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I’ve been obviously disengaged for some time now.Β  Received an email request to start a new blog post to keep the comment list from getting too long.Β  Here it is.Β  Play nicely.

459 Comments

  • martin says:

    I have not seen Johnny Harrell before, but he’s giving the latest sermon on youtube…..

    If you need help falling asleep, I recommend watching it.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    Weinald, Johnny, and Wayne are all “nothingburgers”

    How come we do not hear weinland spouting off at the mouth about “all” of his old time predictions from 2008?? Thunders, death of all the cog’s leadership, 63k flocking to his cult, haven’t heard a word, have you?

    Is nothingburger weinland telling all his members to store up food, cancel all insurance polices, IRA retirements, and to charge on your credit cards to their limits?? He did all of this leading up to the grand failure of May 2012!!! Then, why is his current failed prediction of June 2019 different? Can anyone explain this to me????

    Not very consistence there weinland!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    WEINLAND YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER!!!!

    When I was part of your cult, I never really believed your false doctrine about Christ’s divinity. You teach the he did not exist prior to his birth. Well Proverbs 8:22-36 proves you are a liar and a false teacher!!!!

    I read it from the “septuagint” Greek/English edition and it proves, very clearly, YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER!!!! I knew it all along but didn’t know where to prove you WRONG!!! I GOT IT NOW AND I CHALLENGE YOU ON IT!!!!

    You really can’t believe you are a prophet!!? You teach lies and falsehoods!!!! You really disgust me weinland!!!!!

    You need to fear this weinland, its prove what you are, a proven lying false teacher and self declared prophet!!!!

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    I just want to thank Mike for having this blog where we can all meet and chat! Thank you!

    I really just check here to see if that old blowhard Ronnie is a goner yet. That’s really all. He repeats the same old crap. Reminds me of the Monty Python “Dead Parrot” skit…He’s dead in the head and all he does is Repeat, Repeat, Repeat…

    Fade away already. I hope he suffers and is hungry on a daily basis before that happens….

  • martin says:

    If Christ did not exist before the NT, pray tell, explain this verse

    Referring to the Israelites constant testing of God’s patience…

    (1Co 10:9) Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

    If Christ did not exist, how could the Israelites have tempted him?

  • Ronco says:

    The pre-existence of Christ is one of few positions held by nearly ALL of Christendom throughout the centuries; I think Ron cooked up his teaching as a litmus test for loyalty- reminds me of Trump pressuring Comey for a declaration of loyalty.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ronco,

    You are absolutely correct!!

    Nothingburger weinland used that as a gateway into his cult. It was aimed at former wwcog members. In other words, you had to deny Herbert Armstrong’s teaching of the divinity of Christ and accept weinland version without question or you would not be allowed into his cult.

    When it comes to “newbies” they only thing they understand is the falsehoods that weinland plants into their minds – they do not know any better. Upppph, they believe weinland is a prophet – REALLY FOLKS!!??

  • martin says:

    When I read Ron’s explanation on the non pre-existence of Christ…

    I had thought I had mis-read the explanation, as the theory that Christ was not divine and did not pre-exist, was so ludicrous that nobody would teach such a doctrine, or believe it, as the proofs against it are overwhelming.

    And yet Ron got people to believe it. It’s like taking candy from a baby.

    If I knew it was so easy to swindle people, maybe I should have gone into the “business”.

    I remember a news story, where a preacher had 666 tattooed onto himself, and called himself an anti-Christ, and yet claimed he was a true prophet (I forget the stupid logic he came up for that), this guy actually had a church and members who believed in him.

    It’s outstanding! How people look for the first obvious false prophet, who have “false prophet” tattooed to their forehead, and RUN to him, and then RUN off the cliff with him to their doom.

  • martin says:

    EiE, I don’t remember, I know that now, you understand the Unitarian doctrine is a heresy, but when you first read it in Ron’s book, what did you think?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    That is a good and fair question. I have no answer for this except I simply did not respond to it.

    I look back now and I cannot believe how damn stupid I was!!! I KNOW BETTER THAN THIS!!!!

    The only thing I will give nothingburger weinland credit for is this, “he is one hell of a salesman”!!! Until you realize that, this is all he is, a salesman!!

    The good news is that I am far wiser now than I was then. I stand on “what I know” and “what I believe” and I do not give a damn what someone like weinland has to sell. As a matter of fact, I would welcome a face to face encounter with weinland!! He knows and I know he would NOT stand a chance against me ever again!! weinland is a liar and he lacks the courage to face any opposition that would challenge him and/or embarrass him in public and/or in front of his remaining worshipers (they worship weinland not God). If they truly understood what God teaches they would have left long ago!!!

    Ask yourself this question, where the hell is he?? All of his boisterous claims about God’s only chosen one and how the world will tremble at his feet, well, where the hell are you nothingburger weinland!!??

  • Fooled No More says:

    Interesting that back in ’08-’09, Ron was giving radio interviews left and right. I’m sure they’re still posted somewhere. Now, as you said EIE———-dead silence. No interviews, no plans for interviews I’m sure as there would be a thousand and one questions from the host as to WHY he missed the mark so badly.

    He doesn’t want to come near that one for sure!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    If I remember correctly, didn’t weinland make the statement, after getting out prison, that he would go boldly into the world and do his job no matter what the criticisms would be and that he knew it would be all about his failed predictions and prison sentence. I seem to remember this, do you?

    If this is the case, then, where is he??

    If this is so, where are the other pseudo prophets, evangelists, pastors, senior elders, and whatever? Isn’t it their duty to warn the world about the coming destruction? That is what I have always understood.

    Apparently weinland is not what he claims to be, any arguments out there?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Apparently, the diminishing income is more important than warning the world!!

  • martin says:

    The bible definition of an anti-Christ is one who denies Christ.

    If denying Christ’s divinity is not a denial of Christ then I don’t know what is.

    Thus by the bible definition, Ronald Weinland is an anti-Christ.

  • Fooled No More says:

    You’re right EIE! It was also said by Johnny as such not long before he got out of prison. I certainly haven’t seen all this “warning” by Ron……….except among his current followers no doubt.

    And yes, the cash cows are slowly but surely dehydrating!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It stands to reason that weinland does not have any confidence in his June 2019 prediction of Christ’s return.

    IF he did, weinland would be out there warning the world. Anyone who has confidence in what they are doing will do so. So, it is reasonable to take the position that weinland is already aware that his 2019 prediction is false and will not happen because of his lack of confidence and passion in his prediction.

    So now, it is time to figure a new angle on this failure. We await the next timeline to extend it another 3.5 years. It is easy to predict his next move because he is a consistence liar.

  • martin says:

    “IF he did, weinland would be out there warning the world. Anyone who has confidence in what they are doing will do so.”

    Exactly….

    It’s too bad most PKGers can’t think this through and see this.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Here is what we can expect from weinland:

    1) calls for fasting for his cult (ask God for growth) this is only needed to increase weinland’s income.

    2) fast for the return of the former members of wwcog. (for his credibility only).

    3) fast for God to empower him and his wife (this was supposedly done in Nov of 2015) not to mention the other claims of empowerment that failed.

    4) fast so God can give weinland an excuse to claim that June 2019 is not the date. (weinland will claim that God changed his mind again)

    Time is running out for weinland and company. Nothing is happening that he claimed would happen! It is just more lies on his part.

    I am assuming that weinland is keeping a low profile because his credibility is slipping among his worshipers. The continuing revealing of a false claim of being a prophet is becoming a focus for some.

    Look at it this way, for those who are warning their friends and family that Christ is returning and there will be all this destruction and “if” it fails, which it will. How are they going to look to their friends and family? It will only prove that weinland is a liar on several occasions.

    If it were my friend or relative, I would consider doing an intervention to free them from this lying thief.

  • martin says:

    More run of the mill sermons from Ron….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    That is to be expected. However the 2019 pressure will come.

  • Not Going to Brainwash me says:

    I met a guy who told me he was heavy in the church. So eventually, he wanted me to visit. I asked questions, and he gave me a book to read and that the author was the prophet at his church. I researched this so called prophet and boy, I can’t believe the amount of people that believe this man! I told the guy I was dating, point blank: this is a cult! He is only after people’s money. No way I’m setting foot in there. For the people that are still following this man, please wake up! All the evidences are in your face. He is a great talker just don’t feed into it. Work on building a relationship with the most high (God) and stop putting your faith in this human. I eventually couldn’t take dating the guy I met because he was too brainwashed. He didn’t even follow in the steps of the most high. Sinning left and right. But was dedicated to giving his 20% tithes and miles to this man. I pray for you all. Get out and seek the most high yourselves and you’ll find your true home.

  • Fooled No More says:

    NGTBM, I’m glad you didn’t get sucked into this cult! I wish I had been a bit more diligent in doing some research into Weinland and his “church” before I got fully involved in it. The timing of when I joined couldn’t have been more “perfect”——this was 2008, and this country was in the middle of a huge meltdown financially, and his book (2008: God’s Final Witness) seemed to make a lot of sense.

    But wait……….lurking in the background were grumblings of Ron changing dates even back then when he changed his “Christ returning timeline” from Trumpets of 2011, to Pentecost of 2012. This would have been in late June of 2008. Having been new in the church, I didn’t think much of it as it was the first time I had ever heard of someone giving a definite date, and a whole bunch of us believed it.

    Fast forward a few years, and Ron’s trial for tax fraud is on the horizon. With all that was going on with that, and his stern warning for us NOT to look in the news or go on blog sites like this to see what was going on, it kept us in the dark that much more. Along comes the absolute failure of May 27, 2012, and that’s when the SHTF and eyes started to be opened.

    Ron goes off to prison in early ’13 after being convicted, and yet there were still a good number of us that stayed as we “thought” God was just going to open up that lock and set him free come May 19, 2013——-another big failure as Ron had changed dates yet again when the previous one (2012) turned out to be a big nothing.

    I soldiered on, as I had “hope” that things were going to go as Ron said, but in late ’14, I started to have some serious personal issues healthwise, and financially which made me start to take a good hard look at Ron Weinland and the Church of God. I finally threw in the towel on March 8, 2015 when I wrote a letter to the powers that be (I CC’d three letters to three parties) that I no longer wanted to be part of the church as I had enough.

    Enough of the lies, enough of the financial struggles, enough of health issues which were directly related to sending them waaaaaay too much of my money which could have been used to get myself straightened out.

    The point I’m making is this………….your ex is going to have to hit rock bottom before he tells them to go somewhere, and get on with his life. Will the failure of 2019 be it? Will he get tired of the financial strain? Will he get tired of the constant predictions and changes that keep happening over and over and yet nothing happens?

    Time will tell but each one of them will have to hit their super rock bottom low before they make their break.

    A friend who used to be in the church and I were talking a little while back about how their indeed could be a lot of people that we knew that are already gone, but out of their embarrassment, they’re too ashamed to admit they were duped and don’t contact anyone they knew about how they were fooled.

    I’ll tell people in a second that I was duped, but got out when the lies and fallout of such became too much to take.

    Hopefully your ex will come to this conclusion and soon.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, your post gave me a chuckle! πŸ˜€

    I’ll bet that’s EXACTLY what he does! Endless fasts which lead to nowhere ‘cept a lot more disappointment! Keep sending in that money though, lest God gets mad at you!

  • martin says:

    I like to attack Ronald false prophet Weinland’s terrible bible teaching, because if Ron doesn’t understand the nature of Christ and God, how is it he can be His prophet???

    Ron’s ridiculous Unitarian teaching, that Christ didn’t pre-exist, is a heresy.

    I would like him to explain this verse, where John states that Christ pre-existed his (John’s) own conception, for this to be true, CLEARLY Christ must have pre-existed….

    (Joh 1:15) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

    The CEV translation is probably the best one of this verse.
    (Joh 1:15) John spoke about him and shouted, “This is the one I told you would come! He is greater than I am, because he was alive before I was born.”

    One sign that indicates a false prophet is one who brings “another” God, to the people.
    This is what Ron does when he teaches that Christ did not pre-exist, this is a form of bringing “another” God to the people.

  • martin says:

    It may be surprising to hear this, but it is entirely possible that God actually sent Ron to his people.

    It is stated in both the OT and NT, that God actually can send a false prophet to His people. (Go see Deut. for this)

    First God sends the truth to His people, then what God does is He sometimes sends a false prophet to His people afterwards!!

    He wants to see how many of them are going to be like a pitbull and hold onto the truth, and how many will drop the truth like a cheap hat.

    This is not something I made up, this is actually mentioned in the bible. Most will know the verses I am referring to. Others should do their due duty and look it up.

  • martin says:

    It is embarrassing (and that’s putting it mildly), to see how God’s “true prophet” changes his prophecies on a continual basis, since he is supposed to be God’s mouthpiece, this would make God an incompetent, which is a horrible heresy and insult to God.

    Never once did Moses change ANYTHING.
    Moses told, the time, the place, the people affected, the nature of the plague. How long the plague would last.

    Moses was 100% correct 100% of the time, now that’s a true prophet of God!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    NGTBM:

    I applaud you for your taking the time to investigate weinland. I wish I had done the same thing. I wasted five years of my life listening to this liar and not to mention giving my money for nothing!!! Yep, I contributed to his greedy life style – shame on me –

    Also, I am glad that you ended your relationship with the follower of a cult (cog-pkg). It was the best thing you could do to save your sanity. Good For You!!!!! However I am curious as to why he was dating outside of the cult he belongs to. Hummm there might some internal problems there, because, weinland instructed his cult not to marry or have children. This was just prior to the 2012 failure. I wonder if weinland has gone there again??

    It will be interesting to see what will happen over the next twelve months.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    Thanks and it will be interesting to watch his followers starve themselves for absolutely NOTHING!!!!!!!

  • LeftAtLast says:

    Just stopping in to see how my fellow ex members are doing, and to do some thanking that is much overdue.

    Special mention to Mike, Douglas, and Avelokiteshvara because their words helped me the most as I dug myself out of the dark that was pkg. But each one of you contributed to my freedom and growth. There’s just too many to mention you all, so forgive me for naming only a few.
    I think of all of you with gratitude, and hope your families are well and you are all happy. Every one of you had a part in that.

    My children are grown, I am a grandmother, and we’re happy and healthy. I am employed full time with Cardiology doing billing, and giving back for all of my blessings with Veterans of the war in Afghanistan, and people coming out of domestic violence. Also branching out in new areas of schooling because I love learning.

    Sometimes I meet with a few x pkg folks. We’re all thriving.

    I will always remember with gratitude the help and encouragement I received here.
    Someday, it would be so great to fly north and meet Avelokiteshvara and his wonderful wife and family, and just shake their hands.

    They gave me such encouragement and kindness that I could never ever repay. The words said really changed my life, and benefit my children and grandchildren to this day.

    Douglas sent me books that I still consult to this day.

    And Mike walked the path before a lot of us did. He can relate, and kept things in here on an even keel.
    It was a lot of work. Thank you, Mike!

    I’ve moved on with life. Weinland holds no interest to me anymore. He is no longer relevant.
    PKG, same thing, save for the pity I feel for those who stay, and how it has changed them for the worse.

    Thank you all, so much. And should anyone wish to reach me, send an email to thekpr@yahoo.com.

    Sincerely,
    LeftAtLast

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Left At Last:

    Thank you for sharing your disappointing experience with weinland.

    I am thrilled that you have gotten back your own life!! weinland not only steals your money but also your personal life. I share the same hope as you have about the others still enslaved by weinland. But you have to keep in mind that they will no longer have anything to do with you (cult mentality). That is a sad thing but also a good thing. All you can do is to let them know your door is always open to them but that they must come through your door on their own.

    You all the wiser now and it is time to enjoy your life on your terms and no one else!!

    Good luck and you have made my day!!

  • martin says:

    I hope you still believe in God and the bible (not Ron’s version though). And that he didn’t turn you into an atheist.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Left At Last:

    Well, thank you very much! Anything I can do to help free people from HWA and his splinters, I will try. And as for Martin (“… and that he didn’t turn you into an atheist…”)… LOL!

    Atheism is MERELY rejecting faulty evidence for religious claims, and by rejecting Ronald Weinland’s imaginary god everyone here is an atheist according to the COG-PKG! Everyone is also an atheist in comparison to/with Buddhism, Jainism, Judaism, etc. So I have not turned ANYONE here into an atheist… ALL of us here are already atheists! So congratulations on becoming the best kind of “atheist”, a person that rejects at least one imaginary deity… Ronald Weinland’s useless idiot god!

    And if you ever want to explore being 100% atheist, don’t be afraid. It is uplifting and fun, and if you don’t like it you can always just not be an atheist and there is no angry deity that will punish you for it! πŸ™‚

  • martin says:

    That Ron has turned some members who got burnt by numerous failed prophecies, into atheists is truly sad.

    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    Ron and many others who are also false prophets have fulfilled this verse.

    Take David Koresh, just because this man was an evil deceiver who used bible beliefs for his own ends, didn’t sully the bible itself.

    A lot toss out the baby with the bath water, I don’t know why, they should toss the false prophet out and keep the bible, not toss them both out.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    That is very true!

    NOONE should turn away from religion because one guy was evil. Making an informed religious or spiritual choice is the only path to actual facts/truth. Thus, there are many atheists, agnostics and religious people moving forward for the wrong personal reasons. If Ronald Weinland can “make” a person an atheist or COG member, the real spiritual issue(s) still lie within the person…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How boring is weinalnd?

    He should be on the streets of NYC in his black robe and placard telling the world to prepare for the end!!! And his spawn Zarababble shoudl be right beside him.

    Oh my, when is the entertainment going to begin?

  • Excogger says:

    EIE
    The Great Man (No.3 in the Universe) is far from boring if you are one of the sinning members who are fudging on their tithes.
    In his latest sermon PDF he puts them on notice to repent of “stealing” or they will be booted out some time in the next few weeks.
    Would that ALL the members quit the tithing thing and were sent packing by TGM.
    Now THAT would be entertaining!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger, I think that’s TERRIFIC news that even more are starting to see what a HUGE hoax and scam this fool is, and are “voting” with their wallets, but more importantly with their brains that God gave them!

    Keep it up you rebels in PKG! Bankrupt fully this fraud and his wife, and make them earn a living by WORKING and not off the hard earned cash of the blinded!

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I couldn’t resist……….here’s what this fool had to say regarding “stealing” from God.

    To this day there are people still stealing from God! And I think, “What are you doing? You think I’m ignorant? Do you think I’m stupid as God’s apostle?” Your time is running out. You’ve got just a few weeks left and you’re gone – all of you – because there’s more than one. There are too many and if you don’t get it turned around immediately and repent before God it’s sayonara, dos vedanya, auf wiedersehen. And I know you’re only speaking English so it’s goodbye. Sick. In God’s Church we serve God. We seek to obey God in everything we do. There’s no such thing as being able to have adultery in God’s Church. There is no such thing as stealing from God, and on and on it goes. Those things aren’t allowed in God’s Church! We can’t just come the way we are. God says we’re to change. We’re to think differently. If people don’t, and if people want to play games and
    go through the motions, like send in maybe 5% or 3% just to kind of keep in the doorway, just keep the foot in the door a little bit and say, “I’m doing it. I’m doing it.” You lying liar! Stealing from God Almighty! How on earth can anyone of a right mind do such things? That blows my mind! It really does.

    He’s GOT to be kidding! You see Ron, there’s this little problem with you being a convicted CRIMINAL for of all things tax fraud? And who was stealing from who??

    Give us a freakin’ break!

  • martin says:

    Guy needs to get a mirror

  • martin says:

    Tithes are ONLY to be used for preaching the Gospel. It is not to be used to buy panties from Fredriks of Hollywood.

    The biggest thief of all is Ronald Weinland himself, for using tithes to fuel his own lusts for material things, jewelry, paintings, clothing, cars, property. Ron is a thief. As well as being a convicted tax cheat.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “We’re to think differently. If people don’t, and if people want to play games and go through the motions, like send in maybe 5% or 3%”…says the guy who was jailed for FRAUD for HIDING MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT! LMAO!! Ronald Weinland… the CRIMINAL who hates it when people withhold money from him like HE did with the GOVERNMENT. Looks like the PKG are committing the ultimate sin of denying a fraud the ability to commit more fraud!

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG:

    If you are a member of Ronald Weinland’s fraudulent church and are withholding money, you are actually standing up AGAINST an anti-Christ. So congratulations… every dollar you deny him is a denial of Ronald’s master, Satan himself. Every dollar you keep from Weinland denies his wickedness. And 2019 will be further proof that what your denying him money right now in 2017 is the RIGHT thing to do!

    2019 WILL be a total failure. And you will have kept your money from a lying fraud.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    WOW!!!!! THE RANTINGS OF A LYING THIEF THE KING OF THIEVES WEINLAND!!!!!

    Thank you Ecogger for the posting. It was good news to my ears!

    As it has been mentioned here on this blog, that, if you want to get the lying thief weinland’s attention all you have to do is to quit sending him money and the king of thieves weinland will send his thug elders to break your knuckles with a ball ping hammer!!! However this is nothing but an empty threat from the king of thieves weinland. He is not going to kick them out because he needs whatever amount of money they send in. It will be nothing but threats and intimidation from the lying thief weinland and his thug elders. THIS IS A CULT AND THE BEHAVIOR MATCHES!!!!

    As I consider these hypocritical rantings from the king of thieves weinland it tells me that there are some sever internal problems within the ranks of this thief’s organization. And I relate this to the failure of his phony scheming 2019 prediction. All you have to do is to look back at 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, and now 2019 and you will see the same pattern of failure!! Nothing is happening as the king of thieves has predicted, no empowerment (he has to intimidate the members for money) empowerment? Really!! No bombs falling from the skies, no death of the leaders of the other groups of wwcog and their flocking to the king of thieves organization, no fear of him or his gossip queen wife (where are they), no personal public warnings at all!!

    There are now those within the king of thieves organization that are now aware of this “pattern of failure” and are coming to grips with the lies they have been exposed to. In my opinion, it is more widespread then we realize and it will only be a matter of time when the thugs elders will realize they can no longer cover over the lies of the lying thief weinland and will eventually walk away from this liar wienland themselves!!

    What a day this is!! A thief calling out the ones he is robbing thieves!!! This is nothing more than “raw” hypocrisy!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, sure sounds like desperation to me!

    This sounds similar to 10 years ago, when he made similar “threats”, then when the money started to really roll in—–coinciding with the release of the 2008 book, all of sudden Ron and family had brand new BMW’s and was spending money like there was no tomorrow.

    Thing is like you said……….there are those that are still in PKG that remember when this has happened before, and they’re tired of being taken yet again. Many of them are working stiffs just like everyone else, and they’re tired of throwing good money after bad.

    I know I sure was!!

    Wonder how long it will be before Ron files Chapter 7/11 or whatever the bankruptcy laws are these days. I’ve never heard of a church filing bankruptcy though……….can they do that?? He’s already been convicted of tax fraud—–the government could tell him and Laura they’ll just have to eat it.

    ………….And the days and months are just ticking by without any big KABOOM! Except the implosion of PKG! πŸ˜€

  • martin says:

    I love how Ron said his numerology nonsense did not have any errors….and Mike was diligent enough to post them all, I also posted my own comments on errors as well as how his calculations were not unique in any sense (one of Ron’s “proofs” that they must have been divinely inspired).

    This is aside from the point that numerology is a form of divination which is strongly condemned in the bible.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, I can’t remember which sermon it was, but it was sometime around the end of 2012 where Ron gave a sermon that had to do with the number 13. Everyone was all abuzz about what this could mean, and had several people I know actively trying to figure this out.

    Ron had dangled a carrot the week before regarding this, and folks were on the edge of their seats wondering what was up.

    Well, that was all about nothing as time has shown, and you’re correct in that Ron’s guilty in a sense of divination, and he dragged others into it trying to decipher what he was going to reveal. Others out there might remember this sermon, and may have had the same thing happen with their members in their congregations.

    How sad………….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    this king of thieves weinland designated the number 13 as satan. And then he multiplied 13 times something to do with Thack Sr death and came up with his failed prediction of 2012.

    I remember this and all the members were mesmerized by this so called new revelation. This is where Martin is right. This king of thieves uses numerology to deceive with. The only problem is that all of these “number games” have failed. For example, this fifty days discovery is to cover his sloppy calculations for 2019. It will be entertaining to see the “new” numbers game for 20??.

    It is amazing how long this creep has been able to get away with this. But it seems that his game of smoke and mirrors is beginning to fail.

  • Eric says:

    According to Ron the World is sick, the other churches are sick, the governments are sick, other ministers are sick, other drivers are sick, people who throw rubbish on the ground are sick etc etc etc

    In his latest sermon

    “here are too many and if you don’t get it turned around immediately and repent before God it’s sayonara, dos vedanya, auf wiedersehen. And I know you’re only speaking English so it’s goodbye. Sick. In God’s Church we serve God. We seek to obey God in everything we do.”

    Now many members of his church are sick. Even when several times he has declared that after a trial (usually a missed prophecy date or event) the church is stronger than ever.

    All this is doing is pointing to his state of mind and what he thinks of others. The only person that’s actually ok is himself. Everybody else is below him.

    But Ron they know, and have been noticing for a while and so many have left because of this and the remaining ones are find it hard to have confidence in you now you are watering down your prophecies. Where is the total resolve that you insisted that others have about your dates. You keep saying that you believe the 2019 date with all your heart but then you leak out words like – but, maybe, perhaps.

    They are tithing but in the amount of “but, maybe, perhaps” because of you! You caused this and people will continue to leave. How lukewarm you have become except where tithing and your own income is concerned.

  • martin says:

    I thought the “church of Ron” was supposed to have been ready??

    Didn’t they fast every month? Wasn’t the temple supposed to have been cleansed?

    They appear to be worse off than ever.

    Or maybe they are waking up to Ron’s lies.

  • martin says:

    There’s an old saying…
    “He is guilty who cries innocent the loudest”…

    Well, in truth a person can be innocent.

    But this is talking about criminals, you ask criminals in prison if they are guilty, but no, they are victims of the system, or some such schmuck. They all think they are innocent, it’s the other guy that is guilty of the crime.

  • FedUp says:

    If people are reaching the point that they’re no longer tithing to Ron, why in the world are they still attending his church? If he can’t be trusted with tithes, why trust him on anything?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The king of thieves weinland is an “megalomaniac”!! He is driven by his own delusions of grandeur and his failing influence over the remaining members.

    Like I have stated, he is “not” going to kick out the cheaters out of his organization because the king of thieves understands that they will not return to his organization and they will become vocal critics of him. At present he has to many critics on the internet and social media.

    The king of thieves weinland’s tactics are to threaten and intimidate as much as he can get away with. The problem now is that his history of failure after failure is having it own effect on some of the members. The squealing like a pig has not started yet from this king of thieves. Once the tithes hit the point where the king of thieves can no longer support his lifestyle off of the member’s money; then the real threats and squealing will begin. This will happen and it is not far away.

    It won’t be long and they will begin to mock the king of thieves and this will bruise his ego to the point of madness!!!

    Order up the popcorn and drinks for the show is about to begin!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Also, I have this question, if the king of thieves is empowered, as he claims, then why all the problems??

    Everyone knows that an anointed prophet would not be dealing with such problems! The answer is that this king of thieves is a liar and fraud!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FedUp:

    It is the typical classical conditioning of the mind ( cult behavior). By not paying tithes is the first step of overthrowing the influence. The second and most difficult one is the ending of close friendships and emotional ties with others members. The ones who are leaving understand that they will be shunned and treated like they were never known (cult behavior).

    There are bloggers here that have experienced this, I experienced this myself. It was easy rejecting weinland but the close friendships was another matter. However I hold nothing against them because they are deceived and under the influence of a lying fraud. My door is always open to them if they so choose to contact me. This is what the lying thief fears the most!!!! He is totally powerless to reestablish any kind of influence what so ever and this is why he cannot afford to have continuing members contacting those who have left. It is to dangerous to his livelihood ($$$$$)!!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    We have all become friends here, people I’ve never meet, but talk with. WHEN Weinland stops, and he will not be able to continue, I shall miss all of you. Mike will have to start a new blog just so we can check in with each other from time to time. What a thing to look forward to. Unfortunately it will not repair the destroyed marriages, families and friendships that Weinland has had a strong hand in.

  • Excogger says:

    GIF
    I totally agree!
    Perhaps Mike’s new blog will be “False Prophet Audra Weinland” (or some other GOG-PKG “leader”.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, you hit the nail on the head! That was one of the things I was most apprehensive about——-leaving “friends” that I came to know over the 6-7 years I was in PKG. But I had to choose between my own well being, or keeping those friendships. My own well being is more important as I came to know not a one of those “friends” has contacted me since I left.

    Actually, there was but one who did write me for my birthday this past October, and I did write back and thank them as that was very nice, but that’s as far as it went.

    The good news is that I have been in touch with others that have left, and while our friendships are not “close”, I do appreciate the fact that they keep in touch every once in a while. There is one that I talk to on a regular basis that left a few years before me, and they do read this blog——it becomes quite the conversation piece every once in a while! πŸ˜€

    Glad I’m Free, that would be nice if we did all keep in touch with each other not if but when the time comes when Ron is no longer putting out tall tales. That’ll be a very interesting time to say the least as it’ll certainly no doubt put HUGE doubts in the minds of those who are still in PKG. Ron (and Laura) were supposed to be the main leaders of all who would be ushered into the Millennium.

    Obviously that’s not going to happen so there’s that ever present sound of an echo in the PKG bank account (actually the Bank of Ron). And yes, the myriads of friendships, marriages, relationships, families that have been thoroughly gutted due to Ron and Company, are for certain worthy of a huge payback.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free:

    Likewise, I also feel the same way.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny,

    How does it feel to have a front row seat of a three ring circus?? It seems that your failing prophet is just that, a big failure!! Enjoy the ride in your front seat.

  • martin says:

    Ron is still beating his current subject series to death.

    No correcting of nations so far (or ever).

  • martin says:

    Ron, the greedy power hungry false prophet that he is, if he was imbued with any power what so ever, he would certainly use it.

    From day #1 (of his false prophetic start), he was pronouncing death curses. So he was very eager for people to drop dead at his word.

    None of it happened.

  • Ronco says:

    It’s a famine of the word, folks- no sermon today, live or otherwise!
    OH NO!!!

  • Ronco says:

    All dressed up and nowhere to go…

  • Fooled No More says:

    LOL!! I wonder what happened?? Funds have dried up that bad that they couldn’t even rent a hotel suite? Technical problems? Massive storm where they are that zapped everything out??

    Hmmm……………………

  • Fooled No More says:

    ………………………Or, they got slick and sent a private link out to the “members in good standing” and only those with the link can tune into the sermon and later rewatch the video. Kinda like your own personal chat where you invite those that you want to be there.

    And lock out the undesirables (us).

  • Fooled No More says:

    Sorry for the multiple posts, but this really has my mind thinking of some wild ideas! Could it be that PKG can no longer truly function because well, things ARE that terrible that there’s literally NO ONE left to talk to??

    Kinda hard to believe, but crazier things have happened! I just went to the church website and like Ronco mentioned, the PKG website says………..

    “There will be no live services today, July 1st.”

    The plot thickens!

  • Randy says:

    To funny he said GW Bush was are last president, now Trump was sent here by God to ruin the world, and he said no more Popes how many we had asshole

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmm!

    I am more inclined to think along the lines of a health problems.

    This king of thieves weinland has a rebellion in the ranks by members who are questioning his claims, a failing 2019 prediction of Christ’s return, financial problems, and the ever increasing numbers of critics he can no longer battle (death threats are useless).

    I am sure the “stress” is affecting his damaged heart. “If” it is not this then it must be he is having a private meetings with Johnny and Wayne about how to come up with a new set of calculations because 2019 is no longer viable.

    I personally am of the opinion he is in serious financial straights and is suffering extreme stress from the prospect of bankruptcy!! No new growth means stagnation and declining income!

  • Ronco says:

    With the 4th up and coming, I think Ron & Co just wanted to take a ‘sabbatical’ from playing end-time witness, and decided to take a vacation.

  • Eric says:

    He is certainly making less effort than he used to. The last post in “Recent posts” at http://www.ronaldweinland.com/ was November 2016. That was when the non event Prophesy Against the Nations was finished. He hasn’t updated that site since then. If he writes down what he is telling his members it can come back to haunt him by us and others that hold him to account when things don’t work out. Better just to talk to people. That way he can say a whole lot of things that are a lot less likely to bite him.

    Prior to that the last post was in May 2016. He just has nothing of substance to say on the internet about the progress toward 2019.

    He is definitely winding down both physically and mentally as he ages. You can see how he gets stuck in the same pattern when he gives his sermons. He picks a topic and then give 5 or six sermons on it, then repeats for the next series. Its a common trait for older people to stay in familiar territory and thinking patterns. It can also be a sign of dementia.

    I’m personally going for heath problems as the cause of the missing live sermon, more likely connected with his previous heart problems. The last one he had in prison was quite a major attack.

  • Fooled No More says:

    PKG is very good at covering up things when it puts a bad light on them. Remember how long it took to find out that Ron had a heart attack before his congregations knew?

    There were also other instances when Ron had things happen to him of a serious nature, and trying to get info as to what happened was like pulling teeth. So much for this “powerful prophet” who sure seems to get ill an awful lot.

    Where in the scriptures is that mentioned that the one of the two witnesses would be so sickly??

    EIE, it wouldn’t surprise me on the other hand if that could be what’s going on. Trying to come up with further lies as to why things aren’t happening the way it’s “supposed” to. The months are whizzing by, and before you know it we’ll be in 2018. 2019 will come and go without so much as a whimper.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    I am of the opinion that the king of thieves weinland is facing his end on four fronts:

    1) the 2019 failure is going to be costly to him; it may be his end

    2) loss of financial support. He cannot afford to kick out those who are cheating him and “not” God

    3) his health issues are serious. His damaged heart cannot sustain long term stress for this will lead to another heart attack and its related effects on the cardiovascular system

    4) there are no heirs to take control of his organization. Johnny or Wayne would not be that stupid to claim the false titles that weinland claims. Audra is to incompetent to be even considered and Jeremy doesn’t have the desire to be an upfront liar like his father

    Do you really believe that gossip queen laura can really keep it all together even with audra at her side!!?? Remember that there “must be” two witnesses not one!! Maybe this lying thief weinland will try to push it this way (one witness) with a series of twisted demented untruths that comes only from his deluded mind.

    In some ways, I believe “Glad I’M Free” was sounding the alarm that this lying thief weinland days are very very near its end and when it is done will miss all of us here on this blog – we will see –

  • Fooled No More says:

    Hey Randy,

    Perhaps you can ask your mother if she knows what happened to Ron and Company yesterday. Since there was no service, you could say you noticed that she wasn’t listening to a live sermon.

    They’re good at keeping things even from longtime members so she may not know.

    Couldn’t hurt to ask though………….. πŸ˜‰

  • freeatlast says:

    RONCO – maybe he lit a firecracker and it . . . !

    Fooled no more – hope you hear from someone and you can shed some light on the subject.

    I agree – Randy – ask your mother if she knows anything…

  • freeatlast says:

    Ron’s personal blog was just updated – remaining JUly trips CANCELLED – they are still scheduled for Detroit August 5 – swan song?

  • martin says:

    Cancelled trips…

    Could mean health issues with Ron…

    Or could mean health issues with Ron’s wallet…

    Or could be both….

    They love to travel, all those 4 star dinners they are going to miss, they wouldn’t cancel out on those unless there was some kind of issue.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Used to be that there would be trips planned far in advance than just a month.

    Hmmm…………..something big is afoot! Just a matter of time till we find out what that is!

  • Ronco says:

    OOOOOHHHHH NOOOOOO!

  • Ronco says:

    Perhaps we should call for a churchwide fast…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The thing to watch now is what Johnny and Wayne will be doing.

    There may be a possibility that either Wayne or Johnny may have finally seen this lying thief weinland for what he really is, a liar!

    However I am more inclined to go along with some issue with his heart. As I have stated, the stress of a failing organization, financials, and a 2019 prediction that has not materialize is taking its toll. It would not surprise me if he had another heart attack and he has been ordered by a doctor to stay home and recover or face the consequences which would be death. “OR” he has had a stroke and is temporally incapacitated and that would makes sense why all of the trips in July have been cancelled. AS STATED, WATCH WHAT JOHNNY AND WAYNE WILL BE DOING!

    For me, I find it difficult to be sympathetic towards weinland because of all his lies and deceit and all of the relationships he has destroyed through all of his lies and deceit. Not to mention the outright greed he has practiced by stealing money from innocent individuals who struggle to pay their own bills.

    Remember this weiland!! What goes around come around and it is coming back to you!! This is what you have sown and now it is time to reap what you have done to others!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, whatever happened it really must have been dramatic and all of a sudden for Johnny and Wayne NOT to be able to step in at the 11th hour, and at least have a service.

    The next number of weeks and months will indeed be interesting, and if indeed Ron did have another heart attack or a stroke, will mention of it be made in the sermon by either one or anyone?

    I almost have to believe now that I’m typing this that the “higher ups” do in fact know what happened (I’m sure emails were flyin’ back and forth), they’re just sitting on their hands wondering how to spin this in the best light to the “lesser ones” in the congregations.

    Typical of PKG.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM,

    We both know how weinland’s organization works. They are not going say anything until it becomes absolutely necessary to do so. Because the gossip queen laura knows that they have leaks within their organization and once this word goes public it will be out of their control.

    Once again, watch Johnny and Wayne. Now some do know what happened but that would only be confined to the select few. “IF” something has happened they are going to do their best to spin it in such a way to benefit themselves. I still think about what “Glad I’m Free” was alluding to. “IF” this lying thief weinland is in serious condition and cannot continue in his falsely claimed role as number three in the universe what is stated in Act 5:34-38 with take place.

    I agree we will know in a short time what is going on. They will not be able to contain it for a long period of time.

  • freeatlast says:

    EIE, FNM – you know, they could have posted a previous sermon or one waiting in the wings so to speak instead of the statement that there would be no live service – that should not have taken much more effort to do. which comes back to it being so sudden most likely. let’s hope that we get word today or tomorrow. enough of that #%@&%!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Good point “freeatlast”!!!

    That would have been the best way to handle it, but they didn’t!!

    Maybe something happened moments before going on air. That makes a lot of sense to me.

  • freeatlast says:

    it would have happened at Ron’s house – right? they were not scheduled anywhere that Sabbath.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast yes………….Ron’s been broadcasting from his home whenever he’s not traveling somewhere for an organized service.

    Someone will spill the beans sooner or later……………….

  • martin says:

    HOW CAN ANYBODY BELIEVE THIS SNAKE OIL SALESMAN?

    How can anybody believe that God’s most powerful prophets of all time, would be sickly and unable to perform his duties????????

    (Rev 11:3) And I will give {power} unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    “power” is not in the greek, but I think it is fair to say this is implicitly implied (read remaining verse for proof).

    The TW’s will be given….WHATEVER…they need to get the job done, and part of that is the full health they will need to do the most difficult job any prophets have ever done.

    If Ronald Weinland has been sick, or is sick, or had a heart attack or stroke (most likely as this would be the only thing that would stop him from speaking, he loves to hear his own voice)….than certainly this would show that he has not been given power or anything at all, that’s because he’s a false prophet.

  • martin says:

    (Rev 11:3) … and *THEY* shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    The bible is crystal clear…BOTH PROPHETS SPEAK and testify, and preach to the leaders of nations and people of nations. There is no SILENT witness.

    Why is this critical? Because the bible has strict legal rules that apply to witnessing. When the testimony involves a death sentence, a minimum of 2 witnesses are required. God knows the rules He created and set up, so God requires 2 witnesses, since they will be required to execute a death sentence upon being attacked.

    So the fact that Laura is a “silent” witness, legally invalids both Ron and her testimony.
    So according to the bible rules for witnessing, their testimony is not acceptable.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny and Wayne,

    Are you guys getting a little nervous yet? You should!!

    Sooo, which one of you are going to step up to the plate and proclaim yourself as the “one”? Keeping in mind that all the money goes to the gossip queen and not you – something to think about boys –

  • Fooled No More says:

    I can’t help but wonder if indeed Ron is incapacitated from speaking——be it from a stroke or whatever, the sheer panic that has to felt throughout the “leaders” of PKG.

    As you said EIE, are Wayne and Johnny going to step up to the plate?

    Who gets to decide what sermons are going to be given? When it comes to traveling will they be able to go on the church dime?? Ask Ralph Dowd about that one!

    You just know that the ones left over dumb enough to keep giving money, Laura wants each and every dime. That’s all she cares about. While I can’t prove this, I can best believe she can see her whole empire coming to a screeching halt as well it should.

    Interesting that all this is happening on “Independence Day” weekend!

    Is that a fitting metaphor or what?? πŸ˜€

  • freeatlast says:

    here’s hoping it turns out to be a TRUE INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! FREE FROM RON AND LAURA!!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Hey, does that mean since I was “kinda right” that now I’m the next prophet. All right everybody start sending your tithes this way!!! I’ll not go on a trip either, will start by paying for the new roof, which is being put on, damage from the last storm. Only damage on one side, so insurance said will only pay for half the roof. See….even that fits with the prophesy, I only need to be half right. Wow, I’m better than I thought I was!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Glad I’m Free…………………LOL!! πŸ˜€

    Hey, you’re at least 100% better than Ron who hasn’t gotten ANYTHING right!

    Still wondering what happened to that one…………..awfully tight lipped aren’t they??

  • freeatlast says:

    unusual for loose lips Laura!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Laura can keep things close to the vest if it’ll mean there won’t be further damage to her empire. I’m sure there are those that know besides her——-just a matter of time before there’s a “leak” and we know for sure.

    I can guarantee in fact that there was a torrent of emails that went back and forth letting certain ones know what happened. They were probably told in no uncertain terms NOT to let anything out as to what went on. Obviously if you’ve cancelled the visiting of congregations for the rest of the month, for sure something major happened. I’m not so sure August will be viable………….we’ll have to see. πŸ˜‰

    Reminds me of the time when Audra remarried, and bunch of us found out by a certain Elder who while showing a picture of his soon-to-be wife, inadvertently ended up showing a pic of Audra and her new husband. This was at a restaurant of all places, and everyone’s jaw dropped as we had NO IDEA that she was even divorced let alone remarried.

    Come to find out later on that Ron and Laura sent out an email to certain Elders that she indeed did get remarried, but no one thought enough of us pee-on’s to let us know.

    Typical……………

  • martin says:

    Hiding behind secrets…is a tactic of cowards.

    People of truth don’t need to hide anything, unless it is proper discretion

  • martin says:

    “Reminds me of the time when Audra remarried”

    According to the bible definition this makes Audra an adulterer.

    There are situations upon which one can divorce and re-marry (that is, in a biblically correct context). It does not sound that Audra was in one of these situations. What it sounded like was Audra was fickle minded, and wanted a new husband, and just went ahead and did that.

  • freeatlast says:

    Laura constantly bad mouthed Audra’s first husband, Chris to me.

  • Fooled No More says:

    freeatlast, I bet she did! One particular time right before services, I heard Laura really going on and on about Chris. I didn’t think too much of it, as I didn’t know that they were divorced at that point.

    What killed me later on though is how Ron would get up there and bleat on about how we shouldn’t gossip to one another.

    Huh???:o

    You got the biggest offender of that sitting right in front of you! Get her to stop before you complain to us!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    The best part would be since I’ll be starting the NEW church, my ex would now have to give money to me. That would be a first! Then since Ron said he didn’t hear him call me all the wonderful names, he said he was taking the man’s word, since man was head of household. We’ll lets see Gary you are now a ….. …… ……, wait I couldn’t do that, no just send me your check. Ya, that will work, call me anything you want, just give me your money. Gary would now have to listen to a female, first for him, cause women are good for few things, based on the way I was treated. And the list starts…..this could be fun.

  • Randy says:

    I asked mom she won’t say but something is up her phone is ringing off hook and she has be in her room listening to Ron the asshole sermons all day, nobody sending tights poor money whore ,you don’t need any get a donkey like Christ did , a you already suck all the money from the few you have left dumpster dive like some of your followers did bitch !

  • Fooled No More says:

    Randy, I have to say your Mom’s been told what happened——but as I mentioned before in an above post was told to be absolutely quiet about it.

    Nevertheless, the truth WILL come out as someone will let the cat out of the bag.

    We’ll just bide our time and watch PKG implode on itself. πŸ˜‰

  • Randy says:

    No more feast -wrong
    No more President- wrong
    No more pope – wrong
    Christ is coming back – wrong 4-times
    2/3 of vegition gone – wrong
    Are boarders blown up – wrong
    42 month federal prison – fact
    Did not die in streets – fact
    1700 suits fact
    Drives BMW’s – fact
    Bought his son a BMW – fact
    Bought his daughter condo – fact
    $500 Masage – fact
    Trips to Vagas – fact
    Mike going to die of his curse of cancer – never happen
    $400,000 house on gulf course – fact
    Lady borrows $3000 from church to move and pays back and money whore puts it in her person account
    Money whore Gossipping about everone – fact
    Much more

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This is getting very interesting!!

    We will know soon enough the leak will come.

    You never know but maybe one the top leaders finally told weinland to take a hike!!! Not that would be a heart stopping jolt for the lying thief weinland!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    not should be “now”

  • martin says:

    If nothing is wrong, than Randy’s mom would have said so.

    But something seems to be up, since she’s been (apparently) ordered to keep her mouth closed.

  • martin says:

    See what we have here….

    1) Audra – a false prophet / silent witness like her mom, and by the bible definition is an adulterer.

    Mat_19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife {or husband}, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

    Mar_10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

    1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, *NOR ADULTERERS*, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    1Co 6:10 *NOR THIEVES*, *NOR COVETOUS*, nor drunkards, nor revilers, *NOR EXTORTIONERS*, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    2) Laura – a gossiping, coveting, lazy good for nothing wife, who won’t get a job. Also a false prophet. A “silent” witness, which invalidates any claims to be the TWs.

    3) Ronald Weinland – a tax thief, abuser of God’s tithes to buy merchandise, a liar, a coveter, a false prophet.

    These 2 (or 3) are supposed to be God’s prophets?

    I don’t think so.

    3)

  • freeatlast says:

    Randy – tell your mother Timothy who she met in Cinci at Ralph’s asks her to tell you what happened. Don’t know if that will help and I don’t know if she will remember me but I would like to know.

  • martin says:

    I hate it when truly innocent people are duped into protecting the likes of Ron + Laura.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, they’ve been so brainwashed into thinking that if they speak against Ron (or Laura) they’re speaking against God, and that can be a difficult thing to crack through.

    Especially when there’s the threat of disfellowshipment because you dare speak out against someone or something you know is wrong. Refusing to give them anymore money is just the start of it.

    I can just imagine the phone calls and emails going back and forth. Ron could be in Intensive Care for all we know, and there’s and hour by hour update of what’s happening with him.

    Time will tell……………

  • martin says:

    If they cancelled ahead of time, a whole months worth of trips. Then it must be something serious, that they know will probably last that long.

    I don’t think so, but it’s possible that Ron died. And they want to keep it under wraps as long as possible.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    Maybe, but that may be a stretch.

    I could agree with a disabling event. Now the question is, “is he hospitalized”? If it is a stroke he will be in a stroke center; if it is a serious heart attack he will be in hospital cardiac center.

    When it comes to strokes, they range from temporary to sever disabling events.

  • freeatlast says:

    throwing a monkey in the . . . could it be that it was Laura that something happened to?

  • Ronco says:

    This one’s a real cliffhanger- stay tuned!

  • Fooled No More says:

    freeatlast, that’s a possibility. But Randy said that his Mom’s phone has been ringing off the hook, which leads me to believe that Laura is among those callers.

    She more than likely would tell his Mom not to breath a word about this “till the coast is clear”.

    Ronco, I’m on the edge of my seat! πŸ˜€

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Remember the soap opera, “As the World Turns”?

    We now have a new one, “As PKG Turns”

  • freeatlast says:

    me too – almost off the edge! πŸ™‚

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE………LOL!

    Maybe that should be “As PKG Burns”. πŸ˜€

  • Fooled No More says:

    Actually, this is probably BETTER than a soap opera because we’re not dealing with fictional characters here! We all know who they are, and they may know who some of us are.

    Real folks, real drama, real people who’ve had their lives turned upside-down by these frauds. Now it’s coming back to bite them on the tush, and a REAL big chunk I hope Karma takes out of it!

  • freeatlast says:

    Johnny and Wayne have too much invested and their egos won’t allow them to see the TRUTH!

  • freeatlast says:

    someone should call the hotel in Orlando and see if they still have the FEAST booked

  • freeatlast says:

    in years past the FEAST trip dates would have already been posted on the upcoming trips list.

  • freeatlast says:

    J S in ME – are you tuned in to this blog?

  • martin says:

    Ron said how God punished Mr Tkach Sr., with health problems because he was a false apostle.

    Now we have Ron being punished with health problems for being a false prophet.

    Black kettle….meet black kettle.

  • Fooled No More says:

    freeatlast, you’re absolutely right! This is now July, and before you know it, we’ll be looking at leaves changing colors and cooler weather among us. Usually right after Pentecost, the church would have dates posted on their upcoming trips list——particularly to let folks who plan on traveling afar what’s up.

    Take into consideration kids have to be let out of school for that whole 10 days (including weekends no doubt) time off from work and putting in for that—–a lot of planning has to go into this as that’s a LOT of days off!

    At my old job as soon as we got the schedule for when the Feast is going to be and hotels needed to be booked, I put in for time off which back then was three weeks off and a week for personal days. They’re definitely in a cash crunch as well as all the physical ailments………..they may be short on cash to lock down the price for the rooms for all we know. Thus the torrent of threats coming from Ron in past sermons about tithing.

    I’m going to go out on a limb and take a wild guess that no more than a couple hundred people show up for the Feast at just this ONE site they’ve booked. A far cry from years ago when there were SEVERAL feast sites, and there were easily several hundred at some of them.

    Those days are looooooong OVER!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    You know, there may be another angle here. Just maybe, the IRS has reopened their case because weinland has been a naughty boy again!! The IRS may have confiscated all the bank accounts!

    I am sure that would be another heart stopping moment!!!!

  • freeatlast says:

    this time going after Laura for the way she handled things when Ron was in prison?

  • Fooled No More says:

    freeatlast, I hope JS in ME is in fact tuned in! I know who that is, and I remember hearing tidbits about what was going on in PKG——-even before I left!

    Who knows, maybe he got wise and bailed and wants no more to do with PKG. Still it would be interesting if he dropped in and told us a thing or two. πŸ˜‰

  • martin says:

    Maybe Ron landed back in jail for some violation?

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Does anybody know if the neighbor, Joyce, is still attending? If in jail, not listed on the OH court site yet. You could call local hospital’s, they can say if someone is there, but that is all. If it was Johnny or Wayne, that would be talked about. Remember when Terry, Ralph left, how fast that traveled.

  • martin says:

    It’s a shame that Terry does not speak out against this man. A terrible, terrible shame.

    I’m assuming Terry left because he finally saw Ron for what he was, a thief, a liar, a false prophet. And not for some other possible reason. Like Ron throwing him out because he wanted more air time or something like that.

  • Excogger says:

    I think Ron and Co. are heartily sick of all the criticisms of his good intentions by all of us here so that he and Laura have decided to take a vacation at an undisclosed destination so they can enjoy a little Peace and Quiet and respite from having to prepare “sermons” for the faithful and “witnessing” for the rest of humanity. Responsibilities can be quite exhausting and stressful, as can trying to keep track of all the lies that have been Ron’s stock-in-trade for so long.

    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!”

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger, that’s all well and good if true——–but I see that as rather selfish for those that are not in the loop, and much to their surprise they were sitting waiting for a sermon this past Saturday and then…………….nothing.

    Not that selfishness, and narcissism has ever stopped Ron and Laura before. It’s still interesting that they have cancelled ALL of their visits throughout this month though. I know in my case, I used to plan my weekends around the fact that they would be visiting in our area, and heaven knows I used to spend untold amounts of money to stay in a hotel just to be able to spend time with “brethren”, and not feel left out. Throw in the cost of eating out, gas………it cost a bundle!

    Those that made plans, now have to rearrange things all over again. It’s not like there are thousands waiting in the wings to see them though………….more like tens, if even that many! πŸ™‚

    Martin, Terry seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth and I really can’t blame him. I do remember a while before Terry “left” (they spun it that he was put out), Laura mentioned at one of our services once about how she was trying to get in touch with Terry, but he wasn’t returning phone calls or emails. That was his signal that he was about to jump ship……………it’s the same thing I did two and a half years ago when I was about to leave PKG for good.

    There are people that I used to be in touch with that also left PKG, but I don’t hear from any longer. I can’t blame them for wanting to leave that nasty chapter of their lives behind them. They’d sooner rather forget feeling foolish for believing all the tales that Ron told over the years, and how their time (and money) was wasted. I know of one in particular that after I gave her the links to this site, and after all that she read——she told me that she was actually VERY depressed about what she was reading. She told me that I have no clue how she feels as she felt like she hit rock bottom.

    I have total empathy with the way she felt.

    I haven’t shut folks like her totally out of my life——-I’m of the mind that I’ll run into them again somewhere, somehow down the road and if they want to talk about what happened during those years great! If not, I’m content with just being good friends and talk about a myriad of other things that are going on in the world.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Another thing I want to add…………………OK, say that Ron and Laura wanted to head to the hinterlands for some much needed “rest and relaxation”. They couldn’t have told Wayne or Johnny I dunno, two weeks ahead of time that they needed them to fill in??

    I’m going to stick with the notion that Ron took a turn for the worse health wise and everything got thrown out on its ear to accommodate the sudden change of plans.

    I might be all wet………………..time will tell for sure!

  • Excogger says:

    FNM
    I was being iRONic in my post…..Some would say it was dripping with sarcasm.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger……LOL! I figured that! πŸ˜€

    But seeing how the mind of the Weinlands work, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they tried to pull something like that off.

    On that note, I think since I have some time off from work till next week, I’m going to do some snooping. Since they like to know what others are doing (or not doing) in their congregations, I think turnabout is fair play and I’m going to do just that! πŸ˜‰

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I checked the federal courts database, there’s no court filing on Weinland this year.

    My guess is that it is likely medical. When he had his heart attack and triple bypass surgery in 2005, he did not deliver sermons for 5 weeks. That is consistent with his absence last Saturday and the trip cancellations on his blog through the end of this month.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is good to hear from you Mike, it has been awhile. Thanks for checking with the feds on weinland.

    This lying thief weinland has created his own monster that is sucking the life out of him. He made his organization all about himself and no one else. This monster he created has high demands!! Weinland’s health can no longer meet its demands and it is costing him health wise. You reap what you have sown weinland and it will now demand your life or leave you in complete ruin. You did this to yourself through your greed and wanting to be something you could never achieve.

    How does it feel to be a complete failure with a history of lies and deceit and not to mention the lives you have ruin and put into turmoil. What goes around comes around weinland and it is now your turn!!

  • martin says:

    “Martin, Terry seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth and I really can’t blame him. I do remember a while before Terry β€œleft” (they spun it that he was put out)”

    I forget if Terry was aware of this site…

    I think he would be welcome to speak his mind on why he left.

  • freeatlast says:

    for those unaware, Terry’s wife is buddy buddy with Laura

  • Enough is Enough says:

    That is his ex-wife. Terry remarried

  • freeatlast says:

    EIE – thanks for the correction

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, Terry leaving PKG no doubt had very much to do with Ron’s trial and all that was brought out in that. IIRC, that was right around the time Laura mentioned that she couldn’t get a hold of him——not answering/returning phone calls and emails.

    Interesting enough, it was not that long before all of this that Terry was giving sermons in place of Ron. Guess his eyes were opened waaaaay wide and all of that came to a screeching halt!

  • Randy says:

    Terry left everything for another women !!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Randy you didn’t know that Terry divorced his former wife?? The divorce was not a pretty one and Terry walked out of the courtroom before the judge gave his final decree.

    I forget her name, I think it was Angela or something like that. She was elevated to some high rank in pkg and was laura’s sidekick. However, she has now fallen off the radar and I do not know what has happened with her. I do know that she was struggling with her health and that is about it.

    Terry didn’t leave weinland’s organization for another women, it was far more complicated then that. However, it would not surprise me if laura did something to encourage the divorce; knowing laura milignant habit of gossiping!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, that’s pretty much the story I heard. And as I mentioned, given what was going on with Ron and his trial at the time, I’m sure that just added fuel to the fire. Laura could have indeed encouraged her to ditch Terry because while she was all aboard with PKG, Terry obviously was not.

    Yes, her name was Angela, and she was struggling with some type of serious illness——what I don’t remember. If I’m not mistaken, I do believe she has also remarried so she can’t be too ill now no??

  • freeatlast says:

    Angela was bitten when Terry and her were at the FEAST in Hawaii if I remember

  • freeatlast says:

    also another curious thing – Ron has always had the previous year removed from the Holy Days page once a new year started – he has not removed 2016 because I think he does not want 2019 to show on the page – always three years showing

  • Fooled No More says:

    LOL! So does that mean freeatlast when we get past 2018 we’ll just see a blank page??

    No more Holy Days according to PKG?? πŸ˜€

  • Fooled No More says:

    Now that I think of it, I could have SWORN he had 2019 listed on there earlier! I remember because I showed it to someone at work about the church’s nonsense.

    I can remember my coworker joking that she’ll just put in for vacation time then since the world’s going to end and all! πŸ˜€

  • freeatlast says:

    back in 2014 I think he had six years showing which would have included 2019

  • freeatlast says:

    I think and hope that the whole website will be taken down BEFORE 2018 πŸ™‚

  • Fooled No More says:

    Well, since I’m off work, I have time to snoop! You know as they say the internet never forgets! Seems as though indeed Ron was listing six years of Holy Days through the end of 2014.

    How do I know that?? There’s this really neat little website called the “Internet Wayback Machine that happens to take snapshots of websites at different periods of time. If you click here, you’ll see that there are in fact those six years of Holy Days listed.

    However, when you go to 2015—————this snapshot taken February 19 in fact, you’ll see that it was cut down to only go through 2017. You can check that out here.

    Sooooooo……………we all know Ron knows full well that 2019 ain’t gonna happen the way he’s trying to brainwash others the way he says it’s gonna happen.

    Ain’t internet technology great?? πŸ˜€

  • Fooled No More says:

    Whoops! I did the wrong URL for the wayback machine’s 2015 listing. That can be found here where the ensuing years are cut down to three instead of six.

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – thanks for the website – a great tool! now if we could go forward . . . πŸ™‚

  • freeatlast says:

    new update – posted for July 8 – Johnny and Myrtle Harrell in Cincinnati

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is like I said, watch what Johnny and Wayne are doing!!

    So now, we have Johnny and Myrtle going to Cincinnati. Wayne lives along way from Cincinnati!!!

    The time has come for the “new lie” coming from the lying thief!!!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    I can betcha this……………..Johnny will mention or give an “update” on what’s happening with Ron, but it’ll be before he gives the service. In other words, before it goes out to be put on the church site, it’ll be edited for the rest of us not to hear.

    You can’t help but be cynical with this bunch!

    Won’t matter though…………I’m still snooping! πŸ˜‰

  • martin says:

    Aug 5: Detroit, MI – Ron & Laura Weinland

    So I guess Ron’s vacation ends Aug 5th.

  • martin says:

    If it was some trivial reason, that the previous visits/trips/gambling was cancelled, then why not just mention it?

    So it is unlikely that it was something trivial, but because of some health reason. And that Aug 5th is a reasonable date where he’ll be better.

    But no, I don’t remember anything in Revelation where the Two Witnesses are sickly and can’t perform their duties for the 1260 days.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, I have to guess that Aug 5th is tentative at best! I think I was proven right about emails and phone calls going back and forth like crazy, for the fact that Johnny and Myrtle are going to be in Cincy this coming weekend.

    Talk about someone being “JOHNNY on the spot”! πŸ˜€

  • freeatlast says:

    sure you don’t mean “Johnny angel” ?

  • Excogger says:

    Johnny-be-good!

  • Fooled No More says:

    freeatlast Heavens no! That would be an insult to !

  • freeatlast says:

    I know

  • Fooled No More says:

    Whoops! That would be a REAL insult to this young lady πŸ˜‰

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Keep an eye out for Wayne

  • Ronco says:

    Here’s my Johnny favorite:

    https://youtu.be/W9_YrNJLvEE

  • Randy says:

    The asshole is in the hospital!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Randy, if your Mom mentioned this——–did she elaborate as to what happened?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder if the lying thief has any money to fly Wayne to Ohio??

    Hospitalized. We are ahead of the game aren’t we!!

    It won’t be long and the “truth” will reveal itself.

    It will either be his heart (most likely) or pneumonia. We will see.

  • Fooled No More says:

    I have to wonder if he had to be rushed by ambulance to the hospital?

    Remember, this was something very sudden for them to cancel practically everything through this month.

    If there was an ambulance involved (there’s no way Laura could move him), then practically the whole neighborhood would have seen it including Joyce who I take it still lives across the street from him.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM

    One of two things happened, either laura took him to the hospital or it was done by ambulance.

    Knowing the weinlands, laura probably took him to the hospital in order to stay in control of the situation. The last thing that they want is for the newspaper folks getting a hold of a ambulance log.

    We all know the news will get out and then we will see what direction it will go in. This lying thief weinland health can no longer tolerate the intense stress of maintaining his false claims. Do you really think he has given the boot to the tithe cheaters in his organization!!?? No Way!! He needs whatever money he can squeeze out of them to now pay his hospital bill!!

    It will be interesting, once the real truth is out, how the remaining members will react. I am sure the skepticism will elevate to a high level!! And as it was mentioned on this blog that the feast site in Orlando, Florida may have to be cancelled due to lack of funds.

    We will see.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It will be interesting, “if” the lying thief steps aside because of his health and someone else is appointed as the “new” replacement, it will be fun to watch the “money war” that will take place with laura – this always happens when things like this happen.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, you’re probably right about Laura taking him into the hospital. I had said that she would have had difficulty moving him, but we don’t know it Ron was indeed ambulatory and was able to get in the car on his own. No, they’ll try to hide things as long as possible, but someone will let the cat out of the bag.

    She IS a bit of a cheapskate……….but more than likely they now probably LACK the money for an ambulance call. I know when my Dad was struggling with his health years ago and an ambulance was called, my Stepmom later told me it cost them something like $400 just for the ambulance ride alone.

    …………….Nevermind the fact that they had insurance!

    I don’t know what kind of insurance Ron and Laura have if they have any at all, but I can guarantee whatever the expense, it’ll pretty much wipe out whatever money they have. Hospital stays especially for prolonged stays for heart conditions can cost HUGE $$$$$$!

    As far as the Feast, if anyone knows which hotel is hosting it, it might be interesting to make a call to see if they’re taking reservations for it any longer.

    If it’s been dropped, that is HUGE news! And that’s a sure sign that PKG as we know it is coming to its end!

  • freeatlast says:

    FNM – Hilton Garden Inn – Lake Buena Vista Orlando I believe. Care to give them a call?

  • Fooled No More says:

    I’ll get nosy and check it out! I’ll let ya’ll know! πŸ˜‰

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK!! Just got off the phone with a nice young lady, and she tells me that “there’s nothing yet scheduled for this hotel”.

    I said…..Really?? She said she’s the one that handles the reservations for blocks of rooms, and there’s nothing on her itinerary for “The Church of God”. I then had to ask her if there was a change, and she said no…………..there’s been no plans made for that group to be at this hotel. I could hear her clicking the keys on her keyboard so she wasn’t BSing me.

    Hmmm…………….either they haven’t made the reservations yet (VERY LATE FOR THEM), or they were going to have it there but cancelled.

    …………..and the plot thickens!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is the Double Tree Convention Center in Lake Buena Vista Orlando.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    10100 international drive
    Orlando

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Good Luck FNM. I do know that it is one of the Double Tree Hotels in Orlando.

    They have large meeting rooms and smaller ones.

  • Fooled No More says:

    I just called them a bit ago, and the person that handles that sort of thing was out of the office. The front desk person couldn’t answer whether or not if they’re having it there. I left a message with the handler and I’ll see if he calls back.

    If not, I’ll try ’em again! πŸ˜‰

  • Fooled No More says:

    Alright! Finally got some info! EIE, the hotel you gave me is hotel where the Feast is being held, and according to the lady I spoke to, there’s rooms still available.

    Sooooo………….the other burning question will be how many will be there this year?? I can best believe the numbers will certainly be smaller than they were last year, and that number was smaller than the year before.

    All very interesting, and the next few weeks and months will be just that!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t think that Laura would consider the public aspect of this. While there was some good newspaper coverage of Ron’s trial and sentencing (I met the reporter at that time), there hasn’t been any since. I’ll be tuning into Johnny on Saturday, unless I forget or if something else comes up. Which might happen, I’m running Grandpa Camp for another week.

  • martin says:

    Laura is not too bright…..

    She does love to hold onto the money though.

    It’s interesting how she gossips all the time about other people’s secrets, but when she has a secret she wants to keep, everybody better keep their mouths shut.

    I think hypocrite comes to mind.

  • freeatlast says:

    Laura told me she wouldn’t get through things (when Ron was in prison) if it weren’t for Johnny

  • Barry says:

    he is in Good Samaritan Hospital, Cincinnati. Floor Nurse said is doing real well. Called 3 hospitals and found he wss at this one and aparently doing fine. was not critical or intensive care. unable to find out more. offered to let me talk to him but i declined.

    not sure what happened, mayne Randy will fi d out more.

  • freeatlast says:

    we need some GOOD news

  • Barry says:

    yes, thought i might hear intensive care, not he is doing real well

  • Ronco says:

    It would be a big laugh if a bunch of ex-PKG’s near Cincinnati got together and paid Ron a ‘get well’ visit!

  • freeatlast says:

    that would be a real hoot! maybe give him a big shock!

  • martin says:

    Maybe he fell and twisted his ankle.

  • Excogger says:

    Well, I for one hope Ron gets well soon and can be discharged from hospital.
    Then I hope his so-called church is completely disbanded and ceases to exist as an institution. This is possible with strong leaders who are suddenly no longer able to keep control and domination.
    Ron, you are one of God’s children – He loves you and so therefore should I – which I do, but it is quite difficult at times… but what you teach and the false demands you make of your flock are despicable and often completely misrepresent your Creator. What a shame.
    I hope this latest illness is a wake-up call for you to change your prideful ways. Take a long, hard look at Armstrongism, Ron, and you will hopefully see how evil it really is. Your 57 “Truths” are merely assertions, full of lies and deception.
    Forget your “religion” and make good use of the golf course nearby. And be KIND to everyone, not demanding and full of your own self-importance.

  • Excogger says:

    That’ll probably go down well……

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger, I have to agree with you. I don’t wish any ill will on Ron or Laura, I just want the lies and deception to stop. I want the destruction of families, friends, relationships, people’s finances to all come to an end.

    Will it? Time will tell, but my cynical mind tells me no. He’ll just look at this as “God’s testing” and keep on doing the same ‘ol thing.

    On the other hand like you said, it might be high time for those “in power” to take the reins and leave Ron and Laura behind. It won’t make them any more correct in what they teach, but at least the destruction (most of it) will stop.

    At least that’s my hope.

  • Excogger says:

    FNM, thanks for your comments.
    I get a little passionate at times because I have three family members in this cult, and, as you are probably aware from my moniker, I was hooked myself by Armstrong & Co when I was much younger. Thankfully I have been free of these slick religious salesmen for many years and have learned many valuable life lessons in the process.
    As you say, time will tell.
    Patience is the key and love is always the answer!

  • FedUp says:

    Where do Ron’s lead “ministers” live? If they start arriving in Cincinnati en masse, we’ll know the end is near for Ron.

    OR, Laura tells no one until she’s made the necessary calls to maintain control of the group, dismissing anyone she suspects would be less than loyal to her.

    Too cynical?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Barry did a bit of investigative work and determined that while Ron is in the hospital, he’s not in critical care.

    During his 2015 Last Great Day sermon (see this post), Ron stated the following:

    But that’s very good when you consider that I still have one artery that’s 100% blocked and another one that’s still 85% blocked. In this place here it’s probably not going to happen that I get them opened up, so it’ll probably be later on once I’m out of here, the way things move, they’re so slow

    Here is what I think may have happened based on what we know or think we know. Ron sees a cardiologist periodically, and on his last visit the cardiologist decided that Ron needed bypass surgery to address those blocked veins. Thus the change in plans.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny lives in Dublin Georgia and Wayne lives in Australia. They are the top two leaders in weinland’s organization.

    To make a point, weinland is still in the hospital and has been there for a couple of days now. He is obviously under observation or in the process of being prep for some procedure. We all know that hospitals do not keep someone when they are able to go home. That means, the doctor is holding him for a specific reason.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Makes sense to me Mike.

    But my question is, “why didn’t God heal him since weinland thinks he is so important to God”?

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I’m going to put my speculative cap on…………..

    Ron may have been experiencing chest discomfort or pain perhaps early Saturday morning. Not to the point of a full blown heart attack, but enough of a concern that Laura takes him in to the hospital.

    His (or a) cardiologist looks him over and determines that yes, you’ll need to have those arteries opened up via either a balloon angioplasty (catheter), or another bypass, or whatever. Thus the reason for the sudden change of plans, and no sermon this past Saturday.

    I can tell you having worked in a hospital for a period of time years ago having those things done is no joke, and you gotta take it reeeeall easy for a period of time. In Ron’s case with him fretting over finances (it’s obvious in his sermons), all the more reason to take some time off and get it together. The more stress he has on his mind (and heart) the more difficult it will be to fully recover and get on with life.

    EIE, I couldn’t help but chuckle at your statement! Others with half a brain in PKG should be asking themselves that same question! Maybe even get bold and ask him that!

    As the Chinese have a way of saying………..”May you live in interesting times!” πŸ˜‰

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Why didn’t God heal him? As I’ve mentioned before, Weinland doesn’t have the same god as other people, his god lives between his ears. And while healing Ron is important to Ron’s god, it simply doesn’t have the power.

    Also, I seem to remember that these remaining arteries were not bypassed because the surgeon determined that the risks of surgery were greater than the risks of a heart attack. (Could not find a direct quote) Perhaps the risks have flipped — would it be that Ron’s risk of surviving surgery has improved, or is it that the risk of a heart attack has increased?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Reading FNM’s last comment (we were typing at same time), I think his scenario more plausible. Meaning that Ron’s odds of surviving surgery haven’t improved. And Ron might not have had the surgery yet if they want to do some tests such as a heart catheterisation first. So there’s a chance Audra will be promoted to Witness this month.

    I would listen to the sermon tomorrow but may have a conflict. Hoping others will listen and comment here.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Mike, IIRC he mentioned about the risks during one of his “letters” while he was still in prison when he had what sounded like a major heart attack. I thought that’s when the Dr. mentioned that the risks were too great, and better to NOT do the bypass.

    Things may have changed now, and it’s either do this or suffer a massive heart attack which could happen no matter what they do.

  • Don't care anymore says:

    If it was an emergency he would have gone to St Elizabeth which is close to his home. Good Sam is about 30 minutes away. Maybe some of the curses he has said would effect others is coming back to bite him in the butt.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Don’t Care Anymore, good point! Sometimes cursing one can come back to slap you mighty hard…………….in another words—–bad Karma!

    As I mentioned, his trouble might have not been serious enough to warrant an emergency room visit…….but enough of a concern where his Cardiologist was called, and he recommended getting to the hospital.

    Or……….this was something scheduled a while back, but the sudden absence of not giving a sermon with no backup is interesting indeed.

  • freeatlast says:

    Mike, I wonder if they will allow the public to listen to the sermon by Johnny If they do I will try to listen.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, it should be live on the church website if nothing else. With this bunch though who knows?

  • Fooled No More says:

    I have to say that I’ve been off all week, and this has been the most interesting time off I’ve had in a looong time! πŸ˜€ Not since I left the church have I been able to ACTUALLY have time on my own without having the burden of having to go somewhere (Feast site) and the dreadful expense that involved!

    Being free from PKG HAS definitely been a relief on my bank account!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If weinland is being evaluated for open heart surgery there are high risks involved. The first thing that has to be evaluated is how much actual damage is done to the heart and its blood flow. This is determined by a nuclear stress test. This is the first step.

    Going in a second time can be messy because of the scar tissue that has developed from the first surgery. Doing the actual bypass can have its own problems. BUT the real risk is restarting the heart. This all depends on the damaged to the heart that is already done. This is where the surgeon will make his decision from.

    When you heard from the surgeon that the risk are to high to be beneficial this is what he is referring to. Surgeon do not like losing patients on the table.

  • Fooled No More says:

    FWIW, I found the post where Ron talked about having his heart attack while he was in prison.

    If you’re interested, you can click here.

  • martin says:

    How? How can anybody believe he’s one of the Two Witnesses?? The guy is sick and can’t even give a sermon, much less “correct” the nations.

  • martin says:

    ZERO fulfilled prophecies.

    Revelation 11 gives a “checklist” of things the Two Witnesses will do. None of which Ron has ever fulfilled in the tiniest bit.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    Nothing to worry about. We all know he is a phony.

    Whatever the outcome of his health he will not be able to keep up with all the tithe cheaters and those who question him now. Weinland cannot handle being questioned and challenged and it drive him crazy when it happens. Well, that drives up the blood pressure and his anger just keeps on going. He is arrogant and self-serving and that will be his end.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Links are setup on the PKG website for live streaming tomorrow’s disservices.

  • freeatlast says:

    Mike – you got that right! dis services! Will try to listen but Johnny will most likely make any announcements or comments before pushing the button to record.

  • Barry says:

    when I asked to speak with the floor nurse I had no idea she was in his room. Beyond telling me he was doing well she asked IF I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH HIM AND SAID HE IS RIGHT BESIDE HER. I said no and hung up. Im sure she explained to him how odd that must have been. Maybe he will be paranoid about this, wondering who is checking up on him. Especially if he is being less than candid with his followers and maybe even his lead elders.

  • Ronco says:

    “Nothing to worry about. We all know he is a phony.”

    That’s what makes him so ‘awesome’- he still has a following!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Mike (DDTFA) said:
    July 7, 2017 at 19:39

    Links are setup on the PKG website for live streaming tomorrow’s disservices

    I got a real chuckle out of that Mike!

    Barry, it really would have been something if she just handed the phone to him and he said “Hello, this is Ron”. πŸ˜€

    Freeatlast, I dunno………there are other folks that’ll be tuning in besides the ones that are in Cincy that will want to know what’s going on. Of course, they’re very good at sending out emails on the sly. Letting the Elders know, and leaving it up to them to let others know or not.

  • freeatlast says:

    or Barry – it would have been something if she handed the phone to Laura πŸ™‚

  • Fooled No More says:

    Prediction:

    Johnny will mention not a word about Pentecost 2019, the return of Christ, or for that matter “The Great Tribulation” which was supposed to have already happened.

    According to Ron.

    I can also believe that the crowd that’ll be in Cincy is much, much smaller than it used to be even five years ago.

    Hey if I’m right, can I get to call myself a Prophet?? πŸ˜€

  • freeatlast says:

    what I would like to hear:

    an uprising from the crowd while Johnny speaks – a plea from the crowd for the truth! πŸ™‚

  • freeatlast says:

    are they having the service at LaQuinta or at the house?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Good question Freeatlast……….

    I take it that it’ll be at LaQuinta. The schedule says Cincinnati——-Ron and Laura live in Union, KY last I knew which isn’t all that far from Cincy considering.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron is opening the disservices, introducing Johnny. Only vague comments that there could be some issue with Ron.

  • freeatlast says:

    guess maybe Ron or the doctor decided not to do surgery

  • Fooled No More says:

    Yeah, that’s what I was thinking Freeatlast………..OR he’s to come back at a later time to have it done. The cancellations are still on as far as the church site goes.

    Very interesting!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Now looking at the room they’re in—–it’s not Ron’s house…I’ve been there. Must be at the hotel.

  • Fooled No More says:

    ………….And I just had to shut Johnny off—-I’m already feeling drowsy!

  • freeatlast says:

    yes, maybe he got out just for the Sabbath to attend and goes back in tomorrow – “as PKG turns” continues

  • Fooled No More says:

    He had to get the Dr’s OK to leave, otherwise it would be considered an AMA, and that wouldn’t be good!

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, I watched the last couple minutes of Johnny talking. Of course, I needed to have the sound turned waaaaay down! He ended that mighty abruptly no??

    No mention about next week…………I guess they’re flying by the seat of their pants now.

  • freeatlast says:

    maybe something unexpected happened? did it sound like it? I did not listen

  • martin says:

    Maybe Ron had another attack?

    Somebody should check the hospital….(?)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, I don’t know……I had the sound turned down, but I heard enough to where Johnny said his last few words, and then he was taking the mic off and it was over. No closing prayer, although I don’t think they do that anymore——just the opening one.

    Martin, that’s a good question………..who knows? Curious to see what happens next week.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmm

    There are a couple of things here to consider:

    1) weinland appearance was probably a setup to make it look like he was okay.

    2) they may have stented weinland and was keeping him for observation because of the high risks.

    3) they stabilized him and sent him home with the message of “we can do no more for you” and you will have to change your lifestyle to decrease the level of stress in your life.

    4) he may need a heart transplant and has been put on a waiting list.

    What I find interesting is that weinland did “not” give a sermon. “Why would he have to introduce Johnny!?” It was smoke and mirrors played by weinland!!

    We will see what next week brings. I am of the opinion that his heart is badly damaged and any further surgical procedure is very risky and would not be of any benefit.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, maybe the not giving of the sermon was part of the stress reduction?

    Remember how he was fretting over those that weren’t “giving enough” as far as tithes go a little bit ago? He’s going to have a hard time recouping any more money he may need to keep himself afloat.

    There are no new members coming in, and the ones leaving are going at a steady rate.

    I looked no further than the room they were in. Even though you only saw Johnny and the back wall, it doesn’t appear to be the same room. I’ve been in that hotel and I can best believe that it was not their conference room, but more of a suite.

    Gotta hang on to what little money as long as they can! Also, I bet Johnny and Myrtle had to come all the way there from Georgia on their own dime. Gone are the days when the church just handed Elders some money and let ’em travel where they wanted. Johnny might be a special case though………..I can remember when Ralph Dowd left there was a bit of a row between him and Johnny about certain funds.

    I didn’t know this but all those times I saw Ralph at different services………….he was coming on his own dime. Something that was brought up at Ron’s trial.

    I can’t remember the whole story, but it seemed as though Ralph “owed” the church for something——-particularly after he left, and Ralph pretty much told them to “stick it” after all the money he spent traipsing around the country following Ron and Laura.

    This Drama will be continued next week! πŸ˜€

  • martin says:

    “Owed”? That’s hilarious…

    It’s funny, because as far as I know, nobody gets paid a thin dime, except for family members

  • Excogger says:

    Martin

    I understand translating work is paid for. Must be mind-numbing tedious work.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder when Wayne will make a showing? If he doesn’t, then something is amiss in Australia.

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, I suspect Wayne will do this coming week’s sermon. I’m still puzzled at the whole “Johnny come up here” routine when it would have just been simpler to have the congregations listen to a past sermon for services.

    Keeping up appearances is of paramount importance these days I guess…….the longer they can keep folks in the dark the better unfortunately.

    It’s not like no one has email and they weren’t informed of what happened.

    Or were they??

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM

    I am too about Johnny.

    No doubt it is something serious. It could be both an health issue and an internal issue as well.

    For some odd reason I have my supicions about Wayne.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I am of the opinion that someone of important has moved on and weinland does not know how to deal with it. That would explain Johnny being called Ohio.

  • freeatlast says:

    EIE – I agree with you – if we do NOT hear from or about Wayne in the next week, then that would be very interesting indeed.

  • martin says:

    If I were Ronald Weinland, I would be shaking in my boots.

    It may be, that he will be meeting his maker soon, if the health issues do involve heart problems.

    False prophets do not end up having a good ending. In the NT, Christ said that false prophets would be gathered and burnt.

    Unfortunately, this seems to be the only way to stop them, as they never seem to repent, or change their ways, or stop extorting people of their money. Since they refuse to repent, they will have to be taken and burnt.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    What has happened here is consistent with:
    Ron has a significant medical event on June 30 or morning of July 1, leading to cancelling of July 1 services and cancelling of trips. They decide to bring Johnny up to Cinci for last Saturday. If Ron recovered well enough to do it himself they decided to let Johnny do it since his tickets were paid for. But maybe he’s not up to it, as they haven’t restored his travel schedule.

    But you may have additional insight, could be more than the scenario as I just described it.

  • freeatlast says:

    Is anyone who posts to this blog from Australia? If so, do you have any knowledge about Wayne Matthews? Is he still in contact with brethren there?

  • freeatlast says:

    has anyone checked back with Good Samaritan hospital? Maybe Ron is back in.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Well, I called Good Samaritan Hospital, and they tell me he’s not a patient there. Maybe later on though…….who knows! I guess my prediction came true about Johnny. He mentioned not a word about 2019, or Christ returning for that matter.

    Get out the popcorn! This should be an interesting week!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Freeatlast, I don’t remember when’s the last time Wayne gave a sermon. Maybe he got smart and decided to bail, thus the continued implosion of PKG. I too am curious if anyone in NZ or Australia has heard from him.

    House of cards is a tumblin’ down!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM

    So it seems that weinland was hospitalized to stabilize his heart attack. This agrees with when weinland had his heart attack in prison. The medical staff determined that there was no need to proceed any further and now GS in Cincy came to the same conclusion.

    The reason why for this is that when heart muscle dies it becomes scar tissue and is no longer functional. If the damage is to such a point it would be useless to proceed with a surgical procedure. You can’t change scar tissue into heart muscle by getting a blood supply to it.

    When it comes to stents, if the vessel is damaged to the point that it may rupture during the procedure this will be fatal. If the “widow maker” artery should rupture during the procedure you are a goner. There would be no time to intervene surgically.

    The real risk is trying to restart the heart when the muscle damage is passed a certain percentage. No surgeon is going to proceed when you have this type of risk. Surgeons are accountable when they are reviewed for unnecessary or very high risk surgical procedures. It could cost them their license to practice.

    “IF” weinland’s heart is passed that critical percentage, the only thing left to do is a heart transplant.

    The whole point is this, God has “NOT” intervened in weinland’s heart issue!! His claim to be God’s anointed messenger is bogus!!! His health testifies to this. Look at it this way, if he cannot give a sermon then how in the hell is he going to deal with a future tyrant!!?? HE CANNOT!!! Oh I see, it will be the gossip queen laura who will now become the spokesmen and weinland will become the silent one. OH REALLY!!!!!

    Lies lies and more lies!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    False prophets are an entirely different level of grifter. The false prophet brings such a degree of misery and destruction into his victims’ lives that there are all manner of people on the sidelines waiting with baited breath for his death or demise. As for those who still revere him, I would cite a similar example from the world of finance. There were any number of Bernie Madoff’s victims who didn’t know they had been scammed until he was arrested.

    BB

  • martin says:

    The Two Witnesses are both supposed to testify for 1260 days..

    Both Ronald Weinland and his wife Laura already failed to do this part.

    It doesn’t say they will testify for 1 year, or 2 years or 3 years, or almost 3 1/2 years. It says they will both do so for 1260 days, as well as cast all sorts of plagues, turn rivers to blood, kill their enemies by breathing fire on them, and so on….None of which they have done or ever will do.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I’M CALLING THIS ONE:

    If Ron has had a major medical event (heart related or otherwise) that could jeopardize his health or even lead to death, then he most certainly WILL spin it as a sign that God is preparing him to die as a part of Witnessing. So if Ron then actually dies it is “prophetic” and a “sign” that Laura has been chosen by God to be some new thing. As Ron has already twisted Scripture so insanely far that his members will believe any nonsense that comes from his poop splattered mouth, they will buy his (potential/actual) death as part of “God’s Plan”.

    JUST SO HE DOESN’T GET THIS OUT FIRST AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THIS IS GOD’S PLAN…. I am saying this here and now so the remaining PKG members can see for themselves that an ATHEIST who is anti-religion (me) saw it before Ron did. Then IF Ron or anyone says that this fore knowledge of Ron’s death was given to ME by Satan (because atheism to him is evil), the PKG can also see that (1) RON:S IMAGINARY GOD couldn’t see it coming, and (2) instead of Satan revealing Ron’s death here , maybe it is God Himself working in some mysterious way to get the knowledge of Ron’s twisted plan out ahead. They still may not believe it, BUT at least Ron now CAN’T pull the “my death is a sign of prophecy” card… without us having SEEN IT COMING.

    SORRY RON… I BEAT YOU TO THE PUNCH… I hope you don’t die, and do not want you to die… as your false ministry is indeed collapsing and failing by your own misguided hand. But if you do die… I/we called out your falsehoods before/after the event.

    YET ANOTHER WEINLAND FAIL.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    REMEMBER:

    If Ron says that his possible/eventual death is a PHYSICAL fulfillment of the Two Witness narrative, then of course he will cherry pick that ONE occurance (his death) while the other remain spiritual. But if it is all spiritual then Ron CAN’T die of a heart attack or kidney failure, etc.:

    1. He MUST be attacked, overpowered, and killed by Something (“The Beast”) that comes up from an abyss.

    2. Lay in a PUBLIC square (no matter how he spins the place where he dies as “Sodom and Egypt”… even though it MUST be the place where Jesus died (outside of the OLD walled city of Jerusalem).

    3. He MUST then STAND UP after three days, and the general public MUST hear a LOUD VOICE FOM HEAVEN (the heavens/sky) say “Come Up”..then HE must go UP in a CLOUD.

    4. Then 1/10th of the city COLLAPSES, so Jerusalem or Cincinnati or wherever he is MUST physically fall apart…then 7000 people die.

    4. So no matter how you spin it, if it is all spiritual then it is ALL figurative language a NONE of the Two Witness story occurs physically, like Ron said last time. This time HE SAID it was physical, so it MUST be physical if he DIES and it is “prophetic”.

    SUMMARY:

    1. Something physically attacks, overpowers him , and kills him; some THING physical from the OUTSIDE of Ron’s body (NOT his heart).

    2. It is PUBLIC.

    3. He STANDS UP.

    4. A physical CLOUD whisks him away.

    5. A massive earthquake occurs RIGHT then.

    6. 7000 other people must DIE from thus earthquake.

    No cloud, no Beast, no Ron resurrection, no earthquake, no 1/10th of a city, no 7000 dead = Ron is STILL the criminal tax evading false prophet he has always been.

    7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great cityβ€”which is figuratively called Sodom and Egyptβ€”where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

    11 But after the three and a half days the breath[b] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, β€œCome up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

    13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

  • martin says:

    I had contemplated the same thing, that they would twist this episode (especially if he dies) as a sort of fulfillment of the death of the Two Witnesses.

    This despite the fact that it in no way, shape or form, does it fit the narrative in Revelation 11 correctly or even closely.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Not that I’m wishing it Martin, but wouldn’t Laura have to die too?? It says there will be the death of TWO witnesses……not just one and the other lives on!

    Avalo, you summed things up perfectly…….this wouldn’t surprise me coming from Ron in the least.

  • martin says:

    Yes, but since Ron is the spokesman for the Two Witnesses, they could construe the one death as applying for both of them.

  • freeatlast says:

    don’t you all see – whatever Ron says is ABSOLUTE! like the Pope is infallible
    YYUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK!

  • Ronco says:

    Martin, you just don’t get it- Ron and his system MUST prevail, right or wRong.

    https://torah.org/torah-portion/ravfrand-5768-shoftim/

    β€œEven if they are in error about a certain matter, it is inappropriate for us to dispute them and we should go along with their error.”

  • martin says:

    The last 2 audio sermons have not been archived on the site.

    It’s unusual, as they are archived very quickly most of the time….nothing major, but interesting none the less.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Good point, Martin!

    They could pretend Ron represents a dual death, but then YOU called it before he does! So he can’t say it is God Given… when God gave it to us here FIRST! Why would God give his enemies prophecy that Ron failed to see? Unless Ron’s god is Satan… or imaginary!

    1. So we called Ron;s death as prophecy BEFORE Ron.

    2. We also called Ron’s death as symbolic of BOTH Witnesses dying.

    Anyone else got a line on another false connection between Ron and his possible/inevitable health crisis?

    Personally, I hope he lives to see his church vaporize after 2019… and he is left with a few hardcore members who are then fooled into thinking the next stupid prophecy is true! πŸ™‚

  • martin says:

    Does anybody remember if he went to Jerusalem in the last week of the 2012 date?

    I forget if he did or didn’t.

    I think he visited some tourist attractions and ate some Jerusalem steak while in some swanky 4 star hotel….

    That’s what I remember, does anybody else remember if he did or didn’t go to become a martyr?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron went to Jerusalem twice in 2008, once for the start of the first time line to Trumpets of 2011 and again for the start of the 2nd timeline to Pentecost of 2012. Those are the last times I’m aware of any visits there.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    weinland isn’t dead yet, but he may be close to it.

    I would prefer, as it was stated, that weinland stay alive long enough to see his “lying scheme” come crashing down around him. No doubt it will be this that will end his pitiful life.

    The biblical narrative of the two witnesses in revelation is plain and simple and cannot be changed; it is already authored. If someone chooses to believe this deceiver weinland then so be it. But I know this, his end will come and the sooner the better!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    So if Weinland should meet his end in the near future, would the Silent Witness and the Replacement Witness (Laura and Audra) be able to keep it together? Was told once by someone who knew Laura that she was “sharp as a river rock and twice as dense”. How long before PKG disintegrates or is taken over by someone else?

  • Fooled No More says:

    And the question still remains……..where’s Wayne?? Also, I find it curious that last weeks sermon by Johnny has NOT been posted as Martin has mentioned. Usually it’s always up within hours after it’s been aired.

    Something’s up for sure!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The only viable candidate is Wayne Matthews.

    PKG has to have a “voice” to maintain the membership. However, I do not believe that Wayne would be stupid enough to claim to be a witness along side of the gossip queen laura. If he did, I am sure a money war would begin with laura. This would put Wayne in a position to take over pkg and make any demands he wants to.

    Jeremy, audra, or johnny do not have the “voice” to carry it through.

  • freeatlast says:

    it seems to me that since they started the youtube as well as audio, the sermons have NOT been posted quickly as before. So that is not something I would be concerned about. or an indication that something is afoot. but afoot there definitely something be! the drama continues. . .

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The soap opera continues “As PKG Turns” Tune in next week for the next episode.

  • freeatlast says:

    unless “breaking news” changes everything!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I just something very interesting. Just google October 22, 1844 “the great disappointment” (wikipedia)

    this sounds like weinland and how he bases his numerology.

  • Ronco says:

    Ah, William Miller, father of it all…

    Don’t forget May 21, 2011.

  • Fooled No More says:

    VERY interesting read EIE! In fact, this should be required reading for every remaining member of PKG——if they dare!

    At least William Miller only tried twice. Ron’s on his 3rd/4th try now??

    Good grief!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Remember that Laura doesn’t like Wayne, or more importantly his wife. Even going so far as not having them stay at their house, but Johnny and wife does.

  • Excogger says:

    Wayne and Chris are nice people. Maybe its their Aussie accents.

    Lighten up, Laura. These two have been faithful and dedicated PKG members for many years, supporting you and Ron without reservation.

    Are they some sort of threat to you or No. 3 in the Universe?? Surely your god will sort them out if that is the case, Or not: he seems pretty impotent these days…..

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excogger, I couldn’t agree more! I’ve met Wayne and Chris several times in the past, and they couldn’t have been nicer! Laura is one of those kind of people that can’t stand to be “upstaged”. She surely would be upstaged by Chris as Chris is not a backbiting, gossiping shrill like she is.

    Chris has waaaaay more class than Laura, and you know she just can’t have that around!

    Glad I’m Free, that’s very interesting to know! One of the times I ran into Wayne and Chris was when they flew into Cincy a number of years ago. Ron and Laura live not that far from the hotel where we had services, and to think that they wouldn’t host two of their brethren in their home??

    Wow! You can best believe there’s some animosity there!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I personally know Wayne and Chris and I will agree that they are a great couple. Wayne has an outgoing and a personable personality. I have always enjoyed Wayne and Chris company when they were in the US.

    When I was a captive in pkg everyone knew that gossip queen laura has some personal issues with Wayne and Chris. It was to the point that Chris would have nothing to do with the gossip queen laura. No doubt it was Wayne’s popularity with the membership.

    The weinland’s personality was always condescending and the gossip queen would scold the members for a variety of things when she was the biggest hypocrite of all and everyone knew it.

    Wayne has the personality and popularity to be a real threat to the weinlands and the gossip queen knows this!! I have heard through the grapevine that some of the membership in Australia have taken a stance and have communicated to Wayne that it better happen this time or there will be consequences!

    I am sure that weinland cannot enter Australia because he is a convicted felon and it would require special permission from the government to allow him to enter the country. Then, one has to question weinland’s claim of being a witness because if this were so he would be able to because God would make the way – right!? Well, it has not happened and this to me is an issue because of what weinland claims to be. Weinland has no power to influence the government of Australia!!! Maybe this is beginning to resonate in Australia and Wayne will have to answer for it. It would not surprise me if Wayne is beginning to realize he can no longer protect and make excuses for all of weinland’s lies.

    We will see

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Why is Australia being ignored?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Does Australia have s designated feast site – anyone?

    If not, that would be a costly trip to the US.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    While we are at it. What about Hawaii (if there are any members left)?

  • freeatlast says:

    EIE – same for Canada – Weinland is not welcome there – could Wayne have taken over Australia and New Zealand to himself? away from Ron?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    freeatlast:

    I have my suspicions. “IF” it is true, this will be a major blow to the weinland crime syndicate!

  • martin says:

    Wayne, if he’s not supportive of Ron anymore, should just put out a sermon on how Ron is false.

    2017 is half over, there’s been more than plenty enough of time, for Ron to prove what he says he is. Not only has there been zero proof, a lot of things have happened that are completely opposite of what Ron has said, which is a humorous way of showing that God is not with Ron in any way, shape or form.

    Ron said there would be no presidents…well that was completely and utterly wrong. At one point Ron tried to backtrack and say that it was not a prophecy. Which is nonsense.

  • martin says:

    When Christ was asked, if He was “the one”, Christ listed His fruits….proofs of ministry and claims…..

    People healed, demons cast out, people raised from the dead……etc…etc…

    There was also a host of prophecies that Christ fulfilled to the ‘t’.

    Ron’s proof: he said so.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, Wayne coming out with a sermon exposing Ron as false would be EPIC!!

    Doubt it’ll happen though, but who knows! Or………….Wayne could give a sermon on false teachers and prophets and not actually name Ron as such, but everyone would know what was up. Interesting that Wayne has never mentioned, endorsed, or referred to 2019 ever since Ron came out with that falseness.

    We’ve been treated to some surprises lately, and I’m of the mind that there are more to come!

    I got plenty of popcorn to keep on watchin’! πŸ˜‰

  • freeatlast says:

    I just checked and Wayne did have a sermon “Remember Me” on May 27, 2017 lead up to Pentecost. and the drama continues . . .

  • Fooled No More says:

    Oh OK………….missed that one! πŸ˜‰

    And yes Freeatlast—–the drama will go on and on no matter who’s in charge!

  • martin says:

    It would be fantastic, if one of these guys would grow a pair, and put out a sermon, and explain how 10 ways to Sunday, Ron is a complete false prophet.

    Ron saying he is one of the Two Witnesses is equivalent to a person saying he is George Washington. He is George Washington based on his say so and nothing else, no DNA analysis, no other proof of any kind….just his say so.

    Ron the tax thief and cheat (there’s proof for that), has zero proof for his credentials.

  • freeatlast says:

    yes, Martin it would be great if Wayne or Johnny would but alas, neither will most likely – they are only followers.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Just as William Miller had his “Great Disappointment” on October 22, 1844

    Weinland will have his “Great Disappointment” on June 9, 2019

    This is what weinland will have to face and it is coming soon!!

  • freeatlast says:

    hey Ron – well into your 1260 days – nothing is happening as you said – give it up and admit your lies

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The “GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT 2019” is coming coming coming!!!!!

    When will the great false prophet weinland yell out to all the world to proclaim the “Great Disappointment of 2019”!!??

  • Excogger says:

    Joy of joys!
    The transcript of Johnny’s sermon for last week is posted. Just need to take my meds before scanning it…
    Yes!!! Johnny’s New Favourite Word has been used in just the third sentence!
    For those of you who are not aware, the Hubble telescope has been relegated to second place by “oblivious”.

    These legalistic, religious babblers can be so entertaining for trivia lovers.

    I am sure you are a much loved child of God, Johnny, but how I (and others) wish you would desist from inflicting your well-intentioned oracular attempts on a captive audience. Somehow it’s all been said before….ad nausium.

    Just Pharisaism in the 21st century.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The ones who are “oblivious” are weinland, johnny, and wayne!!!

    The “Great Disappointment of 6/9/2019” is coming!!!!

    What will you say then Johnny!!?? By the way, are you afraid to mention that “date” of your “great disappointment” that is coming your way!? It seems that you are! If you and the rest are so confident in that date then SAY IT!!

    From my point of view you do not have the confident to do so, especially, when your clown leader weinland uses the phrase, “I hope that is the date of Christ’s return”. Doesn’t sound to confident to me!

    Note: weinland made that statement in one of his sermons nor does he (weinalnd) even mention that “date” anymore. Why? Because he knows it is not true! The only thing that is true is that it will be the “great disappointment of 6/9/2019”!! You cannot hide from this one weinland – it is coming and you will be that “fool” once again!!!

  • freeatlast says:

    this answers the Wayne question – he is giving the pre-recorded sermon tomorrow

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmm, weinland is still not speaking, interesting.

    Thanks for the update freeatlast. I wonder if wayne will mention the date of the great disappointment of of 6/9/2019?

  • freeatlast says:

    listened to beginning and end of Wayne’s sermon and there was no referrence to Falsie!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmmm – they have their doubts too!

    It’s getting late into the game – better come up with something weinland!

    Here it comes!! THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT OF 6/9/2019 and weinland owns it!!!

  • Ronco says:

    Ronald and all his friends are here!
    Nothing but sunshine and lollypops in McWeinland-land…

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