My Fourth Great Tribulation

This post is timed for publication at the minute for sundown in Jerusalem at the start of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s latest 1260-day period.

This will be the fourth Great Tribulation I’ve experienced.  The first Great Tribulation was the one that began in 1972 leading up to the time that Christ didn’t return on Trumpets of 1975 per the prophesy Herbert Armstrong cleverly had surrogates put out so he could deny it.

The second Great Tribulation began in April of 2008, when Ronald Weinland prophesied “nukular” explosions in US port cities by the following July, but this Great Tribulation didn’t last very long.  Weinland abandoned that timeline just two months later — but without his stopping his preaching in violation of his “If by Pentecost” promise made on March 29, 2008.  Instead, he announced another timeline.

The third Great Tribulation began in December of 2008, with Weinland and the Mrs. traveling to Jerusalem a second time on the tithe-payers’ dime to “begin their jobs as the Two Witnesses”.  But even though Weinland didn’t abandon this timeline, Christ did not return on May 27, 2012. Too bad for Ron because a couple of weeks later he was convicted on 5 counts of criminal tax evasion.

So now we have the start of the fourth Great Tribulation, with an extra 50 days padded in there to make Ron’s date counting come out.   This time Ron isn’t in Jerusalem as he is still an involuntary guest of the Bureau of Prisons residing at the minimum security prison camp in Terre Haute, Indiana.  But maybe he’ll breathe fire on the guards until they release him to take off his lime green jumpsuit and put on his $1500 suit of sackcloth in order to confront world leaders, turn water into blood, and strike the earth with plagues.

Somehow I think this is not the last Great Tribulation I will experience despite my advancing years.

34 Comments

  • So sorry for your persecution. It seems to be agreeing with you.

    I suspect there are two Tribulations: The first Weinland is in right now at prison and the second will be when he gets home and finds the income not what he wishes it would be for his Retirement and Luxury funds.

    This brings up the topic of how I personally can be cursed by Weinland so I can live long and prosper at an elevated level. I guess I have failed at my mocking him.

    Well, I’m satisfied though that there have been any number of people cursed by Weinland and I’m thankful for your gain.

  • Lynndee says:

    Enjoying this GT with an awesome cup of coffee and a beautiful morning

  • Enough is Enough says:

    DB:

    That was terrific!!!! I am sure that this false prophet weinland will announce more death curses and a “new lie”. But since 2019 is now a failure then that would mean that he nor his wife will be granted any supernatural powers – will they? This is laughable to the highest degree!!

    Great commentary on your part.

  • martin says:

    The only thing relating to the GT that I could see were these two ambiguous sentences…

    Wayne Matthews “The world doesn’t understand that this major change is coming to this earth, that there is going to be horrendous change taking place soon on this earth. And at some point in time over the next 1260 days and 50-days, there is going to be change affecting every human”
    http://www.cog-pkg.org/audio/docs/2015-11-07_Change_is_Coming_Pt2-WM.pdf

    “at some point in time”!!! Real definitive of him.

    Go read the account of Moses….Moses gave EXACT DATES, EXACT PLAGUES, EXACT PEOPLES PLAGUE WOULD AFFECT…..
    Not this wishy washy horse manure, where “at some point in time”, where something maybe will happen, or maybe will not.

  • Acts says:

    “nukular”

    LOL!!!!! I really got a “Charge” out of that one 🙂

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FEJwb8gzodA

  • martin says:

    Since God gave the TW’s the ability to cast a plague as OFTEN AS *THEY WISH*.

    This means there is no ambiguity as to the timings of anything. They could say, turn this river here to blood on Monday morning, or cast a plague of here there on Wednesday afternoon, or call for a plague of locust on Friday.

    They can do all this as often as they wished.

    It’s not going to happen.

  • Byker Bob says:

    I remember in the early 1970s, after having been raised “knowing” that I would only live this physical life to reach the ripe old age of 27, hanging out at the drag strips, as was my habit on Saturday nights back then, watching the Southern California crowds, and the high dollar AA and BB Funny Cars and the Top Fuel Dragsters, and saying to myself, it (the end) just doesn’t seem to be happening. There is just too much wealth and strength here, and all of the world events “they” predicted are either nonexistent, or don’t seem to be gaining traction. In the background, the counter culture anti-war and psychedelic movement of the baby boomers was taking place, but it never reached the point where it was a real threat. They just looked freaky and scary, and were into recreational euphoriants and off beat philosophies.

    It was simultaneously a time of great joy, a gigantic letdown, and a time of guilt (I felt guilty because I had spent the last 15 years actually wishing that HWA’s prophecies would never happen). But, in 1975, I realized that HWA/WCG did not “know” any of the things which they dogmatically professed to know. All of the very poignant questions amongst the brethren following sabbath services and at the feasts, like “How did you come to know the truth?” suddenly became downright laughable, as some of us realized that we would now need to get on with our lives in spite of the artificial disadvantages which years in the church had placed upon us. I chose the phrase “some of us” because the majority including members of my family, just hit the ol’ end times reset button, and became accustomed to doing this every three to five years. They’ve been continuing to do this for 40 years now, and some of them are well advanced into their 80s. So sad, because their entire lives have been wasted practicing a theologically ignorant set of beliefs designed to engage, exploit, and enslave, all courtesy of some modern day Judaizers and Pharasissies. They live in the shadow of the now passed Wizard, not realizing that they have never awoken from Dorothy’s nightmare.

    BB

  • Fooled No More says:

    Acts, hearing that talk show again just made me remember it was that show that got me sucked in to PKG back in ’08. My better sense should have told me that since I had heard that interview after April 17th, and nothing was happening, to simply right Ron off as a Prophet “wannabe” and move on.

    But no, my curiosity got the better of me and I went to listen to his “50th Truth” sermon that late June, and the rest as they say is history. It’s really tough even hearing that talk show again as I now hear it with a new set of ears, and there’s so much wrong in what he’s saying it’s not funny.

    Byker Bob, I see that you’re a real car fan just as I am. 🙂 One of the things I sorely missed in the years I was fooling with PKG, is going to the car shows and model car events that I would go to practically every weekend in some fashion especially when the weather was warm. When late last year was coming up and some very serious doubts were coming to mind because of what I was seeing and hearing, it made me miss the things “I used to do” that much more. Throw in the fact that I was hurting physically and financially, and I knew it was time for me to make some big changes.

    So I hit my own “reset” button, and sent a letter of leaving the church to Patty Dalrymple and company letting them know that I no longer wanted to be associated with them.

    These last six + months for me have been fantastic! I’ve gone to car shows and events I haven’t been to in ages, and I’ve even gotten back big time into a really big hobby of mine——car model building. I’m having fun with my own 1:1 high powered car of mine (Challenger), and I can spend some of my hard earned money on it, instead of to a church that can’t get anything right.

    We had a laugh at PKG’s expense just today and my model car club meeting———-I had said to one of the guys, “You see what time it is?” They said “yeah, it’s just after 12 Noon”. I then said that all hell is supposed to be breaking loose right about now. They asked me why—-I said because a certain former minister of mine that’s sitting in prison right now for tax fraud/evasion says that he’s one of the two witnesses, and that we’re to be thrust into 3½ years of pure hell right now.

    Gales of laughter erupted!

    Now we’re going to have our share of troubles no doubt, but it doesn’t mean that Jesus Christ is going to ride in on the white horse and “right everything”. There is such a thing as making our own bed and lying in it, and there are some things that we’ll just have to work out on our own, as that can be a teachable moment for many people for many reasons.

  • Fooled No More says:

    BTW, this latest posting is HILARIOUS! I was reading this on my phone while I was at my club meeting, and the fellas were laughing because I was literally laughing out loud! 😀

    This was very well worded Mike!

  • Excogger says:

    BTW, there is no such phrase / expression in the Bible as “the great tribulation”.

    And good for you, Fooled No More!

  • Acts says:

    BINGO! Excogger

  • martin says:

    Wayne the follower of false prophet Ronald Weinland said “at some point in time over the next 1260 days and 50-days,” something was going to happen.

    The 1260 days is called the 1260 days for a reason. Something STARTS on the first day, something happens on the LAST day, and inbetween there is stuff that happens.

    We know what happens on the last day (Ron doesn’t know, nor does Wayne, they are both clueless). On the last day of the 1260 days Christ returns, I would think this is so mind numbingly obvious that it would not have to be stated, but Ron has Christ returning 50 days later.

    We know there will be warfare and tribulation throughout the 1260 days.

    But Wayne doesn’t seem to have a clue that something starts just prior to the 1260 days. (there are a number of things, but these two are the most obvious).
    1) Sacrifices are re-instated for a period of time in Jerusalem, it is not clear whether there will be a full blown temple or tabernacle or exactly what, but it is clear that sacrifices will be restarted by the Jewish + Levitical priesthood.

    2) 30 DAYS BEFORE THE TRIBULATION STARTS an idol is placed in the sacred place ending the sacrifices.

    So yes, there is a definite starting point, after which we can countdown to the Great Tribulation. Which will begin with, as they say, a “bang”.

  • martin says:

    “BTW, there is no such phrase / expression in the Bible as “the great tribulation”.”

    There is, please do look it up.

  • Acts says:

    Matthew 24

    Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days

    shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    You know what the Tribulation is ? The tribulation is the countless Ronald Weinlands on every street ! The false prophets and the False Christs that are preaching and being preached about . Idolatry on every corner , in every town in every city all over the earth!
    “There will be false prophets and false Christs”

    You see Martin , Ronald is in the desert , in a desert there is NO WATER , Ronald says behold : 46 (25)    The Church of God- PKG is the only physical organization God is working with in this end-time. God has always worked through a hierarchical method of government, especially at this end-time. There was one end-time apostle during the era of Philadelphia, and this apostle led the only physical organization that God worked through for His Church. Likewise, there is one apostle who leads God’s Church today.

    For wherever the carcass is there will the eagles be gathered together , all the dead bodies ! The true body of Christ Lives !

    Revelation 19:17

    17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the middle of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together to the supper of the great God; 18That you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat on the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

  • martin says:

    Mat_24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    Ronald Weinland and others like him, have fulfilled this verse. That part is true.

  • Acts says:

    Proverbs 30:17

    The eye that mocks at his father, and despises to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.

    Men like Ronald are a dime a dozen ! They are a punishment on people for not following God , and that is the plain Truth.

    PKG is a Dead Body .

  • whatmeworry says:

    Ever since I heard about the next tribulation, I couldn’t get this song out of my head! We’re STILL standing!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

  • martin says:

    Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. At the 1290 day mark, the sacrifices are halted, 30 days later at the 1260 mark, the Great Tribulation begins. What happens between the 1290 days and the 1260 days? The church flees into the mountains of Jerusalem. Into her place. So there is something definitive that we can look for and see happen, and know the Great Tribulation is at hand. None of this has happened yet.

  • martin says:

    Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    Christ refered to the Dan 12:11 passage here…..
    Mat_24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mar_13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
    ….
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    An “abomination” is Jewish code for an “idol”. An idol is “set up” (Dan 12:11) at 1290 days, and 30 days later, the “great tribulation” starts.

    Wayne says “something” will happen later on someday, somewhere in the 1260 days. This is just retarded. Something happens BEFORE and at the BEGINNING of the Great Tribulation and these things will be known, and you can look for it, and know when the end is going to start.

    Christ said “WATCH” plenty of times, He doesn’t expect you to watch for stuff it will be impossible to see. He says to watch, and these events that happen will make the news worldwide. The restarting of the sacrifices will be world wide news, it will not happen in a closet somewhere.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Hey, Fooled No More, you might want to build a model that memorializes your experiences in Weinland’s ACOG splinter. Richard Guasco used to race a hemi powered Bantom-bodied Fueled Altered called “Pure Hell”. That’d be a good choice. You could even paint Ron Weinland’s name in as the driver! Back in the sixties, although I never saw either of these cars race, there was also an altered called “Pure Heaven”, and I understand the match races between these two cars were legendary. I learned about the history of both cars when a friend of mine bought the remains of one of the Pure Heaven cars, not knowing what it was at first, then restoring it and taking it on the Nostalgia Drags circuit.

    I love those Challengers, although I’m pretty much a Ford man, myself. My current ride is a red and white ’57 Ranchero with a warmed over 292 Y-block engine. It’s more a cruiser than a hotrod, but it’s dumped a couple of inches in the front and has wide tires all around.

    If only all of the PKG members knew what they could enjoy if they could only shake the scam and quit giving Ron and his family exotic cars!

    BB

  • Fooled No More says:

    “If only all of the PKG members knew what they could enjoy if they could only shake the scam and quit giving Ron and his family exotic cars!”

    That was the beginning of the eye opening moments when I saw the his ‘n’ hers BMW’s in their garage, back when a bunch of us visited their home back during the Lexington, KY Feast in 2012. I’ve NEVER owned that expensive a car in my life! This was BEFORE I knew that both the kids had BMW’s also! Unbelievable!

    OOOH I love ’57 Fords! A little off track, but a funny story just the same——-In the later ’60’s when I was 7-8 years old, my Uncle had one of those retractable ’57 Skyliners. He was playing with the top one too many times, and the top froze in mid air as one of the motors burnt out. A real embarrassing moment for him as he had to try and drive the car with the top in the air to the dealer so they could try and fix it! 😀

  • martin says:

    It would have been amusing to see Ron the thief in a 3 piece sackcloth suit, and Laura in a sackcloth dress. But they don’t want to do that. They opted out on that.

  • Byker Bob says:

    The Skyliners are much sought after, but the retraction mechanism is somewhat complicated. I believe the parts are all available through the Dennis Carpenter organization. Actually, Ford out produced Chevy in 1957, and I always thought that the ’57 Fords were a much more beautiful car than the ’57 Chevy, but the Chevies have survived in greater numbers. There are several classic cars that you can actually purchase new, aftermarket, steel bodies for, and I believe the ’57 Chevy two door is one of them. OTOH, Dennis Carpenter sells brand new ’40 Ford bodies.

    I bet there were a lot of people that had really cool hobbies, like cars, motorcycles, and rock n roll before they became involved in the ACOGs. Getting back into some of those things can ease a person’s transition and reentry into the mainstream. There are many Christian churches that put on car shows. Rebuilding an old relic is considered to be a marvelous family bonding activity, and provides lessons in persistence, hard work, and perfectionism. I’ve been to some mega-church car shows that are almost as big as “World of Wheels”.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Wayne Matthews: “The world doesn’t understand that this major change is coming to this earth, that there is going to be horrendous change taking place soon on this earth. And at some point in time over the next 1260 days and 50-days, there is going to be change affecting every human”

    To begin, anyone can make a statement like that. It’s general in nature and it is ambiguous. I can say that the stock market will crash in 400 days and this is nothing more than wishing and hoping.

    In my opinion, reading between the lines of wayne’s statement, it appears to me that there is a fracture in his confidence in this false prophet weinland. I am now proclaiming that this is the “year of dissipation” for this false prophet weinland. Each day, week, and month that goes by will further prove that this false prophet weinland is a fraud. I am expecting as this proclaimed year of dissipation goes by that the membership will evaporate!!!

    This is going to be an interesting “year of dissipation” to watch this false prophet weinland squirm and twist in the wind!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is finally good to see that wayne is now on the defense instead of offense. It is about time for johnny and wayne to prove themselves!! It will be interesting to see how they will spin this failure to the membership and to the general public.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey false prophet weinland!! You are in some deep uncharted waters!! You have “no” supernatural powers and have another failure to add to you long list failed predictions. Oh this is going to be a difficult year for you as you attempt to spin this debacle and convince anyone of what you think you are. Let’s get the new post out so we can have some real fun!!

  • martin says:

    Ron is a lazy ass bum. He will only post something every 5 weeks. He’s not up to preaching everyday. His wife Laura is also a lazy bum. She won’t preach anything at all.

    The prophecy says they BOTH testify for 1260 days. They’re already failing this part. There will be no jail break. There will be no fire breathing from these two.

    They say they will be correcting the world???????????? HHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHA. Not going to happen.

    Try first correcting your adulterous daughter. Take the beam out of your own eyes first, tax thief and tithe thief.

  • Randy says:

    Ron and Laura are clowns and full of shit !!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hey wayne, it is going to be very difficult for you to spin this current failure. The general public does have an understand of Rev 11 and what it is all about and you are not going to be able to justify the multiple failures of your deceitful false prophet weinland. Deut 18:22 is speaking loudly against your false idol weinland!!

    Making general statements isn’t going to cut it wayne. Rev 11 is very clear in what it states. Think about this!! It is God’s written words that stands against your false prophet’s babble!! Question, ” are you going to continue in following a provable false prophet”? The choice is yours!!

  • freeatlast says:

    They have started posting his new book in sections I guess that fulfills his “prophesying”?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks. It’s now reposted for your comments.