Ron’s Commission Recycled

It’s now one week since the Last Great Day.  PKG still doesn’t have a link to the sermon for that day on their website, nor does it have a link to last Saturday’s sermon.

But yesterday they posted the Last Great Day sermon in the PKG YouTube channel.  In it Ron recycled his usual sermon about “this way of life, yada yada”.  He did tell people that the “sealing” has not taken place, now almost 10 years after it first happened early in 2008.

He also talked about his latest book Prophesy Against the Nations.  He doesn’t plan to print paper copies, but has PDF copies on a new website with the URL being the first two words of the book title.  Ron fancies himself to be a search engine optimization (SEO) expert.  He wants his members to perform a Google search on the book title and click on the link every day  — doing that will increase the site rankings in Google.  Now I’m not an SEO expert myself, but do know a little bit about it.  Enough to know that Ron is much, much better at selling false prophecy than he is at SEO.

And he’s telegraphed that there will be a feast next year.  Surprise, surprise.


  • Ruby McCormick says:

    With so little “spiritual food”, next year’s “Feast” will be the Lunch of Tabernacles instead. Blah, de, Blah, Blah.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Just more of the same old dog food.

    However, I am eagerly awaiting the Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019!!!

    tick tock wacky weinland tick tock

  • martin says:

    “He wants his members to perform a Google search on the book title and click on the link every day — doing that will increase the site rankings in Google.”

    This is what one of the Two Witnesses is doing????????????????????????????????????????

    SEO tricks?????????????????????????????? (I am not sure such a trick would even work)

    No breathing fire? No rivers of blood…..?

    But yes to SEO tricks???????


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I agree with you Martin!

    A BIBLICAL Witness, who should be shocking and awe-ing the world right now, is getting his members to covertly inflate his book numbers (deceit)! This is his great Witness to the world? This is his grand spiritual power. He can’t even do it himself. The numbers can only rise significantly if all of his tiny church pitch in, so he has NO power at all! The “Feast of Tabernacle”: is now just Half Of A Stale Cookie of Tabernacles… and “Witnessing” is small time SEO deception on the Internet.

    I can’t wait for Spring 2019 when Ron will receive his greatest mocking yet!! He is piloting the plane of his life straight into the Lake of Fire! LOL! Look out your windows, PKG passengers, that is not Tallahassee you are descending into…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… He did tell people that the “sealing” has not taken place, now almost 10 years after it first happened early in 2008 …” Mike

    Whoaaa!! Hold on here!!!

    I was in wacko weinland organization when he stated the sealing of the 144K was done and finished and that Jesus Christ directly informed him of that one!! And That!! these who were members, at that time, were sealed and it would not matter if they sinned because God knew them and it would not matter!!!

    So here we are again!!!! ANOTHER LIE FROM WACKY WEINLAND!!!!!

    The truth of the matter is this: WEINLAND DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE !!! Just keep on lying and misleading is weinland’s game!!!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Also there will be a “Feast of Disappointment” on June 9, 2019 – I can guarantee this one. No need to claim to be a prophet!!

    Keep in mind, the new “weinland lie” is coming and a new date will be set!! No need to claim to be a prophet on this one either!!

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland’s LGD sermon, I believe this is not the same as what was posted before(?)

    Our Commission Moving Forward

    If somebody can tolerate listening to some of it to see what lie he is promoting……..

    Now in the beginning he mentions maybe NOT KNOWING everything, and it is a matter of faith.

    It’s pure horse manure…..

    Yes, sometimes we don’t know it all….BUT, WHEN IT COMES TO TRUE PROPHETS, THIS IS NOT THE CASE.


    (Amo 3:7) Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

    So God says, he won’t do ANYTHING…until his prophet is informed of the matter FIRST, then (presumably) the Prophet informs the people of God’s Will, then God proceeds with His plan….

    According to Ronand Weinland, this is not the case.

  • martin says:

    Is this the youtube video referred to in main blog post above?

  • Enough is Enough says:


    It is obvious that wacky weinland is laying the groundwork for changing the date. I have been expecting this and now it has started. Wacko weinland is running out of time and he must do another lie and change a date.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That’s the one.

    The PKG website has finally been updated to point to it, but there’s no transcript. Also posted is last Saturday’s sermon given by Johnny.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, yes………it’s the one you’re referring to. Interesting as the one I posted must have been for a regular Saturday sermon? No matter……………as it’s more of the same as it’s loaded with big lies.

    Speaking of lies, here is the sermon that Mike was talking about in his description above. Now Ron must think those in his congregations must have memories of goldfish. It’s very clear in that sermon that he said THE SEALING IS FINISHED!

    So did God (or Jesus Christ) whisper in his ear one night in a dream and say “Pssssst! Ron, Ron, that was all a mistake! NOW is the time the sealing is finished!”

    Good Grief…….you all in PKG are some sad sacks to keep feeding into his BS! 🙁

  • martin says:

    Do you mean in this current LGD sermon he said it is finished again? Or are you referring to the original time he spoke this lie?

    How could it be finished when people are STILL BEING PUT OUT for non-compliance of things?

    Are they UN-sealed now? It seems more people are being UN-sealed than sealed.

  • martin says:

    Lies pour out of this guy’s mouth like water out of a faucet.

    Also it DOES SEEM that most PKGers memories are like a goldfish.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Running out of ORIGINAL titles Johnny?? There’s this sermon here that’s called the same thing.

    I remember it VERY WELL as we were all sitting, hoping, and waiting for Christ to return, only to have one of the biggest letdowns I think I’ve ever experienced.

    Oh, I’m sure the content is quite different (I’m not bothering to waste time listening to it), but the effect is all the same……….Lies, Lies and more Lies!

  • Fooled No More says:

    LOL! Martin, I literally just guffawed out loud to your comment! It’s like Facebook dontcha know??

    You get “friended”, then you get unfriended! Or is that de-friended?? 😀

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, the sermon I posted was originally given by Ron in February of 2008. Back then, the “sealing” was supposed to have already been done, but now he says in his latest LGD sermon that WHOOPS………no it’s NOT done yet!

    So which is it?? 2008 was all a big bust as we know…………and now get ready PKG——2019 will be a BIGGER bust as we now have past history of how inconsistent and wrong Ron is.

    Speed the day!

  • martin says:

    I get the feeling that MOST Pkgers KNOW that Ronald Weinland is COMPLETELY WRONG.

    They know this, but are content to stay for whatever reason.

    They are better off at home. The reason? Those that continue to follow a false prophet, KNOWING he is false, are going to end up in the “ditch”. The bible is clear, continue to follow a blind guide, and don’t be surprised where you end up.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    You may be right in some aspect.

    It is the social connections with others that holds them there. That was the most difficult thing for me to deal with. Severing close friendships was an emotional issue. But the realization of this deceitful weinland and all of his lies and thievery was stronger than the social connections. I simply left understanding that the ones I considered close friends would act as though I never existed was emotionally difficult for me to accept.

    It is sad to see and understand this, but, it is a reality that exists within the environs of pkg. And do not kid yourself, weinland knows the psychology of this emotion.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    There’s always the Present Truth(TM). Yesterday’s truth is today’s Fake News.

  • Byker Bob says:

    This social stuff is apparently some good, healthy subversive activity happening behind the backs of the ministry. At least someone is getting some unintended good from being trapped in an ACOG. On some of the other blogs, we keep hearing about rampant abuse of authority, financial malfeasance, and illicit sexual activities in the various splinters. Plus false prophecies that never get fulfilled. And demands for yet even more money.

    If people would only begin to leave en masse, most of the friendships could survive. Once someone feels as if they are being high-hatted or shunned, it’s too late.


  • Enough is Enough says:


    True friendships always survive.

    These friendships that suffer because of a cult master like weinland is tragic! This cult mentality is to “punish” not to reach out and heal the wounded. Weinland understands that once the influence is broken that he (weinland) MUST remove the offender and strip away any connection to his followers.

    Weinland knows he has enemies (ex-members) that he can no longer influence and that is dangerous to him and his organization. His objective is to protect his ill begotten income from those he robs at any and all costs!!! Remove the delusion and weinland becomes very visible and it is not a pretty sight!!!!!!

    However, my door and friendship to those I know is always open to them!! I have chosen the path of forgiveness and not one of fear and selfishness!!

  • Excogger says:

    The sealing of the Gross Thousand may not indeed have a ceiling!
    Then there’s the multitude under the altar: word is that if you begin paying another Tithe, even though you are stuck under the altar, you will receive, in due course, a room upgrade to the level occupied by the 144K.
    At least, that’s what I understand after carefully studying all of the No.1 Human’s dissertations since 2008. Hang in there, all you faithful pkgers – Ron just might deliver….one day….maybe….if you pay him enough….if only you believe everything he says, even though he often contradicts himself or even (Shock, horror!) changes/rewrites on of the 57 Assertions.
    What a theological circus!

  • Excogger says:

    Couldn’t agree more!
    It certainly has been my experience under the HWA regime. We lost so many friends when we resigned and were instantly disfellowshipped, but thankfully have won a few back over the years.
    Armstrongism is parasitic and preys on those who love God and want to serve Him and understand His will for them in this world.

  • martin says:

    Read the whole OT……

    God gives explicit warning to the prophet, He is crystal clear, none of this “we don’t know everything and live by faith horse manure”.

    God gives His secrets to the prophet
    The prophet gives God’s message to the people
    The people are given free choice to obey or not obey
    God acts accordingly.

    A precise fulfillment of the Amos 3:7 pattern every time.

    With Ronald Weinland the false prophet…..”We don’t know”

  • martin says:

    Ron, as God’s most powerful prophet in all of history, may I suggest you re-read the OT.

    I would do a personal bible study on Moses, and see if you can figure out how true prophets operate.

    Whether they know stuff or don’t know stuff, whether they can prophesy accurately or not.

  • Ronco says:

    Ron’s back to blathering again, plus he has new upcoming trips posted. Same old same old!

  • martin says:

    Las Vegas is a pit stop …..yeah, I can guess what he’ll be doing down there….

  • martin says:

    177 people watching now…..hmmm….I wonder if that is a good estimate on the current membership?

  • martin says:

    The PKG members need to ask Ron, where is the so called prophesying against the nations?

    He wrote a book, shouldn’t he put the book he wrote to practice?

    Writing a book that only members are reading (if at all, I think they’ve gotten lazy and may not do this as much anymore), is not prophesying against any nation or nations.

  • Randy terlecki says:

    What’s up asshole Ron and gossip bitch
    You don’t have a clue everything you say is bullshit , your wife is full of shit like you your a crook like the rest of them you need to go back to prison for an other 4 years !!!

  • Ronco says:

    Hi Ron!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    You all are going to love this! Our old frenemy Zerubabbel The Blue Tasseled Nitwit has updated us on his current situation:

    1. He had to liquidate 99% of his goat herd to pay a tiny amount on “his” property… which is being foreclosed on.

    2. THE TWO MEN THAT WERE FOLLOWING ZERUBABBEL have left him because they were not on board with Z’s incestuous perversions

    3. Z’s website being shut down due to non-payment is a part of PROPHECY (related to 9/11)! I am not even joking!

    4. Zerubabbel once again states that “God” caused us to not send our money to him, and is causing us to continue NOT BELIEVING Zerubabbel as we continue mock him. Then, with absolutely no IRONY in his voice whatsoever, Zerubabbel says/asks “Why don’t you BELIEVE him ?”…. meaning God, and thus Zerubabbel himself!

    LMAO!! I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I heard him say it. This complete idiot has no idea he contradicts himself practically every third word! God “made” us not believe, so “why don’t we believe?” LOL! It reminds me of Homer in The Simpsons Movie where he says, “Oh! Why does everyone I whip leave me?”

    No matter how stupid this bumbling nitwit gets, he always finds a new way to steal Defeat from the Jaws of Victory!! LOL!

  • martin says:

    Probably 75 years or so ago, Z would have been committed to an insane asylum.

    While technically not his daughter, isn’t polygamy still illegal? (he calls his wife and daughter in law…wives)

    It tragic that Z believes his own nonsense, but that his wife and daughter seem incapable of seeing through his bull**** is even more tragic.

    I do not fault him for believing differently, I fault him for spewing out utter nonsense, and claiming titles left and right that belong to others (David’s king position among others). No, the guy is a schizoid lunatic.

  • martin says:

    Z’s wife said we couldn’t prove him wrong…

    I would say, prove that he is right, as NOTHING he’s prophesied has come true, not one jot, not one tittle.

    One who claims to be a prophet, and utters a prophecy that fails to come to pass is a false prophet. Z has spoken multiple failed prophecies….really ALL of what he’s said has failed to come to pass. I think this qualifies as being a false prophet.

    True prophets don’t have a good batting average, everything they speak comes to pass perfectly as spoken.

  • martin says:

    Z is doing the numbers dance in his latest video, it’s enough to make a math teacher’s head spin…..

    It all ridiculous nonsense.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Remember… this is the same lunatic that said that JESUS himself PROPHESIED that he, Zerubabbel, would have no place to lay his head! Whatever is going on in Z’s mind certainly has no meaningful relationship with Reality. You can’t get reality through that layers of that kind of stupidity. Even the two delusional dummies that followed Zerubabbel couldn’t stomach his perversion… even THEY left!

    So it looks like Zerubabbel…(who can’t understand how we refuse to give him money after he told us god is making us not giving him money!)… is having trouble keeping his lunacy solvent. The more this chromosomal nitwit trumpets his anti-Christ nonsense the worse his situation gets… and yet he thinks this is a good thing! LOL!

    Honestly… he has mentally devolved so far that I would NOT be surprised if he started having romantic feelings for the remaining nanny-goat in his little camp…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Do not really care hearing about the sexual deviate “Z”

    What does this have to do with weinland?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Weinland says: “This is an account of what is clearly expected to occur on June 9, 2019…”.

    PROPHECIES ARE NOT “EXPECTATIONS”. LOL! Case Closed: Weinland has already openly admitted June 9, 2019 is a failure (which he always knew). He now has 594 days in which to craft his new Jesus-related lies. A prophet that has ANY doubt? Oh CONald Weinfraud… you are so naked to the world.

    June 9, 2019… I think I will have a mocking party that day…

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I think hearing about “Z” shows how perverted someone that was taught by Ron really gets. Just think what the rest of the group has to look forward to.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Zerubabbel is the kind of thing that emerges from a Weinland after years of preconditioning by an Armstrong. The average ex-PKGer is just angry or bitter, and rightfully so. It takes decades of HWA and PKG to send someone off to be who Zerubabbel is. Of course, he has Jerusalem Syndrome and malignant narcissism mixed in too, though he only made it to Tel Aviv and not the actual city of Jerusalem itself… thanks to the Israeli police locking him up in a psychiatric ward near the airport for seven hours.

    Weinland/Zerubabbel = two heads on a hydra made of HWA’s own delusions….

  • martin says:

    Weinland says: “This is an account of what is clearly expected to occur on June 9, 2019…”.

    Do you have a timestamp for this?

  • Plimsol says:

    In saying that the sealing of the 144,000 is not yet complete, Ron is doing more than contradicting a previous sermon. He is contradicting the Truths of God.

    Truth 45 and Truth 50 both state that the sealing has been completed. Truth 50, in particular, says it multiple times and at some length.

    Ron currently teaches that at least three of the Truths are not true. 45, 49 (Ron says that God has put the Thunders on hold, which means they have not happened “precisely as foretold”) and 50. 50 is untrue for many reasons, including its statement that God has not yet revealed the date of Christ’s return, and its statement that we are currently awaiting the second year of the Eternal – a revelation from God that Ron now says was never revealed.

    Also Truth 47(I think it is) seems a bit dodgy, because it implies, without actually sta ting, that the great tribulation will begin in November 2015.

    It’s worth pointing this out, because one of the things Ron will say when nothing happens in 2019 is that we still know his is the one true Church, because it has the Truths (in fact he says that at the beginning of the LGD sermon). But the Truths seem somewhat unreliable, to say the least.

  • Fooled no More says:

    Aaaah Plimsol! You just know Ron will come up with the whole “present truth” garbage! So today’s truths are not really truths because well—-they’re not the PRESENT truths at least by next year. Did I get that right???

    No wonder he’s referred to as Wacky Weinland!

  • Enough is Enough says:


    That was a brilliant analysis of wacky weinland’s management of lies!!

    This is what happens over time, the lies become so numerous that they become very difficult to manage.

    Great Job!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey wacko weinland!!!

    Are all of your lies becoming difficult to manage these days!?

    Plimsol just took you apart with all of your misleading truths that are not actually truths at all according to your mouth!! You are just like a timex watch that keeps on ticking except in your case you just keep on lying and misleading!!! That is one hell of a life you are living wacky weinland!!!

    lies lies and more lies!!!!!

  • Randy terlecki says:

    Ron has nothing to do with God , Ron is a lien asshole never in 15 years has one thang happen but stealing your tights !!!!

  • Eric says:

    Ron is trying to weasel out of the 2019 date and carefully removing all references to that date so he can say he never actually committed to that date.

    Yes you did Ron. From your own words –

    “His second book, 2008 – God’s Final Witness, begins to PINPOINT THE TIMING and unfold the remainder of major end-time events, building upon what the first book covered. This book reveals the opening of the Seventh Seal (the last seal to be opened), which occurred in 2008, and reveals the meaning of the Seven Trumpets that are contained in that Seventh Seal. It also reveals the Seven Thunders of Revelation, which John was forbidden to record. However, it also needs to be made clear that ALL INITIAL TIMING mentioned in this book has been moved forward by EXACTLY SEVEN YEARS.

    Thus said the greatest prophet of all time.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Eric, there’s no getting out of this one for Ron! He can deny 2019 all he’d like, but this post here says it all. And as we all know, “The internet never forgets”! 😉

    Now that I’ve shown what his own words are…….don’t be surprised if all of a sudden it “magically” disappears. They’re real slick at trying to cover they’re own tracks, but there’s this little thing with computers called screenshots, and I’m good at doing that!

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland’s “Present Truth” doctrine….it’s blasphemous and hilarious at the same time.

    Ron claims to have gotten this doctrine from the bible, that anybody would remotely believe such a doctrine is very sad. I mean the brain cells must be dying to accept this doctrine.

    Ron (ab)uses this verse
    (2Pe 1:12) Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the *present truth*.

    The verse is NOT supporting the idea that a new present truth is meant to supplant an “old” present truth that has been falsified. The verse is talking about a truth PRESENTLY UNDER DISCUSSION. Not some truth that is supplanting some other truth. THE IDEA IS ABSURD. It means God can’t get truth right, and is constantly supplanting one truth for another truth. It’s a heresy. Ron should be afraid of being turned into a pile of ash for teaching such a monstrous lie.

  • martin says:

    The 2019 date, is based on numerology given to Ron by God Himself.

    So God is using a form of divination (numerology is a popular for of divination it seems, check out Z’s utter nonsense), which God Himself condemns to inform a prophet of His Will. (let’s overlook the miscalculations and illogical reasoning used to come up with the numbers, oh, let’s forget the convenient padding by other numbers to make the calculations come out right…..)

    Sounds absurd?

    It is.

  • martin says:

    Mike put together a nice “chart” listing all the inaccuracies, that God (who apparently can’t do math right) gave to Ronald Weinland. I don’t have the link off hand though…..

  • Ronco says:

    “Ron (ab)uses this verse
    (2Pe 1:12) Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the *present truth*.”

    A closer look at that verse:

    Hi Ron!

  • Plimsol says:


    I don’t think Ron is trying to weasel out of the 2019 date yet. Most of the Feast sermons, and others recently, are predicated on the assumption that Christ’s return is imminent.

    The 2019 date is part of Truth 43, and Truth 47.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Weinland says: “This is an account of what is CLEARLY EXPECTED to occur on June 9, 2019…”.

    Compare the two statements:

    1. “Jesus WILL return on June 9th, 2019”.

    2. “Jesus is clearly expected to return on June 9th, 2019″.

    3. One is certain the other leaves room for doubt. No #1 is a prophecy. No. 32 is a prediction. Isaiah was called a prophet n the Bible not a predictor.

    4. The KEY to true or failed prophecy is CHANGE. If nothing changes at/in a moment that is tied to prophecy, it is not a prophecy… it is/was a prediction and thus inconsequential. If it is inconsequential, then how can it be a prophecy that requires obedience to the prophet or the (supposed) god that gave it?

    5. Ronald Weinland is a False Prophet because all of what he has said has brought about Zero % of the changes he has demanded we believe will occur. Not only that, his non-prophecies, his predictions have been wrong as well. So not only is he 100% not a prophet, he is also 100% wrong as a predictor.

    6. Thus, all prophecy, prediction, and gambling is based on a percentage of CHANGE at the moment of/after the fact.

    7. NOTHING changes any/every time Weinland opens that fecal sluice of his he calls a mouth…

    …”clearly expected” is the phraseology of a weasel…

  • Eric says:

    “As a matter of faith and of seeing a clear, clarified, and completed picture of God’s purpose from the Apostasy to Christ’s return, I do not believe it is possible that this new date has any error or lack of understanding in its calculation (which will be addressed a little later). Having said that, if for any reason the timing were to go beyond this new date in 2019, then we can be certain that God will reveal much more to us in order to give us even greater understanding, just as He has in the past. If indeed this proved to be the case, we would simply continue moving forward, following Him wherever He leads His Church. ”

    I remember leaving a comment in another post where he said something like “I believe it will all my heart that he will come in 2019” but then again left himself an out similar to the above just after it. I have looked for this but can’t find it yet.

    Avalokiteshvara also found an example posted above.

    I think he is leaving an out for himself and will do so increasingly as the date gets closer. These are weasel words to me.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I find it very interesting that this discussion of wacky weinland’s “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” has been going on for several months now.

    We are not prophets here but it is extremely easy to “discern” wacky weinland’s false prediction for 2019. It is also understood that wacky weinland is going to either “hype” Christ’s return or he is going to change the date “again”! It is becoming not only apparent but visible that he is laying the groundwork for the “new lie” that will change the date. What a lying jerk he is!!!

    I am looking forward to June 2018 because that is when wacky weinland will have to make his move. Either “hype” the prediction because as a “witness” or “watchman” this is what you are suppose to do or change the date! I may take the opportunity to say that “if” wacko weinland is going to change the date it will happen during the FOT of 2018 which is in the month of September (24-10/1) of 2018 – any bets??

    It will be an enlightening endeavor to watch this one play out!!

    lies lies and more lies!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    He will probably use the “it can all happen in one day” excuse again for the 4th time. He can also even use “it can all happen in the last hour of June 9th” excuse again as well. Either way, he will start weaseling even more, as he is now.

  • martin says:

    There are a LOT of things that happen….

    Can it happen in one day? I don’t think so.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Reality or Scripture or anything at all matter zero to Weinland. One thing matters… keeping as much money rolling in as he can. Thus, he will cheat and lie as much as possible. He was jailed for lying and cheating. Nothing will stop him from doing it until he gets caught again or people just stop giving him money. Nothing else matters.

  • martin says:

    ” Having said that, if for any reason the timing were to go beyond this new date in 2019, then we can be certain that God will reveal much more to us in order to give us even greater understanding, just as He has in the past. ”

    As if.

    Ron (proven thief, proven liar, proven false prophet, proven hedonist…) seems to think God has been working with him him in the past, and is currently working with him…..

    It is absurd to think God works this way, that is, God gives His prophet all this understanding of the timing which CAN’T be in error (it’s from God). But then it turns out to be COMPLETELY FALSE, and then God has to correct Himself and His prophet with new and better and improved understanding.


    And more lunatic to espouse or teach or believe He works this way.

    Your brain cells are DYING if you believe God works this way.

  • martin says:

    Like I’ve said, we’re all human, and our understanding is not always perfect (even the bible supports this).

    BUT with TRUE PROPHETS, the case is different. Now even true prophets are human, but when it comes to giving a prophecy (‘ex cathedra’ if you will), if the prophecy is from God, and God is speaking through a true prophet, to dispence the message to the church or the masses….then the prophecy will happen exactly as spoken….

    Look at Moses…a true prophet….
    1) explicit at to what plague or event will happen
    2) explicit as to who the plague or event will fall upon
    3) explicit as to timing of the event
    4) explicit as to how long plague/event will endure
    5) explicit as to when plague/event/punishment will be lifted.


  • martin says:

    With Ron….it’s “we don’t know, we live by faith”…..sounds biblical, sounds spiritual, sounds ethical.


  • Glad I'm Free says:

    No it’s not, horse manure does have a use, to fertilize the ground. What Ron is doing has no use, to anybody!!!!

  • Randy terlecki says:

    Did I ever say how much I hate these theirs Ron and Laura , FELONE crook lier , just making sure I thought they died in streets Israel ! To bad they didn’t !!!

  • Fooled no More says:

    GIF, at least horse manure’s stink fades over time. Not so with Ron! That funk can be with you for many, many years and never really quite goes away! 😉

  • Randy terlecki says:

    Ron and Laura the assholes are going to die and bury just like the rest of us ,not in no streets of Isreal

  • martin says:

    When Ronald Weinland says there will be a FOT next year, he’s basically saying his prophecy is false.

    How can the PKGers not figure this out?????????????????????????????????

    He KNOWS nothing he’s prophesied, and I mean NOTHING, will come true from now till the next FOT.

    He already knows this, and has basically told the PKGers this when he makes these kinds of announcements.

    Ron could say outloud, have a whole sermon, telling PKGers he’s false and nothings going to happen, and the PKGers whose brain cells are dying, would still follow him.

    Don’t believe me?

    There’s one “christian” pastor that was on the news a few years ago. He explicitly stated to his church he was the anti-christ. And the members still followed him, still believed in him. It’s amazing how dumb people can be. I think he even got “666” tattooed onto himself somewhere, I think on his arm. And the church followers still attended his services.
    Why would they continue to follow a man who said such things????? They should run for the door.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Welcome to the world of insanity and fools

  • martin says:

    Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda:

    “The minister has the number 666 tattooed on his arm.

    But Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda is not your typical minister. De Jesus, or “Daddy” as his thousands of followers call him, does not merely pray to God: He says he is God.

    “The spirit that is in me is the same spirit that was in Jesus of Nazareth,” de Jesus says.

    But even de Jesus concedes that he is an unlikely leader of a church that claims thousands of members in more than 30 countries.

    De Jesus, 61, grew up poor in Puerto Rico. He says he served stints in prison there for petty theft and says he was a heroin addict.

    So far, de Jesus says that his flock hasn’t been scared off by his claims of being the Antichrist….

    A fool and his money and salvation are soon departed it seems…..

    They shouldn’t be surprised when the “reapers” come to gather all anti-Christs to be burnt….

  • martin says:

    Apparently he died of cirrhosis of the liver on November 17 of 2013…so much for his god-hood and divinity.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Conald Weinfraud has cirrhosis of the soul, which has led to sever spiritual scarring of the PKG. Fool them once, shame on Ron. Fool them twice, shame on them. Fool them for YEARS? You really have to want fooled…

  • Randy terlecki says:

    Hahahaha the asshole and gossip Qween are going to Vages and he is telling the old people if they don’t tighted they are stealing from God I wonder how much they are stealing from God ! You rotten no good assholes !!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Fascinating how a CONVICTED TAX FRAUD has a problem with “stealing”…

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ain’t that the truth! It’s like the pot calling the kettle black, or the piss calling the poop “stinky”! 😉

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmmmm what happens in Vages stays in Vages.

    We need drones to track this wacky weinland and his whatever sidekick!!!!!

  • FedUp says:


    Interesting thought. Anyone in Vegas? It would be great to know where he gets to in Sin City.

  • Eric says:

    Ron’s made another post on and he has got a new website.

    Its taken the greatest prophet of all time over a year to make his book available on the internet as a single PDF. He is really hastening the work and concerned about warning the world.

    I love this bit from the new website: “Ronald Weinland is the author of three books. These books reveal prophetic end-time events that have been rapidly accelerating over the past 12”.

    What prophetic end time events are happening?

    What’s worse he then cherry picks his prophecies and ihas been focusing on nuclear war becuase that could happen very quickly but that’s only a small part of what he has said. He is conveniently not mentioning all the signposts for the European nations and the USA. Why? because they take time to happen. if he focuses on nuclear war then it could happen at the very last moment.

    How about just one –
    “The heart of Europe thirsts for a revived Europe of old, and God has revealed that they will attain it and become the strongest power the earth has even known”. Conveniently not mentioning this are you.

    The combined armies/navies/air forces of Europe pale in significance to the United states of America. The European union and its much weaker than it has been in the past. This sort of thing can’t happen at the last minute Ron. It tales years and years, if not decades to make a nation the most powerful on the earth. Their is just not enough time before 2019 for this to happen.

    The only thing that is rapidly accelerating is the number of members leaving his church as we get closer to 2019 as they open their eyes and see how rapidly accelerating has turned into slothful idling.

  • Ronco says:

    Ron’s blathering now- only about 80 watching…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Old nit wit weinland is attempting to recreate the good old days of 2008. What a massive joke this is!!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ron’s just a microcosm for the rest of Armstrongism. All of the splinters adhere to the same basic prophecy mold. Some leaders declare themselves prophets and apostles, and exaggerate more. But, not one of them accepted reality after the great disappointment of 1975. The thing is, you can excite a sense of urgency amongst young people who believe they have their entire lives ahead of them, and want to make sure their families receive supernatural protection. You just can’t build that same level of urgency amongst people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s. Speaking of Vegas, when the bullets rained down at the country music festival, some of the senior citizens laid down on top of the younger people to protect them. People later quoted these seniors as saying things like “I’ve lived my life. You have yours yet ahead of you!” Those are the words of wisdom from the grey demographic, honest, because they were uttered in a life-threatening scenario.

    Armstrongism is burned out. People are beginning to realize that they dedicated their entire lives to an inferior philosophy, whose flagship events have been misswritten into our present times by the clueless followers of a false teacher. It’s not as if any of the splinters are somehow getting it right. There isn’t a single runaway success amongst the lot of them. You’ve got to know that when Dixon Cartwright is shuttering The Journal, a newspaper dedicated to holding it all together, it’s pretty much over. If you like the sabbath, holy days and clean meats, great! Enjoy them with your family. Just don’t expect the prophesies to finally kick in. People have probably made about as much money from teaching those as they’re going to.

    On the other hand, not a bad idea to maintain as low a carbon footprint as possible!


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Conald Weinfraud has NO idea what he is saying.. and has to completely avoid the Bible to say anything at all. There is NO way Europe produces the army he says it will, what an total moron!

    Revelation 9 states that an army of 200 MILLION horsemen riding fire breathing horses will be running around right before Christ returns. So that means there HAS to be 200 MILLION horses being gathered and prepped for this event. And this is supposed to happen before June 9, 2019? LMAO!

    1. A single horse drink about 7 gallons a day on average.

    2. That is 1.4 BILLION gallons of water a DAY these horses will have to consume to stay alive.

    3. If we just measure the number of days between now and June 9, 2018… that’s over 302 point 4 BILLION gallons of water necessary to keep them alive!!

    4. Where is this water coming from Ron? 1.4 BILLION gallons of water will be around on that SINGLE day you stupid false prophecy will occur?

    Conald Swineland has an IQ that can be measured in potatoes…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Just a quick thought, are there art auctions that take place in Vegas??

    I wonder if wacky weinland was auctioning off some of his ill-begotten art? If so, then that is a big indicator that the cash flow is drying up!!!

    Does anyone have an answer for this?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BTW, horses are symbolic of military armored vehicles, tanks, troop transport, etc.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I agree with you, The Bible is all figurative!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Here is the real deal. I’ve been saying for years that Armstrongism only understands perhaps a partial smattering of 2/3 of God. They never have understood the Holy Spirit, which has all sorts of ramifications when you think about it. This is why all of the Armstrongites usurp the role of the Holy Spirit in a Christian’s life and conversion by insisting on their own harsh authority and micro-supervision of members. Isn’t it interesting that for decades, Herbert Armstrong taught that Pentecost, which symbolizes the descent of the Holy Spirit upon Earth and Christians was on the wrong day? It means that there is no way that the Holy Spirit could have inspired all of the prophecies common to the Armstrongite groups, because these were concocted while Pentecost was being kept on the wrong day. Even later, when the day it was observed was corrected, they still kept teaching that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force, rather than an interactive, sentient being who indwells the hearts and minds of Christians. They continued their harsh and unnecessary authority, making all members miserable rather than able to live a victorious and joyous life. Ron and all the other Armstrongites teachers are incapable of being anything but bogus. It is just not within them to be truthful and righteous teachers.


  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey weinland!! Where are You!!??

    There is a lot happening on the world stage!! Didn’t you say that it would be your responsibility to mange all of these events?

    Well, where are you!!??

    lies lies and more lies

  • Ozymandias says:

    Where is he? Why he’s right there, biding his time, waiting for a rich widow to drop dead. Then, he will move “ headquarters “to Europe to “ be near the kids.” Ron’s hay day is over and he knows it, so it’s just a little waiting game now. He is no different than any COG minister waiting out the time til retirement on the golf course. Taking advantage of well intentioned people who think they need help to be close to God.

  • martin says:

    Eric : “Why? because they take time to happen. if he focuses on nuclear war then it could happen at the very last moment. ”

    It’s not called the 1 Day of Tribulation, it’s supposed be 1260 days long….

    All that happens, as Eric mentioned TAKES TIME…..

    Now, the bible says that the False Prophet/Beast Leader CONTINUES FOR 1260 DAYS….NOT START…..most people miss this important point.

    So what does that mean????? It means they both will exist and rule and be on the world scene BEFORE THE FINAL 3 1/2 YEARS.

    How long is this period? The bible is silent. But all these things take a tremendous amount of effort to bring about and take TIME…..

    If only PKGers could consider that simple little fact, instead they blindly follow Ronald Weinland…Now EVEN RON knew it would take a lot of time for these things to happen, but he aborted all common sense and went with the “it will happen in 1 day” nonsense, because nothing he said was happening, so he opted out for this, because he could draw out his followers up to the last day.

    Then he added a year (The first Day of the Lord)
    nothing happened.
    Then he added another year (another DOTL, but this was the “day”time DOTL, the previous one was the “night”time DOTL….lol isn’t it?)
    nothing happened.

    Then he came up with the 2019 date, based on numerological calculations…..

    Makes sense now?

    I didn’t think so.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… Ron’s hay day is over and he knows it, so it’s just a little waiting game now …” Ozy

    I couldn’t agree with you more Ozy.

    Old old decrepit weinland is just that, old and decrepit!!

    All you hear now is nothing but regurgitation and rehash of all of his previous failures. I have noticed he is staying far far away from HIS “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019”!! Old old weinland should be sounding all of the trumpets and alarms about that day he has falsely prophesied on. But, you hear nothing at all!! I guess he hasn’t figured out what being a watchman is all about. He is just another loud mouthed failure that everyone has gotten very tired of hearing.

    Time is running out on old old weinland.

  • martin says:

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but I was spot checking his latest youtube video sermon….

    The guy looked nervous and troubled, like he was caught with pants down, and was hoping nobody noticed.

  • Ronco says:

    Hey Ron, how are things in Vegas???

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ron’s latest sermon is “God’s Original True Church Pt. 3”. The COG-PKG is about as original as a dump in the toilet, and we all know what that’s full of! 😉

    Martin, Ron should be VERY nervous about now! Here we are with 2018 nigh on our doorstep, and still there are crickets chirping as far as what he said would be happening about “now”. Interesting how there are things being revealed in the world otherwise that are turning out to be complete frauds.

    Hollywood, Sports, music stars, it’s almost as if was all meant to be happening now, and we see it all in 3D……….Ron’s the latest (and has been for a while) to be exposed as a TOTAL fraud!

  • Ronco says:

    Ron is supposed to be in Vegas and all we get is a pre-recorded service from Wonka Wayne…

  • Eric says:

    In “God’s Original True Church, Part 3” he spent the first 45 minutes basically speaking to his notes and just looking up at the audience occasionally. Very poor presentation style. After that, he seems to pick up a bit. I think his heart is not in it anymore till he talks himself into it. He knows that it is not working out.

    He’s not going to gain any members with a dynamic speaking style that’s for sure.

  • Randy terlecki says:

    Ron and OJ must have went to Vages for a FELONES meeting or reunion!

  • Enough is Enough says:


    I agree with you that old man weinland has lost his “mojo” when it comes to his scheme to defraud those who will give him the time of day. Old man weinland knows that his predicted day of June 9, 2019 is “not” going to happen. He knows this!!!! And I would say that there is a substantial number of his followers are seeing this as well. No doubt, some are already leaving and more will do so as the date of his “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” draws closer. Also, his health is failing and the stress of all this will take its toll to the point he will not be able to do it anymore. But, as I have always suspected, his wife is the one who is the driving force behind this fraudulent scheme known as pkg, to the point, of causing her husband failing health!! The only problem is that the scheme has failed and they (weinland) will find themselves with nothing. The entire scheme was all about money and still is!!

    All of his efforts of presenting himself on YouTube and setting up a website for a third book which is nothing more than the same of the first two books which turned to be a load of horse manure has failed to produce the wealth they are seeking!! As Ozy stated, his day has come and gone!! And as the days march towards his Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019 he will be demanding money from those who are left.

    Listen up members of pkg!! Try this, start by reducing your giving of money to support weinland’s lifestyle and watch what will happen. I assure you that weinland will not kick you out because as long as you are sending money in to him he will keep you there but he will try to shame you through his thug elders. It is nothing but empty threats coming from his mouth and his wife’s demand that you pay up!! Have some fun with this and you will see the true color of the weinlands.

    Hey Johnny! Are you still part of this!?

  • Ozymandias says:

    They keep a close eye on who’s tithing what. And I’ve seen a certain someone order a person into the hallway for a chat. Still keeping an eye on rich widows. Even if something happened to Ron , they would take care of Laura. They’re not as broke as people think they are. Always got a little iron in the fire. Don’t underestimate their craftiness, they learned from the best.

  • Eric says:

    Just noticed in the upcoming trips that they are all Ron and the second witness. Nobody else.

  • Excogger says:

    Eric,Ron’s probably economising while he visits Sin City. He needs all the cash he can spare to invest at the blackjack tables. All for the church, of course.
    I’ve read all the New Testament, but so far I am unable to find any Godly people who were gambling and advocated the practice as a means of building good character in individuals. If I was a spiritual leader I would avoid casinos like the plague! Not that I am any “better” than Ron, but it seems his presence at a house of gambling could be seen by some to be setting a poor example to the PKG flock.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    I find that to be interesting to say the least. I look at this in meaning several thoughts:

    1) old man weinland and his sidekick have decided to play act and act out the presence of the two witnesses on the world’s stage. But here is the problem, who are they addressing the world or their own?? If it is their own then it is meaningless. Such play acting will go nowhere!!!

    2) It could be economical as well, paying for others airfares may have disrupted the cash flow to the weinland’s bank accounts. Having the guest travelers pay their own way will not happen. That would probably cut into the weinland’s profit centers (individuals). And finally:

    3) old man weinland’s health may also be a factor. He would not want a guest traveler to see how the exhaustion results in an extended stay in bed. The stress of knowing he has failed again is taking its toll and the weinlands now have to engage in some sort of deception to hold to what they have today. So now it come to “show time” and it will be entertaining to watch!!!!

    lies and deceptions is the name of the game they play

  • martin says:

    I don’t see anything in the news about any man breathing fire in Las Vegas.

    Maybe Ronald Weinland is a false prophet after all(?)

  • martin says:

    Rev 11:3-6
    (3)  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    (4)  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
    (5)  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
    (6)  These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

    Why do people have difficulty doing this? I are people duped SO EASILY??????

    1) They prophesy
    2) They do so for 1260 days not once a week
    3) The WHOLE WORLD takes notice, otherwise they would not later rejoice at the death of 2 people they didn’t know or were aware of.
    4) The TW’s breath fire
    5) They KILL THEIR ENEMIES (they are in fact commanded to do so)
    6) They can shut the heavens and cause drought
    7) They can turn waters to blood
    8) They can call any amount and variety of other plagues AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION.

    Has Ronald Weinland or his lazy wife done anything remotely close to these things?


  • martin says:

    Ron, if you are reading this….then CLEARLY you are not fulfilling anything.

    Do you want to wait till the “reapers” (angels) come to take all false prophets to be burnt????

    I think, unfortunately you will, you love money too much to give it up now.

    Just because you believe you are one of the TW’s does not make it so.

  • martin says:

    I do notice that the coward Ronald Weinland does not threaten this sites owner or posters with death.

    Why not?

    According to Ron himself (I looked at the greek, and this does seem to be true), in Rev. 11, it says that any that try to “hurt” any one of the TW’s, it is commanded by God, that they be put to death. Ron explained in one post or sermon, I forget where, that “hurt” does not necessarily mean only physically attacked and hurt, that it could also apply to things like insults or angry criticism.

    As I said, this does seem to be implied by the Greek, so I would agree with that interpretation.

    So? Where is the death penalty for all the critical comments made by posters here (and of course elsewhere)????

    Could Ron the Cowardly Lion, realize he has no say or authority or power to do so? I think he realizes it now. He has no power. God has not given it to him.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    Speaking of prophecy…

    Our old frenemy Zerubabbel The Completely Insane Not-For-Prophet routinely states that Christians and JEWS (!!) have written the Bible wrong. So whenever quotes Scripture he gets out his Strong’s Concordance or else just wings it and writes what he feels. In his latest video he quotes Micah 4:8 “And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion”…etc, etc. But no, Zerubabbel is not happy with that…

    …go and watch the entire video up to 22:32 and you will explode with laughter once you see the Scripture in context (22:32) with the video, wherein Zerubbabel is calling for young women to join in building God’s Holy Kingdom. It is hilariously repulsive!

  • martin says:

    I don’t know what translation Z is using, I doubt it is any one, it sounds made up and paraphrased.

    Micah 4:8 is “Mic 4:8  And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem. ”

    Where he gets “testicle” from, who knows….he is crazy.

  • martin says:

    Micah 4:8 as read by Z….
    “And you are the tower of the flock and the testicle of the daughter of Zion…”

    You can’t make this stuff up. The guy is certifiably insane. It will take his own death at the hand of angels to make him see how messed up and wrong he is.

    That is tragic.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Zerubabbel makes me laugh so often when I am not shaking my head at his lunacy.

    He often calls Christianity and Judaism “blasphemous”, yet he bases his religion on them!! LOL! If his claims are accurate, then he is tacitly calling himself a blasphemer worshipping his own god (Yahweh. Zerubabbel never fails to contradict and condemn himself sentence by sentence, often word by word! As you all know, I am a complete and total atheist, but I would love to believe in the Bible… in order to see a warrior angel fly down during the Tribulation while Zerubbabel is blabbering about his nonsense and jam a silver spear covered in golden Scriptures straight down Z’s throat.

    Next thing you know Zerubabbbel will be translating Scriptures like this (Matthew 6:25): “Therefore I tell you, do not worry on and for squirrel, for swimming pools give me money and Japan and I am the Walrus tee hee boys are girls you are all doomed I am the King of Tee Hee why don’t you believe they are foreclosing on my goat, OBEY GOD!!

  • Plimsol says:

    Ron has amended the 50th Truth (again). It’s fascinating to watch the devious and completely cynical way he works.

    In the latest post on his website he repeats what he has said recently in sermons, that the 144,000 are not yet all sealed. It’s now clear why he is saying this. He has found a passage in Revelation (7:1-4) which, wrenched out of context, suggests that end time events are held back pending the sealing of the 144,000. He is clearly under pressure to explain why nothing is happening, when he previously said that this time we would have three and a half years of real physical tribulation, as opposed to the spiritual tribulation allegedly previously experience by the church.

    As I pointed out earlier in this thread, the problem with his new story is that it directly contradicts “Truth” 50. (And Truth 45). He had a major problem with 50 anyway, as it said that Christ would return at the end of the second “Day of the Lord”, the timing of which was yet to be revealed.

    In his most recent sermon (God’s Original True Church, Pt. 3) he says (page 14 of the transcript) that one of the Truths “is being tweaked a little bit right now. Not changed, but tweaked, added to”.

    In fact he has completely rewritten, and changed not tweaked, the second half of Truth 50, so that it now says that the 144,000 have NOT yet been sealed. And the second “Day of the Lord” is now the final 50 days before Christ’s return.

    Truth 50 is now a pile of incomprehensible junk, full of sub-clauses, square brackets and bold type, desperately trying but failing to make sense. At one point Truth 50 was about how Christ was returning in 2012. It had a load of stuff at the beginning that said how this would show Ron was right and all the mockers were wrong, which at least made sense in its own terms. But he’s left all that in the new version, so that now all the scoffers and mockers are going to put to shame by, er, the Feast of Trumpets in 2008 being “the last stage for choosing those who are to be in the final sealing.”

    It’s a classic case of Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    I love the research you are doing. It is terrific!!

    I was in weinland’s gulag when weinland announced that the 144k were sealed and that came directly to him from God and that the Angels, before the Throne of God, were celebrating because now they knew who they would be serving and that CANNOT be changed even if sin was involved, according to weinland, because God KNEW THEM and that was it!!!

    So now it is all turned around and a mess. Weinland is a liar and will stoop to nothing to keep his scam going.

    Lies Lies and More Lies!!! Weinland just keeps on lying and twisting former statements just like a timex watch keeps on ticking!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    weinland’s “GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019” is getting closer and closure and the scramble is on to explain this coming failure!!!!!

    Hey Captain “Hook” weinland!!! Is the ticking clock in that gator’s belly getting closer? Can yo hear it yet? That gator is coming to finish you off and on his back is written the GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019!!!

    You day of doom is coming weinland!! tick tock tick tock

    I await this day with great anticipation to finally to see the end of a lying thief weinland and company. Is the sweat beginning to roll down your bald head liar!?

  • martin says:

    That’s the thing about the truth…

    You don’t have to keep track of it, you don’t have to delete it when nobody is looking, you don’t have to tweak it.

    Lies on the other hand, run around the world.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    My parent’s taught me long long ago how difficult it is to manage lies and mis-truths. It is only a matter of time when you will contradict yourself and the real truth will come out.

    Through out my adult life I have seen this very thing happen many times over. Apparently weinland has not learned this lesson of life and now he is in trouble because his lies are now out of control and any explanation to white wash the lie will only lead to other questions. Plimsol is an excellent example on how easy it is to expose the lie. Weinland is a gross contradiction of a truthful individual.

    I will admit that there were times when I did lie about something and it didn’t take long for it to be exposed. Management of lies is a very very difficult thing to do. Weinland is now realizing that he is trapped in his own lies and is desperately trying to cover them up. Sorry about that weinland it isn’t going to work for you.

    Days of Reckoning are upon you weinland and it will expose you for what you really are – a lying thief!!!!

  • martin says:

    EiE : “Management of lies is a very very difficult thing to do.”

    …should be made into a plaque….

    then glued to Ron’s forehead…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ahhh… Ronald Weinalnd and his ever evolving lies….does this sound familiar Ronnie?

    “THE 144,000 WERE SEALED IN 2008… except they weren’t though I am not wrong because my god has a plan and I am still not wrong and god makes no mistakes and I am not a false prophet because they are sealed again in 2009 for sure… oops! they were not but I am still not wrong and god doesn’t lie because they are now for sure sealed in 2012 because god is for sure right, but there is a new vision for the church because he is changing his mind again and I am not wrong because the 1444, 000 re now unsealed and resealed for 2019 and probably will be unsealed again because though I am not wrong I probably will be wrong because I am always right but I could be wrong because my god is never wrong… save for when he changes his mind and is wrong…which is “right” because he is never wrong… so give me all your money so I can go to Las Vegas!”

    Oh Conald Swineland… your lust for money and love of lies is extremely obvious…

  • Ronco says:

    Hi Ron!!!

  • martin says:

    I know I keep repeating it, but Ron’s ABSURD doctrine about what he terms the Present Truth©, has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You have to be BRAIN DEAD, to believe this doctrine.

    One of Jesus’ names or terms applied to Him is “The Truth”.

    But Ron has “the truth” as some ever changing ambiguous morphing entity.

    This idea has got to be the biggest pile of horse manure I’ve ever smelt or seen!

  • Ozymandias says:

    This is a pride problem at this point. CLEARLY he is wrong on many levels and yet people stay with him. Everyone is simply too prideful to admit they’re wrong. Most of the ones left are friends of Ron and Laura or they would be gone. Any idiot can see he is full of himself, and just wrong. It takes courage to admit when you’re wrong and they lack the guts to come forward. It’s a group mentality,and they think if they stick together they look like they know what they’re doing. I can say from experience that the vast majority don’t even know what he is talking about at this point.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Well, about 144,000 seals have actually died as a result of the global warming in the Arctic Circle. Maybe that’s what he was babbling on about. But, I’m not sure that it happened in 2,008!


  • Fooled no More says:

    Byker Bob LOL!!! 😀 😀

  • martin says:

    Ronald false prophet Weinland has a new addendum to his book…..

    Prophesy Against the Nations: A Final Commission.

    “For some time now, God has made it clear that major end-time events were indeed being held back and would not begin to be fulfilled until this book was made available on a dedicated site and available in several languages.”

    It’s not that Ron is completely false, it’s God’s fault that things have not happened.

  • martin says:

    Since prophets are supposed to actually prophesy……

    I have to ask, when will Ron actually make and announce a prophetic judgement on anybody/nation?

    You know, like Moses did….Moses said, such and such would happen, on a certain day, to a certain people, and it came to pass.

    With Ron….not so much.

  • martin says:

    Here’s some good news….Z has decided to walk around naked and barefoot for 3 years…

    I hope he does this at the store he shops for groceries.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Oh boy! One of the guys I bowled with several years ago worked in the grocery industry. An employee found feces on the floor one evening in a storage area just inside of some swinging doors leading from the main shopping areas. Security knew that that area was under camera surveillance, so they downloaded the past 24 hours footage from the correct camera. A little old lady entered, looked around, and then hiked her dress up, relieved herself, giggled and left. So, if Zerubbabel is tuned in here, this is a lesson! Be very careful in the grocery store! They’re watching for demented people!


  • Enough is Enough says:

    Like I have stated weinland just keeps on lying like a timex watch keeps on ticking!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ron stating that the “sealing” hasn’t taken place is yet more super BULL! I know this because when the original “sealing” took place, it was talked about quite a bit among my circle of folks who I had services with, who among us that were in PKG for quite some time, might be one of those sealed.

    Of course we were all speculating……little did we know this was all for naught because such a thing would never take place————-ANYTIME. This was back in the 2011-12 timeframe, so Ron once again is counting on those in PKG to have the memory of goldfish.

    So sad to see those who should remember all of this still want to be duped! 🙁

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    Wow… if you want to see living evil in progress check out Zerubabbel’s latest video. It is starts out with his usual babble but then he starts sharing his step daughter’s DIARY to show her “wonderful” “progress” towards the “light” i.e. went from doubting what Z said to getting pregnant by him.

    It starts getting dark at 20:40.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    Notice how greedy evil pigs like Zerubabbel and Weinland live off the GOVERNMENT through deception and manipulation?

    1. Zerubabbel married a woman who could support his insanity…partially through CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS since this woman has a daughter that is not Z’s.

    2. Recently Z’s step daughter stopped getting child support payments from her biological father, which went toward Z’s hut/camp.

    3. Z’s former “wife” doesn’t do anything and now doesn’t work and is not as deep into him as before.

    4. Oh, what a coincidence! Z now gets the confused and disturbed daughter pregnant so he has further psycho-spiritual control over her and thus she then will do his bidding, i.e. apply for child support and other governmental assistance programs which means he won;t have to work and just continue laying around pretending to be a prophet. THE DAUGHTER is now Z’s game and he will use her to fulfill his sick spiritual fantasies…destroying her in the process….

    5. Her diary is pretty clear evidence he is using her “huge” family dream as bait for his own lazy, delusional goals…

    I’ll bet 9 months from now “Kendra” will be handing “Daddy” her welfare benefits and there will be a new (soon to fail) goat farm…

  • martin says:

    What’s creepy is that she refers to Z as Z!

    I found that tragically funny.

    The whole entire family is mentally ill, and needs help, too bad Z seems to be getting his way.

  • martin says:

    Z is OBSESSED with numbers….his whole shtick with numbers is dizzying, how anybody could follow his rantings is beyond me…..

  • martin says:

    Here is an interesting tool that I played around with….
    It’s a speech to text tool, it’s a pain to setup as you need to install a driver, and it will only work in the Chrome browser, and you also need to have a google account, to use their google doc app, that has a speech to text option….

    I bring this up, because Z does not provide CC for his video, but I wanted to convert some of the audio for his video to text… is not a perfect speech to text conversion, but oddly, it didn’t seem to make a difference, it actually seemed to enhance the content!


    Here is the link for instructions on how to set this up:

  • martin says:

    Here is some of the rambling from his “NAKED & BAREFOOT FOR 3 YEARS” video.

    Z: “The 24th day of the 9th month has brought forth a 16 day countdown to the 10th day of the 10th month the 16 days parallel the 16 days of operation Grapes of Wrath that the most high orchestrated to begin on May 11th 1996 on his servants 8 caliber what’s the events of 9/11 2001 is that we 5 years and 5 months later on or forward 15 Center this pain and time pillow since Isaiah 55:11 signature ring that has put upon my head and then 16 years after 9/11 and to 924 caliber yesterday’s 24th day of the 9th month with 13 days after 9/11 the significance of 13 is it parallel and the 13 laps around Jericho 13 also represents one of the 52 days from mahershala to the 10th day of the 10th month the last one of these 52 days 52 days to build up the wall in the days of Noah and his family 52 years to build the build the boat the significance of the 10th day of the 10th month of the beginning of the Fall of the House of Israel and the death of the Bride of Christianity’s make balloon images of his only begotten son City of the it to the other three dates that hit his were just too it was just opening right of my mouth to come to pass…”

    Doesn’t what he says make sense now?????

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    That is hilarious. It is better than the garbage that comes from his actual mouth…

  • Fooled No More says:

    I just want to wish everyone a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING! If there’s one thing that we can all be VERY thankful for, is that we’re free from the lies and hypocrisy which is COG-PKG and their ilk.

    TRULY thankful indeed!

  • martin says:

    I’m stuffed… sleepy……..

  • Eric says:

    Two comments

    One – Still only Ron and the second witness visiting. The text at the page says “Ron & Laura Weinland continue to visit God’s churches”. Others seem to be excluded.

    Absolutely no action from Audra “Their daughter, Audra, has been ordained a prophet, even as Deborah was a prophet”. She was third highest in the hierarchy.

    No visits in Europe from Jeremy “Their son, Jeremy, has been ordained to serve as an evangelist to God’s Church”. When is the last time we have heard from him?

    They just seem to have fallen off the visiting circuit. As Ron still can’t travel outside of the United States because of his prison release conditions, the PKG must be getting thinner in Europe if Jeremy is no longer visiting PKG there. Maybe Ron’s children are wising up and distancing themselves, or tithing income continues to diminish and they just can’t afford to subsidise others to travel. Probably the latter.

    Two – The one that really gets me is the timing of his new book. “God has made it clear that major end-time events were indeed being held back and would not begin to be fulfilled until this book was made available on a dedicated site”

    The last chapter of the book was available in serial form in May 26, 2016. It has only recently become available as a complete PDF. It took him over a year to take those serial publications and put them into a single PDF file. That’s not a difficult task. i.e. effectively Ron made God wait a year till he was ready to publish the book. What he is actually doing is creating an excuse for nothing happening. He’s stringing things out to give his members something to focus on to distract them from the coming 2019 train wreck and ..

    In in his sermons still no mention of all the events that should be happening right now leading up to the conclusion. Yup Ron, keep telling them how awesome things are and how much clearer god is showing you things. Keep up the smoke and mirrors, you want to have a bit of income past that date.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    Two very good points.

    I am of the opinion that weinland’s health is not as good as some would like to think. There is no doubt in my mind that the sixty-nine year old weinland who suffers from a damaged heart needs down time to recover from these trips. weinland can no longer display himself as this lively strong falsely claimed prophet anymore. There is no doubt in my mind that he can only handle so much stress at a time. Constance traveling will be exhausting especially when the state of your heart is not good.

    I would not expect any great things from his offspring; they are exceptional frauds as well. Plus, I do not believe Jeremy is really into it. If he were, he would be up front and taking over for dear old sickly dad!!! Not Happening!!!!

    Audra, the adulterer, does not have the public presence that is needed to carry on the lie. Jeremy and Audra would be an absolute disaster!!!

    This is what I think will happen. When 2019 fails, weinland is going to disappear and I am basing this on his poor health and age. I am of the opinion he just can’t handle the stress and demand it takes to be a lying thief anymore.

  • martin says:

    LOL at Audra the Adulterer being declared a prophet….

    That has got to be the most hysterical thing I’ve heard in a while.

    The NT does mention I think two women prophets…..

    The first one was a widower that fasted and prayed for years and years and served in the Temple (which is unusual, I don’t know what the Jewish tradition is as far as allowing women to do service in the Temple). Certainly a pious woman and exemplary example for other younger women and even the younger men. The other one that I recall prophesied a famine in the region.

    BOTH WOMEN, actually prophesied things, that is, they just weren’t designated as prophets by some thieving criminal, they actually prophesied things that came true.

    With Audra the Adulteress, not so much.

  • martin says:

    I do wonder how PKGers interact with “the prophet” Audra????

    Do they accept this designation without question??????

    Do they kiss her ring when she is there?? Or “awed” by her presence?????????

    Audra! How about prophesying something! Let’s see if it comes true or not.

  • martin says:

    “2017-11-25 More on the 50th Truth”….Ronald the false prophet Weinland expounds on the 50th untruth.

    You know the one, that got modified, what? 3 or 4 times?

  • martin says:

    (ps. this is from the live feed of the sermon for today)

  • Excogger says:

    It seems that Ron & Laura will be travelling to many destinations, by air, in the coming two months.

    This should be a concern for Ron, as he will be spending many hours at high altitudes where high-energy particles ( cosmic rays ) present a very real danger for his heart and perhaps brain. Perhaps road or rail travel would be better. Or stay at home and never mind the personal appearances to rally the troops – send Johnny or Wayne on the campaign trail instead, or that other prophet in the family.

    Just a friendly warning from someone who would prefer to see you,Ron, in retirement from the propheting business.

  • Eric says:

    A significant number of revealing quotes in the latest sermon

    > who get to a point where they’re not in awe any longer. I hurt for them, in one respect, but this is something that has gone on for so long. This process continues on.

    > This process continues on. Since the Feast I am dumbfounded how much God continues to bring to the surface,

    > This Church is being cleansed and the longer we go on, the more that takes place,

    > We have a short time and yet God’s going to have His Church cleaned up. That ought to sober everyone to the core of their being. Will there be a hundred left before this is over? 200? 300? I don’t know.

    > It’s just like different ones who continue to go by the wayside. Every year people go by the wayside.

    > I’ll be candid with you; it’s just kind of wearing on me. It’s wearying. It’s wearing. It’s hard.

    > It’s hard to continue to watch people go by the wayside. It’s hard to send people letters and telling them they’re suspended or disfellowshipped.

    > This isn’t over with yet. People, some people aren’t taking this seriously yet.

    > It’s wearying. It tears me up, and I hate it. I hate it. Almost every week it just keeps happening since the Feast of Tabernacles.

    > Because I know it’s still happening. I know what’s still going on. God’s giving me a big dose of it today to see it clearly. Since the Feast, so many.

  • Fooled No More says:

    What Ron hates is the ever decreasing $$$ going into his bank account. And no, it ain’t over Ron. More and more will continue to leave as we get over closer to 2018 (just over a month now), and then the big one come 2019 when it’ll be out there for all to see what a huge lie that was.

    A total and complete fraud you and Laura turned out to be!

    You think there’s shakeups happening in the world with Hollywood, sports, politics, etc, is happening for a reason? Sure it is. God’s cleaning things up little by little and Ron Weinland will NOT be spared of this exposure and expunging.

    So yeah Ron, you SHOULD be mighty weary of all of this! It has to be utterly tiring to keep coming up with new tall tales to tell those in PKG, and still see those numbers in your bank account fall, fall, fall.

    I say to that……………….EXCELLENT!! 😀

  • Enough is Enough says:

    oh my oh my oh my!!

    poor poor cry baby weinland!!!!

    Weinland you started with a lie and you will end with a lie!!!

    You still do not get it, do you weinland!! It is you that is the problem and always has been! All this lying crap that it is others fault is now over!! As YOUR DAY COMES CLOSER YOUR GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019 (as it approaches) more and more will leave your false organization until there will be none to be seen. You will join the ranks of William Miller and David Meade!!! You were a liar in the beginning and still are.

    Why aren’t you hyping your day of disappointment (2019)!? I will tell you why, because you also know it is lie!!! So, the game now is to keep as many as you can until THAT DAY and then you will disappear because you WILL BE A PROVEN LIAR ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!! I applaud those who have finally had ENOUGH of your selfish lies – GOOD FOR THEM and I hope they take more with them!!!!

    To those who are still in pkg, do yourself a favor and cut the money off and watch what will happen!!! Old lying weinland will lose his cookies and threaten you, try it and have fun with a powerless lying fool!!! By the way weinland, are those multiple lies getting difficult to manage? It seems they are. To many lies weinalnd, to many, and now they have have become your worst nightmare!! Too bad, you deserve every bit of it and plenty more.

    Hey Johnny, still in the game of lies? You know it is all lies, don’t you. What are you going to do when all of the sheep are gone to other pastures? Will you stay or move on to another pasture or just hold on to weinland’s dying hand? You need to wake up and walk away from that lying weinland for YOUR own good. Be brave and move on!!!!

    No sympathy here for you weinland! Loving every moment of watching you drown in your sea of lies!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Yes, not in awe any longer. In awe of Ron that is. We are still in awe of God Almighty ! You could NEVER destroy that, because we had it before we met the GOG. Seems our love of God didn’t hinge on you at all, and maybe others are finally realizing the same thing. God simply never needed any of you , and he’s proved it over and over. You claim the church was cleansed of us, but where does God always say he would start? With all you you greedy ones at the temple door. You may still fool some people, but God is never fooled by anyone’s tricks. I do believe you’re all worn out. I can imagine the strain as you watch your house of cards blow into the wind.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I was reviewing Ron’s sentencing order, he is on 3 years of supervision following his release from prison. Although he gave a sermon in person in December of 2015, I believe he was on furlough and technically was not released until February of 2016. Three years from that is February of 2019, a few months before the next great disappointment. At that point he would be legally able to move to any foreign country that would accept him, such as Europe to be with Audra and Jeremy. He could continue to preach to the declining number of people who will send him tithes up until the point he is not able, such as another heart attack.

  • martin says:

    I am in awe that a single person is following this liar

  • Ozymandias says:

    Mike, I have believed all along that Ron will bolt to Europe with some excuse to be closer to the kids, and now grandkids? In his retirement, he will gladly accept any money from anyone fool enough to send it. Ron will go out with a whimper and not a bang. He will take your money and run.

  • martin says:

    Here’s the deal, it’s not just a bunch of people who disagree with Ron, or are disgruntled x-members, or some subjective matter.

    The case against Ronald Weinland is based on objective evidence concerning Ron’s activities.

    Ronald Weinland is a tax thief. This has been proven in a court of law. Ron has stolen from Caesar for many years, and it is not just small change. It is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    I like to say the Ron of the past, condemns the present Ron for being in it for the money, and for being a false prophet. The Ron of the past, KNOWS the present Ron is utterly a liar and is false.

    Ron has made official prophetic utterances, NONE OF WHICH CAME TRUE. Blames God for holding things up rather than admitting he himself was a false prophet (which he said he would do).

    The evidence legally, civilly, and even religiously is clear, Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and thief.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… because I know it’s still happening. I know what’s still going on. God’s giving me a big dose of it today to see it clearly. Since the Feast, so many …”

    “… it’s wearying. It tears me up, and I hate it. I hate it. Almost every week it just keeps happening since the Feast of Tabernacles …”

    (quotes by Lying Thief weinland)

    Hey weinland!! The truth of the matter is that “God hasn’t given you anything”, Deut 18:22!!!

    Of all the predictions you have thrown out there; how many have actually happened!? I will tell you, NONE!!!!

    All of this whining is all about the “loss of income” and nothing more!! You do not fool us anymore weinland. You have been a liar from the beginning along with your wife to defraud whoever you could and now it is drying up and you are in a panic!!!

    Your BIGGEST LIE will take place on “JUNE 9, 2019” and it will finish you. It is going on now with people leaving because your lies have been so many that the power of your lie is ineffective and no longer has the effect that you desire. So don’t play this “poor is me” crap because that is what it is crap!!!!

    If you are this all powerful whatever, why is it you have not been able to stop your critics?? Your critics have won weinland!! Where are you weinland, were is your power to deal with your critics!? The reason is clear weinland, YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE!!!!

    lies lies and more lies!!

  • Eric says:

    He can see things are not going well. What does he do. he falls back on his normal pattern of behaviour –

    > He mentions the word awesome or a variation 35 times

    > Talk about progressive revelation

    > Talk about God continues to reveal more and more to us

    > Remind members that many are called but few are chosen to justify the lack of numbers (he only finished half of scripture this but the inference was there)

    > Blame God for the few numbers: You can’t go out and give it to anyone. You can’t go out and talk your family into it, relatives into it, co-workers into it. It doesn’t work that way. God has to be involved. God has to start it. God has to do it.

    > Drop a hint and a carrot: I thought I’d just mention here too, I am awesomely excited about the next series we’re going to go into. I can’t tell you a whole lot yet, but it’s coming. Next Sabbath

    > Explain how dumbfounded he is

    > Explain how amazing everything is

    He can’t change his spots. The problems is that he used these words on the first cycle of prophecy, and the second, and the third, and now the fourth. It wearing thin especially when his members see the same pattern of world history that lead to non-fulfilment as it did the last three.

    He blames his members for the lack of commitment but he is the source of the problem. He has stopped preaching the 2019 message and they see a lukewarm preacher with a series of repetitive messages. That’s not why they joined. If you want to stop the slide Ron you need to start preaching 2019 again with strength, commitment and fire. If you don’t you may not have many left by then. Of course if you do, you will look very silly after the 2019 date. Oh the irony.

    I must have too much time on my hands again to leave this many comments!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… he has stopped preaching the 2019 message and they see a lukewarm preacher with a series of repetitive messages …” Eric


    It doesn’t get any better than this. String along weinland is trapped. To start hyping 2019, realizing it is a lie himself, will only result in total disaster. I agree, what is left of the membership are tired of the same old excuses and noting happening the way string along weinland has predicted. It is the same old repetitive pattern that he consistently follows, that has not changed. There isn’t anything left to do – there is nothing new coming from his deceptive mouth nor will it.

    Weinland created this mess by making it all about him and no one else. There will be no heir to his crumbling organization. It will die and/or disappear with him. This is desperation at its best!!!

    Enjoy the show folks, it will be fun to watch a trapped fool try to redeem himself.

  • Fooled No More says:

    If Audra is smart, and she’s pregnant like we’re all thinking……..she’ll want to keep as far away from all of her Dad’s drama as possible! Things will get hectic enough dealing with a first time pregnancy, and then taking care of a child particularly a baby.

    As was mentioned, Jeremy’s being awfully quiet as well! The last Feast I went to (2014) he had given a sermon or two. Not a peep heard from him this past sermon, so he’s certainly out of the running to “take over”. I frankly don’t think he’s all that interested along with Audra.

    They know that they’re Dad is full of it, and don’t want to be further tainted along with him. Audra got herself in enough hot water as it was due to her statement at Ron’s trial. I don’t think she wants to get anywhere close to something like that again! 😉

  • Fooled No More says:

    I meant to say above that Jeremy’s not been heard from since the Feast of ’14……… least I’ve heard nothing from him although he may have visited a congregation or two.

  • martin says:

    Wasn’t he declared a prophet like Audra?

    It’s hilarious how Ron hands out titles, like candy for a baby, and the tragic thing is that most of them like it.

    Ron handed out a bunch of “Elder” titles to a bunch of people, and they were happy to get them. That seemed to be enough to keep a PKGer in the folder, they had a title. Both men and women got these titles, even though the bible only instructs that men can have these offices. Not that women are “sub standard” in God’s eyes, it’s just the way He wants His Church government set up. But Ron is smarter than God, so Ron decided to give both women and men these titles. And they liked it.

  • Eric says:

    Jeremy was ordained an evangelist, not a prophet. From my understanding of the PKG structure this is above the Elders, senior Elders but underneath the prophets.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Eric you are correct that Jeremy was given the empty title of “evangelist”.

    I have to ask the question, what does an evangelist do? An evangelist main responsibility is to convince individuals to accept and convert to Christianity. This is meant to be applied to the general public, in other words, to evangelize to the unconverted! Weinland’s organization DOES NOT do this!!! NONE of the four evangelist in weinland’s group address the general public and/or the unconverted AT ALL!!!!

    Then I have to ask the question, why is Jeremy’s sister elevated above him?? Is this the doings of the wicked queen laura?? Or is it because Jeremy’s wife, who is a european, has nothing to do with daddy weinland and his religion. So this is probably a token title to give the fake appearance of family unity when the truth is that this “family unity” does not exist!! It is all part of the deception and lie to convince that weinland’s family is chosen of God. It is an outright lie on weinland’s part!!!!

    These questions need to be asked! Weinland and his family are frauds!!! All you have to do is evaluate weinalnd against Deut 18:22 and then look at the structure of his fraudulent group. It speaks for itself!!!

    nothing but lies lies and more lies!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I know why weinland WILL NOT allow his four evangelists, wayne matthews, johnny Harrel, jeremy weinland, don’t remember his name, because they are a potential threat to him!

    The only one who has the ability to gain a following is Wayne Matthews. The others do not have the public presence to convince anyone to follow weinland. This is done on purpose!! In church history there have been many evangelist that have gone their own way because of the following they gain. Paranoid weinland knows this and will not allow it in his organization! How obvious this is!!

    Hey weinland you claim to be the only true church!? Then why is it all about you and your not allowing your evangelists do the work they are suppose to do, which is, evangelizing to increase the membership? I know why, your are afraid of them parting ways with you and taking their followers with them. Oh how easy this is to see weinland.

    You do not follow the early church’s organization and how things were done. The early church “evangelized” where ever they went that was their main purpose and they took it seriously, do you? No not you weinland, it is all about you and your pocket book and everyone knows it.

    You better watch out for Wayne weinland!! He has the ability to take away from you and one day he may just do that!!! Is the paranoia creeping up on you now weinland!? Better keep Wayne under tight control the potential is there.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron works to ensure the tithes will continue to come to Laura should anything happen to him. This is why his entire family is placed at the top. They would all pull together to make sure Laura was well taken care of. First Laura, and then each child just under her. This is Ron’s family business after all. Ron has this all worked out believe me. He’s a planner. He has plan A and plan B. Those greedy people will take your money long after Ron is gone, and they will let someone else do the work. Ron always surrounds himself with eager beavers. If he can use you, and you’re capable, he wants you. This will all work out one day when either Ron and Laura escape to Europe, or just Laura by herself. Ron and his family like their lifestyle and they won’t downsize easily. He will want in Europe , just what they enjoy here. Just a few rich widows to go. The COG ministers all had visions of retiring somewhere wonderful and Ron is no exception. He might be gone already if not for his trouble with the law.

  • martin says:

    Wayne seems like a smart fellow, so why is he stupid enough to stay with Weinland????????

    I keep saying, the case again Ron, is not subjective, what I mean by that, is that it is not just some matter of personal opinion. That is, a member might like person A over person B, because they get along better with each other, whether person A teaches the truth or not is irrelevant to such a person.

    This member is making a subjective choice, a terrible, terrible thing to do. He/She needs to decide based on truth.

    Now Ron is into ever changing “truth”, truth that is true on Monday, but false by Friday.

    This is insanity. God does not work this way.

    Ron has proven time and time and time again, to be an outright liar, but since the PKGers seem to have the mental capacity of a goldfish, they don’t seem to notice this ever changing “truth”.

    Some are seeing it, some are leaving, hopefully this trend will continue.

    Just because Ron says he’s a prophet, has convinced others he’s a prophet, does not make it so.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I think at this point, the people that are left, just have some sort of admiration for him.They believe him because they want to. One can prove him to be wrong easily, so it must be admiration. Those that were not enamored of him have probably left. I have met people that were just stunned over the fact they were in the same room as “ the prophet.” They NEED him to be correct so they may be correct. People would become teary eyed over what he was forced to eat while incarcerated. There is overmuch emotionalism involved here. Most have given up much to be part of the COG and they can’t bear it to be for naught. There is still plenty of WWCG indoctrination going on here. Thinking for yourself was seen as the fast track to the devil, and that has not changed. Men like Ron will always be able to capitalize on people afraid to make a decision without church guidance.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    What’s up asshole and gossip bitch how many people you screw over this week !

  • Enough is Enough says:


    It will be interesting to see what will happen when weinland’s GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019 comes and goes.

    I do understand what you mean about “they NEED him to be correct so they may be correct”. It will not happen for them!! I know some who are still in the weinland cult and you can see how desperate they are to be right. Solely for the purpose of throwing it in the faces of those who have left and critics. However there have been some that have finally realized that weinland is a phony and have moved on. I expect this to continue, people do not like being a fool for nothing.

    Those that remain after the “great disappointment of june9, 2019” are hopeless and will die foolishly because their hope (weinland) was never realized. How sad this is.

  • Ozymandias says:

    It is indeed sad that they would rather go down with the ship than admit error. I know some will stay until someone dies of old age. They are desperate to be correct and have many years of brainwashing. They feel the need to know everything God knows, and this is simply impossible. The COGS always convinced people that you could not have a relationship with God without them. Gods lips to Armstrong’s ears. Ron has simply carried on this idea with people indoctrinated into this mindset. Your relationship with God is personal , and that is what the GOGS eliminated. They became the middle man, taking from Christ what is his. The church was all powerful , telling you what to eat, ( I do not refer to unclean food) what to wear, who to marry etc. Ron is the same way. You can’t do anything that they don’t want to know about it. This was part of the Elders Job, to keep Ron apprised of all that went on. All this under the guise of unity. At this point , many of them wouldn’t know what to do without each other. I’m sure some of them really don’t even believe him any more, but just don’t want to start over or give up. Years ago, several people admitted they didn’t understand or believe in total all that he preached, but he was smarter than they were so they would stick with him. My mother used to say “ if you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… but just don’t want to start over or give up …” Ozy

    Well spoken and very true.

  • martin says:

    lol, at that “baffle” line…

    Unfortunately, it’s completely true. Ron is a master of that…..

    Now, nobody is perfect of course, but on the other hand, if somebody is a complete false prophet and liar and thief, that’s another story.

    I can not see any circumstance, where I would want to stay with a liar and thief and false prophet, I don’t know how they can think this is acceptable??? Don’t they know if you stay with a blind man, that when the blind man falls into the “pit”, he’s going to take you with him??? IF you stay knowing he’s false, that’s your fate.

    I do enjoy when Ron condemns his own self…I mean it can’t get any easier when false prophets do this.


    Christ said, if the blind follow the blind, BOTH will fall into the ditch.

    Ron literally said in one blog post “We can NOT see…(the future)”

    Ron didn’t know what he was saying when he said this, one who does NOT SEE…IS BLIND.
    Ron basically told his church he was a blind prophet. How much easier do you want it?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey weinland! I have a statistic for you.

    The organization that you were once a member of. The one you thought would leave with you but never did. Yeah that right, the one you tried to hijack through your lies and deceit. It was really laughable when you sent that stupid letter telling them that they must repent and turn to you or face the lake of fire!! Well that one blew up in your face didn’t it!!

    This organization hosted sixty seven feast sites and fourteen thousand were in attendance; an increase over last year!! How did you do weinland?? Let’s see, you only had, what, one or two sites available and less than 400 in attendance. What happened to the 64k that you claimed would be flocking to you? Or let’s take it back to the three thousand that never appeared in 2008/09. Where are they weinland?

    All we heard now from you is that some members are cheating you out of cash and many are leaving! SOOOOO, what does that tell you weinland, not to mention all of your failed prediction including 2019. The truth of the matter is you are nothing but a lying thief who’s time is now over.

    Lie all you want to weinland. No one really cares anymore because now all they see is your lies lies and more lies!!!!!

  • Plimsol says:

    In Ron’s most recent sermon (which is a pretty incoherent attempt to explain why he has rewritten the 50th “Truth”) he says (middle of page 7):

    “Because Jesus Christ is going to return on a Pentecost. That’s just the way it is. I hope and pray with all my being, I look forward to, my eyes are focused upon 2019. That’s where my focus is more than you know. That doesn’t mean it can’t go past that. I’m just being honest with you. When you understand some of the reasons how it could go farther, too, it ought to shake us to the core of our being, because it’ll be because of His Church.”

    So – there are suddenly several reasons why Christ might not return in 2019. Yes Ron, there are indeed.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… shake us to the core of our being …” liar weinland

    OH HOW DRAMATIC WEINLAND!!!! The only ONE who is shaken to the core is you WEINLAND!!!! It is clear now that you know 2019 is a failure so now you have to go into damage control mode!!! And here is an example: “… it’ll be because of His Church …”!!!! How many times have we heard this lame excuse!!!! WEINLAND, YOU ARE THE LIAR AND FAILURE!!! ALL YOU DO IS LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND LIE AND LIE …… ETC!!!!!

    How is it weinland that this blog reads you so well and has been right on all of your failed predictions!!!! The reason why is because you have a known history of lies and failed predictions and your constant blaming of your followers for YOUR failures!!!! It will not last much longer for you weinland, they will tired of your constant blame game that you place on them.

    The reality is this, you are in decline and it will continue and that is why YOU ARE SHAKEN TO THE CORE OF “YOUR” BEING!!! So, it is time to set up the grand lie of your GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019 AND BLAME IT ON THE REMAINING MEMBERSHIP!!! This is why you are the scum that you are weinland!!!

  • Eric says:

    I had a quick look through the sermon to get my quotes above, but completely missed the words Plimsol found. Well done. Just a bit further he says

    “When is Jesus Christ returning? Because we didn’t know. 2012, 2013, we didn’t know.”

    No Ron, you admit YOU didn’t know and YOU still don’t know. But make sure it was WE didn’t know when you talk about it. That’s not true. They followed, listen to every word you said, planned their lives around those dates. They knew because they trusted you knew. Wessel words

    What sort of a mind can issue four prophetic dates with certainty and authority, publish them in books ands truths, ask people to have total resolve, not pay their taxes, not have children, speak them as the end time Elijah , one of the two witnesses, the greatest prophet of all time, and finally say “When you understand some of the reasons how it could go farther, too,”

    No we know what you were talking about last week when you said ” I am awesomely excited about the next series we’re going to go into. I can’t tell you a whole lot yet, but it’s coming. Next Sabbath”. “The Feast of Trumpets has long been understood to be plural”. An idea to justify the extension of the date past 2019. No wonder you were excited. No wonder you are excited.

    You have no internal moral compass at all.

    Expect more members to be leaving.

  • martin says:

    Isn’t God’s Most Formidable Prophet of All Time….supposed to KNOW, absolutely when things are to happen?

    Can you imagine, Moses, GUESSING, WISHING, for something to happen?

    Moses “Maybe tomorrow we’ll have a plague of locusts! I hope with all my being this will be so! But if it doesn’t happen, it’s either God’s fault, or your fault! I’m a true prophet of God! So it can’t be my fault!”

    Read the whole OT, look at how God works with TRUE prophets.
    He works with them in some DIRECT MANNER. ALWAYS.

    He either appears to them in person, or sends an angel to them in person, or speaks to them audibly or some other fashion….but notice how it is always directly with them, there is no guess work nonsense, no numerological calculations garbage nonsense that is full of errors, none of that horse manure.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron is always grasping for something, anything to make it appear that he is correct. Days, numbers, timelines , anything to make it look like he knows what he is doing. It’s very sad at this point, that he has fooled himself , his family, and so many others. I know people think he is a con man, but I think he’s just nuts at this point. Only a crazy person would keep this up, and only a fool would follow him.

  • martin says:

    Wasn’t he supposed to have talked about something new?

    Was that today or when was he suposed to bring it up?

  • martin says:

    (from Ron’s witless book)
    Page 107: “However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation.”
    “Only the next few years can prove whether or not these two books are true and of God. If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete fiction.”


    I think Bugs Bunny would say….”what a maroon”

  • martin says:

    Was that letter that Ronald Weinland sent out to ministers, saying that they would die (not the previously mentioned quote from the book), was that ever made public?

    Can anybody provide a link to that letter? Is it posted here on this site?

  • martin says:

    In Ron’s live youtube feed for today, Ron *nonchalantly* brings up the planning for next years FOT feast site that they are trying to set up….


    This is basically Ron’s way of saying, subliminally, that no prophecy of his, is going to happen or be fulfiiled in the upcoming year.

    It’s not Ron trying to update the church on church business or church matters…

    It’s Ron saying (between the lines) that STUFF IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
    (that is, any prophecy of Ron’s, whether “real stuff” happens is another matter)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, think Feast of Trumpets 2011. That’s when Ron lowered the boom in a not so subtle way looking back that Christ was not returning come May 27, 2012. Of course that’s exactly what happened, and I predict come next year, it’ll be Feast of Trumpets 2011 Part II.

    Ron will come up with some crazy pitiful reason why things won’t be occurring on June 9, 2019, and how those in the church need to “wait on God”, and when God says to “turn left” they turn left.


    Ron says that they should be shaken to the core of their being for how “God is working”. Well, the only thing I saw shaken to the core of its being while I was there was my wallet and bank account. Thankfully, most of the “shaking and quaking” is over, but I still get aftershocks from time to time.

    A new year is soon here, and no doubt there are those in PKG that are whispering among themselves (and others) and are asking questions. I hope those questions are being directed to Ron firsthand, and he feels the heat! He’ll continue on like nothing’s wrong——at least till the money runs out.

  • Eric says:

    Actuality he didn’t just say it subliminally. He has been warming up the waters with hints to his members carefully in the last couple of sermons but in his More On The 50th Truth sermon he said it outright

    “So there are things on this earth that cannot begin, will not begin until the 144,000 are sealed. I shudder to think that we could stand in the way because we have to be at a certain place at a certain time in our growth, in our development,

    – because I think we have the ability to hold this up! And I don’t want to continue going on from one period of time to another because it could be a longer period of time because it will happen in a way that has great meaning and
    great purpose. I don’t want to enter into, just to be candid with you because I know that God’s working with timeframes right now, and the MINIMUM one that I can see is 1260 days, possibly one year, possibly one year that could be added.”

    With this statement he has already invalidated the 50th truth and the information in Prophesy Against the Nations, and is already hinting a 5th possible date for the return of Jesus Christ to the Earth.

    He was boring for quite a long time but as he is getting closer to 2019 Ron is becoming more interesting again.

    2019 is not going to happen PKG members and Ron says its your fault. Get out now.

  • Eric says:

    Sorry for the long quote but some interesting hints in here and we all have seen he can’t stop telegraphing things

    “but I hurt because of this just going on and on and on, but I know it’s not over with and the last couple of weeks, my wife and I, there’s been times sleep has been pretty tough because of hurting for different ones and thinking about different situations and wondering is there going to be a change here or are we going to have to intervene? Wondering if maybe certain other things are going on because it doesn’t look good, because, you see, we see patterns. We’ve seen things for so long in God’s Church and we know…we know where things are headed unless a big change takes place. So that hurts and you worry about certain ones, you’re concerned about certain ones just as you would in this world when your children go out into this world and some of the things that go on in this world and you worry about them and the choices they might make and more so it’s more important in God’s Church than ever before. But I will do what I have to do and I’ve told several here recently I am not a respecter of persons. I cannot be a respecter of persons. I don’t care who it is. I have a job to do before God and I will do it. ”

    Somebody either high up in PKG or close to Ron is causing him to loose sleep.

  • martin says:

    My suggestion to Ron : Less expensive gourmet coffee.

  • martin says:

    Ron the liar + thief “I know that God’s working with timeframes right now, and the MINIMUM one that I can see is 1260 days, possibly one year, possibly one year that could be added.”

    I can only shake my head at any who stay after hearing this horse manure.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    No need to apologize for the long quotes. I applaud you for being able to read weinland’s swill, that is something I cannot do.

    Oh my oh my, do you just love the “dramatics” of liar weinland: “I hurt because of this just going on and on and on”, “there’s been times sleep has been pretty tough”, “so that hurts and you worry about certain ones”, “I am not a respecter of persons. I cannot be a respecter of persons” (what a crock of crap this one is!),

    Hey weinland the real truth is you are concerned for your diminishing cash flow and everyone knows it!!! Yeah, you have mounting problems in your organization and the top one is cash!! You do not fool anyone here!! Also, you are not going throw anyone out who is paying “any” amount of money to you!!! All you will do is threaten disfellowship and and try to shame them into paying up!!! I love the fact that there are some who are doing this very thing!!! Why don’t you ask the question “why”? Are you afraid of their answer? I would bet you are!! You can not handle being called a liar and thief to your face!!! So cut the dramatics weinland because it only shows how stupid and foolish you are!!! Also here is a quote from Deut 18:22 “have no fear of him”. Oh my oh my, they have lost their fear of you weinland. Is this why you can’t sleep at night? No fear of you and the loss of income from them? THROW THEM ALL OUT IF YOU DARE TO WEINLAND!!!! I already know you will not do it. Some lame false prophet you turned outed to be! Curse me all you want to weinalnd, it means nothing to me at all! Who is afraid of the big bad false prophet? NOT ME!!!!

    I will tell you this, some of your followers do read this site because they want to hear from ex-members who have seen through you. Where do you think the idea to cut back on giving money to you came from? They get it from here! Plus they have seen how powerless you really are because you could not stop the voice of this site and we will continue until you are finished and exposed for what you really are!! A LYING THIEF!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    On another matter, I am guessing that there may be a problem with Myrtle and Johnny Harrell. I know the both of them personally and I am going to guess here.

    I know them well enough to know that there will come a time when they can no longer support a liar (weinland). It will be a moral issue with them. I do hope this very thing is going on. Maybe this will be the “big” change and liar weinland will have to come up with an explanation on why they may be leaving. COULD THIS BE WHAT IS KEEPING LIAR WEINLAND UP AT NIGHT!! I HOPE SO!!

    Go for it Johnny and rid yourself of this moral disease known as ronald weinland!!!!

  • martin says:

    This would explain why we no longer see them on the “trips” list..(?)

    I do like when people escape this false prophet, the only thing that irks me, is that they don’t speak up against this liar. It’s like seeing the house is on fire, and not waking anybody else up, but escaping and saving your own skin without bothering to save others. Now others may not listen, or probably will not listen, but that’s beside the point. You should make a reasonable effort to try and help others.

  • Fooled No More says:

    When I read Eric’s post, that’s the first thing that came to mind. Someone waaaaaay up there on the food chain is about to bolt, and it’s terrifying to Ron and Laura!

    Indeed it SHOULD keep him up at night when your only “true” source of income is what others choose to give you. That’s a sad way to go, but IMO a very real reality to Ron. Martin, you make a very good point. I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen Johnny or Myrtle on the trips list, although Johnny did give a sermon fairly recently………..the church’s website I see has him giving a sermon last on October the 14th.

    Johnny’s swan song?? Time will tell!

    I can say that I’ve met Johnny and Myrtle numerous times, and it’s always baffled me why they chose to stick so close to The Weinlands. Johnny and Myrtle to me always seemed like down to earth people. In fact, Johnny was one of the first people I ever met the first time I went to a PKG service this time of the year in 2008. (My how time flies!)

    Just the same, if all of this is true, Ron won’t be having “sweet dreams” anytime soon……………….they’ll be real life nightmares!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If we are correct in our thoughts about Johnny and Myrtle, there is another aspect here.

    This would also affect Doris and Paul Guiles. These two family are very close to one another. When Paul’s son left weinland’s cult it divided their family due to weinland’s idiotic antiquated policy of shunning. This will be something to watch because you are dealing with the core of the Georgia members. Yeah, this would not only give weinland acid burn in the gut but also nightmares!!!!

    Plus, I do know that Doris was demoted from senior elder to either elder or associate elder. Hummmm, I wonder if this has become an issue??

  • Fooled No More says:

    Hmmmm, I do believe I might know this couple. Are they folks that are in their late 70’s early 80’s or so EIE? If it’s them, I think I remember the case of their son leaving……I can’t remember his name though. I do remember that he’s quite young (not quite 40) as she used to joke when I ran into her at several Feasts that he was a “surprise” baby! 🙂

    If it’s the same people, I remember being really surprised that he left the church, but looking at things very differently now, I can see why he left.

    Interesting times these are aren’t they?? 😀

  • Enough is Enough says:


    You are thinking of Paul and Elmira Worth. They left weinland’s cult in 2012 after the grand failure.

    Paul made it clear to weinland that God does not jerk people around with lame excuses! Then he walked away from weinland for good.

  • Eric says:

    Trips on now up to January 20th.

    Still just only the two witnesses, The third prophet, the evangelist of PKG, and other people continue to be conspicuous by their absence.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If this is Johnny and Myrtle this will be done quietly and contained in house as much as possible.

    The last thing liar weinland wants to happen is for this information to end up here. I agree the absence of Johnny and Myrtle on the trips to discipline the rebellious members raises a lot of suspicion, does’t it. I assure you Johnny would not be happen with accusing members of cheating a cheat and promoting the pkg lie for the benefit of weinlands – we will see.

  • martin says:

    I don’t suppose there is anybody who can find out what their status is?

    Maybe Randy’s mom might know.

  • martin says:

    Randy does your mother know about Johnny /Myrtle Harrell? Does she know what their status is?

  • Enough is Enough says:


    If this is true, it is going to be difficult to get the answer. weinland will do everything he can to suppress it. However, he will need to announce it sooner or later. But It will not be done in a sermon, it will be done through the elders and they will be instructed to pass it on to others. That is the way weinland does things.

    I would agree that there is good ground for suspicion here and weinland has to prepare the ground so he remains in control of the situation. I really hope Johnny and Myrtle have finally seen the depth of the evil of the weinlands and have move on. Also, it could be an issue between Myrtle and laura. Their relationship has never been a close one and it finally may have come to an end – we will see.

    Those of us who know laura can attest to her condescending arrogant attitude she has towards the wives of the upper administration – I have seen this with my own eyes. Hopefully they have had enough of this women who thinks she is greater than all!!

  • martin says:

    I have a feeling that the guesswork re Harrell’s is correct.

  • Eric says:

    Just noticed another extension cause in Ron’s sermon More On The 50th Truth –

    > Because Jesus Christ is going to return on a Pentecost. That’s just the way it is. I hope and pray with all my being, I look forward to, my eyes are focused upon 2019. That’s where my focus is more than you know. That doesn’t mean it can’t go past that. I’m just being honest with you. When you understand some of the reasons how it could go farther, too, it ought to shake us to the core of our being, because it’ll be because of His Church (i.e PKG members – its all your fault).

    If you read the quote above and the one I posted earlier, what he has done is invalidated the Prophesy Against the Nations book because the dates in it are no longer correct. In it he has a firm date for 2019 over thirty two times. If you think about it the Prophesy Against the Nations book has only been published in full about three months and he already is contradicting what he has written it. The date makes up a large portion of the message of that book. I bet he regrets writing it now as he wont be able to hide it so easily as some of the things he has said in his sermons.

    And that pesky 47th truth which also has a firm date for 2019 he will also have to explain away or modify.I bet he will stop talking about the Prophesy Against the Nations book and quoting from it now. Watch him use the Extraordinary 4 ½ Years text as his main message now as it doesn’t have 2019 in it at all. That is in fact what he has been doing already.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    I don’t know Martin see what I can find out , but my mom asked me if I read anything about April Combs sister passed , I told I didn’t see anything mom said if true she feels really bad !

  • Enough is Enough says:


    Well that is a result of liar weinland’s idiotic antiquated policy of shunning!!! Yeah, you finally realize it when someone you once considered a dear friend dies how wrong it is. To late!! They are gone!!

    Not to be critical of your mother, it is weinland and his CULT environment that I am being critical of!!!!! I hope your mother takes the time and realizes that shutting a once close friend or loved one out of your life because of some JACKASS LYING THIEF WEINLAND is outrageous!!! This really upsets me that grown adults would allow this type of crap in their life!! When it comes to the death of a friend or loved one it becomes final.

    Those in weinland’s cult need to reject this policy of shunning and totally ignore weinland on this subject. Because, my question to them is, WHERE IS YOUR FORGIVENESS AND WHY IS YOUR FAITH SO WEAK!? To allow a dirtbag like weinland to destroy your close friendships is un-comprehensible!!!

    Liar weinland is a destroyer of families, marriages, and close friendships because of his damnable delusion of self righteousness!!! IT IS TIME TO STAND UP TO THIS LYING THIEF and send him packing!!!!

    So now this lying thief weinland is going to change the date again!! How many times are you in pkg going to accept this abuse!?

    It is time to RID YOUR LIFE of this fool!!!!

  • martin says:

    I am a little confused about this “Extraordinary 4 ½ Years” horse manure….

    Is he saying 4 1/2 years from *now*??? Or that the original 3 1/2 has suddenly morphed into 4 1/2 years?

    BUT HOW CAN THIS BE??????????????????????????

    Didn’t GOD give him all those numerological data to correctly and flawlessly calculate the 2019 date?????????????????

  • Enough is Enough says:


    If my memory is correct, I think it was a sermon series. It was the usual rant about his organization being made ready and purified. If this is the case, it probably will bit him in the butt just as Eric has pointed out in the 47th and 50th MISTRUTHS.

    It seems all these lies and contradictions are coming to the surface and the more he tries to explain it the deeper it goes into outright lies!!!

    As I have stated, it is a very difficult matter to manage lie after lie over a long period of time! It ends up being asked, “hey wait a minute, didn’t you say back in ?? that this was a direct communication from God”? It becomes one trap after another!!

  • martin says:

    Oh, gotcha….Ron is referring to the bunch of lies he discussed here….

  • Fooled no More says:

    Has anyone considered that there’s the possibility that Johnny and Myrtle were disfellowshipped? Wouldn’t that be something?? If true, it’s no wonder Ron is having sleepless nights! Johnny and Myrtle go waaaaaay back to the Armstrong days……for them to leave at time like this would be epic! 😮

    Johnny could start his own group dragging many in PKG with him!

    It’s certainly a thought!

  • gerry says:

    Hi Randy, is the April Combs you mentioned

    “April Combs passed away in Campton, Kentucky. Funeral Home Services for April are being provided by Porter & Son Funeral Directors. The obituary was featured in Lexington Herald-Leader on April 11, 2015.”


  • martin says:

    I love how Ronald the forked tongued liar Weinland believes in the 2019…WITH ALL HIS BEING…

    But, then says that time could go on for *another year*, after this date….

    Now what does he mean when he says he sees a minimum of 1260 days? Does he mean from NOW?

    Or what? I mean the original count for the final “period” was already 1260, so why is he bringing it up?

    And in the same breath tacks on a whole other year to this period??

    EiE is right, it hard to keep track of and manage lies. The truth present no such problem.

  • martin says:

    Hey Ron! I think you need a spreadsheet to help you keep track of all these lies…

    LIES that even you don’t believe in, otherwise you would be continually modifying the “truth”.

    I know YOU KNOW already, NOW, that 2019 is going be a bust, and that you are a false prophet.

    It is IMPOSSIBLE to not know this, there is an avalanche of proof that you are a false prophet.

    But I also know that you love money more than anything, and will continue to play the game.

  • Eric says:

    I thought I noticed a change in the trips text but now I can confirm it after checking with the waybackmachine (

    In early October the text on the trips page said

    “Ron & Laura Weinland are now resuming their visits to God’s Churches in the various areas of the world where His people are scattered. They are doing this to continue working with those whom God is calling, and to pursue again the ongoing work of training the Church’s ministry. We will also continue to list important Church visits by the senior ministry of the Church. We will continue to focus on serving those whom God is calling as long as we are able to accomplish such”

    Today it reads

    “Ron & Laura Weinland continue to visit God’s churches in the various areas of the world where His people are scattered. They continue to work with those whom God is calling, as well as pursuing the ongoing work of training the Church’s ministry. The Church will continue to focus on serving those whom God is calling as long as it is able to accomplish such a work.”

    Guess which bit is missing
    “We will also continue to list important Church visits by the senior ministry of the Church.”

    The omission of that bit of text speaks volumes. This was also the same time there were a lot of cancelations of visits. From the way back machine at the same time

    July 8 Cincinnati, OH – Johnny & Myrtle Harrell

    July 8 Bowling Green, KY – CANCELLED

    July 15 Erie, PA – CANCELLED

    July 29 Hartford, CT – CANCELLED

    August 5 Detroit, MI – Ron & Laura Weinland

    I think since then only the 2 witnesses have been visiting. We speculated that it was for health reasons that the trips were cancelled but its beginning to look like something else.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Eric, as I mentioned earlier, Johnny has been conspicuous by his absence since mid October when he gave his last sermon. Perhaps a bit of a falling out post Feast??

    This is getting VERY INTERESTING! Good eye spotting those changes………….I had read that too but didn’t take into account that he definitely changed some things. 😉

  • martin says:

    Good detective work Eric…

    When the Harrells were traveling did they pay for the trips on their own dime?

    If Ron paid, then it would explain why they are not traveling with him anymore as Ron can’t afford it anymore.

    I wonder if Ron is still paying Audra and husband a “salary” anymore?
    Didn’t Ron support these two? If so, I doubt he can do that anymore.

  • martin says:


    false prophet Ronald Weinland only has 180 viewers of his live boobtube video of lies.

    I wonder if that’s an accurate count of his PKG membership?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Probably not that far off Martin. You’d have to assume though that if some are meeting in groups, there’d be more viewing it at once off a single view count as that just shows how many devices are tuned in……..not how many are gathered round the flat screen or what have you.

    Those days of thousands tuning in (I heard him mention this once years ago) are looooong over!

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    70 percent are old and don’t tighed !

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Is there any way to get a visit count on his new phony website? I tried and all I got was “not enough date gathered”.

  • Fooled No More says:

    That’s a good question EIE! There are ways, but you’d have to join a service that’ll do that, and that costs some $$$.

    I’ll bet that it’s not getting much traffic at all considering the low numbers that are watching his YT videos, and that he’s all over the ‘net now with his corruption which can be easily found.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Apparently if “not enough data gathered” it must be unrecognizable on the web.

    What happened weinland!? Were is this rush to your crappy organization!?

    Just recently I was talking with some members of weinland’s cult, people I know, I was stunned to see the frustration in their lives. It was all about being “right”!! This desperation to be “right on something and/or anything” was very real to them!

    I ended my conversation with this, “how can you prove a lie”? Your cult leader is a proven liar and therefore anything coming out his lying mouth can NOT be proven because it is a LIE!! That didn’t go over well with them and they just walked away.

    I haven’t heard from them for a long time. I do not have a clue why the contacted me. But, I am sure they are done with me now. I won’t loose any sleep over this.

  • martin says:

    I wish I could sit down and have a conversation with some of these people. Try to give them some way to help them be able to determine if somebody is a true prophet or a false prophet.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, in a sense they may be crying out for help, but just can’t take that final step and make the jump. It’s gonna take a real hard slap of reality to wake them up (perhaps June 9, 2019), and then it’s gonna take them a while to get used to being back “in the real world”.

    I’m holding out hope that those I once knew will either contact me sometime, or I’ll run into them somewhere. I don’t have any ill will towards them……… fact I truly feel sorry for them as they’re literally wasting time chasing after something that will never come true.

    My true hope is to see Ron’s organization come to a complete and screeching halt! More than enough damage has been done to people’s lives and their finances, and as time drags on it just makes it more agonizing for them………..witness what you’re friends are going through.

  • Excogger says:

    Ron can’t even get his pack of fear-mongering lies and assertions straight on his new book promo web page. Hint: it’s about the ” 7 year delay “. Check it out, PKG sheep.
    Maybe I could apply for a proof-reading job…..
    Oh, and by the way, Ron, the angels in Rev. 10 were addressing the Apostle John in your underlined quote. Do you claim to be the End-Time version of John?? Perhaps it’s time to change your name.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ex, He is Johns counterpart, when it suits him, Moses counterpart, when it suits him, Paul’s, when it suits, an apostle, a Prophet, a minister, a witness, when it suits. He has all the bases covered. Don’t you just get sick of it? Boy I did.

  • martin says:

    Ron is not worthy enough to tie John’s shoes, or Moses’ shoes, or Paul’s shoes.

    Ron’s latest sermons are reading from his tripe like it was some kind of scripture??????

    I hate to insult horse manure, but what a load of horse manure this is.

  • martin says:

    Ron, the reapers (angels) are going to come for all the false prophets around the world.

    They all refuse to stop, so the only way to stop them is for these angels to gather them and put them all to death.

    Ron, you can love your money and wait for this fate, or you can repent, it’s all your choice Ron.

  • martin says:

    Pretty serious warning from Christ Himself, I wouldn’t want to be in any false prophets shoes on that day.

    Mat 7:15  Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 
    Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 

    Mat_13:30  Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
    Mat_13:39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

  • martin says:

    Interesting…some “vacation” time for Ronald Weinland.

    April 6-7 Eindhoven, Netherlands – Ron & Laura Weinland
    April 14 Eindhoven, Netherlands – Ron & Laura Weinland

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    April 6 is the last Day of Unleavened Bread, so yeah, it does look like he’s going to take a vacation. When is Audra’s baby due?

  • Eric says:

    I stand corrected

    January 13 San Jose, CA – Ron & Laura Weinland, Jeremy Weinland

    We are hearing from the evangelist. I wonder if this is just a cheap way to visit his folks. It would be nice to have a contact in Europe that could tell us just how active he is.

    But with all the upcoming trips in up to April we have ben spot on that some significant other people are missing.

  • martin says:

    As mentioned, an evangelist’s primary task is to go out and preach to “the masses”, to gain new converts.

    Has Jeremy Weinland done this? I highly doubt it.

    It’s just a title, to impress Jeremy, and PKGers.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Will Jeremy be giving the sermon? I rather doubt it.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    The gossiping money whore called mom today , first time I seen that name on caller I’d in long time

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    They are getting cocky again

  • Eric says:

    All’s not well with the PKG members. The Church has gone through trial after trail and subsequently been cleansed time and time again. Yet the problems never stop……..

    “You know, I’m amazed at why people can’t get along in God’s Church! And this goes on and on and on from area to area to area – it just pops up too often. What excuse do we have that we can’t swallow our pride and call it what it is and just shut our mouths if we have to and don’t worry about how we think we’re treated by someone else? Just swallow the pride and get along! That’s the most important thing. We don’t have to have things our way! Because that’s where conflict comes from. It’s when we want things to be our way. “And when it’s not my way I get my feelings hurt! Boo hoo hoo, someone isn’t treating me fair!” I’m sorry, but I’m SICK of this stuff in God’s Church. I am SICK, SICK, SICK of it!”

    PKG, your prophet, your apostle, one of the two witnesses etc is SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK of a significant number of you in almost every area of the Church of God right now that he travels to.

    Expect more trials and more cleansing before 2019.

    Oh I forgot he has already walked away from the 2019 date and told your members in a previous sermon that its YOUR fault that date is no longer valid, and there is going to be more time. So much for “Prophecy against the nations” being the equivalent of the book of revelation. It was only published in full for about three months, then Ron told you the 32 mentions of the 2019 date in it are not correct anymore. And its your fault. He’s SICK, SICK, SICK, SICK of you.

    And on behalf of Dill Weed who got me into this many, many, years ago …..

    tick, tick, your time is running out.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well Eric another home run!

    But let me say this first, Hey! weinland we have been sick of YOU for YEARS!!! Sick of all your lies and greed!!

    To begin, if you are having all these “we can’t get along” problems in your organization then it is all to clear that the “agape love” does not exist in your organization and never has!! You claim to be the only true church!? Really!? If you were, then peace and growth would reign supreme in your organization. Here is the question, “why isn’t it”!? I will tell why, your organization is in “your name” only and it is because of your cult environment that the peace and growth is non-existent in your cult and that is what it is, a cult!!! OH BOO HOO HOO FOR YOU WEINLAND!!!

    Do you have a problem with your local “thug” elders? I was once one OF those thug elders who did nothing but tattletale and play favorite that you encouraged!! That is why I find you and that wife of yours distasteful and disgusting!!

    Weinland your organization has been in decline and has failed time and time again. I am of the opinion that you want your organization to fail so YOU can just disappear from sight!! You are a JOKE and everyone outside of your organization sees you and your wife as one big hilarious DOG AND PONY SHOW!!! Also, you seem to have lost control and absolute influence over what is left of your organization! I will tell you why, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A GREEDY LYING THIEF!!! Not to mention that your fourth prediction of 2019 has failed and you look like an absolute FOOL!!!! No one is going to give you the time of day!!

    I could go on and on and on about you and that worthless organization of your, but, I will save for later. Keep this in mind you fool:


  • martin says:

    Boo hoo Ron.

  • martin says:

    I love how all this cleansing of the church amounted to *nothing*.

    Was all that fasting that PKG did, supposed to get everybody ready????

    The bible prophesies that the Bride *will make herself ready*.

    That PKG is NOT ready, should say something for those willing to listen.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    That is a good point Martin, when will they listen?

  • Byker Bob says:

    They’re probably cleansing with the wrong “soap”. There are certain East Indian religions in which the cow is considered sacred. Adherents use cow dung for cleansing and purification. I’m thinking that Weinland has his church cleanse using some kind of dung. Obviously, it causes further contamination as opposed to getting the cleansing job done.


  • martin says:

    “I’ll just tell you, almost every area of the Church of God right now that we travel to there’s
    friction. Sometimes under the surface a little bit here and there, but there’s still friction where
    people are struggling to get along. ”

    My reaction?


    What do you expect are the results of a false prophet???
    *** BAD FRUIT ***

    Exactly as Christ said would happen.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is more than that Martin, we are looking at “division” in the membership. It is between those that still believe the lying thief and those who now doubt the lying thief weinland. This is great news!! A divided organization will come to it’s end!!

    The real truth is that it is now between the doubters and weinland!! Soooo now the thug elders who still believe weinland are trying to get the doubters under control and it is not working!!!! Yea for the doudters

  • Fooled no More says:

    The doubters will win out because they have one thing on their side……they have absolute PROOF that Ron is a false prophet by the simple fact that NOTHING he says has come to pass! So yeah, it’s just a matter of time before this will break up into a million pieces!

    Keep grabbin’ that popcorn!

  • martin says:

    Christ healed the sick, gave hearing to deaf, sight to blind, raise the dead.
    Stuff happened, Christ had good fruits

    Moses prophesied 10 plagues.
    Stuff happened, prophecy was fulfilled, Moses had good fruits.


  • martin says:

    What really irks me, and I’ve said it a bunch of times…

    Ronald Weinland, said he was a prophet. That’s it. No proof. Ron “prophesied” some prophecies, none of which came true.

    I can only assume, that the sheer embarrassment of having every prophecy you spoke, fail to come to pass, has kept him from coming up with any new ones.

    The current 2019 prophecy, Ron knows is false, and is already blaming the membership for its failure. He’s doing a preemptive strike, sowing seeds of doubt etc, instead of waiting for the failed day to come.

    His trash book, about a “final commission” is nothing but talk, nothing to back it up, no plagues, no rivers of blood, NOTHING.

    And yet the entire PKG membership, has not gotten out of their seats and left the building.

  • martin says:

    I like to say, the purpose for God allowing false prophets to run around, is to teach people to recognize wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Some get bit, but at least they learn, it’s a hard lesson, but at least they learn.

    Ron said he was a prophet, PKGers take Ron at his word, and will allow Ron to lead them all into the eventual “ditch”.

    Sad really.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    weinland big mistake is this: it is always the same old pattern and excuse he has used since 2008! Slimey weinland could at least change the pattern, but he has not and it is this very thing that is raising all the doubt. It is the, “haven’t we heard this before” and “now we are hearing it again”!? It is this very thing that is providing the “fertile ground” for the apparent division that is developing among the membership; those who still believe and those who are now doubting.

    The management of lies and mistruths are next to impossible to control especially when they are numerous and as a result of this conflict takes over and the questioning begins and eventually the liar (weinland) will lose all credibility that will evaporate. I believe this is now taking place and weinland is not winning this time. The more he insults his members (doubters) the more they will become resentful and finally walk away and all weinland gains is more critics who will become vocal and encourage others to leave!!!

    Lies and mistruths are the fruit of the bad tree (weinland) and eventually this tree will rot and fall to the ground, this is your fate liar weinland!!

    lies lies and more lies will eventually destroy you! Keep it up liar weinland we enjoy watching you getting sick sick sick!

  • martin says:

    “The management of lies and mistruths are next to impossible to control ”

    I can imagine Ron, literally creating a spreadsheet to manage all the lies he’s told….

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Gossiping money whore Calle again yesterday, this time caller Id said anonymous bitch don’t give up

  • Eric says:

    I dont believe that he is running a deliberate con. I think he is a case of a extreme Narcissist. Here are some of the tests for this for the narcissistic personality disorder from

    > Has a grandiose sense of self-importance.
    > Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
    > Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
    > Requires excessive admiration [regularly fishes for compliments, and is highly susceptible to flattery].
    > Has a sense of entitlement.
    > Is interpersonally exploitative.
    > Lacks empathy: is unwilling [or, I would add, unable] to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
    > Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
    > Shows arrogant, haughty [rude and abusive] behaviors or attitudes.

    > Is highly reactive to criticism. Or anything they assume or interpret as negatively evaluating their personality or performance.
    > Have low self-esteem. Superficially their self-regard would appear to be higher and more assured than just about anyone else’s. it’s not uncommon for them to rise to positions of power and influence, as well as amass a fortune
    > Can be inordinately self-righteous and defensive.
    > React to contrary viewpoints with anger or rage.
    > Project onto others qualities, traits, and behaviors they can’t—or won’t—accept in themselves
    > Have poor interpersonal boundaries. Unconsciously viewing others as “extensions” of themselves

    Only the extreme, or “classic,” narcissist fits all of these criteria and he has demonstrated every one of these traits. I believe that in his mind there is always an explanation involving others why things are not working out even to the extent that God (who can fit into the other person category) can change his mind on so many things rather than face the possibility that he is wrong.

    PKG members please apply these tests in your mind as you observe Ron, not only in sermon’s but watch him interacting with other. Watch carefully over a period of time and see that he ticks all the boxes. Remember its YOUR fault that the 2019 date is going to be extended and that he is SICK, SICK, SICK of a significant number of you after all you have done and been through. His house of cards is falling and he is externalising the cause onto you.

  • martin says:

    Good diagnostic assessment, I have always said that Ron was a bookcase Narcissist..

  • martin says:

    Here is a priceless example of “management of lies”
    I think this was around 2012….or early 2013…..

    I had mentioned in another forum, that the Day of the Lord was 1 year in length. (at the time Ron said it was 24hrs long)
    I also mentioned that BEFORE, at the START of the DOTL, is the Sun/Moon sign (Rev 6:12, 17)

    Well, a PKGer was commenting in the same thread, I don’t know who, I believe it was one of the “upper” echelon PKGers or elders.

    Well, shortly after that Ron changed his view, and came up with the DOTL being a year in length (this view was ALWAYS the view in the WWCoG, and Ron was taught it).

    But, he later came up with this whole horse manure explanation regarding the Sun?Moon sign, which was to occur at outset of the DOTL. How the Sun/Moon sign was the “face” of the DOTL. It was utter nonsense.

    The bible states, the Sun/Moon sign occurs, BEFORE the DOTL, and is in fact the sign of the start of the DOTL (it happens on the first DOTL or the day before)

    For the truth, you don’t need to keep track of it, it keeps track of itself.

    For lies, you need an excel spreadsheet.

  • martin says:

    (the reason for this trite from Ron, was because the Sun/Moon sign NEVER HAPPENED, so he had to come up with this excuse)

  • martin says:

    “Let’s see, the DOTL started already, PKGers can read that the Sun/Moon sign occurs at the beginning of the DOTL, lessee, I’ll open the Spreadsheet of Lies here……
    Oh, wait, it didn’t happen, gotta schedule a sermon next week….gotta add it to the spreadsheet here……”

    Ron, don’t you know?
    Management of Lies is a difficult thing to do!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I would bet that the people that are still staying with Ron, already have a low self esteem, which is why he gave all of them titles. It gives Ron the “oh thank you, for seeing that leadership in me”, then in turn start to “worship” Ron, feeding his low self esteem. It’s a no win cycle and until these people see it, it will continue. Anyone that already had mind strength has left. Until these people start to feel better about them selves, Ron knocking them down all the time just feeds their low opinions of themselves, making them stay. In the next breath Ron tells them how “special” they are and “chosen”. Sad

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free,

    I agree with you on your perspective of pkg.

    But, historically, there always comes a point when the slaves rebel. Eventually they will tire of be being berated by liar weinland. And thank you for the compliment of having the “mind strength” to walk away.

    Enjoy your peace of mind.

  • Eric says:

    “That’s why I’ve told people your strength and your power is in the word of God, the truth of God that He’s given you in your mind. That’s in 57 Truths”

    Except I hope you will forget the 47th truth and “prophecy against the nations” which I will be changing or explaining away in a while + I have already told you that the date will almost certainly be extended and its YOUR fault.

    “Because I’ll just tell you right now not everything is going to pan out the way you thought. There are going to be some surprises in the end. Okay? That’s why everything has changed of what we knew and believed to a certain moment in time”

    We know Ron. We have ben telling people this for a long time and you have only discovered it. We know the 2019 date is a bust and have ben telling people that for a very long time and you are only discovering it now.

    I guess you can keep this up with a declining membership till you slink away or die whichever comes first.

  • martin says:

    “Because I’ll just tell you right now not everything is going to pan out the way you thought. There are going to be some surprises in the end. Okay? That’s why everything has changed of what we knew and believed to a certain moment in time”

    I can only slap my forehead in disbelief at what comes out of this liars mouth.

    Eric, can you please tell me where to find this quote from Ron, is it a recent one?

  • martin says:

    ok I found it…
    It’s in his December 16, 2017, An Extraordinary 4 ½ Years, Pt. 3 – Ronald Weinland transcript. (page 24 on the pdf version of transcript)

  • Fooled No More says:

    I’m gonna keep saying this……………at next years FOT, Ron will pull another FOT 2011, except it’ll be Part II.

    He’ll come up with some kind of “erudite” explanation as to why things have changed, and why they should be patient and “wait on God”. Now that I’ve said this, he’ll switch up and talk about it at some other time but no matter——-his cover’s been blown and he has been backtracking for some time now. His latest sermon is a prime example.

    I KNOW he reads this blog, and may even know who I am! I don’t really care………..he’s a total fraud and knows it, and the clock is ticking for the total implosion of his corrupt church. 😉

  • martin says:

    I already know his excuse, he’s already said it.

    It’s “God is showing mercy, so He’s giving more time for more people to repent”

    Sounds great doesn’t it? God is merciful, and is going to show more mercy, and is going to extend time. Ron has used this excuse before and it worked before, he’s going to use the same excuse again. Except of course, it’s a lie.

    Then Ron will blame the membership for not being ready, and it’s their fault.

  • Fooled No More says:

    I still have to wonder if Johnny and Myrtle are still a part of PKG?? Johnny’s been conspicuous by his absence as far as giving sermons (October was the latest), and as was mentioned before by someone, He’s NOWHERE to be see in the upcoming trips listing which is listed through April.


  • Eric says:

    Martin: 9 minutes to find the quote – not bad. If you can find it other people can too. which is good news.

    In spite what it may look like I don’t spend a lot of time looking at I his sermons and youtube. I just speed browse till something sticks out and with Ron that’s not usually hard. He is a target rich area.

    I love the bit : “That’s why EVERYTHING (my caps, in fact any caps I have done in previous posts are usually mine for emphasis) has changed”. Poor use of words as usual. He is not thinking about what he is saying. Everything is everything – every truth, every book, every prophecy. every promise etc. PKG members EVERYTHING has changed. That’s what your Prophet said.

    He seems to have two modes on youtube. He either has his head up and down, reading from his notes but at other timjes he goes into more spontaneous mode looking directly at the camera and getting more energetic. That’s when he starts telegraphing things he doesn’t mean to, dropping hints about changes he is going to make, commenting on the behavior of PKG members and telling us his woe’s, making errors etc

    Fooled No More: I agree, its also my opinion that Ron reads this blog. Couple of things he has done sort of point me in that direction. I also suspect its attention, even if its the wrong type. If my guess of him as an extreme Narcissist is correct, he couldn’t resist not knowing what others are saying about him.

    I suspect Johnny and Myrtle have at least distanced them selves from Ron if not more. Way to go Johnny and Myrtle! If they are reading this we would love to hear from you. You can either comment in the blog directly or if you would like a little safe distance, email Mike directly some sort of statement. His email address is at the top on the letterbox. I will be polite and respectful if you have enough courage to do so.

  • Byker Bob says:

    We’ve got to remember that Ron was simply the garbage man. The problem is, rather than picking it up and taking it to the dump, he instead collected it and delivered it to his church members, who, for years, actually treasured it. But, not so much any more.


  • Enough is Enough says:

    There is a good reason why liar weinland reads from his notes that were written long ago: IT IS KNOWN AS “MANAGEMENT OF LIES”!!!!

    I have to agree with you Eric that at the moment liar weinland goes off script the contradictions make themselves known; THIS IS KNOWN AS “FAILURE TO MANAGE ALL OF THE “MULTIPLE AND ENDLESS LIES” OF LIAR WEINLAND!!!! Dangerous thing to do liar weinland, because, we will catch it here and make it known to any who will listen!!!

    There is no doubt that liar weinland reads this blog and it is because of its credibility and is where former members post their comments. Liar weinalnd knows he has to keep ahead of this blog because he knows this is where disgruntle members come to read. Some of us here, at one time, where well known and that is why they come here to read our comments. To bad for you liar weinland!! What happened!? You have NO ability to stop it, do you!?

    Fooled No More: I am also curious about Johnny and Myrtle. I have always known of the friction between laura and Myrtle and I am wondering if it has finally comes to final blows. This is also the possibility that Johnny, in good consciousness, is not able to continue on with the failure of 2019. Johnny has been a loyal supporter of liar weinland for several years. Maybe he is tired of being made a fool of along with the possibility of Myrtle and laura having it out with one another! When it finally comes down to credibility and family, a decent man will walk away from the liar (weinalnd)!! I know Johnny and Myrtle personally and I will stand for the both of them because I know that this day of ridding themselves of liar weinalnd will come.

    But you have to understand that this will be kept under wraps by liar weinland!! Liar weinland can NOT have this all over the internet or his corrupt pkg. “IF” this is true, then one has to consider what Wayne Matthews will do with this.

    It is my hope and desire that Johnny and Myrtle have finally seen the truth about liar weinland and start repairing all of the damage that was done to family and friendships because of weinland’s lies and deceit!!

  • martin says:

    Is there anybody that can discreetly contact Johnny or Myrtle, to find out what is up?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Here’s another interesting excerpt: “So there are going to be some things that are revealed later on – like the two witnesses and what takes place – they’re going to blow your mind! Because there is a witness that’s taken place that was for a period of time up to 2012, and what happens later on is not at all what you’ve ever known or believed. It’s not been spoken of and it won’t be. Okay? It’s just going to happen. It’s not going to be at all like you think.”

    Appears to me that he’s setting the stage to do a generational transfer of the Weinland Family False Prophecy business

  • martin says:

    “It’s not been spoken of and it won’t be. Okay?”

    So he mentions he’s not going to talk about it, but mentions it anyway?

    I think Ron has a very confused mind.

    Well, Ron’s vanity will probably not allow him to not mention anymore details, he’s God’s most formidable prophet don’t you know?

  • martin says:

    So, let’s look at this

    1) More things WILL BE REVEALED later
    2) More things includes stuff on the Two Witnesses that will be revealed (later)
    3) This stuff is new stuff
    4) This new stuff that will be revealed will NOT be spoken of.
    5) This stuff that will be revealed, but not revealed, is going to happen
    6) It’s not what you think or believe

    Make perfect sense, doesn’t it?

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, I was writing a friend of mine who was once in PKG just last night about Johnny and Myrtle. They wrote back to me that if indeed Johnny and Myrtle have left, they may have taken a bunch of people with them as they were very well known and liked in the GA area.

    Unlike Ron and Laura, Johnny and Myrtle both have very pleasing personalities……..not at all abrasive! I can see where the friction would have been between Laura and Myrtle. I seem to remember others talking about it years ago, so that could have been the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    Frankly, this is actually kinda fun to watch! I still feel sorry for those that are “trapped” in PKG and can’t see their way out. It’ll take some time for them to “see” how they’ve been duped, and it’ll be tough for a while to pick up all the shattered pieces and move on once they make the break.

    2018 is almost here……….it’s going to be a VERY interesting year as more things will come to light more than we can imagine!

  • martin says:

    Apparently God is a poor mathematician.

    God said there would be 1260 days for the Great Tribulation.

    God said there would be Two Witnesses.

    Ron says there are 7 x 1260 days for the Great Tribulation (plus, another year!)

    Ron will probably say there are Two More Witnesses. (gotta keep it in the family)

    So God said, 1260 days, 2 witnesses.
    Ron says, 7 * 1260 + 360 and 4 witnesses.

    Who you going to believe?

  • Eric says:

    And a little more hint dropping (caps mine for emphasis). I have taken two pieces from different paragraphs and can put them together which can go badly wrong but some really interesting comments.

    “you keep pushing forward in what you do and how you do it no matter what happens NOR TO WHOM it happens.

    we just have to keep fighting UNTIL OUR FIGHT IS OVER whatever that is. When THIS GIVES OUT or whatever it is. Because at some point IT HAPPENS TO US in life. Some are just GOING TO DIE BEFORE this all happens.”

    Have a very careful read of the text. Read around then in the contex.

    To say something is up is an understatement. “Everything has changed”

    I will hazard a guess so I was the first to say it. I don’t think either Ron or the second witness is very well.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Eric, I think he is admitting that he knows nothing will happen in 2019, AND it may not happen in any of our lifetimes. The new date is SOMEWHERE in the future. All his TRUTH has changed to new truth. LOL Now after all this time he’s saying he doesn’t really know anything. He knows less than Jon Snow. (But we knew that.) Just send me your tithes till one of us is dead. God gave him all this confusion, according to him. It’s all our fault if God doesn’t come in Ron’s timely fashion. What a piece of work he is.

  • Fooled No More says:

    All I can do is continuously shake my head………. 🙁

  • martin says:

    Eric, I read and connected those exact same two passages as well…

    Sadly, such things don’t seem to register in the mind of the average PKGer.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Mom said she talk to Johnny Thursday night and he said nothing about it !

  • Ronco says:

    Enjoy your holiday Honeybaked ham, Ron!!!

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    I hope these assholes are not hiding this about Johnny ,

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    In the absence of better information, my first assumption is that Johnny and Myrtle are still drinking Ronnie’s Flavor Aid.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    I would like to know how much money Ron and LaurA made of preaching there false bull shit !!

  • martin says:

    Sadly it does sound like Johnny and Myrtle are still in the grip of Ron’s false prophecies and false visions….

    At this point in time, if you can’t recognize *objectively* and using the bible standards for determining who is a false prophet, that Ron is false, then there probably is no hope. They will learn when they fall into the “ditch” that Christ spoke of, that Ron is false.

    It is interesting, the “ditch” or “pit”, is really a reference to a deep cistern.

    If one falls into such a place, they CAN NOT get themselves out, without help. They will need somebody to drop a “rope” down into the cistern, in order to be able to get out. Some have availed themselves of this “rope” (help from others), others have not.

    It reminds me of this tragic news story, where, a ship capsized, and many of the passengers died strapped into their chairs. They didn’t have the fortitude to unstrap themselves, but drowned right in their seats. It is interesting, because Americans that were on this same ship, unstrapped themselves and swam for safety. The ones that drowned were not knocked unconscious or anything like that, they just were not capable of saving themselves for some reason.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, the ones that stayed strapped in their seats were paralyzed……….paralyzed by fear of the unknown. They could see the water rushing in, they could certainly see it rising, but the paralysis set in because——what if I can’t swim to safety? What if there’s a shark waiting for me the moment I hit water? What if the water’s too cold?

    The same analogy could be applied to those in PKG. What if I don’t/can’t “make it” without the church or Ron? What happens if Ron is wrong? How will I deal with those that “told me so”?

    They’re totally conscious of what’s going on, but their “paralysis” keeps them from moving forward and saving themselves. They’d rather sink with ship (that ship WILL sink), than do what it takes.

    It’s just super sad to see!

  • Ozymandias says:

    FNM, what if I can’t make it without the church is a huge concern for them. How many sermons did we hear over the years about sticking to the trunk of the tree? Remember where you first heard it. The fear of being alone is a real human concern. Thinking the devil is just waiting for you to venture out alone. This is where the real lack of faith comes in. Lack of faith in God, and lack of faith in their own reasoning ability. We always thought we would be nothing without the cog. It’s truly sad.

  • ANTHONY says:


  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Anthony, it was 9 years and 6 days ago that Ronald Weinland himself cursed me to die a speedy death because of my mockery. I believe that we’re a long time past “speedy”, and yet I still mock. Why should I be concerned from what you say? And dude, learn to use your shift key properly.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What proof do you have regarding liar weinland, Anthorny? Let’s hear it or are you a coward?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Anthony, why are you here? Believe it or not this how I started here because I began to question liar weinland and all of his false predictions. Hopefully this is what you are doing.

    It is time to take off the rose colored glasses!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    By the way, you need to consider Deut 18:22. This is God’s proof on how to identify a FALSE PROPHET!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    And, we are not intimidated by a convicted tax thief, a felon, nor his empty threats! Maybe you can start by explaining why liar weinland is changing the 2019 date?

  • Fooled No More says:

    “Anthony” can’t or won’t explain it. How does one defend the indefensible??

    Maybe he can explain why there’s been a marked DECREASE in the membership instead of an INCREASE as Ron has boasted about happening, but the facts belie his blathering.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Beware of False Prophets in sheeps clothes ! Anthony please send Ron ( the asshole ) all your money !,

  • martin says:

    “deceitful ways.”

    I realize this is a “drive by” post, and that you probably won’t be coming back…

    But if you do, please be explicit as to what you have read and deemed to be “deceitful”.

    If there has been any false and unsubstantiated legal statement made, and you have proof they are inaccurate, the blog site owner would be more than happy to make corrections.

    Go over the legal statements made against Ron, and if you find any errors and you have legal proof that any legal statements made are wrong, and I”m sure Mike would be happy to correct them. Just provide proof, not hearsay, or opinions.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Anthony… I don’t know you, but most of us that post on this site, have seen through Ron. Keep looking so will you. I personally have lost much because of Ron, husband, for starters. Since he believed in Ron and I didn’t, Ron informed him he had to divorce me or leave the church. Where does it say to give up your family. God was the person who always put family first. If you are attending and spouse is not, be prepared for lots of issues, until Ron gets you right where he wants, alone, needing him more. None of us are against Ron, only the hurt, pain, lies that he keeps passes off as “God’s truth”. Read in the Bible what God is really saying, and you will understand why people post here.

    You maybe a “fly by” writer, but I’m sure your curiosity will require to see what anyone said after your post. Remember all of us here would love to see Ron actually passing on what God is really about, not Ron’s ideas of what God is really like.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Regarding Anthony’s rant, a couple of things to consider.

    1) Why did he come to this blog? you have to keep in mind when one begins to search the internet about an individual the “shock” of others comments can be overwhelming, this was the case for me. I was taken back by all of the negative comments that I read here on this blog and I reacted just like Anthony has here. However, in time, the shock wore off and I was able to sort out the true comments to confirm my suspicions about weinland. So I am giving the benefit of the doubt to Anthony and “when” he recovers from the shock of realizing that liar weinland is just that a liar and hopefully will return with a different attitude. We will see.

    2) Why would Anthony openly attack this blog? Why is he snooping around the internet regarding liar weinland? My point is this, this blog is known in pkg and liar weinland has strictly forbidden anyone from coming here! So why did Anthony disobey his idol weinland? Because something is not setting well with Anthony and he is seeking some answers. Reality can be very cruel when it comes to the truth about an individual that you have trusted with your life with. It can be a hard slap in the face!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, you make a very valid point! Unfortunately, I happen to know someone that was actively searching this blog when Ron was on trial back in 2012, and this person was very deep into the church. Obviously, things weren’t settling well with her either, yet last I knew she was still there.

    Until folks come to the point that they have to leave everything in PKG far behind, and that includes perhaps longtime friendships, they’re forever trapped there.

    When I made the decision back in March ’15 that I no longer wanted to be a part of PKG, I knew the moment I hit the send button on my screen things would change forever, and there would be those I’d never hear from again. Till this day, I’ve only heard from one, and that one told me that he has to choose whether to obey God, or keep in contact with me.

    Haven’t heard from him since.

    Tough choices, but IMO very necessary for one’s own mental and financial health, which I think for me would have gotten a LOT worse had I stayed with PKG.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    I do understand exactly what you are saying.

    Knowing that who you thought were close friends actually were not. But that was the sacrifice that had to be made in order to reclaim your life from a cult environment. I assure you I have no regrets leaving weinland’s cult. As far as those I knew in pkg, I no longer consider them. However, I am open to having a conversation with them but I am not waiting for the phone call. If they choose to remain under the influence of a delusional fool, that is their business.

    I agree with you about “if” you decided to remain in weinland’s cult, your life would be a continuing turmoil with the constant changing of the dates. This is one delay tactic after another that is purely designed to get more money from you. Here is an example from liar weinland’s own mouth:

    “Because I’ll just tell you right now not everything is going to pan out the way you thought. There are going to be some surprises in the end. Okay? That’s why everything has changed of what we knew and believed to a certain moment in time”

    This is a classic delay tactic!! This is pure nonsense!! But, gotta keep that hook in the wallet for as long as I can! Yes, FNM, your wallet would be on life support for the benefit of liar weinland. You made the right decision and your life is doing well without the lying thieving weinland and his cult known as pkg.

    Hey Anthony, ask your false prophet was he is so powerless and worthless, not to mention, that he hasn’t been right about anything!! I challenge you to “prove me wrong”!! Let’s do this my friend.

  • martin says:

    I wish these people would be specific…

    Just what exactly did Anthony find that was “deceitful”?

  • martin says:

    “That’s why everything has changed of what we knew”

    I can only shake my head, how do people still stay after hearing garbage like this?

    Isn’t he God’s most formidable prophet of all time? You’d think he’d have clue.

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    Anthony is probably Ron the Spiritual Impaler himself. Such a child…tisk, tisk. If he is indeed a Follower, then Anthony should keep reading and break those chains as we all have done. I wish him (her?) much luck!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What really gets me about these “drive by” members of liar weinland’s cult is that they are not only cowards but do not have the fortitude or intellectual capacity to continue the conversation!

    I understand the fact that the “drive bys” do not have a true defense of their idol weinland. They have nothing to add to the conversation! What do they think they are going to accomplish here? Do they really think that they will have any impact here? Their precious false idol (weinland) had no effect here at all either!! This must be a superiority disorder that liar weinland instills in his minions. Well, sorry, the superiority disorder isn’t going to work here so do not waste your time with that crap here!

    The point is this, if you “drive bys” choose to come here then prove yourselves and your foolish delusional idol weinland! In other words, don’t waste our time here with your idiotic statements and then run away like a coward. If you want to know the true facts about your idol weinland then you are in the right place. Otherwise go live in your small small world of weinland cultism!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well Rudy if that is true, then, weinland himself is a coward!! It only goes to show how powerless and worthless he really is!

  • Fooled no More says:

    Ruby, you read my mind! It’s the reason in my response above that I had “Anthony’s” name in quotes. I believe it probably is Ron as PKG’ers are struck with fear to ever comment here, let alone letting it be known they read this blog.

    He’s done this before under other aliases in other threads……in fact within the last six months. 😉

  • martin says:

    Isn’t Ron supposed to be able to breath fire?

    In fact, isn’t he COMMANDED to kill his enemies by fire???

    And yet nothing, no fire breathing from him, no fire breathing from his wife. Nothing.

    PKGers need to ask, why can’t Ron stop all the criticism from this site? If Ron can’t stop the criticism from this site, how is Ron going to go toe to toe with The False Prophet? Isn’t he supposed to face off with TFP and his army? At the end of which he is supposed to be martyred? Then resurrected?

    No, Ron already proved to cowardly for the task, his wife talked him out of it, back in 2012.

    My recommendation to PKGers, GIVE RON ALL YOUR MONEY. Ron needs it, you don’t.

  • Ronco says:

    Hey Ron, say hi to the Gossip Queen(TM) for me.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If Anthony is liar weinland, I must admit I am enjoying the high level of frustration on liar wienland part!

    I actually feel honored to know that I am one of the ones who are causing great consternation for the world’s greatest liar (weinland)!! What an honor this is!!!

    How iRONic this is!! Hey weinland, enjoy the pain and frustration of being an absolute fool!! What happen little man!? You and your side kick wife were supposed to be the most feared people on earth! But the reality is that the both of you are very very small people to the point of being invisible!! How wonderful it must be for the both of you!! Looking forward to your grand failure of 2019!! How are you going to explain that one away?

    It is certainly great news to know that weinland is twisting with rage that ex-members would dare oppose him!!! Hey weinland, get ready for the best is yet to come!!! It will come on June 9, 2019!! I look forward to ripping you a new one on that day!!!!