PATN: Chapter 3 Part 2: Ability to “See” Truth

Another installment of Ron’s 3rd book to close out the year.  Quote marks around the wrong word; should be around “truth”.

It is not reposted here, for details please see the following post:


  • bilbo says:

    > There is great purpose “why” he did not return then, and that will be thoroughly explained. Although many ridicule and mock this change, and use it to try and discredit what I speak, people will in time become astounded why that date actually did change.

    Please compare this to his words in 2008 God’s Final Witness:

    > The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.

    > So what makes what I have to say in these two books any different from what others have had to say about the end-time? You need to ask, “Who else has laid everything on the line, and in such detail, as found in these two books?”

    If you’re tangled up with this guy, in 2019 when nothing happens, he’ll have had several more years to soften your brain like putty. At that time it will seem completely reasonable for his ministry to reschedule to some new date even further off still. It won’t matter to you that this guy has been moving *specific* dates which were to be evidence of his authenticity, over and over again, for a decade now. The reasons why alleged prophecies for 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013 failed were also to be “thoroughly explained in time” and of course all they do is keep moving without ever being explained.

    If you’re exploring whether this is God’s true church or some such nonsense – he’s done this before, he’s doing it again, and you are being very sincerely warned that it’s a scam.

  • Randy says:

    This guy needs to be in a nut house instead of a half way house !

  • Randy says:

    His prophecies are like the weather in Michigan , it changes every 3 hours ! Keep sending your money LaurA needs more Jewerly !

  • martin says:

    Let me guess Ron’s excuse…

    God had Ron believe and preach these false prophecies so that non-PKGers can be confused and think Ron’s a false prophet while actually being a true prophet.

    Makes sense?

  • Fooled No More says:

    Well, believe it or not, I was able to listen to the hour and a half sermon of Ron’s and “change” was all that I was hearing throughout the entire thing. Also, all I could think of going through my mind that this is coming from someone who’s now a five time convicted felon.

    Indeed he does sound like a broken record, because these are the EXACT SAME THINGS I heard just a few years ago when things were supposed to be coming to an end. He mentioned about the Last Great Day sermon that I heard in Orlando at the Feast in 2011. Whatcha wanna bet that there will be something similar come the Feast in 2018 when he’ll soften the blow to everyone that Christ is not returning that following Pentecost??

    My cynical mind is telling me that Ron has some sort of “playbook” with everything already played and planned out for the next 10 years—-if he makes it that long. Wrapping everything up in the bible as “God is now revealing X or Y”.

    I’ll bet there wasn’t a cubic inch of space to be found in that room after the PKG’ers heads were so swelled up after Ron told them how “special” they were because God held off destruction due to their efforts. I’ll call it and say that Christ will have no need to return in 2019, because everyone in PKG have been such good boys and girls that God has no need to destroy their world, because they’ve been so “good”.

    Now ain’t that just special??

    Hmmm…..this “publicist” thing has got me to thinking. At the 2014 Feast in Cincinnati, Laura mentioned how the book may be “download only” where one has to go on the site to get the book. This of course would save on the overhead of printing the book, postage, shipping, etc. Sounds as if to me that there would now indeed be a 3D copy of the book instead of it being just digital, thus the publicist that would be needed to peddle this tome. I suspect also that this “publicist” might not be someone out in the world, but rather someone that’s already part of the church, and has been drinking the Kool-Aid and been drunk for quite some time.

    Excellent! I would LOVE to have something tangible in my hands when the time comes for this book to be released! That gives me something to thumb through when it comes time to put my own video out there on my YouTube channel, thoroughly discrediting and warning folks about how a HUGE MISTAKE it would be to listen and follow anything this man has to say.

  • Acts says:

    January 7 2012
    “January 8 of this year begins the final “half-a-time” of this full prophetic period known as “time, times, and half-a-time.” That day is the start of ****the final period of 140 days (half-a-time) that leads up to the very coming of the Messiah****spoken of in those same prophecies of Daniel. ** The final “half-a-time” that begins January 8 will be the prophetic period when the Trumpets of Revelation will finally be heard (witnessed and seen) throughout this world, along with the Thunders of Revelation that will progressively escalate in a dramatic manner *

    **The period of a “time” and “times” (ending on January 7th) that God set aside as a final witness of mankind has repeated the history of the first 6,000 years.**
    **Yes, God’s witness is so true and thankfully it is finally time to usher in the return of Jesus Christ to take control of the world and the Church that was scattered as King of kings and Lord of lords**
    There is no more time for warnings, but for that which has already been written. There is no more time for mercy to be extended, as time has run out. ” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Deuteronomy 18
    20But the prophet, which shall *presume* to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet *shall die.*21And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken? 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it *presumptuously* : you shall not be afraid of him.

  • Acts says:

    2008 God’s Final Witness pg 8
    “Why should anyone believe what is written in either book? Again, the answer is twofold. The answer is not in anything that is stated or written because words by themselves do not prove credibility and truth. That which man has written about God does not prove it is true. Only God Himself can prove what is true by bringing to pass exactly what He has said. Only the next few years can prove whether or not these two books are true and of God. If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete fiction.

  • Swooncologne26 says:

    Pkg is going to forever chase their tails. Crazy to hear his constant double talk AGAIN. I’m hoping in the coming months, there are bus loads of people leaving, no one wants to lose valuable years. Now is the time he is powerless, full of excuses, and brush offs.

  • Here’s one take for what’s ahead for 2016.

    The PKG already seems to have fallen prey to it….

  • Enough is Enough says:


    Interesting article DB. It is worth reading.


    I also feel the same way. This false prophet weinland “knows” he is wrong and is only buying time to rake in some “money” so he can declare himself a false prophet and leave the scene in 2019. He is one self-centered greedy worm!!!!

    Let’s hope they wake up and send this false prophet weinland into poverty to spend the rest of his worthless life homeless, as he deserves!!!!

  • Acts says:

    I don’t “See” 2016 being a very “good” year for Ronald and Co . As much as he would like his worshipers to
    – KEEP –
    – CALM –
    And Give

    A new book ? In print? I think not . Just something for your poor sheep to chew on while you extort them for another year , right ?
    I don’t “See” your plan going well at all ! After all , you are a false prophet and you do not even know when the day of Pentecost is !
    This is a “Fact” ! And if your congregation understood this “Fact” , you would have no “church” to pay for you and your family.

  • Acts says:

    Ability to “See” Truth #iRONic
    “As mentioned before, the 1st Holy Day of the year is the First Day of Unleavened Bread. Seven days later is the 2nd Holy Day of the year, which is the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. ****So every year the Wave-Sheaf Offering falls on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) somewhere between those seven days of Unleavened Bread.*****FPRW

    Psalm 104:19
    He made the moon to mark the seasons(Appointed times)

    The Wave-Sheaf offering does not fall every year on the first day of the week(Sunday) , that starts a countdown to “Catholic Pentecost” Herbert W Armstrong was NOT an Apostle and did NOT “See” this , Ronald Weinland is NOT an Apostle and does not “see” this .

    However, it is after the First High day that the count begins , it is after the first HOLY DAY of the year that you begin the count , NOT after the weekly Sabbath but the annual Sabbath . Herbert W Armstrong did not understand this !
    Malachi 2: 3Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung on your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and ONE shall take you away with it.

    Every tree that does not bear good fruit is thrown in the fire , this *happened* to the worldwide church . It is gone ! Burned up!
    Same thing is *happening* to every group that came from it .

    For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has also rejected you .

  • Hey! I wonder if Ethan Couch might join the PKG (once he’s back from Mexico)??!!

    There’s nothing like a celebrity to draw more members to a cult!

    And he’d fit right in… with Jeremy.

  • Eric says:

    I’ve obviously got too much time on my hands these holidays: More utter nonsense from Ron –

    “You may have heard some of the other terms used in traditional Christianity, such as pastors or even evangelists, although very few have ever used the term prophet. However, there is NO ONE that uses the TERM apostle, except for God’s Church.”

    With only a brief look on the internet I have found the following Churches have apostles at least as a Church leadership position. I have put them in order of size

    > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (15,372,337 members)
    > New Apostolic Church (11,239,935 members)
    > Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith (30,000 members )

    Since the number of members of PKG is less than 500, the smallest has about 60 times more members than him and the largest thirty Thousand times more than him.

    He might try to wiggle out of it by saying that no one has apostles like PKG but he specifically said “the term apostle”. Once again he probably has been too lazy to do any research and is relying on his own “comprehensive” knowledge and the inspiration he thinks he has.

  • martin says:

    Regarding the counting for Pentecost…

    In Leviticus 23:16, it says, “Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath….” There are no special Sabbaths during each of the seven weeks while this count is being made, commonly referred to as the “counting of the Omer.” However, there are seven regular weekly Sabbaths. Therefore, the fifty-day count ends on Sunday, the day after the seventh weekly Sabbath (which is Saturday). That causes the first day of the fifty-day count to be a Sunday as well. So Shavuot = the Feast of Weeks = Pentecost always falls on a Sunday, even though some continue to believe that it can be on any day of the week, depending on the year.

    I believe that WWCoG used to count it to Monday, because of a misunderstanding of the translations, but corrected this and kept it on Sunday from then on.

  • Acts says:

    Martin, look into this diligently
    GOD’S WORD Translation
    until the day after the seventh week. This is a total of fifty days. Then bring a new grain offering to the LORD.
    Tankah 1917
    even unto the morrow after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto the LORD.
    Even unto the marrow after the seventh week be expired, that is to say, fifty days, and so you shall offer a new sacrifice to the Lord.

    Deuteronomy 16:9 Seven weeks shall you number to you: begin to number the seven weeks* from such time as you begin to put the sickle to the corn.*
    Numbers 28:26 Also in the day of the first fruits, when you bring a new meat offering to the LORD, after your WEEKS BE OUT, you shall have an holy convocation; you shall do no servile work

    Very easy to stumble at this most translations replace *Weeks* with Sabbath but in history , and that history is available to those who look for it, the Sheaf was waved right after the high holy day by the high priest . The Passover makes all this possible and it happens in perfect order one step after the next , No interim period waiting for a “Sunday” to come .
    If you want more info on this look at (The Temple: Its Ministry and Services by Alfred Edersheim )

  • Acts says:

    Randy , so true ! I was close to Laura and I heard her talk about everyone in the group , not one was left out. And I know she talks about me till this day , I can hear that mouth from 1000 miles.

  • Randy says:

    Amen Acts you dont know how many times I heard her ! She is the mouth of the south !!!!!

  • Acts says:

    🙂 Amazing.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Acts, I personally heard her talking about you……….not once but a couple times. The one time she had an audience, the other time she was gossiping about you to someone that you knew very well. She brushed me off when I tried to approach her about something because she had a “cold”, yet she was all up in the fellow’s grille talking about you. The first time I heard her (which was only a couple weeks before the second time), the things she was saying didn’t add up, and I was very close to quizzing her about it. If I were not in a good mood that day I would have——we probably would have just simply gotten into it as I was at that point then of not caring anymore.

    Ron has the nerve to bring up in this past sermon about how all of the brethren should “get along” and not gossip——apparently I guess that doesn’t apply to Laura.


  • Byker Bob says:

    Ron just doesn’t get out enough to know what is going on in the religious world around him. I remember about twenty years ago, when I sold one of the local Christian outreach organizations some software on which to manage their domestic and international mailing list, the chief executive handed me his card, and it read “Apostle____ _______”. (I’m keeping him anonymous). As I got into my car, I noticed a luxury car parked in a space reserved for the Apostle. Several years later, on a subsequent visit, everything had been relabelled, with the man’s title upgraded to “Chief Apostle”. I guess that’s what they do when multiple people within an organization hold the rank of Apostle. There has to be a chief. So, yes, this title is frequently used outside of the so-called Churches of God. So is the title “bishop”, which is actually in the Bible, but I assume is shunned by the ACOGs to avoid appearing Catholic.

    What amazes me about the ACOGs is that they believe that the role of the Holy Spirit is to cause members to agree with all of the Armstrongite doctrines, and the ACOG ministers. They deemphasize the natural, love-born fruits of the Holy Spirit which are supposed to flow through the Christian, and substitute for them blind obedience through the strong application of human will power. When you have such a missapplication as your foundation, of course, the real God-ordained process is simply not going to work. They also overemphasize the physical, monetary aspects, failing to realize that it is nonmonetary force or power that gets the work of God done. They’ve always been micromanagers of other physical factors, such as hairstyles and clothing trends. It seems that they cannot control or produce the spiritual things, so they dwell on what they can control by authoritarianism, such as the physical applications. They fake prophecy, and have even been known to fabricate miracles, and to fake healings. And then they wonder why their “work” fails to grow, or is thwarted by splinters.

    If just one of these ACOGs were functional, and could be said to be healthy and working, we’d see totally different fruits and results. Unfortunately, they have wrong people embedded at the top, wrong prophecies, and wrong doctrines, so every one of them is on a death spiral.


  • Acts says:

    Matthew 12
    33Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36But I say to you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

    Vipers , Hypocrites , False Prophets . No surprises there , Fooled No More , these people just can’t help themselves they are on the road to Perdition.

  • No, no — they are not on the road to perdition, they are living in it.

    Perdition, Michigan is a fictional city made up for a movie.

    Which fits nicely with Ronald Weinland’s fictional prophecies, made up so he can live in a city on the golf course.

    He might as well be living in Perdition. He’s not going to be on the road for awhile.

  • Acts says:

    Speaking of movies and celebrity, I watched the Bobby Fischer movie the other night . I enjoy Chess and the movie was alright but I found this very interesting

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Here this is for you false prophet weinland – GO GET A REAL JOB and stop robbing the innocent!!!!

  • hawkeye says:

    LOL …well i see ole ron is back ..this time he has a new system that everybody has to register to use ……REAL witnesses do not require registration …thats just evil…but what do expect ..poor ron having to grow up seeing human nature and all ..working on a farm …wrecking his fancy car and then having to drive a volkswagon ..Oh the humiliation …

    and still the flock gathers around to hear him …even at 500 people ….even if they only gave $ 10 each ..still a pretty good living …somebody else will have to do the math ..and thats each week too ..weinland is plain GREEDY …still running his scam ..will the people never learn ?…guess not

  • hawkeye says:

    pardon this post so soon …ACTS ..i knew bobby fischer …he had his own demons to contend with ..and he too saw through hwa pretty quick and left

  • American Express hires felons… I’m sure that they’d have something right up his alley… so to speak (maybe handling their American Express Cards? You know: Accounts payable!).

  • Acts says:

    hawkeye , did you guys walk to Herbert W Armstrongs house together ……….? If ya catch my drift

    If I had a quarter for every time I heard Ronald say that , I’d probably have close to $250 bucks .

    “[Next Bobby tells what it was like taking a tour of Ambassador College campus with Herbert Armstrong and one of Herbert’s old friends.] Herbert was with this old man, and he [Herbert] must have said the same thing about ten times. He said, “I’ve done all right, haven’t I, Cliff?” And he said, “Oh, yes, you’ve done fine, Herbert. This is a beautiful college you’ve got here. And this beautiful land is beautifully kept up.”
    And Herbert replied, “Well, I see that everything is kept up. I see to it personally that all this property is kept up.” “Well, Herbert, you’ve really done fine.” So we walked awhile longer. And then Herbert stopped again, saying, “I’ve done all right, haven’t I?” So the other man repeated, “Yes, you’ve done great. You really have.” And then it would start all over again a little later. And I thought, “What the hell is going on here? Man, have I gone …? I gave my money to this? I must be nuts. I can’t believe this!” Bobby Fischer
    😀 Amazing !

    I know he wore his heart on his sleeve the times he did speak publicly . Said some things that got him in trouble . That movie is riddled with symbolism right down to the name of it . Hollywood was not a fan of his and waited till he died to spit on him ,Sad . So many things in that interview that I bet hit home with so many that were involved with world wide and beyond .

  • Randy says:

    The FELONE is out on work ferlow for day and give live bullshit sermen ! Keep the the cash flowing Pkg the Weinland family Mafia needs its , you can’t cramp LaurA’s rich life style !

  • hawkeye says:

    LOL ..nope ACTS…but yeah i do get your drift …never knew ole herbie tho… and yes you are right about the rest ..hollywood is full of hype ..weinland would fit right in …think they will someday do a movie about him ? they could call it ” side by side “

  • Randy says:

    My two end witness will be humble and dressed in cloth sacks , not $1700 suits and $23,000’diamound rings !!!

  • Acts says:

    “hollywood is full of hype ..weinland would fit right in …think they will someday do a movie about him ? they could call it ” side by side “
    Ronald the Prophet , Astrophysicist , Mathematician , Actor )

    Written and directed by Ronald Weinland

  • freeatlast says:

    Acts = as I have told you personally Laura gossiped about you all the time Ron should shut his mouth better yet he should stop talking and writing all together! Laura gossiped about everyone it seems

  • Acts says:

    As for Ron and Laura’s “Church”
    The lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil: But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.
    Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
    Lest you should ponder the path of life, ****her ways are moveable****, that you can not know them.
    Hear me now therefore, O you children, and depart not from the words of my mouth.
    Remove your way far from her, and come not near the door of her house:

    Lest you give your honor to others, and your years to the cruel:
    Lest strangers be filled with your wealth; and your labors be in the house of a stranger;

    And you mourn at the last, when your flesh and your body are consumed,
    And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
    And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined my ear to them that instructed me!

    I was almost in all evil in the middle of the congregation and assembly.

    I wish the some old friends could understand these things , Freeatlast. I learned some lessons that I would not trade for anything.

    “the other time she was gossiping about you to someone that you knew very well.” I know exactly who you are talking about , Fooled No More. He has to learn some lessons and see some things for himself.
    Proverbs 16:28 A perverse person spreads dissension, and a gossip separates the closest friends.

  • Acts says:

    Drink waters out of your own cistern, and running waters out of your own well.

    He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

    Then if any man shall say to you, See, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets
    Why if they shall say to you, Behold, he is in the *DESERT*

    46 (25)    The Church of God- PKG is the only physical organization God is working with in this end-time. God has always worked through a hierarchical method of government, especially at this end-time. There was one end-time apostle during the era of Philadelphia, and this apostle led the only physical organization that God worked through for His Church. Likewise, there is one apostle who leads God’s Church today.

    go not forth
    For wherever the carcass ( DEAD BODY ) is, there will the eagles be gathered together

    The eye that mocks at his father, and despises to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.(Revelation 19:18)

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Don D: “searching”

    Well done and well stated!!!!

    It is obvious that this false prophet weinland is just that!! A false and delusional “want-a-be” prophet!!!

  • Randy says:

    I agree great job Don D !

  • martin says:

    I guess Ron will give his explanation in his book, for all his failed prophecies.

    The members love to be snared, and will accept it without even thinking.

    I’m pretty sure he will take the Jonah defense for it, he’s basically already hinted at that before. But Ron doesn’t have a clue about the bible. The book of Jonah is not a prophecy book that “failed”. Jonah was told to “cry” out to Nineveh NOT prophesy to it, and they repented, so God relented on what he was going to do.

  • martin says:

    Another possible excuse is that Ron will say that all these failed prophecies are to trick the world into thinking that Ron is a failed prophet but he’s actually a true prophet.

    Yes. Sounds like a moronic excuse, but I wouldn’t put it past him, I think I read elsewhere this was what he put forth when nothing happened in 2012.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This false prophet weinland will keep this scam going for as long as he can – he knows he can tell them any falsehood he speaks and they will accept it as truth – how sad is this!?

  • Hank says:

    Ron has condemned Face book as evil and had all his members remove themselves from it but it seems it again does not apply to him. check it out if you have a face book account. In the search column type in The Church of God-PKG

  • Randy says:

    Ron don’t like Facebook because it involves family and people can prove him Wrong !

  • Fooled No More says:

    Well whadya know?? It sure enough is there the hypocrite! It has his latest “book” broken up into sections just like he would send to members of PKG.

    Guess he’s gotta dig for those extra tithers SOMEWHERE!

  • Enough is Enough says:


    Didn’t this false prophet weinland “command” his followers to “stay off” of social media!!?? Soooo, what is going to happen now?

    This is all about greed greed greed!!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    “Didn’t this false prophet weinland “command” his followers to “stay off” of social media!!??”

    Indeed he did! He had a sermon sometime in ’09 (I was in Connecticut when he was there and gave it live) and while the sermon’s focus wasn’t on Facebook per se, he touched on towards the end of it how we shouldn’t be on it, and he we need to “protect” each other by not posting there. IIRC, there was an Elder that was either disfellowshipped (U.K. perhaps?) or had left the church over the issue of Facebook. Someone else more in the know may have better info on the particulars of what happened with that. Sure enough Ron (or a proxy in the church) is on there now in search of those elusive new tithers. What a hypocrite!

    It’ll be interesting to see how long it stays up since we’re now talking about it here. Also interesting is all of the “likes” that his page (or post) has gotten. 93 “likes” since the last time I looked about a half hour ago.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmmm – this is going to be a problem for this false prophet weinland. Any who get an interest in pkg and are told that they “must” leave social media behind – that may not go over to well. Then “if” they are allowed to continue with social media – then what about the current members??

    Is a double standard about to take place here!? Of course, what does it matter, this false prophet weinland is only interested in getting a piece of their hard earned money – right!?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron says he is going to hire a publicist, AND he wants the PKG to stay away from social media. This guy is about as media savvy as a bowl of old oranges.

    He knows he can’t go big, because he will be mocked mercilessly for his stupidity, like his whole IdeaCity fiasco, yet he needs to make the PKG think he is doing something with his book. Poor Ron the Con… fumbling fool to the sane… shining beacon to narcissistic, senile old WWCGers.

    It is going to be fun to watch Ron juggle those flaming balls of cat dung….

  • martin says:

    Telling modern prospective converts that are addicted to all sorts of social media (twitter, facebook…etc…etc), to unsubscribe to them, will go over as well as a house on fire.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Facebook/Youtube is free… and Ron the Con wants to hire a publicist…now there is a genius when it comes to budgeting….

  • Acts says:

    “That is why so many organizations exist today that call themselves Christian, and they have come up with all kinds of doctrines and beliefs that really do not exist in scripture.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    “Although we had believed Christ would return in 2012, it will still be a Pentecost when he returns—Pentecost of 2019! There is great purpose “why” he did not return then, and that will be thoroughly explained.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Matthew 24:36
    But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
    42Watch therefore: for you know not what hour your Lord does come
    44Therefore be you also ready: for in such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes

  • Enough is Enough says:

    On this issue of social media, back in 09 there was this “elder of europe” was questioning false prophet weinland’s claims of being a prophet/witness on social media and there was a following, also this “elder of europe” was withholding his tithes and offerings from this false prophet weinland.

    To make a long story short, this false prophet weinland went to europe to confront this rogue “elder of europe” and apparently it did not go well for this false prophet weinland. That is when this false prophet wienland booted this “elder of europe” out of his organization. Then this foolish false prophet weinland “demanded” that all members are to have nothing to do with social media or face being booted out!!

    This false prophet has a fear of social media because word spreads very fast!! Once it is discovered about this false prophet weinland’s criminal history and four failed predictions of Christ’s return hit the social media circuit – it will something to witness!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “That is why so many organizations exist today that call themselves Christian, and they have come up with all kinds of doctrines and beliefs that really do not exist in scripture.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    Hummmmm all of this false prophet’s theology cannot be found in the Bible – was he speaking of himself?? Go Figure

  • Acts says:

    First Ronald had to madly change everything from a 2011 return of Christ to a 2012 return . For three and a half years Ronald extorted the people that followed him . Ronald gave many False signs and wonders during those years claiming certain things would happen at certain times , meanwhile he prepared for his court date by hiring expensive lawyers to defend his wickedness . Nothing he said ever happened . This is the sign of a False Prophet . Many people gave there whole lives over to this idea that Jesus was going to return in 2012 many people believed it wholeheartedly for three and a half years , even though he kept pushing things forward till the end of that time period . It was all going to happen at the end of his timeline he said ,after many signs that he proclaimed failed. Friday May 25 2012 many people would be surprised to find out that Ronald Weinland went to the Movies to see ” Men in Black 3″ one day before so much was supposed to happen in his prophecy ” at the end” Ronald went to the movies , No Joke! Deadly serious !

    On May 27 2012 I watched Ronald sit in his “Lazy boy” chair and throw the prior three and a half years right out the window.
    Grasping at straws seeing his end was near ,looking befuddled he claimed the only answer it could be was the day of the Lord . He said Jesus Christ would come in one more year , Amaaaaaaaazing! So many waited one more year. During that year he gave many signs including a day portion and a night portion for the “Day of the Lord” so many wonders from Ronald over all those years , pure Magic!

    Did The Day of the Lord happen in that year , No not at all ! The day of the Lord will come and Ronald will die and his sheep will not know what is what .

    5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many

    Unfortunately as long as Ron lives he will have a following , because people are easily fooled and will continue to believe his “signs and Wonders ” Even though he has been PROVED wrong a hundred times.

    His church will wait another three and one half years and he will live off of the money they send to a false prophet’s Po box.

    Ron says the last 50 days , Awesome -Amazing- incredible-Stupendous! But Ronald has no idea when Pentecost is ! People don’t want to seek Truth , so God let’s them believe a Lie . I said a long time ago he would give another date and push everything until the end and that is what happened . It is exactly what he did all the other times he gave a False Prophecy.

    Anyone who chooses to follow this man will suffer Loss . Loss of mind, Loss of Money , Loss of Time , Loss of Life .

    23Then if any man shall say to you, See, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25Behold, I have told you before

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I find it interesting that those who have left and those on the outside of this false prophet wienland’s group can see all of these things clearly. It speaks for itself, in that, this false prophet weinland has no “power” or “influence” outside of his group.

    This false prophet wienland appears as an absolute idiot to the world around him. But, as long as this false prophet wienland is receiving his ill-begotten income, why should he care!?

  • martin says:

    “Friday May 25 2012 many people would be surprised to find out that Ronald Weinland went to the Movies to see ” Men in Black 3″ one day before so much was supposed to happen in his prophecy ” at the end” Ronald went to the movies , No Joke! Deadly serious ! ”

    If this is true, it goes to show that Ron didn’t believe anything he said.

  • martin says:

    Like I’ve mentioned before, according to Ronald Weinland, Satan spoke to Ron’s mind and told him that Christ wasn’t returning in 2012.

    So based on Ron’s testimony, Satan spoke to Ron the truth, while God lied to him.

  • Acts says:

    “If this is true, it goes to show that Ron didn’t believe anything he said.”

    It is True .

    It is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

  • Acts says:

    I Witnessed Ron from the beginning .

    Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.

  • Byker Bob says:

    God does not want His people to be confused by unreliable sources. If an individual believes prophecies coming from someone who teaches certain key doctrines (like the sabbath, holy days, clean meats, and tithing, which are the litmus tests of Armstrongism), they trust that person, and pattern their lives after what he forecasts. And then, if the forecasts don’t happen, and are consistently explained away by that “Apostle” or “prophet” the lives of people who believe themselves to be God’s people become confused and ruined. It is their God-given responsibility then, to believe and follow the protections God put in place for them through Deut. 18:21-22, in spite of whether or not these teachers teach “the right” doctrines. Jesus told the disciples that Satan and the demons even know the scriptures. We see in the temptation of Jesus on the high place that Satan actually used scriptures to try to deceive Jesus Christ.

    The problem is, what if everyone who taught the supposedly “key” doctrines had their prophecies fail 100%? It means it’s time to start over, re-examining everything, to be certain that you are on firm ground. It also raises the possibility that the reasons these people gave as to why you should believe them constitute a false basis, one of the false Christian lifestyles. I personally have come to understand that since literally nobody either inside or outside of Armstrongism who makes prophecies is having their prophecies come to pass, that we should stay away from churches or leaders that base their evangelism and authority or control on prophecy. How do you discern when false prophets are lying? Their lips or writing impliments are moving!


  • juror bags says:

    Typical Weinland double standard. Face Book is evil and not allowed but it’s OK for them. Nice leading by example there, Jackass!

    I forgot. When it comes to Ron the Con and his PIG it is do as I say. Do not do as I do,,,,,, cause ya might wind up in prison as a CONVICTED FELON.

    Nothing but a loser running a half ass SCAM. Beating money out of ladies on fixed income and fools wearing blinders. Have fun with that and let me know how that works out for ya!

  • juror bags says:

    Double standard just like they expect every tither to give up all their wealth and live with no money just to fund the Weinscum’s Luxury Fund so they can blow it on cars, fine dining, $500 massages, $1,700 suits, $26,000 diamond rings bought while on over the top vacations and any other PERSONAL LUXURY or PERSONAL EXPENSE they see fit or want.

    You all starve to death and let your teeth fall out so you can send Ron-god #3 all your money so he and his HOGS can repeatedly do fine 5 star dining. Makes perfect sense……..

  • Excogger says:

    Just checked the PKG audio (sermons) page. Seems as though other lesser ranks are now getting second billing slots. Joe Shockey had a gig on last week’s programme where the Great Man himself (Himself?) began the new season.

    And, according to Mr Shockey, the Second Witness has been known to give “after-sermon talks” to the assembled faithful. Wonder if we’ll see recordings and transcripts of those amazing discourses. We live in hope…..

  • Acts says:

    “So every year the Wave-Sheaf Offering falls on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) somewhere between those seven days of Unleavened Bread.” False Prophet Ronald Weinland

    ” But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them. And while they suppose it proper to honor God, from whom they obtain this plentiful provision, in the first place, they offer the first-fruits of their barley, and that in the manner following: They take a handful of the ears, and dry them, then beat them small, and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to God; and, casting one handful of it upon the fire, they leave the rest for the use of the priest. And after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest
    They also at this participation of the first-fruits of the earth, sacrifice a lamb, as a burnt-offering to God.

    When a week of weeks has passed over after this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost, but is called by the Hebrews Asartha, which signifies Pentecost,” Flavius Josephus (The Antiquities of the Jews- book 3 Chapter 10 – Concerning the Festivals; And how each Day of such Festival is to be observed)


  • Acts says:

    “Somewhere between” that pretty much sums up Ronald doesn’t it? Lost!

  • Once an Elder says:


    Those “after sermon” talks are nothing but “gossip sessions” to whoever would listen. I witnessed many times all that she was interested in was all of butt-kissing attention she could get.

  • Acts says:

    Somewhere between 1969 -2008 your head grew into a massive hot air balloon , real soon it will pop.

  • Once an Elder says:

    I also watched all of the self-righteous advise that was given by this “silent witness” to members about how to live there lives!!! When you understand the depth of their rot and deception for nothing but money it makes you wonder – how did I ever get involved it this mess in the first place!?

    This thing called “pkg” is one loathsome disgusting organization!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Soooo, do I have this right? This false prophet is now stating that the GT starts on April 20, 2019? I have a question: How do you fit in 42 months from 4/20/19 to 6/9/2019!!??

    This is like the 3 days and 3 nights fitted from friday to sunday morning – its doesn’t work!!! How could anyone believe this malarkey!!

  • martin says:

    What’s sad is this, a broken clock is right twice a day. So eventually some big event may come along before that time, and Ron will suddenly say, “see, I told you!” and the PKGers will step in line behind this evil man and walk to their own doom.

    North Korea has supposedly detonated a test miniature H-bomb, I am not sure if this has been fully verified or not. But it goes to show what can happen out there and happen quickly.

  • martin says:

    EiE, any reactions from you PKG associates?

    I am saddened that one so easily provable as a false prophet, Ron Weinland, can still retain a hold over his flock. So sad.

    As I said in the past, I do make a distinction between one who is sincere and honestly trying to find the truth but is wrong, and men like Ronald Weinland who is evil, and has condemned himself by his own mouth no less.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’d say the not-so-silent witness is violating 1 Cor 14:35,

    A new post is up.