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I’ve been obviously disengaged for some time now.  Received an email request to start a new blog post to keep the comment list from getting too long.  Here it is.  Play nicely.

604 Comments

  • martin says:

    So is Ron going to be correcting the nations from his 4 poster bed?

  • martin says:

    How much time has past since the Great Tribulation Started? How much time is left?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The Great Disappointment of October 22, 1844

    A) Willian Miller:
    1) self-proclaimed prophet
    2) attracts a large following 50,000
    3) based prediction on Dan 8:14 (2300 days equals 2300 years equals 1843)
    4) 1828 “inward call from God”
    5) ministry begins 1831
    6) original date: March 21, 1843 to March 21, 1844 (3/21/44 came and went)
    7) the excuse was Hab 2:3 and Lev 25:9 (tarring time 7 months 10 days)
    8) October 22, 1844 became new set date (it came and went)
    9) 1848 Miller died a discredited and forgotten man

    Does all of this sound familiar? The parallel between weinland and William Miller is astonishing to say the least. I would dare say that wienland is a disciple of William Miller and has based “all” of his predictions and faulty math on Miller’s methods.

    B) Ronald Weinland:

    1) self-proclaimed prophet and one of the witnesses
    2) based prediction(s) on Joe Tkack death
    3) First Great Disappointment May 2012 (excuse Day of the Lord – one year)
    4) Second Great Disappointment May 2013 (excuse – recalculation)
    5) Third Great Disappointment June 9, 2019 (will come and go)
    6) Weinland will die a discredited and forgotten man

    This has been a great study and I recommend that everyone take the time to do so, especially the followers of weinland.

    This study will open your understanding how these lying false prophets operate!!!! It is and always will be one excuse after another by twisting and distorting scriptures by proclaiming it is “spiritual” which does not have any scriptural bases at all!! This is their game and they get rich off of it!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, this may not be known, but I’m wondering how much money was “thrown” at William Miller by his followers?? Of course, comparing it to today it may not have been a great deal of money, but our currency went a lot further in those days. More than likely he got paid in silver and gold as opposed to cash, or they gave him land, livestock, etc.

    And yes, the parallels are indeed uncanny!

    On another note, I notice that there’s nothing at all for next week’s “disservice” on the church site (the 22nd). No cancellation notice or anything. Probably another pre-recorded sermon by……….???

  • Ronco says:

    Miller part 2:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment

    The saga continues…

  • martin says:

    I wonder when Ron does speak again, if he will explain himself. You know, why one of the TW’s had to take sick leave, and not be able to correct anybody in the world.

    It’s ironic, the only people Ron is correcting now are the members of his church!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    Apparently “not” all of membership. Don’t forget the tithe cheaters among the membership.

  • freeatlast says:

    does anyone know anything new about the False Prophet and his cult?

  • freeatlast says:

    sorry, I did not realize there is a page 2 now – thought there had been no comments since the 13th

  • martin says:

    It would be nice to get a medical update, but that’s problematic.

    I suspect Ron is reclining in his bed and resting for now.

  • Randy says:

    The asshole ( Ron ) called mom today ! No the money whore . He tells them God is testing them ! What a joke !

  • martin says:

    Was it really Ron? Or Laura?

    Testing???? Really????????????

    Nowhere in Revelation 11 is there any mention of “testing”. The TWs are “armed” from the get go with power and strength to do their job.

    No nonsense about testing.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, that’s code for “no matter what, keep sending in the money!”

    Truly pathetic…………… 🙁

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What weinland is facing is the Grest Disappointmen of 6/9/19!!!

    He no longer has an excuse!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    I can’t help but wonder what must be going through the minds of those left (trapped) in PKG?

    Here we are nigh into August, and there’s nothing really BIG happening in the world. After all, according to Ron——-shouldn’t we be in some massive chaos by now??

    I can believe there are many a whisper behind the scenes, but most (if not all) are too afraid to question it. It is showing up in other ways though………….their reticence to keep giving over tithes, thus Ron’s complaining in his latest sermons about them “cheating God”.

    Also, how many “tests” need one go through in PKG before they can finally pass?? Good grief! All these tests and no results in even the teeniest way………like maybe Ron being right about SOMETHING??

    Naaaah………ain’t gonna happen!

  • martin says:

    I keep saying it….

    But nobody should believe anybody based on “I said so”. Which is what PKGers are doing with Ron.

    Ron said so, they believe him….how tragic, how sad, how awful….

    Even Christ/Son of God, didn’t expect people to believe Him JUST on His word (of course, in reality, for the Son of God, this should be enough). Christ said EVEN IF YOU DON’T take Him at His, to BELIEVE THE WORKS, and of course to believe Christ based on His works.

  • martin says:

    (correction…)
    ….Christ said EVEN IF YOU DON’T take Him at His words….

  • Randy says:

    Martin
    Ron called her !

  • martin says:

    Ron must be nervous if he’s calling himself.

  • martin says:

    I love how failed prophecy is a “test”.

    That’s the most laughable excuse ever.

    In the OT, you were buried under a pile of rocks if you gave a failed prophecy. You failed the test.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ron just thinks he is being tested. The reality is that he has been set up (by himself!) to fail. He cannot possibly pass this kind of test. He is going down!

    BB

  • Randy says:

    Ron is an asshole he is so scared people are going to talk about him and no buddy knows him , get a life asshole !!!!

  • Don't care anymore says:

    Got a question to through out. If Ron is a witness as he says and is sealed why would he be tested. What would be the need to test someone who is sealed. Just saying.

  • Fooled No More says:

    He says that to make others in PKG see that he can withstand the tests, thus they should be able also. After all, they need to prove themselves “worthy” of wanting to live in “God’s New World”.

    With him and Laura presiding over it??

    Give me a break! Who would want to live in a world where you’d be watched like a hawk for every little thing you do, and then Laura gets to snitch to the “higher ups” that she saw you look at someone “inappropriately”.

    Never mind the fact that as you said——if he’s supposed to be sealed, than there’s no need for “tests”. That’s also a scare tactic to force others there to keep giving money, lest they “fail” the test.

    It’s a neat deal ain’t it?? You get to scare people into sending you money each time they get paid, and threaten them with the wrath of God if they don’t. How much longer the majority there will put up with this scam I don’t know, but it needs to come to a complete and screeching halt.

    Ron and Company——-the clock is ticking! How much longer will you keep up this charade of 2019 and its non happening?? I hope you can see your empire slowly but surely emptying out of no more gullible people! Get out there and make an honest living and stop beating folks out of their money!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    unfortunately there will always be gullible people, but hopefully the number for him is small.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    All he and Laura need to live comfortably is a couple of dozen tithe payers with average income. Now this wouldn’t support Ron and Laura in the style to which they’ve become accustomed so they’d have to downsize a bit and Jeremy and Audra would have to get real jobs, But R&L wouldn’t starve.

  • martin says:

    Shouldn’t the PKGers be “ready” (whatever that would mean in Ron’s eyes)?

    When exactly will they be ready? The last day????? If they’re not “ready” now, they’ll never be ready.

    For those who are considering on whether they should stop tithing to Ron. I would say, stop.
    Ron is a thief. How much of that money you send is actually being used to preach the gospel? (Ron’s gospel)

    Not much, most of it is used to buy steak and fancy jewelry and paintings.

  • Plimsol says:

    On the subject of tithing:-

    God gave Ron to write a third and final book, “Prophesy Against the Nations” (according to Ron).

    Ron said, and I quote, “God has directed this revelation to be sent out to the world” (from “About Ronald Weinland” on his website).

    But Ron knows better, and has decided that to do as God directed would be a waste of money, and he should keep the tithe money it would cost for himself. In the last post on his website he says “If we were to start now with the promotion of the book and the great expense in doing so, it would be a waste of time and money”.

    STEALING from God. Sick, sick, sick.

  • Excogger says:

    Since A.D.70, ANYONE demanding tithes is stealing.

  • Parker West says:

    I am amazed at the attempts to turn nasty and sour lemons into sweet lemonade, or to turn an f’ing lying sociopath into some kind of a prophet who slipped up a bit. Folks, this man cannot make a statement that is Biblically correct or one that comes true. One would think that 1 of his dire predictions might be accurate given the sheer volume of Weinland BS, but no it hasn’t happened.
    Even worse than Retarded Ronnie are his followers, Ladies and Gentlemen do you need the roof to fall on your heads to convince you that you are following an idiot? You are all a pimple on the ass of humanity.

  • martin says:

    I do wonder how much is saved up by them? Or did they just squander away as much as they got coming in?

    There are people who could have millions and be broke at the end of the year, and there are people who may have only $10,000 in the bank and at the end of the year have maybe $12,000 from living frugally.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Been on vacation with the money that I would have paid to ronald “william miller” weinland! Had a great time weinland – no money for you!!!

    Have I missed any great revelations form this lying thief weinland?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Welcome Back EIE! Ain’t it great to take a trip somewhere, and not have to worry about “holding some back” for the church??

    Right after I left PKG two years ago in March, the next month I took a road trip to NJ to a model contest (model cars), and spent a TON of money on my biggest hobby I haven’t been able to indulge in for years! It was a GREAT feeling, and I got to reconnect with fellas who hadn’t seen me for 7+ years! 🙂

    TOTAL FREEDOM!

    Nothing big yet on the Weinland front………..I see on his site he still has cancelled trips through this month, and hasn’t updated anything beyond the first week of next month. We know something’s afoot——just a matter of time before the dam breaks. 😉

  • freeatlast says:

    here’s a what if – what if Audra and Jeremy deserted Ron and Laura?
    I think Ron would need a while to digest that!!
    but just a what if

  • martin says:

    They won’t because they are tied to their apron strings.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Unless Ron experiences some sort of resurgence, he will never be able to repay his debt to the IRS, let alone regain the lifestyle he and his family enjoyed at their peak. Unfortunately for him, he has lost his earning power, due to the multiple prophecy failures, declining health, and the defection of his members and elders following the notoriety caused by his trial. The little cult grew originally in part due to the brashness of his prophecies and him publically betting on himself by stating that if they failed, he’d get out of the prophecy business. They failed, he reneged, and, worse, he was not supernaturally delivered by God from the IRS, but was instead exposed as a tax thief and as the illegitimate profiteer from a charity. Bottom line is, he is finished, and at this time, his victims and survivors compose a rather large “dead pool” awaiting and betting upon his time of demise.

    Had God been endorsing him, Ron would have been delivered from jail like Peter, and there would have been next steps, more enthusiasm and added momentum or impetus for his work. God did not deliver him from jail, and therefore there is no reason to expect any sort of revival from the current situation. He’s finished. This is the end of his preaching career.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I fully agree with you BB.

    Weinland will face his “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” just as William Miller faced his on October 22, 1844. What excuse does weinland have to justify his LIE!? Weinland will suffer the same fate, he will die a forgotten and discredited man!!

    Here we wait for the new lie to appear. I personally believe he will be unable to do so. So now it it time to grab as much money as he can between now and 6/9/19!!

  • freeatlast says:

    this coming Sabbath sermon now posted – it is by Wayne and using youtube – we should know soon about post Aug 5 trips/events

  • martin says:

    How about a sermon explaining how Ron is the definition of failed prophecy?

    Nothing he’s done or ever will do, will fulfill any prophecy whatsoever.

  • Randy says:

    Weinland is a lying punk he is so full of shit it’s coming out of Laura’s ears when he dies I’m going to ask mom was he in the streets with his bitch , did he breath fire and bring down rain !

  • martin says:

    Still as yet (as far as I know), there has been no public explanation for these cancellations.

    All we know for sure is that it was based upon some medical issue. The most likely one being a heart condition of some sort.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I am sure his stress levels are high.

    Knowing that a rebellion is about to take place among his followers. I am sure ronald “william miller” weinland is scrambling to come with an excuse for “his” Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019. His (weinland) time is running out and he knows it and he “must” come up with lame-brain excuse and some new lie to keep himself viable and ensuring there is some kind of cash flow.

    It will be interesting to see how johnny and wayne are going to cope with promoting the lies of weinland. Personally, I do not understand how they can carry this charade for weinland. What is in it for them!?

    lies lies and more lies

  • freeatlast says:

    EIE – “lies lies and more lies” and Wayne’s sermon is about “truth” The remaining followers have no excuse for staying. Truly sad.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    freeatlast:

    How hypocritical!!!! To promote the lies of a lying thief!?

    I ask the question again, what is in it for wayne and johnny?? What, fame and glory!? When the Great Disappointment of June 6, 2019 comes and goes, what fame and glory will the have?? They will be discredited along with the primary liar of the entire group, ronald “william miller” weinland!!

    Time to wake up johnny and wayne or you will join the ranks of the discredited and forgotten along with weinland!!! Do you really want this?? the choice is yours and no one else!! You live it and you will die with it!

    Get with it boys and open your clouded eyes!!!

  • freeatlast says:

    I have a feeling that something will give the weekend of August 5 – Weinlands are partial to Detroit – maybe and hopefully it will be their last trip?

  • Byker Bob says:

    In case any of Weinerdude’s people are tuned in here, I have a vocabulary lesson which I would like to present at this time.

    empirically: by means of observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

    Used in a sentence: The prophecies of Ron Weinland are empirically known to be false!

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The question becomes, “WILL THEY”

  • martin says:

    Byker Bob…I was going to post something similar….

    I do wonder if those in PKG can recognize whether a prophecy has been fulfilled, or whether it hasn’t, or even if it sort of mattered.

    For example if Christ was born female, but still did everything else written of “Him” in the NT, would it matter? For some it wouldn’t.
    But there are numerous prophecies related to the “SON of man”, so it does matter.

    I bring this up because there are prophecies related to the TW’s. It does not seem to matter to many, what these prophecies say about them. Like how the OT is explicit on them being both males (which I confirmed with a Hebrew language expert).

  • martin says:

    Now I must ask….WHY doesn’t it matter???

    It should matter! It does matter!

    If it doesn’t matter, then the TW’s can do anything, be anything, we could make up whatever we want regarding them, and disregard and pay no attention to what the bible says about them.

    One can witness for both of them, one can be a silent witness (absurd, try that in a modern court), one can fake die, not die, spiritually die, fulfill prophecies by not fulfilling them….etc…etc…all absurdist thinking.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I agree, where is the sound mind to sort these things out?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is unfortunate that ronald “william miller” weinland has successfully distorted their their soundness of mind.

  • freeatlast says:

    Weinland has posted new upcoming trips – how unfortunate! so sad.

  • Randy says:

    The ashole is supposed to breath fire and bring down rain , he probley can’t breath and pisses on his foot !

  • Randy says:

    All pkg’s said what ever God lets happen , well he did open your eyes he let the crook go to prison and and his health feel apart !

  • Fooled No More says:

    I can certainly guarantee that whenever Ron and Laura do their “visiting”, they don’t have near the numbers that would drop everything, and go see ’em. I’d almost bet that they don’t even draw more than 20-25 people in any given visit.

    A far cry from 2008-09 when there could be upwards of 50+ people attending one service when they would be there.

    I can’t feel sorry for ’em………they’ve caused so much damage over the years that it’s just flat out criminal!

  • freeatlast says:

    it isn’t August 5 yet – who knows – anything can happen the soap op continues

  • martin says:

    Where are the 7000 non-PKGers dropping dead?

    Where are the 63,000 members that were supposed to run to PKG?

    Don’t they know a false prophet when they see one?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well, that is to be expected from a liar.

    Do not worry weinland’s “day of great disappointment’ is coming!!!!

  • martin says:

    Let’s say that this prophecy is supposed to happen the way Ron said. It was supposed to happen BEFORE the last 3 1/2 years started.

    It didn’t, so that is another failed prophecy.

    The fact is, Ron can’t read English, because even though this is a prophecy, it is not going to happen the way Ron said it would, because that is not what the verse is saying.

    Ron is not an expert in the Hebrew, Greek, or it seems even the English language.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, I say why don’t we start a “Doomsday” countdown for Weinland?? Not a Doomsday for the world of course as Ron would like to see——A Doomsday for him as that’s when his world “ends” and the colossal failure of all of this will be plain for all of PKG to see.

    As of today, there are 678 days till June 9, 2019. Perhaps each day, well just tick off the day, as we get ever closer and closer.

    Sounds like fun! 😀

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – I feel very strongly that he won’t even make it 178 days! let’s count UP and see how many he has left! today being day 1. his heart can’t take much more!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast very true! With the kind of strain he’s under both physically AND mentally, things could happen very quickly and drastically.

    All of his own doing! Perhaps if he wasn’t so entrapped in all of his lies and deception, perhaps his heart wouldn’t have to be under so much stress??

    Hmmm……………….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM

    I Love the Idea!!! Maybe Mike can set up the counter on this site.

    Remember the backtrack of fifty days which will place in April 2019. Soooooo, one year from April 2018 it will be over for Ronald William miller weinland

  • martin says:

    I don’t know, I think Ron will probably have a heart attack, that will disable him or kill him.

    He doesn’t sound like he’s in the best of health, he sounds like he’s on his last run.

  • martin says:

    (that is, before the 2019 date)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Day 677 and counting down!! 😉

  • freeatlast says:

    day 2 and counting up until Ron is no longer!

  • freeatlast says:

    cmmon Ron, do us a favor!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    The only favor that I would ask of Ron, would be to help repair all the damage that he has done in every ones lives. To return the money that he stole from the people that believed in him, so that they could use it for other things, like helping people in their areas directly. Get a “Real” job, Laura also, so that two incomes would be better to return money, your children last, of course.

  • freeatlast says:

    day 3 and counting UP until Ron is no more

  • Fooled No More says:

    Yup! 676 days until the GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT reemerges again! 😮

  • freeatlast says:

    and today is day 4 counting UP until Ron is no longer

  • martin says:

    Usually on these upcoming trips, Ron takes some other people with him, I notice he doesn’t do it now (at least now).

    I thought those that went with him footed their own bill? So I’m surprised that nobody is accompanying them for their upcoming trips.

  • freeatlast says:

    maybe and hopefully they are saying “good by”???

  • Fooled No More says:

    COG-PKG! You’ve got 675 days left to avoid bitter disappointment!

    The question now is…………….will you??

  • freeatlast says:

    I predicted Ron would not make it 178 days – this is day 4 counting UP

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, thanks for that link/reminder! I had forgotten about that site as that was the one that a number of us in PKG were using to count down the days till May 27, 2012.

    Now here we are 5+ years later, and PKG sits on their hands “hoping” for something big to happen between now and 674 days later. Good grief—–I can’t help but think from time to time of all the time and opportunities wasted! 🙁

    BUT! I’m going to make up for it a bit tomorrow as I’m getting together with a bunch of guys in my car modeling club, and we’re going to have a nice big ‘ole picnic/BBQ at the local lake. PLENTY of food, and with folks I’ve known for in some cases, decades now.

    Take THAT you sourpusses at PKG!

  • Eric says:

    I have put the date tracking website to use. Just a reminder of one of his many failed prophecies

    (May 23, 2012) The good news is that God is going to reunite His Church into a single organized body once again. It will begin to happen IN ONLY A COUPLE OF DAYS and the potential number of previously baptized members (before the apostasy in 1994) that God is going to grant this opportunity to is 63,000.

    5 years, 2 months, 13 days later / 1900 days later ………………………………………………………………………

  • martin says:

    Rev 11:13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of THE CITY(greek:polis, where we still use today, as in metropolis) fell. And seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the rest were frightened and gave glory to the God of Heaven.

    As I mentioned before, Ronald Weinland can not even understand basic English….

    In his confusion, he equates the 10 percent with the 7000, and thus concludes that 63000 survives. The 10 percent is NOT referring to the 7000, but to the city, a tenth of the city collapses in this earthquake.

    But even worse
    This happens AFTER the death of the TWs, at the END of the 1260 days (+3 1/2 days). But Ron has it happening at the beginning of the 1260 days. While both he and wife are still alive.

    How this guy has a single follower baffles me.

    It is tragic, that people cling to this obvious liar, who can’t understand a single verse in the bible.

  • martin says:

    I had fun with one of his converts, I think it was a elder. I mentioned that in Rev 11, that the second woe (which concludes just right after that earthquake)
    Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    Is the 6th trumpet, and the 7th trumpet sounds very quickly after it.(verse 15)

    So how on earth could this happen at the beginning of the 1260 days?

    He didn’t answer for a few weeks.

  • Ronco says:

    Ron is back to blathering- business as usual!

  • freeatlast says:

    evidently what happened on July 8 to Ron happened in Detroit according to Ron – it was a surprise visit to Detroit not on the list and something caused him to end up in the hospital

  • Byker Bob says:

    Communication can be a funny topic sometimes. Like the guy from Texas who is vacationing in California. He walks into a Walmart and someone asks if they can help him find anything. He smiles, and says “Ice Cream.” Not being familiar with Southern accents, the store attendant takes him over to the pharmacy aisles where the Preparation H and Anusol are displayed.

    LOL!
    BB

  • martin says:

    lol

  • Ronco says:

    Our blue-tasseled buddy Zerubbabel is at it again- America will soon start to collapse…

    http://www.repairingthebreach.info/

  • Fooled No More says:

    Alright! We’re down to 672 days! Wake up PKG………I know some of you read this blog! 😉

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Alright we are one day closer to the “GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019!!!”

    Hey! Ronald Williams Miller Weinland, “That Day is coming quickly!”

    Is your heart beginning to race? Lies lies and more lies!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Zerubabbel is stupid… you don;t even have to think or care about anything he says.

    1. He has said dozens of times that HIS own timelines DON’T matter, because God will either fulfill them or NOT, so all that matters i the continual warning.

    2. Zerubabbel OPENLY ADMITS he makes mistakes often, and then just goes on about how “god” caused him to make the error so Zerubabbel can speak about some new “truth” that invariably is revealed to be another mistake or outright lie.

    3. Zerubabbel’s fascination with completely unconnected numbers and contrived number relations has proven to be based on his own moods, and there is no Biblical number he hasn’t gleefully found a way to erroneously fold into his ridiculous “theology”. He will LITERALLY make any number mean anything he feels like making it, no matter how unBiblical or contradictory it is.

    Remember, this is a guy that is PROID of the “fact” that he was held by the Tel Aviv airport authority in the PSYCH ward of a nearby hospital until being deported back to Greece where he was arrested and deported for his attempted fraud/passport violations there. He is PROUD of it, and sees it as part of his Two Witness prophecy! Zerubabbel is a nothing… even his dates now are called “way points” wherein god may or may not act… and we all have “ONLY” another 38 YEARS before there are no more waypoints…until he invents some more!

    Zerubabbel is nothing more than an EXTREMELY irrelevant Youtuber who thinks god talks to him…

  • Excogger says:

    Avalo – It’s obvious…

    Z – Babble and WRong are both receiving messages from, and probably having conversations with, the same “god”. Both demand money under false pretences and both have run foul of the Law enforcement agencies of “Satan’s World”. They both pretend to love the Old Covenant and its 613 laws, but have only attempted to enforce a select few of their own twisted versions.

    Just observe what Armstrongism can spawn!

    Mike, did I play nicely??

  • martin says:

    Zerubabbel I think he had that one follower, I wonder if he still follows him…

    It is funny how he ALWAYS begins a “speech” or “sermon” or whatever you want to call it by obsessing over Satan’s and/or God’s calendar.

    His manner of speaking is quite annoying.

  • Ronco says:

    “TURN BACK FROM YOUR REBELLION TO YOUR MAKER BY TURNING BACK TO HIM THROUGH THAT WHICH HE HAS RESTORED AND SEPARATE YOURSELF TO HIM TO BE HIS SHUT-UP TREASURE OR ELSE PREPARE TO BE SMITTEN AND IF YOU REFUSE TO BE HUMBLED ONCE HE SMITES YOU, PREPARE TO DIE!”

    Z – Babble

    Awesome, as Ron would say.

  • Excogger says:

    Ah, yes. Another prophet trying to turn a profit from the loss of his integrity and reason…

  • Ronco says:

    “Ah, yes. Another prophet trying to turn a profit from the loss of his integrity and reason…”

    In my own opinion, I think Z is just a raving lunatic with nothing more than a desire for attention rather than wealth.

  • martin says:

    Zerubabbel is incomprehensible.

    He should be committed to an insane asylum.

  • freeatlast says:

    the difference between bird flu and swine flu – one requires TWEETment and the other OINKment

  • freeatlast says:

    just a laugh for everyone

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Zerubbabel has a formula which is so stupid, he must be mentally ill to think it is valid… make every single word of the Bible a “prophecy” whenever he feels like it!

    For example:

    1. I randomly opened the Old Testament to 2nd Samuel 3: 17… “Abner conferred with the elders of Israel and said, “For some time you have wanted to make David your king.”

    2. Zerubbabel would say, “Abner refers to the here and the now, as you all confer with the false leaders of Christianity, and wish to make false images your king, instead of listening to Yahweh’s Second Anointed Son (Zerubbabel himself!).

    3. Then he will refer back to this statement as Yahweh’s 2nd Samuel Abner “PROPHECY”…”concerning the here and the now”.

    4. Thus every Scripture in the Bible and every number is prophetic, no matter how many times he uses each in differing manners.

    1 Chronicles 16:11? Oh look! It’s Yahweh’s “Seek His Face Always” prophecy…about us needing to seek Zerubbabel’s face by coming to his crappy campsite and giving him money!

    Colossians 3:2? Oh look! It’s Yahweh’s “Give Your Money To Zerubbabel” prophecy…for the here and the now!

    Proverbs 18:10? Oh look! It’s Yahweh’s “You Are Required By God To Run To My Crappy Campsite and Give Me Money” prophecy!

    Every time he opens his mouth, somewhere in the world a toilet has just been flushed…

  • martin says:

    Z’s horrible, horrible, manner of speech is the most annoying style of speaking I’ve ever heard from any speaker. Makes Ron’s style of speaking almost tolerable in comparison.

  • Randy says:

    What’s the asshole up to and his money whore ?

  • martin says:

    Can somebody provide an update to Z’s ‘fund me’ campaign?

    I have a feeling he didn’t get much….

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    He donated personally to his own campaign to give it a little traction (about $137), and his one follower donated a couple of times, ($100). Two or three more people donated some money and he ended up with a grand total of $367! So Zerubbabel actually raised $130 dollars of outside money!

    Remember:

    1. He said it was GOD’s idea to do this, because God was going to start bringing in money for his big project…which was to drill a well, build a mini-farm and buildings to house all the thousands of people who were about to come running to his lunatic Petra that he is trying to get going, “God’s Most Holy Place At This Time”.

    2. He also said that, at specific intervals, he was going to continuously raise the funding goal from 280,000 to 2.8 million, then to 28 million… then 280 million as God instructed him to!

    3. THEN, when the campaign closed it was God showing us that we are sinners by not giving God what he is owed, so the campaign was still a success. Remember…there is NO thing that Zerubbabel will allow as truth save for his fantasies. He can NEVER be wrong about anything. It is all prophecy that proves Z right. That is Z’s entire theology.” I’m right..the end”.

    This towel wearing idiot ran a campaign to raise 280 MILLION dollars to drill a well and build a giant complex for all the people he truly believes will come running to his particle board shed on his tiny piece of land he is months behind in rent for. He even revealed one time that his wife has to duct tape her shoes every day to wear them around…as they can’t afford new ones.

    You think Z is stupid… there is a woman that goes without decent/sanitary footwear for this moron…

  • martin says:

    I am astounded that his wife is still with him.

  • FedUp says:

    Z’s god is a lousy financier.

  • Ronco says:

    Only 80 watching Johnny today!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Maybe they all wanted a good sleep and stayed in bed instead of sleeping in a chair?

  • freeatlast says:

    and why did Ron NOT speak? they were supposedly there in Georgia according to their list of trips. Me thinks something is up!

  • martin says:

    Maybe Ron is still undergoing TWEETment?

  • freeatlast says:

    good one, Martin

    hope they are using OINKment with the TWEETment!

  • freeatlast says:

    Ron needs to be annOINKed

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast….. LOL!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    664 days to go before total disappointment part 2 sets in!

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    I’ve been watching Leah Remini’s Scientology and the Aftermath on A&E. Scientology’s fundraiser gals are so similar to the Feast events. Disinformation, high pressure arm twisting to donate to Ron’s lifestyle in the name of God. What a crock. He’s not even unique, he has copied all the losers and brainwashers.

    Oh my aching heart…oh wait. Ron’s heart. I’m shocked he even has one, but not for long.

  • freeatlast says:

    good to hear from you Ruby – if you wish ask Mike for my email

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I’ve seen the Scientology program with Leah. I found it very interesting. I remember hearing WWCG talking about it back in the 70’s, when it was just starting to get popular with the movie people. Now I’m older and see not much difference in the brainwashing, just different approach to religion.

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    Freeatlast – Are you from the Erie group? Or did I meet you at one the feast gatherings?

  • freeatlast says:

    Ruby – I visited with Mitch W

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, do you know if Mitch is still in the NW part of the country? Last time I saw him he was this way in the MD area as he was saying his goodbyes since he was to be married soon. That was sometime in ’14, and of course I’ve lost track of everyone since I’ve said my goodbyes! 🙂

    Mitch was the one that dropped the bombshell (unwittingly) when he was showing us pics at a restaurant before services, of his then Fiance. Much to our surprise, in one of those pics was Audra with this “guy”. Someone asked who the man was in the picture with Audra, and Mitch said “Oh, that’s Audra’s Husband!”.

    Practically everyone’s jaw dropped to the floor as we all knew that she had just gotten divorced from Chris barely six months earlier. Needless to say, it made for quite the buzz in certain circles for awhile.

    BTW, how does one get their pic for the avatar with their message. I see you have one Freeatlast……….I want one too! 😀

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – as far as I know Mitch is still in the Spokane WA area. But I haven’t heard anything in two years. Sign up for an avatar with the email address you use for this site – that should do it. does 571 + 384 = 9004?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    UPDATE:

    Just when I had given up on Zerubbabel The Lunatic running out of new material he ups his game with a brand new “revelation”

    1. If we call what he says a lie or nonsense, we are saying it is not true.

    2. If we reject his word, we are rejecting the word and spirit of God’s revelation to him.

    3. Thus, we are committing the Unpardonable Sin.

    Summary: if we reject HIS nonsense God will NEVER forgive us! LOL!

    OH ZERUBBABEL…I AM VERY DELIGHTED TO BE PERMANENTLY DOOMED BY THE PRANCING IMAGINARY GOD IN YOUR HEAD…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BTW. Laughing boy weinland is in Orlando Florida this weekend at the doubletree inn. Final arrangement for the for.

    Hey! Ronald William miller weinland you are not welcomed in Florida!!!!!!

    It is coming soon!! The Great Disappolntment of June 9, 2019!!! As johnny keeps saying, we have a front row seat!!!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Hmmm……..nothing scheduled after this weekend? Wow!

    That’s very interesting ‘cuz in times past, they’d have trips planned out weeks sometimes months in advance.

    Interesting indeed!

  • martin says:

    Slightly off topic….

    There’s going to be an eclipse this Monday!

  • Ronco says:

    If you don’t have a pair of special glasses for the eclipse, you can easily make a pinhole camera.

    https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/learn/project/how-to-make-a-pinhole-camera/

  • freeatlast says:

    for more on the eclipse and possible significance (towards the bottom of this article – the entire article is interesting)
    https://countdownreport.wordpress.com/2017/07/13/numbers/

  • Randy says:

    What up asshole
    No rain
    Breath no fire
    You are dieing
    Your bitch stole all these poor old people’s money
    You need your ass kicked for stealing money
    None of your bullshit came close
    You asshole had reached a lot of life’s and stole a lot of money you prick
    You are a no good basterd
    Please close your eyes and die just like you said every else would die !

  • martin says:

    ….and we’re back on topic…..

  • freeatlast says:

    freedom of speech allows me to say what I wish Martin! are you in charge?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have a message for you ronald william miller weinalnd.

    You were, at one time, a darkness surrounding my spiritual life and I now rejoice that your shadow of darkness and evil is no longer in my world. My world is now bright and beautiful since the moment I rejected you and cast you to the ground!! You are a dark and evil element that is destructive to any who come near you.

    In my eyes, your life is meaningless and will end in disgrace and failure. You are a liar and deceiver and will pay that price at the end of your pitiful and decaying life. Your time is short weinland!! Your “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” is the approaching storm that will end it all for you. As of now, you are naked before the world because of all of your lies and deceit – you are now exposed –

    You are a curse to yourself and those you have taken advantage of over the years. Destroyed marriages, financial ruin to innocent people for all of the deceit and lies that you spewed prior to May 2012. And yet you still are lying and stealing from any who will listen to you. You will curse the day of June 9, 2019!!! It will be a day of reckoning for you weinland!!! A day I look forward to and I will see justice for all of the arrogance by you and your twisted wife. My stomach churns at the claim of you two as being the “chosen ones” of these times!! I have a clear view of you and it sicken me to think that the both of you have the gull to claim such a thing!!! The two of are nothing more than human debris.

    The mere though of you and your wife is vomit in my mouth!!

  • martin says:

    freeatlast, I was lol at Randy’s amusing post….how quick the return to the subject of Ron.

  • Excogger says:

    Johnny’s sermon title from last weekend – “Believe in God”

    Translation ( “Better said” ): “Believe in Ron” (or else….!).

    Same old, same old, same old…..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    FreeAtLast said: “freedom of speech allows me to say what I wish Martin! are you in charge?” Hey..if no one is in charge I’ll sign up for the job.

    New topic: The Bible… mostly wrong, or totally wrong? LOL!

  • freeatlast says:

    I am gone – no more comments from me

  • Ronco says:

    Ron is back to blathering!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Oh great! More Ronald Weinland verbiage. Just what the world needs!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Best view I ever got of an eclipse was through a welder’s mask. I happened to be picking up a repaired gear, and my welder buddy asked if I’d seen the solar eclipse yet. The lense on the mask was nearly opaque, designed so the bright welder’s arc will not burn the retina of the eye over time. It did a great job of protecting my eyes from the sun, and the eclipse was pretty awesome.

    BB

  • martin says:

    Please be careful, While it does provide some protectIon, i read that a welder’s mask is not considered completely safe for extended viewings.

  • Fooled No More says:

    In my part of the country (mid Atlantic), we’re supposed to have sunny to partly cloudy skies for tomorrow. I’ll be at work when it’s supposed to happen, but I hope to get a quick glance at the eclipse sometime while it’s happening.

    On the PKG front, it’s VERY interesting that Ron has nothing scheduled for upcoming trips even after the last one has just passed. That tells me one of two things (or both)—–they’re so broke that they don’t have the means to traipse here and there visiting areas, or the membership has dwindled down so much that’s it’s pointless to keep going to the same places over and over again.

    In the past when I was there, they’d have trips planned out for weeks sometimes months in advance! My how times have changed and for the honest hearted…………that’s good!

    He’s got 657 days to brace for an even BIGGER fallout than what happened on May 27. 2012.

    This time around there would be so few left, that they could all come to his basement to hear him in person, let alone over the ‘net. 😉

  • Byker Bob says:

    By the way, if you are still reading here, freeatlast, don’t let whatever happened throw you. Your comments are valuable. There are a bunch of times when I might have walked away from different blogs and forums, but I took a deep breath and decided not to let anyone else have that much power over me.

    BB

  • Excogger says:

    +1, BB

  • martin says:

    I am a little mystified at why he got offended????

  • Ronco says:

    Well, the eclipse is now history and the US is still standing.
    What’s next, Z-babel?

  • martin says:

    what did that false prophet Z say was going to happen during eclipse? I missed it.

  • freeatlast says:

    Martin – I thought you did not like my eclipse posting and was telling me to get back to the usual topic

    BB, Excogger – thanks for your words

    I will see how things go as far as posting

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I thought the change of topic was great. I was thinking how Ron was going to spin it, was disappointed. Well he still has time. In Wisconsin it just got dusky, like before a storm. It never got dark. Cloudy all day here.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… on the PKG front, it’s VERY interesting that Ron has nothing scheduled for upcoming trips even after the last one has just passed. That tells me one of two things (or both)—–they’re so broke that they don’t have the means to traipse here and there visiting areas, or the membership has dwindled down so much that’s it’s pointless to keep going to the same places over and over again …”

    Fooled No More: Maybe weifnland has an individual that may want to do him harm (guessing). I have always said that one day he is going to cross paths with the wrong person and that may be why weinland is not posting his trips.

    Didn’t weinland state that he and his wife are the two wotnesses? If this is so, then why the fear? Hummmmm something to think about!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Didn’t he claim a few years ago that someone threatened them, so he put in a top notch security system on the house?

  • martin says:

    freeatlast “Martin – I thought you did not like my eclipse posting and was telling me to get back to the usual topic”

    I was the one that started the eclipse topic!

    My post was at Randy, and how fast he got us all back onto the topic of Ron with his post.

    It was a little sarcasm at his posting …..
    (me)”aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd…..we’re back on track” (so to speak)

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, that’s a very interesting thought! The fact that he might have a “stalker”! 😀

    So it stands to reason that he’s emailing those who are left in PKG of where he’ll be. You can’t blame someone for wanting to get back at him. He and Laura have caused a LOT of damage, and some have had irreparable harm done.

    Interesting just the same!

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – there were about 190 listening this past Sabbath. Considering the number listening out of curiosity (quite a few I would think) that leaves very few actual remaining members. Easy to let them know without posting to site. Or maybe he has a secondary site? Whatever, as we all know, the days they dwindle and one day they both will be kindle ?

  • freeatlast says:

    kindle for the lake of fire!

  • martin says:

    I remember Ron sort of “bragging” about how the harm done to the TW’s doesn’t have to be physical harm. That the greek (in Rev. 11) implies that even if you hurt the TW’s mentally or emotionally, that they had the power to kill you for even that.

    No where does Rev 11 talk about getting a freaking security system to protect them. They are supposed to go toe to toe with their enemies and kill them right there on the spot by breathing fire on them. In fact, they are COMMANDED to do so, it’s not a suggestion.

    So far nothing of this sort from the coward Ron.

  • Freeatlast says:

    FNM – if someone had the money he or she could follow them from trip to trip. Would be exciting and to see if they noticed

  • Ronco says:

    Ron & Laura Weinland are now resuming their visits to Fraud’s Churches in the various areas of the world where Its people are scattered.

    We will continue to focus on duping and bilking those whom Fraud is calling as long as we are able stay out of jail (or the ER) to accomplish such work.

  • freeatlast says:

    Ronco – fantastic! – maybe you could add “and most vulnerable” after “are scattered”? also – Ron and Laura Fraudsters Weinland ?

  • Fooled No More says:

    LOL Ronco!! 😀

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, there was someone in the church that would do just that! Follow Ron and Laura pretty much around the country wherever they were. I don’t know if he’s still doing that (mighty expensive!) but probably not because………..there ain’t that many places for them to go anymore! 😀

    You may even know who this was…….I’ll just say the initials were M.H. 😉

  • Excogger says:

    My Hero.

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – no, I do not recognize the initials. My idea is stealth based. Follow and not get caught!

    by the way, do you ever hear from J P in New Jersey?

  • martin says:

    Does anybody know, when Ron makes these trips…..

    Does he stay at the location, all week, then go to the next location in his itinerary?

    Or does he go for the weekend, then go back home, then go back out for the weekend to the next location?

    I’m just wondering if he’s in perpetual vacation mode? With all this traveling.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    He returns home the next day.

    Rough thing to do when you have a heart condition.

    BTW, is weinland hyping his “great disappointment of june 9, 2019″ yet”

  • martin says:

    It is a vast waste of money……

    What is the average number of people per visit? I don’t suspect a lot any more…..

    I guess it’s more of a way to hang onto any tithers that are left, you know, they’ll feel special if the TW’s visit them.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, I’ve been wracking my brain trying to figure out who JP is. No one’s contacted me from New Jersey. There was one I was trying to reach out to maybe a year ago, and they were in Jersey, but the answer I got back from them was in order to “stay true to his beliefs” he can’t have contact with me.

    Oh well…….

    Their initials weren’t JP though. Get in touch with Mike to get my email address…there’s more to this story that I have to tell you about, and I think you might know who this fellow was.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, even just before I left over two years ago, we wouldn’t have more than 30 people whenever Ron and Laura came to visit. Long gone are the days when they could pack the house with 50+ people in a visit.

    Lots of woken up and smelled the coffee, and bailed! Good for them! Wishful thinking, but I’d like to see them dwindle to only a dozen followers. Or……..maybe it’s that already?? 😀

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, I got your email addy from Mike…….I’m at work right now, but when I get home in front of my own PC this evening, I’ll drop you a line. I hate typing on Smartphones! 😮

    Talk to you soon!

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – great! have a prophetable day!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well, I just noticed on wacky weinland audio page that he has a sermon titled, “institution of marriage”.

    As a former thug elder of weinland’s cult, I can tell you what this actually means. It means that some marriage are having problems in his cult. It usually happens when one of the spouses decides to dump weinland and all of his crap and lies which leads to the departing spouse demanding of the other one to leave with them.

    What happens, sometime, is that the one spouse will not leave and the other one starts with the “you will burn in the lake of fire if you leave routine”!!!! Well, it doesn’t take a scientist to understand that this marriage is now finished. I have witness this many times when I was part of weinland’s cult.

    Also, some will remember, that wacky weinland stated that “if” the husband leaves and the wife stays, “then” the wife now becomes the “head of the marriage” and the husband is now subservient to the wife!! We all know what the result of this will be, “THE END OF THE MARRIAGE” !!!!!!

    Does anyone remember when wacky weinland was swooning over the fact of all the elder husband and wife teams!? What actually happened is that these teams ended in failure or one of them ended up leaving the cult. This is probably happening again in the cult. I do not read weinland’s garbage but I do know the routines of his personality and there is no doubt in my mind that there are some marriages that are now in trouble because of this lying deceiving weinland and no doubt he will take no responsibility of the relationships he has destroyed in the past or now in the present time!! Weinland is typical of the personality that “nothing” is his fault when reality speaks differently of this!!!

    I am a witness to weinland destructiveness to marriages and relationships and it is all due to his twisted delusions of being something he will never be!!!!

  • freeatlast says:

    probably the only reason Ron and Laura are still “married” is because of WHAT they are and WHO they think they are. I doubt there is any real love there.

  • freeatlast says:

    Ron is still keeping 2019 off the calendar page – he knows he is in big doo doo

  • martin says:

    Why on earth is he talking about marriage????

    Shouldn’t he be cursing the nations, with plagues and rivers of blood, and breathing fire on his enemies?????

    Ron was so EAGER to do that, back in 2008 when he went and bragged and said that the mockers didn’t have to wait long, before they would start dropping dead? What a laugh!
    His tail went between his legs after that, and he stopped pronouncing anything, because of the sheer embarrassment of it all. Because none of it happened. (and won’t)

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I laughed to myself all the way home from our “marriage counseling”. The sad part of it was, husband thought it was great advise, since “it wasn’t him”. I was branded an unbeliever, and the marriage soon failed. Like you said EIE, sounds like you were in the room with us. Once I started staying home, it was done. What Ron didn’t want to hear, nor husband either, was I’ve been through this before in 1975, 1977 etc…. and knew the outcome. Said Ron was doing it all over again. Of course, I was wrong, and female to boot. Since Gary made way more income than I did, get rid of me, keep the money coming. Wonder if Gary has seen the light yet. Last I heard he was already chasing another in the church, was doing that while still married. Gary’s words, “don’t call me on Saturday, cause I’ll not answer the phone. Church people are more important than you are.” Since he drove semi, not many even knew he was married. Oh well, better off now.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Glad I’m Free, I know of one of those incidents where he was pursuing someone that didn’t know he was married. What’s interesting is that meeting Gary, one would never know that he was like that! I have to say he’s a VERY good actor!

    The person he was after I’m sure was quite floored when she found out he was married and broke things off lickety-split! And yes, the fact he drives semi makes it easy for him to “prowl around”. I’ve met him at several locations for services that weren’t necessarily near each other, and that includes the Feast in Orlando Florida back in 2011. I don’t think he was there the whole time, just “passing through” as that may have been where his route was taking him at that time.

    And yet, he remains in the church with no threat of being put out. As you said, it’s all about the money…………you make enough of it to satisfy Ron, you remain untouched.

    How disgusting!

  • freeatlast says:

    Ron has an “hypnotic tie” on for today’s sermon. I have always suspected him of using hypnosis! He said that there were plenty of rooms for the feast and anyone not going should cancel their reservation. Wouldn’t it be a riot were someone to call and cancel each reservation (not all at once of course)!

  • martin says:

    Ugh…I looked…

    That tie is hideous. I wonder how much it cost him?

  • Fooled No More says:

    YIKES!! What WAS up with that tie???

    Ron spewing the same ‘ole nonsense in the beginning. How God is leading the church into what’s to come in the “new age”—————-blah, blah, blah!

    Hey Ron, let’s start with your own household why dontcha? For instance, there’s this little problem where your wife doesn’t know how to keep her mouth closed when she should! Then to add insult to injury, her very gossip I’m sure is what led to some marriages in the church breaking up in the first place!

    Get a handle on that, and that would go a long way “instituting” good marriages in the church.

    Ooops!! I almost forgot! LAURA is the real “power” in this church………..all must bend over and kiss her ring lest she becomes mighty surly!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    freeatlast:

    Hummmm, “… He said that there were plenty of rooms for the feast and anyone not going should cancel their reservation …”, that doesn’t sound good at all. You have to keep in mind that in the Orlando area at that time tourist season is beginning. “If” there are plenty of rooms then that would indicate that a “small” group of pkgers are attending. Normally an organization will also book a block of rooms as a guarantee for the reduced price. Sooo, if there are “plenty of rooms” it means just that – a small number will be attending in Orlando. Are you having attendance problems weinland??

    I agree with you Fooled No More that laura is the dark face behind pkg. I have always believed this!! But keep in mind that weinland himself is also part of this dark adventure. That reminds me, I remember a statement by wacky weinland that laura would be over the church during the tribulation, according to wacky weinland. What!! a joke this is!!! The gossip queen has proven herself to be totally unfit because of her backbiting mouth!! Not to mention that she is totally ignorant of what is written in the bible!! You know, it is amazing once you free yourself of these two what you actually see. They are nothing but a lying corrupt couple who could not even maintain their pitiful organization!!

    I look forward to the “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” and watch these two liars twist in the wind!!! Hey Johnny!, I got a front row seat on this one!!! See you there!!!

    These two liars are nothing but a bucket of puke in my eyes!!! It is to the point that I can’t even look at these two without throwing up in my mouth!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    I’m betting that total numbers going to the Feast may be less than 100 people! Just look at how few tune into the sermons on any given Saturday! When I went to the Feast in Orlando in 2011, there weren’t all that many people then considering previous years, but back then there were more Feast sites. I take it that Orlando is the only place in the US having the Feast?

    It’s not like they had to open up the wall in the meeting room to make room for more folks when we were in Orlando. BTW, that was the infamous “Jesus Christ is not returning on May 27th sermon” on The Last Great Day, when Ron said he had a “voice” speak to him telling him so.

    Well that “voice” was right all along as it was the voice of Ron letting us know 9 months in advance that it ain’t gonna happen! Too bad I didn’t make my move and leave directly afterwards but no matter………..I’m long gone from them now and couldn’t be happier!

    June 9, 2019 is less than a year and a half away——how you gonna spin the lead up to this Ron, Johnny, Wayne??? Hmmmm………….??

  • martin says:

    During sermon, I took a screen cap of that abomination (the tie that is).

    https://i.imgur.com/i9EnsuG.jpg

  • Byker Bob says:

    I gave a similar tie to that to the Salvation Army sometime during the ’90s!

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Wacko weinland looks old and stressed to me

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Awww yes, the look of a failing ambition

  • Ronco says:

    That tie is… well, you know… Awesome!

  • martin says:

    Anyways….I do find it astounding that anybody in PKG would think the Great Tribulation is occurring at this time.

    The False Prophet and Beast leader are clearly mentioned as ruling for 42 months. If this is true, then the Mark of the Beast would be enforced on the whole world, for that time as well. The (true) Two Witnesses would also be on the world scene, performing miracles. The False Prophet will/would be performing all sorts of miracles as well (calling down fire in sight of everybody, among other miracles).

    NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING.

    For Ron and his acolytes, it will happen, maybe the last month, or week, or like before, the last day. Plus you have that 50 days fudge factor, you could play around with.

  • freeatlast says:

    I’d rather have a brownie factor

  • martin says:

    I think if Ronald Weinland had “False Prophet” tattooed to his forehead, most would still believe him, in fact, he would probably gain new members.

    Even if the guy is an OBVIOUS false prophet and the guy had it tattooed to his forehead, and chest. Carried around a sign saying he is a thief and liar and false prophet. Had a speaker on a chain around his neck, warning people to stay away. And you know what? People would literally RUN to him and listen to him and become a member, it seems people want to have a false prophet as their teacher. I see this all the time…..

    Now, I’m not speaking of any “minister”, I’m talking about somebody that after a certain amount of time, it should be bleeding obvious the guy is a false prophet, as in Ron’s case.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well Martin, I look at it this way, wacky weinland is finished and he knows it. I am now to the point of wondering who wacky weinland is going to choose to replace him. Is it going to be look into my eyes Jeremy, adulterous Audra, or one of the other two salesmen Johnny or Wayne? Or maybe Clarabell the Clown!! Oooops or could it be Stephen King’s “IT” clown Pennywise!!??

    Something to think about and discuss.

  • Randy says:

    I wish the asshole would come out and take credit for the rain in Texas so all these people who lost everything can bet his and the money whores ass ! He took a lot of money from his fools in Texas !

  • martin says:

    EiE, when I see his latest youtube videos, he looks like a guilty guy who got his hand caught in the cookie jar, and is trying to weasel his way out of trouble.

    Right now, he’s just passing the time, till 2019 comes around. It appears his tactic of avoiding the subject altogether is working spectacularly.

    It’s a shame most in PKG right now don’t have the brain power to figure it out.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    well martin, wacky weiland is going to keep a low profile. He is done and he needs to put other people cash in his bank account. Haven’t you noticed that he has cut back his spending?

    Wacky weinland is not going to go public!!!! Wiith his history of failed predictions of Christ’s retrun, death threaths, A CONVICTED TAX CHEAT!!! He does not stand a chance in the public arena! He would be reduced to ashes within seconds.

    All he is doing is playing church and gathering what cash h can. THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF JUNE 9, 2019 is coming quickly – time is running out for wacky weinland!!!!!

  • Eric says:

    Ron says in his latest sermon

    “there have been so many, or too many if you cases in God’s Church where people have not come close to living up to the standard of marriage that is expected of those who are supposed to be dwelling in the temple of God.”

    Remember this was the group that not so long had been refined and refined again so only the pure remained. WRONG – several time now he has told the few (150?) that remain – actually according to RON you are not very refined, you don’t tithe, you don’t keep the marriage covenant like you should etc etc Yet again another contradiction.

    So PKG – I imagine you sort of feel that your are the last righteous people in thee whole world and that God is probably proud of you for hanging on. But not Ron’s God. Through his prophet God has declared most of you are living below the standard after all you have been through. Of the few who remain even fewer are living like they should. How many are left now?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Is this all that wacky has left!!?? What a hypocritical jerk he is!!

    No wonder the general public could care less about this wacko. It would not surprise me if wacky weinland uses this for an excuse for the failure of June 9, 2019. Wacky weinland has done this before – blame the members because that have not lived up to the standard dictated by wacky weinland!!!

    There is one way to fine out how many are left, find out what the occupancy load is for the room that are renting from Double Tree in Orlando.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Is this wacko weinland taking about physical marriage or something else?

    If it is physical marriage then there must be some real problems within the ranks!! One of the reasons why is that one of the spouses have left while the other has stayed. The weinlands have a long history of destroying marriages. It doesn’t look good when your membership becomes known for one of the spouses leaving because they finally rejected the lying thief weinland and the other stays.

    Sooo how does the wacko handle this – promote divorce or what!?

  • FedUp says:

    It is interesting, EIE, that of all the things the Two Witnesses were supposed to be able to call down on the earth, the only thing he successfully “called down” was the destruction of marriages. That’s all he’s left with. No burning cities. No plagues. No great witness and warning. Just homes and lives broken on the altar of Ron’s ego and hubris.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Yes, in my case, when I left, the marriage was destroyed. He told Gary, if you want to continue to be a member “in strong standing”, you must divorce your mate, the non believer before she can tear you down. God will bless you for this. Really? Marriage was important to God, yet Ron continues to destroy. How are they going to be blessed for this. Gary would shut the door and talk with other members. When I asked what they talked about, he would shut me off, telling me I was no longer a part of his life. Would not talk to me from Friday night to Saturday night, cause that was his time to draw closer to God, which I didn’t want a part of since I left. Only the people in the church could he talk with. He gave up all friends, unless he talked religion to them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    oh my oh my – how weinland’s cult turns turns turns

    Just like the soap opera – “As the World Turns”

  • martin says:

    More like ‘As the Stomach Churns’

  • Fooled No More says:

    The more I think about Ron and his hypocrisy, the more annoyed I get! Lest we remind him of his daughter Audra, and the rather abrupt divorce from her husband Chris. Then the ink was barely dry on her divorce papers, and she’s married again, and jumping in the bed with someone else.

    I talked about this before……………..but I still can see the faces of those that were STUNNED when we found out (surprisingly) that she was indeed married again………barely six months after she left Chris. Ron saw fit to keep all that hush-hush except among a select few. So he needs to do a reality check and make sure his house is in order before he has the nerve to direct anyone else’s marriage.

    EIE, I may do some poking around in regards to how many rooms are booked for the Feast. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if there ARE only 100 people total that show up!

    Boo Hoo…………so sad to see a good thing go bad ain’t it Ron??

  • martin says:

    More or less, everything he condemns of others and in PKG no less, Ron is guilty of it 10 times over.

    The guy is a textbook case of a hypocrite and narcissist.

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM EIE – I have a hunch something may have happened again to Ron this week – just a hunch – hope you find out about the totals at Doubletree, FNM

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    Correction: I meant the size of the conference room. It has an occupancy load limit. Give me the size of the room and I can tell you the occupancy load. This would be a good indicator for estimating numbers

  • Fooled No More says:

    I put a call in to the hotel to get some info, but no one answered so I had to leave a message. If/when they call back, I’ll let you folks know what they told me.

    I do remember Ron saying that there were “plenty” of rooms left over………….I take that to mean obviously there’s still waaaay too many empty seats to fill! In years past, if you didn’t reserve your room at least three months or so out, you weren’t gettin’ it unless someone cancelled, or you could double up.

    Interesting! 😀

  • Fooled No More says:

    Just got off the phone with the person at the hotel. Interesting conversation as I had to “arrange” an event to get info. 😮

    He said that there are many meeting rooms there, but he mentioned that in the past, PKG was there and the room was a 1460 Sq. Ft area or thereabouts. I’m not sure how many people that can hold, but off the top of my head, it doesn’t sound very large.

    I’m not good at dimensions unless I can see them in 3D, so those of you out there can figure out how much space that can be. I can say that we all know that PKG’s numbers are GREATLY reduced, so the room may not even be that large this time around. As I mentioned before, I can almost bet a weeks pay that they won’t even get 150-200 people show up and that includes kids.

    We can just sit back and watch!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If it a table setup the max is 97. If it is just chairs it is 208 max.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM. Your guess is right on

  • martin says:

    I’m trying to remember way back when…

    I think for the 2008-2012 debacle, didn’t he send a threatening email/mail/note to some of the ministers in the splinters that they would die or something like that?

    Does anybody remember what he said?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The following website has a quick calculator: https://www.hotelplanner.com/Common/Popups/SpaceCalculator.cfm
    For “theater seating”, 1460 sq ft is good for 162 people.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    No wonder wacky weinland is having heart issues!!! His house of cards is collapsing right before his eyes!

    Hey wacky weinland YOUR “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” is coming is coming and it will be your end!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Don’t for get minus stage, walkways, etc…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What has happened to the publicist that wacko weinland was going to hire? It was probably a money matter on weinland side or maybe the publicist decided weinland was a lost cause. Or is it just another lie?

    I seem to remember that wacko weinland stated that he didn’t care about the criticism and was going to preach to the world no matter what!! Well, where is he? It certainly can’t be the YouTube thing he is doing! Even that is a joke!

    Where are you weinland!? Are you afraid to face the real truth about what you really are – a lying thief!!!!!

  • martin says:

    I’m 99.99% certain that Ronald Weinland knows that he himself is completely a false prophet.

    But he continues to play the game, because he’s in it for the money.

  • Fooled No More says:

    No doubt about that Martin!

    I can almost bet with 646 days to go, that he’s cooking up a sermon to “explain” why things have “changed”. Some of the sad sacks in COG-PKG will eat this up hook, line and sinker unfortunately. I can best believe though at that point, he’s pretty much toast as having any relevancy, as NO ONE could ever take him seriously again as well they shouldn’t. We know he’s never had any……..hopefully it’ll become crystal clear for those that were “trusting” him.

    I want to see some justice come on God’s part to mete out some sort of punishment for Ron and Laura for all of the damage that’s been done to people’s lives over the years. Of course, the ultimate punishment is death, and that’ll come at some point——–I’m hoping however for some sort of public humiliation in the form of some kind of public shaming (newsworthy), or perhaps some sort of class action suit.

    Although when it comes to religious matters, that’s a pipe dream unfortunately. 🙁

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM, wacko weinland has no growth, reduction in income, damaged heart, and is a convicted felon. Plus HIS Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019 will finish him. Wacko weinland dream of being another HWA is non-existent.

    His downfall has been progressive.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Real prophets coninued to rise to crescendo with the events that they forecast (the events actually came to pass). Armstrongite “prophets” have all faded like one hit wonder rock stars, and some have died all but forgotten. Like the one hit wonders, they temporarily captured large sums of money.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have to agree with you BB. His day is come and gone!!

    Weinland’s problem is that he has this bottomless need for recognition that he is unable to achieve. No cookies for wacko weinland!!!!!

  • Eric says:

    More interesting information escaping from Ron’s mouth. IN the interests of brevity I have removed small sections (…)-

    “Sadly a lot of times when people have conflict and have had conflict in God’s Church this doesn’t seem to hit sometimes because they get wrapped up in JEALOUSIES OR ENVY … people get so involved in such friction. I think of last year’s Feast. SOME OF THESE THINGS HAPPENED DURING THE FEAST, happened directly after the Feast. I LOVE DEALING WITH SUCH THINGS!
    Anyway, I do it because it’s a responsibility. I love it when people are able to repent, but when they don’t repent then that’s the reason I don’t like it, Because A LOT OF TIMES THESE THINGS DON’T GET RESOLVED … IT STILL BLOWS MY MIND HOW OFTEN THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN, but we’re human beings and people have conflict and they have arguments and they get into disputes with each other in God’s Church, and it even happens in marriage. In God’s Church? Yep. It happens. Things happen. People get into situations where they fight each other and they’re not in agreement about various things and they’re UNHAPPY and they go to bed UNHAPPY and they wake up UNHAPPY.”

    Translation of the capitals
    > jealousies and envy exist in PKG
    > The church that has been tried and refined, in reality during what is supposed to be one of the most unified times of the year, experienced conflict during and after the feast
    > He loves dealing with these things!
    > He has a poor record of resolving conflicts
    > These problems happen often
    > A number of PKG people are unhappy

  • Byker Bob says:

    It’s pretty heady stuff, EiE! To be thought of as a “messenger from God”. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate power? Lusting after this makes one man sell a million dollar health food company to start a splinter group. Or another to stack up store-bought degrees and to claim he was ordained a prophet after being annointed for fatigue. Amongst the Armstrong splinter groups, we’ve got so many prophets, apostles, and witnesses that cumulatively they’ve totally discredited and destroyed Armstrongism as any sort of vehicle to speak credibly for God. We’ve heard of history repeating itself, but 1975 was blown once. Now, we’ve got all the dates these guys set being blown and revised every couple months. Weinland is just the very tip of the iceberg. If this were the end times (and there are always factors which could be cited to make it appear that way), God would literally have to raise up stones to get the message out. Sabbath and Holy Day keeping might be fun, but it did not give the Armstrong movement any real or special understanding of prophecy. Not for HWA, and certainly not now.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… JEALOUSIES OR ENVY …”

    Eric,

    What is there to be jealous or envious about in weinland cult? The only thing I can think of is the meaningless titles that wacko weinland gives to his favorites. This in not a good report for the so called “refined” group!

    As a former elder of weinland’s cult, weinland DID NOT get involved in member’s problems!!!! This is an absolute lie on his part! He always gave it to the elders to settle and these elders had no experience or training in dealing with these types of problems. This is why many of them left because it was always, “you better repent or you are gone!” attitude from these so called enlightened elders!!

    I am of the opinion that this will only get worst as time goes on because now they are seeing the fraud that both the weinlands are!!

    Hey weinland your meaningless titles are just that meaningless!!! There is nothing else in wenland’s cult that is worthy of any jealousies or envy!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BB

    That is true. Weinland is a perfect example.

  • freeatlast says:

    whiney weiny!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Maybe the members are lusting after another

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Oops after one another

  • martin says:

    Well, still no updates on “Upcoming Trips” for Ronald Weinland and gossiping/lazy wife.

    Well, so far there are two theories, I’m not sure if there has been any conclusive evidence for either…..

    1) That Ron + Laura are worried about some stalker and don’t want to give out trip details

    2) That Ron’s health does not permit long term planning.

    3) a third possible reason, is that somebody is lazy and simply hasn’t updated the web site.

    I find that #1 (if true) is hilarious, that God’s two fire breathing witnesses have to resort to such measures.

    Also for #2 (if true), is hilarious as well, as God is not supporting their (so called) mission by not healing or giving Ron the good health he would need to perform his many arduous duties (such as not performing any miracles of any kind whatsoever).

    #3 is possible, maybe the web site maintainer asked for a raise or something…..

    And so it goes in the latest episode of …..
    As The Stomach Churns…..

  • Ronco says:

    Come on PKG, these are desperate times- the works of Fraud must prevail! Please Keep Giving!!!

  • Ronco says:

    Hi Ron!

  • freeatlast says:

    Martin – 4th possibility – Ron is playing games with those who read this blog – what else does he have to do? whiney weiny full of blimy

  • martin says:

    Still nothing…

    How are PKGers going to meet their idol, if Ron doesn’t post his upcoming trips?

    Also how is Ron going to maintain his hold on the members without visiting them?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    His health is not what it used to be. The mounting stress is becoming to much for him. Don’t forget, his “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019” is coming quickly and he has no excuse for its failure!

    His lies and deceit is finally taking its toll on him. What goes around comes around.

  • Byker Bob says:

    A lot of influential people lie to advance their agendas and idealogies. Next to Weinland, probably the most flagrant and ridiculous example is Rush Limbaugh. He is claiming that the news of Hurricane Irma (a cat-5 hurricane) is fake news, part of a vast conspiracy concocted to support what he calls the global climate change “theory”. This, in the wake of the devastation in Texas, disappearing glaciers around the world, methane holes opening up in what used to be permafrost in Siberia, and the recent Delaware-sized iceberg which broke from Larsen C, and the continued collapse of that entire shelf in Antarctica.

    There’s one hell of a lot more to be concerned with around the globe than fairy tales from the Armstrong false prophecy mold!

    BB

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin with PKG’s shrinking (and no doubt small) numbers, Ron’s probably emailing what few Elders there are with info about where he’ll be and when. These Elders will then go and email whomever’s on their list and that’s how he’s able to keep it off his blog.

    Now…………….if he’s supposed to be so “empowered” as one of the end time witnesses, shouldn’t he be able to obliterate anyone who would try to take him out?? What better way to show “he’s the one” than to simply incinerate anyone who would try to do him harm! Seems as though that’s a “perfect witness” to all that would see it.

    Wouldn’t it??

    OOOPS! Silly me, how could I forget! Ron doesn’t have any such power nor will he ever! So in the words of the late, great Emily Litella………………Never Mind! 😀

  • freeatlast says:

    again, whiney weiny full of blimey! looks like hurricane Irma track may take it right over Ron and Laura’s house!

  • Excogger says:

    Perhaps Ronnie, with his Great Powers obtained by applying for a Certificate advertised on a cereal box, will divert the hurricane to Washington, D.C. and take out the Legislature and Donald Trump!

  • Freeatlast says:

    Maybe the feast site will be leveled by the hurricanes

  • Byker Bob says:

    That’s probably what God is doing as a lesson to those inclined to mix the Old Covenant with the New! F/T was intended to be kept in Jerusalem, accompanied by massive animal sacrifices. There is no temple, there are no Levitical Priests, and obviously no sacrifices. Trying to keep the feast in secular auditoriums officiated over by your Armstrongite minister (who picks and chooses) instead of the priests, is like Uzzah (II Sam. 6:1-15) doing his own human thinking and reaching out to keep the ark from falling! God doesn’t want people taking their own initiative and making presumptuous decisions even to protect or preserve His holy things! We were taught that keeping the sabbath and holy days were the key to having God reveal the meaning of end time prophecy to us. Obviously something in that equation has gone terribly wrong!

    BB

  • freeatlast says:

    take a look at bottom of this page – it shows IRMA going right up towards Ron and Laura!
    https://www.cyclocane.com/irma-storm-tracker/

  • Randy says:

    Can somebody post where Ron said for his sheep to have no more kids ,because Adria is having a baby !

  • Excogger says:

    Congratulations, Audra! Hope all goes well with the pregnancy and in the future with your family. And don’t be concerned about the future as imagined by your dad – it just isn’t going to happen when and how he says.

  • FedUp says:

    Audra is pregnant?! Can’t wait to hear the spin on that! Will Ron condemn her for defying the advice of the Two Witnesses? Will she be publicly chastised?

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Feel sorry for Audra. How is she going to explain to the child when it is older….Grandpa was in prison for taking others money, I helped. I divorced someone else cause they didn’t believe my daddy. Don’t tell Grandma unless you want everyone to know. I didn’t really believe my dad, but I wanted the free money. Boy could we come up with lots of good ones.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Maybe Audra and hubby left and that was some of the problems he doesn’t want to get out.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    What we have here is 1/2 of the 3rd generation of the Two Witnesses on the way.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Mike LOL!! 😀

    GIF, I was thinking the EXACT same thing! After all, why would someone go and get pregnant NOW! Dontcha know that the world’s supposed to end on June 9, 2019??

    I guess she DID get that memo, and might have said to herself…..”Hey! I’m FORTY years old and I have no kids yet! This isn’t working, and I’m outta here and going to have myself a BABY!” Good for her if that indeed happened!!

    Randy, I do remember a sermon where Ron says it’s no big deal to NOT have any kids. I just don’t remember when it was or what the sermon was called. I do remember hearing a feast sermon where Ron talked about how there will be “lots and lots and lots and lots” of children that will be resurrected, thus that might have been his reasoning about why folks shouldn’t be getting pregnant at this time.

    Seems as though for someone close to him (Audra) she’s calling his bluff, and saying PHOOEY on that, and she also hears that biological clock ticking ever so loudly!

    I can only congratulate her and like GIF said, lets hope she’s able to shield this child from the sheer nonsense which are its grandparents. 😉

  • martin says:

    I take it that Audra still believes her dad is one of the TWs?? Or did she quit the church?

    From the look of it, Audra just does what she damn well pleases. Gets married, gets divorced, gets pregnant.

    She was ordained a prophet (LOL). What the hell has she done? Has she prophesied anything? Cast any plagues? Breathed fire?

    Revelation only mentions TWO PROPHETS, what is this ridiculous horse manure of more prophets? Nowhere does it mention a third prophet or any more prophets (I forget, was Jeremy ordained a prophet?).

  • freeatlast says:

    it will be interesting to see if false prophet Ronnie says anything about alternative plans for feast if Orlando damaged by IRMA. might be too late for them to arrange anything else.

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    I will be posting now under this name instead of freeatlast

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I’m gonna stir up the pot here. With all the chaos that’s been going on with these storms particularly with Irma about to totally pummel Florida, where’s Ron??

    I mean, a prophet is supposed to warn people of impending disasters and he didn’t see this coming?? Two of the most powerful storms in many years to hit the US back to back and what we hear are crickets. OH! Lets not forget the super mega earthquake in Mexico the last couple days——–and Ron was silent on that!

    Good Grief! You have a blog, you have a YouTube channel, you have a shrill wife that seems to know everything, and NEITHER of you could say a word? Hmmm…………

    (Of course, the above is sheer sarcasm and may not be suitable for general audiences of PKG.)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Another thought…………I’m curious to know if Audra plans to have her baby in Europe, or will she come back to the States to have it? Is Audra still a US citizen, or did she give that up when she married Edwin and now lives in Europe?

    I also have to wonder if Ron’s recent sermons on raising kids is sort of backhanded message to Audra in what kind of parents she and Edwin should be. Ron should be the last person to tell someone else how to raise their child after being an ex felon.

    Give us a break!

    Just thinking out loud here on a cool, sunny day here in the Mid Atlantic US! 😉

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmm, So Audra is with child. Well I wonder how that will play out. It might be difficult to manage the “no where to be seen” tribulation when you are pregnant or in the process of nursing a newborn. This should tell you something about wacko weinland!! Every grandparents I know are jubilant in pronouncing the arrival of a grand child!!!!! What the hell is WRONG with wacky weinland and the gossip queen!!?? SOMETHING REALLY SMELLS HERE!!!!

    FNM you are right on cue regarding wacky weinland. WHERE THE HELL IS HE!!?? What has happened to his LOUD ARROGANT MOUTH!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM,

    Maybe Edwin is becoming a problem? Wacko weinland is notorious for putting a wedge between a husband and wife. He is famous for this!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, well as I commented before, Audra I’m sure knows that what her Dad is saying is full of BS and then some. She’s not dumb enough to realize that at age 40, she’s only got a limited time to have a baby lest the clock run out on her. BTW, I know how old she is because one time years ago, she and I were talking and she mentioned her age. I joked and told her that I was soon to get out of high school back when she came along! 😀

    Who knows, as others have said, she and Edwin might have flown the coup and that’s why Ron’s having all this “trouble”. I have to notice too that you hadn’t seen them mentioned recently when it came to visiting areas whether it be here or abroad. We wouldn’t know now since Ron’s stopped posting where he and Laura will be. I’m quite certain that’s he’s emailing those in PKG (Elders), and then those that can make it would come if they like.

    I don’t tune into his sermons ‘cept for a quick second or two, but has anyone noticed if he still announces where he is before he starts the sermon? That was standard fare for Ron for quite some time, but I’m curious if he’s still doing that now in light of the non posting of his upcoming trips.

    Let’s keeping popping that popcorn……….more drama to come!

  • Prickly Pear says:

    Fulfillment to Ron’s warnings and prophecies have been nonexistent. For all the “good” they’ve done, he might as well have just been reciting limericks. Like, There once was a man in Peru, who loved to sleep in his canoe. While dreaming of Venus………..

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    FNM – I agree where are the comments about things going on in the world? No, he does not say where he is but I feel certain it is in Cinci. Today he said he wasn’t worried one way or the other about the storm – still planning to go to Orlando unless that was all a ruse to throw us all off = maybe the feast is elsewhere? he is acting very unRON like! not to be confused with enron!

    when is a door not a door?

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    when it is ajar !

  • Excogger says:

    Maybe it’s a jamb jar?

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, no doubt about that! Just ask Chris Little about “wedges” between him and Audra. 🙁

    Freeatlast, if I were in Orlando, I’d be more worried about tornadoes than the hurricane. They’re on the east side of the storm, and that’s where the most dangerous part of the storm can be next to being right on the periphery of the eyewall.

    And yet, those crickets keep on a-chirpin as far as any forewarning was concerned…..

  • martin says:

    Who was the younger speaker? That left Pkg a couple of years ago?

    I forgot his name, I wonder what happened with him?

    What ticks me off is when these people leave, presumably they believe Ron is a false prophet now, why don’t they say anything? Try and help pull others out of the ditch?

  • Fooled no More says:

    Martin, are you speaking of Terry Wrozek? Yeah, he was seeing through Ron’s lies, and he had his fill. ESPECIALLY after what was brought up in the trial.

  • martin says:

    Yeah, him..

    I wish these guys would speak out against Ron.

    I wonder if they are afraid of him??? Why don’t they speak up???

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    hey whiney weiny ronnie – waz up? go somewhere you can’t come back from you, will you?

  • Byker Bob says:

    I’m thinking it might be relatively easy for lay members to simply splinter-surf to another Armstrong church. But, imagine how difficult it would be for an elder to do that same thing. A minister who was educated at Ambassador College is often able to have his credentials reviewed and recertified when switching amongst some of the major splinters. As I understand it, Weinland’s elders all became elders during their tenure at PKG. Does anyone know of any ministers who left Weinland’s group successfully transferring and getting recertified at another splinter, remaining in the ministry?

    BB

  • Lynndee says:

    Maybe Terry signed a non-disclosure agreement.

  • Ronco says:

    “Why don’t they speak up???”

    Might just be a case of embarrassment for getting sucked into Ron’s foolishness up in the first place.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ronco, I have to agree with you! I was just talking recently with someone who’s also out of PKG, and we were wondering why there aren’t more folks that keep in touch even though we’re quite sure more have left.

    We figured that the embarrassment might be too much for them to take, and they’re ashamed that they were so duped. Me? I’ll let folks know in a hot second that I was duped as it gives me a chance to warn others about not getting suckered in to such groups……..even those that have nothing to do with PKG.

    I wouldn’t chastise them at all for getting out of such things (or being fooled in the first place), and in fact, I’d CONGRATULATE them on getting the courage to say “I’VE HAD ENOUGH” and leave such folks far behind.

    The insidious thing about such “leaders” in COG’s such as PKG is that for all intents and purposes, they appear to be VERY innocent and well meaning on the outside. It’s not till your sucked in, and you then become aware (hopefully) how rotten things really are on the inside.

    I’d sure like to hope that within the next year and a half, this falseness which is June 9, 2019 would be the final nail in the coffin for Ron and Laura’s truly evil misleading of people. But Ron’s clever enough to dupe the ones that are too numb minded to believe otherwise, and he’ll still have some that will stay regardless.

    If there’s any silver lining to all of this…………he’s not duping any new ones into this rubbish! 😉

    BB, that’s a good question you raise. There was talk here on this blog about perhaps Johnny or Wayne doing what you described. We can all see that no, that didn’t happen and I thought there was some whisperings a while back about some sort of separate address, or maybe a P.O. box set up in Georgia for sending things to Johnny instead of Ron. Now that I think of it, this was going on while Ron was in prison, so all of that might have been quashed when he got out.

    I don’t know if there was some sort of coup that was being arranged, or that could have all been just rumors.

  • martin says:

    Aside from embarrassment, I would think being angry at the false prophet would also be normal.

    And that would encourage them to speak out.

    Too bad, most don’t, it’s a terrible, terrible shame. Being taken by a false prophet is bad enough, but I would think that not saying anything would be worse, you’re letting them get away with the slaughter of the flock of God.

    It’s like a house on fire, you run out, but don’t yell at others to get out as well??? That’s horrible. I wish more of the “upper tier” members that decided to leave would speak out against Ron. God commands His people to NOT BE AFRAID of FALSE PROPHETS.

  • Moved on says:

    Martin
    Most that left did try to talk to members but unless your mind is open you will not except anything being said. Most still there know what is really going on but like the power they have or don’t want to bother proving it wrong. For you to judge those that have left by trying to make them feel bad is wrong and is a type of bullying. Most that have left are getting on with their lives and are happy. Why make them keep reliving what they went through by dragging up the past.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Moved on,

    You are correct. I am a former member and been posting here about three years. My target is weinland because I know he read this site and I enjoy making him misable. I have already turned several who were curious about him away and I enjoy joyed that.

    As far as current members I do not waste my time with them. If they want my opinion they know how to find me. As I have stated, weinland is my target and where ever I can hurt him that is what I do!

  • Ronco says:

    Hi Ron!

    Got any travel plans?

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    Hey false prophet

    still going to Orlando first week of October?

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    if whiney weiny false prophet ronnie had the money I would think they would be in the Netherlands close to Audra and Jeremy

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have a question for you wacky weinland. Do you have a disaster fund for your followers? I know of some who are now home less. What are you going to do about this? You had no problem taking money from them.

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    ronnie – how can you ask your hoodwinked followers to go to Orlando with the conditions there? you are a real fraud

  • Fooled No More says:

    To Moved on:

    I’ve pretty much given up at this point to try and convince those that are still in PKG to leave. I realized actually some time ago, that each of them individually is going to have to hit some kind of rock hard bottom.

    That will vary of course from person to person, but it happened to me when my physical health was getting too much to take, and my finances were literally at the breaking point. I had to ask myself is going through all this trouble REALLY worth it, and then to add insult to injury, I was not seeing things happen in the world as Ron said it would happen. Not just one time on May 27, 2012, but other times when Ron mentioned about certain events, and not so much as a whimper occurred.

    I finally had enough, and one fine Sunday morning on March 8, 2015, I wrote a very polite but pointed letter to the powers that be that I no longer wanted to be part of the church.

    I had hit my rock bottom.

    My only hope and focus now is that Ron will be exposed to those that still have “eyes” to see that he and Laura ARE total frauds, and that they’ve been played for fools for quite a long time. If those that left would like to reach out to me, I’m all ears as I’ve really come to see how subtle yet dangerous these cults truly are.

    However, I won’t lose any sleep if I don’t hear from anyone of ’em again. They’re making their choice to stay for whatever reasons, just like I made a choice to leave and no longer deal with the BS.

  • martin says:

    If any PKG members suffered loss because of hurricane Irma, then Ron would tell them it’s their fault for not having any home insurance to cover it.

    Basically Ron is an evil unsympathetic man.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    I already know that wacko weinland IS NOT going to give any money to those who have suffered losses in Florida and Texas. Weinland is a selfish greedy parasite that lives off of others money. He spends it on himself and WILL NOT give to the followers he steals from even when they have suffered in these recent storms of Harvey and Irma!!!!

    I truly despise this jerk weinland!!! I soooo look forward to his “Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019”!!!! I want to see him suffer for all of his lies and deceit and end up penniless!!!! I look for true justice and I know it will come and it is coming very soon.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    well well well, wacko weinland has finally ended his series on “marriage” and is now starting one on “cultivating children’!!! As mentioned, it was stated that audra is pregnant with her first child. It was speculated that there might some friction between audra and her wacky father.

    So is wacko weinland trying to influence or trying to dominate his daughter adult life once again? There may be some truth to the idea that her husband may be questioning weinland and is moving away from him. If this is true, then, there is some real trouble ahead for audra and her husband!! A divided household will fail and the tragedy is the effect it will have on the arriving child. Custody battles are ugly!! That child will be an european citizen and that will prevail in their courts!!!! Will you now destroy your daughter’s second marriage like you have done to so many others wacko weinland!!??

    This could be big trouble for wacko weinland and now he has to work his evil to remain in control. I do not think you will win this one wacko weinland. Your current son in law could prove to be more than you can handle especially “if” he now sees you for what you really are – a lying thief!!!!! Audra may choose her husband and the father of her child over you!!! I hope she does and dumps you as well!!!!

  • martin says:

    Priceless

  • Excogger says:

    I read the transcript for “Cultivating Children” and it has VERY LITTLE to do with children or their “cultivating”. It has everything to do with Ron’s “Government of God” and obedience to the teaching of tithing. And not to forget to teach the little ones to tithe their allowances or any other income: it’s God’s money, don’t you know.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What a jerk!!!! All he cares about is his bottom line!!!! Even to the point of robbing children!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, when my place got flooded back in 2011 from tropical storm Lee, there were crickets chirping from the church. Save for a couple of very nice members of the church, Ron nor any other of the higher ups had nothing to say to those of us that had damage from that storm then.

    To add insult to injury, this was right before the Feast in Florida (the flood happened September 8, 2011), and I ended up having to sell a very rare item of mine to come up with enough money to get to the Feast. I’ve recently since rebought that item since I no longer am sending money to PKG thankfully as a “stick it up their a**” gesture to show that I didn’t need or want their “sympathy”.

    So I can best believe that not a single dime went to those that suffered damage to their homes, and this wouldn’t be the first time that the church has acted selfish to those that suffered losses. Back around 2010 or so there was a family that was literally burned out of their home practically losing everything. While I’m not certain of all the small details, I do know that there was help requested by this family to the church to get back on their feet.

    Well the church was silent for the most part in getting help to them, which led to them leaving the church, and the story was told to us that the husband had wrote Ron a quite nasty letter. At the time, I thought “wow this guy must be suffering spiritually to write such a thing”, but in reality looking back, he was probably ripping Ron a new one as these folks had IIRC, FIVE children to take care of and a burned out home to boot.

    So, it doesn’t surprise me at all that Ron and company could give a rat’s rear end about what happens tragically to those in the church. I could tell other stories about even more terrible things that happened, but that might give away the identities of some that may know the persons involved, and that wouldn’t be good.

    Hmmm…………who knows, I might write a book about PKG someday. Could be a good seller! 😀

    EIE, I woudn’t be the least surprised if Audra and Ron are having trouble. We’re talking about a soon to be new mother, and if she’s smart, she’ll choose her child and husband over Ron. Neither of them (Audra and Edwin) are spring chickens as far as starting a family, and the last thing they want is a meddling old fool who can’t get anything right to break up their marriage. At least I HOPE that’s the case!

    As you said, Audra needs to look no further than what happened in the last marriage, and I can best believe that Ron and Laura had a lot to do with that breaking up too as you mentioned.

    Time will tell!

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I got nosy and took a peek at what he had to say about tithing…..get a load of this gem!

    That’s why some who aren’t tithing right now, l wish you would just leave. Some of you who are
    lying and cheating, which l know you are, in your tithing. I wish you’d just leave. I am not
    concerned about numbers, nor am l concerned about the amount of money. That doesn’t matter.

    Careful what you wish for Ron lest you might get it! 😉

  • Byker Bob says:

    In Ron’s mind, the people who aren’t tithing are a negative, individuals who are using the resources of PKG, but not putting anything back into the system. He doesn’t make allowance for the possibility that, if allowed to hang in there, they might change their opinion at some point and begin tithing anew. In his mind, although still attending, they have left, they might infect others, and he as a shepherd does not care what might befall them from this point on. He’s not really a big picture person as related to his sheep. All he sees is the state of his life’s “work” and his empire. Considering all that he’s done to himself, and all that has happened, that’s got to be deflating and defeating at this point. I tend to doubt that he has paid into the Social Security system, so the continuing quality of his lifestyle and his livelihood are soley based upon the financial condition of his so-called ministry. These people have cultivated a very temporary lifestyle, counting on the end kicking in before they become decrepit and no longer having any earning power. As the ad goes in the retirement investment industry, “Help us make sure that you don’t run out of money before you run out of time!”

    BB

  • martin says:

    What I like about Ron is how he constantly is shooting himself in the foot with a 12 gauge shotgun.

    He wants tithers, but he’s constantly pushing people out for not tithing on the mint and cumin, so to speak…so instead of being patient and working with them, he shoots them down then shoots himself in the foot to boot.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… that’s why some who aren’t tithing right now, l wish you would just leave. Some of you who are
    lying and cheating, which l know you are, in your tithing. I wish you’d just leave. I am not
    concerned about numbers, nor am l concerned about the amount of money. That doesn’t matter …” Wacko Weinland ~ Cultivating Children Pt 1

    Let’s take a look at this quote and look at what it actually means:

    1) “I wish you would just leave”,,”I wish you’d just leave”. What is this wacko weinland!? I thought you were this rough and tough prophet that had no fear of anything!! Why are you so afraid to disfellowship these cheaters who are only following your example of cheating and lying to the federal government?? Could it be that your membership is getting so small that you find it embarrassing since you claimed that 63 thousand members of wwcog would come flocking to your organization – well they did not and will not!!

    I find it very out of character for you to allow these enlightened cheaters to remain in your organization? We both know by doing so that they will eventually affect others to do the same or are they calling your bluff to do something about? Are you so terrified to confront them because you have no evidence of it so now you just “wish” them away? This is not like you to allow this because I remember as a former elder that when a member was not tithing properly that I had strict orders to get this member to obey or kick them out. Why the change in policy wacky weinland!? Could it be that these enlightened cheater are elders within your organization and to expel them would be detrimental to your ego and what is left of your organization? You are in trouble and you know it because YOUR Great Disappointment of June 9, 2019 is breathing down your neck and you now realize that your end is near. It appears to me that the membership is losing confidence in you and you do not know what to do about it. All you can do now is just “wish” them away!!! Some prophet you are wacky weinland. Like Deut 18:22 states “have no fear of him”!! Well wacky weinland welcome to reality because it is time for you to pay yours dues for all the lies and deceit and harm you have done to others!!

    2) “nor am I concerned about the amount of money” Really weinland!!! How many time have we heard this one!!! If it didn’t matter then why discuss it at all!!! The real reason is that it “does” matter to you!!! Your lies are very transparent now and it is very easy to see through your motives. Come on now!! Your recent sermon is about taking tithes from children!!! And you tell us it doesn’t matter!!! It it by your own mouth that condemns you wacky weinland!!!

    3) “lying and cheating” Now this is a good one wacky weinland!! Who was it that was convicted of five counts of tax evasion served time in a federal prison and now has the title of “felon”? It is YOU wacky weinland!!! YOU are the lying cheat and you dare to call others the same!!! It doesn’t a scientist to understand why you are being disrespected now by the membership!! YOU, a lying thief, is now calling others the same!!! Not going to work in the real world wacky weinland. My Oh My how does your fruit stink and tastes very very disgusting.

    In closing, wacky weinland it is YOU that is the lying cheat and no one else. Even to the point now to target children for their money and you call yourself righteous!! Maybe you need to get a life wacky weinland!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Here’s what I’d like to see:

    Ron knows full well who is not tithing, and if he wanted he could get them all together for a meeting and find out WHY they’re not tithing. Of course he won’t do that because it could very well be that they would tell him to his face that he and Laura are frauds, and they’re simply voting with their wallets.

    Tough thing for them to leave though for some of them………that would mean the end of friendships that some have had for many years if not decades. I say life is too short to go on believing in a lie, and getting all the more poorer to boot.

    I’d sure love to be the fly on the wall if such a meeting ever took place. In fact, this meeting could be super easy…….he could arrange it at the upcoming feast next month. More than likely many who aren’t tithing will be there——you could round them all up at once!

    Of course, this’ll never happen. Ron’s too chicken to confront what’s very obvious to everyone. Could it be…….just maybe perhaps, that a lot of them are reading the very words of this blog, and it’s just a matter of time before there’s an all out mutiny??

    Hmmm……………we’ll see!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    I believe they are.

    We are still here and there are former members who post here. These two frauds could not even shut down this site. They tried but failed!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    I have to agree with you about weinland not meeting with the enlightened cheaters. He can’t risk a walkout and that probably would happen. It seems that the fearsome prophet has lost his influence. If these are elders then this places weinland in a very difficult position. If they walk, then you can only imagine the overall effect on the remaining membership. I have seen this many times over when it comes to these one man shows. They implode because the leaders can no longer defend the lies and deceit!!!

    Weinland maybe stupid but there are some things he isn’t like protecting his source of income – the membership!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, my time with COG-PKG was somewhat limited considering others who’ve been in a LOT longer, but I was told stories about how certain areas were literally wiped clean of members after the “big shakeup of 1994″ particularly from WWCOG.

    Without giving away my exact location, I was told that my area was THE BIGGEST as far as numbers in WWCOG. You’d never know that now as I and one other person were the only ones associated with PKG in this town. That other person left about a year before I did and as they say…………”Then there were none”. The next closest persons were just over 50 miles away, and they were associate elders. They’ve since been given the boot as far as elder positions, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they’ve since waved goodbye to PKG…….especially the husband.

    Unfortunately as I’ve mentioned before, there are others I’m sure that have since left, but the embarrassment of being wrong about the church and Ron, they’re not quite ready to own up to it.

    If in fact, these are Elders that are among those that aren’t tithing, we won’t have to wait till June 9, 2019 to see PKG come to its end. When word starts getting around about “such and such” and “such and such” not paying tithes, people will start to ask questions among themselves as to why. Once that dam begins to break, no amount of patching will stop the eventual flood.

    I may have to get a bit nosy again and drop a line to someone that I know was having difficulties in paying tithes not long after I directed him to this blog. The last time I wrote to him he was still with PKG, but that’s been at least over a year now. Things might have changed, and I might write him again to give him that little “nudge” to see what’s been going on.

    He did say the last time I wrote him that he didn’t feel “comfortable” writing back to me as he has to either obey the church and not contact me, or disobey what they say about that and thus I suppose “disobey” God.

    I’ll have to see if things have changed in that regard……… 😉

  • Randy says:

    The asshole and gossip bitch
    Need money for Grandbaby send your tights or God will get you like he did the asshole through you in Fedral prison
    Heart attacks
    Don’t worry if you don’t have enough for your self and family the asshole family is first !

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    FNM – can you get nosy and check to see status at hotel in Orlando – are they still on? I wonder

  • Randy says:

    Yes freeatlast !
    Ron needs more $1600 suits and Los Vages trips, massages , cruises BMW’s and you are all broke come on open your eyes !!! Take care of your family first pkg money whore LaurA will spend it all !!

  • Fooled no More says:

    You’d think with 628 days remaining, there’d be more of an outreach from Ron to the world but no—–there’s the sound of crickets chirping.

    Oh and Ron……you missed another one! I’ve been talking to folks I know in Puerto Rico, and they are bracing to be DEVASTATED by Hurricane Maria! Where was the warning for those folks huh??

    Oh wait……they’re not part of the church so I guess they don’t matter……..

  • freeatlast-TGA says:

    and now Mexico City quake – where was the warning oh profit ronnie!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Armstrongite “prophets” are completely useless, except for telling us the wrong dates they guessed for the Germans, the Catholics, and the tribulation to hit. That and peoples’ tithes are their obsession. Meanwhile, if they were for real, they could make themselves useful by warning us in advance of natural disasters or acts of terrorism.

    BB

  • Fooled No More says:

    Brace yourselves everyone! If you had plans for this Saturday, well you might want to think twice!

    You can check out the horrifying news here! 😉

    Ain’t there someone else we know that deals with “numbers” in determining when things are to take place??

    Hmmm………….

  • Byker Bob says:

    Well, isn’t tomorrow the day that people are supposed to go over to Hannah’s for some roast hash?

    BB

  • Eric says:

    Ron has a short memory but we don’t. Here is a perfect example of him making a promise and not keeping it. ‘Not to long ago (17 June) Ron promised his members –

    To this day there are people still stealing from God! And I think, “What are you doing? You think I’m ignorant? Do you think I’m stupid as God’s apostle?” Your time is running out. You’ve got just a few weeks left and you’re gone – all of you –

    yup they are gone from PKG – another magnificent promise from the greatest prophet of all time. Lets fast forward to now

    That’s why some who aren’t tithing right now, l wish you would just leave. Some of you who are lying and cheating, which l know you are, in your tithing. I wish you’d just leave.

    Did he do anything about the people not tithing as he said? No! Did her remove any from membership? Did he disfellowship any? No! was he true to his word? No! he just wishes they would just go away. He wants them to do something because he certainly can’t

    PKG members, don’t worry about being removed from the Church. As you have seen he is not going to do it. He needs to have people look at him with adoring eyes, to look at him as if he is the next thing to god. His personality needs it. Even if you are not feeding him tithing you are feeding his ego. You are on safe grounds. After having a 5 course mean he is left with a little piece of crumbling cake in his hand and he is too scared to pick at it because there will be nothing left.

  • Eric says:

    Typo, I meant “5 course meal”

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Eric:

    I have to agree with you.

    Wacky weinland apparently is at or fast approaching the “unsustainable” level of revenue. He can’t disfellowship these enlightened members who have reduce their percentage to feed his life style. The only thing that wacko weinland has left is to try to “shame” these enlightened ones to give more of their money!!! Typical behavior of a cult leader even to the point of demanding tithes from children! What a JERK!!!!

    I am still of the opinion that these enlightened ones are elders and associate elders. Knowing that if the cheater is a nobody in the membership he/she would have been sent packing. However “if” they are elders that is a whole different story!!!

    It will be interesting to see how this will develop.

  • martin says:

    I can’t wait to see Ron working at Burger King or someplace….

    WORSE than Ronald Weinland, and he’s bad enough, is his lazy gossipy wife. She is a leech of epic proportions. I wonder if she’s ever worked an honest job a day in her life??

    She think she qualifies as a biblical figure????

    As one of the Two Witnesses???????????

    That is supremely laughable.

    She is not even worthy to tie the prophet Daniel’s shoes, much less Jesus himself.

  • martin says:

    When it came for their time to die (as per Rev. 11), Laura CHICKENED out. Ron CHICKENED out. They were supposed to go to Jerusalem to DIE, and become martyrs. They both opted out of it. I think they did go to Jerusalem, but don’t remember off hand.

    Then Ron has the audacity to say they DID DIE….SPIRITUALLY…..

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH

    You can’t make up such blaspheming nonsense.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, I have to agree with what you said! Look at the relatively few numbers that are going to the Feast. Speaking of the Feast, I hadn’t called but the hotel site is still operational with them taking reservations, so I have to take it that there wasn’t too much damage, and that things are still on.

    But getting back to this tithe business, yeah………….Ron’s coffers have run on empty and now he’s desperate. I can best believe that there are whisperings among the Elders that they are in fact holding back from Ron because he’s NOT producing anything close to what supposed to be happening.

    Before you know it, we’ll be saying “HAPPY NEW YEAR 2018”!, and not as much as a whimper according to what Ron said is supposed to be happening even now.

    Eric had it right…………….if Ron REALLY wanted to get rid of someone who wasn’t tithing, he’d have done it by now. High position in the church notwithstanding. This can only lead to more and more people “holding back” because for sure, they can find out who’s not tithing (you know how PKG can gossip), and they can see that nothing’s happening to them so why should they part with their hard earned cash??

    The children ploy’s not going to work for this reason………people are starting to see what frauds Ron and Laura are. There’s no way they’re going to teach their kids to give money to someone that lies to them. That would be the ultimate form of hypocrisy. Someone’s in front of you every Saturday how you should do this or that, but this person was thrown in jail for the very thing that he’s cautioning against……………………holding back from God ie: the government in his case.

    This is getting more interesting by the month! How long will it be before someone with some real guts comes on here and gives us the real skinny on what’s going on with COG-PKG??