Home Confinement for the Spokeman Witness

Recently a comment was left by “mirele” pointing out the Bureau of Prisons [BOP] policies on home confinement.  Title 18, Section 3624(c) of the US Code provides:

“(c) Pre-release custody.–The Bureau of Prisons shall, to the extent practicable, assure that a prisoner serving a term of imprisonment spends a reasonable part, not to exceed six months, of the last 10 per centum of the term to be served under conditions that will afford the prisoner a reasonable opportunity to adjust to and prepare for his re-entry into the community.”

The “conditions” may be a halfway house.  They also may be home confinement with electronic monitoring such as the GPS ankle bracelet of humility that Ron wore between his conviction in June of 2012 and reporting to prison in February of 2013.  Whichever method, the prisoner is still considered to be in the custody of the BoP.  For example, young earth creationist and tax felon Kent Hovind is currently on home confinement with the BoP website showing his release date as August 9.

What does this mean for Weinland?

In Weinland’s case, he has a scheduled release date of February 17, 2016.  Getting out my false-prophecy-date-calculating tool (Microsoft Excel), I calculate that Weinland could go on home confinement as early as October 13 or as late as October 29 depending on how “last 10 percentum of the term to be served is interpreted”.  There are 1110 days from the date Ron entered prison to his scheduled release date, and there are about 1277 days in 42 months, the length of his sentence.  Calculating 111 or 127 days of home confinement   These dates are also approximate since the BoP may round off their calculations differently and put other factors in their calculation.  So I would just put it that Weinland could be on home confinement in mid to late October of this year.

During his home confinement while awaiting sentence and reporting to prison, Weinland was able to hold services in his basement and live stream his sermon audio to mesmerize his shorn sheep around the world.  But he was not able to travel mesmerize them in person.

The Last Great Day is October 5 this year, so with the mid to late October date range for home confinement, this would be the third Last Great Day that Ron will not be able to give one of his barn-burner sermons.  But with this date range he would be able to stream an audio sermon the day before the third time he begins his job as Spokesman of the Two Witnesses for the third time on November.  The last two times he began his job as Witness(during April and December of 2008), he and the Silent Witness traveled to Jerusalem.  But he would not be free to do so this time.  Maybe the Silent Witness will travel to Jerusalem for the event while the Spokesman Witness speaks to an Internet audio stream. Will be interesting to see how he’ll spin this.

 

163 Comments

  • Qzymandias says:

    It will likely be “a Jersulalem of the heart” that he travels to. Believe me, he’s got a plan.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ron Weinland, or anyone else who continues to use and teach British Israelism and the Armstrong prophecy mold as a model to be applied to the Book of Revelation is going to fail. Nothing good, nothing which is actually useful, or even applies to what we have called the end times is going to come out of the Armstrong movement, or any of the splinters. 1972-75 demonstrated this beyond doubt, but there will always be some who are slow to catch on to the latest trend. One could make the observation that 40 years is ridiculously slow, but then, it is really even longer, if one factors in William Miller.

    It’s as simple as this. Go to the table of ancestry in the Wikipedia article on German Americans. Based on the census from year 2,000, German Americans are the largest ancestral group in the USA. There is actually a higher percentage of African Americans than there is those of English ancestry. The so-called “strangers within thy gates” (if you make the leap to applying this to the USA) who supposedly rise up against “Israel” have actually been the predominant ones for hundreds of years. In the parlance of Herbert W. Armstrong, the predominant ancestral group of his “Israel” is actually his “Assyrians”.

    Thing is, you can continue to present fact after fact to certain teachers and followers, but they just seem to want to go for a darker shade of blinders, and stick to what they call “the faith once delivered.” In so doing, they actually idolize ol’ Herbie, placing him even above Jesus.

    BB

  • martin says:

    I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible where the Two Witnesses ask for permission to get out of jail, or whether they can be allowed to travel to Jerusalem.

    In my opinion, getting out of jail early would be a bad move, as this removes Ron’s excuses when nothing happens in November.

    No doubt, this will not phase PKGers. They seem to have little to no thinking skills, in this regards.

    Ron could be false a hundred times….they’ll still trudge on looking forward to new lies.

  • Randy says:

    Hahahahaha Laura the money whore has this people so brain washed keep seeding money folk

  • Randy says:

    Nothing going to happen in November , December , January or any time , but Laura taking your money !!!!!!!

  • Qzymandias says:

    Martin, it’s hard to admit to yourself and your family you may have been wrong for most of your life. It’s easier to stick together with people who are also wrong. It’s makes you feel a little more correct if you can find others like you.

  • Ronco says:

    “Ron could be false a hundred times….they’ll still trudge on looking forward to new lies.”

    Well, someone has to fund the Luxury Fund- Starbucks isn’t getting any cheaper!

  • martin says:

    Remember….Ron is deep in study trying to come with new lies to replace the current lies.

    God is leading him to do this as he is God’s leading lying servant.

    Or something.

  • Byker Bob says:

    If the new prophecies are even partially based on Armstrongism, or British Israelism, they will also be false and fail.

    During the time period leading up to 1776, the German language was used by a large number of colonists. There were actually votes in the states as to whether official government publications should be printed in both German and English. The Germans were always prevalent, and in some of the colonies, or what later became states, the German language was what most of the citizens spoke.

    BB

  • Byker Bob says:

    The name “Weinland” is actually German, and it is a most uncommon name, with only 236 people of that surname living in the
    US for the 2,000 census. Usually it refers to people whose heritage was from wine country. The tremendous influence of the Germans at the time of the founding of the USA has been totally ignored in the HWAcaca. These wonderful ostriches worry about Obama, while totally ignoring the heritage of “Assyrian” presidents like Eisenhower.

    By teaching that the USA is modern Manasseh, Weinland has sold out, and is denying the profound presence and influence of his own heritage! What a disgrace!

    BB

  • martin says:

    Byker Bob….here is the problem…

    Your position, from what I see, is that Manasseh and Ephraim have been inter-married out of existence.

    But a host of prophecies deal with Manasseh, Ephraim and the rest of Israel and even the Jews, that occur during the “last days”.

    They are not events that occurred in history, as the “last days” terminate with the advent of Christ.

    So either they exist, and these prophecies will be fulfilled, or they don’t and God forgot and this prophecy will not occur.

    In that case, the bible is irrelevant as a source of divine inspiration and origin.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Martin, I appreciate your position. Before applying some critical thinking, and learning more about science and history, I once held similar views. However, these self-styled interpreters of prophecy make so many leaps to come to their conclusions that their prophecies are very questionable, and totally unreliable. Plus, look at how they use them. They use them to scare people into submitting to their often cruel authority. One must believe in an extrabiblical theory of 6,000 years for man and 1,000 for God. Even if that theory were true, Jewish sources give us at least 200 more years until we’ve reached 6,000 years from their date of creation. And, we have archaeological evidence that civilizations which had the capability of leaving records date from 10,000 BCE. There is also the preterist and partial preterist view, which links Jesus’ Olivet Discourse and other end time prophecies with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. And it fits, because the early Christians were expecting that Jesus prophecies were going to be fulfilled in their lifetimes, as we glean from the writings of Paul. That’s something he apparently had to deal with in his gentile churches. Also, The name Nero Caesar, in Jewish and Aramaic numerology, adds up to 666.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Martin, is it your position that whomever your splinter leader might be has the only true version of the Armstrong package of prophecies, and that it’s open season on all the rest of the splinter leaders, particularly on Ron Weinland? That wouldn’t be an unusual perspective, necessarily, because we’ve encountered members of specific splinter groups on some of the other blogs and forums, or even independents, who like to join in with us to the extent that they can, in pointing out the sheer ridiculousness of groups other than their own.

    Armstrongism kind of screwed up the early part of my life. I liken it to a 20 year personal holocaust. But, the forty years since the failure of 1975 have been much better. I often wonder how William Miller’s followers did in their efforts to recover. Cult recovery therapy and the supoort groups on the internet were not available to help those poor folks.

    BB

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Martin said:

    “Byker Bob….here is the problem…Your position, from what I see, is that Manasseh and Ephraim have been inter-married out of existence. But a host of prophecies deal with Manasseh, Ephraim and the rest of Israel and even the Jews, that occur during the “last days”. They are not events that occurred in history, as the “last days” terminate with the advent of Christ. So either they exist, and these prophecies will be fulfilled, or they don’t and God forgot and this prophecy will not occur. In that case, the bible is irrelevant as a source of divine inspiration and origin….”

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens…the Bible IS irrelevant and originated with angry/terrified men 3000 years ago. . The day you lay down this imaginary desert god is the day he has no power over you, and you realize he/it was only a mirage. When that day comes, when you choose freedom, you will then see just how absurd prophecy and desert gods are. Ronald Weinland is a false prophet, not because he has falsely prophesied Jesus Christ’s return, but rather because he proclaims Jesus as Christ in the first place.

    Ronald Weinland lies by proxy…

  • martin says:

    Can any prisoner opt an early out?

    I’m sure Ron will take the early out option, I don’t understand the part about 25% though, in order to do this, is he required to pay 25% of his income/salary?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t think the prisoner can be the one to opt out early. It’s up to the BoP whether to offer home confinement. The prisoner can refuse.

    Yeah, 25% is what I read. I suspect that Ron will take a salary cut while on home confinement.

  • Ronco says:

    But what is to become of Bubba if Ron gets out early?

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Ronco, you took the words right out of my mouth. That was the first thing I thought of after reading Mike’s post. What a shame if he gets out early. I feel much safer with people like him in prison. He has already destroyed so many people, that when he gets out he’ll be in full swing again. At least prison slowed him down a little. I bet PKG are already planning a big gathering in the area, with a steady stream going to Ron’s house to welcome him back. Just the thought makes my stomach turn.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’ve rearranged the order of some of the comments here. See, the discussion about British Israelism Vs the Bible is somewhat relevant to Weinland since he preaches it. But is off topic relative to Weinland being able to get back on the Internet sooner than expected. Practically speaking, it can’t happen here as it’s crowding out relevant discussion. Maybe the non-relevant discussion could happen somewhere else, I’m busy at the moment to figure out a solution.

  • martin says:

    Ron lusts after money so much, I wouldn’t be surprised if he declined an early out.

    I wonder how the 25% would assessed? On a pre-jail salary? Current salary?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Martin:

    I would bet they won’t let Ron out without a lot of hassle… even with good behavior his crimes still warrant scrutiny from here on in. So I think that Ron’s life won;t be exactly easy now, considering they will be watching his financial moves, and income tax forms. Plus, I think that if the god of abraham exists, then from now on Ron will not be getting better but “worse” because he is still unrepentant. So God could continue to put pressure on the liar to stop lying. Now’s the time that god could really send a message to the other lying COG anti-christs. Now would be a really good time for any and all messiahs and/or Gods to show up and “fix” Ron. So I will bet that things int he next couple of years are going to take one or two really interesting twists. Prediction? More failed Weinland prophecies and more titles heaped upon themselves without merit or bible authority.

    If I were god I would cure cancer, stop war and disease, end racism and misogyny, free Randy Terlecki’s mother, give you (Martin) a high five and divine powers for at least trying to follow god as best you could… and stoke the Lake of Fire up to maximum for Ron…

    Ronald Weinland, god or not, WILL get what is coming to him one way or another… karma seems to work whether we believe it or not.. 🙂

  • Randy says:

    I agree Avo , as usual !!!!!!!!!! Hey Bubba reach over and bitch slap the asshole for me !!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    AND…

    Speaking of False Prophets and liars, David Pack has announced that a super-duper, awesome “signal” is going to be given to the scattered churches to join Pack’s cult. It is in three parts:

    1. Israel and the USA will separate because Palestine and the Iranian nuclear deal… (LOL!)

    2. Pack’s church will present tot he world a new campus and amazing literature and a great website and so on. He also has 100 + jobs ready to be offered to new COG members joining him.

    3. The speeding up of world events that will shake the other COGs and make them want to join Pack!

    So now we yet another lying COG false prophet criminal anti-christ proclaiming lies and anti-christ messages! The “fun” never ends with these sociopaths…

  • Randy says:

    I got more respect for a crack whore down town Detriot , than I do for the Weinland family mafia. At least the just wreack their own life’s not families !

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    1. AT least the crack whore is working for a living, hustling in the street to score. ROn spent 4 million dollars of tithes he didn’t lift a finger to “earn.”

    2. Jesus Christ spoke to whores and helped them be free from sin and misery….he does NOT speak to Ron.

    3. Crack whores mostly come from terrible circumstances that drive them to enter the lifestyle(s) that lead to heavy drug use and despair. Ron has no excuse for his lifestyle.

    4. Crack whores don’t go to jail for tax fraud…

    6. Crack whores are potentially redeemable when free from addiction. Ron is unrepentant ergo unredeemable and PROUD of it.

    If I was god I would give the crack whore the chance for redemption… and permanently cancel Weinland’s eternity with a certain Lake…

  • Randy says:

    Hahaha that’s why you are my hero Avo !

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Thanks Randy…

    As a father of two girls and a married straight man… the equal and fair treatment of women is very important to me. But even when I wasn’t married and had kids I felt that women needed to be finally free to be as good or as bad as men… on their own terms. NOONE should hate a woman for being a woman.. but women should ABSOLUTELY be given the chance to be hated for being a terrible person! There is nothing wrong with hating a greedy, manipulative politician no matter if that politician has testicles or ovaries! Equality means the chance to fail as much as succeed.

    1. My wife is a generous, pacifist teacher and wife who survived the Vietnam War to go on to be a community builder, social worker, and champion for the rights/needs of poor Asian immigrants in Toronto.

    2. Laura Weinland is a greedy, backstabbing anti-christ pig who has earned NOTHING in life. She is a gaping, pus spewing wound that infects all around her. She has EARNED her scorn…

    Laura Weinland is an evil bag of cat waste siting out in the hot sun… she has earned EVERY pejorative thrown upon her selfish, covetous head…

  • martin says:

    The idea of Laura Weinland, traveling to Jerusalem in November, checking into a posh hotel, eating steak at some fancy local restaurant…

    Taking a nap in her room, staring out the window at the view around her…..maybe shopping for souvenirs…

    And her thinking, this is the work of the Two Witnesses, is repellent.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Even more repellent would be both Ron and Laura doing that.

  • Ronco says:

    “A vast library of literature, cutting edge web sites, initial staff and ministry, headquarters campus, buildings, immense infrastructure of all kinds and more; an amazing campus, so stunning, so visually beautiful as to stagger the imagination has been built. This truly magnificent campus is almost complete- at just under a 100 acres, its central features parallel Pasadena and Big Sandy with even some reminders of Bricket Wood. It can comfortably handle over 100 more employees immediately…

    An extraordinary video filmed last Fall introduces what will soon be everyone’s headquarters- as gorgeous as the campus was then, it has advanced far beyond what the video reveals. The last polish phase should be done in a couple months; any final buildings would come later.”

    And to think, RCG’s campus is conveniently located right next to the Giant Eagle supermarket in beautiful Wadsworth, Ohio!!!

    EAT YOUR HEART OUT, RON WEINLAND!!!!

  • Qzymandias says:

    Christ never meant for his church to be ruler over by such repellant creatures. They are all alike. What keeps people in these churches , I will never know. All so obviously false at this point. I’m amazed that they’re all not in jail. Of course , the government doesn’t care how foolish people are , only that they may not be getting their slice of the pie. Egotistical bottom feeders. Ay one point , I had such admiration for all these men. Too soon old, and too late smart as Nana used to say. My grandmother had a third grade education , and she would not have been fooled by these snake oil salesmen. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when people finally realize these men are no different than any Sunday morning money grabber. God doesn’t require most of what these men do. So sad.

  • It never ceases to amaze me just how self-important these Armstrongist leaders make themselves out to be, but the reality of how small they really are is jarring.

  • martin says:

    Please do not confuse disagreeing with minister X or Y or Z, as them being automatically evil.

    ALL religious organizations (Catholic, Protestant, COG’s etc…), ALL of them rely heavily or exclusively on member donations.

    JUST because a religious organization is funded this way should not automatically equate to them being evil.

    The first century church, was funded via member donations (whether it was money or food or whatever).

    This tradition is 2000 years old.

    Some organizations sell stuff, like the Quakers. But most do not.

  • martin says:

    In other words, if you disagree with COG splinter X, because they teach a particular doctrine which you believe is a heresy

    That is one thing

    But if you say they are evil, SIMPLY because they accept tithes or donations, then this is totally wrong

    The apostle Paul said he had a RIGHT to take up tithes, but he didn’t, because he persecuted the church.

    Now if an organization takes up tithes or offerings, it is not correct to say they are evil, BASED ON THAT ALONE.

    Not that is not to say, they are not evil, but that this would be concluded based on other factors (are they teaching the truth? are they teaching heresy? are they allowing evil behaviors like adultery or fornication or drunkenness or illegal drug use?)

  • Ronco says:

    “The apostle Paul said he had a RIGHT to take up tithes, but he didn’t, because he persecuted the church.”

    Paul was from the tribe of Benjamin… I thought tithes were only to be paid to the Levites under the OT law.

  • martin says:

    Yes, this is true, but that was under the OT.

    In the NT it was changed to the general priesthood of the church.

    1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should *live of the gospel*.
    1Co 9:15 But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.

    Paul in 1 Cor 9, argued that he as an apostle had a right to “live of the gospel”, that is, to accept offerings to support him and his family.

  • martin says:

    But because he persecuted the church, he felt it best not to do this, so as not to cause a stumbling block.

  • Ronco says:

    “Paul in 1 Cor 9, argued that he as an apostle had a right to “live of the gospel”, that is, to accept offerings to support him and his family.”

    Doesn’t say a COMMANDED ‘tithe’…

  • Ronco says:

    Ron is not a Levite, but he still needs your TITHES and offerings for BMW’s, Starbucks and Victoria’s Secret to support the Luxury Fund, so please keep giving, PKG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ron Weinland is the poor man’s Jim Bakker. If we read up on Bakker, we get to know that he still owes the IRS about $6 million. We learn that Jerry Falwell once trashed him as having been the worst scab on Christianity in over 2,000 years. Yet, Bakker now has a new ministry based on his Bible reading while in prison, having renounced his prosperity gospel of the past in favor of a millennial survivalist message. Reading the Bible cover to cover in context prompted him to get rid of the proof texts he used to support his earlier ministry.

    Weinland illustrates the possibility of even a small potatoes, relatively unknown franchisee of Armstrongism raking in millions of dollars through the classic bogus interpretation of tithing coupled with the scare tactics of the tribulation. We may believe that he, his prophecies, his doctrines, and his career are kaput, but with an insightful public relations approach, he may indeed have a second life, just like Bakker.

    Watch for all of the HWA disciples to go crazy in their pronouncements and activities as their expectations and their prophecies continue to come to nought. Some of them have based their entire lives on HWA’s failed prophecies. In fact, desperation probably fomented Weinland’s ludicrous prophecies. You can see a similar pattern in the approach of Dave Pack as well. These people need their tribulation as a validation for their lives and careers.

    Shakespeare wrote that the brave taste of death but once, but cowards die a thousand times. How many people have realized too late into their cost-benefit analyses that “the Germans” were only to torture non-Armstrongites for 3-1/2 years, and some members have now suffered four and five DECADES of torture at the hands of Armstrongism? Irrational, exploitative fear has skewed their lives, big time! This is the last death rattle for some of these folks. If the Germans don’t come soon, those decades of exploitation and mistreatment were all of no value. It’s a sad, contrived mind set that they find themselves locked into. Watch for Weinland (and all of the other Armstrongite leaders) to even amp up their exploitation of this fear.

    BB

  • Qzymandias says:

    Many of Rons members are older people , and just aren’t going to go anywhere at this point. They don’t have to tithe anymore, but many of them still have money. Ron won’t come out of prison like a lion, demanding money, but will be the poor little lamb locked away for the sake of God. With this, he will rebuild his wealth until he can retire. One day, when all his prophesies have completly failed and he is too old to carry on he’ll split to Europe to live near the kids.

  • martin says:

    Ron “Does it take away from my function as a prophet?”

    100% failed prophecy takes away any claim you have for being a prophet.

  • Ronco says:

    “The point being, some things are not decided by God until it is time to accomplish them in his overall plan. This is due to the fact that some things might change in the world, since God gave mankind free choice, and so God can fulfill things accordingly. As we go forward, there will be more given about this very thing, but for now we are being given an introduction so that we can at least begin to digest this a little in order to receive more at another time.”

    The point being, prophecy is just a joke, and Ron is God’s chosen Court Jester, so just GET OVER IT and get onboard with the latest incarnation of the Present Truth™… Please Keep Giving, PKG!!!

    CT Russell, founder of the Jehovah’s Witlesses had a favorite Bible passage:

    “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” Proverbs 4:18

  • Ronco says:

    “The point being, some things are not decided by God until it is time to accomplish them in his overall plan.”

    Apparently, Ron’s god has no idea what will happen before it’s time to happen- all the failed prophecies make sense now!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “The point being…”

    Nope. “The point” you are making, Ron? A LIE

    1. Did Moses lead the Israelites out of Egypt then had them wait for years by the Red Sea until god made up his mind?

    2. Did Moses wait around for god to decide IF He was going to rain down the various miseries on Egypt?

    3. Did Moses say, “Let my people go or else god might eventually punish you… the point being Pharoah that these plagues are not decided by god until it is time to accomplish them in his overall plan…”

    4. Did Moses say to the Israelites, “Let the Red Sea part!! The point being that god will part the red sea when he feels it is time to accomplish this in his overall plan…

    5. Do the Two Witnesses in THE BIBLE say tot he world, “We will rain fire down from Heaven… when god decides… “blah blah blah

    just where are you getting this weak little powerless indecisive god from? You cursed me and my CHILDREN to DEATH five years ago. Your PKG god is a coward and a weakling and powerless… mere garbage that sprung from your tiny mind…

    hell awaits, ronnie…

  • You know, I have more faith in Chinese fortune cookies than I have in Weinland prophecies.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Well, the general rule with some people is “any excuse is valid for Armstrongism”. And, that is just wishful thinking.

    The bottom line for me is that if any of these cretins and dictators have anything to do with being the gatekeepers for or administrators of the Kingdom, you are just screwed for all eternity! It would be much better to opt out through the Lake of Fire. Fortunately, I believe there is a much better alternative, one to which Armstrongism blinds people to keep them ignorant and to exploit them in this physical life.

    BB

  • “The bottom line for me is that if any of these cretins and dictators have anything to do with being the gatekeepers for or administrators of the Kingdom, you are just screwed for all eternity! It would be much better to opt out through the Lake of Fire. Fortunately, I believe there is a much better alternative, one to which Armstrongism blinds people to keep them ignorant and to exploit them in this physical life.”

    Hallowed are the Ori.

    Believe in the Book of Origin and you shall ascend.

    “Those who reject the path to enlightenment must be destroyed.”

    Same thing as Armstrongism: Rubbish.

    You can’t get there from here (the PKG).

  • martin says:

    “5. Do the Two Witnesses in THE BIBLE say tot he world, “We will rain fire down from Heaven… when god decides… “blah blah blah””…

    The way Ron operates, is that he waits for some prophecy to be fulfilled first, then he announces them.

    He still can’t get it right.

    Remember that oil leak, where the oil took on a reddish color? Ron decided it was a fulfillment of that prophecy from Revelation.

    It wasn’t.

    The fact is, whether Ron tries to do it “before” or “after”, he still can’t get it right.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Should the silent false witness go to Israel in November, what will “it” be doing? Is “it” going to go to the temple mount and start spewing forth words or just stand there? I do not think the Israeli government is going to tolerate some lunatic women claiming to be one of the witness to remain on the temple mount for any length of time. No doubt, “it” will be deported back to America and told to never return. There are no words to explain the stupidity of these two clowns!

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    It will be visiting the sights and shopping for souvenirs.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Since the Two Witnesses did not end up in Kfar Shaul hospital during their visits back in 2008, they must have behaved themselves. I think Martin has it pegged

  • Ronco says:

    Well, the real fact is the Silent Witness Laura needs some new frilly underwear from Victoria’s Secret…

    No, wait a minute, I mean Mormon’s Secret…

    http://mormonssecret.com/collections/womens-magical-underwear-1

    PKG- Please Keep Giving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is my understanding that the witnesses are to have a global and public appearance in their mission. Well, is it not time for the mouthpiece and the mute one (“it”) to become public? What a sight this will be, a felon with an ankle bracelet and a cowering woman. This is not about witnessing to a small insignificant group but it is to be a global appearance confronting a governmental power.

    Really!?? Let’s hear it from the mouthpiece!! It’s time for the mouthpiece to declare loudly to the global community!!!! Where are you false prophet weinland? Ooops – you are still in prison – how convenient for you – wait a minute, it is time to let the mute one to speak!! How about it false prophet weinland – are you afraid of this? The mute one might screw it all up and that is what you are afraid of – right?

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Enough is Enough says:

    It is now time to put a focus on the false prophetess and witness laura and her want-to-be false prophetess and soon to be false witness audra. It is time to let the circus to begin! It is time to bring on the clowns!!!!

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder when the false prophetess/witness is going to come out swinging? I have heard how she loves to lord her arrogance over the ones who are submissive to her and her felonious false prophet/witness/apostle/elijah/etc. jailbird is just as guilty.

    Why not start it here! You preach about taking on a governmental entity and to torture the world with your vain imaginations of destruction. Start it here in this blog and see how well you do. I would love to see you take on former members of your cult. Do you fear the former members knowing that they know who and what you really are?

    I know this is a waste of time in challenging these two cowards. They do not have the intestinal fortitude to face the ones who have figured out what they are. This is what happens when phonies no longer have any influence over an individual.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The re is NOTHING silent about the two Biblical Witnesses. There is NOTHING in the Bible that says or even remotely suggests silence.

    The Weinlands are lying con artists and they have found just the right amount of nitwits to fund their lifestyle….thanks to there being no god to stop them. Atheism should lead a heightened sense of how precious life is, and Christianity should lead to a heightened sense of justice and compassion. The Weinlands have no shame, they are just evil. The proof is abundant.

    EVERYTHING they do is a failure, save for committing non-stop sins and crimes.

    November will be just another time for Weinland to pretend God is “holding back” X and “revealing the true nature of Y.” The PKG god is a coward and a weakling…JUST like Ron, Laura, Audra, and whomever else in their family has decided to take up the family crime business.

  • martin says:

    “It is my understanding that the witnesses are to have a global and public appearance in their mission.”

    In order for them to be hated by the entire world, a world that “rejoices!”(Rev 11:10) at their death, they will have to stand “toe to toe” with all the leaders and governments of the world.

    Ron and Laura are not these people (keep in mind Ron ran away like a coward from one single comedian)

    Laura and Audra are not these people (both lazy gossiping women)

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ah yes! Ron and Laura even fail in that category! It will not suffice for a small handful of ripped off ex-culties to hate them! The “real” two witnesses need to be practically universally hated by perhaps billions of people.

    Most people aspiring to be the two witnesses even inflate their status that way.

    BB

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Yes, Ron is doing a bit of status inflating from our efforts. From his author page on the-end.com:

    “Ronald Weinland is the last apostle to be sent to this world, and as such, God has established through him a final testimony (witness) of mankind’s true attitude and spirit toward God Himself. This has been made manifest (revealed) through “the many” who have turned in bitterness, hatred, disgust, mockery, ridicule, and slander toward the one whom God has sent.”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron says: “…this has been made manifest (revealed) through “the many” who have turned in bitterness, hatred, disgust, mockery, ridicule, and slander toward the one whom God has sent…”

    That is the STUPIDEST LOGIC ever!! LMAO!! Hate makes something true?!! Then:

    1. Atheism is true…just because Christians hate it!!

    2. I am GOD… because Christians hate me!!

    3. I am also the Queen of Spain… BECAUSE people think I am crazy!!

    4. 1 + 1 = 26… this has been made manifest through “the many” that have called me crazy!!

    What an idiot Ron is!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    NOTICE how he calls US the “many.”

    There are about 10 of us here whoa re regulars!! LMAO!! 10 people hating Ron = the many!! LMAO!! 99.9999999999% of THE WOLRD has NO IDEA who Ron is!! Ron is right because 10 people hate him for being a CONVICTED CRIMINAL!!!

    what. a. f**King. idiot…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… this has been made manifest (revealed) through “the many” who have turned in bitterness, hatred, disgust, mockery, ridicule, and slander toward the one whom God has sent …”

    Really!? Who are the many? Everyone I talk to in and outside of the cog’s don’t even know who this false prophet weinland is? This statement, “who have turned in bitterness” is absolutely ludicrous!! The only ones who “turned in bitterness” are the ones who figured out that this false prophet weinland is just that! A FALSE PROPHET!!

    It will be interesting when this false prophet weinland gets out of prison and attempts to go public and will be met by questions about his crime of tax evasion and stealing money from the innocent!!

    I wonder if this false prophet weinland really has the “guts” to go public with his record of deceit and lies? Hey weinland your “sins” has found you out and will hang around your neck like a mill stone!!

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • FedUp says:

    Mock, mock, mock, mock, mock!

  • Qzymandias says:

    Enough, it is interesting to wonder if he will ever the the guts to have another interview. Most interviewers go kinda easy and tongue in cheek with guys like this, but he could get one that surprises him with the truth. He can defend himself to PKGERS that love him, but others aren’t so easily fooled. As far as being bitter, I’m not. Completly finished and honest yes, bitter no. I don’t waste my time with hatred. I have simply moved on. I am however honest, and if I want to make a point, I will never again let a church tell me I can’t. Just honesty on my part. I totally believed Ron at one point, and now I totally think he is full of himself. I feel no different to him than I do about WWCG and HWA. The problem is not just theirs but also ours.A big old wake up call is needed, and it will come for all parties. As far as Ron goes his wake up call will be even more painful.

  • martin says:

    Correction…

    “Ronald Weinland is one of the false prophets Christ said would deceive many, and as such, God has established the proof of this through the false prophets own mouth, and through his many false prophecies. This has been made manifest (revealed) through “the many” who have turned in bitterness, hatred, disgust, against all the lies and deceit by this false prophet”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Good correction, Martin! 🙂

    I’ll add my own correction…

    “Ronald Weinland is a criminally convicted tax fraud who lies to a tiny group of scared,long time cult members about being godly, when in actual fact he is the worst thing to ever happen to this group. He is also despised by any one moral or compassionate for having stolen money from this group to spend on personal luxuries (4 MILLION dollars worth) while not donating ONE CENT to the poor, sick, disabled, or addicted, as Jesus Christ said was the MAJOR mark of one of His followers. It is a mark of righteousness and humanity to hate and reject Ronald Weinland and his lazy family for this cowardly, greedy act of deception… and the righteous will be known for their opposition to Weinland’s evil….”

    Ronald Weinland cursed my CHILDREN to DEATH for not following HIM… Weinland is evil… and I am PROUD to stand against this man who wants innocent children to die…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Weinland is a MAJOR coward. Won;t go on TV, won;t stand in public and proclaim god… falsely prophesies… won;t face ANY criticism…won’t take responsibility for his actions… hides from the world while saying he is God’s Own Aposlte on Earth.

    God has to hide in order to be holy? God is too scared to face questions and criticism… what a puny weak little god… He supposedly made the world and is too scred to ocme out of his hole and face humanity?

    That god is worthy only of the toilet in which he was born… the BIBLICAL god wss not a coward…

    …Weinland is proclaiming a weak scared god before the BIblical god he rejects…

    …don’t think that is going to turn out well for you Ronny if the Biblical god is real…

    see you in Hell, Weinland…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Cowardice in facing the public is right!! Back in 2011, Ron was soliciting interviews but wasn’t getting any. I pointed out his interview availability to the producer for Mike McConnell who has/had a talk show on Chicago radio station WLS. Mike interview Ron a few times when he was at WLW in Cincinnati. The producer was enthusiastic about having him. But Ron was too chicken to face Mike again, explaining in a blog post something about Mike McConnell’s attitude.

    Yeah. Right. Chicken!!! God’s most formidable prophet is chicken.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This false prophet weinland has no choice but to go public. How else can he be the witness he claims? Has this false prophet weinland finally painted himself into a corner?

    I am amazed at the stupidity of this false prophet weinland! How can he do this while in prison? I can’t imagine the false prophetess/witness running her mouth to the public! Bottom line for me is that I am waiting for Nov 2015 to see if these two “want-a-be” are actually going to do something.

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    If Ron is still in jail in November…

    I would love to see the spectacle that Laura and most likely Audra too, if they both decide to witness in Jerusalem.

    I think Ron is in deep study, trying to prove that Laura and Audra are the Two Witnesses, that way, he can retire to the golf course.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    There is no doubt that this false prophet weinland knows that he is damaged goods. This false prophet weinland knows that the public will demand to know about his thievery and lies. He can’t avoid it – the only thing for him to do is RUN!!

    tick tock tick toch crash and burn Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    Simple to figure out you would think….

    1) Rev 11:3 And I will give (power) to My two witnesses, and they will prophesy a thousand, two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.

    2) Ron has been incapacitated by a heart attack.

    3) God has not given to Ron the ability to witness.

    4) Thus Ron can not be one of the Two Witnesses.

  • Qzymandias says:

    Ron will find a “silent” way to do most things now. He will never have another interview with anyone real. He has made a fool of himself with all of his wrong proclamations. He would be shot down almost immediately. He will find a biblical reason why he won’t bother. He will be ‘above ‘defending himself from now on. At this point he can only hang on to the people he has left. He will call them the remnant and tell them they are purified in the fire, and they will agree with him as they always have. Here on the blog you all can try to keep him from sucking anyone else in, but it’s probably too late for most of the members. The more you persecute him here the more he will point out how persecuted he is. It’s a vicious circle of years of conditioning and following false men. Most of them will go down with the ship and feel like the Captain. All of your logic is wasted on people who are at the core, illogical. In November or even 2019 , if nothing happens he will spin it as being sent from God. God getting rid of the very last of the unbelievers and purifying his church. You simply cannot reason with the unreasonable. You could point out a million scriptures about end time false prophets and they will not attribute one of them to Ron. He will stick with this little group and take every penny they will give him, but he will NEVER have thousands flocking to his group. When the last of them dry up, if the Lord has not returned by then , he will sneak off to Europe to retire with the kids.

  • Soap Opera says:

    Martin I agree that Paul said a minister was to be paid a wage but where does it say in the NT he was entitled to 10% of ones income.
    If the tithing commandment still stands in the NT wouldn’t he be teaching church members to disobey God by not taking, and teaching them to pay tithes.
    Instead he just taught them to give offerings and ensure a minister was receiving a good living wage.

  • martin says:

    1) It is easy to show that the tithes were in effect before the crucifixion.

    (I don’t think anybody disagrees with that as the Levitical priesthood was still in effect)

    2) It is also easy to show that Paul (and the other apostles) had the right to take up offerings for their livelihood.

    It was not explicit in the NT that this was a tithe, at least from what I can see, but in this case I believe they did so, but I don’t have as concrete of a proof for it as for the other 2 points.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy,

    I would have to agree with you about what is left of pkg may or may not remain, we will see. If the mission of this blog is to prevent others from falling for this false prophet weinland then I consider it a success.

    What I look at is the mouthing of these two as being prophets and the two witnesses is this: the general public is aware of what the two witnesses are to do. These want-to-be can’t remain behind the closed doors of pkg and expect the world to fall down and worship them. What they have stated demands that they go public in a very big way. I am not really that concerned who remains in pkg or not but I am going to be demanding and loud that these two false prophets/witnesses step out into the public arena and prove themselves!!!

    It is “they” that have opened the door to criticism and it is “they” that MUST face the public and this blog!!! This false prophet weinland has set his fourth date and the time he and his “what ever” are to preach and torment the world. Well, let’s see it!! His life and record will condemn him in a heartbeat! This false prophet weinland knows that he will have to answer for what he really is and it will have to be public. This false prophet winland is “gutless” when comes to facing the public. If this false prophet did an interview I will be one the first to call in and challenge this loud mouth fool. You know as well as I do, he is a coward and it will never happen.

    This false prophet weinland claims it is time for his mission to begin in Nov – this is what I have to say: Good!! Get your happy ass out here in the public NOW!!!

  • Randy says:

    So my mom tells me God let man rule for 6000 years than he will come back and take Care then in the same sentence she says God has hands on and what ever he wants to happen will happen da !! Help me guys

  • Byker Bob says:

    We call that “cognitive dissonance”, Randy. It’s what happens when a person believes two opposite things at the same time. Armstrongism (aka “Weinlandism”) is chock full of it.

    BB

  • Randy says:

    She says Tackac was anti Christ someone tell me the difference bettween him and Ron and the rest of the False Prohets no man will know nor the angles or son , I’m not smart but I wasn’t born last night seen your tights !

  • Byker Bob says:

    Randy, you are smarter than the culties, and that is the most important thing! It means you get to have a good life.

    BB

  • Randy says:

    Thanks BB you tauagh me well !!!

  • martin says:

    As I’ve said before…..I’ll say it again.

    Would a man that believes the Great Tribulation is coming in a little over 3 months, CUT BACK ON blogging about it?

    Would he have a relaxed approach? I am “deep in study” approach?

    Or would he be yelling from the rooftops that the end is near?

    NO. Ron KNOWS that nothings going to happen this November, and he is “deep in study” to come up with a new lie for it.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Yelp! “Deep in Study”! This false prophet weinland now realizes that he may have messed up this time. It isn’t going to happen for these two clowns. What are you going to do when November rolls around false prophet weinland!?

    “Deep in Study” means “OOOOPS”

  • Byker Bob says:

    Martin, if Ron were like Peter, Paul, or Jesus, he would be chafing at the bit, twitching and almost beside himself at the very thought of being free to spread the gospel once again! I was never involved in illegal dog fighting, but knew some people who were. I’ve heard stories of pit bulls who, while waiting the signal to roll out and fight another dog, literally had heart attacks in anticipation! You’d think that would be the way Ron would be right now.

    The difference is, Peter, Paul, and Jesus would be anxious to do the Father’s work. Unless he is seriously deluded by his own lies, Ron on some level realizes that he’s only going to be spreading someone’s fake crap to make money mostly now to pay back the IRS. If he ever really had illusions of being a real apostle, he is now severely incapacitated, or neutralized, and he knows it. That’s got to be a supreme buzz killer!

    BB

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    This is the man that had issues at Ideal City, when he originally went there to prove them all wrong. If I remember correctly, didn’t he say he would never do something like that again. It was just to upsetting for him to deal with it?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    As I have stated: this false prophet weinland is “gutless” when it comes to facing the public.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Someone mentioned that this false prophet weinland may be attempting to justify his bowing out as a “witness” and put false prophetess audra or possibly Jeremy into his place. This could very well be the “deep in study” moment.

    If this were to happen, I wonder how that will go over with the membership. If they accept it, then pkg is really a true lost ship of souls.

  • Acts says:

    Ron and his followers do not believe in the God & Christ of the bible. Their fruits show this . Ron has created a False God & Christ and has led his followers astray with his filthy Lie. (Matthew 7:23)

    Ron’s days are numbered . When he dies his group will fracture into little pieces , Wayne will have a tiny Australia group for a time , Johnny might have a tiny group in the south for a time , till people come to their senses and realize they have been lied to for a long long time . (Matthew 24:12)

    Christ return 2012? Christ return 2013? No repentance ! (Matthew 24:24 24:50-51)

    You reap what you sow in life NO getting around it.

  • Qzymandias says:

    I’ll bet the ‘spin doctor’ is up all night ‘ deep in study’ just figuring out where to go from here. He must be supremely frustrated at this point. He was before, but he was always able to talk himself out of it. Remember , he has friends who are his rah rah people. any normal, sane, person would see their gross error at this point, but Ron is delousanal. He knows now, that there are enough of them sending in money to keep him going. He has a few rich widows close at hand so he will be set for money. It won’t be as hard as you think to keep these people, even with obvious lies. It has worked for several years now. Anyone concerned with the truth is long gone. There may be a few stragglers but for the most part, the rest will believe anything he says no matter how nuts. Groupthink is very powerfull. Many of these people would be fish out of water if they lost this group. They gave up the ability to think for themselves years ago. They will just put everything off for ‘a few more years’ every time he’s wrong. He knows this. He’s not really worried about it. Of course he wanted a HUGE empire to rule over, but I think even he knows that will not happen. When he gets out and is on home confinement , he will begin his basement church once again, and that will last everyone for several years. Traveling back and forth to the prophets home , holding his arms up so he can preach another day, will be enough for most of them.

  • Helping others says:

    Ozy, I always find your insight to be dead on, earlier in this post you talked about how they will stay in the group because it’s easier to stay with a group that has been wrong than it is to go to your family and tell them you’ve been wrong all these years and face the damage you have caused. The couple that just got married in Georgia a month or so ago, the both had ex’s that posted on this blog and seemed heartbroken by the events that this church had thrust upon them and taken the ones they loved away, all because these two people in the church could not face that they had been wrong all these years and put Ron and Laura above all, hell they even rushed to get married because Laura told them to, (got to protect those tithes), I have had dealings with the woman in this union and I can assure you she is never wrong, and I am sure she rushed the marriage. As far as Ron’s income if you just give it a little thought if he has 200 tithing members coughing up $1500 a year that’s $300,000.00 a year, the man has no real church overhead so I think unfortunately that he will still make it. I am sure some give less and some give way more with tithes and special offerings to suck up to Ron, so I don’t think we will see Ron and Laura in the soup line, although the caffeine overload from starbucks my do Ron in when he gets out.

  • Randy says:

    Ron Weinland is not a prophet he is a lieing stealing Asshole !!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Randy, I have to disagree with you. Ron _is_ a prophet — one with a near 100% failure rate, any non failures have been trivial and usually contradicted by another false prophecy.

  • Randy says:

    Hahahaha

  • Eric says:

    > I am currently, deeply involved in some studies, future planning, and sermon preparations
    > God is giving to me in a very unique manner and timing
    > all of this that is happening is tremendously exciting to me
    > I find it quite awesome that God is leading me in the manner that He is
    > with the kind of focus that He is
    > we should be cautious and careful not to go beyond that present truth

    Whenever Ron uses these key saying he is about to introduce another truth, series of significant numbers, or some other story hat has import for his members. Its really like a magician using misdirection to take the focus away from what is really happening. I think he is distracting and preparing the last remaining members for the impending, yet again, another failure as a prophet.

  • martin says:

    I don’t understand why not a single one of the PKGers is asking about the current failure of the “70K prophecy”?

    Shouldn’t this raise alarms?

    If not one single prophecy spoken by Ronald Weinland has come true, how can they think the November date is going to happen????

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Eric,

    Great Insight!! This is exactly what this false prophet weinland is doing. I still can’t figure out what johnny and wayne have to do with this!? I guess this will never make any sense because it does not exist in reality only in fantasy land!

    This false prophet weinland knows it isn’t going to happen this November plus this is complicated by his fear of the public. The other thorn in his side is this blog and ex-members. This false prophet weinland does not know what to do with these problems. Lies and lies and one day they will come home and bury this false prophet weinland.

    Poor Poor little man!

    tick tock tick tock crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin ~ time to send the smelling salts to wake them up from their coma!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others:

    This false prophet weinland will need a lot more that 300k. This is not enough to support his life style and IRS payment!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Hummmmmmmmmm If this false prophet weinland is in “deep study”, then, what are the other two false prophetesses/witnesses doing?

    Probably trying to figure out how to pay all of the bills and the IRS. Now that they will be facing a 25% decrease in their declared monthly income if this false prophet weinland is granted the supervised release from the BOP. I guess they will start crying that they are being robbed by the government. But, it is okay to lie and steal from what is left of the pkg membership – go figure –

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Qzymandias says:

    Don’t put anything past Ron. They will figure a way to have their way. Mr Armstrong did it . They just restructure somehow and get everyone on board with them. Don’t forget ,there is more then one conspiracy theorist it this church. Not as crazy as those you hear about, but Ron jumped on the old ‘ government done me wrong’ idea right away. People agree with him. The church has always thought outside the norm, so it doesn’t take much to push an agenda. He’s deep in thought alright .

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    They’ll just open a different mail box and have half of the people use that one, then not declare that income. I know when I was doing paperwork for Gary I found two checks he wrote to PKG and they were not on his statement. When I asked him about them, he said to just forget them. That told me he already knew what they were doing. So it if happened them, I’m sure it will be on a bigger scale now. They also were told to use cash and give it directly to Ron or Laura. Cash was not traceable. So think of all the money besides the 4M that was not reported.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    How recently was this episode? Wonder if they activated their COG-PFK entity in Georgia, or opened another one like it after it was exposed here and Terry Wrozek left PKG.

    If this could be proven, then maybe both Ron and Laura would get it this time and for longer than 3 1/2 years.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free:

    That is true. However, if they pull that stunt that will carry a big risk for the false prophet(s). The IRS would take a very dim view of that type of activity. If I were ever aware of that kind of activity I would be the first to turn them into the IRS!

    Think about this, how will taxpaying members of pkg get their tax deduction for their giving of money? The smart ones won’t buy into it only the dim ones will – not smart –

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Mike:

    Let’s hope the false prophets are that stupid! I have no problem helping out the IRS when it comes to these two. Keep a close eye on johnny since he was the one who filed for the incorporation in Georgia.

  • martin says:

    ” They also were told to use cash and give it directly to Ron or Laura. Cash was not traceable. So think of all the money besides the 4M that was not reported.”

    Sounds like a drug money laundering scam.

    It’s disgusting.

    The main thing is this, Ron is using almost ALL the money to fund a lavish life style.

    Very little, a mere pittance is spent on anything remotely resembling preaching the gospel.
    The blogs that Ron has, can be set up for free, or for very little money (compared to Ron’s take).

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Mike, EIE, It was done 3 years ago, that was the last time I did book work for Gary’s trucking. When I could not trace a couple of large withdrawals either, that is what he said he did with the money. It was around Feast time, so have no doubt it was true. I also told him that I could not claim it in taxes as religious gift since I had no paper work to back it up if audited. Gary said fine, not to claim it. He also said he didn’t think he would be audited cause God was on his side, so was not fearful of that. What a brain wash job Ron has done on so many people.

    I also know of one other person that said it happened to the husband. Wife questioned him and he said to also forget it.

    Hard to trace now, since Gary has all the book work for the semi.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free:

    Thanks for the information, maybe it’s time for Gary to be audited by the IRS.

  • martin says:

    I wonder how Gary is taken this non-fulfillment of anything business.

  • martin says:

    Because of health issues, and not to mention that Ron has hinted at it already, I think Ron is going to pass the baton to somebody else to be one of the Two Witnesses.

    It will either being the lazy son (has he ever given a sermon, I’m not sure).

    Or the lazy daughter.

    Ron will try to convince the masses that two Women are acceptable for this job.

    The Two Women will perform this job with gusto, as they get to travel and stay in 4 star hotels and eat steak.

  • Qzymandias says:

    Martin, that would be ridiculous ! But then no more ridiculous than anything else he has done. Nothing ever surprises me anymore.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy,

    If Martin’s guess is correct, do you think johnny or wayne would be willing to take the “other” witness position. However the false prophetess would have to put the “chosen one” on the payroll – that may be the deal killer –

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I would say that if Johnny or Wayne don;t get the job they will activate the Georgia back up church they tried to secretly incorporate…which we uncovered… they will have ten followers and make not much money off of it. They will fold and Ron will proclaim this a sign that he is right.

    But transferring the Witness powers? Completely anti-Bible…but that is what the PKG like anyways…anything that negates Jesus and makes THEM the center of attention.

    Ron’s ministry makes them feel more important than Jesus…because they are following Ron who has made himself more important than Jesus. Ron has made himself and the PKG the center of the Gospel story in the End Times. This Christ fellow is just some guy who fulfills RON’s ministry. The PKG feel like Apostles to Ron…who has made himself the new Christ (you can’t be in “the Kingdom” unless you are in RON’s church). The only surprise now is that any of us here at this blog are/could be surprised by the anti-Bible criminal Ron and his anti-christ congregation.

    Ronald Weinland is a great advertisement for atheism…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    To answer your question the “lazy son” Jeremy has given some sermons. Apparently “daddy” wrote the sermons for him to regurgitate. I know this because I heard from the ones I know in pkg who mentioned how good Jeremy sermon was.

    If the mantle is going to pass, it will go to Jeremy and eventually the “main” false prophetess will relinquish her position to the “other” false prophetess audra. Remember this is a family business!!

    I don’t know anything about Jeremy because he stays below the surface. Apparently he may not be that enthusiastic over his father and mother’s sins of deceit and greed!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Why would he now?

    The PKG are just a small collection of old WWCGers who have doubled down too many times on this anti-Christ COG leader to ever leave. They think they are minutes away from becoming God’s best buddies… why would they ever care about Jesus and compassion and repentance now?

    These next 10 years are just the final milking before the cows wake up and the Weinland con game closes its doors.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I remember the first / only Feast that I went to with PKG. Audra and Jeremy were both there. Ron said that both him and his wife sat down with the kids and told them about giving all the house money / equity to the church ( just a lie ) , how the church was going to grow and how they were both important in the outcome. He said both his kids were not really excited about the house or the church. How things change with a few more years and money given to them. The old expression, money talks, holds true with this family.

  • martin says:

    If Audra and Jeremy were both legitimate 40 hour a week employees, that actually did something, maybe people wouldn’t be upset.

    But there two are basically leeches. Taking Daddy’s money, and living the good life as lazy bums, maybe putting in an appearance every now and then.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Daddy’s money????? I thought people gave to the church? Haha. The whole PKG is just something to laugh about anymore.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Glad I’m Free,

    It really is a three ring circus with all of the clowns and freak shows!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Yes, I can vouch for Jeremy giving sermons as he gave one of the Feast sermons (’14) IIRC. I’ve only met him once——seems like a nice kid. Nothing like his Mom and Dad at all personality wise! I’d like to know how is this “handoff” supposed to take place, and where in the scriptures is it said that such a thing is supposed to happened?? Unbelievable!

    Ron’ll cook up something and those in PKG will just suck up to it……….

    And yes EIE——-it really is like a circus, except the audience doesn’t know the joke’s on them sadly!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    My impression from listening to Jeremy was that he was reading the sermon — wonder who wrote it?

  • martin says:

    “do you think johnny or wayne would be willing to take the “other” witness position”

    I seriously doubt Ron would ever appoint anybody outside of the family.

  • martin says:

    ZERO Splinter Members Died
    ZERO Splinter Members Joined PKG

    The score so far for Ronald Weinland’s prophetic skills.

    STILL 100% FAILED PROPHECIES.

  • Qzymandias says:

    EIE, I don’t think they would put anyone but a Weinland in that position. I think Ron will carry on until he can’t. He may try to pawn Audra off as the other witness. The PKG will carry on. None of his BS and lies have affected them so far so I think he’ll be ok with whatever he come up with. These people have put Ron before God on so many occasions that they don’t know the difference. He rescued them from a failing WWCG and they will be forever grateful. They will go down with the ship.

  • Qzymandias says:

    Please remember, Jeremy has been on Daddy’s payroll for several years now. Hard to believe he has any mind of his own.. He drove off into the sunset in a BMW Daddy bought him. He’s hooked.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Two big issues are involved with answered prayer. (Neccessary for a victorious life!). One is faith. The other is making sure you are praying in accordance with God’s will. And, of course, the question that follows is how do you, or do you trust a minister to tell you God’s will? Most of the people in the ACOGs will state that you can tell if a minister is one of “God’s” ministers if he teaches the sabbath, holy days, tithing, and clean and unclean meats. Those things are supposed to be the “tells” as to whether he can speak for God, and some would even say, indications that he has a double portion of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, through this construct, which is nothing more than a magician’s sleight of hand, members’ attention is diverted away from continuously failed prophecies, whether the minister is an honest and ethical law-abiding citizen, whether he puts his relatives and cronies in place justifiably based on their talents and fruits, or out of misguided nepotism, and whether he teaches loving behavior towards ALL fellow man, and not just the members of his church. That is why the “stalwarts” continue to be deceived and fooled in spite of all the ridiculous things that continuously happen in their splinters.

    BB

  • Enough is Enough says:

    The only good news about pkg is that it is stagnant and in contraction. I don’t see how this false prophet weinland can resuscitate his false church. This is a good example of a “sardis” church. PKG is dead spiritually and is just a typical worship of a man and his wayward theology.

    This false prophet weinland has to much baggage attached to his decrepit person to bring about a revival. His only audience would be the scattered cog’s because main stream christianity will have nothing to do with him nor will the other cogs. The other cogs are aware of this false prophet weinland and have already flushed him and his family down the toilet. Not to mention that this blog has a lot influence as well.

    This false prophet weinland has had his day in the sun and now that sun has set and it will never rise on it again.

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Qzymandias says:

    I agree that this COG is dead. It is filled with pettiness and jealousy. Baker Bob , do not think that this church even has love towards each other. There may be a few well meaning souls, but the ministry leads the pack of folks who really don’t care about each other. Just try leaving, and you’ll find out how ‘loved’ you are. They could care less about you. They spend a couple of Sabbaths gossiping about why you left( and making up reasons, by the way) and then you are a closed chapter. If you are no longer dipping your fingers in the holy water of dilousion , you’re out. The ministry here, is very matter of fact and not given to much emotion.Ron has railed over and over that if you are not stepping to his tune they have no use for you. I still follow most of the tells as you call it, but I’m not answering to men as to how I do it. Christians have always been ‘ all over the page’ in what they believe, and the COGS are no different. They are a house divided just as all Christanity has been. I have come to the erudite conclusion that I don’t know exactly what God wants from us . I will begin as you said , with prayer , and love and compassion for my fellow and see where I land.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy very very well said! I love the use of the word “erudite”. Nice.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy:

    It is their (pkg) total lack of love and concern of their members that has led to the spiritual death of pkg. The head (false prophet weinland) is spiritually sick and diseased and so goes the body (membership). What else can you say.

    As an outside observer of pkg I have seen what you have mentioned in your recent post. That is why I am a critic of pkg. The hypocrisy and the brash lying and fleecing of the innocent by this false prophet weinland and the other two false prophetess is reprehensible!!

    I have a couple of friends in pkg that have attempted at proselyting me. But, when I demand an explanation of all the failures of predictions and the tax fraud conviction they go mute on me. We are still friends and I have invited them to dinner on Nov 9th to discuss what the two false witnesses are “supposed to be doing”. This will be an interesting evening.

    tick tock tick tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Qzymandias says:

    EIE, that should be an interesting evening to say the least. I’m surprised they will have anything to do with you. Good for them. At least they feel they are able to be friends with an ‘ unbeliever’. Most PKG people feel that having relationships outside of PKG is dangerous. Hopefully your friends will see some light one of these days. Many of us still keep the Sabbath and Holy Days, and refrain from unclean food. Some still tithe. There is a whole life outside of PKG. I for one kept the Sabbath before I came into the church over 40 years ago. People will one day realize that Ron and his bunch have nothing and are nothing in the eyes of God. Then and only then will people CHOOSE to keep these things of their own free will or not.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Qzy: “I have come to the erudite conclusion that I don’t know exactly what God wants from us . I will begin as you said , with prayer , and love and compassion for my fellow and see where I land….”

    You are one ‘erudite conclusion’ away from the truth… Abrahamic atheism…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy,
    My “buds” and I are not young neither are we old. We been close friends for many years and been through a lot together. I am not worried about pkg destroying what we have. So be it.

    I have placed three challenges before my friends. They understand that these three would have to be proved beyond any doubt. Here they are:

    1) The claims of this false prophet weinland would have to be proven – his claims are not spiritually based. Not interested in hearing unsubstantiated “spiritual interpretations”.

    2) Explain in full detail about the failures of 2008, 11, 12, 13, and 19. Prove that a true prophet is allowed to be incorrect on all of these predictions. In other words refute Deut 18:20-22.

    3) Prove in full detail that it was a governmental conspiracy that imprisoned this false prophet weinland for tax evasion. Answer this question; would a just man rob others for his own gain? Prove that this false prophet weinland is a just and righteous man. In other words prove me wrong for labeling this false prophet weinland as being a corrupt individual.

    I do not believe they can prove these things. I don’t see any real effort on their part to do so. But, we still drink our beer and watch sports like we always have.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ooops should read “scriptural based” not spiritually based ” question 1 “

  • martin says:

    Re: #2

    The OT did not allow room for a false prophet to “repent” of his false prophecy (which Ron claims to have done).

    Under the first failure, the false prophet was stoned to death.

    In the NT this death penalty is still in effect (see Jesus’ statements on false prophets).

    The main difference is that this penalty is carried out by angels (aka the “reapers” that gather and burn them), and the timing for this penalty to be carried out is not immediate, but at the return of Christ. (Matt. 13:30, 13:39)

  • martin says:

    Re #1

    Rev. 11, gives you a whole list of what BOTH Witnesses do, no need to guess what they should or might do.

    Ron has done none of these, nor has Laura, nor has Jeremy, nor has Audra, nor will they ever do any of the things in that list in Rev. 11.

  • martin says:

    Re #3

    The proof that Ron is basically evil has mostly been sourced from Ron’s own documents (ie tax receipts, tax documents..etc..)

  • martin says:

    Both the Beast and the False Prophet will be thrown into a lake of fire at the beginning of the millennium.

    But they are not the only anti-Christs that will be cast into this lake of fire.

    I would be quaking in my boots if I were Ron.

    Not only should the PKGers know he is false (at this point the evidence against Ron is undeniable), but Ron himself should know that he himself is false. I believe he knows this already and is playing on with the game as he has no other options.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hey, don’t leave ME out! I’ll be in the Lake of Fire too!

    I don’t want to let Weinland get all the credit for denying god… although I will merely get the Lake for disbelief… Ron will get it for being actually evil. I assure you that IF the Bible is real… Satan and I will be having a really great time in the Fire watching fake Christians get their comeuppance. Fake ministers like Weinland are cowards…afraid to get real jobs and be real men… Ron will scream like banshee and sh*t his pants when Judgement Day comes and Christ turns His back on him!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    martin said: “The OT did not allow room for a false prophet to “repent” of his false prophecy (which Ron claims to have done).”

    I doubt that Ron has ever repented of anything. As to this specific need for repentance, in his sermon of 6/28/08 “50th Truth”, he stated that he had no need to repent as he was not presumptuous when he made his false prophecy in his first time line. Somewhere in the first part of the sermon.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Enough”, I’m glad to hear that PKG hasn’t destroyed your friendships. Sounds like you have the right approach, you’ve put your differences out on the table but haven’t let them divide you.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Mike:

    That is what true friendship and love for one another is all about.

  • martin says:

    ” As to this specific need for repentance, in his sermon of 6/28/08 “50th Truth”, he stated that he had no need to repent as he was not presumptuous when he made his false prophecy in his first time line.”

    God said Ron the false prophet was presumptuous.

    Ron said God was not correct, and that he was not presumptuous.

    I think God was right.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Duet 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    Ron is able to sell this to his followers as he is not false because he somehow was not presumptuous. What it really says is that if one prophesies falsely, he has spoken presumptuously. Ron’s followers can’t/chose-not-to read.

  • Helping others says:

    I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell, can anyone give me the names of pkg members seems they will buy into anything, maybe I could ask Ron to sell it to them for me, I am sure if I paid him a commission he would sell it to the members, after all he’ll say anything to get a buck out of these poor people

  • Byker Bob says:

    Exactly, Mike. According to what is written in the Bible, God validated the prophets by bringing to pass the things He told them to prophesy. So far, He has not validated a single thing that has come either from Ron Weinland, or the rest of Armstrongism, or even their ancestors in the SDA movement, starting with William Miller. There just wasn’t any of this “God has delayed fulfillment because the brethren were not ready.”, or “We didn’t properly understand God.”, or any other such excuses from the Old Testament prophets. This is how I knew, and why I left in 1975.

    In Armstrongism, prophesy was one thing, and one thing only! Plain and simple, it was a fear-orientated marketing program. You would think that everyone would know that by now, but apparently not. To some, it remains as the quintessential “Linus blanket”.

    BB

  • Helping others says:

    EIE, it speaks well of you and your friends that your friendship endures, I can’t believe the powers to be in pkg would be happy that such a friendship exists, they don’t want couples to stay married if they are not both in the church, they would be afraid of a friendship like yours, they fear anyone that can speak the truth about what they are saying, if they had true conviction and confidence in what they are saying they would not fear anyone, but they do fear anyone who is outside the church and speaks against them, weak leadership indeed

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others,

    My friends are not the typical wild eyed frothing at the mouth pkg member. It is more of a distant relationship they have with pkg. They have expressed to me it is more of an intellectual curiosity. It is something different.

    Personally I am of the opinion that it won’t last to much longer for them. They will come to the conclusion that it is a dead end street. I agree, you are correct that they are a threat to the false prophet weinland because they are not under the total delusion of this false prophet weinland. I do know this that if the local elder decides to pressure or confront them that will be the end of pkg for them. Therefore, I am not concerned over their current interest in pkg – it will come to its own end.

    What is weird about this whole situation is that they are not baptized but are allowed to attend at will. I have yet to understand this because I was under the impression that no one was allowed to attend unless they were baptized – is there anyone that can explain this to me?

    Their association with pkg has been going on for about six month.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron is allowing NON baptized “members” to attend again? Looks like the Witnesses are witnessing to anyone that has cash….

    …no fire, no worldwide preaching, no divine powers…these witnesses are weaklings and cowards…I wonder what new cure-all snake oil they will be selling in November when NOTHING happens and their great tribulation is once again cancelled because their fake little coward god can;t pull the rigger on the End Times…

    Welcome to the Weinland Lies And Cowardice Show…featuring stolen tithes and federal crimes…

  • martin says:

    ALL the PKGers believe Ron based on ONE THING ONLY.

    It’s because Ron said so.

    Tragic.

    Nothing based on any scriptural reference (the scripture evidence shows that Ron is false).

    They should not be surprised at the eventual outcome which won’t be pleasant.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Used to be you had to be baptized before attending. If you were from WWCG, you had to be baptized before Mr. Tkatch. Also you had to be tithing before attending, of which Ron would check. You could not attend without being invited by Ron. I also know of several couples where one spouse attending the other doesn’t. The titles were taken away from them for not leaving the spouse.

    In my case Gary would not even talk to me, since I was not a member and writing on this site. I never told him I was on here, he looked for himself. His favorite quote, “how and two walk together if they don’t believe the same thing”. There was no relationship between the two of us, once I stopped attending.

  • martin says:

    It’s unfortunate that PKGers don’t read the bible.

    There are plenty of verses in the NT regard couples where one is a Christian and the other is not.

    It is acceptable if they are living at peace with each other.

    The Christian wife/husband is to set the example for the unconverted mate, not condemn them.

    So tragic, the behavior and treatment of unconverted mates by PKGers is completely unbiblical.

  • martin says:

    Re WWCoG, you could attend as an unbaptized person, if being baptized later was your ultimate goal.

    I don’t know if there was a “time limit” or anything like that.

  • juror bags says:

    It IS ALL ABOUT THE TITHE CASH. Ron and Scam Co. do not care now if they are converted or not it seems. Just as long as their bank accounts and assets get “converted” into the Luxury Fund. Period! Stick that into your PKG crack pipe and smoke it. About the same thing just a different mind bending form of dope.

    And the prison clock does what………..TICK-TOCK! I wish that worked like an auto bath where we could insert more quarters to buy more time. I’d donate to that cause.

  • Randy says:

    The Weinland Family mafia is in it for the money , the money whore loves the power and Gossipping ,Ron is just plan stupid ! Bubba’s bitch !
    Bubba reach over and slap the false prophet , asshole for me !

  • Randy says:

    All these people know how Laura gossips if someone is talking about someone else they are talking about you to and all you PKg people knows how she Gossipping !! You can’t hide that !

  • Qzymandias says:

    You don’t have to be baptized , but you do have to tithe. He won’t let you in the door until you do. Shows where his priorities are.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I had an emergency meeting with my friends. I asked my friends about their status with pkg.

    They confessed that they had to make a decision by the end of this month to either start to counsel for baptism or they will not be allowed to attend anymore. I asked them, what are you going to do? They explained to me that they informed the “elder” that they were not interested in baptism and that they could continue to listen to sermons given by wayne matthews on their own and that was all they were interested in. They also explained that all of the rest of what pkg had to offer was not of any important to them. Then I asked them if they had given any money to pkg. They stated that they have given a small amount and that was it. They stated that they were not convinced that a “tithe” would be used for its intended purpose to support an ongoing “Work of God”. Basically it was left to the elder to convince them that the money they give would be used for the purpose it is intended for. To simplify matters they had already reviewed the court documents and that is why they challenged the elder to prove otherwise.

    To make a long story short. They were told they could no longer attend until they repent of their attitude and to get serious about baptism. They said no need to reconsider and left.

    For some reason they really like wayne matthews and what he has to say.

    We broke out the beer and toasted their decision to move on!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Excellent for them!

    If they’re smart, and it sounds like they are, they’ll leave PKG far, far behind—–including anything Wayne has to say!

  • Helping others says:

    If only everyone in pkg would ask where the money goes, what a change there would be, how can anyone sit back and not question where all the money goes. Here is a thought maybe Ron has cut back on the post because he knows they only get shredded by the people on this site, and he knows some of his group reads these posts.

  • martin says:

    From what I’ve briefly listened to in the past, the speakers are pretty boring and could put an elephant to sleep.

    If I thought a church was false, I wouldn’t listen to anything they had to say, except maybe to find out what they are teaching.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Basically it was left to the elder to convince them that the money they give would be used for the purpose it is intended for. To simplify matters they had already reviewed the court documents and that is why they challenged the elder to prove otherwise.”

    Ah, the irony is delicious. The only thing Weinland’s legal defense has gained is the exposure of his crimes to those potential followers who care to look. The only reason these transcripts are available is that they were ordered and paid for by Ron’s defense team. Actually, it was Ron who paid. But then again it was his followers, only fair that they should get a lit bit of return for their money since the only god who used their money was the one who lives between Ron’s ears.

  • Helping others says:

    I remember talking to the person I new in Pkg a few years ago before all the tax and court issues, I could see that a ton of money was coming in but could not really see where it was going, so I asked them who decides where the money goes and who decides how much Ron makes and they said they weren’t sure but felt the Terry’s, Wayne”s and Johnny”s of the church helped set Ron’s pay and where the money went. I wonder what they think now, I don’t talk to them anymore, I truly believe they snapped at some level,