Next Generation

As the prior post is filling up with comments, it’s time to start another one to continue the conversation.

And since it’s year end, an opportunity to look back.  It’s almost 10 years since the 144,000 were sealed in February of 2008 — except there are yet more to seal.  Almost 5 years since Ron went to prison, and about 2 years since his release.  Just another year of probation to go, perhaps he will have more options for overseas travel.

Ron is already waffling about Christ’s next return scheduled for Pentecost of 2019, and telegraphing that we may possibly have another set of the two witnesses.  If that happens, I expect there to be some continuity with the Weinland family continuing to manage the family false prophecy business.


  • Enough is Enough says:


  • Glad I'm Free says:

    On the position and standing with HWA. How great he did in school. My sister in law was HWA nurse, my brother was lead financial adviser to him. Ron didn’t like it when I said I could pick up the phone and ask for “Grandpa” and get right through, where he could not. Had the same standing when Mr. Tkach was leader. Mr. Tkach’s son was my brothers best man. Ron didn’t like that someone had power that he thought, bragged about having. You know how he always wants to be first.

  • martin says:

    So, not only is Ron a liar and a greedy man and a felon, but he is filled with petty jealousy.

    Yeah, sounds like a man of God.

  • martin says:

    You will know them by their fruits

    1) Lies, can’t help himself IS a liar
    2) Steals, steals from the government owed tax money
    3) Pressures poor people to give hm money
    4) Uses money for selfish lusts
    5) Jealous of other people
    6) Covets other people’s things, covets wealth, covets fame

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    No man
    No Angle
    Or not the Son
    Will know the date or time of return of Christ
    But the asshole knows just like he got everything so far right ! Lol hahaha crooks

  • Ronco says:

    Hey Ron, isn’t this blog awesome!

  • martin says:

    I wonder if that fast Ron had PKG do, was about this site?

    Ron is supposed to wear sackcloth, but he refuses, so this site is meant to keep him humble.

    Can you believe it? A humble lying, thieving, felon!

  • martin says:

    R “If things don’t happen by next January….”

    Pardon my french, but what kind of jackass prophet are we dealing with that would say that?

    Can you imagine Moses saying stuff like that? God would have struck Moses dead if Moses prophesied something that didn’t come true. (of course God was speaking through Moses, so this was an impossibility.)

    How is it, God’s most important prophet of all time, is talking horse manure like this…???



    You are a prophet or are not a prophet.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    January of what year? 2018 or 2019.

  • martin says:

    of 2019 (I thought it was 2018, but it’s next year he was referring to)

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmm liar weinland really is running out of time!!

    Hey! Liar weinland, it is now time to admit that you have been a lying greedy bastard!!!

    Git the guts to do this ol’ boy!?

  • martin says:

    The bible says the GT is 3 1/2 years or 42 months or 1260 days….

    Ron says it’s 50 days.

    Now I don’t wish the GT on anybody, or want to be around for it…

    But who you going to believe? Ronald Weinland the liar?

    Or God, where it’s impossible for Him to lie?

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland learned absolutely NOTHING, by being in jail.

    He’s full on back to the hedonistic lifestyle he grew accustomed to.

    Gallivanting all over the place on church dime. I’m sure he doesn’t eat at McDonald’s.

    I’m pretty sure he gets a good steak or two into his system as well as flies first class.

  • martin says:

    For those of you who can stomach it, his latest sermon (part 2) has been posted.

    I scanned through it…

    So far, Ron has been reading a lot of news, every true prophet I know prophesies the news to come, Ron reads it when it’s history.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron prophesies with a Bible in one hand and a newspaper in the other.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This is one of liar weinland’s hold on his minuscule membership is by hyping the news!! He has done this for the last twelve years.

    He has to keep throwing that bait out there!!! I wonder if liar weinland is going to start hyping his grand lie of June 9, 2019? He has to do something now or it will be to late. He has stated that “if” nothing is started by Jan. 2019 then it is not going to happen ~ we will see, won’t we.

    Beginning to feel the pressure liar weinland? Just like all the other three failures, right?

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, Ron is always throwing out “qualifiers”! If’s, may’s, should’s, potential’s,………….dontcha just love all the weasel words from this “prophet”. Obviously, a true prophet wouldn’t need qualifiers….just be blunt and put it out there with no doubt.

    No If’s, And’s, or But’s.

    Ron it’s now March 2018……………the clock is ticking loudly ain’t it??

  • martin says:

    Can you imagine Moses doing what Ron does?

    Speaking to Pharaoh “Maybe you’ll have a plague tomorrow, there’s a potential for it, but if the Israelites are not ready, then it won’t happen. ”

    God would have struck Moses dead for being a false prophet.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey liar weinland have you ever read Psalm 15 in the New Living Translation!?

    Psalm 15 New Living Translation (NLT)
    Psalm 15 A psalm of David.

    1 Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord? Who may enter your presence on your holy hill?

    2 Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts. OOPS THIS DISQUALIFIES YOU!

    3 Those who refuse to gossip or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends. OOPS THIS DISQUALIFIES YOU!

    4 Those who “despise flagrant sinners”, and honor the faithful followers of the Lord, and keep their promises even when it hurts. OOPS THIS DISQUALIFIES YOU! YOU ARE DEFINITELY A “FLAGRANT SINNER”!!!!!!!

    5 Those who lend money without charging interest, and who cannot be bribed to lie about the innocent. OOPS THIS DISQUALIFIES YOU!!!

    Such people will stand firm forever.




  • martin says:



    You stated yourself that you would be a false prophet if your prophecy concerning the destruction of ports did not come true.

    It did not come true, and you showed how you loved money more than the truth, the very thing you said you would not do. But you did.

  • martin says:

    Like I say, I make a difference between a minister trying his best to figure out prophecy and explain prophecy, but getting it wrong, and one who claims to be a prophet, and speaks “ex cathedra” but gets it wrong.

    If you claim you’re a prophet, and pronounce an “official” prophecy, like Ron did, but then get it wrong. You’re a false prophet. Even Ron knows that, he knew it back then, and said it back then. He got greedy with titles, decided to grab the title of “prophet”, decided to speak on his own authority, and got it ALL completely wrong.

    Ron’s PROOF was the fulfillment of the Thunders and the prophecy on 1/3 of the ports being destroyed. But NONE OF IT CAME TRUE. So it is impossible for Ron to not know he’s a false prophet when he himself said would be, if these prophecies didn’t come true.

  • martin says:

    1) “Official prophecy” : Thunders – didn’t come true
    (note, especially the one regarding Ron being recognized by the world, Ron would have love that, since he’s a narcissist)

    2) “Official prophecy” : 1/3 of shipping ports being destroyed – didn’t come true

    3) “Official prophecy” : 7K dying, 63K joining PKG – didn’t come true

    All 3 were OFFICIAL DECLARATIONS in the office of a prophet by Ron.
    None were fulfilled, so it proves that Ron is a FALSE PROPHET.

  • martin says:

    Also Ronald Weinland is guilty of blasphemy.

    God said that prophets who prophesy falsely are presumptuous.

    Ron corrects God and says he (Ron himself) was not presumptuous.

  • martin says:

    So let’s tally this up…


    1) Narcissistic
    2) Presumptuous
    3) Blasphemer
    4) Habitual Liar
    5) Hedonist
    6) Thief
    7) Felon
    8) Coveter (covets peoples money and position)
    9) False prophet

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    You got it all right Martin

  • Excogger says:

    Martin, you may need to add to your list: Control Freak, Manipulator and Bully….

  • Fooled no More says:

    Don’t forget home-wrecker!

  • martin says:

    I don’t know how much these weekly trips cost, it would be interesting to know just for curiosity’s sake.

    If Ron takes these trips, and there are say, only 10 people in the congregation at that location, then what is the point of spending all that money just to see 10 people?? I would do all the sermons locally, with the live feed. That would be the most cost effective way to do things. I can only assume that Ron loves to travel, otherwise it doesn’t make sense and is very wasteful of money. Ron does not have any public speaking done, you know, that’s what a prophet does. Warns them about what is coming if they don’t repent…etc….No, Ron never does that. Because he’s a false prophet, and has nothing to back up what he says, like Moses did.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron could never admit to making a mistake. If something doesn’t go as planned, he blames God or the congregation for not being ready. He knows the minute he pleads guilty it’s over for him, so he will stick to his lie.Who could POSSIBLY still think he’s a prophet??? The prophets of old even poured water on the altar, but Ron hasn’t gotten even one prediction correct. He’s nothing more than a psychic, full of prophecies that never come true.

  • martin says:

    In a nutshell, Ron stated…
    Ron “All Seven Thunders are given as God’s proof that I am His end-time prophet.”

    1) War/Terrorism
    2) Increased Earthquakes
    3) Bad Weather
    4) Economic troubles
    5) Death (Splinters, famous people, general population)
    6) Notoriety
    7) Rev of Ron’s god to man

    1-4 are too ambiguous, either way, none of it happened in on biblical scale or way.

    The only semi-explicit one is #5 and #6.
    5) Death of ministers in the splinters, a lot of famous people dying, and the general population dying from plagues. Zero happened, in any way Ron said it would.
    6) Of course narcissist Ron would love for #6 to happen, where Ron is noticed by the world at large as a prophet. Didn’t happen. Ron is a spec of dust, unnoticed by the world at large. Ran away with his tail between his legs when a comedian made fun of him at Idea City event.

  • martin says:

    Note what false prophet Ronald Weinland said…

    “ALL Seven Thunders…”

    According to Ron’s own mouth, ALL 7 thunders were to be proof of Ron’s claims.

    Since NONE have happened, it should be logical, right Anthony? That Ron is not what he claims to be. A child can figure out that logic, why is it that grown up adults have trouble figuring it out?

  • martin says:

    Ron’s fantasy….
    “God’s Kingdom Is Closing In, Pt. 3

    We’ve been covering how incredible it is that God has given us so much witness of how final end-time events are coming together rapidly. And from all that’s taking place that we’re able to see around us week by week I’m really quite dumbfounded by it. It’s becoming clearer indeed that which we can see, that God is making evident to us at this time that time, in that respect, is not being held back any longer. I’ll tell you, there are some incredible things taking place and it’s like everything is being set in place and it’s speeding up.”

    I didn’t see anything specific actually mentioned, it’s just “he said so”. No actual evidence of anything that matches anything in the bible.

    It must be something invisible.

  • martin says:

    Demand Evidence!

    Demand Specifics!

    None of the ambiguous mumbo jumbo!

    Mose, the example of a true prophet, WAS SPECIFIC ABOUT EVERYTHING!


  • martin says:


  • martin says:

    Anthony, think hard…think about it…

    Is reading the newspaper, is that a prophet? Does that make one a prophet?

    Or is one like Moses, who prophesied 10 plagues, that all came to pass exactly as he stated, is that a true prophet?


  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, I can remember a sermon where at least half of it was Ron reading from the headlines! I’d say this was back in the 2010-11 timeframe……….I don’t remember the name of it.

    On that note, today is my third anniversary from breaking free of PKG. It was a fine (and early) Sunday morning when I got on my laptop, and sent a letter to Patty Dalrymple and company that I no longer wanted to be a part of PKG.

    To this day, hardly a soul (except one) has ever contacted me to ask about what happened………but I knew even before I sent the letter, that would be pretty much my last contact with anything PKG. It’s been an interesting three years, and I have to say that some of the aftereffects (financially) are still with me. BUT! I get to keep my money where I can see it, and if nothing else it’s made me VERY cynical if not wary of anyone that claims to be a “prophet”.

    Now I think I’ll go cook some bacon to celebrate! 😀

  • Eric says:

    From Ron’s latest sermon –

    Thankfully that’s the case. I made some comments – January, late January, early February we’re going to know whether it’s right now or not.

    And we may know well before that. But that will be the latest. And if it doesn’t then we’ll keep planning forward. At least we’ll have more wisdom and understanding now than ever before.

    I don’t believe what is written in and revealed by God in “Prophecy against the nations” or in the 47th truth any more.

    Just in case you have forgotten what you said –

    “GOD HAS REVEALED the ACTUAL duration for the prophetic “day” when the seven vials of the Seventh Trumpet (Seven Last Plagues) are poured out on the earth. That “prophetic day” consists of the “fifty days” that lead up to and are finally fulfilled by Christ’s coming on PENECOST OF 2019. Only God can reveal the duration of any specific “prophetic day.” God SET ASIDE TWO POSSIBLE DATES for Christ’s coming as King of kings. The first potential date of Christ’s coming was Pentecost of 2012, and God revealed that the “prophetic day” for pouring out the Seven Last Plagues would have literally occurred on that one day of Pentecost. Since the purpose of the plagues being poured out is to “destroy those who are destroying the earth,” God has revealed that over 3.5 billion people would have been destroyed in that single day if this event had occurred in 2012. However, God has moved forward the coming of His Son by EXACTLY seven years to a later date

    You said it
    Rod has revealed to you as a prophet two possible dates for Christ’s coming. He moved the second date forward by exactly seven years. He gave your Prophecy against the nations as a counterpart to the book of revelation where he states this clearly at least 32 times.

    Only you don’t believe that now. You state publicly its a possibility that now there is a third date and it isn’t going to be exactly seven years now, its going to be longer. Your God is not going to do what he said to you he would do. And this isn’t the first time and not the second or not even the third time that this has happened.

    And its the PKG churches fault. Instead of the PKG being the special group with insider knowledge, they actually are the cause of all the confusion and delay. I suspect that Ron’s god is actually very angry with you all because he has had to put off his coming so many times because of your bad behaviour. Boy, are you in trouble!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Once a liar always a liar!!

  • martin says:

    Nowhere in the bible is a prophetic day indicated as 50 days long.

    Ron is making it up as he goes along. It’s just a new lie.

    In addition, Ron has the Great Tribulation occurring after the Great Tribulation ends. So what Ron says is complete nonsense.

    It should be noted that the bible clearly and plainly states that the Beast Leader and the False Prophet BOTH rule for 1260 days. Since neither have appeared yet, we can be confident the 1260 days of the GT has not even begun yet.

    Really both the BL and FP exist before the 1260 days, but it is unclear for how long. But the bible indicates they are around before the start of the GT. So the revival of the Holy Roman Empire must also exist before the 1260 days since that is what the BL and FP rule over.

  • martin says:

    Rev 13:4  And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 
    Rev 13:5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 

    The beast CONTINUES for 42 months, not starts…
    So he must be around for him to continue on for 42 months. How long will he be around before the 42 months? The bible is silent. But the machinations of politics takes time…at least months, most likely 1 or 2 years before the 1260 days starts. But again, we do not know for certain how long, as the bible is completely silent on the timing.

  • Ruby McCormick says:


    Congratulations on your three year anniversary! It is wonderful, isn’t it? And I have fallen in love with bacon again… 😉

    I am also wary of wolves posing as sheep, and that includes anyone who proclaims to know the truth. I have taken on a personal relationship with my maker and I pay no mind to whatever anyone says or thinks in regards to my belief system. I will never forgive him or the family while I remain in my human form. I’m not afraid to say that either.

    Those in the “fold” will not listen to bible banging … they only will follow their heart when their heart finally fails to hear Ron. You cannot force that.

    I wish those entangled in his grip to loosen the hold. Until then, I wait.


  • Enough is Enough says:

    Eric, I have to applaud you for the analysis that you do when it comes to liar weinland. I, personally, have no desire what so ever to read or listen to anything that comes from that liar’s mouth!

    I find interesting that this blog has been proclaiming that liar weinland’s grand lie of 6/9/19 is just that a LIE!!! I am baffled that liar weinland still has a minuscule audience? How can these members continue with this lying fraud is beyond me. I left four years ago and have enjoyed life to its fullest without the many lies that come from weinland’s mouth. Not to mention that we now understand that liar weinland is also backing out of his phony prediction of 6/9/19, how ironic this is!!!!

    The good news is that this liar is running out of time! What a blatant joke this liar is!!

    Like Ruby, I also wait for the awaking to take place with whoever is left. There are times I pity them knowing that they will have to face another embarrassment cause by liar wienland. I have to agree with Eric, they claim to be the “only ones of God’s people on earth” and yet they follow a lying fool!? One who constantly fails at “everything” that comes out of his twisted mind and mouth!

    As this blog has stated for months, June 9, 2019 will come and go as any other day. How tragic and pathetic for those who still believe this lying fool.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland “IF BY JANUARY……”

    When Ron uttered these words, the entire congregation should have gotten up and walked out the door, or better yet, stayed and thrown Ron out the door.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Maybe they will, let’s hope so.

  • Excogger says:

    Martin, I’m confused.
    Is the “If by January” the January of 2018 or 2019?

    Ron always confuses me, especially when he insists on obscure alternate renderings of the Greek or Hebrew. His last sermon transcript was full of incomprehensible assertions…..Much like his “57 Truths”, I suppose.

  • martin says:

    By January of 2019

  • martin says:

    February 17, 2018
    God’s Kingdom Is Closing In, Pt. 1 – Ronald Weinland

    “because the reality is if things don’t begin happening by January or in January this next year I fear TIME IS GOING TO GO ON. We’re going to have ANOTHER period of time. Perhaps A LONGER DAY OF THE LORD,”

    “if”, “I fear”, “perhaps”…How about that for conviction, from false prophet Ron?

  • martin says:

    All I can say is that what happens to PKGers who stay, it is entirely their own fault.

    They are going to be left shattered, and their faith shipwrecked.

  • martin says:

    Ron mentions the Day of the Lord…

    I”m confused, just how many Days of the Lord are there?

    Didn’t we already have two Day(s) of the Lord already? There’s more?

  • Eric says:

    From Prophecy against the nations where he mentions the 2019 date at least 32 times –

    “You may have been drawn to this book because someone you respect, trust, and/or love has told you that it has real answers to what is currently happening in this world and with a warning that has been given for years about these exact events with uncanny accuracy.”

    Only it’s not exact or accurate any more. Ron certainly doesn’t think or believe so.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, all I can do after what I’ve just read is shake my head. 🙁

    As you said, remaining PKG’ers have no one to blame for this MASSIVE failure but themselves. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for some time with the 2012 debacle. But when things got pushed to 2019, and at the same time I was having my own great hardships, I knew it was high time to leave and I’m soooooo glad I did!

    This is sort of like “battered wife syndrome” where the poor woman just can’t seem to leave her abusive husband for whatever reason. Fear, doubts about oneself, ridicule…………..I could go on.

    So terribly sad……………… 🙁

  • martin says:

    I posted some info, but Mike posted a nice chart…

    The 2019 date was supposed to be from God, yet God seem to be bad at math, as there are date errors in Ron’s numerological nonsense that proved Christ was coming back in 2019.

    Ron claims his calculation is unique and impossible to happen by chance, but I listed a whole bunch of dates (without errors) that show otherwise.

  • martin says:

    FNM, aside from asserting a date for Christ’s return, where even Christ Himself doesn’t know it, or even the angels, were you aware of the math errors in Ron’s faulty calculations? Do you know if this was or is generally known in PKG? (that is when you were still there).

  • eric says:

    Ron said –

    “We have been given a great deal already concerning the unfathomable scale for the mathematical probabilities of so many events and timing to occur as they have been since the 17th of December in 1994 (the day of the Apostasy) to Pentecost of 2019 that it truly staggers the mind to try to grasp it all.”

    Now he says –

    “because the reality is if things don’t begin happening by January or in January this next year I fear TIME IS GOING TO GO ON. We’re going to have ANOTHER period of time. Perhaps A LONGER DAY OF THE LORD,”

    He has stated publicly several times now –

    – He doubts 47th truth given to him by his God
    – He doubts the Prophecy against the nations book given to him by his God
    – There could be another explanation for the unfathomable scale for the mathematical probabilities give to him by his God

    PKG members open your eyes. You don’t have to wait till 2019 to see. Ron is already doubting what he has told you God has given him.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron always has “God progressively reveals” and “the Present Truth (TM)”.

    So long as people keep buying it, Ron will keep selling it. At least as long as he’s able. After that, the next generation of Weinlands will sell it.

  • martin says:

    God is not only bad at math, but apparently doesn’t understand plurality.

    Ron has to correct God, God only mentions the one Day of the Lord, while Ron has multiple DayS of the Lord. We should be thankful for Ron correcting God.

  • martin says:

    Plus the Day of the Lord keeps constantly morphing…

    First it’s 24 hours.

    Then it’s a year long.

    Then it’s another year long.

    Now it’s 50 days.

    But tomorrow it will be extended to X.

  • martin says:

    Ron said –

    “We have been given a great deal already concerning the unfathomable scale for the mathematical probabilities of so many events and timing to occur as they have been since the 17th of December in 1994 (the day of the Apostasy) to Pentecost of 2019 that it truly staggers the mind to try to grasp it all.”


    You mean the timing that has dating errors? That uses two arbitrary fudge numbers? That IS NOT unique in occurrence either when using the fudge number or not using this cheat of having fudge numbers?

  • Byker Bob says:

    The math seems to be laid out in the Bible for all that happens after the tribulation begins. The guesswork on the part of all of these Armstrongite “prophets” seems to involve the math in determining when the tribulation will start. This is where they try to calculate when man’s 6,000 years (and 6,000 years is an extrabiblical theory in and of itself!) is up. If the 6,000 year theory were correct, and if that part were also subject to math, Jesus would certainly have known the exact date and time! But, it’s not, and He didn’t! That part is determined by the level of condition to which the Father will allow mankind to sink before pullng the plug. This is the factor that makes it something that man cannot know. Any man who makes successive guesses that turn out wrong simply has no clue. In the ebb and flow of mankind, it can appear that man has reached the final depths of depravity, and then at the last moment, something happens to turn it around, there still are some righteous ones, and for their sake, God does not cue the end time. No-one knows. Once the trib kicks in, then the math in the Bible kicks in and everyone can know. It’s so simple, unless someone has set out to exploit, deceive, and defraud.


  • martin says:

    ” If the 6,000 year theory were correct, and if that part were also subject to math, Jesus would certainly have known the exact date and time! But, it’s not, and He didn’t! That part is determined by the level of condition to which the Father will allow mankind to sink before pullng the plug.”

    Very good point!

  • Billy says:

    Mike, they cannot buy or sell without the mark.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, in a word no. I wasn’t quite paying attention to the faulty “math” that Ron was giving and in fact, whenever we would try to figure out what was going on, magically in a sermon Ron would point out how we shouldn’t try to figure out “God’s Timing” as he put it.

    This is the reason for all the backpedaling IMO. I think that people ARE questioning what he’s saying now, and that’s why you’re hearing more and more about “threats”. It’s high time that this fool be called out for what he is………….a lying, totally corrupt man who should be stripped of every thing he owns.

    Save for the tithe payers, he shouldn’t even be walking around with even the underwear he has on. 😮

  • martin says:

    Somebody recently reposted a link to Mike’s chart with all the inconsistencies and math errors in it. I had posted some multiple repeats (at least 8) of Ron’s so called unique timings, between 1996-2024. The only reason it was 8 and not more was due to the shortness of the time frame I used, there would have been more.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    You hit the mark on that one!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Billy you misunderstood what Mike was referring to.

    Mike was referring to the selling of all of liar weinland lies. As long as there are people who believe his lies this is the bill of goods liar weinland is selling them.


  • martin says:

    If you have about or 8 occurrences over the 28 year period (1996-2024), that would be every 3.5 years you could have the full time sequence done perfectly.

    That is using 7 * 1260 + 70 + 50, you could slot the whole time frame between Holy Days perfectly every 3.5 years. More without using the fudge numbers of 70 and 50.

    Over a century, you would have about 28 occurrences (that is, if it indeed can occur on average of 3.5 years, and I think it would) .

    I posted some of this info recently…..I forget which blog post it was in…

  • Enough is Enough says:


    Your prophesy of liar weinland making his announcement of the failure of 6/9/19 will probably happen.

    It amazes me that there are many more prophets here than in weinland’s cult!!

  • martin says:

    Ach….I think my math assessment is wrong, the frequency is not every 3.5 years but higher…..

  • martin says:

    OK, the frequency AVERAGE is about every 6 months, this is the average I got, not the exact timing of when but the average of when.

    So every 6 months (on average), you could slot the whole sequence between two Holy Days.

  • martin says:

    Here is the sequence of 8 I got (1996-2024).

    UnleavenedBread…Atonement(8940) => [4/7/1996] – [9/28/2020]
    FeastofTabernacles…Passover(8940) => [10/4/1996] – [3/27/2021]
    LastGreatDay…UnleavenedBread(8940) => [10/5/1996] – [3/28/2021]
    LastGreatDay…Passover(8940) => [10/23/1997] – [4/15/2022]
    UnleavenedBread…Atonement(8940) => [4/14/1998] – [10/5/2022]
    UnleavenedBread…Atonement(8940) => [4/4/1999] – [9/25/2023]
    UnleavenedBread…Atonement(8940) => [4/21/2000] – [10/12/2024]
    UnleavenedBread…FeastofTabernacles(8940) => [4/26/2000] – [10/17/2024]

  • martin says:

    Take the last start date and subtract the first start date to get 1480 days

    4/26/2000 – 4/6/1996 = 1480 days

    Divide by the number of occurrences, which is 8.

    1480 / 8 = 185 days…

    So this sequence occurs ON AVERAGE not exactly, on average 185 days, or ABOUT every 6 months.

  • martin says:

    If this average time held over a century of time, and I think it would…

    That would mean that over a century of time, you would have about 200 occurrences of Ron’s sequence (7 * 1260 + 70 + 50) slot between two Holy Days.

    (note, I slot the whole sequence between 2 Holy Days, Ron’s sequence is not even slotted between 2 Holy Days, plus there are calendar errors)

  • Billy says:

    EiE, I understand. That is why I said what I said.

  • martin says:

    Can somebody explain why Ron chooses 17th of December in 1994 as the day of the Apostasy?

    Mr Tkach gave the big doctrinal change sermon on xmas eve of 1994. So why is the 17th of December used by Ron?

  • martin says:

    In addition, the vast majority of the WWCoG didn’t even receive this sermon until Jan 7, of 1995.

    “Tapes of Tkach’s sermon (dated January 7, 1995) were delivered to local congregations for viewing. In this sermon, ” (wiki)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Tkach first preached his New Understanding in Atlanta on Dec 17, 1994. But that sermon was not recorded and in fact he wasn’t able to talk as long as he wanted because the hall required them to leave by a certain time.

    One week later he again delivered the sermon in Big Sandy (the “Christmas Eve sermon”) and a recording of that sermon is what was sent out to all the other congregations (after some edits were applied).

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Thanks Billy ~ just checking

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Does anyone know if liar weinland has ordered his clown suites for himself, family, Johnny, and Wayne??

    The weinland three ring circus is about to begin!! Actually it already has.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Here is a quote just for you liar weinland:

    “… you can fool all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time …”

    Welcome to your epitaph liar weinland!!

  • martin says:

    That some PKGers KNOW that Ronald (convicted thief and felon) Weinland is a flat out liar surprised me.

    Why on earth would you listen to a liar? It makes no sense to me. You’re allowing you mind to be poisoned willfully by this guy when you listen to him, knowing he’s a liar.

  • martin says:

    I keep saying, don’t prophets prophesy??? There’s not a single true prophet in the bible that didn’t prophesy.

    Ron the liar’s book “Prophesy Against the Nations: A Final Commission”, even the liar Ron knows that prophets prophesy.

    But as yet, Ron is not prophesying anything. I guess he was too embarrassed by his earlier failures as a prophet.

    Now EVEN RON KNOWS he made some FALSE prophecies, because he tried to make excuses for them…when no ports got destroyed….

    First he tried to backpedal and say the “oil leaks” were the fulfillment, but that guranteed the “oil leaks” would be plugged. Since God does not listen to false prophets, he turns what they say into lies. So the oil leaks stopped.

    Then Ronanld the slime Weinland said that the economic issues were sort of a fulfillment, but then that panned out.
    (worse yet, he used the passages on bad fruit + bad trees + burning grass and interpreted them as “economic trouble”, but the passage on bad fruit/bad trees had nothing to do with “money”, it had to do with false prophets)

  • martin says:

    Quickie question, on these trip by Ronald the weasel Weinland, what is the general practice?

    Do they meet up in a rented hall? Or do they meet up at somebody’s house?

    To do a live broadcast, there is a lot of setup for that, who does the tech stuff for this? I don’t think Ron would be doing it, as he is too lazy, and his wife is too incompetent and lazy as well (she’s too busy counting money she can use to buy erotic panties).

  • Ronco says:

    I think Ron just reserves the hotel conference room.

  • Fooled no More says:

    Ronco, that’s correct. Every time I’ve been somewhere to see Ron and company, it was in a conference room. I’m sure over the years, those rooms have gotten ever smaller. Probably to the point they could rent a small room for that matter. I can tell you that from the time I first went to see Ron and Laura (January ‘09) to mid 2014 when only Laura was coming. The numbers were DEFINITELY smaller……..and it was whispered among us about those we didn’t see any longer.

    When I went to an organized service, it was mostly in a hotel suite….. enough to hold 20 people perhaps. Once again, MUCH smaller numbers than what I saw in the early days. Last organized service I would have went to would have been in the January/February 2015 time frame…..just before I called it quits.

  • martin says:

    R “On down in verse 8—For it is the Day of (time for) the Eternal’s vengeance.
    After 6,000 years of this now it’s time. Things are going to be corrected and set right. …and THE YEAR of recompenses. ”

    I always find it amusing when Ronald the thief Weinland reads stuff, and is totally clueless to what he’s reading.

    Ron has been waffling back and forth over the Day of the Lord (or alternately the Day of the Eternal’s vengeance)…
    Back in 2011/2012 abouts, whenver the last year of those 3 1/2 years was. I had mentioned to some PKGer in another forum, that the Day of the Lord was one year long, but not just that, but that the DOTL started out with the Sun/Moon sign to indicate it had begun (sun turning black, moon turning blood red). So the “last year” of the GT had begun, so what happened with the Sun/Moon sign? It had not occurred, so then if followed that the DOTL had not begun yet. I figured that the poster was some upper level PKGer, because soon after that, I think a couple of weeks, Ron came up with his “excuse” sermon for why the Sun/Moon sign had not occured at the start of the final year. He tried to come up with this grotesque interpretation of the Hebrew where the Sun/Moon sign didn’t occur BEFORE (pre-“face”) the DOTL but that it was the “face” of the DOTL so that it would occur later. Well, it an absurd and stupid explanation.
    Ron later waffled, and stated the DOTL was the last 24 hours of the 3 1/2 years. Then after that, he waffled again (since nothing happened) and went back to the 1 year long DOTL stance….Then he added another year (as nothing happened). Now it’s 50 days long.

    It’s hard to keep track of all these lies. Management of lies is a difficult thing.

    At any rate, back to what I was saying, Ron reads stuff, and is clueless to what he’s reading, because Ron says the DOTL is the last 50 days, but here he reads the plain bible verse that states it’s “THE YEAR of recompenses”. So it’s plainly a year long, and not 50 days. Ron the waffler can never keep it straight himself.

  • martin says:

    The verse Ron is referring to is

    (Isa 34:8 KJV)  For it is the day of the LORD’S vengeance, and THE YEAR of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

  • martin says:

    Quiz time…how do we know that the DOTL is not a literal 24 hours? (of course Isa 34:8 indicates it’s a year long, but what else tells us that it is not a literal 24 hours?)

  • martin says:

    But OF COURSE by Jan. 2019, and most likely before that, Ron will come up with a new lie explaining how time will yet again be extended. He’ll probably hint at it around Feast time….anybody keeping the Feast with him and with PKGers will be susceptible to new lies. (Keeping the FOT is certainly ok, it’s keeping it inside of PKG where they are drowning in lies that is the problem).

  • eric says:

    Ron in full throttle doing some income protection in the latest posted sermon

    “Do you love it? Are you excited by that? Are you motivated by it? Are you on fire and zeal in it? Or are you doing things that you should not do? Are you starting to let down and coast? Are you not tithing as you should?
    That one there still blows my mind! How can anyone do that to God Almighty? Steal from God! I don’t comprehend that. I don’t! In God’s Church?! ”

    Pay your tithing to a Prophet that continues to tell you specific things that his God tells him, only for his God to change his mind again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.

    I don’t comprehend that. I don’t!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Soooo the lying thief weinland is crying about money!!! This is now becoming a common occurrence, isn’t it!!

    I applaud the ones who have withheld their hard earned cash from the lying thief. All you have to do is to analyze the thief’s overhead. His phony organization pays for hall rentals and a salary to family member only!! The rest of the cash goes to the lying thief himself. Have you every wonder why liar weinland “does not” publish an annual audit to the membership like most churches do!? WOW! What a revelation that would be!!!!! I will tell you now that liar weinland would NEVER provide an annual audit to is membership because the real truth would be uncovered!!! Liar weinland is stealing from you for his own personal gain!!!!!

    I am of the opinion that the membership “should” demand an accounting and if it was not provided then I would “not” pay one more penny until the annual accounting was provided!!!! The fact of the matter is this: the membership of weinland’s cult is supporting this liar’s lifestyle while he is still lying and stealing from them!!!!

    Hey! Liar weinland! Is the financial noose getting tighter around your neck to the point that you are accusing your dwindling membership that they are cheating God when in reality it is really you that they are cheating!!!! God and His Son have nothing to do with you and that is obvious because absolutely nothing that came form you mouth has ever happened!!! The fact of the matter is this: THEY DO NOT KNOW YOU!!!!

    Remember this liar weinland because this is what is happening to you: “… you can fool all the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time …”

    All you can do now is whine and cry because the money is drying up!!!!

  • martin says:

    R “How can anyone do that to God Almighty? Steal from God!”

    I laugh at Ron for accusing others of stealing, the guy did hard time for it.

  • Ozymandias says:

    If the congregation ever demanded an annual report from Ron, he would quit. He would claim they didn’t trust him and if they don’t trust him , he’s out. The churches tithes pay the Weinland clan first and everything else second. He would have people meeting in basements before he would sacrifice a dime of his own money. He and his family are ENTITLED to this money. Ron has 4 years of college to prove it.

  • Fooled no More says:

    My message to Ron is this…….keep threatening your members with putting them out for “cheating God”! ‘Cuz here’s the deal….. you put too many of them out and WHOOPS! There’s goes your cash cows! You can’t have it both ways! Either you take what they give you, or you and Laura will just flat be out of money!

    Obviously the threats must not be working because your calls for “more faithful tithing”, are getting more shrill each time! So what will it be?? Threats or accept humbly, threats or accept humbly, threats or……..

    You know the alternative! Your choice, your move!

  • Excogger says:

    It’s not that Ron & Co. are entitled to be financially supported, if a member fails to tithe he has lost his salvation. The non-tithepayer is, according to Ronism, disobeying the “Government of god”TM, and will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire if he does not humbly repent and cough up. Tithing is, according to Ronism, one of the “Test Commandments”, the faithful observance of which is imperative to please Ron’s god and be assured of salvation.

    What a total and utter crock of cr*p !

    Dear PKG members: why don’t you get off your lazy spiritual backsides and check out in Leviticus, etc. just WHO is to pay the tithe, WHEN it was paid, TO WHOM it was paid and WHY? Ronism has twisted and perverted the tithing laws for personal gain, and no other reason. Check it out: Jesus and the disciples NEVER paid the tithe. Old Covenant tithing has been impossible since 70AD. Ron’s financial demands amount to a Membership Fee and he knows it.

    It’s not a question of obedience to the Government of god TM, it’s what you, dear members, have to contribute to enjoy the three-ring circus Ron & Co call “THe One True Church”.

  • martin says:

    Outside of Ron’s clan, I do not believe anybody receives any kind of salary.

    Now, I forget, for these trips for the elders, do they get reimbursed for these meetings?

    Or do they have to pay for the hotel stays out of their own pocket?

    Whoever maintains the website or does the translations, I’m sure only get a mere pittance for their work. I think the translations are outsourced?

    I believe that the top splinters salary many of their workers and ministers. With Ron, Ron wants it all, is greedy for all of it. And worst of all, does not spend more than a penny for any big media outlets (radio, tv, magazine).

  • Excogger says:

    I know of one PKG member who translates for Ron and is paid; how much I have no idea.

  • Fooled no More says:

    Martin, IIRC Ralph Dowd made a point about how all the expenses came out of HIS pocket when he was testifying in Ron’s trial. Travel, hotels airfare (if any) all paid on his dime…..not Ron’s. There was a bone of contention between him and Johnny about that very thing as Ralph was expected to pay some sort of money for something when he left. Ralph pretty much told him to “shove it” to put it mildly.

    At least that’s the story as I can remember it…..details may vary as well as your mileage!

    I need look no further when it was told to me (through someone else) that I needed THREE estimates before the church would consider paying any money for any dental work I needed. Well it wasn’t long after that when I decided to leave that I pretty much told them to SHOVE IT and had the work done myself WITHOUT their help. I’m about certain when Ron needed dental work done, he had it all done and DID NOT get three estimates!

    All paid for by courtesy of COG-PKG!

  • martin says:

    If you wanted to be in the audience for the trial, that’s one thing, but if you were going to give any testimony or legal aide, I can’t imagine not being reimbursed for such aide. Only lying, thieving, greedy, money grubbing people would not reimburse people for their legal help and aide.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Since Ralph was retired and living in the Cincinnati area, I doubt that he had significant travel expenses to the trial. Also, it was the government that called him to testify, not the defense. As I understand it, Ralph did follow Ron around on his travels at his own expense, once even having to eat an air fare when Ron cancelled his own announced plans at the last minute.

  • martin says:

    I forget, is Ralph still with PKG?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ralph left PKG not long after sitting in the courtroom during Ron’s sentencing hearing.

  • Fooled No More says:

    From what was told to me right after I left PKG, Ralph left on his own……..he was NOT disfellowshipped as per Ron and Laura! That was a lie told on their part to discredit him as he was probably THOROUGHLY DISGUSTED about what he heard and saw.

    Laura had furthered this lie by saying that Ralph had dementia and didn’t know what he was talking about during the trial. Really Laura?? ‘Cuz last I knew Ralph is doing quite well thank you, and in fact is very much alive and kicking! Gets in his car and goes about his business…………kinda hard to do that with dementia dontcha think??

    Mike, you’re totally correct. Ralph paid EVERYTHING out of his own pocket and I doubt seriously he was ever reimbursed for the time and money he spent traveling to and fro. And yes, I do remember the incident about Ralph eating the airfare………..I don’t remember why Ron cancelled, but I heard about the flap of Ralph having to eat that plane ticket.

    I’ll bet he was never reimbursed for that either!

    So yeah, just goes to show how ungodly, woefully selfish Ron and Laura truly are. I’m loving seeing the months whizz by and Ron shown to be the HUGE total fraud as he always has been, and wondering what huge lie he’ll have to come up with next to explain away why things haven’t happened yet AGAIN!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    As a federal witness, Ralph received $40/day plus travel expenses, whatever the IRS mileage rate was at the time for the travel to and from his home in the Cincinnati area.

    IIRC, Johnny testified for Ron and probably paid for his expenses himself.

  • martin says:

    FNM “I’m loving seeing the months whizz by and Ron shown to be the HUGE total fraud as he always has been, and wondering what huge lie he’ll have to come up with next to explain away why things haven’t happened yet AGAIN!”

    R “IF by January, nothing happens…..” <— LOL…..what a load of horse manure.

    Can you imagine Moses…."If by tomorrow you don't get a plague of locusts…."

    At that point, the next thing you would see is a black smoldering smudge on the floor.

    The death penalty still holds for false prophets like Ronald Weinland, but the when and the who carries it out, is changed in the NT.
    The when : at Christ's Return
    The whom : the reapers (angels)

    The NT indicates that they are not removed earlier, to help mitigate the shipwrecking of the faith of a lot of followers. This is why it is done at Christ's Return. It is done by angels as they will know who the false prophets are, and not make the mistake of taking the wrong people.

  • martin says:

    (bible verses)
    Mat_13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
    Mat_13:39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Fooled no more, this unbalanced arritude toward people having issues was always a bone of contention for me. You’re paying 3 or 4 hundred a month in tithes and can’t afford dental care or a better car. We were sad fools contributing to the cog lifestyle. We were told to have faith and just keep paying the tithe no matter what. If you struggled , you had to tell them all about your financial woes like children, so he could make fun of people in a sermon. This cut through me every time he screeched about not wanting to see the financial condition of SOME PEOPLE. No Ron, you really wouldn’t. People with less education, less opportunity, people who may have made a few mistakes in their lives. YES , FINANCIAL MISTAKES! People who may struggle every day to catch up. Go without a decent car, good teeth, good food, better clothes, new glasses, while you pay for lasic surgery for your daughter, pay her rent , buy them cars and live the good life as a PROPHET that prophesies nothing. This is the legacy of the cogs. Ron is just enjoying his place at the table. All you have to do is convince stupid, loyal and loving people that if they don’t send you 10 percent of their income they have no place with God. Vipers and liars all of them. God is so much more than they will ever know. Happy Sabbath to all who keep it in true sense of what God intended.

  • martin says:

    One thing I’ve noticed, of course not every ex-PKGer posts here, but I noticed that when an upper teer PKGer leaves, none of them post here. I think maybe only one ex-elder posts here (I forget who). But that the “plain vanilla” non-titled PKGer has no problems posting here.

    It would be nice if more ex-PKGers posted their reasons for leaving, which might be different than others.

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