PATN: Chapter 4 Part 1, An End to Deception

The deception continues:

It is not reposted here, for details please see the following post:


  • Acts says:
    “Satan is simply a liar, and as Christ said of him, he is the father of lies. It is just his way. With the kind of power that he and the demons have, individually and collectively, they are able to highly influence and sometimes even possess some people. They exercise such power on those who are willing subjects or who want to practice evil. They can highly influence those who are filled with strong pride, selfishness, and desire for wealth and/or power, because such people more readily yield themselves to this influence. ” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

  • Ronco says:


    A skilled Photoshop user to select a stunning image of the Transfiguration, replace the faces of Moses and Elijah with Mr Armstrong and Dave Pack, respectively. Replace the face of Jesus with Ron complete with propeller hat and paste the image on the cover of Pack’s Real Truth(TM) magazine with the subtitle ’21st Century Transfiguration’.

  • Acts says:

    “When people who are not doing what is right, And they claim certain things or say certain things about what is given to them , and it doesn’t come to pass then they have to Madly change everything and do something else , you know , or say Well , God showed me this
    An an we, I Just didn’t understand so God has revealed this to me now and Blah blah blah blah blah Blah blah !” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    May 30 2012
    “The beginning of the post dated April 20, 2012, states: “As readers of this site know, May 27, 2012, is the time that I have stated as being the date Jesus Christ will return as King of kings over all government on this earth.”
    Now it is God’s turn—Gods “time”—to deal with a disbelieving world! God’s day has come and it is the day of Christ’s coming.

    The day of Pentecost (May 27, 2012) that the Church has just observed is the “day” of Christ’s coming, just as God said it would be. But this “day” is prophetic.
    This “Day of the Lord” is a prophetic day that has a duration of a full year in its fulfillment. It began on Pentecost of 2012 and it will end on Pentecost of 2013. God has revealed that May 27, 2012 was the “prophetic day” for the return of His Son as King of kings. It will take one year to become fulfilled.
    God’s final day has now begun! ” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

  • Acts says:

    June 15 2012
    “Yes, the “Day of the Lord” is a year in actual length. May 27, 2012, was the beginning of the “Day of the Lord” when Jesus Christ will return on the final day of Pentecost 2013.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    May 1 2013
    “I’ve commented in the past that wearing sackcloth itches. It often itches because wearing true humility doesn’t go well with the human mind, because it is uncomfortable. Now that would be a great thing to prove.
    Prove humility! Learn to wear it always because it is in that state that the greatest work of transforming can thrive. That is the state in which God can produce more in us as we more perfectly yield to His molding, fashioning, and creating a new life in us.
    So strive to wear sackcloth always. It is truly vogue for the children of God to do so. ” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    May 19 2013
    Since God has revealed it is not yet time for His Son to return, there are areas of our websites that must be updated to reflect what God is revealing. False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Deuteronomy 18
    22when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously
    20But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, orf who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet *shall die.*

    God has revealed that Ronald Weinland is a False Prophet and a Dead man.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland thinks he’s got Satan figured out.

    Ron doesn’t know he’s WORKING FOR SATAN.

    Satan has his ministers, Ron is one of them. Posing as a minister of light.

  • Acts says:

    “Yet even in such a comparison to other stars, our sun is quite small.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Lost in Space !

    1 Sun 1 Moon . An Apostle and Prophet should know this, Ronald.

    Revelation 13:3 -The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. (Rev 12:4)

  • Acts says:

    “Much of what Satan and the demonic spirit realm worked to establish very early on in the world of pagan beliefs has only become more refined and strengthened in the form of modern false practices and beliefs” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Revelation 13:13 And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men

  • FedUp says:

    Are these “epistles” actually getting longer, or does it just feel that way?

  • And Ronald Weinland is the son of the Liar.

    It’s fascinating to watch how psychopaths work.

  • freeatlast says:

    The title of Rons last week sermon “all prophecy not set” – keep spinning and weaving your web of deceit Falsie Ron

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    Ron is in panic mode .All that info but nothing about the dates where he thrice times got it wrong only time he ever got it right is when he said if I get it wrong if what ive said doesnt come to pass than his words ” the reality is I’m just a false prophet” clearly.

  • Randy says:

    Ron don’t know the truth from a lie , he is mentally ill !!!!!! And his bitch takes avantiges of it to keep the Weindland Mafia money to come in !

  • martin says:

    Ronand Weinland the false prophet, got the beginning of the Great Tribulation completely wrong. How on earth do PKGers think that the latter portion of this Great Tribulation will somehow be correct?????? I can’t fathom the thinking processes of the average PKGer, I don’t see how they can possibly think this guy is who he says he is.

    I hope Ron starts a fund raising drive, and commands his followers to give him everything, and leaves them all destitute. It’s the only way they will learn anything. Ron will be wealthy, but he will pay a bigger price later.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Words can have many meanings. The fact is, the day that Armstrongism (one variation of which is Weinlandism) is obliterated and forgotten will be one example of the end of ignorance.


  • hawkeye says:

    oh dang …left out a decimal point is the real date ..
    ron weinland…the day after his next prophecy fails

  • Acts says:

    Ronald Weinland has the Mark of the Beast . Herbert W Armstrong Had the Mark Of the Beast . Many have speculated what this is over time , speculation is worthless ! God’s word shows what it is
    Deuteronomy 6
    17You shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he has commanded you
    8And you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes

    The mark of God , the seal of God is on those who keep his commandments (Isaiah 8:16)
    The mark of the beast is Breaking the commandments and not repenting “Walking” in sin.
    Now , Ronald Weinland claims :”Satan has deceived the whole world. Sadly, due to being naive, most cannot even begin to grasp the depth of what such a statement truly means”
    He is right about Satan deceiving the whole world but he does not understand the “depth” of it .
    The reason people are able to be deceived is because they are not diligently keeping God’s commands .

    The Truth is , Satan and the “rich man” under his influence have fooled the world into believing we all live on a spinning Ball.
    How have they done this ? By showing you False Images ! Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them, for I Jehovah thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me, 6and showing lovingkindness unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
    By breaking the commandment of God , they have built a False Image in your mind . They sealed this by telling you Man walked on the moon , But that was a lie . The moon is a light , when it is out during the day you can see blue sky right through it , you can also see stars right through it with a telescope . It is not a rock to land and walk on . Why do this ? They tell you that the earth is spinning at 1000mph also! If this is true how come you can go outside at night and look at the stars and the moon ? If we were spinning you would not be able to focus on anything in the sky at all. If you are not following God , you are following man.

  • martin says:

    Acts you’ve jumped into the deep end with this moon nonsense and flat earth nonsense

  • Dr. Erwin Schrödinger assures us that as long as Weinland is in the sealed box with the poison, he neither exists or doesn’t exist as long as we don’t observe him.

    Never open the box!

    Sure, he might not exist, but why take chances?!!???!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I see… so not believing in a Bronze Age god gets 80% of my posts edited from this blog, but conspiracy theory and endless sermonizing from Acts is acceptable? The moon is incorporeal?!!!

    This is acceptable?


  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually no. I just unapproved several of his preaching comments.

    Acts, I’ve spoken to you about this before. If you don’t respect the rules of this forum, I’ll add you to the moderation filter.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    That is just too much. This site is such a wonderful antidote to the lies that Weinland spews. It is researched and loaded with non-stop truth. I can’t tolerate such complete and utter lies about Reality… Weinland wins when the Earth spinning is considered a lie!! I refuse to be any part of such monumental stupidity….

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    At least you and martin agree on something. That I haven’t deleted his comment should not be viewed as an endorsement.

    I think Acts is doing more to himself. If he wants to rethink and retract, then I’ll delete it.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This site is supposed to be dedicated to truth. It has completely exposed the Weinland scam for what it is… which is totally negated by it condoning Earth’s rotation as a lie and the moon’s incorporeality.
    Thank you for your amazing effort Mike. I truly appreciate it.

  • Ronco says:


  • martin says:

    Of course the incorporeal moon theory is silly at best. The so called evidence, where they show pictures of “stars” shining through the moon, can be explained in a number of ways, it is either the peaks of lunar mountains reflecting light, or space debris, or spots on the camera lens….it is not from a transparent moon.

    The flat earth theory is too silly to even address.

  • martin says:

    Acts, your homework should be….

    1) To prove man has landed on the moon

    2) Explain the illusion of stars through the moon effect

    3) Prove that the earth is a sphere that rotates

    4) Explain why people don’t fly off the earth as it rotates.

  • martin says:

    If the moon is transparent, please explain how we can have a total eclipse?

  • Ronco says:

    I always thought the moon was made of Swiss cheese…

  • Acts says:

    Well, I understand I’m not going to win a popularity contest by making a statement like that. It is looked at as foolish by the world.

    Martin , since you have everything figured out then why don’t you tell me how I can go outside right now and look at the moon at 12:55 pm and focus on it ? If we are spinning at 1000mph then how is this possible ?

    Ronald Weinland does not teach the bible , he says the stars and all that is the “Universe” were here for billions of years before genesis 1
    Exodus 20:11 says clearly that the heavens and the earth and All that is in them were made in 6 days ! That means everything in the heaven ABOVE was made in 6 Days and everything in the earth beneath was made in 6 days . It also is clear in genesis that the land was brought out of water.

    Avalo, I just want you to know I never once had anything to say about your comments , I know others have but you never heard that from me . I understand that you do not believe in God and it does not bother me at all . You are free to believe whatever you want in life , I wish you only good things.

    Mike , I do respect your site , I want you to know this . You are shining a light on RW and that needs to happen .

  • Acts says:

    The only proof I have of the ball earth is that Wayne Matthews is still following Ron . I can only assume that there is way too much blood going to his head from living upside down ?

  • Acts says:

    Martin , God says the moon is a Light (Genesis 1:16) .God does not say the moon reflects the sunlight .

    You say:”peaks of lunar mountains reflecting light, or space debris”

    Who needs to do their homework?

  • The PKG suffers from comorbidity.

    As, sadly, do most of the rest of us.

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    Is this real life? Is the sky really blue? Acts if the moon is just a light how do you explain its pock mocked surface (light cant have craters) even from earth you can see it hence the illusion the man in the moon im 26 and still got alot to learn but it takes the moon 27 days to completely spin on its axis so it looks perfectly still from earth a lunar day and a earth day is different wow poor Galileo is spinning in his grave.

  • Acts says:

    There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory

    This is very true . They have different charicteristics . Like I said the moon is out during the day right now , through those “craters ” you can see blue sky.

    The moonlight counts off the month . The world is on a solar calendar( Daniel 7:25 )

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    So is the moon a solid or a light?

  • Acts says:

    What do you believe ? Do you believe scripture ? Or what you learned somewhere else ? This was my whole point from the beginning .
    Ronald has the mark IN his forehead .

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    I believe God would not keep humanity in the dark give us just enough I believe in common sense the advancement of people sadly people use great blessings for sometimes the worse of things imagine if we had all the answers He gets a bad rap because of people who think they know every thing in the bible it does say God speaks in riddles( Numbers 12:8) can you say you know better then the next person?

  • Acts says:

    All I’m saying is I believe what Moses Said.

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    Me also ,the moon gives light by reflection the sun gives light by high intensity burning gas both solids both give light to the one seeing them I don’t think God would explain to Moses jet propulsion astrophysics and gravataional fields in one sitting .agree to disagree.

  • Called to Blessing says:

    Wow. Haven’t been on this site in ages but this line of discussion is elementary. Not everything men teach is wrong. There is no heresy in facts. Fact = the Earth is spinning on an axis. It spins at 1,000 mph. This is motion. Wheels are round. They spin. Square and flat things do not have motion.
    This discussions about speed, velocity and gravity… third grade science. Has nothing to do with religion….or even mysticism which seems where this line of belief is heading.
    For instance, humans ride on jumbo jets in the air at 500 approx. mph. You don’t feel like you are moving at 500 mph because the Earth, the atmosphere, and the oceans are ALL in constant motion and are relative to each other. And to deny any of this is more or less to deny that God is a scientific being and created it all. This is rather a sad topic and elementary at best.
    Look in a telescope to prove that the other planet and moons are round and they spin within their orbit realtime to each other. They are formed from gas and elements which give mass. They are not transparent or see through. You can be transcendental or metaphysical in your thought process but it doesn’t deny scientific fact. There is room for both. This is balance.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    If you stood 1 foot to the side of a train track looking at the side of train going by at 60 MPH, all you’d see is a blur. Step back 100 yards, you’d have no trouble picking out individual train cars. It’s the angular rate, not the speed that determines this (at least for speeds well sub-light). Same principle applies to the moon and stars.

    Or if you’ve ever flown in an aircraft traveling several hundred miles/hour at high altitude. The ground is not a blur.

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    The sun is a plasma? Learned something today .

  • martin says:

    I have yet to hear the explanation for how we can have a total eclipse where the moon blocks out the power of the full sunlight while at the same time, being somehow transparent and letting star light shine through it.

    Regarding the statement (which is true) that the earth is rotating at 1000mph, this statement (again, is true) can be a bit misleading.

    For example, if I travel approximately to the half way point to the center of the earth. You would find that earth’s rotation at that point would be 500mph, that is because the arc length traveled would be half that of the person on the surface.


    Is the earth rotating at 500mph? Or 1000mph???? Or both?????

    It’s all relative. For the person near the center of the earth it would be 500mph, and for a person on the surface it would be 1000mph.

    The 1000 mph is how far a point ON THE SURFACE of the earth moves in an hour. (near the equator).

  • Acts says:

    Does a plain constantly adjust its altitude during a flight? It would have to constantly adjust( decend )in altitude flying around a ball.

    The horizon is always flat no matter how high you go as well. You are never looking down at the horizon .

  • martin says:

    BUT how long does the earth take to go through a full rotation? IT TAKES 24 HOURS.

    That is NOT FAST, relatively speaking.

    For a person on the surface, and a person midway to center of the earth, THIS IS CONSTANT.

    So you (Acts) are confusing motion on the surface, with the time it takes for the earth to complete one full rotation, that’s why I say the language used can be misleading. 1000mph sounds fast, but space is VAST, and the distances are vast, so 1000mph turns out to be nothing in the grand scale of things.

  • Acts says:

    Planes can cruise at high altitude for hours .

  • martin says:

    Regarding the bible language. The bible calls the moon a “lesser light”.

    Just as (even in modern times) use phrases like the sun rises or the sun sets, but we know (except maybe Acts) that the earth is revolving, so this expression “lesser light” should not be taken to mean the moon is some ephemeral thing.

    It is simple reflecting the light of the sun.

  • Acts says:

    I can convince anyone of these things , you decide , here are some proofs

    Agree to disagree.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “The horizon is always flat no matter how high you go as well. You are never looking down at the horizon .”

    Ever look at a photo of the earth taken from the moon. Oops, forgot — you think that was faked.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    We’ll let Acts’ Youtube link be the last comment on the topic of flat earth, etc. I will check this later and delete any further comments on the topic.

    Let’s get back to bashing the false prophet.

  • Ronco says:

    Did anyone listen to Ron’s sermon today?

  • martin says:

    Ronald the weasel Weinland said “it’s about Nineveh and it’s about Jonah. And obviously there are
    things that were altered there and changed because of things that Jonah said and a change that took
    place and God didn’t destroy a nation. I think of a time when there was an evangelist – he used to be
    an evangelist a long time ago and then he broke away from Garner Ted and went in his own direction
    – and how a sermon came out one time where he used the example of prophecy changing, and so
    forth, and talked about Jonah and Nineveh. And I know that will probably be in a few people’s minds
    because I made reference to that at one time”

    But Ron doesn’t understand that Jonah IS NOT A PROPHECY at all, but a book about a judgement.

    And of course it was mentioned that Ron would use this excuse.

  • martin says:

    The idea that prophecy can change pretty much negates 1/3 of the bible.

    The Tribulation, it could 30 days long, 2 weeks long, a week long, maybe a day long, the irony is that Ron has the Great Tribulation happening AFTER the Great Tribulation ends!! Such moronic thinking. Ron says that AFTER the 1260 days, the extra 50 days after that *you know, those 50 days that he used to pad his calculations so that the numbers would work out*, things “could” happen.

    So AFTER the Tribulation which is 1260 days, AFTER this ends, during a period of 50 days, we might have a Tribulation occur then.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Prophecy is conditional. If you don’t repent, and if you keep doing what you are doing, then here is what will happen. The Ninevites repented. The brunt of the prophecy, therefore, did not befall them.

    Ron made specific prophecies about the USA and the tribulation. To my knowledge, nobody heeded and repented. Arguably, certain conditions may have even become worse. That should have accelerated the prophecies, if anything. Instead, Ron’s prophetic guesses or scare tactics simply failed. God did not validate them, because God did not inspire them. If he is not a calculating scammer, the word delusional certainly comes to mind. But, I guess his stalwarts believe in 7 being the number of completeness. Maybe his prophecies have to fail 7 times before they believe he has completed his role as a false prophet. Good luck with that!


  • Why would anyone at all repent at the word of an insane lying false prophet convicted felon when the vast majority of the people who were to get the message are far more ‘righteous’ than he is… by a bunch, by most counts? (Just remember there are millions of people who did NOT cheat on their Income Tax.)

    “Except your righteousness exceed that of the insane lying false prophet convicted felon Ronald Weinland, you will in nowise enter into the Kingdom of God.”

    So there.

  • martin says:

    The other account that Ron will use is the story of Lot. Ron will say that because there are more than 10 righteous PKGers that he will spare the world.

  • Acts says:

    Don’t forget that after 3 1/2 years of saying Jesus Christ is returning May 27 2012 and numerous false predictions within that time he proclaimed “The Day Of The Lord” he said May 27 2012 to May 19 2013 was when all his signs and wonders would really for sure happen this time and then Jesus would return in may of 2013.

    How is he going to work this into his new timeline ? He keeps saying that last 50 days . He will believe it with all his being and blah blah blah but he said the day of the lord is a year in length
    Moron Witness
    Feb 21 2013
    “Since we are in the prophetic Day of the Eternal, which is the time in which God will execute His final judgment that ends 6,000 years of man’s self-rule and refusal to hear God, there is no need to any longer warn anyone of what is to come. God’s final prophetic day is about His execution of judgment, with no more endless unheeded warnings. As final end-time judgment has come upon this world to chasten and humble it
    The witness God established during the 1260 days led directly into God’s last prophetic day which is from Pentecost of 2012 to Pentecost of 2013 as the Day of the Eternal, the “day” of God’s end-time judgment upon mankind. How incredibly awesome this is in structure, meaning, and fulfillment. God has meticulously planned for how He will usher in His Kingdom to govern this earth at the return of His Son.” False prophet Ronald Weinland

    I guess we will have to wait until chapter 7 for all this information , IF he still remembers he said it? No worries , Ron I’ll remind you . By the the way , so far your book is $hit ! And I don’t “see” it getting any better.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    This false prophet weinland is setting up his membership for the bad news that 2019 is NOT going to happen!! Sooooo now he is in survival mode to save his ill-begotten income. This man is a liar and a conniving soulless little bald headed sub-human.

    He has mastered the “psychology of a cult” to continue the falsehoods to continue to keep his pockets full of other people money!!! It doesn’t get any scummier than this!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    EIE, we called it here though! We said months ago, that when November 6th wasn’t going to happen the way Ron said it would, he would began contriving ways to “lower the boom” so to speak about 2019’s non-happening.

    The real question is, how long will the majority of PKG members keep putting up with this BS??

  • Once an Elder says:

    Fooled No More:

    I can only say that it has to happen the way it did for us; you just wake up one day and realize that something is wrong and it doesn’t much to realize that weinland is what is WRONG!

    Hopefully, it will not be to much longer for the rest to wake up. I am of the opinion this false prophesy of “2019” is pivotal and will be his downfall. It pains me to see this worm weinland get away with all of the lies and deceptions that he spews from his foul mouth!

    I am a man of faith and I believe that God will come to the point that HE will end it once and for all!! This worm wienland has benefited from using God’s Name in “vain” for his own ill-begotten gains and that alone carries it own judgment!!

    I am patiently watching and waiting for this event to take place, so that, I can celebrate the end of this despicable worm weinland and praise God for the liberation of those who have been hurt and deceived by this monster!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Once an Elder:

    You’re right! It was this time last year that I finally did have enough, and it would be less than two months later when I would make it official. At the time, I couldn’t nail what exactly was wrong, I just knew that something was not right and I no longer wanted a part of it. Interestingly enough, there were a few Sabbaths leading up to then where I didn’t “go with the group” to their endless traveling to who knows where.

    I even got a text from someone asking if I was “okay”, and I gave an excuse that I wasn’t feeling well or some such thing. Well the truth was I was NOT okay as I just didn’t like what I could see happening to me financially, as well as health wise. IIRC, I knew come the first of March last year that I wouldn’t be going to services that following Saturday, and I had made my mind up by that Friday that I would send a letter to Patty Dalrymple and company that I would be leaving, in which I did on March 8th which was a Sunday last year.

    It wasn’t till I stumbled across this blog a week or so later was I ABSOLUTELY STUNNED on what had been going on all this time…………I was just too blinded to check out for myself what was happening behind the scenes!

    Yes, I too am patiently waiting for the time when something not so nice will happen to The Weinlands for all of the damage that’s been done over the years.

    I’ll leave the punishment up to God in what he sees fit to happen to them.

  • martin says:

    Fooled No More, I was wondering if you have a good idea of what is known in PKG about Ron.

    Do they know anything about Ron’s tax crimes? What do they know of his jail sentence? What is the common excuse given for him?

    Do they believe he is being persecuted?

  • martin says:

    Also, what do you think about this false idea that Ron can do whatever he want with tithe money? (with his own personal salary he is free to do what he wants, but not with tithe money).

    Tithe money is only meant for preaching / spreading of Gospel, not for use as your own personal luxury fund.

    Do they know he’s using if to buy erotic panties? massages? luxury cars? jewelry? expensive paintings?

  • martin says:

    What do I mean when I say Jonah is NOT a prophetic book?

    The book of Ezekiel is a prophetic book, “prophesy” (verb form) is from H5012, it means to speak with inspiration (of Holy Spirit) or to predict (by power of Holy Spirit). It is used 36 times in this one book.

    Phrases like “Eze 11:4 Therefore prophesy against them, prophesy, O son of man. ” are used throughout book. It is a prophetic book, all the prophecies conclude with the Temple and a millenial setting.

    I personally do not believe prophecies are conditional. What I mean is that there are accounts in the bible where God is making a judgment (NOT a prophecy) against a person, and that person repents and then God relents on His judgment that He was going to execute upon this person. Not everything God says is automatically a “prophecy”. You have to carefully read the text.

    NOW NOTICE! Nowhere in Jonah, is Jonah told to prophesy against Ninevah!

    Jonah is told to “cry” (announce, preach, indict, call out, cry against) Ninevah about her sins. NOT PROPHESY.
    Before “fish”
    Jon 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry(H7121) against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
    After “fish” vomits him out
    Jon 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach(H7121) unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

    IT WAS A JUDGMENT AGAINST NINEVAH, which was conditional if they repented.

    Nowhere is the word “prophesy”(H5012) used in Jonah at all, ONLY “cry”(H7121) is used.

    Jonah is a book about a judgment that God was going to perform upon Ninevah if they didn’t repent, they did, God relented.

  • martin says:

    The point is, Ron knows nothing about the bible, he doesn’t understand anything, if truth was a pitbull that bit Ron’s face off, Ron wouldn’t understand it.

  • martin says:

    Also, forgot to mention, there are a number of places in Ezekiel, where God says He will NOT change His mind.

    Ronald the blasphemer Weinland has God lying and saying God changed His mind.

    (In WWCoG environs, Ezekial is an end time prophecy applying to the modern descendants of Israel)

  • Fooled No More says:


    I can’t speak for PKG as a whole, I can tell you that I know of a couple (one in particular) that knew exactly what was going on in the trial as someone was sending her links to this site in particular I believe.

    She saw with her own two eyes what was said, what evidence was presented, and she would know the people that testified in front of the judge.

    She’s still there.

    Also, on the matter of what the money was spent on, that was brought up several times as part of a conversation on occasion after services. The standard answer always was, “What Ron and Laura do with their money is between them and God”.

    I began to see this as them looking the other way, and this was one of those “things” that was bothering me a great deal. The question of how money was being spent really started to nag at me as far back as 2012 when I visited their home during the Feast in Lexington, KY. One who truly had their eyes opened would have been VERY annoyed by what they saw, especially if that person were struggling mightily financially.

    It’s just for me, the breaking point was a year ago, that I was REALLY TIRED of seeing good money go after bad, and throw in the fact that NOTHING Ron had said was coming to pass————-yet again kicked down the road for some “future time”, and I knew it was time to leave and leave for good.

  • martin says:

    I wonder if people know that the bible says that God will sometimes send a false prophet to His own people!

    Yes, it sounds unfair, but it isn’t.

    God teaches His people the truth. Afterwards He will send a heretic in among them.

    God wants to see if THEY WILL HOLD ONTO THE TRUTH, OR LET IT GO.

    The reason is, God *can not* wait until after He’s given them immortality to find out that they will reject the truth at the drop of a hat. If He did, then He would have millions of people in a fallen state who are now immortal. He does this test while they are flesh, because they can repent and change.

  • Enough is Enough says:


    This is not about the difference between prophesy and judgment.

    This is all about this false prophet weinland setting up his membership for the grand announcement of the failure of 2019. This false prophet weinland knows his prophesy failed on Nov 8th. This false prophet weinland has brought some time and is now setting the stage that Christ will not be returning in 2019. There will be some new idiotic timeline or some psychedelic vision from “somewhere” that will explain it all.

    This false prophet weinland is buying more time to keep filling up his pockets with money – this is very easy to see and understand.

  • martin says:

    EiE : I agree 100% with what you’re saying.

  • Randy says:

    Who ever said what Ron and Laura did with the tight money is ok is stupid very stupid !!! That’s like Jim and Tammie , Jim Jones, and the rest of the crooks !!!!!!!!! Ron and Laura are low life people and steal from PKG like the courts said !

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    This time next year I wonder what will be the state of pkg ,Ron,and its members

  • Debbie says:

    I am not surprised by the statements above re: PKGers not holding Ronald, Laura, Audra, Jeremy etal. accountable for the spending of tithe $$$. This is the thinking instilled by HWA and the WWCG over decades of programming to members that not paying their tithes constitutes robbery from god. Constantly reminded that ‘god loves a cheerful giver’ put into members minds the special place they have with god with every $$ they gave. Every holy day the same scriptures would be trotted out to validate that particular speaker to be reminding members of their holy day offering duties. Same goes for the programming that ministers are above reproach just cuz they say they are god’s ministers and the government of god – the hierarchy – is not to be questioned.
    Thanks be to goodness that the IRS intervened.
    Ronald’s current writings are reflections of the same old $hit he wrote in his other publications – worn out & disproved British Israelism ideas, a seeming personal knowledge of satan’s thinking & actions as well as his continued discourse of newly developing prophecies, timelines, more punishment, all the while with the pretense that he has some special relationship with god above that of other’s in the ‘church’. Strangely ? there are no further writings of Ronald & Laura as the ‘2 witnesses of Revelation’ – and the audacity and sand that Ronald & Laura displayed as they pretended & played those parts for 3 years – all the while the PKGers were mesmerized & in awe of them cuz they pronounced they would be lying dead in the streets of Jerusalem for three days – another failed prophecy of Ronald Weinland.
    Ronald, Laura & company are in this for the long con – already laying the foundation for Audra & Jeremy to ‘take over the family business’. Back in 2008 Ronald made a statement that the only reason a prophet would change his predictions or timelines – FOR THE PAYCHEQUE. What they have learned from this experience is that they can ‘pull the wool over’ the PKGers eyes, but not those of the IRS.

  • Acts says:

    It is a damn shame that pkg is so Blind ! But they agree with Ron and Laura’s shameful works , so on and on it goes . Yes , all he can do is repeat the same old nonsense , he is wrong about nearly all of it but is so lifted up in his pride . Book 3 is the same as his other garbage works , filled with false doctrine and false prophecy . Will Ron Rob God ? YES he certainly will ! even his whole church ! These moron minister pound into their flock ” God loves a cheerful giver” do you know that this has NOTHING to do with Money ? It has to do with service in ministering the truth , just look at the whole context . What would any of these people know about truth ? They would not recognize it if it was staring them right in the face ! They just love to follow man , they put their idol up in place of Jesus Christ.
    I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
    You shall have no other gods before me.
    Ron is their god , what will they do when their master is dead?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… there are no further writings of Ronald & Laura as the ‘2 witnesses of Revelation …”

    I have taken notice of this same thing. This false prophet weinland will probably stay away from this for awhile. Rev 11 is very clear in what it states and it in no way agrees with what this false prophet weinland has put forth. That’s why Nov 8th was such a massive failure!!!

    This false prophet knows that former wwcog members are wise to this and the 63,000 of former members will NEVER appear at pkg’s door step. I know former members of wcog and they look at this false prophet weinland and his backbiting wife as absolute idiots!!! This false prophet weinland is NO Herbert Armstrong and never will be!!! When this debase false prophet weinland dies so will his false organization pkg. What he has spawned as offspring will not be able to continue it either because of absolute incompetence!!

    This false prophet weinland has yet to realize that he is a walking deadman and so is his corrupt organization!!

  • Acts says:

    “And although they did continue to observe those times, they began to do business on those days, therefore polluting them.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland


  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland talks about Satan deceiving the whole world, but Ron is wrapped around Satan’s finger.

  • Ronco says:

    “Satan is simply a liar, and as Christ said of him, he is the father of lies. It is just his way. With the kind of power that he and the demons have, individually and collectively, they are able to highly influence and sometimes even possess some people.”

    Ron seems to be pretty good at lying too- he’s even been known to possess some people’s wallets!

  • martin says:

    So Ron is going to spend this year writing a book? Presumably the first year of the Great Tribulation????????

    This is fulfilling prophecy how?????????????

  • freeatlast says:

    Yes the $hit keeps spewing out of falsie’s mouth. The time isn’t far off that he will die. Shall we play a guessing game for the day he dies? Let’s have some fun. I guess 12/25/16

  • martin says:

    Ron says God changes His mind. The bible says God will NOT change His mind in regards to end time prophecies.(read Ezekiel)

    Who is the liar? Ron or God?