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  • martin says:

    I have not seen Johnny Harrell before, but he’s giving the latest sermon on youtube…..

    If you need help falling asleep, I recommend watching it.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    Weinald, Johnny, and Wayne are all “nothingburgers”

    How come we do not hear weinland spouting off at the mouth about “all” of his old time predictions from 2008?? Thunders, death of all the cog’s leadership, 63k flocking to his cult, haven’t heard a word, have you?

    Is nothingburger weinland telling all his members to store up food, cancel all insurance polices, IRA retirements, and to charge on your credit cards to their limits?? He did all of this leading up to the grand failure of May 2012!!! Then, why is his current failed prediction of June 2019 different? Can anyone explain this to me????

    Not very consistence there weinland!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    WEINLAND YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER!!!!

    When I was part of your cult, I never really believed your false doctrine about Christ’s divinity. You teach the he did not exist prior to his birth. Well Proverbs 8:22-36 proves you are a liar and a false teacher!!!!

    I read it from the “septuagint” Greek/English edition and it proves, very clearly, YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER!!!! I knew it all along but didn’t know where to prove you WRONG!!! I GOT IT NOW AND I CHALLENGE YOU ON IT!!!!

    You really can’t believe you are a prophet!!? You teach lies and falsehoods!!!! You really disgust me weinland!!!!!

    You need to fear this weinland, its prove what you are, a proven lying false teacher and self declared prophet!!!!

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    I just want to thank Mike for having this blog where we can all meet and chat! Thank you!

    I really just check here to see if that old blowhard Ronnie is a goner yet. That’s really all. He repeats the same old crap. Reminds me of the Monty Python “Dead Parrot” skit…He’s dead in the head and all he does is Repeat, Repeat, Repeat…

    Fade away already. I hope he suffers and is hungry on a daily basis before that happens….

  • martin says:

    If Christ did not exist before the NT, pray tell, explain this verse

    Referring to the Israelites constant testing of God’s patience…

    (1Co 10:9) Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

    If Christ did not exist, how could the Israelites have tempted him?

  • Ronco says:

    The pre-existence of Christ is one of few positions held by nearly ALL of Christendom throughout the centuries; I think Ron cooked up his teaching as a litmus test for loyalty- reminds me of Trump pressuring Comey for a declaration of loyalty.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ronco,

    You are absolutely correct!!

    Nothingburger weinland used that as a gateway into his cult. It was aimed at former wwcog members. In other words, you had to deny Herbert Armstrong’s teaching of the divinity of Christ and accept weinland version without question or you would not be allowed into his cult.

    When it comes to “newbies” they only thing they understand is the falsehoods that weinland plants into their minds – they do not know any better. Upppph, they believe weinland is a prophet – REALLY FOLKS!!??

  • martin says:

    When I read Ron’s explanation on the non pre-existence of Christ…

    I had thought I had mis-read the explanation, as the theory that Christ was not divine and did not pre-exist, was so ludicrous that nobody would teach such a doctrine, or believe it, as the proofs against it are overwhelming.

    And yet Ron got people to believe it. It’s like taking candy from a baby.

    If I knew it was so easy to swindle people, maybe I should have gone into the “business”.

    I remember a news story, where a preacher had 666 tattooed onto himself, and called himself an anti-Christ, and yet claimed he was a true prophet (I forget the stupid logic he came up for that), this guy actually had a church and members who believed in him.

    It’s outstanding! How people look for the first obvious false prophet, who have “false prophet” tattooed to their forehead, and RUN to him, and then RUN off the cliff with him to their doom.

  • martin says:

    EiE, I don’t remember, I know that now, you understand the Unitarian doctrine is a heresy, but when you first read it in Ron’s book, what did you think?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    That is a good and fair question. I have no answer for this except I simply did not respond to it.

    I look back now and I cannot believe how damn stupid I was!!! I KNOW BETTER THAN THIS!!!!

    The only thing I will give nothingburger weinland credit for is this, “he is one hell of a salesman”!!! Until you realize that, this is all he is, a salesman!!

    The good news is that I am far wiser now than I was then. I stand on “what I know” and “what I believe” and I do not give a damn what someone like weinland has to sell. As a matter of fact, I would welcome a face to face encounter with weinland!! He knows and I know he would NOT stand a chance against me ever again!! weinland is a liar and he lacks the courage to face any opposition that would challenge him and/or embarrass him in public and/or in front of his remaining worshipers (they worship weinland not God). If they truly understood what God teaches they would have left long ago!!!

    Ask yourself this question, where the hell is he?? All of his boisterous claims about God’s only chosen one and how the world will tremble at his feet, well, where the hell are you nothingburger weinland!!??

  • Fooled No More says:

    Interesting that back in ’08-’09, Ron was giving radio interviews left and right. I’m sure they’re still posted somewhere. Now, as you said EIE———-dead silence. No interviews, no plans for interviews I’m sure as there would be a thousand and one questions from the host as to WHY he missed the mark so badly.

    He doesn’t want to come near that one for sure!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    If I remember correctly, didn’t weinland make the statement, after getting out prison, that he would go boldly into the world and do his job no matter what the criticisms would be and that he knew it would be all about his failed predictions and prison sentence. I seem to remember this, do you?

    If this is the case, then, where is he??

    If this is so, where are the other pseudo prophets, evangelists, pastors, senior elders, and whatever? Isn’t it their duty to warn the world about the coming destruction? That is what I have always understood.

    Apparently weinland is not what he claims to be, any arguments out there?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Apparently, the diminishing income is more important than warning the world!!

  • martin says:

    The bible definition of an anti-Christ is one who denies Christ.

    If denying Christ’s divinity is not a denial of Christ then I don’t know what is.

    Thus by the bible definition, Ronald Weinland is an anti-Christ.

  • Fooled No More says:

    You’re right EIE! It was also said by Johnny as such not long before he got out of prison. I certainly haven’t seen all this “warning” by Ron……….except among his current followers no doubt.

    And yes, the cash cows are slowly but surely dehydrating!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It stands to reason that weinland does not have any confidence in his June 2019 prediction of Christ’s return.

    IF he did, weinland would be out there warning the world. Anyone who has confidence in what they are doing will do so. So, it is reasonable to take the position that weinland is already aware that his 2019 prediction is false and will not happen because of his lack of confidence and passion in his prediction.

    So now, it is time to figure a new angle on this failure. We await the next timeline to extend it another 3.5 years. It is easy to predict his next move because he is a consistence liar.

  • martin says:

    “IF he did, weinland would be out there warning the world. Anyone who has confidence in what they are doing will do so.”

    Exactly….

    It’s too bad most PKGers can’t think this through and see this.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Here is what we can expect from weinland:

    1) calls for fasting for his cult (ask God for growth) this is only needed to increase weinland’s income.

    2) fast for the return of the former members of wwcog. (for his credibility only).

    3) fast for God to empower him and his wife (this was supposedly done in Nov of 2015) not to mention the other claims of empowerment that failed.

    4) fast so God can give weinland an excuse to claim that June 2019 is not the date. (weinland will claim that God changed his mind again)

    Time is running out for weinland and company. Nothing is happening that he claimed would happen! It is just more lies on his part.

    I am assuming that weinland is keeping a low profile because his credibility is slipping among his worshipers. The continuing revealing of a false claim of being a prophet is becoming a focus for some.

    Look at it this way, for those who are warning their friends and family that Christ is returning and there will be all this destruction and “if” it fails, which it will. How are they going to look to their friends and family? It will only prove that weinland is a liar on several occasions.

    If it were my friend or relative, I would consider doing an intervention to free them from this lying thief.

  • martin says:

    More run of the mill sermons from Ron….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    That is to be expected. However the 2019 pressure will come.

  • Not Going to Brainwash me says:

    I met a guy who told me he was heavy in the church. So eventually, he wanted me to visit. I asked questions, and he gave me a book to read and that the author was the prophet at his church. I researched this so called prophet and boy, I can’t believe the amount of people that believe this man! I told the guy I was dating, point blank: this is a cult! He is only after people’s money. No way I’m setting foot in there. For the people that are still following this man, please wake up! All the evidences are in your face. He is a great talker just don’t feed into it. Work on building a relationship with the most high (God) and stop putting your faith in this human. I eventually couldn’t take dating the guy I met because he was too brainwashed. He didn’t even follow in the steps of the most high. Sinning left and right. But was dedicated to giving his 20% tithes and miles to this man. I pray for you all. Get out and seek the most high yourselves and you’ll find your true home.

  • Fooled No More says:

    NGTBM, I’m glad you didn’t get sucked into this cult! I wish I had been a bit more diligent in doing some research into Weinland and his “church” before I got fully involved in it. The timing of when I joined couldn’t have been more “perfect”——this was 2008, and this country was in the middle of a huge meltdown financially, and his book (2008: God’s Final Witness) seemed to make a lot of sense.

    But wait……….lurking in the background were grumblings of Ron changing dates even back then when he changed his “Christ returning timeline” from Trumpets of 2011, to Pentecost of 2012. This would have been in late June of 2008. Having been new in the church, I didn’t think much of it as it was the first time I had ever heard of someone giving a definite date, and a whole bunch of us believed it.

    Fast forward a few years, and Ron’s trial for tax fraud is on the horizon. With all that was going on with that, and his stern warning for us NOT to look in the news or go on blog sites like this to see what was going on, it kept us in the dark that much more. Along comes the absolute failure of May 27, 2012, and that’s when the SHTF and eyes started to be opened.

    Ron goes off to prison in early ’13 after being convicted, and yet there were still a good number of us that stayed as we “thought” God was just going to open up that lock and set him free come May 19, 2013——-another big failure as Ron had changed dates yet again when the previous one (2012) turned out to be a big nothing.

    I soldiered on, as I had “hope” that things were going to go as Ron said, but in late ’14, I started to have some serious personal issues healthwise, and financially which made me start to take a good hard look at Ron Weinland and the Church of God. I finally threw in the towel on March 8, 2015 when I wrote a letter to the powers that be (I CC’d three letters to three parties) that I no longer wanted to be part of the church as I had enough.

    Enough of the lies, enough of the financial struggles, enough of health issues which were directly related to sending them waaaaaay too much of my money which could have been used to get myself straightened out.

    The point I’m making is this………….your ex is going to have to hit rock bottom before he tells them to go somewhere, and get on with his life. Will the failure of 2019 be it? Will he get tired of the financial strain? Will he get tired of the constant predictions and changes that keep happening over and over and yet nothing happens?

    Time will tell but each one of them will have to hit their super rock bottom low before they make their break.

    A friend who used to be in the church and I were talking a little while back about how their indeed could be a lot of people that we knew that are already gone, but out of their embarrassment, they’re too ashamed to admit they were duped and don’t contact anyone they knew about how they were fooled.

    I’ll tell people in a second that I was duped, but got out when the lies and fallout of such became too much to take.

    Hopefully your ex will come to this conclusion and soon.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, your post gave me a chuckle! ๐Ÿ˜€

    I’ll bet that’s EXACTLY what he does! Endless fasts which lead to nowhere ‘cept a lot more disappointment! Keep sending in that money though, lest God gets mad at you!

  • martin says:

    I like to attack Ronald false prophet Weinland’s terrible bible teaching, because if Ron doesn’t understand the nature of Christ and God, how is it he can be His prophet???

    Ron’s ridiculous Unitarian teaching, that Christ didn’t pre-exist, is a heresy.

    I would like him to explain this verse, where John states that Christ pre-existed his (John’s) own conception, for this to be true, CLEARLY Christ must have pre-existed….

    (Joh 1:15) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

    The CEV translation is probably the best one of this verse.
    (Joh 1:15) John spoke about him and shouted, “This is the one I told you would come! He is greater than I am, because he was alive before I was born.”

    One sign that indicates a false prophet is one who brings “another” God, to the people.
    This is what Ron does when he teaches that Christ did not pre-exist, this is a form of bringing “another” God to the people.

  • martin says:

    It may be surprising to hear this, but it is entirely possible that God actually sent Ron to his people.

    It is stated in both the OT and NT, that God actually can send a false prophet to His people. (Go see Deut. for this)

    First God sends the truth to His people, then what God does is He sometimes sends a false prophet to His people afterwards!!

    He wants to see how many of them are going to be like a pitbull and hold onto the truth, and how many will drop the truth like a cheap hat.

    This is not something I made up, this is actually mentioned in the bible. Most will know the verses I am referring to. Others should do their due duty and look it up.

  • martin says:

    It is embarrassing (and that’s putting it mildly), to see how God’s “true prophet” changes his prophecies on a continual basis, since he is supposed to be God’s mouthpiece, this would make God an incompetent, which is a horrible heresy and insult to God.

    Never once did Moses change ANYTHING.
    Moses told, the time, the place, the people affected, the nature of the plague. How long the plague would last.

    Moses was 100% correct 100% of the time, now that’s a true prophet of God!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    NGTBM:

    I applaud you for your taking the time to investigate weinland. I wish I had done the same thing. I wasted five years of my life listening to this liar and not to mention giving my money for nothing!!! Yep, I contributed to his greedy life style – shame on me –

    Also, I am glad that you ended your relationship with the follower of a cult (cog-pkg). It was the best thing you could do to save your sanity. Good For You!!!!! However I am curious as to why he was dating outside of the cult he belongs to. Hummm there might some internal problems there, because, weinland instructed his cult not to marry or have children. This was just prior to the 2012 failure. I wonder if weinland has gone there again??

    It will be interesting to see what will happen over the next twelve months.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    Thanks and it will be interesting to watch his followers starve themselves for absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!

  • LeftAtLast says:

    Just stopping in to see how my fellow ex members are doing, and to do some thanking that is much overdue.

    Special mention to Mike, Douglas, and Avelokiteshvara because their words helped me the most as I dug myself out of the dark that was pkg. But each one of you contributed to my freedom and growth. There’s just too many to mention you all, so forgive me for naming only a few.
    I think of all of you with gratitude, and hope your families are well and you are all happy. Every one of you had a part in that.

    My children are grown, I am a grandmother, and we’re happy and healthy. I am employed full time with Cardiology doing billing, and giving back for all of my blessings with Veterans of the war in Afghanistan, and people coming out of domestic violence. Also branching out in new areas of schooling because I love learning.

    Sometimes I meet with a few x pkg folks. We’re all thriving.

    I will always remember with gratitude the help and encouragement I received here.
    Someday, it would be so great to fly north and meet Avelokiteshvara and his wonderful wife and family, and just shake their hands.

    They gave me such encouragement and kindness that I could never ever repay. The words said really changed my life, and benefit my children and grandchildren to this day.

    Douglas sent me books that I still consult to this day.

    And Mike walked the path before a lot of us did. He can relate, and kept things in here on an even keel.
    It was a lot of work. Thank you, Mike!

    I’ve moved on with life. Weinland holds no interest to me anymore. He is no longer relevant.
    PKG, same thing, save for the pity I feel for those who stay, and how it has changed them for the worse.

    Thank you all, so much. And should anyone wish to reach me, send an email to thekpr@yahoo.com.

    Sincerely,
    LeftAtLast

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Left At Last:

    Thank you for sharing your disappointing experience with weinland.

    I am thrilled that you have gotten back your own life!! weinland not only steals your money but also your personal life. I share the same hope as you have about the others still enslaved by weinland. But you have to keep in mind that they will no longer have anything to do with you (cult mentality). That is a sad thing but also a good thing. All you can do is to let them know your door is always open to them but that they must come through your door on their own.

    You all the wiser now and it is time to enjoy your life on your terms and no one else!!

    Good luck and you have made my day!!

  • martin says:

    I hope you still believe in God and the bible (not Ron’s version though). And that he didn’t turn you into an atheist.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Left At Last:

    Well, thank you very much! Anything I can do to help free people from HWA and his splinters, I will try. And as for Martin (“… and that he didn’t turn you into an atheist…”)… LOL!

    Atheism is MERELY rejecting faulty evidence for religious claims, and by rejecting Ronald Weinland’s imaginary god everyone here is an atheist according to the COG-PKG! Everyone is also an atheist in comparison to/with Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc. So I have not turned ANYONE here into an atheist… ALL of us here are already atheists! So congratulations on becoming the best kind of “atheist”, a person that rejects at least one imaginary deity… Ronald Weinland’s useless idiot god!

    And if you ever want to explore being 100% atheist, don’t be afraid. It is uplifting and fun, and if you don’t like it you can always just not be an atheist and there is no angry deity that will punish you for it! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • martin says:

    That Ron has turned some members who got burnt by numerous failed prophecies, into atheists is truly sad.

    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    Ron and many others who are also false prophets have fulfilled this verse.

    Take David Koresh, just because this man was an evil deceiver who used bible beliefs for his own ends, didn’t sully the bible itself.

    A lot toss out the baby with the bath water, I don’t know why, they should toss the false prophet out and keep the bible, not toss them both out.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    That is very true!

    NOONE should turn away from religion because one guy was evil. Making an informed religious or spiritual choice is the only path to actual facts/truth. Thus, there are many atheists, agnostics and religious people moving forward for the wrong personal reasons. If Ronald Weinland can “make” a person an atheist or COG member, the real spiritual issue(s) still lie within the person…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How boring is weinalnd?

    He should be on the streets of NYC in his black robe and placard telling the world to prepare for the end!!! And his spawn Zarababble shoudl be right beside him.

    Oh my, when is the entertainment going to begin?

  • Excogger says:

    EIE
    The Great Man (No.3 in the Universe) is far from boring if you are one of the sinning members who are fudging on their tithes.
    In his latest sermon PDF he puts them on notice to repent of “stealing” or they will be booted out some time in the next few weeks.
    Would that ALL the members quit the tithing thing and were sent packing by TGM.
    Now THAT would be entertaining!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger, I think that’s TERRIFIC news that even more are starting to see what a HUGE hoax and scam this fool is, and are “voting” with their wallets, but more importantly with their brains that God gave them!

    Keep it up you rebels in PKG! Bankrupt fully this fraud and his wife, and make them earn a living by WORKING and not off the hard earned cash of the blinded!

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I couldn’t resist……….here’s what this fool had to say regarding “stealing” from God.

    To this day there are people still stealing from God! And I think, “What are you doing? You think I’m ignorant? Do you think I’m stupid as God’s apostle?” Your time is running out. You’ve got just a few weeks left and you’re gone โ€“ all of you โ€“ because there’s more than one. There are too many and if you don’t get it turned around immediately and repent before God it’s sayonara, dos vedanya, auf wiedersehen. And I know you’re only speaking English so it’s goodbye. Sick. In God’s Church we serve God. We seek to obey God in everything we do. There’s no such thing as being able to have adultery in God’s Church. There is no such thing as stealing from God, and on and on it goes. Those things aren’t allowed in God’s Church! We can’t just come the way we are. God says we’re to change. We’re to think differently. If people don’t, and if people want to play games and
    go through the motions, like send in maybe 5% or 3% just to kind of keep in the doorway, just keep the foot in the door a little bit and say, “I’m doing it. I’m doing it.” You lying liar! Stealing from God Almighty! How on earth can anyone of a right mind do such things? That blows my mind! It really does.

    He’s GOT to be kidding! You see Ron, there’s this little problem with you being a convicted CRIMINAL for of all things tax fraud? And who was stealing from who??

    Give us a freakin’ break!

  • martin says:

    Guy needs to get a mirror

  • martin says:

    Tithes are ONLY to be used for preaching the Gospel. It is not to be used to buy panties from Fredriks of Hollywood.

    The biggest thief of all is Ronald Weinland himself, for using tithes to fuel his own lusts for material things, jewelry, paintings, clothing, cars, property. Ron is a thief. As well as being a convicted tax cheat.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “Weโ€™re to think differently. If people donโ€™t, and if people want to play games and go through the motions, like send in maybe 5% or 3%”…says the guy who was jailed for FRAUD for HIDING MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT! LMAO!! Ronald Weinland… the CRIMINAL who hates it when people withhold money from him like HE did with the GOVERNMENT. Looks like the PKG are committing the ultimate sin of denying a fraud the ability to commit more fraud!

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG:

    If you are a member of Ronald Weinland’s fraudulent church and are withholding money, you are actually standing up AGAINST an anti-Christ. So congratulations… every dollar you deny him is a denial of Ronald’s master, Satan himself. Every dollar you keep from Weinland denies his wickedness. And 2019 will be further proof that what your denying him money right now in 2017 is the RIGHT thing to do!

    2019 WILL be a total failure. And you will have kept your money from a lying fraud.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    WOW!!!!! THE RANTINGS OF A LYING THIEF THE KING OF THIEVES WEINLAND!!!!!

    Thank you Ecogger for the posting. It was good news to my ears!

    As it has been mentioned here on this blog, that, if you want to get the lying thief weinland’s attention all you have to do is to quit sending him money and the king of thieves weinland will send his thug elders to break your knuckles with a ball ping hammer!!! However this is nothing but an empty threat from the king of thieves weinland. He is not going to kick them out because he needs whatever amount of money they send in. It will be nothing but threats and intimidation from the lying thief weinland and his thug elders. THIS IS A CULT AND THE BEHAVIOR MATCHES!!!!

    As I consider these hypocritical rantings from the king of thieves weinland it tells me that there are some sever internal problems within the ranks of this thief’s organization. And I relate this to the failure of his phony scheming 2019 prediction. All you have to do is to look back at 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, and now 2019 and you will see the same pattern of failure!! Nothing is happening as the king of thieves has predicted, no empowerment (he has to intimidate the members for money) empowerment? Really!! No bombs falling from the skies, no death of the leaders of the other groups of wwcog and their flocking to the king of thieves organization, no fear of him or his gossip queen wife (where are they), no personal public warnings at all!!

    There are now those within the king of thieves organization that are now aware of this “pattern of failure” and are coming to grips with the lies they have been exposed to. In my opinion, it is more widespread then we realize and it will only be a matter of time when the thugs elders will realize they can no longer cover over the lies of the lying thief weinland and will eventually walk away from this liar wienland themselves!!

    What a day this is!! A thief calling out the ones he is robbing thieves!!! This is nothing more than “raw” hypocrisy!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, sure sounds like desperation to me!

    This sounds similar to 10 years ago, when he made similar “threats”, then when the money started to really roll in—–coinciding with the release of the 2008 book, all of sudden Ron and family had brand new BMW’s and was spending money like there was no tomorrow.

    Thing is like you said……….there are those that are still in PKG that remember when this has happened before, and they’re tired of being taken yet again. Many of them are working stiffs just like everyone else, and they’re tired of throwing good money after bad.

    I know I sure was!!

    Wonder how long it will be before Ron files Chapter 7/11 or whatever the bankruptcy laws are these days. I’ve never heard of a church filing bankruptcy though……….can they do that?? He’s already been convicted of tax fraud—–the government could tell him and Laura they’ll just have to eat it.

    ………….And the days and months are just ticking by without any big KABOOM! Except the implosion of PKG! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • martin says:

    I love how Ron said his numerology nonsense did not have any errors….and Mike was diligent enough to post them all, I also posted my own comments on errors as well as how his calculations were not unique in any sense (one of Ron’s “proofs” that they must have been divinely inspired).

    This is aside from the point that numerology is a form of divination which is strongly condemned in the bible.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, I can’t remember which sermon it was, but it was sometime around the end of 2012 where Ron gave a sermon that had to do with the number 13. Everyone was all abuzz about what this could mean, and had several people I know actively trying to figure this out.

    Ron had dangled a carrot the week before regarding this, and folks were on the edge of their seats wondering what was up.

    Well, that was all about nothing as time has shown, and you’re correct in that Ron’s guilty in a sense of divination, and he dragged others into it trying to decipher what he was going to reveal. Others out there might remember this sermon, and may have had the same thing happen with their members in their congregations.

    How sad………….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    this king of thieves weinland designated the number 13 as satan. And then he multiplied 13 times something to do with Thack Sr death and came up with his failed prediction of 2012.

    I remember this and all the members were mesmerized by this so called new revelation. This is where Martin is right. This king of thieves uses numerology to deceive with. The only problem is that all of these “number games” have failed. For example, this fifty days discovery is to cover his sloppy calculations for 2019. It will be entertaining to see the “new” numbers game for 20??.

    It is amazing how long this creep has been able to get away with this. But it seems that his game of smoke and mirrors is beginning to fail.

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