scale is actually a 32x change in earthquake energy.

If earthquakes had increased in power and recognition during the two years following the publication of Weinland’s fictional work, there would be an increasing density of dots on the chart in 2007 and 2008 above magnitude 6.  And this increasing density would have begun shortly after 9/11.

On page 199 of his book, Weinland wrote:

The reason this book and The Prophesied End-Time have so much to say about specific events that will take place in the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, the United Kingdom, and much of western Europe is that these nations are very specifically identified as the descendents of those lost ten tribes of Israel! End-time events focus first on the demise of these nations over the next couple of years. These events have everything to do with knowing the true God of Abraham.

So I used the USGS Rectangular Earthquake Search page which allows gathering data from a subset of the earthquakes limited to a geographic area.  I generated data on a rectangular grid which encompasses the 48 continuous states of the US and portions of Canada as well. The chart below is the result.  Since the data set for this region is smaller, Excel was able to handle a data set including quakes of magnitudes as low as 4.

There is no pattern of an increasing magnitude or density of dots for 2007 and 2008 reflecting increased earthquake activity in the US bringing about its demise.  Furthermore, the reason the scale on the second chart stops at 8 is that there were no quakes exceeding that magnitude in this region of the world since 2001, unlike the rest of the world.  A large number of earthquakes in the 7 to 8 magnitude range would have been adequate to make this a loud thunder, but there weren’t any, not even one, in that range during 2007, 2008, or 2009.

I’ve analyzed these two charts from another perspective, creating a “loudness” graph for the second thunder.  On the graph, an earthquake creates an uptick in the chart according to it’s magnitude, and then decays over time, halving over a roughly two week period.  The function is constructed such that a second earthquake soon after the first will add to its decaying echo, so two earthquakes of equal intensity on the same day would register the same as a single earthquake twice as strong.

The next graph shows what the intensity of the second thunder was like on a global basis.  The second thunder did not increase in power and recognition during the two years following the publication of Ron’s book, but rather decreased.

Since Ron claimed that end time events were to focus on modern-day Israel, I ran the earthquake data for the US region through the same function.  Again, the second thunder did not increase in power and recognition in the two years of 2007 and 2008 following the publication of Ron’s book, but rather decreased.

To the Weinland apologists out there, before you point out that the 2nd thunder has increased over the past few months, point out an example where a prophet of God prophesied falsely, and then later on prophesied correctly.  Even if tomorrow, the “big one” happens both in Los Angeles and in San Francisco, with major earthquakes in Seattle, Juneau, and along the New Madrid fault, it would not suddenly prove that Weinland is one of the Two Witnesses.  I imagine that some other false prophet would get “lucky”, since there are always false prophets making predictions.

Weinland protests that his books are fully accurate, its prophecies just hasn’t happened yet.  Yet on page 4 of his book, he states:

The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.

And also on the same page, referring to interviews for his first book which started in 2004 (Weinland started writing his last book during the fall of 2005):

What we have witnessed since those interviews a year ago will only increase in magnitude and frequency until we come to the last and final stage.

However, it seems that PKG members can’t remember any further back than the last sermon.  Look again and see whether the earthquakes he was talking about only increased in magnitude in frequency, or ever decreased.  The same with hurricanes.  Ron mentions 26 named storms including 14 hurricanes during the 2005 season.   So each year since had more than that number, and more than the year before?  Did any year since have more than the year of 2005?

A prime example of PKG thinking is “Dominic”, a self-described 23-year-old recent convert who did some drive-by commenting in reply to my last blog post. He claims that Ron and Laura took him and his daughter to lunch, probably with the other dozen PKG members in attendance while in in Phoenix last weekend. We’ll see how soon it is before one of the elders who reads my blog brings him up short for “entertaining demons” and puts him back in his cage.

The prospect of spending eternity with this maniac sounds more like being in hell than in heaven, to use the vernacular (yeah, yeah, I know you don’t believe in those concepts of traditional Christianity, but if you can get past that, maybe you’ll get my point). Given that, I’ll take my chances with the Great White Throne, thank you very much, and would rather take a long walk on a short plank into the lake of fire right behind Aggie than to spend it with Ronnie and his crowd. I do believe that Dominic learned his humility from the master at it, Ronnie boy himself.  After all, his comments were essentially parroting of Ronnie’s nonsense.  Another example of PKG thinking is on this post by PKG wannabee Aaron Robinson.

Last night was the beginning of the Days of Unleavened Bread and also the Night to be Much Observed.  When I was growing up in RCG/WCG, small groups would get together to share a meal in a member’s home.  Seems that also has changed in the CoGs including within PKG as per a comment left on the Purple Hymnal blog about how Johnny observes it.

False Prophet Ronald Weinland has recorded his high day sermon and is heading over to Australia.  He must have a lot on his mind because he didn’t issue a reminder for holy day special offerings as he usually does.  Perhaps Audra’s testimony is occupying his thoughts these days.

He also announce that after Saturday’s services he had ordained 4 more people in New Zealand.  On Jan 9, he indicated that I was doing them a favor by publishing the first and last names of elders even though he only gave first names.  Looks like Ron really didn’t mean that and doesn’t appreciate my efforts, because he didn’t give even the first names of the four new elders.  With Adrian Gray and the 4 new elders, New Zealand probably now has a higher percentage of elders than does the already high percentage of the rest of PKG.

Ron took some time to address his critics, at 27 minutes into this week’s version of the recording on the PKG website:

I think about people out there who torment themselves listening to me sabbath by sabbath, holy day to holy day.  For no other purpose than to find something wrong.  To find some fault so they can bla bla bla  and they don’t get it, they don’t understand what’s being said….  Those who seek to find fault will always find fault.  They’ll always find something negative and wrong or something to twist and distort, just a little bit.

Well, Ron makes it so easy.  About the ability to find fault. I don’t have to get picky to find fault with what he says.  He puts both feet in and chews on them.  No need to twist and distort.  He is correct about the torment — his sermons are tormenting to listen to.  The only way I can maintain my sanity is to tune out most of his blather, a skill I learned while warming the hard metal folding chair enduring one of False Prophet Herbert Armstrong’s 4-hour Last Great Day sermons.

Later on in his sermon,  Ron was reading from Mark 11:20-24 about faith being able to move mountains.  At 1 hour 46 minutes he followed up these verses with:

But what do you believe?  What is the purpose behind it?  This is a little bit of what I’m trying to convey of recent time about Two Witnesses and what happened.  What happens in certain prophecy in Revelation.  Because the vast majority of those things don’t happen till toward the end. Just as in Christ’s ministry here.  In his period of his ministry, the things that happened on the last few days were immense, indeed.

And so it is in this age we live in right now.   There are going to be things that are reserved toward the end. Because I am who I know I am doesn’t mean I can go out here and ask God and tell God, or say – I wouldn’t do it unless I know and I won’t know until God let’s me know.  When it agrees with God and when it agrees with God’s will.  There are certain things you don’t do in life, unless you know it’s God’s will and God’s purpose.  And so it was with Christ, so it is with all of us, and what we pray about.  You must know something is a matter of God’s will and in agreement with God and then you can pray about it with boldness. In faith.

It’s not a matter of just asking whimsically God to do certain things.  [sarcastically] That if somehow you can whip it up enough – “I’m going to work up this faith and I’m going to ask: Mountain be moved.   And cast into the sea”  And all of a sudden you it plop off the top and take it – I won’t tell you what you’d probably do if you saw that – ‘your loins would be loosed’ is the expression in the old testament.

But see, who is going to do that?  I can tell you who would do it.  Some nutcase, some whacko, some weirdo. Unless you know it’s from God and God’s purpose.  And how can you know that?  If something is written in here and you know it  and you know the timing of it and what the purpose is.  Yes. If you’re at one with God, if there’s a unity and oneness with God here in your life, that he gives it to you, in some sort of way, whatever way that he works with every one of us in life.  Then so be it.  But belief is a matter of faith and how God works in your life and what he’s doing with your life and what his will is.  It doesn’t mean that you go and ask for certain things that aren’t a part of his will.

So Ron, let me ask you this:  Was it God’s will that the thunders would increase in January of 2007 after you asked him to do so in December of 2006?  Was it God’s will that Roderick Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, David Pack, and John Ritebaugh die in response to the curse you placed on them after they ignored the letters you sent them?  Or did they ignore you?  Come on Ron, you’re big on history.  How about posting a copy of the letters you sent them and their responses, if any?

Was it God’s will that “nukular” explosions occur in US port cites in response to your prophesies?

Or did your blather in the sermon only apply to mountains and lottery tickets? Inquiring minds want to know.  And what about Revelation 11:6? Which states:

These [the Two Witnesses] have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The Bible says the Two Witnesses don’t have to wait for an indication of God’s will.  Was it God’s will that caused me to die speedily after you cursed me with death 66 weeks ago? During the first part of your latest sermon after talking about how you were tormenting me, you said:

And that blows my mind, about human nature. And how much human beings will fight against God, and the word of God, and God’s prophets and  God’s teachers.  That’s the way it is.  So if they want to live in misery, I tell them “Go ahead and live in misery. Torment yourself.  Have at it.  I feel sorry for you.  It’s pathetic what you’re doing.

And you’re going to pay for it.’  Some tried to mock and said ‘I hadn’t paid for it yet, I’m still alive’  ….. because it doesn’t happen immediately … some things don’t happen immediately,  … people can say….‘God’s not going to punish me’   Oh, yeah.  Everyone will be judged, in God’s time.  Incredible.

Yes, Ron — I’m going to die.  Just not when and how you said.  And you’re going to die too.  Just not when and how you said, during May of 2012 on the streets of Jerusalem.  That is unless your Jerusalem Syndrome is worse than I thought and you and Laura buy your own airline tickets to Israel and do yourself in.  But wait, that won’t work either — the “beast power” has to do you in.  How will you make that happen?  Spiritually is what history suggests.

Note: in the last episode of “The Simpsons” available for viewing online,  Homer’s goofy neighbor Ned Flanders persuades Homer to travel to the “holy land” where he acquires Jerusalem Syndrome.

The Weinland Witness blog was started by Citizen X a couple of years ago shortly after the first time the first trumpet blew.  About a year ago, Citizen X declared Weinland to be a false prophet when there were no “nukular” explosions within 90 days after the second time the first trumpet blew.

A couple of months ago “Aaron Robinson” started contributing to that blog, and has continued Citizen X’s “rabid Weinland haters” type of rhetoric against people who mock False Prophet Ronald Weinland as do I.

I’m responding to some comments that Aaron made on his blog, so the rest of this is addressed to him:

Aaron, I noticed that you’ve returned to your blog, and I have some questions about some comments you made in the last couple of days.  I’d post my response to your blog, except that Citizen X would delete them.  You said:

• This is one thing that I don’t like about the true Weinland haters …, when they denounce anything and everything that Mr. Weinland says or does,

• Which brings me to another point, because they are so very Hell-bent on tearing on down Mr. Weinland at any and all costs,

Who are “they“, exactly?  Come on, name names.   If you say that “they” (meaning I) denounce everything that Weinland says or does, be prepared to defend that.

And the statement that “they” (meaning I) am so very Hell-bent on tearing down Weinland at any and all costs.  What exactly does that mean?  That I have no boundaries?  If that were true, then it would be amazing that I haven’t taken my 9 mm pistol and at all costs tested Weinland’s Witness Protection Powers, because I obviously know where he lives.

And regarding my alleged destructive tendencies, you said:

• They have a spirit of trying to destroy somebody because they don’t agree with them, even if they are affecting people’s lives.
• … vile spirit that seek to destroy people just because they don’t agree with them

Whom have I sought to destroy just for not agreeing with me?  You obviously don’t agree with me.  Have I sought to destroy you?  Be specific.  Whom exactly have I tried to destroy?  Whose lives am I affecting, and please, no more garbage about my abusing Greg’s children.  It’s Greg who is abusing his children by not supporting them.

When it comes to my blogging about Weinland’s elders, I have demonstrated restraint in posting about them.  Being elders, they are prime examples of Weinland’s effects on his followers.  And as elders should be held to the higher standards mentioned in 1Timothy 3.  FYI, I’m working on yet another elder story I plan to post soon.

And then this statement from you:

I’m glad that most of you on here {on your blog post} don’t share this same vile spirit that seek to destroy people just because they don’t agree with them or because they think that they are liars, because if they really believe in God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible, then there is no excuse to be mean, angry, vile, hostile, scoffing, mocking, ridiculing in any manner towars any other human-being upon this planet Earth, because that goes so very much against what Jesus Christ taught about loving.

Let’s view that statement in light of statements that Weinland has made:

On April 19, 2008 (at 9 minutes into the sermon MP3 on the PKG website), Weinland spouted off:

For those who want to mock, I do forewarn you, you’re going to cease, or you will die. You see, I have a unique job and you just don’t understand what that job is.  So you just don’t understand, you don’t know  the power of God, and what he has given to me to do.  I have a job and God has molded and fashioned me and prepared me with the boldness and the strength and the confidence to do this job.

And my first exercise in use of power that God has granted me in Revelation 11 is to you – you mockers.  To you who mock and ridicule God and his prophets. Truly.  It begins with you, first and foremost. You will be the first to experience some of the things that begin to take place. You don’t have to wait long. For those who mock, again,  from this day forward, by what you say against God’s people, by what you say against the truths of God, by what you say against God’s prophets. You will suffer from sickness that will eat you from the inside out, and you will die. Your death will not be quick.

And on Dec 20, 2008 (at 1 hour 19 minutes into the sermon MP3 on the PKG website), Weinland recursed:

Just like I mentioned back in April, in a sermon.  I had a couple people write, make comment, to let me know that they’re in good health.– but they’re still mocking.  I shake my head a little bit., and I think  – you don’t know what you’re saying.  You don’t know what you’re messing with. So I’m going to say the same thing I said back then, except stronger now, that those individuals who do those kinds of things

Those are the ones who God is going to begin working with early on, the mockers, the scorners, those who hate God.  They’re the ones who are going to lose out on what God is offering.  But not only that, as an example of certain things, because God is going to bring an end to this age, and because of the job he’s going to do even through me, that I certainly call upon those individuals to begin having those very problems I mentioned earlier on.  To die from within.   And not slowly now – speedily.  And there’s only one hope that you have, and that is repentance, and to place yourself at the mercy seat of God.  You know when things begin to happen to people, and things they go through — that’s what all must do.  When different things come on this earth.  You know if people will go before God and ask for God’s mercy, that is your hope.  It doesn’t mean that God’s going to answer you.  It depends on your spirit and your attitude.  And I’m speaking to people who are not a part of the church, but people who like to listen from time to time, and like to mock and make fun.  Well your time is up now.

And God will reveal things to you in a harsh way, because of your spirit and because of your attitude.  And far greater things than these are going to begin happening.  But again, it is beginning.   …. But unlike April, the job has now begun.

So you’re ready to accuse me and other critics of Weinland of being vile.  But not a mention of Weinland who actually attempted to kill me — if he really believes he is a Witness, then he sought to kill me.  Rather vile of him.  And rather hypocritical of you to ignore it.

You criticize my criticism of Weinland’s elders.  Yet you don’t criticize Weinland’s death attempt against elders of competing CoGs.  Being a fan of Weinland, you are well acquainted with the first phase of the Fifth Thunder, right?  Where’s the love there?  And since it’s over 3 years since the publication of his book, where’s the fulfillment of what he self-described as something that would prove him as a prophet?

Let’s review the definition for “vile”: “morally debased, depraved, or despicable”.  Clearly describes Weinland’s death curse on me and his mockers.  Clearly describes Weinland’s Total Resolve Cruise when he’d asked his followers to turn over their live savings.  You spout off about how we should love others, how about turning that rhetoric on Weinland?

“Vile” does not describe what Weinland’s mockers and critics have done.  None have made threats toward Weinland’s health and safety.  While I’ve published pictures of Weinland’s house so people can see how he lives, I’ve not published his address so that people could know where he lives.

So Aaron, here’s your chance to explain yourself and your hypocrisy.  I don’t arbitrarily delete comments just because I don’t agree with their content as does Citizen X.  But please stay on topic, don’t dump your entire pail of lame arguments about every aspect of Weinland.  And be brief — I know it will be difficult for you, but please try.  How about starting out with a discussion of Ron’s demonstration of love toward his enemies.