Take Action

“Take Action” is the name of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s newest sermon series.  The action he is discussing is a church-wide fast, but not anything Two-Witness like.  There is a mention of heat — but not from fire emanating either from his mouth or the Silent Witness.  Rather, it is a reference to the weather and that now PKG members are allowed to wear more casual clothes when coming before God.

In previous sermons, he has indicated that he will be going to Europe for the feast instead of Australia which he has done in the years 2008 through 2011.  In 2012 he spent the feast in the basement of his mansion on the golf course wearing a GPS ankle bracelet because he had been convicted of criminal tax fraud and was awaiting sentencing.  In 2013, 2014, and 2015 God placed his name on the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Institute where Ron was incarcerated.  This year it seems that he can’t get a visa for New Zealand and Australia because of his conviction with other countries like Canada and the UK also unwilling to have him visit.  No doubt he will soon exercise his Witness power to call down plagues on countries that reject him.

It’s been May since Ron posted on his blog, and April since my last post.  The number of comments on that post has grown to over 300 so this one can be used to continue conversations.

On a personal note, I obviously have been much less involved with this blog although I do monitor what’s going on. I grew up in Armstrongism in the 60s while it was still called the Radio Church of God.  I rejected Armstrongism before Herbie’s Great Tribulation failed to materialize in 1972.  Since then I’ve led my on life including having a family and a successful technical career.  I began blogging in 2008 before the first time Ron’s Great Tribulation failed to start.    This has been an opportunity for me to work through my own personal experiences in Armstrongism and have decided to focus on other things.  I will keep the blog open, and continue to monitor things.  If Ron does something Witness-like I would start up again unless that Witness-like thing is the enforcement of the death curse he issued twice in 2008.

 

377 Comments

  • martin says:

    There are a number of rules in the OT (restated in NT) regarding witnesses….

    Ron is clueless about them.

    The reason there are 2 Witnesses is because that is the biblical requirement when a death penalty was to be executed. The 2 Witnesses will kill there enemies, thus the need for 2 of them.

    Also the bible condemns any kind of death judgment on the basis of only one witness.

    Since Laura is a “silent witness”, Ron condemns himself and any “actions” he may do, since the indictment of only one witness is not enough and does not meet the biblical requirements in cases that might demand a death penalty.

    No, Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and false witness.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    A word of advise to the remaining members of false prophet weinland’s cult.

    If you are beginning to have some doubts about your false leader. I recommend that you get in contact with the ones you know who have left. I assure you that all of the answers of those who left will give you the same reason.

    Deut 18:22 ron weinland is a lying false prophet!!

    Give it a try, the results may surprise you.

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    Thank you, Byker Bob, for speaking about women. The fact that the old timers (and most of the cult) regarded women as having no rights to a speaking role in church bothered the be-geebers out of me while I was in the cult. It was so male dominated it was repulsive. Now, I know most don’t agree with me…I know I am only one – but that bit really got me and still does. (And just in case you are wondering, no I am not one of those pink hat marchers out there nowadays!) 😀

    Ruby

  • Byker Bob says:

    Thank you, Ruby!

    And just think what a huge insult it is to Armstrongism that the chancellor of Germany during the Trump era is a woman!

    Can we all imagine what a chop it would be to HWA if the Beast ended up being a woman? Never underestimate a lady, guys! They think and breathe, and can be just as effective as men, if given the opportunity.

    BB

  • Randy says:

    My mom saves ever penny she can , and the money whore spends it as fast as she can !!!

  • martin says:

    This thread is getting long in the tooth, I hope Mike starts up a fresh new blog post soon.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    The problem is the fearful false prophet weinland is keeping a low profile. He has a problem, his latest 2019 prediction is being exposed for what it is – FALSE!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, a former PKG’er and I were just talking about this very thing recently. Here we are in February ’17, and of course no earth shattering events have yet happened. But the folks who are still there in PKG just sit by and let time and life pass them by.

    I’d have to think (and hope) in the back of their minds that a lot of them know something is dreadfully wrong, and Ron has lied (been lying) to them yet again. Or as we’ve mentioned before, they’re too scared to leave, and hoping upon hope that somehow, someway Ron will be right.

    Well, I’d like for my cats to start talking but all the wishin’ in the world ain’t gonna make that happen! If they did, believe me I wouldn’t be here in the early morning typing away, I’d be out rollin’ in the dough making some big bucks off of them! 😀

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More:

    It took me over a year to leave weinland’s cult. The reason being I was giving it some time to prove itself wrong. Once I got to that point, I LEFT QUICKLY!!!!

    I am of the opinion that is what is taking place with many of the remaining members. They are simply giving it some more time to prove itself wrong. The fearful false prophet weinland is on his third or fourth colossal failure of Christ’s return. I understand that there will be some who will remain no matter what, they are ones who suffer from grey matter deficiency, but, there are others who are approaching the “enough is enough” conclusions. More power to them!!

    Here we are sixteens months into the current lie and failure of the fearful false prophet weinland’s prediction of Christ’s return in 2019. Come June 4th of this year, the fearful false prophet will be down to two years!! I wonder how he is going to spin his lying failure once again.

    The good news is I am free of this clown weinland and recently a good friend of mine passed away and is now free of this lying thief weinland. Too bad for you weinland!! Less money for you, you thieving bastard!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Also that would mean that the fearful false prophet weinland has only twenty six (26) months to prove himself!

    BETTER GET WITH IT WEINLAND ~ TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR YOU!!!!

    LIES LIES AND MORE LIES!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Thinking back , I wish I had had the courage to leave in 2012 after his big failure. I stuck it out for one more year, even though I could clearly see thru the vail of lies at that point. It took me two more months after that, because I knew it was a final decision. When my husband and I both knew it was the right thing to do, we also left quickly without any fanfare. Looking back I don’t know why it was so difficult, only that I had stuck around for so long and was afraid of making the wrong decision. It’s the same reason many women stay with abusive spouses. Where to go, what to do? You take vows and they mean something at least to you. I can imagine very few ever look back fondly after it’s over, but some women stay and stay always hoping for a miracle even though they realize it’s never going to happen. Its hard to think you may have ruined or wasted your life. You don’t need others to make you happy and you don’t need instructions from men on how to have a loving relationship with God.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Spoken well Ozy!

    From your post, I see we left at about the same time. GOOD FOR US AND THE OTHERS WHO LEFT!!!!!

  • hawkeye says:

    sad thing is wienland has done more to harm and hurt the real church than anyone else in history and that include armstrong ….hope he is reading this or that whoever is will get the word to him ..lets see if he can somehow refute the vicious pact of true facts this site presents ..other than just saying there are groups out there who hate us …does he ever wonder why ?

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE and Ozy, good for you that you wasted no time in getting away from COG-PKG! It would take me nearly three years after May 27, 2012 to realize that I had enough and needed to get away. Actually, I began to have some serious reservations not long after the Feast in ’14 and the vaunted “November 6th” date which was supposed to start the “Year of Dedication” (remember that one??).

    I got the very nagging feeling that things were just dragging along for no good reason, and throw in the physical and financial difficulties I was having, I literally woke up on early Sunday morning on March 8, ’15, and sent a letter to all parties involved that I no longer wanted to be a part of PKG. Best things I’ve done in years!

    Ozy, you hit the nail on the head. I do think from time to time all the things I missed out on while I was in PKG. The many get-togethers with family including the memorial service at my Dad’s home after he died which happened to fall on Day of Atonement, and I was told that I shouldn’t go to it. Looking back I should have gone because a couple of my folks that were there are no longer with us.

    Hawkeye, I do believe Ron has visited us and quite recently. Remember “Cool Aid Man”?? I can’t prove this but the more I think about it, the more I believe that was indeed him posing as just some lurker who just had to make a comment. I distinctly remember Ron being quite adamant about us going to sites like these and reading what’s here, let alone making a comment. I do know of a couple that did see this site particularly during the trial, but commenting? Never!

    Interesting how he’s not come back after making his “debut” eh??

  • martin says:

    A little review of Ronald Weinland’s train wreck of thoughts….

    In regards to the Day of the Lord….(DOTL)

    Originally as the last year of the first 3 1/2 years approached….Ron came up with some cock and bull story about the DOTL being the “pre-face” of something or other, he did this because when the last year began nothing happened, so he had to pull out this cockamamie story.

    Then as nothing continued to happen, he shifted over to explaining how the DOTL was a literal 24 hours long. After all nukes can do what nukes do, and do it quickly.

    Then that day came and nothing happened, so Ron shifted back to the old view that the DOTL was a year long. Then that came and went. So Ron decided there were 2 Day(s?) of the Lord. Then 6 months went by and nothing happened so Ron came up with the brilliant idea that the DAY part of the DOTL was the latter 6 months, and the first 6 months was the “night” portion of the DOTL.

    Still nothing.

    Then Ron came up with his brilliant numerological crap, which had numerous mathematical date errors and calculations. Eventually arriving at the 2019 date.

    Don’t be surprised if nothing Ron says happens.

  • martin says:

    Now here is one important point most in PKG will not consider, since they give up their thinking to another.

    A broken clock is correct twice a day.

    So it is entirely possible that “things” can happen. For example, the re-instituting of some kind of daily sacrifice by the Jews in Jerusalem. They recently called for all Jews worldwide to pay a yearly temple tax, which in itself is interesting….I don’t know what the response is from Jews worldwide, if they will abide by this edict or not….but it is interesting to say the least.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More:

    I have the same thoughts about the “Cool Aid Man” being the timid false prophet weinland. I really hope he come back to challenge this group. OH WHAT FUN THAT WOULD BE!!!!

    But the problem is that Deut 18:22 is kicking his butt!! There is no FEAR of him and he can’t stand it. Do you now get the picture weinland? You are one laughable living joke!!

    Remember when the timid false prophet weinland proclaimed all the death cures on those who opposed him? Remember that nothing happened. Well it is all because of Deut 18:22. Remember when this fearful false prophet weinland tried to explain Deut 18:22 away? Well Well Well he is cursed by it!!!

    Love seeing it and will continue to watch weinland twist in the wind over all his “lies lies and more lies”.

  • martin says:

    I believe that “Cool Aid Man” was one of the upper acolytes.

    Was it Ron himself? Perhaps.

  • Maybe a broken clock is right twice a day, but I’m not going to rely on it to tell me the time.

    And Weinland is certainly worthless when it comes to telling the times we live in.

    Does that make him broken?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    I do question the genetics.

  • Enough is Enough, trust the genetics, just don’t trust the people who push magic off as science.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    Point well taken and noted.

  • Byker Bob says:

    They actually have to lie about things from science and history to continue propping up Armstrongism. And we know that they have also lied about prophecy. Or, being kinder, they have presented inaccurate information. Not just little twiggy things, either! They’ve really told some major whoppers over the years! And, there are so many who give them a pass on it. It’s is as if they are saying, “We know that they have lied about prophecy, about science, about history, and they’ve also lied to cover up their own misdeeds. But, we’re going to trust them for our spiritual information and doctrines.”

    There is just no explaining that sort of thinking!

    BB

  • Excogger says:

    BB

    I have an explanation, of sorts.
    There exist some folks who are convinced that in order to be “saved” they must observe/obey certain Commandments. They also accept that Ron, or whoever, is God’s spokesman and THE intermediary between One True Church members and God, i.e., Jesus Christ has effectively been replaced by Ron in the thinking/mindset of PKG members. They believe he represents and enforces the rulings and teachings of the “Government of God” (whatever that is!). He alone is the repository of all “Present Truth”, and obviously has full authority to change scripture to suit his current doctrines and pronouncements.

    So sad, and so evil

  • Byker Bob says:

    Yes it is sad and evil, Excogger! Because of the doctrines on authority, and truth revealed only through the ministry, lay members feel a huge psychological barrier against making a few simple tests, like about the lies I mentioned. It’s almost as if catching your “apostle” in a lie is automatic Lake of Fire not for your “apostle” but for you! In Armstrongism and some other cults, it is the equivalent of a mortal sin to evaluate (discern) members of the ministry. When we here admonish Weinland’s people to hold Ron accountable, some of them believe that the mere suggestion of that is blasphemous. They are wrong! No human has that much power over any of us!

    BB

  • Excogger says:

    ” When we here admonish Weinland’s people to hold Ron accountable, some of them believe that the mere suggestion of that is blasphemous. They are wrong! No human has that much power over any of us!”

    BB – How true!

    Perhaps one day, hopefully soon, many people caught in the snare and curse of religion will realise they have been conned, controlled and manipulated by mere mortals posing as spiritual authorities.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is obvious to ex-members and those here to recognize that this is a money game with weinland. It has its own end.

    I am of the opinion that eventually most in weinland’s cult will come to the conclusion that they have been played for fools. It is based on what evidence do they have to prove weinland is what he claims to be. It is not there!! It is a simple question to them, “show me the proof”!!

    I do agree that an ivory tower has been built by weinland and he has imprisoned the current members there. However, the winds of reality will prevail against the ivory tower and bring it to the ground. It is just a matter of time.

    weinland has built a village (not an empire) on lies and fasehoods. Liars are devious and foolish and will eventually meet their end. weinland is one of these!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Somehow, when everything got divvied up, apparently brand names emerged. It’s difficult, since I wasn’t travelling in those circles any more, to understand how people made their choices as to which “brand” to buy into, but I imagine that some went with the predominant one in their areas, others went along with major friends or family, and others based their decisions on the charisma of certain ministers. There were probably some that imagined that this one or the other had certain truths or understandings that the others lacked.

    What appears to have happened is that around 1995, when the splinters were fresh, most of them held to the basic model of the church that suddenly no longer existed because of the reforms and corrections. With the passage of time, the true colors of the then new leaders began to come into focus, as they began to stamp their smaller groups with their own personalities. Most of the leaders went on a weirdo gradually, after they had solidified their core of followers. Habit patterns which are very difficult to break had already taken over. Others have commented over the years that this phenomenon is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome. That is one explanation as to how members would allow and mentally justify following cruel leaders, title-takers (apostle, prophet, etc), those who spewed one failed false prophecy after the other, and those who fleeced the members and enriched themselves.

    It is the sort of thing that one really must come to see as an outsider in order to have a realistic perspective. Ousiders are allowed to evaluate it, and they can see it all from a logical, and objective view point. It is something that a former member (victim) is unable to be dispassionate about, because there is still residual pain, and a sense of betrayal over having been lied to and take for a ride.

    BB

  • It is instructive to watch Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath is a documentary series aired by A&E. The documentary shows a framework of cults that’s applicable across the board and explains the devotion that people have to their cult.

    The irony is that people in the PKG could watch all 9 episodes and agree with the conclusions, but not have a clue that Ronald Weinland is so very like David Miscavige (without the charisma, sophistication and flair, of course) that their base personalities aren’t that far apart. Both come from a cult founder and seized control, again with Miscavige pulling it off to better effect (for himself) than Weinland did.

    Both evil; both deceptive; both abusive. One actually served a prison term.

    Not that far apart.

    And the PKG is totally blind to it.

    It’s time they took an objective look to the outside to figure out what’s on the inside.

    It would be great if someone like Leah got out there and ran a successful series on Weinland. But if anyone does, go for A&E if you can and skip TLC after how they treated Flora Jessop after she left the FLDS (you can see a remnant at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2JE1OPXi8).

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… It is something that a former member (victim) is unable to be dispassionate about, because there is still residual pain, and a sense of betrayal over having been lied to and take for a ride …” BB

    I agree to a point.

    Once a victim has moved on from the pain and betrayal part of the experience the learned development of a perspective to see the deception becomes clearly understood. Understanding that experience is the great teacher. It is true that some never get beyond the betrayal and can not see the value of the experience. But those that have gain an insightful understanding of these type of deceivers now have the ability to protect themselves from these human parasites, and hopefully, will be able to pass this on to others to always question these self proclaimed religious charlatans.

    The anger and betrayal is extremely difficult to deal with, but it can be done. In the end, for some, a direct confrontation that will resolve the issue. This is what weinland fears the most!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    It may be the psychological fear of being left behind. Even though all of your friends are heading down the wrong path and you know it, you may follow along for fear of being left behind. You can be right and all alone or wrong and still be part of something. In leaving WWCG we were indeed happy to have like minded people with us. Somehow psychologically we feel if everyone is doing something it must be correct. People always look to see who else is doing something to help make up their mind. If their friends or people that they respect are still hanging on they serve as inspiration to those teetering on the brink. This can be a good thing in life, but in this situation makes it difficult to admit things are incorrect or inconsistent. Something major will have to take place before they split again.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Right. I vacillate. I try to see the positive value in that it has immunized me against being scammed again, but there are also lasting borderline Axis II disorders as outlined in DSM IV. It takes a while to counteract those.

    And, you never totally get rid of the PTSD caused by a childhood in Armstrongism. Bad religion! Toxic faith!

    BB

  • The anger and betrayal is extremely difficult to deal with, but it can be done

    And in spite of “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord,” there is nothing more satisfying than a well-planned sophisticated long game successful richly-deserved revenge, often made better when the scoundrel doesn’t know what hit them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How sweet it is, DB!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    My anger is only with myself for going along with things for so long. I was taught that it was my attitude or state of mind that was faulty. One of Rons favorite lines was that if you found fault, the fault was with you. This way they all got away with everything and no one questioned. They could spend, gossip, play favorites, and blame it all on you if you ever questioned any of it. How very convenient for them it turned out. We will all beat ourselves up a little for the rest of our lives, but every day we are free is a great triumph over them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… every day we are free is a great triumph over them …” Ozy

    That is my whole point!! Question this liar weinland, take it to him!!! Believe me, weinland will crumble under the confrontation!!

    It is the cowardice on the member’s part that gives him his influence over them. Break the influence and weinland becomes nothing!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Even partial freedom is good, but in a sense, so long as anyone is still scammed and enslaved, we can’t be 100% free from it. It needs to go away in all forms, even the ones that appear benign.

    BB

  • Byker Bob, there is one very important thing that hasn’t been covered yet, and it’s on the agenda to do so: Briefly, Armstrongism as a cult follows the alcoholism model. It is particularly bad for the children.

    Let’s take an hypothetical example. An alcoholic father abandons his children after work to go down to the local tavern, where he spends hours and hours with his alcoholic ‘buddies’ while the children at home assume that dad is still working hard at his job, but really isn’t. In fact, he needs alcohol to fuel him to be able to do any kind of job since he’s between the second and third stages of alcoholism. They grow up with an essentially absent father who at minimum neglects them and at worst abuses them with assault. Life for everyone in this dysfunctional family becomes arbitrary with the children trying to make sense of life abandoned to their own devices. Mother may also may or may not be an alcoholic, which compounds the problem. If she’s not, she has to cope with an untenable situation.

    This can and often does set up a new dynamic: Role reversal. Mom might start treating her son as the spouse and the husband as the child. This actually happened in Spokane with an alcoholic as the centerpiece of the Worldwide Church of God there.

    Now, let’s relocate this and expand it to the Herbert Armstrong Empire. Herbert, Loma, GTA and Richard David were all alcoholics. Amusing it was to find John Ovrier mention about Herbert Armstrong drinking a 12 pack during a church wide fast. Herbert Armstrong practiced role reversal with Dorothy, making her the spouse and relegating Loma to being the child. But guess what, as he built the cult of the Radio Church of God, he expanded this little family shop of horrors to an entire church congregation. He became the addiction for quite the number of followers, so that even if people weren’t boozing alcoholics, they acted like it to ‘spend time’ with their ‘drinking buddy’, Herbert Armstrong to hang on his every word and neglect the rest of their families. Many also went into role reversals, making Herbert Armstrong the spouse and treating their mates as children. We see this dynamic very clearly with Ronald Weinland and the PKG.

    The Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia is very much the sociological model of alcoholism, as I suspect it is the case with pretty much every cult, whether the members of those cults drink or not. It’s the obsession that’s the killer of sanity and rationality that leads to dysfunctional chaos.

    The best way to counter this is, first, if you drink alcohol, stop — just stop. Follow the Luker challenge which says that if you say you can do without it, prove it. Secondly, abandon your obsession with the cult leader(s) and, like “Take Back Your Life” tells us, learn all about your leader(s) and find all their faults and problems. It will help a lot in getting over him (or her) if you begin to see the person(s) as they really are. You can stop worshipping them and committing idolatry any time you will, if only you can work through your addiction to them. See them for the pathetic loser abusers they really are. It is, after all, the leadership that’s the core of the problem.

    Unfortunately, people excuse themselves by saying, “I don’t follow a man”. Rubbish. Such people are still following and obeying Herbert Armstrong even though he’s been dead for decades.

    It’s time to give up the addiction.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Regarding following a man, in the days of old, if the WCG members were honest about what picture came into their minds while they were thinking of God, He pretty much resembled HWA. Unfortunately the byproduct of this was that Jesus took a backseat to HWA. If Herb, or any of the others truly were ministers of Jesus Christ, they would be self-effacing about it, as was John the Baptist. We live in times when the leaders of the Armstrong movement brag about themselves and their works. If they inject that level of human flaw into their ministries, the rest will also be contaminated, flawed, and cursed, and it will automatically follow that they will prophesy presumptuously (that’s what their pride and ego automatically leads to), and it will fail.

    BB

  • Eric says:

    The second coming od Jesus Christ just around the corner and the most powerful prophet of all time has got some very important information for his members to take heed of and follow in the latest sermon –

    “Just like this stupid thing around the neck! I’m looking forward to the time when we no longer have that one. It’s the dumbest thing in the world. Choke yourself off. Choke yourself off at the neck, you know, not have good flow to the brain. I need all I can get and I can’t get it all cause of the stupid tie.”

    Yup, ties get mentioned in his sermons yet again and blood is not flowing to his brain. He needs all he can get and he’s not getting enough! Then long hair of which we will hear more about in the future-

    “And generally we just start with the physical and can’t get past that, like we’re going to get into eventually in this series, whether it be partially this Sabbath or next Sabbath, but about hair length and what it means. We’ve never really understood what it meant. Awesome! But there are certain things there that God has given to learn lessons from and we generally tend to focus in on the physical more than anything else.”

    Hair length is awesome and not understood! Then followed up by clothes advertising –

    I’ll throw this one out; it’s a great big advertisement for Costco. My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re not going to find anything that’s good quality there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. Cheapest. Incredible. I’ve put some money into those things in times past and they haven’t worked out. Anyway, got a little distracted. There you go, Costco.

    To be fair, believe it or not, I think some of his material on the emancipation of woman in this sermon was quite a good even though he has a hidden agenda behind it. However hen I look at his sermons and especially stuff like the above council I think he has lost his way inside as a prophet. He knows its not going to happen. He stopped putting up sign posts because the more that go past as time passes, the more he is loosing the confidence of his members.

    In the mean time his members are well prepared for the calamity that is coming very soon: They won’t be wearing ties, they will have their hair is a particular way and they will be wearing Costco socks and clothes.

  • Eric says:

    The second coming of Jesus Christ just around the corner and the most powerful prophet of all time has got some very important information for his members to take heed of and follow in the latest sermon –

    “Just like this stupid thing around the neck! I’m looking forward to the time when we no longer have that one. It’s the dumbest thing in the world. Choke yourself off. Choke yourself off at the neck, you know, not have good flow to the brain. I need all I can get and I can’t get it all cause of the stupid tie.”

    Yup, ties get mentioned in his sermons yet again and blood is not flowing to his brain. He needs all he can get and he’s not getting enough! Then long hair of which we will hear more about in the future-

    “And generally we just start with the physical and can’t get past that, like we’re going to get into eventually in this series, whether it be partially this Sabbath or next Sabbath, but about hair length and what it means. We’ve never really understood what it meant. Awesome! But there are certain things there that God has given to learn lessons from and we generally tend to focus in on the physical more than anything else.”

    Hair length is awesome and not understood! Then followed up by clothes advertising –

    I’ll throw this one out; it’s a great big advertisement for Costco. My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re not going to find anything that’s good quality there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. Cheapest. Incredible. I’ve put some money into those things in times past and they haven’t worked out. Anyway, got a little distracted. There you go, Costco.

    To be fair, believe it or not, I think some of his material on the emancipation of woman in this sermon was quite a good even though he has a hidden agenda behind it. However hen I look at his sermons and especially stuff like the above council I think he has lost his way inside as a prophet. He knows its not going to happen. He stopped putting up sign posts because the more that go past as time passes, the more he is loosing the confidence of his members.

    In the mean time his members are well prepared for the calamity that is coming very soon: They won’t be wearing ties, they will have their hair is a particular way and they will be wearing Costco socks and clothes.

  • Eric says:

    And there was something in the back of my mind about his quote that’s been niggling away in my mind. He often gives away information that he doesn’t mean to, it just sort of leaks out. I have just realized the probable implications of what he said –

    “My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re NOT going to find anything that’s GOOD QUALITY, there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. CHEAPEST.

    The second witness is economizing! THE MONEY IS DRYING OUT.

    Wikipedia entry [Costco Wholesale Corporation is an American membership-only warehouse club that provides a wide selection of merchandise. It is the largest membership-only warehouse club in the United States ….. Costco focuses on selling products at low prices, often at very high volume. These goods are usually bulk-packaged and marketed primarily to large families and businesses]

    More evidence of the desperate state of the PKG and the effect it’s having on the Weinlands.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Just a little rant to let his people know he’s just one of them. “See I shop at the same stores you do.” Who cares where his socks come from? Nothing better to preach about than ties and socks? Millions of Costco shoppers , and they’re not special, but he feels it’s a come down to admit he shops at such a lowly store. Doesn’t matter what he says , it comes out better than others.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I agree with you Eric ~ money is getting tight!!!

    Ozy, you have a good point as well. weinland is getting desperate, he needs the cash and is now fishing in a smaller lake. The big bucks are gone and now he is grabbing for quarters!!

    Oh Boo Hoo for weinland the public is now aware of your lying lies!!

    lies lies and more lies

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder when he will have to leave his expensive home on the golf course!? What will happen to all the BMW!? No more $1500 suits from Nostrum!

    OH My! How have you have fallen! Just like the King of Tyre quoted in Isa 14:12-16.

  • Ronco says:

    Will the Gossip Queen(TM) have to buy her bloomers at Costco?

  • No more $1500 suits from Nostrum!

    Which means that if he has to appear in court again, he may have to wear less impressive sheep’s clothing.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ronco,

    I was thinking the same thing. No more fancy expensive boxer shorts for the queen of nothing.

    I wonder if her victoria secrets credit card is cncelled?

  • FedUp says:

    Will Ron be taking credit as one of the Two Witnesses for Rod Meredith’s recent cancer diagnosis?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FedUp:

    That would probably be a long shot for weinland. You have to remember that his curse(s) on the splinter groups was very broad and also including Mike and posters here. Meredith is elderly and is expected to develop life ending disease. If I recollect, I believe the first target was the television presenters that were to be the first to die. Because, it is these television presenters that are in the forefront and stifling weinland quest for notoriety and from becoming the dictatorial ruler over the splinter groups.

    Loser weinland has taken a low profile in order to protect his base which is becoming restive due to the lack of the materialization of his foolish and baseless predictions.

    It will be interesting to see if loser weinland goes there.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Soooo, Ron and Laura are now shopping at Costco eh?? Hmmm…..high time he and she gets to see what it’s been like for COUNTLESS of followers after all their tithe money went down the rathole! EIE as you said, no more “Victoria Secrets”, no more $1700 suits and I have to wonder if they’re still in that fabulous tithe paid home which can be seen here.

    How long will it be before he gives sermons on how great it is to shop at the Salvation Army?? Not knocking them as they serve a purpose, but it just goes to show how rapidly that money train is slowing to a complete halt! 😉

  • Fooled No More says:

    Soooo, Ron and Laura are now shopping at Costco eh?? Hmmm…..high time he and she gets to see what it’s been like for COUNTLESS of followers after all their tithe money went down the rathole! EIE as you said, no more “Victoria Secrets”, no more $1700 suits and I have to wonder if they’re still in that fabulous tithe paid home which can be seen here.

    How long will it be before he gives sermons on how great it is to shop at the Salvation Army?? Not knocking them as they serve a purpose, but it just goes to show how rapidly that money train is slowing to a complete halt! 😉

  • Costco today, living in cardboard boxes over a heat vent tomorrow… or at least some time late this year or next.

    Perhaps the last purchase Weinland makes can be a trench coat. It is a great fashion statement among the poor homeless.

  • Byker Bob says:

    What everyone should realize is that Ron and Laura did not exemplify an aura of royalty, nobility, or cultured old money. They behaved as “nouveau riche”. Old money stays out of trouble, and is self-sustaining. In certain ways, Herb Armstrong successfully emulated old money because as a young man, he had inserted himself into that community, studied it, and learned to emulate it. Authentic and convincing posturing gave an effective bottom to his ministry.

    For most of the people who ever went through Ambassador College, HWA was the only person of his type to which his students had ever been exposed. Some of the “elite” ministry, who appear to have such a taste for the finer things of life actually grew up cleaning up cow slop. So, based on entitlement in the confines of a small unaccredited “college”, they had an opportunity to experience a certain level of wealth, to wear $2,000 suits and to live in homes in exclusive neighborhoods. The thing is, though, that Jesus would be angry at them for enriching themselves at the expense of people who gave because they had been fraudulently convinced that it was an opportunity to do the Father’s work.

    So, while Ron and Laura have discovered Costco, I’d prefer to look in on them a little later in the process, when they’re getting their clothes at Savers, and are driving an old Cadillac that (as Eddie Murphy quipped to Nick Nolte) looks like they got it from “the brothers” when they were finished with it.

    They haven’t completely bottomed out just yet, but stay tuned! Much more to come!

    BB

  • martin says:

    I wonder how much they saved?

    They’re the kind that spend what they have if they can do it, rather than live on a reasonable budget.

    There are people who make minimum wage and have money in the bank, and there are people who have millions that are broke at the end of the month.

  • Byker Bob, you’ve explained very well what I have observed for years. Old money has a totally different approach than the “nouveau riche”.

    The Weinlands are like these people who win millions in the lottery and soon they not only have nothing, but are in terrible debt.

    The lottery winners that go bust are sad and pathetic.

    The Weinlands are just plain maddening.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How True How True

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny,

    I have had you on my mind lately.

    How long are you going to continue to deceive yourself and others in believing that weinland is some sort of savior, he isn’t. All here and others have no doubt that weinland is a fraud and liar. Why the continued participation in the lie?

    It is weinland’s trail of lies, failed predictions of Christ’s return, and not to mention his serving prison time for tax fraud, stealing money. We know, as well, as you that 2019 is not going to happen. Are you going to be part of the new fabricated fairy tale of another date? If so, then that is a sad thing to know and hear.

    Hopefully, soon, you will come to your senses and do the right thing, leave. I am sure that as you get closer to 2019, which will fail, that others in your group will come to their senses and do the right thing and leave. The question is, will you leave also, I hope so.

  • Enough is Enough, Johnny sees Weinland as his best chance to be someone somewhere.

    Without Weinland, where could he go? Who would have him?

    His world of delusion is shrinking and is leaving him with absolutely no future.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Old money people frequently live below their means. They still live well, but they don’t get themselves into the types of trouble that Johnny Depp is in right now, or that Nicholas Cage or Kim Bassinger got into in the past. The Weinlands have made many of the same mistakes that some rock stars and some professional athletes have made. Ron’s jail time isn’t all that different from the down time some celebs have endured in rehab. It should be embarrassing!

    There are others who “won the lottery” by starting their own ACOG franchise. And, they spend as if that’s where the money had come from, the lottery! If it were not for his persuasive abilities, in convincing his followers that he actually owned all of their resources (his “common” doctrine), Dave Pack would be on a greased skid right now. Gerald Flurry probably is already, although word is, he’s doing a little tire kicking on new executive jets. We’ll soon know more about the predicaments in LCG, as Rod Meredith is terminal with cancer. UCG and the COGaWa seem to have more checks and balances in place because they don’t have a singular ACOG celebrity minister exercising absolute power, but they are top heavy in retirement issues surrounding their aging ministry.

    I’m thinking that as more people realize that all of their Amstrong-spawn groups have Weinland-related issues, and as the demographic of the membership continues to grey (and whiten), this particular variation of the lottery or gravy train is going to lose its attractiveness and its power. Your man on the street these days knows more about history, and realizes that teachers for thousands of years have adapted the apocalypses of Daniel and Revelation to their own contemporary times, just upgrading the names of nations and empires to reflect contemporary conditions. So, the famous HWA hook has been neutered.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BB:

    That is an insightful observation.

    UCGIA and COGWA do have the check and balance incorporated into their government. I see this as a good thing. It brings me a great deal of satisfaction to see the ending of these deplorable one man shows!!

    I do not know if UCG and COGWA will be survivors or not. I do know that UCG is not afraid to make changes in the way they do things to adjust to the changing world around them. You are right, the public no longer has an appetite for losers like weinland and the others. A church must have the ability to evolve in order to meet the needs of those who seek it in these times. Dictatorial self proclaiming megalomaniacs no longer will do, yeaaaa!

    I, also, watch these churches to see how they evolve or how they die. Weinland’s cult is dying because their self proclaimed leader is a provable fraud and liar. Plus there is no apparent male heir to his dead and dying village.

    BB, I appreciate your candor in regards in your observations.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    You are probably right about Johnny.

    He is a friend of mine. It is unfortunate that he allows weinland to dictate who he able to talk with. I find it laughable that I could be should a dangerous threat to his faith. But, demagogues like weinland can not afford to have any outside influence that just may have an influence.

    I will be honest with you. I am still and will always be a friend of Johnny because I know him and understand the position he is in. But that doesn’t mean that I write him off as some human debris. Weinland and his family are the detestable human debris and that is where I put my disgust. So, I am still his friend and love to speak with him again. Understanding that I have no regard or respect for weinland and his family.

    If it were in my power, I would help Johnny and others to see the real truth about weinland and his queen of nothing are all about.

  • Byker Bob says:

    EIE,

    Years ago, a biker buddy of mine became a correctional officer in the state prison where we lived. In his orientation week, the trainers stressed how important it is to maintain friends outside of law enforcement. Those friends are able to help the officers stay grounded with normalcy and reality. The ministers in a cult such as Armstrongism are very similar to the correctional officers in a prison in that both environments are closed and cloistered. A friend for Johnny who can express himself or herself, without being beh

  • Byker Bob says:

    Oops, touch screens on an iphone can be a bummer. What I started to say is that someone on the outside who can talk with Johnny without having the very conversation regulated by Ron’s teachings could help Johnny with his grounding. I don’t know the man, but most here have said some good things about him, and wondered how he could still be sticking with Ron. A while ago, one of his friends even published an open letter to him right here on this site.

    BB

  • Ozymandias says:

    EIE, I agree Johnny is a great guy. His wife is also very sweet. There are many such people in Rons church, indeed in all churches that are held captive.We struggle to understand God and what he wants from us , and we doubt ourselves, so we turn to what we perceive as learned men to instruct us ,when they indeed know less than we do. Most of the people in the Cogs are not educated so they are easily led. I include my self in this. Most only have friends in the church, so as BB said we didn’t have a wide enough range of friends. The Gogs for the most part are a closed off group of people. We are taught not to value the education of the world and indeed it is flawed.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The comments about having friends outside of the church environment is right on!! It does alleviate the numbing effect of insular group environments. In some cases, it may even enhance a relationship with God. It provides the contrast that one should not lose sight of and pay attention to. This is the very thing that weinland prevents! He knows that if his followers begin to compare him to others views, he will lose face with them.

    Wow! This is great stuff! This is the very thing that would end weinland immediately.

    Hopefully, the word will get to Johnny that there were good comments made about him here. Maybe, weinland will give him the boot because the ones who know Johnny still speak kindly of him and weinland is still viewed as a lying thief. Oh boo hoo for weinland, no respect among the people at large.

  • Ozymandias says:

    There is a very good reason God created so much variety in the world. He knew we could easily become insulted if not given the chance to explore. History tells us that men are indeed explorers. We also know you should be diverse financially so there is less risk. Nature is filled with color because that is the way God intended. The church preached that we should shun the world and stick with others of a like mind. While this may be good on some level, God did not intend for us to become xenophobic. Even in the church people hung out with “their own kind ” in the environs of the church.The ministry preached that if you had too many outside influences you would begin to stray. Many of us kept our lives very small for fear of losing God. This made us quite myopic, and many still live this way. We estranged family members as well. We were taught not to trust our own mind, and that we could easily become a pawn of Satan. The church instilled a fear factor in each of us whether people believe it or not, and if you come from WWCG it’s even more ingrained in you. We should not fear exploring but rather embrace it. If our minds are set on God Almighty, we have nothing to fear.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Sorry, insulated

  • If they lose their home, perhaps it could go on the auction block. If the price is right, Mikey might be interested.

    It would be great to turn it into a cat house.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… If our minds are set on God Almighty, we have nothing to fear …” Ozy

    And that is what weinland fears!! Weinland whole intent is to prevent any outside communication. Weinland keeps the faith weak in order to dominate it. I have always believed that faith needs to be tested and practiced in circumstances in life, both good and bad.

    I know people who’s faith is strong and yet they function very well with those outside of their beliefs. I would dare say, I know of religious groups that are far more friendlier and good examples of decent caring people that weinland’s group can only dream of being. Because!! Weinland is the problem!

    My faith is strengthened by hearing and seeing what people go through, both good and bad as well as myself. I know what to do and when to do it. I do not need a fool like weinland to tell me what I should do in any circumstance. Weinland hates this!! He cannot and will not tolerate any independent thought whatsoever because it will undermined his thoughts and deceptions that he imposes.

    By the way, I like the cat house idea.

  • If the Boston Police could do it for poor kitty, SWAT, we could do it too!

    Of course, turning the Weinland home into a ‘cat house’ could have other meanings….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Yes, I know.

  • You know, it is tempting, what with Laura living there, to call the Weinland home a cat house.

    But I shall resist the temptation.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    That may be hard to do. Laura and her merry band of women!? Trying to be not disrespectful.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It all comes under the term of seduction which can either be spiritual or physical.

  • Enough is Enough, you would know much better than I, but does Laura really have a ‘merry‘ band of women?

    One would think that with Laura’s constant caustic toxic vicious relentless gossip, that they would be quite the miserable band of abused women.

    Well, I know, maybe they don’t realize that she’s busy gossiping about them, ruining their reputations and undermining them while they aren’t around, but still… they must know at some level that like sugar for the diabetic, she’s not all that good for them….

    Maybe it’s the Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    I am not sure even if a state of euphoria exists in the confines of the village where the queen of nothing reigns.

    You are correct in your statement about her backbiting tongue. Something to reconsider, just how “merry” are the band of women?

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