Take Action

“Take Action” is the name of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s newest sermon series.  The action he is discussing is a church-wide fast, but not anything Two-Witness like.  There is a mention of heat — but not from fire emanating either from his mouth or the Silent Witness.  Rather, it is a reference to the weather and that now PKG members are allowed to wear more casual clothes when coming before God.

In previous sermons, he has indicated that he will be going to Europe for the feast instead of Australia which he has done in the years 2008 through 2011.  In 2012 he spent the feast in the basement of his mansion on the golf course wearing a GPS ankle bracelet because he had been convicted of criminal tax fraud and was awaiting sentencing.  In 2013, 2014, and 2015 God placed his name on the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Institute where Ron was incarcerated.  This year it seems that he can’t get a visa for New Zealand and Australia because of his conviction with other countries like Canada and the UK also unwilling to have him visit.  No doubt he will soon exercise his Witness power to call down plagues on countries that reject him.

It’s been May since Ron posted on his blog, and April since my last post.  The number of comments on that post has grown to over 300 so this one can be used to continue conversations.

On a personal note, I obviously have been much less involved with this blog although I do monitor what’s going on. I grew up in Armstrongism in the 60s while it was still called the Radio Church of God.  I rejected Armstrongism before Herbie’s Great Tribulation failed to materialize in 1972.  Since then I’ve led my on life including having a family and a successful technical career.  I began blogging in 2008 before the first time Ron’s Great Tribulation failed to start.    This has been an opportunity for me to work through my own personal experiences in Armstrongism and have decided to focus on other things.  I will keep the blog open, and continue to monitor things.  If Ron does something Witness-like I would start up again unless that Witness-like thing is the enforcement of the death curse he issued twice in 2008.

 

530 Comments

  • martin says:

    There are a number of rules in the OT (restated in NT) regarding witnesses….

    Ron is clueless about them.

    The reason there are 2 Witnesses is because that is the biblical requirement when a death penalty was to be executed. The 2 Witnesses will kill there enemies, thus the need for 2 of them.

    Also the bible condemns any kind of death judgment on the basis of only one witness.

    Since Laura is a “silent witness”, Ron condemns himself and any “actions” he may do, since the indictment of only one witness is not enough and does not meet the biblical requirements in cases that might demand a death penalty.

    No, Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and false witness.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    A word of advise to the remaining members of false prophet weinland’s cult.

    If you are beginning to have some doubts about your false leader. I recommend that you get in contact with the ones you know who have left. I assure you that all of the answers of those who left will give you the same reason.

    Deut 18:22 ron weinland is a lying false prophet!!

    Give it a try, the results may surprise you.

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    Thank you, Byker Bob, for speaking about women. The fact that the old timers (and most of the cult) regarded women as having no rights to a speaking role in church bothered the be-geebers out of me while I was in the cult. It was so male dominated it was repulsive. Now, I know most don’t agree with me…I know I am only one – but that bit really got me and still does. (And just in case you are wondering, no I am not one of those pink hat marchers out there nowadays!) 😀

    Ruby

  • Byker Bob says:

    Thank you, Ruby!

    And just think what a huge insult it is to Armstrongism that the chancellor of Germany during the Trump era is a woman!

    Can we all imagine what a chop it would be to HWA if the Beast ended up being a woman? Never underestimate a lady, guys! They think and breathe, and can be just as effective as men, if given the opportunity.

    BB

  • Randy says:

    My mom saves ever penny she can , and the money whore spends it as fast as she can !!!

  • martin says:

    This thread is getting long in the tooth, I hope Mike starts up a fresh new blog post soon.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    The problem is the fearful false prophet weinland is keeping a low profile. He has a problem, his latest 2019 prediction is being exposed for what it is – FALSE!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, a former PKG’er and I were just talking about this very thing recently. Here we are in February ’17, and of course no earth shattering events have yet happened. But the folks who are still there in PKG just sit by and let time and life pass them by.

    I’d have to think (and hope) in the back of their minds that a lot of them know something is dreadfully wrong, and Ron has lied (been lying) to them yet again. Or as we’ve mentioned before, they’re too scared to leave, and hoping upon hope that somehow, someway Ron will be right.

    Well, I’d like for my cats to start talking but all the wishin’ in the world ain’t gonna make that happen! If they did, believe me I wouldn’t be here in the early morning typing away, I’d be out rollin’ in the dough making some big bucks off of them! 😀

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More:

    It took me over a year to leave weinland’s cult. The reason being I was giving it some time to prove itself wrong. Once I got to that point, I LEFT QUICKLY!!!!

    I am of the opinion that is what is taking place with many of the remaining members. They are simply giving it some more time to prove itself wrong. The fearful false prophet weinland is on his third or fourth colossal failure of Christ’s return. I understand that there will be some who will remain no matter what, they are ones who suffer from grey matter deficiency, but, there are others who are approaching the “enough is enough” conclusions. More power to them!!

    Here we are sixteens months into the current lie and failure of the fearful false prophet weinland’s prediction of Christ’s return in 2019. Come June 4th of this year, the fearful false prophet will be down to two years!! I wonder how he is going to spin his lying failure once again.

    The good news is I am free of this clown weinland and recently a good friend of mine passed away and is now free of this lying thief weinland. Too bad for you weinland!! Less money for you, you thieving bastard!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Also that would mean that the fearful false prophet weinland has only twenty six (26) months to prove himself!

    BETTER GET WITH IT WEINLAND ~ TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR YOU!!!!

    LIES LIES AND MORE LIES!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Thinking back , I wish I had had the courage to leave in 2012 after his big failure. I stuck it out for one more year, even though I could clearly see thru the vail of lies at that point. It took me two more months after that, because I knew it was a final decision. When my husband and I both knew it was the right thing to do, we also left quickly without any fanfare. Looking back I don’t know why it was so difficult, only that I had stuck around for so long and was afraid of making the wrong decision. It’s the same reason many women stay with abusive spouses. Where to go, what to do? You take vows and they mean something at least to you. I can imagine very few ever look back fondly after it’s over, but some women stay and stay always hoping for a miracle even though they realize it’s never going to happen. Its hard to think you may have ruined or wasted your life. You don’t need others to make you happy and you don’t need instructions from men on how to have a loving relationship with God.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Spoken well Ozy!

    From your post, I see we left at about the same time. GOOD FOR US AND THE OTHERS WHO LEFT!!!!!

  • hawkeye says:

    sad thing is wienland has done more to harm and hurt the real church than anyone else in history and that include armstrong ….hope he is reading this or that whoever is will get the word to him ..lets see if he can somehow refute the vicious pact of true facts this site presents ..other than just saying there are groups out there who hate us …does he ever wonder why ?

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE and Ozy, good for you that you wasted no time in getting away from COG-PKG! It would take me nearly three years after May 27, 2012 to realize that I had enough and needed to get away. Actually, I began to have some serious reservations not long after the Feast in ’14 and the vaunted “November 6th” date which was supposed to start the “Year of Dedication” (remember that one??).

    I got the very nagging feeling that things were just dragging along for no good reason, and throw in the physical and financial difficulties I was having, I literally woke up on early Sunday morning on March 8, ’15, and sent a letter to all parties involved that I no longer wanted to be a part of PKG. Best things I’ve done in years!

    Ozy, you hit the nail on the head. I do think from time to time all the things I missed out on while I was in PKG. The many get-togethers with family including the memorial service at my Dad’s home after he died which happened to fall on Day of Atonement, and I was told that I shouldn’t go to it. Looking back I should have gone because a couple of my folks that were there are no longer with us.

    Hawkeye, I do believe Ron has visited us and quite recently. Remember “Cool Aid Man”?? I can’t prove this but the more I think about it, the more I believe that was indeed him posing as just some lurker who just had to make a comment. I distinctly remember Ron being quite adamant about us going to sites like these and reading what’s here, let alone making a comment. I do know of a couple that did see this site particularly during the trial, but commenting? Never!

    Interesting how he’s not come back after making his “debut” eh??

  • martin says:

    A little review of Ronald Weinland’s train wreck of thoughts….

    In regards to the Day of the Lord….(DOTL)

    Originally as the last year of the first 3 1/2 years approached….Ron came up with some cock and bull story about the DOTL being the “pre-face” of something or other, he did this because when the last year began nothing happened, so he had to pull out this cockamamie story.

    Then as nothing continued to happen, he shifted over to explaining how the DOTL was a literal 24 hours long. After all nukes can do what nukes do, and do it quickly.

    Then that day came and nothing happened, so Ron shifted back to the old view that the DOTL was a year long. Then that came and went. So Ron decided there were 2 Day(s?) of the Lord. Then 6 months went by and nothing happened so Ron came up with the brilliant idea that the DAY part of the DOTL was the latter 6 months, and the first 6 months was the “night” portion of the DOTL.

    Still nothing.

    Then Ron came up with his brilliant numerological crap, which had numerous mathematical date errors and calculations. Eventually arriving at the 2019 date.

    Don’t be surprised if nothing Ron says happens.

  • martin says:

    Now here is one important point most in PKG will not consider, since they give up their thinking to another.

    A broken clock is correct twice a day.

    So it is entirely possible that “things” can happen. For example, the re-instituting of some kind of daily sacrifice by the Jews in Jerusalem. They recently called for all Jews worldwide to pay a yearly temple tax, which in itself is interesting….I don’t know what the response is from Jews worldwide, if they will abide by this edict or not….but it is interesting to say the least.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More:

    I have the same thoughts about the “Cool Aid Man” being the timid false prophet weinland. I really hope he come back to challenge this group. OH WHAT FUN THAT WOULD BE!!!!

    But the problem is that Deut 18:22 is kicking his butt!! There is no FEAR of him and he can’t stand it. Do you now get the picture weinland? You are one laughable living joke!!

    Remember when the timid false prophet weinland proclaimed all the death cures on those who opposed him? Remember that nothing happened. Well it is all because of Deut 18:22. Remember when this fearful false prophet weinland tried to explain Deut 18:22 away? Well Well Well he is cursed by it!!!

    Love seeing it and will continue to watch weinland twist in the wind over all his “lies lies and more lies”.

  • martin says:

    I believe that “Cool Aid Man” was one of the upper acolytes.

    Was it Ron himself? Perhaps.

  • Maybe a broken clock is right twice a day, but I’m not going to rely on it to tell me the time.

    And Weinland is certainly worthless when it comes to telling the times we live in.

    Does that make him broken?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    I do question the genetics.

  • Enough is Enough, trust the genetics, just don’t trust the people who push magic off as science.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    Point well taken and noted.

  • Byker Bob says:

    They actually have to lie about things from science and history to continue propping up Armstrongism. And we know that they have also lied about prophecy. Or, being kinder, they have presented inaccurate information. Not just little twiggy things, either! They’ve really told some major whoppers over the years! And, there are so many who give them a pass on it. It’s is as if they are saying, “We know that they have lied about prophecy, about science, about history, and they’ve also lied to cover up their own misdeeds. But, we’re going to trust them for our spiritual information and doctrines.”

    There is just no explaining that sort of thinking!

    BB

  • Excogger says:

    BB

    I have an explanation, of sorts.
    There exist some folks who are convinced that in order to be “saved” they must observe/obey certain Commandments. They also accept that Ron, or whoever, is God’s spokesman and THE intermediary between One True Church members and God, i.e., Jesus Christ has effectively been replaced by Ron in the thinking/mindset of PKG members. They believe he represents and enforces the rulings and teachings of the “Government of God” (whatever that is!). He alone is the repository of all “Present Truth”, and obviously has full authority to change scripture to suit his current doctrines and pronouncements.

    So sad, and so evil

  • Byker Bob says:

    Yes it is sad and evil, Excogger! Because of the doctrines on authority, and truth revealed only through the ministry, lay members feel a huge psychological barrier against making a few simple tests, like about the lies I mentioned. It’s almost as if catching your “apostle” in a lie is automatic Lake of Fire not for your “apostle” but for you! In Armstrongism and some other cults, it is the equivalent of a mortal sin to evaluate (discern) members of the ministry. When we here admonish Weinland’s people to hold Ron accountable, some of them believe that the mere suggestion of that is blasphemous. They are wrong! No human has that much power over any of us!

    BB

  • Excogger says:

    ” When we here admonish Weinland’s people to hold Ron accountable, some of them believe that the mere suggestion of that is blasphemous. They are wrong! No human has that much power over any of us!”

    BB – How true!

    Perhaps one day, hopefully soon, many people caught in the snare and curse of religion will realise they have been conned, controlled and manipulated by mere mortals posing as spiritual authorities.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is obvious to ex-members and those here to recognize that this is a money game with weinland. It has its own end.

    I am of the opinion that eventually most in weinland’s cult will come to the conclusion that they have been played for fools. It is based on what evidence do they have to prove weinland is what he claims to be. It is not there!! It is a simple question to them, “show me the proof”!!

    I do agree that an ivory tower has been built by weinland and he has imprisoned the current members there. However, the winds of reality will prevail against the ivory tower and bring it to the ground. It is just a matter of time.

    weinland has built a village (not an empire) on lies and fasehoods. Liars are devious and foolish and will eventually meet their end. weinland is one of these!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Somehow, when everything got divvied up, apparently brand names emerged. It’s difficult, since I wasn’t travelling in those circles any more, to understand how people made their choices as to which “brand” to buy into, but I imagine that some went with the predominant one in their areas, others went along with major friends or family, and others based their decisions on the charisma of certain ministers. There were probably some that imagined that this one or the other had certain truths or understandings that the others lacked.

    What appears to have happened is that around 1995, when the splinters were fresh, most of them held to the basic model of the church that suddenly no longer existed because of the reforms and corrections. With the passage of time, the true colors of the then new leaders began to come into focus, as they began to stamp their smaller groups with their own personalities. Most of the leaders went on a weirdo gradually, after they had solidified their core of followers. Habit patterns which are very difficult to break had already taken over. Others have commented over the years that this phenomenon is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome. That is one explanation as to how members would allow and mentally justify following cruel leaders, title-takers (apostle, prophet, etc), those who spewed one failed false prophecy after the other, and those who fleeced the members and enriched themselves.

    It is the sort of thing that one really must come to see as an outsider in order to have a realistic perspective. Ousiders are allowed to evaluate it, and they can see it all from a logical, and objective view point. It is something that a former member (victim) is unable to be dispassionate about, because there is still residual pain, and a sense of betrayal over having been lied to and take for a ride.

    BB

  • It is instructive to watch Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath is a documentary series aired by A&E. The documentary shows a framework of cults that’s applicable across the board and explains the devotion that people have to their cult.

    The irony is that people in the PKG could watch all 9 episodes and agree with the conclusions, but not have a clue that Ronald Weinland is so very like David Miscavige (without the charisma, sophistication and flair, of course) that their base personalities aren’t that far apart. Both come from a cult founder and seized control, again with Miscavige pulling it off to better effect (for himself) than Weinland did.

    Both evil; both deceptive; both abusive. One actually served a prison term.

    Not that far apart.

    And the PKG is totally blind to it.

    It’s time they took an objective look to the outside to figure out what’s on the inside.

    It would be great if someone like Leah got out there and ran a successful series on Weinland. But if anyone does, go for A&E if you can and skip TLC after how they treated Flora Jessop after she left the FLDS (you can see a remnant at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2JE1OPXi8).

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… It is something that a former member (victim) is unable to be dispassionate about, because there is still residual pain, and a sense of betrayal over having been lied to and take for a ride …” BB

    I agree to a point.

    Once a victim has moved on from the pain and betrayal part of the experience the learned development of a perspective to see the deception becomes clearly understood. Understanding that experience is the great teacher. It is true that some never get beyond the betrayal and can not see the value of the experience. But those that have gain an insightful understanding of these type of deceivers now have the ability to protect themselves from these human parasites, and hopefully, will be able to pass this on to others to always question these self proclaimed religious charlatans.

    The anger and betrayal is extremely difficult to deal with, but it can be done. In the end, for some, a direct confrontation that will resolve the issue. This is what weinland fears the most!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    It may be the psychological fear of being left behind. Even though all of your friends are heading down the wrong path and you know it, you may follow along for fear of being left behind. You can be right and all alone or wrong and still be part of something. In leaving WWCG we were indeed happy to have like minded people with us. Somehow psychologically we feel if everyone is doing something it must be correct. People always look to see who else is doing something to help make up their mind. If their friends or people that they respect are still hanging on they serve as inspiration to those teetering on the brink. This can be a good thing in life, but in this situation makes it difficult to admit things are incorrect or inconsistent. Something major will have to take place before they split again.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Right. I vacillate. I try to see the positive value in that it has immunized me against being scammed again, but there are also lasting borderline Axis II disorders as outlined in DSM IV. It takes a while to counteract those.

    And, you never totally get rid of the PTSD caused by a childhood in Armstrongism. Bad religion! Toxic faith!

    BB

  • The anger and betrayal is extremely difficult to deal with, but it can be done

    And in spite of “vengeance is mine, saith the Lord,” there is nothing more satisfying than a well-planned sophisticated long game successful richly-deserved revenge, often made better when the scoundrel doesn’t know what hit them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How sweet it is, DB!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    My anger is only with myself for going along with things for so long. I was taught that it was my attitude or state of mind that was faulty. One of Rons favorite lines was that if you found fault, the fault was with you. This way they all got away with everything and no one questioned. They could spend, gossip, play favorites, and blame it all on you if you ever questioned any of it. How very convenient for them it turned out. We will all beat ourselves up a little for the rest of our lives, but every day we are free is a great triumph over them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… every day we are free is a great triumph over them …” Ozy

    That is my whole point!! Question this liar weinland, take it to him!!! Believe me, weinland will crumble under the confrontation!!

    It is the cowardice on the member’s part that gives him his influence over them. Break the influence and weinland becomes nothing!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Even partial freedom is good, but in a sense, so long as anyone is still scammed and enslaved, we can’t be 100% free from it. It needs to go away in all forms, even the ones that appear benign.

    BB

  • Byker Bob, there is one very important thing that hasn’t been covered yet, and it’s on the agenda to do so: Briefly, Armstrongism as a cult follows the alcoholism model. It is particularly bad for the children.

    Let’s take an hypothetical example. An alcoholic father abandons his children after work to go down to the local tavern, where he spends hours and hours with his alcoholic ‘buddies’ while the children at home assume that dad is still working hard at his job, but really isn’t. In fact, he needs alcohol to fuel him to be able to do any kind of job since he’s between the second and third stages of alcoholism. They grow up with an essentially absent father who at minimum neglects them and at worst abuses them with assault. Life for everyone in this dysfunctional family becomes arbitrary with the children trying to make sense of life abandoned to their own devices. Mother may also may or may not be an alcoholic, which compounds the problem. If she’s not, she has to cope with an untenable situation.

    This can and often does set up a new dynamic: Role reversal. Mom might start treating her son as the spouse and the husband as the child. This actually happened in Spokane with an alcoholic as the centerpiece of the Worldwide Church of God there.

    Now, let’s relocate this and expand it to the Herbert Armstrong Empire. Herbert, Loma, GTA and Richard David were all alcoholics. Amusing it was to find John Ovrier mention about Herbert Armstrong drinking a 12 pack during a church wide fast. Herbert Armstrong practiced role reversal with Dorothy, making her the spouse and relegating Loma to being the child. But guess what, as he built the cult of the Radio Church of God, he expanded this little family shop of horrors to an entire church congregation. He became the addiction for quite the number of followers, so that even if people weren’t boozing alcoholics, they acted like it to ‘spend time’ with their ‘drinking buddy’, Herbert Armstrong to hang on his every word and neglect the rest of their families. Many also went into role reversals, making Herbert Armstrong the spouse and treating their mates as children. We see this dynamic very clearly with Ronald Weinland and the PKG.

    The Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia is very much the sociological model of alcoholism, as I suspect it is the case with pretty much every cult, whether the members of those cults drink or not. It’s the obsession that’s the killer of sanity and rationality that leads to dysfunctional chaos.

    The best way to counter this is, first, if you drink alcohol, stop — just stop. Follow the Luker challenge which says that if you say you can do without it, prove it. Secondly, abandon your obsession with the cult leader(s) and, like “Take Back Your Life” tells us, learn all about your leader(s) and find all their faults and problems. It will help a lot in getting over him (or her) if you begin to see the person(s) as they really are. You can stop worshipping them and committing idolatry any time you will, if only you can work through your addiction to them. See them for the pathetic loser abusers they really are. It is, after all, the leadership that’s the core of the problem.

    Unfortunately, people excuse themselves by saying, “I don’t follow a man”. Rubbish. Such people are still following and obeying Herbert Armstrong even though he’s been dead for decades.

    It’s time to give up the addiction.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Regarding following a man, in the days of old, if the WCG members were honest about what picture came into their minds while they were thinking of God, He pretty much resembled HWA. Unfortunately the byproduct of this was that Jesus took a backseat to HWA. If Herb, or any of the others truly were ministers of Jesus Christ, they would be self-effacing about it, as was John the Baptist. We live in times when the leaders of the Armstrong movement brag about themselves and their works. If they inject that level of human flaw into their ministries, the rest will also be contaminated, flawed, and cursed, and it will automatically follow that they will prophesy presumptuously (that’s what their pride and ego automatically leads to), and it will fail.

    BB

  • Eric says:

    The second coming od Jesus Christ just around the corner and the most powerful prophet of all time has got some very important information for his members to take heed of and follow in the latest sermon –

    “Just like this stupid thing around the neck! I’m looking forward to the time when we no longer have that one. It’s the dumbest thing in the world. Choke yourself off. Choke yourself off at the neck, you know, not have good flow to the brain. I need all I can get and I can’t get it all cause of the stupid tie.”

    Yup, ties get mentioned in his sermons yet again and blood is not flowing to his brain. He needs all he can get and he’s not getting enough! Then long hair of which we will hear more about in the future-

    “And generally we just start with the physical and can’t get past that, like we’re going to get into eventually in this series, whether it be partially this Sabbath or next Sabbath, but about hair length and what it means. We’ve never really understood what it meant. Awesome! But there are certain things there that God has given to learn lessons from and we generally tend to focus in on the physical more than anything else.”

    Hair length is awesome and not understood! Then followed up by clothes advertising –

    I’ll throw this one out; it’s a great big advertisement for Costco. My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re not going to find anything that’s good quality there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. Cheapest. Incredible. I’ve put some money into those things in times past and they haven’t worked out. Anyway, got a little distracted. There you go, Costco.

    To be fair, believe it or not, I think some of his material on the emancipation of woman in this sermon was quite a good even though he has a hidden agenda behind it. However hen I look at his sermons and especially stuff like the above council I think he has lost his way inside as a prophet. He knows its not going to happen. He stopped putting up sign posts because the more that go past as time passes, the more he is loosing the confidence of his members.

    In the mean time his members are well prepared for the calamity that is coming very soon: They won’t be wearing ties, they will have their hair is a particular way and they will be wearing Costco socks and clothes.

  • Eric says:

    The second coming of Jesus Christ just around the corner and the most powerful prophet of all time has got some very important information for his members to take heed of and follow in the latest sermon –

    “Just like this stupid thing around the neck! I’m looking forward to the time when we no longer have that one. It’s the dumbest thing in the world. Choke yourself off. Choke yourself off at the neck, you know, not have good flow to the brain. I need all I can get and I can’t get it all cause of the stupid tie.”

    Yup, ties get mentioned in his sermons yet again and blood is not flowing to his brain. He needs all he can get and he’s not getting enough! Then long hair of which we will hear more about in the future-

    “And generally we just start with the physical and can’t get past that, like we’re going to get into eventually in this series, whether it be partially this Sabbath or next Sabbath, but about hair length and what it means. We’ve never really understood what it meant. Awesome! But there are certain things there that God has given to learn lessons from and we generally tend to focus in on the physical more than anything else.”

    Hair length is awesome and not understood! Then followed up by clothes advertising –

    I’ll throw this one out; it’s a great big advertisement for Costco. My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re not going to find anything that’s good quality there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. Cheapest. Incredible. I’ve put some money into those things in times past and they haven’t worked out. Anyway, got a little distracted. There you go, Costco.

    To be fair, believe it or not, I think some of his material on the emancipation of woman in this sermon was quite a good even though he has a hidden agenda behind it. However hen I look at his sermons and especially stuff like the above council I think he has lost his way inside as a prophet. He knows its not going to happen. He stopped putting up sign posts because the more that go past as time passes, the more he is loosing the confidence of his members.

    In the mean time his members are well prepared for the calamity that is coming very soon: They won’t be wearing ties, they will have their hair is a particular way and they will be wearing Costco socks and clothes.

  • Eric says:

    And there was something in the back of my mind about his quote that’s been niggling away in my mind. He often gives away information that he doesn’t mean to, it just sort of leaks out. I have just realized the probable implications of what he said –

    “My wife has been getting me some things, and each time she does, I say, “No, I don’t want anything from there.” That’s just my thinking about Costco. You’re NOT going to find anything that’s GOOD QUALITY, there. some of my better clothes anymore are coming from there. They last longer. They fit better. I’ve given up. I’ve given in.Costco is my new place. Anyway! Some of the best socks I’ve ever had. I won’t go into everything else. Best blue jeans I’ve ever had. CHEAPEST.

    The second witness is economizing! THE MONEY IS DRYING OUT.

    Wikipedia entry [Costco Wholesale Corporation is an American membership-only warehouse club that provides a wide selection of merchandise. It is the largest membership-only warehouse club in the United States ….. Costco focuses on selling products at low prices, often at very high volume. These goods are usually bulk-packaged and marketed primarily to large families and businesses]

    More evidence of the desperate state of the PKG and the effect it’s having on the Weinlands.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Just a little rant to let his people know he’s just one of them. “See I shop at the same stores you do.” Who cares where his socks come from? Nothing better to preach about than ties and socks? Millions of Costco shoppers , and they’re not special, but he feels it’s a come down to admit he shops at such a lowly store. Doesn’t matter what he says , it comes out better than others.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I agree with you Eric ~ money is getting tight!!!

    Ozy, you have a good point as well. weinland is getting desperate, he needs the cash and is now fishing in a smaller lake. The big bucks are gone and now he is grabbing for quarters!!

    Oh Boo Hoo for weinland the public is now aware of your lying lies!!

    lies lies and more lies

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder when he will have to leave his expensive home on the golf course!? What will happen to all the BMW!? No more $1500 suits from Nostrum!

    OH My! How have you have fallen! Just like the King of Tyre quoted in Isa 14:12-16.

  • Ronco says:

    Will the Gossip Queen(TM) have to buy her bloomers at Costco?

  • No more $1500 suits from Nostrum!

    Which means that if he has to appear in court again, he may have to wear less impressive sheep’s clothing.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ronco,

    I was thinking the same thing. No more fancy expensive boxer shorts for the queen of nothing.

    I wonder if her victoria secrets credit card is cncelled?

  • FedUp says:

    Will Ron be taking credit as one of the Two Witnesses for Rod Meredith’s recent cancer diagnosis?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FedUp:

    That would probably be a long shot for weinland. You have to remember that his curse(s) on the splinter groups was very broad and also including Mike and posters here. Meredith is elderly and is expected to develop life ending disease. If I recollect, I believe the first target was the television presenters that were to be the first to die. Because, it is these television presenters that are in the forefront and stifling weinland quest for notoriety and from becoming the dictatorial ruler over the splinter groups.

    Loser weinland has taken a low profile in order to protect his base which is becoming restive due to the lack of the materialization of his foolish and baseless predictions.

    It will be interesting to see if loser weinland goes there.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Soooo, Ron and Laura are now shopping at Costco eh?? Hmmm…..high time he and she gets to see what it’s been like for COUNTLESS of followers after all their tithe money went down the rathole! EIE as you said, no more “Victoria Secrets”, no more $1700 suits and I have to wonder if they’re still in that fabulous tithe paid home which can be seen here.

    How long will it be before he gives sermons on how great it is to shop at the Salvation Army?? Not knocking them as they serve a purpose, but it just goes to show how rapidly that money train is slowing to a complete halt! 😉

  • Fooled No More says:

    Soooo, Ron and Laura are now shopping at Costco eh?? Hmmm…..high time he and she gets to see what it’s been like for COUNTLESS of followers after all their tithe money went down the rathole! EIE as you said, no more “Victoria Secrets”, no more $1700 suits and I have to wonder if they’re still in that fabulous tithe paid home which can be seen here.

    How long will it be before he gives sermons on how great it is to shop at the Salvation Army?? Not knocking them as they serve a purpose, but it just goes to show how rapidly that money train is slowing to a complete halt! 😉

  • Costco today, living in cardboard boxes over a heat vent tomorrow… or at least some time late this year or next.

    Perhaps the last purchase Weinland makes can be a trench coat. It is a great fashion statement among the poor homeless.

  • Byker Bob says:

    What everyone should realize is that Ron and Laura did not exemplify an aura of royalty, nobility, or cultured old money. They behaved as “nouveau riche”. Old money stays out of trouble, and is self-sustaining. In certain ways, Herb Armstrong successfully emulated old money because as a young man, he had inserted himself into that community, studied it, and learned to emulate it. Authentic and convincing posturing gave an effective bottom to his ministry.

    For most of the people who ever went through Ambassador College, HWA was the only person of his type to which his students had ever been exposed. Some of the “elite” ministry, who appear to have such a taste for the finer things of life actually grew up cleaning up cow slop. So, based on entitlement in the confines of a small unaccredited “college”, they had an opportunity to experience a certain level of wealth, to wear $2,000 suits and to live in homes in exclusive neighborhoods. The thing is, though, that Jesus would be angry at them for enriching themselves at the expense of people who gave because they had been fraudulently convinced that it was an opportunity to do the Father’s work.

    So, while Ron and Laura have discovered Costco, I’d prefer to look in on them a little later in the process, when they’re getting their clothes at Savers, and are driving an old Cadillac that (as Eddie Murphy quipped to Nick Nolte) looks like they got it from “the brothers” when they were finished with it.

    They haven’t completely bottomed out just yet, but stay tuned! Much more to come!

    BB

  • martin says:

    I wonder how much they saved?

    They’re the kind that spend what they have if they can do it, rather than live on a reasonable budget.

    There are people who make minimum wage and have money in the bank, and there are people who have millions that are broke at the end of the month.

  • Byker Bob, you’ve explained very well what I have observed for years. Old money has a totally different approach than the “nouveau riche”.

    The Weinlands are like these people who win millions in the lottery and soon they not only have nothing, but are in terrible debt.

    The lottery winners that go bust are sad and pathetic.

    The Weinlands are just plain maddening.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How True How True

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny,

    I have had you on my mind lately.

    How long are you going to continue to deceive yourself and others in believing that weinland is some sort of savior, he isn’t. All here and others have no doubt that weinland is a fraud and liar. Why the continued participation in the lie?

    It is weinland’s trail of lies, failed predictions of Christ’s return, and not to mention his serving prison time for tax fraud, stealing money. We know, as well, as you that 2019 is not going to happen. Are you going to be part of the new fabricated fairy tale of another date? If so, then that is a sad thing to know and hear.

    Hopefully, soon, you will come to your senses and do the right thing, leave. I am sure that as you get closer to 2019, which will fail, that others in your group will come to their senses and do the right thing and leave. The question is, will you leave also, I hope so.

  • Enough is Enough, Johnny sees Weinland as his best chance to be someone somewhere.

    Without Weinland, where could he go? Who would have him?

    His world of delusion is shrinking and is leaving him with absolutely no future.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Old money people frequently live below their means. They still live well, but they don’t get themselves into the types of trouble that Johnny Depp is in right now, or that Nicholas Cage or Kim Bassinger got into in the past. The Weinlands have made many of the same mistakes that some rock stars and some professional athletes have made. Ron’s jail time isn’t all that different from the down time some celebs have endured in rehab. It should be embarrassing!

    There are others who “won the lottery” by starting their own ACOG franchise. And, they spend as if that’s where the money had come from, the lottery! If it were not for his persuasive abilities, in convincing his followers that he actually owned all of their resources (his “common” doctrine), Dave Pack would be on a greased skid right now. Gerald Flurry probably is already, although word is, he’s doing a little tire kicking on new executive jets. We’ll soon know more about the predicaments in LCG, as Rod Meredith is terminal with cancer. UCG and the COGaWa seem to have more checks and balances in place because they don’t have a singular ACOG celebrity minister exercising absolute power, but they are top heavy in retirement issues surrounding their aging ministry.

    I’m thinking that as more people realize that all of their Amstrong-spawn groups have Weinland-related issues, and as the demographic of the membership continues to grey (and whiten), this particular variation of the lottery or gravy train is going to lose its attractiveness and its power. Your man on the street these days knows more about history, and realizes that teachers for thousands of years have adapted the apocalypses of Daniel and Revelation to their own contemporary times, just upgrading the names of nations and empires to reflect contemporary conditions. So, the famous HWA hook has been neutered.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BB:

    That is an insightful observation.

    UCGIA and COGWA do have the check and balance incorporated into their government. I see this as a good thing. It brings me a great deal of satisfaction to see the ending of these deplorable one man shows!!

    I do not know if UCG and COGWA will be survivors or not. I do know that UCG is not afraid to make changes in the way they do things to adjust to the changing world around them. You are right, the public no longer has an appetite for losers like weinland and the others. A church must have the ability to evolve in order to meet the needs of those who seek it in these times. Dictatorial self proclaiming megalomaniacs no longer will do, yeaaaa!

    I, also, watch these churches to see how they evolve or how they die. Weinland’s cult is dying because their self proclaimed leader is a provable fraud and liar. Plus there is no apparent male heir to his dead and dying village.

    BB, I appreciate your candor in regards in your observations.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    You are probably right about Johnny.

    He is a friend of mine. It is unfortunate that he allows weinland to dictate who he able to talk with. I find it laughable that I could be should a dangerous threat to his faith. But, demagogues like weinland can not afford to have any outside influence that just may have an influence.

    I will be honest with you. I am still and will always be a friend of Johnny because I know him and understand the position he is in. But that doesn’t mean that I write him off as some human debris. Weinland and his family are the detestable human debris and that is where I put my disgust. So, I am still his friend and love to speak with him again. Understanding that I have no regard or respect for weinland and his family.

    If it were in my power, I would help Johnny and others to see the real truth about weinland and his queen of nothing are all about.

  • Byker Bob says:

    EIE,

    Years ago, a biker buddy of mine became a correctional officer in the state prison where we lived. In his orientation week, the trainers stressed how important it is to maintain friends outside of law enforcement. Those friends are able to help the officers stay grounded with normalcy and reality. The ministers in a cult such as Armstrongism are very similar to the correctional officers in a prison in that both environments are closed and cloistered. A friend for Johnny who can express himself or herself, without being beh

  • Byker Bob says:

    Oops, touch screens on an iphone can be a bummer. What I started to say is that someone on the outside who can talk with Johnny without having the very conversation regulated by Ron’s teachings could help Johnny with his grounding. I don’t know the man, but most here have said some good things about him, and wondered how he could still be sticking with Ron. A while ago, one of his friends even published an open letter to him right here on this site.

    BB

  • Ozymandias says:

    EIE, I agree Johnny is a great guy. His wife is also very sweet. There are many such people in Rons church, indeed in all churches that are held captive.We struggle to understand God and what he wants from us , and we doubt ourselves, so we turn to what we perceive as learned men to instruct us ,when they indeed know less than we do. Most of the people in the Cogs are not educated so they are easily led. I include my self in this. Most only have friends in the church, so as BB said we didn’t have a wide enough range of friends. The Gogs for the most part are a closed off group of people. We are taught not to value the education of the world and indeed it is flawed.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The comments about having friends outside of the church environment is right on!! It does alleviate the numbing effect of insular group environments. In some cases, it may even enhance a relationship with God. It provides the contrast that one should not lose sight of and pay attention to. This is the very thing that weinland prevents! He knows that if his followers begin to compare him to others views, he will lose face with them.

    Wow! This is great stuff! This is the very thing that would end weinland immediately.

    Hopefully, the word will get to Johnny that there were good comments made about him here. Maybe, weinland will give him the boot because the ones who know Johnny still speak kindly of him and weinland is still viewed as a lying thief. Oh boo hoo for weinland, no respect among the people at large.

  • Ozymandias says:

    There is a very good reason God created so much variety in the world. He knew we could easily become insulted if not given the chance to explore. History tells us that men are indeed explorers. We also know you should be diverse financially so there is less risk. Nature is filled with color because that is the way God intended. The church preached that we should shun the world and stick with others of a like mind. While this may be good on some level, God did not intend for us to become xenophobic. Even in the church people hung out with “their own kind ” in the environs of the church.The ministry preached that if you had too many outside influences you would begin to stray. Many of us kept our lives very small for fear of losing God. This made us quite myopic, and many still live this way. We estranged family members as well. We were taught not to trust our own mind, and that we could easily become a pawn of Satan. The church instilled a fear factor in each of us whether people believe it or not, and if you come from WWCG it’s even more ingrained in you. We should not fear exploring but rather embrace it. If our minds are set on God Almighty, we have nothing to fear.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Sorry, insulated

  • If they lose their home, perhaps it could go on the auction block. If the price is right, Mikey might be interested.

    It would be great to turn it into a cat house.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… If our minds are set on God Almighty, we have nothing to fear …” Ozy

    And that is what weinland fears!! Weinland whole intent is to prevent any outside communication. Weinland keeps the faith weak in order to dominate it. I have always believed that faith needs to be tested and practiced in circumstances in life, both good and bad.

    I know people who’s faith is strong and yet they function very well with those outside of their beliefs. I would dare say, I know of religious groups that are far more friendlier and good examples of decent caring people that weinland’s group can only dream of being. Because!! Weinland is the problem!

    My faith is strengthened by hearing and seeing what people go through, both good and bad as well as myself. I know what to do and when to do it. I do not need a fool like weinland to tell me what I should do in any circumstance. Weinland hates this!! He cannot and will not tolerate any independent thought whatsoever because it will undermined his thoughts and deceptions that he imposes.

    By the way, I like the cat house idea.

  • If the Boston Police could do it for poor kitty, SWAT, we could do it too!

    Of course, turning the Weinland home into a ‘cat house’ could have other meanings….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Yes, I know.

  • You know, it is tempting, what with Laura living there, to call the Weinland home a cat house.

    But I shall resist the temptation.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    That may be hard to do. Laura and her merry band of women!? Trying to be not disrespectful.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It all comes under the term of seduction which can either be spiritual or physical.

  • Enough is Enough, you would know much better than I, but does Laura really have a ‘merry‘ band of women?

    One would think that with Laura’s constant caustic toxic vicious relentless gossip, that they would be quite the miserable band of abused women.

    Well, I know, maybe they don’t realize that she’s busy gossiping about them, ruining their reputations and undermining them while they aren’t around, but still… they must know at some level that like sugar for the diabetic, she’s not all that good for them….

    Maybe it’s the Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    I am not sure even if a state of euphoria exists in the confines of the village where the queen of nothing reigns.

    You are correct in your statement about her backbiting tongue. Something to reconsider, just how “merry” are the band of women?

  • martin says:

    Ron is still plodding along with his “rightful place of women” series…..

    It’s a little over a year into the Great Tribulation (supposedly) and this is what he’s talking about?

    Costco and women’s right place??

    Shouldn’t he be correcting leaders? Casting plagues on rebellious nations??

    Not this banal sermon series…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    Weinland doesn’t have anything else to talk about.

    Weinland has only 27 months left before he is exposed again for being a false prophet. This clown knows he is wrong again and must detract as much as he can from the reality he is now facing. There will be no earth shaking events coming from weinland’s mouth. He is just another wind bag torn lose from its anchors.

    All he has left is a rehashing of the rehash.

    lies lies and more lies

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Weinland is playing mind games and semantics with the matter of women holding high position in his church.

    Haven’t you noticed that there are “silent” prophets, witness, elders, and others position held by women that are “not” allowed to speak at the podium! Weinland is following what Paul directed in the NT. No new news here.

    We all know that women are the glue that holds a congregation together and men love it. All weinland has done is to create this illusion that he has discovered a directive, when, in reality he hasn’t!!

    It is all smoke and mirrors ~ folks

  • “We all know that women are the glue that holds a congregation together”

    They aren’t glued together, they’re screwed together.

  • Ozymandias says:

    He’s just making sure everyone will follow Laura if anything happens to him. Keep her surrounded by capable women so no userper comes along. Gotta keep the cash in the family. This is his dynasty and he wants to pass it down to his own family. He didn’t work this hard all these years to see the checks start going somewhere else.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy:

    When weinland dies his village dies also.

  • It’s a shame that we can’t bring back the standards of colonial America.

    There’s something satisfying to think about the Weinlands chained up in stocks at a pillory.

    Finally, we would have a target to recycle our rotten eggs and decayed vegetables.

    When we were all finished, they could be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for good (you know, sort of like the Azazel goat on the Day of Atonement).

    Ah! The good old days….

  • Randy says:

    Did the asshole ever asked third tightes ?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Randy, during the time I was in, he never required it as he said that was something Herbert Armstrong had done away with. The reasoning being since the government was already taxing and providing services, there was no more need for this.

    Frankly, I see no scriptural basis for “third tithe” anyway……it was just another way to get folks to part with their money.

  • Randy says:

    Thank you fooled no more !!!

  • martin says:

    For those that need help falling asleep, Johnny Harrel is on YouTube giving the latest sermon.

    Why he continues to support this proven liar, I’ll never know….it’s a pity.

  • “Why he continues to support this proven liar, I’ll never know….it’s a pity”

    More like, it’s maddening.

    I think the best explanation is one a psychopath once gave: “Because I can”.

    There doesn’t seem to be a better explanation for Johnny Harrel and his misplaced loyalty.

  • Byker Bob says:

    I can only tolerate so much Armstrongite preaching, but the few moments spent on You Tube listening to either Johnny or Ron indicated that neither one is a terribly dynamic speaker. When I saw the time length each ran, it seemed well into the torturous level. Anyone who watches the news, or an occasional TV program expects a more riveting performance these days.

    Whether someone comes across as a good guy or a bad guy, you have to scrutinize the system they are supporting. Over the years, both types have propped up what is basically a corrupt, toxic, and abusive system. Something within them compels them to do this. My personal definition of a good guy is that he will eventually find the organization repugnant enough that he leaves it and begins warning others about it, and speaking out about the ways in which it was wrong. As for the bad guys, my experience has been that they would be A-holes in whatever field they worked. In other words, even leaving would do nothing for their basic lack of humanity.

    BB

  • Ozymandias says:

    BB, there are people who wouldn’t bother to warn anyone else if they could see impending disaster, that’s true, but most of the GOG people wouldn’t listen anyway. You look disgruntled, and the church generally portrays you as jealous or not in keeping with church doctrine, i.e. tithing. People simply must come to this conclusion on their own. You must begin to see things for what they are and people for what they are or are not, and have the courage to make the break, no matter what. People are afraid of losing their relationship with God, so they stay. We have seen countless people go by the wayside over the years. They leave the church and within a year , are not keeping the Sabbath and are eating unclean food. If you hold these things as beliefs it can be difficult to make a break. I kept the Sabbath before I even knew about the Church of God, so for me it’s not a problem. I know what I as an individual have to do, others are not so confident.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… My personal definition of a good guy is that he will eventually find the organization repugnant enough that he leaves it and begins warning others about it …”

    BB:

    And that is why this site exists. These religious tyrants like hawgbone weinland and the other one man shows need to be exposed for what they are!!

    I have no issue with keeping God’s Sabbath, Holy Days, and etc. I take issues with the tyrants who only have their interests only and could care less about destroying individuals lives. This is what turns my stomach and stirs my anger!! I have seen to much of it.

    Weinland is the scum at the bottom of the barrel!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    The observant Jews love the sabbath and holy days, some from the Chabad movement even dance with the Torah at their social activities. There just isn’t the same evil and confusion and false prophecy and intrigue that we witness in the Armstrong movement. These Jews also let whatever the ancient prophets wrote suffice for itself. They expect that eventually it will be fulfilled, and they don’t treat it like a watched pot, or make uo their fantasies about it.

    As people in the Armstrong movement age, and realize they have wasted their lives getting urgent about some things that may or may not even happen in their lifetimes, silly season is going to get sillier and sillier. Any prophecies that British Israelism has been used to “understand” just aren’t going to happen. Period.

    BB

  • Of one thing I am certain: Ronald Weinland is not a sort of person I would ever want to spend an eternity with (2 minutes might be too long).

    Let’s hope God feels the same so everybody can have some peace.

  • Excogger says:

    It’s a big Universe!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Has anyone seen or heard from the lost prophet weinland?

  • He’s out there somewhere in the universe.

    It’s a big place.

    Try Mars.

    We could hope….

  • martin says:

    He’s on youtube with a new sermon series……

    Nothing about the Great Tribulation…..maybe it’s invisible.

  • Excogger says:

    The Great Tribulation is spiritual, and of course only applies to and is experienced by the membership of the One True Church.

    Ron pontificating on YouTube is one of the Three Woes.

  • Barry says:

    For one of their associate elders in Cincinnati area the tribulation began a few weeks ago when his mechanics Garage was robbed of all his tools. His livelihood decimated with 20,000 of tools and electronics stolen. A go fund me account we established and not a dime has been donated by Weinland or any of his followers. You shall know they are my disciples if they have love for one another. Apparently their Ron god is more important….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Barry,

    This isn’t surprising. Loser weinland has always been greedy and could care less about those who follow him.

    There is no doubt that weinland will tell this member that “it is he” that is sinning and not loser wienland.

    WAKE UP FOLKS!!!! and see this lying thief for what he is!!!!!!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Isn’t it amazing that this clown weinland places himself between God and mankind because he is so righteous, but yet, he has no regard for a member of his cult when they are in desperate need!

    What kind of church is weinland running – it obviously isn’t merciful, it is nothing more than an income to weinland! WOW!! WHAT HYPOCRISY!!!!!

  • Ronco says:

    It’s not a church, it’s a family business!

  • martin says:

    I hope he had insurance….

    🙁

  • Oh, Martin, he probably would have, except he had to give the payments to Weinland for ‘the work’ (translation: Luxury Fund).

    And anyway, the world is ending and it won’t matter because Jesus is returning and all PKG members left will be in The Kingdom.

    Well… a kingdom… of sorts….

  • Fooled No More says:

    Barry said:
    March 9, 2017 at 13:17
    For one of their associate elders in Cincinnati area the tribulation began a few weeks ago when his mechanics Garage was robbed of all his tools. His livelihood decimated with 20,000 of tools and electronics stolen. A go fund me account we established and not a dime has been donated by Weinland or any of his followers. You shall know they are my disciples if they have love for one another. Apparently their Ron god is more important….

    Associate Elder in Cincinnati huh? Hmmm…….more than likely I may know who this is as I’ve been to services over there a number of times. It’s really sad that this happened, and even sadder that the church can’t see fit to help out with something. God only knows the untold amount this fellow paid out in tithes but no, somehow he can’t get some of that money back to get himself back on his feet.

    This was the straw that broke the back for me when I was going through such terrific difficulty with my teeth, and the answer I got was to get at least three estimates BEFORE I would be considered for any help. Well, I thought screw that and never mind the fact that ALL what we were told had come to naught, and I made my exit. In fact, a few days ago on the 8th, it’s been two years since I got up that Sunday morning, and composed my goodbye letter to Patty Dalrymple and company.

    Best choice to date that I ever made, and it’s been the most liberating two years in my life that I can remember. I NEVER will attend another church that screws its people over in that way!

    I hope that this Elder can see just how fraudulent these people are and say to hell with them, get back on his feet, and get them out of his life. 😉

  • martin says:

    This guy sounds like he makes an honest living.

    He should take what he sent to Ron (the convicted tax criminal), and use that to rebuild his stock of tools.

    I do hope he is able to restore his business and his tools.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More:

    Let’s hope that some or all will begin to see the greed and arrogance of both of the weinlands.

    For me, it was the lies and the greed of these two that led me to walk away. When I finally took the time, out of anger, to take a closer look at these two that is when it became very clear that these two were the worst cons imaginable!! And to beat all, these two liars are still attempting to rebuild what has been lost over the last few years that causes me to throw up in my mouth.

    All I ask of the remaining membership is to simply take the time and take a very close look at these two and judge them for what they claim to be and to simply look for the crucial evidence of their claim. It simply is not there!!!

    Whoever this elder is, I hope he recognizes what he is dealing with and departs from these liars. Also, I do hope that he recovers from this loss and understand that weinland is a poison to him and his livelihood.

    Curse you weinland and I pray that all will be taken from you and that you live the rest of your life in shame!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Has this elder left Weinland’s church and every other form of Armstrongism? If so, I might want to contribute to his gofundme account, because people often need encouragement as they leave these scams and begin to comprehend the depth of the damages and to repair their lives. On the other hand, if he remains with Weiner Dude, or has simply switched ACOG groups, then it is up to such groups to demonstrate or validate their Christianity by helping him.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I also would like to know who this person is.

  • Barry says:

    His name is Mark and he is a good guy. He has helped who ever is in need whenever he can. I have known him most of my life and find it most unfortunate that he has been more of a follower than a leader and his faith is not deeply rooted in biblical knowledge. He did not have insurance accordi g to his daughter which ciukd be both gis mistaken belief that the end is 26 months away or all extra money to weasel weinland. No clue. He doesn’t make a lot so it could be a combination of all. Just sad from all fronts.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Barry,

    It is this very thing that sadden me. We all know that 26 months from now weinland will fail again for the fourth time.

    What will go through Mark’s mind when this failure happens? I can only imagine what he will experience when the reality of finally seeing the failure that weinland really is. I can understand the anger and disillusionment he will suffer from when the truth is starring at him about weinland. All the lies, all the misleading that has finally led to his business and personal life suffering from the likes of liar weinland. This is very very sad.

    I do not know why, but Mark’s situation is on my mind. I do not know Mark but I have this sense of compassion for him. I guess it is his blind faith that he has invested in weinland only to have it shattered 26 months from now. I hope that he will turn to you and listen to you this time around.

    My gut churns inside me knowing that weinland has no compassion for anyone but himself.

    To liar weinland, may the God of All curse you for the evil man that you are!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Unfortunately, if he’s still PKG, if any of us were to contribute to his fund, he’d interpret it as a blessing for being part of the true church. I’m thinking that would be a horrible message to send him. The best thing, now that we know his name, is to pray for him.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I agree with you, BB.

    It would be a mistake to contribute to a delusion that would only further the deception that Mark is under. I do pray for his release from weinland’s cult and hopefully it will happen for him and the rest.

    Time will tell. This reminds me of the feast of purim and hopefully the liar will find himself on the hanging gallows.

  • Some people remain clueless for a very long time, sometimes long after it’s been proven again and again it’s a scam.

    When Weinland hits his next failure point in what ever year, what are the chances anyone else will leave?

    If it were a job in a company that was failing, I could see it because new jobs are hard to find, but a cult? And paying for the honor of being abused?

  • Byker Bob says:

    The same psychology affects PKG and other ACOG members as affects gambling addicts. Something goes wrong in the brain, so that the gambler (member) begins to interpret near losses as wins, and to believe that sooner or later, a losing situation will turn itself around. This especially becomes true when the gambler has already placed a series of losing bets.

    Whether or not the followers of Ron Weinland or Herbert Armstrong realize it, they are betting their lives as they once knew them on a prophecy mold and a particular interpretation of that prophecy mold, and also making considerable financial investments and sacrifices on something which is both very unlikely, and totally unprovable. At least, in the case of a slot machine, five cherries do occasionally come up.

    Unfortunately, unless something catastrophic happens, gamblers continue their addiction. However, if a gambler knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that the game is crooked beyond the fact that the house holds a slight advantage, in most cases he will avoid that game. This can be compared to the situation which developed when Ron was convicted of tax evasion. People left because of that, and in some cases, further rationalized leaving based on his prophecies also being false. Some of those, as we witnessed, simply went to other casinos (other of the Armstrong cults), and are continuing to gamble their lives and the lives of their families.

    I was going to continue the analogy to cases in which patrons are beaten up by the goon squad, and therefore avoid certain casinos. They don’t. They keep going back anyway. Just as people who are abused and disfellowshipped frantically attempt to return to the good graces of the ACOG which disfellowships them.
    The fact is, it’s a very wonderful miracle when anyone escapes Armstrongism, and engages in a successful recovery program!

    BB

  • Eric says:

    Ron continues to give us good news in the “God’s Form of Governing, Pt. 2” sermon.

    “Because there’s still cleansing going on within the Church! There’s still disfellowshipping that’s taking place as this past week. Okay? It just goes on and on and on. When things like this happen I can’t help but think how many are going to be left by the time we come to the return of Jesus Christ?

    So how many are going to be there? How many are going to be there at the return of Jesus Christ regardless of when it is, which I still believe is 2019? With all of my being, I do. But I believed the same about 2012. What does God have in store for us? I hope it’s not more. I hope we don’t have to go through more, because the longer we go, the fewer there will be ”

    The great exodus continues inside of the PKG and from the sound of it at a fairly steady rate “because the longer we go, the fewer there will be”.

    Why, because he has stopped being a prophet. He now says “which I still believe is 2019? With all of my being, I do. But I believed the same about 2012” thus declaring to the world that his 2019 date is no longers a prophecy but a possibility that he believes strongly. He is publically declaring doubt about 2019 and his own writings.

    Gone is the fiery absolute declaration of things that will happen. Gone is his conviction that the date is one that God has given him. If you look at his past sermons gone is council, advice about preparing for the last day because deep down he knows that things are not happening and that the date will fail again. Gone is his firm declaration of things that are about to happen. Gone are his declarations of how great a prophet he has because it will only invite ridicule as it has in the past and as it will in the future. Better just to keep his little flock as happy as he can with smoke and mirrors.

    But it’s not working and the attrition rate keeps going. PKG members who followed a prophet are seeing more and more his lack of confidence and how lukewarm he is. As PKG members see less and less members the exodus becomes increasingly obvious so they also start to look around and see for themselves that it is coming to nothing.

  • Fooled No More says:

    I REALLY, REALLY wish I knew who those folks were that have now left or were “disfellowshipped”. I have that in quotes because Ron always used that as a cover as more than likely they left out of disgust and let him (or Laura) know as much.

    OK you ex-PKG’ers who are in the shadows seeing this but don’t comment……….C’mon, don’t be shy! You don’t have to give your real name, but you can let us know what’s been happening there!

    I can’t believe I’m still the latest one that left that’s posting here!

    And yes Eric………..as time moves on and 2019 gets ever closer and closer, I wouldn’t be surprised if PKG is literally down to only a couple hundred people if that. I say it’s well deserved—–too many people have had their lives ruined by such corruption, and it’s high time it comes to an end.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    YES!!!!!!!!! DEUTERONOMY 18:22 IS TRUMPETING THROUGHOUT THE HALLS OF PKG!!!!!!!!!!!

    “… IF WHAT A PROPHET PROCLAIMS IN THE NAME OF THE LORD DOES NOT TAKE PLACE OR COME TRUE, THAT IS A MESSAGE THE LORD HAS NOT SPOKEN. THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN OUT OF PRIDE. DO NOT BE AFRAID OF HIM …”

    Weinland you have been a lying thief long enough! Finally you are reaping the consequences of all your lies, greed, and falsehoods!!

    Everyone here already knew that 2019 was simply another lie from your greedy mouth!!

    I praise of the God of All who has now had enough of you and all the harm you have done to the innocent ones who, at one time, believed in you. It is now time for you to pay your dues!! However, I have asked that God spare your life but to condemn you to live a life of utter shame from this day forward!!

    I am dancing in the streets over your demise you lying thief!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey Loser weinland, I have a question for you?

    How many have returned to pkg after being disfellowshipped from your cult?

    The answer is one big fat ZERO!!! Hummmmmm, what does that tell you?

  • “Because there’s still cleansing going on within the Church!”

    Recommend bleach. It makes things nice and white. Even things that shouldn’t be white.

    And it’s a great disinfectant too.

    Just the thing for the PKG.

    Although, there’s always whitewash… but it’s just not the same, you know.

    Save it for grave stones.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Douglas Becker said:
    March 19, 2017 at 11:49

    “Because there’s still cleansing going on within the Church!”

    Recommend bleach. It makes things nice and white. Even things that shouldn’t be white.

    And it’s a great disinfectant too.

    Just the thing for the PKG.

    Although, there’s always whitewash… but it’s just not the same, you know.

    Save it for grave stones.

    LOL!!! 😀 😀

  • martin says:

    After a year of what….monthly fasting, and “getting the temple ready” so to speak, and you still have people leaving or getting “disfellowshipped”????

    Wasn’t the church supposed to be ready? It sounds like a sinking ship and people are jumping overboard to get away.

    If I were a member, I would sit in services and encourage people to leave this false prophet, then after the last one left, I would leave.

    I do hope those leaving, make a cursory attempt to try and take others with them, or at least encourage them to open their eyes.

  • martin says:

    Just a friendly reminder….

    Ron’s so called calculations (something the bible calls a form of divination or in modern terms numerology, which is forbidden), which supposedly came from God Himself, is FILLED WITH ALL SORTS OF DATE MISCALCULATIONS.

    Ronald Weinland also claims his calculations are unique, thus showing their divine inspiration. Well of course, this was shown to absolutely not be true. The so called patterns involved in his Ron-math were anything but unique.

    God can add, God does His math perfectly, Ron….not so much.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, seems to me that “The Year of Dedication” (remember that one??) seems to have been all for naught as Ron is still mentioning about people leaving.

    Those that have left and have not gone to any other ACOG groups will quickly realize that it’s the best thing they ever could have done! I certainly kick myself at times looking back over the years of all the things that I missed.

    The different outings, get-togethers with family and friends (some of whom have since passed away), all because they were usually on a Saturday, and of course that was taboo because it was on the “Sabbath”.

    I guess when 2019 doesn’t pan out, those that are simple enough to stay may look forward to 2026?? Yikes!! 😮

  • Enough is Enough says:

    What is interesting about this situation with string along weinland is that he is failing.

    There is no doubt in my mind that string along weinland will start with the “rejecting” his cult routine that if you do then your life will become a living hell!! Remember that one? The reality of the matter is that it is string along weinland’s life that is becoming desperate. With each leaving, string along weinland’s income gets reduced. Sooooooo, string along weinland how do you explain that one!!

    With string along weinland and his past failures it has always been the same old routine. I am of the opinion this is what is waking up certain people to his same old lying lies.

    String along weinland knows that 2019 is not going to happen. String along weinland is going to create a new date, he has no choice!! You to have to ask the question, how many prophets are in pkg? There are three, string along weinland, backbiting laura, and where am I Audra. Not to mention the two witnesses. Well, where are they!!??

    It is only a matter of time and the date will be changed to 2023. It will be interesting to see how many will go along with string along weinland. If they do, then there is no hope for them.

    So the bottom line is this, it is the some old repetitive song song from string along weinland. His problem now is all the ones who dumped him and have regained their lives and are doing well will stand out and simply – hey! I told you that string along weinland is a lying thief!!

    Keep up the good work up string along weinland and it won’t be long now when you will be shopping at the good will stores.

  • martin says:

    I wish I could sit down and talk with some of these people and try to divine why they are still there.

    The sad thing is I probably would be wasting my breath.

    Now, the thing is, I would not dissuade them from believing the bible! Nor would I dissuade them from believing in the Two Witnesses.

    What I would ask is, does Ronald Weinland match the clear biblical description given about the Two Witnesses??

    The interesting thing is that the TW’s are unique (outside of the Messiah), in that prophecy describes THEM rather than the prophecy that they will speak or give (the norm for biblical prophets).

    Does Ronald Weinland match any description at all? Not one bit, not one iota.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Martin, people who believe that their leader is a conduit from God for revealed truth generally aren’t dissuaded by fact, science, logic, or objectivism. It’s hilarious when people use the programmed statement that “we don’t follow a man”, when they are single sourcing all of their information about God and His plan to one teacher, and feel compelled to contribute massive amounts of money to his ministry.

    The deception isn’t usually only their unique and authoritative teachings about things that are basically unknowable. That all falls into place once they institute their primary deception, which is that Ron or any other of these “leaders” are a conduit to them from God. Once a leader can get significant numbers of people believing that, basically he’s got them for life. It’s why they don’t feel self-conscious or embarrassed to apply such bogus titles to themselves as apostle, prophet, the two witnesses, etc. In the Bible, those were all used as God’s mouthpiece.

    So, I agree. Your targeted audience would most likely not listen to you, regardless of your scriptural knowledge, or persuasive powers. Something needs to snap, making them realize that Ron is not God’s mouthpiece. Unfortunately, that something would usually be a betrayal or trauma. Education sometimes has a little sting to it.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I just reviewed string along weinland latest chart of foolishness.

    In it, he states, that the two witnesses’s physical work began on Nov 9, 2015. The question I have to ask is, “what do you mean by physical work”? I haven’t seen or hear anything from string along weinland, has anybody?

    Also, I remember Johnny Harrell stating that once string along weinland got out of prison on Feb 2016 that his “forgotten” book would be published and that the world would shutter at string along weinland’s name. I ask, does the global community even know string along weinland name? Much less, to have this mortal fear of him!? I haven’t seen it yet.

    No wonder string along weinland is losing members! Were is the fear? Where is the presence on the world stage?

    This really is a low budget dog and pony show!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is now time for string along weinland to anoint Maxine Waters as a prophet.

    This would be a great addition to string along weinland’s cult!!!!!!

  • martin says:

    I don’t want to advertise for Ron, but where can I find this chart?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    It was the one that was posted on this blog.

    Nothing new it is only the same old line of BS.

  • disgusted says:

    First of all Ron is such a LIAR. He said:
    How many are going to be there at the return of Jesus Christ regardless of when it is, which I still believe is 2019? With all of my being, I do. But I believed the same about 2012.
    HE NEVER BELIEVED CHRIST WAS RETURNING IN 2012. If that was the case why did he spend 100’s of thousands of dollars of the church’s money to have lawyers defend him on a trial that would have started AFTER May of 2012. Where was his faith. He shouldn’t have needed lawyers or the need to defend himself if Christ was to return before his trial. explain that one ron

    Secondly:
    (Anyway, the most staggering fact in the midst of the ordinations that have been in the Church of God—PKG—37 have been disfellowshipped. 37 ministers in the Church of God—PKG are no longer
    in God’s Church. That’s incredible! That’s mind boggling. There are 37 who did not remain faithful to God and Jesus Christ, to God’s government, and to me as God’s apostle, but that’s minor
    compared to what they actually did, not being faithful to God Almighty and Jesus Christ. There are 37 who turned against God’s Church and against God’s people. Awesome! Incredible, such numbers. Blows the mind. All the way from associate elder to evangelist. All the way through.)
    AGAIN HALF TRUTHS. Most of those ordained left that organization only to be disfellowhipped because the left. They were not PUT OUT THEY WALKED OUT. THEY DID NOT LEAVE GOD’S CHURCH BUT RON AND LAURA’S CULT OF SATAN.

    thirdly:
    So we have to be careful how we speak and how we talk about one another, but I’ll tell you what, if it’s one of God’s ministers you’d better be extra careful and on guard because if you’re loose
    there you’re going to be far looser in how you talk about one another in the Body of Christ. That’s the point. If we can’t be stirred, moved, and motivated, and more on guard when it’s God’s
    apostle, or when it’s one of God’s prophets, or if it’s one of God’s evangelists, or one of God’s senior pastors, then I can guarantee you, you can take that to the bank, you can know that it’s far
    freer when it’s about one another in the Body of Christ. That’s a great tell tale sign right there. So I hear individuals that I know are not on guard against speaking out about something in a
    negative way. It doesn’t even have to be a matter of accusation. It can be just in a bad way or not a decent or respectful way because of the office or because of the person. It is a fearful thing
    because the person is in the Body of Christ and is not afraid to talk about somebody else. I fear that kind of thing, brethren. I always have, and to do otherwise is a giant mistake. I hope and
    pray you understand what I’m saying. Because, see, these things still go on to this day.

    What a joke. It is Laura who is the biggest gossiper in the cult. Why doesn’t he address her mouth as an example of what not to say. And the reason tongue’s are wagging is that people see what is going on in the lives of those ordained and the sins going on in the cult that are not being addressed. But if you are liked by the cult leaders you can’t do any wrong and Ron help you if you try to speak up.

    They are just pissed off that they couldn’t control the situation so they lashed out to make it look bad for those that saw the truth and had to guts to leave. they disafellowhipment was put in place to keep members from reaching out and possible finding out the truth. That is why they are keep off facebook and this site. Ron is afraid of the truth. That is why not one member was allowed to attend the trial. Because the truth did come out and it did not set him free.

    IN ALL REALITY THOSE THAT GET DISFELLOWHIPPED ARE TRULY THE ONES THAT ARE BLESSED.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    You nailed it disgusted! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This week I deliven moms house and I took can food from 2000 to dump I had my 1/2 ton truck loaded to max with all the can food and shit all the money she wasted , the asshole told her 3-4 times the world was going to end the so called ( end time ) Ron and the money whore made millions now all the old people are broke !

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Please don’t send tights to this crooks , nothing is going to happen they want your money !!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    No doubt that string along weinland is reading this blog. Because there are ex-elders here that tell the truth about string along weinland and his cult.

    Like what the end of deut 18:22 says “have no fear of him”.

    To bad for you weinland, get use to it you rotting debris of human flesh.

    He is losing control and it is driving him crazy!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Disgusted,

    I am one of those 37 ex-elders.

    I love your disgust for string string along weinland. I know this family of bilge rats personally. They are arrogant liars and could care less about the welfare of those they deceive. They are DISGUSTING!!!

    You are absolutely right about former elders just walking out!! And the reason is the same for all. They figured out the lies and deceptions. For this clown weinland to go on a rant about being chosen for all the titles he claims is DISGUSTING!!!

    String along weinland is a lying thief and continues to do so. It bring joy to me to see finally all his lies are catching up to him. I do the two step dance when I hear that members are telling weinland to shove it and walking out. His ignorant use of shunning (disfellowhip) is a JOKE!!! I agree with you, he “must” keep a barrier between those who have figured this clown out and left and the remaining membership. Hooray for them!!!

    I find it gratifying that when the backbiting laura attempted to shut down this blog and failed! It was about a copyright issues and these bilge rats thought they had won. Well, it failed just like all the rest of string along weinland’s threats and predictions.

    The real issue here is the shrinking income. This family of bilge rats are in a panic!! They know 2019 is a failure and are in panic mode to save what they have. They are already feeling the effects of this failure. The smart ones are questioning this liar’s prediction and string along weinland CANNOT handled being questioned and it shows!! This is one arrogant delusional idiot!!!

    I hope that you will continue to express your opinions here. I look forward to reading them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    String along weinlandd you are disgusting and you are NOT what you claimed to be!!!

    You are NOTHING and are powerless to do anything about anything that opposes you!! Yes, we have heard about all the death threats and the claim of being the only thing between God and humanity is STUPID!!!!

    How does it feel to know that you are just an ordinary sub-human and are totally powerless. Like it says in Deut 18:22, “have no fear of him”. This is about you!!! string along weinland!!

    How does it feel to be known as a powerless lying thief!! Go figure you clown!!!

  • martin says:

    “That’s incredible! That’s mind boggling. There are 37 who did not remain faithful to God and Jesus Christ, to God’s government, and to me as God’s apostle,”

    I like how Ron likes to slip stuff like that in…titles…he’s God’s apostle (according to him alone, of course).

    An apostle is on sent forth to preach before kings and rulers of this world….

    None of which Ron has ever done, or ever will do. (the guy ran away with his tail between his legs from a comedian…from what was it? Idea City? I forget)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Disgusted,

    The question you posed is the very question that I asked of someone that is still in PKG maybe about a year ago. They did not give me a definitive answer, but deflected their answer on to possibly following Wayne or Johnny down the road.

    My answer to that still holds water………….they can see the corruption and lies but yet they stay?? They’re just as bad! I was wondering how long has it been since you left Disgusted. I l left just over two years ago, and have no intentions ever of going back.

    EIE, you’re absolutely right! Ron and company are in panic and in dire straits. Gone are those fat and heady days of 2007-08 when the money was coming in fast and furious. Gone are the jet setting trips to God knows where at the expense of the congregation.

    Now it’s Costco, Goodwill, and perhaps the Salvation Army and food stamps for all we know……………..boo hoo!

    Randy, I still have canned goods in my basement from the debacle of May 27, 2012……….I’m not sure it’s anymore good…..I guess I could open up a can and see! 🙂 What does your Mom say after going through this several times? How does she feel about Ron missing the mark—-waaaay off the mark this amount of times now and does she mention anything about 2019 possibly not happening?

    Martin, that was IdeaCity where Ron ran away in disgust………..I have the video of it on my hard disc still and I think it’s on YouTube.

    I’m just counting down the months till 2019 when once again, it’ll be a big BUST! Then like clockwork, he’ll once again have yet another date. This is too sad for those that can’t see through this BS and get away for good!

  • Fooled No More says:

    I should preface my previous comment about 2019 not possibly happening………….to it’s not happening period!! 😉

  • martin says:

    If 2019 is a correct date, think about what that is saying…

    It’s saying that Ronald Weinland knew something that Christ Himself did not know. So Ron has it up on Christ…that just appalling to even contemplate.

  • Byker Bob says:

    The ACOGs, unfortunately, have become little more than an end times betting pool! There is no inspiration of God behind the various dates. It’s as if an imaginary suoernatural bookie were taking bets placed by all of the fake prophets and fake apostles of Armstrongism. Weinland puts his money on 2019, Meredith guesses further into the future, Thiel guesses another date, and Pack has gone way off the grid by saying that Jesus is going to appear privately to the RCG members in Wadsworth Ohio, before He makes His official return.

    Very few of the members hold these people responsible for the errors, and if God is a respector of the people with the correct doctrine, if those are indeed who He reveals His prophecies to, then being wrong on proohecy also means you got the doctrines wrong. I have nothing against the Old Covenant sabbath, but the sabbatarians of today have no better record of correct prophecies than do Sunday-keeping Christians.

    BB

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I found something good to do with lots of the “old” canned goods. I’ve been using it to supplement the horse food for the winter. Not going to waste at least. Yep, still feeding the horses that Gary just walked away from. You know, to follow God, you need to prove yourself and walk away from all none believers. That includes wive, house, animals, job, etc… How sad. Two of the dogs have since died of old age, have gotten two other puppies, my job still going strong. The house is still here, etc… and where is the one that was to have been blessed for following Ron? As far as I know, not with much.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glade I’m Free,

    That is music to my ears to hear that you are doing well.

    Raw reality is the greatest teacher of all. As for your “ex,” I am sure his life isn’t going so well. All you have to do is to look at the reality of things about you and it will speak for itself.

    String along weinland, backbiting laura, and where am I audra are a curse to those who follow them. All you have to do is to look at what is going on in weinland’s cult. Internal corruption, a delirious self proclaimed what ever leader, shrinking income, falsehoods, negative growth, and the instilling of fear not to question the delirious leader string along weinland. It is all about control of the mind and they (bilge rat family weinland) are losing that battle.

    Fooled No More, made an interesting comment, “deflected their answer on to possibly following Wayne or Johnny down the road”. The only one I see doing this is Wayne. Johnny does not have what it takes to lead a cult like weinland. The only issue would be, “who gets the money”!!

    BB, I commend you on your insight into the acogs. Sometimes it is hard to understand their lunacy.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “I left just over two years ago, and have no intentions ever of going back” , Fooled No More

    I would enjoy the opportunity to go back and cause disunity and division of what is left of weinland’s cult!! String along weinland would regret the day he let me back in!!

    It is my opinion that string along weinland may offer amnesty to those that left. You must understand, he is becoming desperate and has to save face somehow. If he does this, it is because he will claim that he was ordered to in order for Christ to return. I know this sounds like lunacy, but, when it comes to string along weinland anything is possible!!

    Pay attention to this string along weinland, I will come and expose and destroy you from within!! Open the door and watch what will happen, plus, I will NOT give you one red penny of my money to you PERIOD!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, that’s a VERY interesting possibility! If he does that, lets see how he’ll take it when one of them says that very thing. “Sure, I’ll come back, but you get none of my money——-I’ll put it in to a trust or give it to charity instead!”.

    I’ll bet that would go over like a skunk in a space suit! It would also point out very clearly that he’s only in it for the money. 😉

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More,

    We both know that the amnesty would be conditional upon giving money to string along weinland, that is a given.

    The truth of the matter is that the amnesty would not be about forgiving at all!! This would only be string along weinland’s demand for your money and if you didn’t agree then he would condemn you to eternal hell fire. So much for forgiving amnesty!!

    It would be interesting to see if he actually does this. I agree, I think there is a possibility. No doubt those that left weinland’s cult would go into boisterous laughter over this. I know I will, but, I know I wouldn’t get passed the first demand, give me your money!!

    We will see what the future will bring.

  • martin says:

    Ron condemns others for not tithing to him.

    Ron should get a clue about God thinks of him buying expensive jewelry and expensive paintings and erotic panties using tithe money, rather than using it to fund preaching on tv, or radio, or in print.

    A mere pittance is probably used to pay for the website of his…
    The rest is used to pay for his greedy lusts for merchandise.

  • Excogger says:

    Since the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD no-one should be tithing to anyone…..Period.

    Even the Jews do not tithe today, although a few of them pay for seats in their synagogue.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Have no fear string along weinland’s lust for money will be his end!

  • FedUp says:

    The PKG is destined to break up into several smaller groups meeting in living rooms and basements. The location and leadership may change, but the COGs will continue to serve up a thin, watery porridge to the faithful.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FedUp,

    That wouldn’t surprise me. Johnny would run the southeast and wayne would be in Australia. The question remains, who get the money?

  • It would be interesting to get Wayne, Johnny and Weinland to counter the idea there was no Exodus.

    It would be great spectator sport to watch someone who can imitate Tucker Carlson accost them and keep telling them, “You haven’t answered the question — answer the question”.

    It’s too bad there can’t be such an encounter.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    It gets better Douglas…

    I lived in Israel for a time. The Exodus lasted 42 years in total covering a space roughly equivalent of the distance between Detroit, Michigan, and Buffalo, NY! How do you wander for 42 years in that space with OVER ONE MILLION PEOPLE? and not leave a single trace.

    The Sinai is not a sand dune desert, but more of a ‘hard ground, lots of rocks’ kind of desert, so the presence of MILLIONS of Israelites for 42 YEARS would leave millions of camp fire sites, dropped bits of metal or leather, beads, wood fragments, dried biological remains (dead people, poop), quail bones, broken swords, spears, coins, jewelry, teeth, bones, and everything else possible. NOTHING has been found out there. NO-THING. It is dry dead and empty out there, and JEWISH archeologists have found NOTHING. There are also no Egyptian records of an Exodus, and like you point out 1st Chronicles contradicts the Exodus account in Genesis 41.

    I have been out in the Sinai Peninsula. You have to ignore Reality to believe the Biblical Exodus. Not even Jewish archeologists believe it happened.

  • And the point, Avalokiteshvara, is that we all want Weinland to explain all that. Forget his failed prophecies, if the Old Testament isn’t true, then anything he says has no authority or meaning at all.

    Of course, as an aside, and thanks for your comment — appreciate the first hand experience, which is even harder to refute — the Bible at this point only has religious meaning if we respect it as over a thousand years of collections of observations of thoughts on God to give us inspiration. If that works for us.

    Nevertheless, that’s about the best we can do.

    So here we are.

    I can’t think of a single reason anybody should be happy with us for telling truth (except maybe a few atheists and agnostics, which may be the same thing). When topics like this come up with PROOF, everybody goes silent and the room goes dark. People flee and pretend nothing has happened and there’s nothing to see.

    Sort of like the PKG facing all those years of false prophecy with Swineland.

    Truth is dirty, nasty. It’s not for everyone.

    Next time we can talk about how Job was the son of Issachar and speculate how that works with the timeline of ‘history’ in the Bible, not that anyone much can really explain the book of Job… there’s just too much to take in and it’s been an unhappy exploration by theologians for hundreds of years….

    TRUTH! YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

    Avalokiteshvara, you should know that people have been attacking me because I am wrong 99% of the time, that I’m a liar and that I’m incapable of research. I know. But I’m trying… and besides, if I’m wrong 99% of the time, there are 3.5 days a year that I’m absolutely right! Who can say that?

    I wonder if they have some sort of agenda?

    But at least people can be legitimately desperately unhappy with me now for telling the truth.

    If you want to make people angry, lie to them and when they find out they will be angry, but tell them the truth and they’ll be furious!

  • Avalokiteshvara, I wanted to thank you for your comment above. It is now included in the “No Exodus” article (at the end).

    It’s plagiarism WITH attribution.

    Thanks again.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    If this blog is to become an atheistic blog. I am not interested, see ya!!

  • FedUp says:

    EIE,

    Unfortunately, some people who left Armstrongism assume we all lost our faith when we left. I haven’t, and apparently neither have you.

    I object to atheistic screeds as much as I do to those who post endless scripture quotations.

    I’ve said it before. PKG people who may be quietly looking for some answers won’t be convinced to leave the group by atheistic arguments posted here. In fact, it may drive them back as they strongly believe in God in some fashion and may take such arguments as proof that Satan is outside the PKG, not leading it.

    As for the scripture quotations, I guarantee you the PKG folks have read them all many times from their own Bibles. What they need is to read the facts about how people like Weinland conduct themselves and what effect they’re having on their followers. It’s the words and behavior of Weinland that will convince people to free themselves from his grip.

    Dissect Ron’s sermons. Quote his absurdities. Tell about the families and marriages he’s destroyed. Some will stay with PKG no matter what, but there are others who will read these comments and stories and begin to recognize the truth about him. Try to turn them off God and they’ll tune you out.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FedUp,

    I agree with you totally!!

    I am only interested in helping the ones who are in the process of leaving antiquated religious individuals like weinland! I also object to the atheistic rants!! They are no better than weinland himself!!!!

    I will ignore the current atheistic rants and continue to expose weinland for what he is. However, if this current trend of atheistic rants continue, I will wash my hands of this site and move on.

    Thank you for your support FedUp.

  • martin says:

    That’s one of the things I loathe about Ronald Weinland…

    His apparent ability to turn people into atheists.

    Rather than turning into an atheist, why can’t they just see that Ron is fulfilling prophecy? That of a false prophet deceiving many. Of course Ron is not the only one doing this. It’s terrible to be “bitten” by these evil men…but just use it as a jumping board to be more careful next time around…

    That Ron is evil, doesn’t rock my faith one tiny bit.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron and Laura
    Are full of shit !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I have a question for you string along weinland.

    Is it proper for a lying thief false prophet, such as yourself, to partake of the Passover?

    I do not think so. Hummmmm, condemnation to oneself.

    You know, once a liar always a liar. Fitting for someone like you – isn’t it!

  • martin says:

    EiE, if you’re interested, here is an excellent (non-denominational) book that supplies evidence for the historicity of Jesus (and contemporaries), now the book can be very “technical”, and highly academic, but is excellent…

    I will probably take another crack at it, as it is good to re-read every few years…

    “The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict: Evidence I & II Fully Updated in One Volume To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians in the 21st Century.” by Josh McDowell

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Thanks.

    I will look into it.

    String along weinland really is a waste of my good time.

    It is time for this fraud to be exposed for the lying thief that he is.

  • martin says:

    I’d hate to be Ron on judgement day….seriously.

    The bible clearly stated that Ron was presumptuous and Ron has the unmitigated gall to contradict GOD HIMSELF and say, no God, I was not presumptuous.

    Ron is lucky he isn’t a pile of ash on the ground.

  • martin says:

    EiE if you do decide to get the book, be fore warned….it is not an easy read. But if my head didn’t explode reading it, then your head won’t explode either, if you decide to read it.

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    Weinland is a joke , He has no idea the damage he has done to the old,young,and in between . No credibility whatsoever, But Pkg is still a thing ? Boggles my mind . Archeologist are still finding proof of biblical occurrences. Herods palace was found within the last decade and people thought he was a farce. I’d sit tight and let things play out think logical but totally throwing the notion that a creator existm.. to each it’s own I guess .

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well Johnny,

    Is it getting difficult to answer questions about why string along weinland’s false prophesy is failing again for the fourth time.

    I remember you saying that after he got out of prison that the world would stutter at his name and all the acogs would be kissing is feet. Well Johnny, I am asking you the question, where is string along weinland and his backbiting wife? Do you have an answer for this? Probably not.

    Passover is near and how can you take Passover knowing you are promoting a lying thief? I would think about accountability if I were you. Knowingly supporting an individual who lied to the IRS and claimed fraudulent tax returns for five years and served prison time for this is a problem. Not to mention the marriages and relationships he destroyed with his falsehoods and arrogance.

    You know as well as I do he is liar. Having 37+ so called ministers leaving speaks loudly! They saw the lies and could no longer string along other members. They finally came to the point that they had to wash their hands of this fraudulent cult of string along weinland. How can you promote lies and know it, thus, it becomes your sin in doing so. Anyone of good conscious would have to question why and do the right thing and divest themselves before it became an albatross hanging around their necks.

    There is far more righteousness in their departure then from promoting the lies and falsehoods of string along weinland – I applauded them for their courage and knowing what the right thing was to do and depart from it.

    So Johnny, my question to you is this, how long are you going to knowingly promote the lies and falsehood that equate to willful sinning? How sure are you that you are not dishonoring the Passover?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ron is very good at what’s called “projection”. In other words, he’d good at accusing others of the very thing that he’s doing, or others close to him are doing. Take gossip for instance—–He’ll preach on ad nauseum about how it’s not right to gossip within the congregation about others (or those in the world for that matter), yet there’s Laura that can talk about others endlessly (I’ve heard it!), and yet nothing’s done about it so he’s just as guilty.

    He daren’t mention about his wife’s inability to control her tongue in front of everyone—–she hears the same sermons, yet it continues.

    In regards to Passover, Ron likes to quote the one scripture about how one should not partake of the Passover unworthily—–it’s the reason why some of you are so “sick”. Really Ron?? You’ve been partaking of the Passover for many a year…….is that why you’re so sick and demented in your way of “projection”??

    Well as the days, weeks, and months go without as much as a whimper, it’ll be interesting to see what excuse Ron comes up with as to why things didn’t happen yet again leading up to Pentecost 2019. And sadly, there will still be folks that stay due to thinking that they’re “disobeying God” by not “staying close to the trunk of the tree”.

    Never mind that the tree had stopped producing leaves, and had dry rotted to the core quite some time ago. It’s just a matter of time before a strong gust of wind knocks it over, or lightning hits it and destroys it for good. 😉

  • Byker Bob says:

    The book Martin suggested is pretty awesome. Some Christian customers of mine gave me a copy about 5 years ago. It is edifying and reassuring to someone who is already Christian, but when I presented it on another blog, the most outspoken of our atheist friends pretty much rejected it out of hand. I don’t know whether they had read it and carefully considered it for themselves, or read the opinions of others on the internet. Mythicism has become very popular on some of the blogs wihin the past several years. The imporant thing to remember is that you can’t prove a negative. In other words, it is impossible to prove that Jesus did not exist. You can only raise doubt and create alternative theories. Many acclaimed historians believe in the historicity of Jesus.

    BB

  • Ozymandias says:

    FNM, Ron is not the trunk of the tree, God and Christ are. Ron is a weed at best.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    More like ant droppings!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    BB & Martin:

    I have ordered the book and i am looking forward to reading it.

    Thanks for the recommendation!!

  • Ruby McCormick says:

    Well as for me, Weinland didn’t create an atheist, but I did become unable to listen to any religious ramblings. It’s all opinions at this point. I just want to see he and his family go down. I think for myself as we all should. I enjoy we have faiths of all kinds, including a lack thereof. I did enjoy the discussion above with Douglas and others. (shrug.) But most of all, I am thrilled when each person leaves Weinland’s cult.

    That. I. Am. Thankful. For.

    Ruby

  • Eric says:

    Another contradiction from Ron from his Ronald Weinland.com site

    “It has been a long time since a post was last put on this site and that was the final part for Chapter 7 of the new book, Prophesy Against the Nations. Since that time, there has been much going on, and there has not been a great need for another post.”

    Yup lots going on but no need to tell you or the world about it. Approximately 2 years before an utmost cataclysm for the world but no need to keep warning the PKG members and the world. I told you about this many years ago and I’m not bothering to tell you again, my job is done. PKG members what about all those billions of people who have not heard the message, he doesn’t care about them. They are not worth making an effort for. Let them die horrible deaths of sickness, disease, war, famine etc and don’t give them a chance to prepare.

    Just keep a web site going with his latest sermon that costs almost nothing to run. Only offer electronic copies of his latest book to people on the internet with the exception of a few he printed for his members. No cost in electronic copies..

    or he is just getting lazy and I genuinely think that’s what is happening. He is tiring of the game because he realises that his 2019 prophecy is going to come to the same end as his previous prophecy. He knows that for sure and he is in damage control already.

    And more and more PKG members realise this. The firebrand is gone and the wet bus ticket remains.

    PKG members look around you at all your friends who have left. How many remain from all those that used to be at your meetings? With the constant attrition of PKG members I don’t know exactly how many are left but my best guess is about 200 – 250. Why have they left? Don’t you feel the difference in Ron like they did?

    Are you the faithful few or the foolish feather-brained.

    Time to get in the lifeboats and jump ship as the already vast majority of PKG members have done.

  • martin says:

    There hasn’t been much prophesying against the nations…

    What Ron rely means when he says this is judging them and executing them.

    Alas Ron is not doing this, and will never do this.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… he is just getting lazy and I genuinely think that’s what is happening. He is tiring of the game because he realizes that his 2019 prophecy is going to come to the same end as his previous prophecy. He knows that for sure and he is in damage control already …” Eric

    The truth is that string along weinland can no longer manage all of the lies and his history of failed predictions, 2019 is already a failure.

    Another problem are the ones who have left string along weinland all for the same reasons, a proven lying falsely proclaimed prophet and witness. And that reason is that the lies about his tax evasion and prison time proved to be just that, he broke the law and was justly convicted and served prison time for tax evasion on five counts. Not to mention the colossal failures of 2012, 2013 of Christ’s return. And the truth of 2019 is obvious to some in pkg and those that know string along weinland that it is failing! IT is the some old string along tactic to keep the money coming in. This can only go on for so long and then people begin to realize they have been played for a fool.

    His books are a joke and the latest one, whom Johnny proclaimed that would put the world in fear of string along weinland, failed miserably!!

    Go Figure!!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Somebody named Henry came up with a website called “itistimecog.com” several months back, interpreting Revelation in such a manner as to forecast massive global earthquakes for iirc, sometime in October 2016. When these did not come to pass, he apologized, took down the website, and we’ve not seen anything from him since. That was a good example, and separates from the false prophets the occasional sincere individual who believes that God is using them to get out a message, and then repents when it becomes obvious that He was not.

    Imagine what a wonderful world it would be if all “prophets”, upon discovering that it was not God inspiring them, deeply repented and just went away and quit exploiting people who wanted to follow them!

    BB

  • martin says:

    I forget, I know Ron forbid people from checking out blogs like this and or others….

    But I forget, just how much was known when Ron was being tried and sent to prison, what did a PKG member know? Did they even know what the trial was about? Or was the lid shut so tight, that nobody knew anything?

    The truth is easy to keep track of, but lies run around the world.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    I was there at the time.

    String along weinland convinced everyone that the government had it out for him and he was being persecuted for his beliefs. Guess what, we all brought the lie lot stock and barrel!!! And yes, it was forbidden by string along weinland for anyone to visit this site and if you did you were toast and thrown out!!! There were some of us who did visit this site and basically told weinland catch me if you can!!

    Also, he was saying, if he did go to prison it would not matter because he was one of the two witnesses and God would not allow him to stay in prison. Well, guess what, he served his entire time in prison and his date of Christ’s return failed failed failed!!!!!

    What a Jackass this guy is!!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, I was there too, and it even got so bad that we were shunned and looked at funny if we even questioned the goings on in the trial. We would be quickly hushed up and told…………”Ron has said not to talk about that!”

    No kidding!

    I know someone for instance that WAS reading up on what was going on, and she said that she was “lookin for the truth.” Another member had told her “Honey we KNOW the truth.” Sadly, AFAIK this person is still there……apparently the friendships she’s made over the years are too painful for her to give up.

    I thought personally that this was nothing more than a witch hunt as the IRS can be very shady when it come to conservative groups……..particularly religious ones. We also had Laura feeding us with what would turn out to be flat out falsehoods for example……….

    She told us that one of the Elders that testified against Ron didn’t know what he was talking about because he was suffering the after effects of a stroke. Huh?? How can that be when said Elder after he got smart and left this con was out and about driving his car??

    How many people do you know go out and about driving their car after having a stroke??

    It would take a bit for me to catch on, and it’s interesting that I knew NOTHING about this blog till about a week or so after I got fed up and called it quits. I still can’t think of anything to date that’s been so eye opening……Oh wait, learning what the CIA does while we’re not noticing being spied on.

    Ha! For all we know COG-PKG could be nothing more than a sort of CIA front! Wouldn’t that be something?? 😀

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Do you remember all of string along weinland’s predictions about the “thunders” and the “tiny book”. Well, what happened? NOTHING!!!!

    So, I guess, all of that garbage doesn’t matter anymore? String long weinland claims his job is over? If this is so, shouldn’t him and his backbiting wife be dead for 3.5 days!? All of these lies are just that, lies!!

    The point is this, all of this language coming from him has no value at all and should be ignored and it already is except for the longing desire of what is left of pkg to vindicate string along weinland. Sorry folks, you will die of old age before that happens! Good Luck with that one!

    Lies, lies, and more lies from the liar weinland.

  • martin says:

    Nothing happened with his so called Thunders. NOTHING.

    It was all made up in his muddled mind.

    I loved how he stated (for the 2012 date), how Satan put it in his mind that the 2012 was wrong.

    This guy has God and Satan communicating with him and he apparently can’t tell the difference. Does that sound like he’s got a clue? When your prophet can’t tell the difference between God and Satan, maybe you should move on to another prophet.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    I think Ron the asshole and his Gossipper wife are sick in head and need help !!!

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Never one thing they said happen in 25 years but they got and spent a hell lot of money , Ron you are not the man you thank you are you have no more then are local dog catcher or trash man , you just learn to steal on Internet! Asshole and your bitch ! Hope you go back to prison bubba is lonesome !!!!

  • martin says:

    When Liz Taylor died and Michael Jackson died, I’m sure that Ronald Weinland was drooling…thinking….”see….see….just like I said!”

    No, it didn’t happen. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

    That is, nothing Ron prophesied will happen, now there are plenty of bible prophesies that will happen, but nothing will happen the way Ron said it will, because Ron is a false prophet.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    All that I ask for is that the remainder of pkg finally sees and understand the false idol that is before them – ronald weinland!!!!!!!

  • martin says:

    How false does a false prophet have to be before you recognize he’s a false prophet????

    Apparently a lot.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    I just received the book you recommended. It looks like a really good read.

    Thanks for the recommendation.

    On the string along weinland matter, only time will tell. We all know once he dies or becomes incapacitated it will all end. Hey string along weinland this is an absolute truth – live with it!

  • martin says:

    Glad you like it….I just found my copy….I will enjoy re-reading it as well.

    I have to double check, but from the looks of it, Ron has severely cut back on the “business” trips all around the world.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    That would not surprise me. Here are string along weinland’s issues:

    1) Reduce expenses for everyday items – shopping at Costco – “lack of surplus cash”.

    2) IRS audits – not able to shift cash from one account to another – must file a true and accurate income tax form.

    3) Continuing health issues – primarily a non-repairable heart condition – continual stress due to maintaining and management of lies and falsehoods.

    4) Still remains an “unknown” to the global community – failure of the two witnesses – another lie and falsehood.

    5) Dwindling membership who now questioned the proclaimed authority and current failing 2019 prediction of Christ’s return.

    6) Continual criticism posted on the internet and social media is taking it toll on string along weinland’s get rich quick religious con.

    7) Getting to old to maintain the pace and stress of being a lying thief and religious conman.

    Need I say any more?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    The book you recommended is far superior to anything string along weinland could ever write!!!

    By the way, has anyone seen or heard from the invisible phony prophet/witness/apostle/etc!?

  • martin says:

    Yes, it has been a best seller (if I remember correctly), for a long time.

    It’s an excellent book….lots of good information.

  • ERic says:

    Can I add to Martins excellent list –

    8) Pay back all the missing taxes that he didn’t pay ($245, 176.00)

    9) After his release be under supervision as part of his sentence for three more years.

    (The conditions of his supervision are found at http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/112_Sentencing-Order.pdf and are not just minor inconveniences.)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Looking at that sentencing order Eric, he’s going to need to keep scamming people for a loooooong time! I’d say he wouldn’t live long enough to pay all that he owed, and that’s just covering the years they listed! We have no idea about the years 2010-12.

    Sigh…………..and the sad thing is, how many remaining in PKG have ever looked up this info if they dared with everything right at their fingertips?

    Very few if any, and those that did are still insane enough to stay there. 🙁

  • martin says:

    That was EiE’s excellent list….

    So, Ron has not payed all that he owes???

    I do wonder if everybody got paid yet?

    The IRS?

    The Lawyers?? (I wonder what the lawyer’s bill was, lol, they did a great job!)

  • Fooled No More says:

    Yet he flew off to the Netherlands recently for Passover—–he was able to come up with money for that! Of course on the backs of the tithe payers no doubt. I wonder if they put a lien on the house……that alone would satisfy a lot of the debt.

    Frankly, IMO that was ill gotten as he and Laura didn’t have to buy such an extravagant house. There are plenty of nice homes out there that don’t cost anywhere near $380,000.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    I got the best laughter of my life just now,mom said Ron told them what would happen when Trump took over . Hahahaha the asshole didn’t know what happen when Bush , Clinton, Bush or Obama was in ,
    No more pope
    Bush would be last Pres!
    Borders blown up
    2/3 of vegition gone
    Christ is returning 4 times
    And only thing happen is asshole went to prison for not paying tax on 4 million he used in peronsol expenince

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Well, why didn’t string along weinland announce his findings to the global community? Isn’t he one of the two witnesses?

    What is the matter string along weinland? Are you afraid of making a fool of yourself to the world?

    The fact is, you are a lying fool!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I thought I read somewhere that he had to have the fines paid before he could get out of prison? Didn’t he ask for people to fast and give all they could to pay for this so he could get out?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    He did.

    String along weinland doesn’t have any money that he can call his own. ALL of his bills and personal expenses have been paid by the tithes of his followers and they still do. They just keep pumping money to this lying thief!!

    The problem is this, since this is donated money, it can easily disappear quickly. All it takes is for some event or information to come along that exposes this liar and it will all collapse. pkg is in a slow collapse now and this will continue. Old string along weinland will face this total collapse and that will be the end of it.

    String along weinland only has 24 months (minus 50 days from June 9th). Not much time to prove yourself but it is enough time to come up with a new calculation which will be another lie.

    lies lies and more lies

  • martin says:

    Ron is continuing with his sermon series :
    “Jesus Christ’s Real Life Story, Pt. 5 – Ronald Weinland”

    No prophesying? No casting of plagues? No correcting of nations?

    What happened with all of that?

    Why don’t PKGer’s question all this nonsense????????????

    So far, it’s been a big NO SHOW.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Maybe Randy could shed some light on what string along weinland’s opinion on what he told is mother about trump.

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron said , he can bring down fires and rain , most of his sheples are sick and he can’t heal them or his self or his Gossipping bitch

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    He is a fake , and everyone knows it , if I’m wrong please post !

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Enough is enough
    He said God put him in to bring down mankind ! And end the world ! Lol

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron is a republican !!

  • Randy Terlecki says:

    Ron can’t even heal his self !!!!! What a prophet ! There are so many in his church that have cancer and back ackes , and all he wants is tights

  • Byker Bob says:

    Weinland still teaches that God is going to use krautsourcing to punish the US and BC! Any rock n rollers who dig on the Scorpions know that this surely can’t be!

    BB

  • Eric says:

    “It’s boldfaced lies. I’m so sick of lies in this world, the lies that people have taught one another, the lies ministers out here teach knowing that they’re lying sometimes”

    Yes Ron, so are we.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    String along weinland doesn’t known how to tell the truth!

    He is a lying cheat and always will be! By the way, he is also a world class coward! Where the hell is he!? What happened to all his big mouth talk of being the ONLY true representative of God’s prophesies!? Liar liar pants on fire!!!

    Time is running out on YOU liar weinland!!! It seems your thunders were nothing more than a muffled fart!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    It seems Ron is laying low. I think he knows he is in trouble, that more of his “members” read this, just don’t say anything to anybody. Therefore, if he doesn’t say much, the people here can’t point out the lies, with the truth. Less for him to have to counter.

  • martin says:

    Can somebody repost that book description for the Ron’s new book (I think it was a forward written by a member for his book). I don’t see it on Ron’s site, at least I can not find it.

    The one that talks about Ron being imbued with power etc…etc…when he gets out of jail….

    I need a good laugh.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    That was a comment given in a sermon by Johnny Harrell. String along weinland’s promoters, wayne and johnny, were out there promoting this lying fool weinland. Welcome to the fantasy amusement park of ronald weinland!!

    Glad I’m Free – I have to agree with you. String along weinland has his foot very deep in his mouth. However, he still has to face the inevitable in the year of 2019. He cannot avoid that and he will be proven again the third or fourth time to be a liar and a false prophet/witness/apostle/etc.

    So the tactic now is to slow down the loss of the membership’s cash and it is now time for this slug weinland to prepare for the total collapse of his fraudulent scam to make himself rich on other’s hard earned cash.

    What messed him up on his scam was the IRS and his conviction on five counts of tax evasion.

    Hey weinland, time to pay your dues for being a liar and greedy bastard!!!

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    It’s sad that Ron has failed so many times that we can’t keep up with the number of times. Still these people follow him. They are humans with a brain, it should be time they wake up from the trance and face reality. It’s always hard to admit when your wrong, but God forgives and humans forget. Friends will stand by you, and family will raze you for a while, but it too will pass.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free,

    Being there to help them through the period of separating all of string along weinland’s filth from their mind will be a difficult road to travel for them. The anger and bitterness from coming to the realization that you put your trust in a liar like weinland is the hardest part to recover from.

    No one like to come to the conclusion that they have been played for a fool and not to mention all of the money you have given to this lying thief is downright sickening!!

    I am here for anyone who has finally realized that weinland is a lying thief and is on the path to purge their soul of weinland and I will be there for them and will do all I can to help them through the ugly transition from weinland’s deception and deceit!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, what you said is very true. There was someone that I got in touch with right after I left the church around this time two years ago. They had already left PKG about a year and half earlier.

    She was quite surprised to hear from me as initially she thought that I was still part of the church, and she knew that Ron totally shuns those that are part of the church from contacting former members.

    We had a very long conversation, and I directed her here to this blog. As to be expected, she was VERY shocked at the things she was reading about Ron’s trial, and all the crazy things about Herbert Armstrong that she never knew about, and that can be proven to be true.

    We kept in touch for a few months, but I remember her telling me how TOTALLY DEPRESSED she’s become while finding all of this out. Interesting enough, just before I got in touch with her, she told me she had thought about going back to PKG, but never quite made the commitment to do so. After a time, it was hard getting her to return calls and messages, and I eventually stopped trying. I figured that what happened is that she was to the point that she didn’t want anything to do with PKG particularly even those that were once a part of its past.

    I understood that——–for some people it can be a VERY traumatizing thing to have your life turned upside down for……………..nothing. And by a church no less.

    One of the reasons I’d like to see PKG as an organization come to a swift and screeching halt, is so Ron and company can do no more damage to honest hearted people. Hopefully 2019 will be the straw that breaks everyone’s back and they leave PKG all but empty.

  • martin says:

    EiE, do you know where I can find that comment by Johnny Harrel?

    I had wanted to repost it, so that others could see how absolutely none of it has happened (nor will happen).

  • martin says:

    If somebody knows where that comment was located here or at Ron’s blog, please let me know.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Martin, that was part of a sermon that Johnny gave. I found it (tortuously) in the midst of a PDF file on PKG’s website and it’s quoted here…….

    And it will be beginning when Ron
    gets out of prison and a message would go to this world, the beginning of knowing who the Great God
    of this universe is and who Jesus Christ is and what is in store for mankind. It’s a beautiful thing to
    know what is about to take place. They will begin to know that they have been lied to, that religious
    deception that has gone out around this earth.

    The PDF file is here

    At least I THINK this is the comment you’re referring too! 😀 Interestingly, this was the last sermon that Johnny gave just before Ron got out of prison, and sermons by him have been few and far between.

    Not that it’s a bad thing! 😆

  • martin says:

    Thanks!

  • Ronco says:

    Now you can see and hear Ron’s blather in a live video stream!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFkb1Gi7eOGkSiWD0V2jnGw/live

    Awesome!!!

    It looks like there are about 195 watching now…

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ha! When I clicked on it two had already left! 😀

  • martin says:

    The reason for so many parts is that Ron has so little material that he likes to stretch it out for 10 sermons…..

    He doesn’t know what to talk about. Like how he’s a false prophet because nothing he’s doing is fulfilling any prophecy whatsoever. Nor has any prophecies he’s spoken happened at all.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin:

    String along weinland is simply playing church for the moment. He is running scared because all his lies are catching up to him.

    We all know it is over for this clown.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Johnny Harrell,

    Have you has enough of this fool weinland yet?

    How many times have you gone to bat for weinland and struck out? How many more times at bat is it going to take before you realize that weinland is an outright fraud!!??

    Johnny, I know you well enough to say that you already know weinland is a lying fraud. Is it true that you are not giving sermons anymore? I truly hope that it is that you now know weinland is a fraud and are attempting to back out slowly. “IF” this is the case, my advise is to just dumped this lying fool weinland immediately – JUST BE DONE WITH IT –

    Johnny, come on now, you know why thirty seven elders, myself included, decided to leave weinland, I know you do. The reason why is that they all concluded that weinland was a lying greedy individual. So why do you continue in this lie and harm innocent people? You know as well as I do that by continuing in this you will be held to a higher degree of sin than weinland will be. Because you have knowingly promoted this and the innocent ones blood will also be on your hands. Do you really want this Johnny!? Because you better understand that by doing this willingly it is sin to you and you will answer for it!!

    Do your self a favor and get out of there while you can!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, what you wrote can be said the same of Wayne Matthews. I’ve met Wayne a number of times, and I would not call him dumb in the least. Yet, he is indeed still giving sermons, although I have to admit he hasn’t put the emphasis on the 2019 date much at all.

    He HAS to know that this won’t happen, and I don’t know how either he or Chris can live with themselves by wanting to still be a part of this fraud.

    Maybe there’s some other plans up his sleeve that we don’t know about——–perhaps branching off into yet another splinter group?—–who knows. Just the same, it’s still Ron’s organization as all the money is going to him and Laura. I don’t know how many times one needs to get bludgeoned over the head until they admit it hurts. 😮

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fooled No More;

    I also know Chris and Wayne and I must admit that I do not understand his loyalty to weinland. You are right, Wayne is not a stupid man, however, I have to question his ability to recognize a fraud when it is in front of his face. This may be the flaw in his character.

    I do not know if he stills promote weinland because at one time Wayne was the “salesman” of pkg! I don’t know if he still does this or not. I do agree that Wayne does have the potential to take away members from weinland. Maybe this is what Wayne has in mind but is waiting for the opportune time to do so. 2019 is a failure and Johnny and Wayne know it. Maybe they are waiting for June 2019 to stage their coup de’ tat and take over pkg. What is weinland going to do, curse them – yeah right –

    Hey weinland you need to watch out!! You are a loud mouthed powerless idiot and and will not be able to stop a staged coup when it comes your way. Watch Out!!! For June of 2019!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    OOOOPS, it may be April 20th of 2019. Remember you have to count back fifty days of weinland’s flawed numerology!!

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