Next Generation

As the prior post is filling up with comments, it’s time to start another one to continue the conversation.

And since it’s year end, an opportunity to look back.  It’s almost 10 years since the 144,000 were sealed in February of 2008 — except there are yet more to seal.  Almost 5 years since Ron went to prison, and about 2 years since his release.  Just another year of probation to go, perhaps he will have more options for overseas travel.

Ron is already waffling about Christ’s next return scheduled for Pentecost of 2019, and telegraphing that we may possibly have another set of the two witnesses.  If that happens, I expect there to be some continuity with the Weinland family continuing to manage the family false prophecy business.


  • Byker Bob says:

    Wowza! I’m thinking that if Ron has a new set of “two witnesses”, next thing you know, he’ll write a booklet showing that over the past 2,000 years, there were always two witnesses that were part of the true church. Kind of like pretending that the Waldenses and Petrobrucians and others were eras of the church by bending a few details here and there and making up others.


  • martin says:

    Here’s a trick question….I’ll post the answer later…some may know the answer…

    Why are there two witnesses? Why not just one witness? Or maybe even three witnesses?

    I promise that Ronald Weinland is clueless, and wouldn’t know the answer. I say this based on certain factors, that are part of the answer, so I won’t say what it is right now.

    (I’ll probably post the answer tomorrow)


  • Byker Bob says:

    If I had to make an educated guess about two witnesses, I’d say it follows the minimum pattern established in Deut. 19:15, and reconfirmed in 2 Cor. 13:1. There were two witnesses heralding in the New Covenant, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ. It’s a principle indicative of God’s character and perfect sense of justice!

    By the way, folks, best wishes for a happy, prosperous, blessed, and spiritually enlightening New Year! I’m not as frequent a flyer on this blog as I am on one of the others, but I love you guys and gals and wish you all the best!


  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Happy New Year , B.B.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Happy New Year everyone!


    We’ve all seen how wild 2017 has been………….I predict that 2018 will be even wilder in regards to PKG. We’re getting ever closer to the huge “letdown” that June 9, 2019 will be. I’m actually looking forward to this as the year draws on, how Ron will spin his way out of this huge lie.

    I’ll place a small wager too that we’re going to see a “change” in leadership there that won’t be so easily covered up. If I’m wrong………hey! I’ll be the one to point it out and I won’t try to get myself out of it like a certain Pastor we know. 😉

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year to All who post here!!

    To “Liar Weinland” let this be a dark and lonely year for you and your side kick wife!!!

    FNM, this will be a new year of lies lies and more lies from liar weinland and it will be interesting and entertaining to see what will take place this year regarding pkg!

    tick tock tick tock to the great disappointment of june 9, 2019!!!!

  • martin says:

    “If I had to make an educated guess about two witnesses, I’d say it follows the minimum pattern established in Deut. 19:15, and reconfirmed in 2 Cor. 13:1”

    Yes, the minimum legal/biblical requirement is both the OT and the NT, was two witnesses. But there is one more part, in matters that dealt with a death penalty, the two minimum witnesses was required. The Two Witnesses will be given the power to put their enemies to death, thus, this two minimum count was absolutely required.

    So, when Ron calls his wife the “silent witness”, he invalidates his claims to being one of the two witnesses. If you do a bible study/search on “witness”, you’ll find all these witness laws that Ron violates, thus his claims are meaningless. Try bringing a “silent witness” to court, and see how much laughter you’ll ensue.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, “silent witness” was a moniker I attached. But all the necessary attributes were given by Ron.

  • martin says:

    I thought Ron called his wife the silent witness…anyway…..

    I believe he put it this way though, she’s a witness to my witness. It’s horse manure of course. Bring a witness to court and tell them they are a witness to your witness and see what kind of response you’ll get.

    Laura does not testify, which invalidates both “witnesses”.

  • martin says:

    Passing down the mantle of Two Witnesses, may be Ron’s strategy, but his kids do not have really great speaking skills. I haven’t heard Jeremy, how are his skills? I’m pretty sure Audra will never speak publicly, her overall skill set is just about collecting the pay from the mail, that’s about it.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland is supposed to be a prophet, his wife is supposed to be a prophet, Audra is supposed to be a prophet….

    Like I say, don’t prophets prophesy? Ron’s “final commission” is to prophesy against the nations, so…where are the prophecies?

    Just another pile of horse manure lies from Ron. Ron hands out titles to himself, to his wife, to his daughter, all meaningless titles and are a bunch of hot wind.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    well well well liar weinland, it is now the year of 2018!

    I have a question for you, “why is it that the global community hasn’t heard from you?” Let’s see, hummm, didn’t you state that you would be empowered on November 2015 while you were still in prison? What has happened? Where are you liar weinland? The last time we heard from was right here when you were masquerading as “anthony” and then you ran away like a cowering dog!! WOW! Is this the way a true prophet of God is to behave? Oh I forgot, you are a false lying make believe self proclaimed prophet and that is why you run like a coward. Got It!!

    I guess the night sweats are getting difficult for you now. You know that time is running out for you liar weinland and YOUR great disappointment of 6/9/19 will be here before you know it. I am actually waiting for April of this year (2018) to start the countdown to your GREAT Disappointment!! I am starting at this month because of your faulty count of fifty days!! OH WHAT FUN THIS IS GOING TO BE!!!!

    Well so much for the power of a false lying “want-a-be” prophet. You really are a laughable delusional fool weinland! Hey! I have a great idea! Why don’t you come back to this blog as your real self and let’s have some fun debating what you think you are! I am up for it are you? Or are you going to keep hiding in the bushes like you have been doing all of these years!

    Great way to start the new year liar weinland!!

  • martin says:

    (Rev 11:10 KJV)  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

    I’m sure that false prophet Ronald Weinland would LOVE to torment the whole planet earth. What an ego booster that would be for narcissistic Ron. He would be gleeful if he had the ability to do that.

    But he doesn’t.

    The real TW’s will be on the world stage, everybody will be aware of them, and will hate them. The TW’s are not going to be back in the closet somewhere, where nobody will know about them. Ron wants to be known by the world, feared by the world, and more importantly tithed to by the world. Ron would love to have millions of tithers to him, imagine all the fine jewelry and paintings, and exotic underwear you could buy will all those millions of tithe dollars. Ron WOULD NOT SPEND IT on something silly like tv broadcasts or news paper ads or radio time, warning the world. No, that would be a waste of tithe money. Better to spend it on exotic underwear or to maybe add an addition to the house, while there’s still time to enjoy it, or maybe get a bigger house a bigger mansion, befitting God’s most formidable prophet of all time.

    Am I right????? I think Ron would agree about that last part.

  • martin says:

    Where is coward Anthony? Why did he run away? What is he afraid of?

    Can’t he stay awhile and discuss all the prophecies that Ron has fulfilled, proving he is what he said he was?

    Oh wait………

  • Fooled no More says:

    Nope, “Anthony” has disappeared like a fart in the wind! 😉

  • martin says:

    (Rev 11:3 KJV)  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    Ron speaks once a week, his gossipy lazy wife doesn’t speak at all. If she did speak “from the podium”, she would be in violation of the NT prohibition against women doing so.

    So we have multiple failures of prophecy from Ronald Weinland
    1) Ron only speaks once a week
    (the prophecy says that the TWs will speak/preach/prophesy for 1260 days.)

    2) Laura the other supposed witness, doesn’t preach at all, so this violates the prophecy. If she did speak, she would violate the clear prohibition against women preaching.

    3) Only Ron preaches.
    (the prophecy is CLEAR, it states that BOTH witnesses prophecy, NOT JUST ONE)

    How many failed prophecies does Ron have to fulfill before you call him a false prophet?????

  • martin says:

    An Extraordinary 4 ½ Years, Part 5….27mins into youtube sermon…

    Ron mentions how “far too many since the FOT…who are no longer with us”

    So more have left false prophet Ronald Weinland. Now, I do wonder why they left after the FOT? Instead of say, before? Was there some sermon at the FOT, that made them finally realize that Ron was a false prophet? Where in the bible, where you have the Great Tribulation does it say, you’re still going to be able to attend a FOT site, while millions around you are dying, from war, from famine, from disease, from animal attacks? How ludicrous. During such a time, nobody is going to be able to travel like normal or attend a FOT site like everything was hunky dorie and normal.

    But again, I wonder if something at the FOT spurred them to finally leave, or maybe they got into a fight, and about what? About Ron’s failure as a prophet? Ron does mention infighting, now was this at the FOT or at local services? I presume at the FOT since most would not be able to gather at local services since they are too few and too scattered to do that normally.

    Hey, EiE, did you hear that! More infighting! More people leaving! Great news!

  • martin says:

    An Extraordinary 4 ½ Years, Part 5, 25:30mins
    Ron talks about people hollering at each other or saying bad things about each other.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron is an asshole and LaurA da gossip bitch taught them all to talk against each other they like it that way !

  • Fooled no More says:

    Hmmmm…….Could it be those that are hollering at each other are bickering due to “disagreements” over Weinlands lies??

    You’ve got those that believe and hang on every word, and you’ve got those that are having their dilusions shattered. Those that are “awake” are perhaps trying to talk sense into those that are not??

    2018’s starting off with a bang ain’t it?? 😉

  • Fooled no More says:

    Ha! Interesting that comments are disabled on the videos! Sure they are!

    He knows he would get SKEWERED with every lie he tells!

  • martin says:

    I believe you can still click on the “thumbs down”

  • Randy Terlecki says:
  • Enough is Enough says:


    I do find the internal turmoil to be of great interest and, no doubt, it will worsen and continue right on up to liar weinland’s Great Disappointment of 6/9/19!!

    FNM, no doubt there are two camps in liar weinland’s organization. As you have stated, one who still believes in liar weinland and the other being the ones who are waking up to all of liar weinland’s lies, miss-truths, and claims of being something he IS NOT!! Then you probably have the thug elders trying to gain control of the developing rebellion and they are not doing a great job of quelling the great storm of 2018 and 2019!! Do you really think that the “elder women” are going to be able to control a bunch of “pissed off men”!!! Sorry ladies, I am not being chauvinistic, but you know as well as I do, you will be ignored by the male REBELS and that is just the way things are!!! That is why God has men in positions of authority for this very reason!! Women have never had true authority over men and if they did it was temporary. Do you not believe what is stated in Genesis 3:16 (he shall rule over you)!? OH WAIT A MINUTE!, liar weinland changed that didn’t he! Well well well so much for that lie and failure when the real trouble starts and gains ground with the membership! Be careful ladies how you try to deal with pissed offed men – you will not win that one! Are you paying attention to this laura – your day is ending as well!!


    WHAT THE HELL WEINLAND!! THROW THEM ALL OUT!!!! OOOPS, you can’t do that because that would lead to bankruptcy – wouldn’t it liar weinland.

  • martin says:

    Of course there are women in the bible who are great examples of faith for both sexes.

    As far as Church government, as alluded to, the men were to be in authority not the women. Now OF COURSE this did not mean men could lord it over the women, or even the men. This is how God established it.

    Now RON….is smarter than God. So Ron over-road the rules that God had in place, and decided to put women in authority.

    I do love how Ron shoots himself in the foot all the time.

    First he made his wife the second Witness, and she is a “silent witness”. So being silent, she abdicates the rules of witnessing, and thus invalidates Ron’s claim. On the other hand, what if she were not a “silent witness”? That would invalidate Ron’s claims as well, since she would be preaching from the pulpit, in clear violation of God’s commands to do so. So even if the bible were silent on explicitly mentioning the Two Witnesses genders, you could determine it based on these biblical teachings.

  • Eric says:

    Ron talks about people leaving the PKG at least three different places in “Extraordinary 4½ Years, Pt. 5”. Its really on his mind.

    And I note he mentions “Johnny and Myrtle” by name twice. I wonder if he did that because he reads this blog and read our comments about them? It looks like they are still drinking the flavor aid.

    Unlike Ron, I am happy to admit that I was wrong and have read past the mark and over interpreted his words.

    But that’s something Ron will never be able to do about his teachings.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Sad thing that Johnny and Myrtle are still clinging on to this nonsense. I’d hope that they would have FINALLY broke free from PKG but no………….looks like they’re still there. 🙁

    Oh well, it may be that they are folks that simply realize they’re too old to change course now so why bother? I know that they’re both in their mid 70’s by now.

    PKG is probably all they have social wise, so why not go along to get along.

    Truly sad……………….. 🙁

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have a couple of ideas here.

    First, what was the trigger that cause liar weinland to masquerade as “anthony” on this blog? Two things:

    1) The conversations about Johnny and Mytle’s mysterious absences from pkg. I still say that something is not right there, even though, liar weinland mentioned their names in the last sermon. You have to keep in your mind that weinland is a “proven” liar and will lie about anything and everything that affects him directly. Just because liar weinland mentioned their names means absolutely nothing to me! A liar is a liar!

    2) The revealing of the falsehood of liar weinland’s GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019 is an attention grabber! The posts on this blog about this subject have been right on and accurate!! Noting that liar weinland has a proven history of multiple failures when it comes to predictions and claims of being all powerful.

    I am of the opinion, that the “trigger” is number two (2). The conversations about his 2019 failure are a direct threat to liar weinland. Anyone who does an internet search on liar weinland will eventually end up here on this blog because of the postings of former members of weinland’s cult, not to mention, the available information that has been compiled on this site.

    So my advise to all is this, keeping looking for the “triggers” that explode liar weinland’s head and drive it hard!! Liar weinland is the loser here NOT US!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Do any of the Armstrong splinters look to such events as the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, or the reconvening of the Sanhedrin? Back in the day, we used to hear such things as, “Oh, brethren, they haven’t even begun to rebuild the temple! So far as we know, it’s not even in the preplanning stage!” It was thought that without a temple, you couldn’t very well have the prophesied “abomination of desolation”. In all of the rantings from all of the people who have ordained themselves as prophets and apostles, you never hear of these events any more.


  • Randy Terlecki says:

    The asshole must be getting nervous another date for return is come and none of his lies are coming true, sheep might have to send more money !

  • Enough is Enough says:


    According to liar weinland it is spiritual – yeah right!!

    To answer your question, some do and some do not. It depends on what cog your are with.

  • martin says:

    Ron’s god is very confused

    1) Laura does not preach of give sermons or prophesy at all…

    2) IF Laura were to preach, then she would violate God’s prohibition against women preaching from the pulpit.

    It’s a lose/lose situation.

  • James says:

    I smell a exit plan with the new other 2 witless witnesses coming
    into play.

  • martin says:

    EVERY prophecy regarding Jesus, was fulfilled, every single one, to the ‘t’.

    ALL was fulfilled…

    We have this *amazing* exception it seems, Ronald Weinland, unlike Jesus Christ, does not have to fulfill the Revelation 11 prophecy on the TWs. Ronald Weinland would then be above Christ in his role, since Ron can fulfill or not fulfill the prophecy, he’s exempt from such a requirement. Christ HAD TO FULFILL all the prophecies regarding Him, or He would be disqualified for being the Messiah. For Ron, it’s not needed. Ron says he’s one of the TWs, so therefore it is true, no proof needed, no fulfilling explicit prophecies that are spoken regarding the TWs. Ron’s lazy, gossiping, wife, need not do anything, but collect tithes owed to her.

    Ron can be a coward, and post under a pseudonym, make threats and run….no fire breathing is required.

  • martin says:

    Is it just an educated guess that “Anthony” is Ronald Weinland? Or has this been proven to some degree? The email address is required for posting, but a false one could have been provided….(?) The spelling is atrocious, and the posting style is like something from a bratty 12 year old.

  • martin says:

    A fun reminder of coward Anthony’s post…if you missed it…..

    ANTHONY says:
    December 26, 2017 at 19:13

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Let Anthony prove himself or maybe herself and reappear here and set the record straight!!

  • Fooled no More says:

    EIE……fat chance that ever happens! Trolls like “Anthony” are like farts. Spray the disinfectant of truth, and the funk of the fart disappears on outta here in the wind. 😀

  • martin says:

    We aren’t mocking Ron, we are telling the simple truth. Regarding his tax evasion, all of that has been proven in a court of law.

    As far as “deceitful”, in what regards? In what way? Nobody here has been deceitful, they are simply telling the truth regarding Ron’s character (or lack thereof).

  • martin says:

    God commands us to prove all things (this includes God Himself)

    1Th 5:21  Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 

    Now in other parts of the bible, God commands us to prove God Himself. So God includes Himself in this instruction. Now if God commands that we do this even in reference to God Himself, how is it that Ronald Weinland is exempt from such proving? Or do we just take Ron at his word? Ron said he was one of the TWs(two witnesses), so we should just accept him at his word?


    (Rev 2:2 KJV)  I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast TRIED THEM which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

    Ephesus was commended for trying or proving whether a person who claimed to be an apostle was an apostle, and finding out they were liars. Ron of course claims to be an apostle and prophet, but is a proven liar. None of his claims hold any water, nothing he’s prophesied came to pass. Ron has no understanding of the bible, or he wouldn’t have made his wife head over the PKG church (under him of course), in blatant disregard for the biblical injunction against doing so.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    The asshole don’t won’t anyone to prove what he says if you guestion him he has a fit , just listen to what I say not the Bible , what a sorry excuse of a man

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland continues to try and explain and excuse all the false prophecies.

    He says that the 2012-2013 debacle was good.

    “Pentecost of 2012 to 2013, it was a difficult year, in more ways than one, and the Church went through a lot because of it, and looking back, it was very good. If you can understand that, it was very, very good. ”

    Hear that PKGers, failed prophecy is good!

  • martin says:

    (bottom page 5 of pdf)

  • Ronco says:

    Do You Know The Way To San Jose? Ron’s gonna be there soon!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well, so liar weinland says failed prophesy is good!? WHAT A JOKE AND LIE THIS IS LIAR WEINLAND!!!!

    You are a colossal failure liar weinland and you can not deal with it – can you!?

    I normally do not quote scriptures here, but in this case, I will guarantee you that liar weinland WILL NOT go near these scriptures: Jer 23:16,17; 24:33-40; Hosea 4:6!!!

    You are a pathetic liar weinland to even state that “failed prophesy” is good!? I can point to many places in the Bible that states clearly that God, himself, would condemn you for that “ludicrous” and highly “irresponsible” and “damning” statement of yours (failed lying prophesies are good)!!??

    Are you so desperate that you have to go to a dark place to save yourself from total and absolute ruin!? YOU ARE A LIAR AND ALWAYS HAVE BEEN!!! SO NOW WE GO DOWN THE ROAD TO “PERDITION”!!!!! It will only continue to get worst for you liar weinland now that you have taken the position of “CALLING GOOD EVIL AND CALLING EVIL GOOD”!!!!

    You really disgust me liar weinland!!! liar liar liar that you are!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I find it somewhat amusing that Ron now refers to the 3 years he spent in prison as a “sabbatical”.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This is from the living bible, Jer. 23:16

    “… this is my warning to my people says the Lord of Host, “don’t listen to these false prophets when they prophesy to you filling you with futile hopes, they are making up everything they say THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME!

    THIS ABLY DESCRIBES YOU LIAR WEINLAND!!!! QUOTING YOU, “FAILED PROPHESY IS GOOD”. I have a question for you liar weinland, “did God actually tell you this”? I do not think so liar weinalnd! How many times have you stated that God gave you a direct message that Christ is returning on a certain date? It is now four times liar weinland, this is what is know as a “FUTILE HOPE”!!!!!

    Only a liar like can prove himself a liar and you have done a good job at that!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    ooops sorry for the misquote on Jer 24:33-40. It is actually Jer 14:14 sorry

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This will be my last quote, for now.

    Living Bible: Jer. 14:14 “… then the Lord said, ” the prophets are telling lies in my name. I didn’t send them or tell them to speak or give them any message. they prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen nor heard. they speak foolishness concocted out of their own LYING hearts …”

    Want to go there liar weinalnd!?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What is the matter liar weinland?

    Why are your self proclaimed powers useless and ineffective? I will tell you why, you are a liar, that is why.

    So go ahead and huff and puff!! It will prove to be nothing at all or maybe you can get the “silent one” (except for gossiping) to do it for you. Oh I see, it is only concocted foolishness on your part! Well, we know who you are now and that you are someone God has forgotten about too – Oh Well, I guess, you are one of the forgotten ones – to bad.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland has strongly indicated in the past that God can lead the PKG church into error. (which it should be said, is blasphemy)

    Ron later in sermon, reads from a letter from an overseas elder.
    (the elders comments are in single quotes, the rest is from Ron the liar.

    Ron : “Going on he said, ‘In the past I have had battles with the concept that God has deliberately allowed (facilitated?) the Church to believe things that are incorrect, like that Christ was returning soon when he wasn’t. As this becomes apparent it makes one wonder what is still left to be corrected.’
    Going on, ‘Given the 6,000 years that must nearly be up (based on the biblical chronology), surely it cannot go on much longer. But I could see how it could go on for a couple of decades yet.’ Is that possible? Sure. But I’ll mention here too, you can’t be intellectual about this, okay?”

    Notice two things,
    1) the elder explicitly brings this issue up, of how God deliberately allowed or facilitated the church of Ron being led into error.


    2) the elder says stuff could go on for decades.
    Ron’s response???? ** SURE **

    Ron is lucky he’s not a smoldering black smudge on the floor.

  • martin says:

    Now one may ask, why did Ron read this letter? And read what that elder said about God facilitating error?

    Now Ron certainly agreed with that elder’s assessment, otherwise he would have said otherwise, like “No, this can not be true, or is not true…this elder is in error”

    This was an underhanded way for Ron to state this idea, that God facilitates error being brought into the church. So, Ron agrees with the elder, no minister would allow such a statement to stand unchallenged UNLESS HE BELIEVED IT TOO.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… Ron now refers to the 3 years he spent in prison as a “sabbatical” …” Mike

    This is a perfect example of liar weinland’s “trickery” of mixing truth with lies. He is a master at this type of deceit!

    To begin, the definition of “sabbatical is as follows: “.. an extended period of leave form one’s customary work especially for rest, to acquire new skills and training ..”

    1) “period of leave from one’s customary work,” this is the core part of liar weinland’s trickery! Yes, because he was sentenced to three years plus in federal prison for tax evasion and this did cause a “period o leave from his customary work” of lying and deceiving. This part of the definition is the “base of truth” for weinland’s trickery.

    2) “for rest” – liar weinland got plenty of rest because he was convicted felon serving time.

    3) “to acquire new skills and training” – he worked in a carpentry shop in prison.

    Liar weinland will only focus on the first part of the definition, “period of leave from one’s customary work” and will go no further than this!! Liar weinalnd next step will be that he will claim to be like Paul and John and receive direct teachings from Christ, THIS IS THE LYING PART OF WEINLAND’S CLAIM OF SABBATICAL!!!!

    This is how this liar works, the mixing of truth and lies to elevate himself about his deceitful lies and create a “new base lie” to look like the truth and build off of it!!

    His motive is simple, to invalidate the 2019 prediction of Christ’s return. It is all done by trickery of mixing truth and lies and make no mistake liar weinland is a master at this!! He has learned it well from the “father of all lies”!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FYI – the cult is fasting starting tonight –

  • Ronco says:

    I bet Ron and the Gossip Queen(TM) will be eating good in the neighborhood in San Jose!

  • martin says:

    EiE. where was this fast announced? And for how long?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It wasn’t announced.

    I am not at liberty to reveal how I know.

  • martin says:

    Is it for just one day?

  • Enough is Enough says:


  • martin says:

    (Rev 11:3 KJV)  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    CHRIST will PERSONALLY EMPOWER the Two Witnesses…

    Where does it say to call for a church fast for any issues they have? Nowhere.

    WHY would the Two Witnesses ask anybody to fast on their behalf, that is saying that Christ fell asleep on the job, and forgot to provide for them. CHRIST FAILED AT HIS DUTIES. Does this sound like Ron + gossiping wife are the Two Witnesses?

  • martin says:

    The bible’s God :
    1) Holy Spirit guides you into All Truth (John 16:13)

    Ron’s god (between his ears)
    1) Leads you into lies and error

    The bible’s God
    2) Is The Truth (John 14:6)

    Ron’s god (between his ears)
    2) Is not the truth

    No wonder Ron is clueless.

  • martin says:

    In the bible:
    3) Good is good

    3) evil is good, good is evil

  • Excogger says:

    A quote from Charles Dickens’ book, “Little Dorrit”:

    “….there is no playing fast and loose with the truth, in any game, without growing the worse for it.”

    Take heed, Ronald, and all perverters of Scripture such as yourself. Whatever you gain by lying for your own benefit will crumble to dust and provide you with little joy or satisfaction in the end.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    What up asshole , times counting down on your 3rd return of Christ and you predicated nothing , I thought you where going to die in street with gossip bitch , hurry please

  • martin says:

    The “it was very good” part….

    (it=failed 2012,2013 prophecy)
    Ron “…and the church went through a lot because of it and looking back it was very good if you can understand that, it was very very good”

  • martin says:

    Hearing him vomit out this garbage is 10 times worse than reading it.

  • Fooled no More says:

    Ron should tell that to the people that lost jobs due to “it”, and also even lost family members due to his nonsense. I don’t think they (myself included) thought it was “very, very good”!

  • martin says:

    Ron is pathological, in his need to turn every failed prophecy, every lie, every evil he’s done, to something “good”. He does this of course, because he’s a classic narcissist, in that he can never do any wrong.

    For example, the failed 2012,2013 prophecy, was not failed prophecy, but God showing mercy to either the church or the world. Sounds great doesn’t it? But that means God is a liar, not that Ron is completely false. God lied about the 2012 date, the 2013 date, the 2014 date, and the 2019 date (among others).

    So when the 2019 prophecy fails to occur, when Christ does not come back on Pentecost of 2019, it’s not because Ron is a false prophet, it’s because God is giving more time, and being merciful, and giving the PKGers more time to get “ready”.

    Ron has already stated that there will “perhaps” be another year past the 2019 date before Christ can come back.

    But wait a minute! Didn’t God give Ron all that numerological mumbo jumbo that was WITHOUT ERROR? Show absolutely when Christ would return????

  • Ozymandias says:

    “ It was very very good” for Ron, because it didn’t cost him a cent. He didn’t lose his home, his cars, or his teeth. It didn’t touch him at all. It’s kind of like war, someone loses, but someone profits. Ron can turn someone’s loss of a home and life savings into a win for himself. The spin Dr. never ceases to amaze me. Only Ron can turn a three year prison sentence into a Sabbatical. He didn’t learn a thing, because he never really lost anything. People just dig a little deeper, and keep the lie alive. It’s all win win for the Weinlands as long as there are suckers to believe his stories. Sabbatical!!!!

  • martin says:

    I wonder if Anthony can explain how failed prophecy was “very very good”?

  • Enough is Enough says:


    You always hit the bull’s eye when it comes to liar weinland!

    You have mentioned this before about not willing to change to leave weinland’s cult. Recently I was talking with a member I have not seen or heard from in a very long time. I did ask, “why are you still there”? The answer was not what I expected. It was as you said, not willing to face moving on and starting over.

    I asked about the failed predictions and lying about his conviction of tax evasion and his stupid comments about “sabbatical” and false and failed prophesies being “good”. To my amazement, it was agreed that these things were lies! I had to ask, “knowing these things why would you stay in weinland’s cult?” I was stunned to hear this, “I do not like change and to start over is something I am not interested in doing and I just ignore what I know to be false.” I then asked, “what about the money you pay this liar?” This individual is one of the ones who does not give the full percentage. Also, I was informed that on the Sabbaths that they do not meet as a group this individual meet with a different church.

    I have to admit I do not understand or comprehend this kind of thinking! You attend elsewhere, when you can, and yet you still refuse to leave weinland’s cult!? The conversation ended with, “that is just the way I do things at this time.”

  • martin says:

    I have to say that this reasoning appalls me. When Ron falls he’s going to pull down a lot of pkgers with him, that’s why you need to leave him.

  • martin says:

    I do find it interesting that they know he’s a liar

  • Ozymandias says:

    EiE, just let Weinland find out your friend has a mind of his own and he’d have a hissy fit. He would boot him/her so fast his head would spin. I know there are others who have played with “ the Weinland rules”. There must be someone in there that still has a little integrity and a mind of their own. Most go along to get along, and I was guilty of this myself for quite a while.Hed be bitching about people’s finances or lack of tithing, and I would sit and cringe at the hypocrisy.He would talk about having a bunch of dental work done on the churches dime, and I knew people with very bad and painful teeth. His daughter got lasik so she could see the checks better and people didn’t have access to the basics. His 19 year old son drove a bmw that the church paid for while tithing adults drove 10 year old cars. We were gullible and stupid, because we love mankind and want a better world for all men.We were foolish enough to believe the church when they said they knew how to attain it. This “ dream” for world peace is hard to part with, so people keep going because believe it or not there are worse places. At least in Weinlands spiritual prison, you know a few of the other inmates.When you leave , you are pretty much on your own, as you realize quickly it was only the church that was really holding you all together. People tend to go their own way after they get out. You quickly come to grips with what was a true belief and what was a COG doctrine. Many of these people already know where they stand, but can lie a little if they show up each week. Your friend has already come to this point. He can fool himself and others for a long time but one day he will have years of regret to look back on. Who wants to do that?

  • martin says:



  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron so full of shit it comes out his ears

  • Ronco says:

    “ It was very very good”
    Yep, Ron remembers all those good times with Bubba in the pokey…

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ronco LOL!! 😀

    Ozy, I was one of those driving a then 10 year old car, and having dental issues like you wouldn’t believe. Yet, I was still expected (at that point) to keep on tithing, never mind that I had to a make a BIG choice around the end of ’14……………new teeth, or new car—-new teeth or new car—–new teeth or new car.

    Well, I needed a new car as I HAD to be able to get back and forth to work, and it wasn’t long after I bought the car that I literally woke up one Sunday morning (March 8, 2015) and fired off a letter to the powers that be. I had simply had enough, and no longer wanted to deal with the BS.

    It’s been VERY liberating since then to say the least, but I’m still dealing with the financial issues that fooling with them so long put me through. BUT! It is a good feeling to NO LONGER have any guilt feelings about NOT paying enough to Ron for God knows what!

    EIE, that’s a VERY interesting encounter you had with your friend! If nothing else, there may be a glimmer of hope in that they were able to express that to you. Perhaps some day they’ll be like me and literally wake up one fine Sunday morning, and fire off a letter like I did and pretty much tell them to shove it!

    I’ve got a BIG challenge for you Ron! I absolutely DARE you to disfellowship a large number of those you know are not tithing the way they should! I double dog dare you!

    You won’t ‘cuz you know why?? There goes your house, cars, utilities, trips, clothes, heck even underwear you have to buy at the thrift store apparently! No you won’t do that………..all you can do at this point is threaten and even that’s losing its power. 😉

  • Ozymandias says:

    I would like to say I believe in karma and what goes around comes around , but I’ve been on the planet long enough to know that it isn’t always true. There are always people that just love the con man no matter what he’s done. There are a few widows in the church that will continue to support him no matter what. Some of them have money. Many of us were in the church for 40 years or more, and let me tell you, it’s a hard habit to break. As I stated you have to come to grips with what you actually believe. There are a lot of questions you have to ask yourself right after you “ fire off the letter.” BIG questions about the Sabbath, tithing, belonging to a church at all ever again, unclean meat, just to name a few. After you decide the answers that work for you, is there anyone else that feels that way? People were always afraid of being alone as MOST people even in the confines of the church have differing beliefs.At the end of it all you must be true to yourself and fully admit to man and God where you stand. If the doctrines were always a chore , you never really believed them anyway, and you never fooled God. Ron and co are probably the very poorest examples of what to follow or who to believe. I would rather say to God I did my best and lived a good life, than I followed along after a selfish narcissist and his greedy family because I was too lazy to prove all things.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have given more though to my conversation with the individual I have not seen for a very long time.

    I have taken the time reflect on my exit from weinland’ cult. I now remember how I started the disconnect from weinland’s lies and deceit. There was that moment when I did start to ignore all of wienland’s lies and falsehoods, as well as, trimming back the tithe offering. At that time, I did not realize that I was moving toward a complete rejection of liar weinland. And finally, as FNM stated, the day came when I DID reject weinland completely and left!

    I have to admit that I did not pick up on the process this individual is expericing. This individual is now in the process of rejecting liar weinland completely and I would wager that the closer this individual comes to the failure of June 9, 2019 the more pronounced the rejection will become! Hey weinland!! You are losing this one and there will be many more!!!

    I feel confident that I will be hearing again form this indivdiual and this time I will be aware of this process of fully rejecting liar weinland and all he stands for. Also, it would not surprise me that we will be hearing from the masquerader liar weinland again!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    EiE , it is a process we go through. No one changes their mind over night if they have had true faith in something. I sat for months listening to him berate people for not tithing enough, mentioning that he was signing letters, (my eyes are on you), looking at what people drove to church. Ha! His half educated children are driving cars they didn’t earn and YOU are checking out the cars of men and women who have worked hard and tithed most of their lives. The hypocrisy was overwhelming. I was gone and out of Weinland church long before I left the building. I just had to come to grips with what I really thought of him. It took a lot of thought and contemplation, but one day after church my husband said, well, should I call Greg? I can’t tell you the feeling that suddenly came over me. I totally knew it was the right thing to do and that I didn’t belong to this group and hadn’ for quite a while. I believe it was the failed prophecies primarily, but Ron’s attitude played a huge part. A short time after the first failure, he callously blurted out how some retirees would just have to go back to work, and that we ALL believed it , there by absolving himself of any VERY SMALL (if any) amount of guilt. I just couldn’t believe my ears. I began to totally reverse any good feelings I had ever had about him. The more he denied culpability, and then tore down others the less I thought of him. At the end I was jubilant to call Greg and get the hell out of that evil , judgmental church.

  • martin says:

    The true evil, is that Ronald Weinland turned some into atheists.

    Just remember, the 1st century church, you would think this impossible, but the first century church had its share of false apostles, false ministers, false prophets and false brethren.

    So why are people shocked that Ron is a complete false prophet.

    I keep saying this, but this assessment is not a subjective one, coming from disgruntled ex-members. Ron is simply a liar, a thief, a felon and a false prophet. This has been proven in a court of law, and from the bible. It’s a fact. Not some subjective judgement from people who dislike him.

  • martin says:

    Why is Ron spending 7 sermons (so far) on this “4 1/2 years” garbage?

  • Excogger says:

    Martin, it’s all about conditioning and grooming the faithful fewer.And keeping Ron’s idol and mentor in high profile, even to the extent of quoting from “1975 In Prophecy”.
    And every now and then he asserts his spiritual leadership and authority by pointing out that the translations we have of the Bible contain so many errors that he and his mouthpieces have to constantly correct them. Ordinary folk just can’t/don’t understand the Scriptures until Ron decodes the message for the membership of the One True Church.
    The sermon from last week contained the little gem that the “57 Truths” are “the word of God”! It would be laughable if it wasn’t so blasphemous and self-serving.
    You are a piece of work, Ronald Eugene.
    In all fairness, I should point out Ron’s good points and meritorious behaviour. Here goes……

    Oh well, maybe next time. It’s not easy being a false prophet and false apostle. I suppose someone has to take on the role.

  • martin says:

    Now nobody’s perfect, so I don’t put other ministers who are genuinely trying to preach the truth, but are wrong. Now some are terribly wrong and may fall into the false apostle/false minister category, and I would say, not to stay with them, others are also wrong but are trying their best to teach the truth, but may be in error here and there, I would say be wary, it may be safe to stay with them.

    In other words, don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

  • martin says:

    So ex-PKGers, have stopped believing the bible and God altogether. This is sad. You allowed Ron to turn you into an atheist. Why are you equating Ron’s falsehood with the bible being false and God being false? Toss out Ronald Weinland, don’t toss out God.
    Now, Ron’s god, where Jesus was a created being is completely false, so I would start with that…and move forward in truth.

    (Ron’s interpretation of John 1:1, is so embarrassing it’s humiliating, how anybody accepted his vomit explanation/interpretation of that verse is beyond me)

  • martin says:

    “So ex-PKGers”— should be —> “Some ex-PKGers”

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    We as humans always take the easy way out, so for those remaining it is much easier for them to have Ron tell them what to do or think, than they don’t have to. In exchange they convince themselves they are the smart ones to let someone else do the work for them.

    The following is a quote I read from one of my latest books about mind control:

    A sociopath is a person who will destroy you, without a heart, without a conscience, without even a second glance. At first they are too perfect and too good to be true. Then they remove your heart and whatever else they want, with a scalpel. The operation they perform is brilliant, often but not always flawless. And when they’ve gotten whatever they came for in the first place, they leave you traumatized, stunned, and bleeding by the roadside, and silently move on, to do it again to someone else.

    Sound like anyone we have all dwelt with?

  • Ruby McCormick says:


    I still believe in God, but I choose to follow no religion or man. I trust no one. I won’t follow someone who is a little wrong. I follow no one. It’s all someone’s opinions. I have my own.

    Don’t judge. You were not there. It’s easy to pass judgement on those who have been hurt. That is not your place.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Martin, are you assuming ex pkgers have lost their faith in God? This could not be farther from the truth. I believed in God long before I ever met Ron. It would be sad to think that someone such as him could destroy ones faith. If this is the case , then the faith was not strong to begin with and the faith was in Ron and not God. My faith is in tact but I feel somewhat like Ruby M when I say I will never affiliate with a church again or follow a man. There are far too many differing opinions and you find you must go along with doctrines you may not agree with or fully understand, just to be part of a group. I keep the Sabbath because I believe in the Sabbath, the Holy Days, because I believe in them, refrain from unclean meat because I believe it IS unclean. I do not judge anyone who has a differing opinion. I don’t feel they are damned or lake of fire fodder. I don’t completely understand God and his ways and I fully admit it. I’m ok with this. I will NOT be lead down the garden path by anyone ever again. If you were not part of the church , perhaps you cannot fully understand people who have. I don’t understand it myself at times and I was there for 40 years. Breaking away is not as easy as it seems as your whole life is wrapped up with these people. Some would rather do nothing than start all over after 40 would be like changing careers after 40 years. It’s not impossible, but it is a little daunting. Most know as Ruby and I know, there is no place left after this, and you would be on your own. I’m fine with that but some people wouldn’t like it. They would miss the fellowship and be compelled to find another group. As I said before, even in the environs of the church , there are differing opinions as to doctrine, so finding a group that believes just as you do might be difficult.

  • martin says:

    I don’t say all PKGers have lost their faith in God or the Bible, but some have, and that is sad.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well Martin you step in a pile on that one!

    However, you are correct that a small number did indeed give it all up because of liar weinland, but that was a very small number. The majority did as Ruby and Ozy said, it was a rejection of liar weinland and all that he stood for. Their faith in God never changed. It was liar weinland that was rejected not God!!

    In my experience, I was enraged at myself for being so damn stupid to allow myself to have been misled by liar weinland!!! Make no mistake, I find liar weinland to a vile man giving no thought to anyone but himself!! However, I do not and will not forgive him for what he has done to honest individuals with his lies and deceit!!!! Weinland is a grubby feeding maggot that is gutting the innocent of their wealth!!! You can see and tell this by the constant lying and excuses he uses to deceive any who will listen! Glad I’m Free hit the nail on the head with the quote from his/her book!

    Also, if you have ever notice, weinland put out the scripted sermon in PDF on his website, I have seen with my own eyes that his members study the scripted sermon and NOT God’s Word!! This is the trickery of liar weinland and that is to divert attention away from the Bible and replace with his own scripted crap!!! This is how he laces the truth with his own perverted lies!!! Ask any ex-member and they will confirm this!!! Oh yes, liar weinland will quote scripture in his scripted sermon but the problem is that he has already polluted and twisted the scripture to sync up with the numbing cocktail that he has already prepared. This is what he does and he does it well!!!

    As long as there are some who will listen and follow his lies it will go on until this vile man dies!!!

  • martin says:

    Remember, it’s good, it’s very, very good….


  • martin says:

    I hope you don’t mind my asking….(I bring this up every now and then)

    EiE, what is your current stance on Ron’s doctrine that Christ was a created being, and did not pre-exist?
    (others can chime in on this question)

  • Enough is Enough says:

    That is a heresy from the third or fourth century!

    Weinland is a heritic!!

  • Barry Richey says:

    There were a few who clearly recognized it as heresy when he first began to teach it. They left. I tried to listen to a few of the series of sermons back when he started on it. Too easy to prove his pathetic reasoning wrong. I fear the pride and stroked vanity being made elders has convinced my family still there that they actually know how to study Gods Word. I am fairly sure they were babes in Christ at best when they followed Ron out of United.

    What a con man.

  • martin says:

    ps. The reason I asked was for the benefit of any new comers to this blog.

    One of the signs of a false prophet, is that they bring “another” god to the people.

    Ron’s teaching of another god, that Christ was a created being, does this.

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