Power, Signs, and Lying Wonders

Recently I  received a file which appears to have been distributed to the PKG membership.  It is a chart that attempts to show Ron’s latest timeline nonsense, but is full of inconsistencies within itself and shows a lack of understanding of Ron’s statements (to the extent that Ron’s statements are understandable).  Below is a copy of the chart which I have annotated with the red and yellow graphics to show most of these errors.  With all the errors, it’s rather busy.

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One thing the chart points out is that Laura’s birthday (on the Roman calendar) is the same day that Ron is scheduled to be released from prison.  I was able to verify both of these event occur next February 17.  Perhaps Ron will explain in a future blog post the prophetic significance of that coincidence.

From Ron’s blog post “Measuring the Temple PT 2“:

1) From the Apostasy on December 17, 1994, the man of sin, the son of perdition, Joseph W. Tkach, Sr., died exactly “280 days” after he initiated it – to the hour – which signified “God’s Judgment” upon him.

This is shown correctly on the chart.  However, the “to the hour” claim has previously been disproved.  Yet PKG still puts that lie out.

2) From the Apostasy up to Pentecost of 1998, the first prophetic cycle of 1260 days was fulfilled.

Counting 1260 days from Dec 17, 1994 is 5/30/1998.  That date is shown correctly on the chart. However, Pentecost of 1998 was on May 31, not May 30 as labeled on the chart.

3) From the Apostasy up to Pentecost 2012 there are 6,370 days. This consists of three prophetic numerical combinations of 7 x 70 x 13.

Counting 6370 days from Dec 17, 1994 is 5/26/2012.  Yet if you look at the chart, it has day 6370 on 5/27/2012.  How did that happen?

4) The final period for the completion of the sealing of the 144,000 was from Trumpets of 2008 (Sept. 30) to Pentecost of 2012 (May 27).

This part is about the only part that’s consistent on the chart.

5) The first phase of God’s work following the Apostasy covers 6,370 days, which includes a total of five equivalent periods of 1260 days that equals 6,300 days, with a remainder of 70 days.

The chart maker shows this 70-day period as 10/6/2008 through 12/14/2008.  However, the chart maker puts 10/5/2008 off on its own, not part of any 1260-day or 70-day period.  This may have something to do with the confusion.

6) Beginning with Pentecost 2012, the combined period of 42 months along with the final seventh cycle of 1260 days ends during the Days of Unleavened Bread in 2019. Not only that, but more importantly, it ends on the day of the “wave-sheaf offering” from when the count for Pentecost begins.

“Beginning with Pentecost of 2012” would put day 1 of the 6th cycle or period on 5/27/2012, and day 1260 of the 6th period on 11/7/2015.  The 7th period would begin on 11/8/2015 and end on 4/20/2019.  But the wave sheaf offering is on 4/21/2019.

7) The time from Pentecost 2012 to the wave-sheaf offering in 2019 is 2,520 days (1260 plus 1260). There are 2,570 days from Pentecost 2012 to the Day of Pentecost in 2019. This leaves exactly “50 days” that God has established as a final numerical sign of His work to establish His Son as King of kings.

The first sentence of this statement is actually correct: from 5/27/2012 to 4/21/2019 is 2520 days.  However, the second statement is incorrect: from 5/27/2012 to 6/9/2019 is 2569 days.  From the day before Pentecost of 2012 to Pentecost of 2019 is 2570 days.  Ron got shifted by a day.

From Ron’s blog post “Year of Dedication“:

The last year of the “sixth period” of 1,260 days in the measuring of the temple begins on the 6th of November 2014, and it will end on the 7th of November 2015. Then, on the following day, the “seventh period” and the primary work of God’s two witnesses will begin.

First you have to wonder how Ron came up with a year that’s a year and two days long on the Roman calendar.  But the calendar is pretty flexible for Ron.

The chart has the 6th period ending on November 8, not on November 7.  And has the seventh period beginning on November 9, 2015 instead of November 8.    However the count of 1260 for 4/20/2019 is consistent with day 1 being November 8.  How did that happen?

God also revealed that the Seventh Seal of Revelation was opened on November 14th of 2008 and that 30 days later, the First Trumpet sounded (Dec. 14, 2008), and “God’s final witness” began.

One quick check that can be done on the chart is to see what the what days of the week the starting and ending days of each period are.  The starting day should always be a Sunday, and the ending day should be a Saturday (except for the last 50-day period).  Periods of length 70 days and 1260 days are evenly divisible by 7 and are therefore a multiple number of weeks.  If your computer is Windows, then you have handy a calendar covering all these dates.  Just click on the date on the right side of the lower bar and navigate the calendar as though you were going to to change the computer’s time setting.

The chart appears to have been generated as a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel.  I believe it quite probable that Ron has gone overtime using that program over the years.  Excel has a feature that will calculate the number of days between any two dates.  It can also be used to take a starting date and calculate a date a given number of days away.  I think Ron has put together most of his timelines using Excel.

However, I doubt that Ron is the one who put the chart together.  The Bureau of Prisons probably does not provide a computer with expensive Microsoft Office software to its inmates.  The chart was probably put together by one of his minions, my likely candidate is Wayne Matthews. Another suspect is Audra. But then maybe Ron did put it together — during the time between his sentencing and reporting to prison while wearing the GPS ankle bracelet of humility.

I also know how to use Microsoft Excel to calculate dates.  I am not motivated to use this tool to come up with signs and lying wonders like Ron does, but I can use it to check things out.  Here is an image of the spreadsheet I generated from Ron’s nonsense, to the extent that it can be understood.  The day counts are generated by Excel formulas that calculate the number of days between the date to the left of the cell and the date preceding the block which is outline with the darker border.  For example the count of 1260 for 5/30/1998 is calculated by the number of days from 12/17/1994 to 5/30/1998.  I used it to stack up periods of 70, 1260, and 50 days following 12/17/1994.

chart_regenIt shows that there are indeed seven 1260-day periods with an extra 70 days and 50 days from “the apostasy” to Pentecost of 2019.

While it is possible to make honest errors when putting an Excel spreadsheet together and I think our unknown chart maker made quite a few, I also suspect some deliberate adjustments in the formulas given the counts that would shift by a day in the middle of different periods.

The best that can be made of this is that the chart maker did make honest errors.  But the chart maker is a bumbling incompetent trying to make a chart from Ron’s poor explanations.  For a timeline based on speculation in the first place.

Power, signs, and lying wonders.  While God is not the author of confusion, Ron and his minions are.  I wonder if the chart confused any PKG members enough to get them to leave.

I challenge anyone to find a Biblical basis for these timelines. Ron’s blog post “Measuring the Temple PT 2” that outlined these timelines had no scriptural reference.  Where is it stated in the Bible that these date relationships prove that Christ is going to return?  Sad that so many are destroying their futures following those who are at best incompetent speculators.

Power, signs, and lying wonders.

194 Comments

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Whoever provided the timeline, I want to thank you for sharing this information.

    One of the realities that labor to expose this odious false prophet (ron) is a continual history that has been established to determine “if”, he is or not, the only true representative of God on earth, as proclaimed. This established history reveals a trail of several failed prognostications put forth by this deceitful individual. So far the failures are: 1) failed events of 2008, 2) failed events of 2011, 3) failed events of 2012, 4) failed events of 2013, (5) and now the pending failure of 2019 which will become evident on November 9th(or 8th) of 2015. Taking notice that the prophesied events of 2012 and 2013 were God given announcements by this false prophet that failed to take place, Christ’s return to earth. This history speaks for itself.

    It is these types of failures that have denied the respect that this odious prophet demands he is entitled to. This desired recognition has failed to materialize and he is now on the path of attempting to regain what never was. This notion of achieving this respect never materialized and is a factor that is nourishing his psychogenic delusion of being the only true representative of God on earth today. This history speaks for itself.

    The “root” of his false religion is all based on Joe Tkach Sr. being the prophesied “man of sin” of 2 Thessalonians 2. It is not difficult to understand that Joe Tkach Sr. did not destroy the Church of God. These former members of wwcog may be found amousght several organizations, but, they are very much alive and keep the teachings that HWA established during his time as pastor of wwcog. History speaks for itself and it is all too obvious that Joe Tkach Sr. is NOT the prophesied “man of sin” of 2 Thessalonians 2 as this false prophet proclaims and preaches what Joe Tkack Sr. is supposed to be and is not. Once this is understood, then, all the teachings of this false teacher are false and will eventually lead to his church collapsing. I believe this collapse is in progress, and hopefully, November 9(or 8th), 2015 will be the catalyst to accelerate this collapse. This history speaks for itself.

    I look forward to November 9 or is it 8(?), 2015 because it will further reveal that this self-proclaimed prophet is a phony and Deut. 18:22 will stand as a witness against him.

    To Ron: you have made your own enemies through your lies and thievery of tithes to benefit you and your ambitious dynasty building that is confined to your own immediate family, it speaks for itself. Your ongoing history of failure will prove to be true and condemn you for the fraud that you are. It is you that has created this history of lies and deceit and it will be a long standing witness against your continuing efforts to place yourself above God and His Authority.

    What say you false prophet weinland. Tick tock false prophet weinland tick tock to Nov 2015.

  • Qzymandias says:

    The wizard of Oz is at it again. MOST of the PKG will simply fold this up and put it in their Bible. It’s far to convoluted for most. People simply think they’re just not smart enough to figure it out. Ron just baffles with His numbers games. By the way, he forbade folks to do this. He only wants his machinations circulatiing. A few will crunch the numbers and point out his error, and he will make course corrections. All from God of course. Cause we know God is figuring this out as he goes along. Everyone will be thunderstruck that he’s getting out on Laura’s birthday. Any excuse to make something sound Biblically important. My mother passed away on my fathers birthday. SHOCKING! My brother passed away 5 days before my mother! SHOCKING. Ron has help ‘ proving ‘ all his BS. There are a bunch in the church that sit around and crunch and figure, then turn their figures over to Ron. He has used things people have said in sermons. As long as it goes along with his plan he will use it. All from God of course.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Intersting…

    1. Jesus said: “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls…for my yoke is EASY and my burden is LIGHT.

    Mixed up numbers, FALSE prophecies, lying to the government, lying on his daughter’s marriage certificate, confusion, spending widow’s tithes on BMWs… does that sound like JESUS CHRIST’s way? What is light and easy about this stupid, false and confusing timeline?

    2. “For God is not a God of disorder but of peace–as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people…”

    Where is the peace in this crazy mixed set numbers and lies? Christ said I am The Way… how odes this incorrect and false timeline point to CHRIST? This timeline certainly is NOT “the Way”

    3. “For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.”

    This timeline is confusing, WRONG, and disorderly in pretty much every way. Who is author of confusion if God is the author of peace, order, mercy?

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG:

    I have just quoted the BIBLE. Since none of you know what that is, let me enlighten you.

    THE BIBLE is a book considered to be the divine word of a god named Yahweh. The first half is considered holy by Jews. The second half is considered holy by CHRISTIANS. A Christian is someone who follows the WORDS of Jesus Christ found in the BIBLE:. Jesus was a man of peace who healed the sick and fed the hungry. His Word (the only way to go to Heaven) were words that Jesus said were not to be altered or changed or denied or tampered with in order to magnify anyone other than Jesus Christ. Jesus enemy is a an angel named Satan/Lucifer is the opposite of Jesus: filled with hate, selfishness, the author of LIES and the author of CONFUSION. His goal is to keep everyone away from Jesus word sot hat they never know divine peace or love. He does this by turning people into LIARS, FALSE PROPHETS, and THIEVES among other things. A LIE is something that is not true. A lie used to STEAL is an EVIL lie, that could only come from this Satan figure.

    Ronald Weinland ahs LIED, STOLEN ,and FALSELY prophesied. He is also an atheist who lies about his faith (pseudo-Christianity) to steal money from widows so he can buy BMWs for his family and spent 4 MILLION dollars on his own family out of GOD’S TITHES. The BIBLE says Ronald Weinland is evil, a follower of Satan the author of lies and confusion.

    Since you all have forgotten who Jesus is and who satan is, I thought I would remind you YET AGAIN: IF the Bible is true, then YOU ALL are destined for the Lake of Fire or HELL for helping Ronald Weinland DEFY and OPPOSE Jesus Christ.

    The Bible says so…

  • martin says:

    Possibly the biggest load of horse manure that I’ve ever seen.

    Laura’s birthday now has some potential biblical significance? LOL!!!!!!!!!!

  • martin says:

    “It shows that there are indeed seven 1260-day periods with an extra 70 days and 50 days from “the apostasy” to Pentecost of 2019.”

    Yes, this turns out to be true.

    BUT…he goes over by one day at one point in calculation and under by one day at another point in his calculation so the errors cancel each other out.

    Ron tries to attach biblical significance to these cycles BY SHOWING THEY START OR END ON A HOLY DAY.

    But since he is off a day in at least two places, his “proof” for his claims in NULLIFIED, as they do not occur on the Holy Days he claims they do.

    No, no, no, Ron will never be correct, not even when using a computer (incompetently) will he be correct, not when fudging it with two “magic numbers” (70 and 50) will he be correct.

    Ron will always be wrong.

  • Qzymandias says:

    Avo, I dare say you will be happier to meet Christ than Ron will. You already know him better than Ron.

  • martin says:

    Ron as mentioned a number of times, tries to claim uniqueness in this flawed calculation.

    But (to repeat), the number 1260, is 3.5 times 360, and the number 360 is interesting in itself.

    The reason that the number 360 is interesting, is that Holy Days have a tendency to span over 360 days.

    Why is this significant? It’s significant, because since this happens a lot, you can juggle the numbers to come out with supposedly meaningful occurrences.

    But Ron is not satisfied with this simple “technique”, as he feels compelled to fudge his calculations by throwing in a count for 70 days and 50 days.

    EVEN THEN….even with the fudging, he gets it wrong.

  • martin says:

    Regarding the November date.

    If you backtrack from Pentecost of 2019, you will get November 7th as the date the Tribulation Starts.

    I believe November 7th was the original date mentioned in Ron’s blog? Was it not?

    But since there are days where the calculations go over and under and inside out, one can never tell.

  • martin says:

    Of course NONE OF THIS….absolutely none of it, is in the bible.

    The bible mentions only 1 period of 1260 days, not multiple periods of 1260 days.

    Regarding the “man of sin”, it is plainly and clearly and explicitly stated that he is destroyed at the Second Coming.

    When Mr Tkatch Sr died, Ron tries to pervert the clear meaning of the Greek to try and support his position that Mr Tkatch is the man of sin.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ozy:

    Though the Bible is fiction… like you say I WILL be happy to meet Christ and God face to face IF they exist…so I can reject them both in person like I completely reject them now. It would be a privilege and an honor to turn my back on them – or indeed any other actual gods – like Maximus to Commodus in “Gladiator.’ The happiest day of my life spiritually was the day I broke free of the chains of Abrahamic religion and all theology in toto.
    And then I dated/married a devout Zen Buddhist! LOL!

    But do not be vexed… I’ll gladly go into the flames of the Lake of Fire if that is their wish…and I PROMISE I’ll HAPPILY drag Weinland in with me! 🙂

  • Acts says:

    “including a final 50 days, and it will be within this period that great physical tribulation comes upon this world.” RW $43$

    There you have it ! He is telling you right there that nothing is going to happen ! The last 50 days is when he starts working on his next timeline .

  • Acts says:

    57
    “There are 50 basic truths that God has given to His Church during the last three eras (Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea). Additional truths are also being revealed since the opening of the 7th seal.

    #43
    Ever since the Apostasy, the Church has been experiencing great spiritual tribulation, which will nearly be over by November 8, 2015.
    At that time
    the seventh and final cycle of 1,260 day from the Apostasy to Christ’s coming will begin,

    “including a final 50 days, ”

    and

    $$$ it will be within this period that great physical tribulation comes upon this world.$$$

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Mike, thank you for the in-depth analysis you did on the timeline of the false prophet weinland.

    I must admit that I had difficulty in assigning a “lying wonder” to weinland but that has now changed. After spending some time with your spreadsheet, I have come to the conclusion that the false prophet weinland’s time table is a “lying wonder”.

    The false prophet explanation of the “70 & 50” days is what convinced me. The way this false prophet manipulated the “errors” of the failed seven periods of 1260 days is astounding. It brings to mind the scripture that states, “if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect”. The 70 and 50 days are obviously “fill ins” to correct the lying wonder’s errors of the false prophet’s timeline. I am amazed how blindly pkgers accept this without any questions or challenge to the timeline. Where is the scriptural authority for this timeline? There is none. It is all smoke and mirrors.

    It only goes to show how skilled these deceptive false prophets are.

    What say you false prophet weinland – Tick Tock false prophet Weinland Tick Tock to Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    Unless Ron changed his mind “this period” is referring to the 1260 days, not the last 50 days.
    That is, the Great Tribulation occurs over the 1260 days.

    “in 2002 that money would be placed there in Ronald Weinland’s personal name in order to give the Church the ability to continue to function during a third world war that will engulf the world in the final years of the end-time (which will now occur within a period between November 2015 {as originally posted was 2016 but changed after a commenter pointed out the error} and May of 2019).”

  • Excogger says:

    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!”
    And now the web has ensnared the spider.
    Stick to dates that grow on date palms, Ron.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Jesus said NO man will know…Ron comes up with a chart that is not only WRONG… but Jesus Christ himself said such charts would be a mark of false prophets and liars!!

    You are an anti-Christ, Ronnie… and the Bible proves you are one…

  • Ronco says:

    “Mike, thank you for the in-depth analysis you did on the timeline of the false prophet weinland. ”

    Well worth a retweet!!!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    False prophet weinland, why is it that the Apostle Paul wrote that prophets are no longer needed in our modern time? Are you greater than Apostle Paul?

    “… Heb 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners “spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets”, Heb 1:2 Hath in these” last days” spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds …”

    This may be one of the reasons why you have a failure of prophetic events for the years of 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, and now 2019. There are no appointed prophets by God in our time. It is obvious that you have chosen to appoint yourself a prophet and your history of failure proves this. This history speaks for itself.

    Another aspect of your failures is stated in the following verse:

    “… 2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation …”

    Your timeline in not based on scriptural authority but is a product of your own imagination. How do you explain what is being said here and your current history of one failure after another?

    I can say this with confidence; you are running out of tricks from your bag of deception. Your “day of reckoning” is getting closer by the day.

    What say you false prophet weinland. Tick Tock false prophet weinland Tick Tock to Nov 2015

  • FedUp says:

    Does anyone else have a headache?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Well, my head still hurts from trying to sort out the nonsense from the straight-out errors.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    You think Ron’s lying, fake timeline is bad, try being an atheist/scientist in a world filled with dozens of “correct” religions that pump out all these lies 24/7…

    More than 100 people have died in Karachi, Pakistan due to heat stroke/thirst because they are fasting (no food OR water: sunrise to sunset) during Ramadan…so far. 100% preventable deaths…solved by a glass of water…which they didn’t drink because of some guy having an epileptic seizure in a cave 1500 years ago and writing that god is OK with “holy” war and not eating during daylight for a month. This kind of nonsense happens all the time. And you wonder why atheists hate [insert any god/messiah here] so much…

    Ronald Weinland is just doing what his faith requires him to do… lie about reality. Theological Darwinism is alive and well… and the wise have left Ron, while the weaklings who refuse to stand up for Jesus worship him and the nonsense coming from his maggot ridden brain.

  • Acts says:

    As long as Ron lives , there will be Errors, errors in Doctrine due to the Fact that he does not believe what Christ or the True Apostles said.
    Errors in prophecy because he cannot face the facts and repent before he dies.

    People who were a part of the WWCOG should ask themselves a question , what sins led to the fall of their institution ?

    It has nothing to do with Apostasy as Ron believes . It fell apart because it was not built on the Rock. It was built on the belief that HWA was an infallible pope. What doctrines did he change from the doctrines of Christ ?

    What more can be said about Ron Weinland ? 2012 2013 ?
    time for repenting has run out.

  • These spreadsheets illustrate just how complicated lying can be….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Let’s have a discussion false prophet weinland about the public visibility of the two witnesses. According to your timeline you and your wife will take center stage on Nov 7, or 8, or 9th. Your timeline is not clear on the exact date of this event.

    Basic biblical prophecy reveals that the “two” witnesses will be in the physical city of Jerusalem at the beginning of the 3.5 years. Your date for this start is Nov 7, or 8, or 9.

    Question: On the dates mentioned above and on your timeline you will still be in prison. How can the both of you be in Jerusalem in November 2015?

    This does not make any sense what so ever. Do you have some “private interpretation” that is contrary to “2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.” You are inconsistent in all that you say and teach and you expect the public to buy into your falsehoods? The news media will only be interested in your failed predictions and imprisonment for tax evasion.

    What say you false prophet weinland. Tick Tock false prophet weinland Tick Tock to Nov 2015

  • Randy says:

    Hey Bubba
    Reach over and bitch slap the stealing,lying asshole for me thank you !

  • Fooled No More says:

    “The news media will only be interested in your failed predictions and imprisonment for tax evasion.”

    Let’s not forget that even when he gets out of prison in February, he STILL has to report to a probation officer if he ever wants to leave the state. Kinda hard to witness to others around the world, when you’ll be at the mercy of the P.O. Or maybe he’d be there by proxy because of Laura??

    Doubt it!

    The media wouldn’t let go of that niggling detail——not on your life! Not to mention, there’s us folks out here in the hinterlands that will have a thing or two to say about the dealings of Ron and Co. 😉

  • martin says:

    Ron KNOWS he will still be in prison during November.

    My guess is that Ron will say nothing, so as not to draw attention to the fact that he should physically be in Jerusalem.

    Even Ron knew that, because that is what he did the first time around, he went to Jerusalem, and most likely stayed at a posh hotel and ate expensive dinners.

    I think when he penned in the 2019 Pentecost date, he forgot to think about it. He didn’t backtrack in time to see that he would still be in prison when the Great Tribulation started.

  • martin says:

    Does anybody have an idea if such a request would be granted?

    If Ron asked to leave the state or the country, what do you think? Do you think he would be granted that request??

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    It might happen. He was allowed to travel internationally while under indictment, last trip to Europe shortly before Christ didn’t return in 2012.

  • martin says:

    July 2nd is a few hours away……

    The last report I saw was that the traffic to PKG’s site was around 500, I’m assuming this 500 is probably just PKGers.

    At any rate, it’s traffic has pretty much hit bottom.

    Will 63,000 splinter members start surging to PKG’s site?

    No.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    63,000 people will NOT flock to the PKG… Weinland is a false prophet and a lying scumbag. Only sh*t comes from sh*t…

  • Enough is Enough says:

    How does the false prophet weinland maintain his abnormal control over what is left of pkg? This is simple and straight forward. It is done by confusing basic biblical doctrine. This is the method that the false prophet weinland has deployed to mesmerize his followers.

    This “tactic of confusion” is rooted in Joseph Tkach Sr. being the “man of sin” of 2 Thessalonians 2. Through the study of the subject from the “Bible” (not weinland’s doctrine) it is easy to determine that Tkach Sr. is not the “man of sin” as proclaimed by this false prophet weinland.

    This false prophet weinland has fabricated an entire theology based on Tkach Sr. Is this doctrine based on any scriptural authority? The answer is a resounding NO! The constant building upon building of this “doctrine of confusion” has led to the clouded vision of the remaining stagnant membership of pkg. This doctrine of Tkack Sr. is false and has no scriptural authority to support its claims. By proclaiming it is “spiritual” is nothing more than a tactic of confusing basic biblical teachings.

    What has this false doctrine of Tkach Sr. produced? It has produced the failure of all the proclaimed revelations from God to the false prophet weinland for the years of 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, and now 2019 which has a deadline date of Nov. 2015. This false prophet’s timeline is not clear (confusion) on the exact day. Take your pick, 7th, 8th, or 9th of Nov 2015. This is a perfect example of the use of “confusion”. This false prophet’s timeline is a perfect example of this tactic of confusing the real facts to promote this false doctrine of Tkach Sr.

    The point is this, once the doctrine of Tkach Sr. is exposed for the fakery that it is, then, the entire doctrinal base of pkg fails. It will speak for itself.

    What is interesting is that any basic knowledge of the bible tells you who the “author of confusion” is. No need to say anything further.

    What say you false prophet weinland. Tick Tock false prophet weinland Tick Tock to Nov 2015

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    So is this man of sin?

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    ..
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    I think Ronald Weinland fits the role of man of sin perfectly, by setting himself up between his followers and God to show them new-and-constantly-revised “truths” and continually new signs and lying wonders.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… It is you (false prophet weinland) that has created this history of lies and deceit and it will be a long standing witness against your continuing efforts to place yourself above God and His Authority..”

    Comment from earlier post on this current subject

  • Yes, except we have yet to see all power and signs in the lying wonders. Weinland has produced to real wonders, except everyone wonders how anyone could get future history so wrong.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron Weinlandt he Biblical Man of Sin? LMAO!!

    Ronald Weinland is so completely and thoroughly NOT even close to being important enough for the WORLD to take notice.

    The Book of Revelations STARTS AND ENDS with such major violence, death, starvation, war, demons, chaos, and misery, NO ONE on the planet will be able to MISTAKE it for anything else. The End Times revealed in John’s apocalypse are completely CLEAR. It will be a time in Earth’s history that will make every living person watch in utmost horror and confusion as the world plunges into an EPIC total downfall. Do you REALLY think some random lair/con artist named Ronald Weinland, who has fooled a couple hundred nitwits into giving him their money, will be the center of attention while the Earth BURNS and humanity almost completely dies off? Ronald Weinland is just a random scumbag…the only place where he occupies a pivotal role in scripture is in his imagination. He is like a kid in a sand box… trying to wreck all the other kids’ sand castles while building up his own and saying it is the greatest ever… a child who doesn’t realize that grown ups don’t care about his “greatness” int he sandbox.

    IF the End TImes of John’s apocalypse occur, NO ONE will care about Ronald Weinland… LIKE NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM NOW…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “….NO ONE will care about Ronald Weinland… LIKE NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM NOW”

    Unfortunately this is not true. Hopefully it will be soon, but probably not.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And as for July 2nd, where are the 63, 000? Oh yes, they are arriving to the PKG right now to be baptized… in Ronald Weinland’s imagination!!

    …just like the world will be plunged into chaos in November 2015… in Ron;s imagination. Just like EVERYTHING he says about the Bible and prophecy…it is ALL just nonsense produced by Ronald Weinland overactive narcissism. IF the Bible is true, then the ONLY TRUTH about Ronald Weinland is this: He will be dragged into the Lake of Fire by me personally as my way of “thanking” him for cursing my (and YOUR) children) to DEATH for not joining his cult.

    I think that will be a very nice way of me saying “You Christians were right… I was wrong…” Consider it the best Easter gift ever… 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I suppose you are right, Mike…

    but in terms of the populace… Ron is so insignificant in general terms, the couple of hundred nitwits that follow him don’t count when compared to the thousands and millions that profess traditional Christianity, Catholicism, etc. It is a baseball game, and while Christianity is about to hit a homerun, Ronald Weinland will be outside in the parking lot, locked in his car, terrified and hiding…when it REALLY counts… Ron will not be there for the real action.

    But it is a testament to your blog that you keep on trying to wake up the PKG even though they desperately DON:’T want to follow Jesus Christ… or anything peaceful, just, and wise. They think you are the enemy… and yet YOU are their best friend when no one else cares to liberate them from their chains…

    At the moment…you are the closest thing they have to a savior…

  • martin says:

    Is the 63000 going over to PKG a prophecy or not?

    PKG’s stance is sort of wishy washy about it.

    Either 7000 are going to die, and 63,000 are going to survive, and this is a prophecy, or it is not a prophecy.

    PKG does not seem very convincing, or convinced themselves. The talk about “chance”, “potential” that this will happen, this is not the language of somebody convinced of what they are saying themselves.

  • martin says:

    (2Th 2:9) “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”

    The greek words for “signs” and “wonders” are the same greek words used to describe Jesus’ miracles, but in The False Prophet’s case they are “lying signs” and “lying wonders”.

    That is, The False Prophet will perform miracles (plural). Revelation only explicitly states one of these, and it is that of calling down fire from heaven (duplicating Elijah’s same miracle).

    Ron has done plenty of lying, but to my knowledge has not done a single miracle.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I wonder what the next series of postings will be from this false prophet. I am assuming he is going to have to start “priming the pump” for the beginning of the tribulation that is suppose to start on November 8th or is it the 7th 2015. And of course johnny and wayne will have to do the same thing. So it begins.

    The question now becomes, what will happen when Nov 7th or 8th goes on by? And this will be compounded by the failure of the returning 63,000 by the November date. What will the saving mantra be?

    I do hope and pray that the remaining membership will wake up and realize that enough is enough. I wonder how many of them will financially compromise themselves like they did in the May 2012 debacle. It distresses me to be in knowledge of this cannibalistic behavior by these two false prophets.

    “… 2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof. Turn away from these …”

    What say you false prophet weinland. Tick Tock false prophet weinland Tick Tock to Nov. 2015

  • martin says:

    They will have to average about 525 new members a day from now to November, in order to reach their membership goals.

    Will it happen?

    No.

  • martin says:

    Is anybody dying from the splinters?

    Not 7000, no.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’m skeptical that there are still 63,000 surviving members, 20+ years following “the opening of the first seal”. The number he used to put out was a “tithe of the third”, more like 3000 members. Probably are not 3000 ex-WCG who even know he exists.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    The 63,000 was a revelation from God to the false prophet weinland prior to the May 2012 failure. I do know some of the current members and they still believe this is going to happen. They also are expecting a massive number of individuals to visit the website and repent and join pkg. All of this is supposed to happen “by” the November date. But, this is being downplayed by the two minions of the false prophet, I wonder why? These members are friends of mine still believe this is going to happen. They openly discuss it with me and others.

    I agree with Mike on his comment and question the basis on which the false prophet in basing his projection of 63,000. I am suspicious that the two minion also are in doubt and are downplaying the 63,000.

  • martin says:

    I agree with Mike on the assessment that there are probably not 63,000 surviving members.

    I also think that Ron + Laura KNOW that this is not going to happen, and are just “playing along” because this was their last prognostication on the matter, and they don’t want to come out as wrong again.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Right. It is not unlike any other capitalist enterprise! The executives of a manufacturing firm swear until they are blue in the face that their product is best on the market, even while they are involved in a massive recall because people have been maimed and killed by a defect in their product!

    Armstrongism and its variants are a defective product, because when used as intended, they cause irreparable and permanent damage!

    BB

  • charlie says:

    that chart reminds me of an economics course i took in college.

  • Douglas Becker says:

    Even after adding up as many as possible from (sometimes) questionable member counts [example: some United and CoGWA ‘members’ are interchangeable and may attend both and be counted by both], I can’t get much more than 40,000 for the entire Armstrongist Churches of God and maybe 30,000 is as accurate as any count (even that may be high).

    I am very sure that all the collected ACoGs are around somewhat under 10% of the 400,000 members of the Church of God Seventh Day.

    Ha! Ha! Maybe the 63,000 will come from the CoG7D! Ha! Ha! (Like they would even notice Weinland and the PKG.)

    It’s amazing how the entire universe can fit between Weinland’s ears….

  • martin says:

    The best guesstimate is around 35,000.

    Ron’s false prophecy requires not 63,000 but 70,000 out of which 7000 die. No it just is not possible. There are not enough for it to happen.

  • Ozymandias says:

    RW, “I can’t see it, but I believe it with every fiber of my being.” He can’t pull this off forever, but many of the PKG are elderly and will probably be dead by the time he’s finished.

  • martin says:

    Aside from Ronald Weinland not understanding a shred of biblical prophecy, or that he can’t understand plain English…

    This prophecy is just not even possible.

    It will not happen because it can’t happen.

  • martin says:

    Enough is Enough, what do you think your PKG associates would say? Do they not know that there are no 70,000 survivors from the WWCoG? So that it is not possible for Ron to be correct?

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    I just tell them, let’s wait and see and talk about it on Nov. 10th 2015.

  • PKG Shot gun wedding in GA says:

    PKG News Flash!!! A wedding took place June 26 th in GA. Apparently the date was rushed per the insistence of Laura! It was so swift that neither had rings, and were married not in the church but at a court house! No families were present nor were they told until the following night. Sems odd that 2 mature adults would rush into a union because Laura said so…..this is a life time decision and commitment! Amazing how much control this woman has over 2 brainwashed individuals. Wonder why Laura wanted them to rush? Perhaps too much is going one with these two or is she worried about loosing tithes if one of them backed out. Only a cult tells people when to get married……more to come!!!!

  • martin says:

    That just horrible.

    If two people are in love and get married that is one thing, but this being done at the behest of Laura is disgraceful.

  • martin says:

    I suspect it’s an attention getter to distract people from the failure of 63,000 people rushing to PKG

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This kind of marital desperation is normal for COGs. They feel so lonely and set apart that they will marry whomever is around and available…rather than date/mary normally.

    It is lonely being the gullible sheep of a COG, they marry to avoid reality as much as they follow a COG leader to avoid thinking for themselves. Some humans just don’t want to take responsibility for their own lives so they “lease” it to liars and criminals. And they marry to kill inner pain… not to express love.

    If you allow others to dictate your life and don’t stand up for your autonomy, you DESERVE the results…

  • Fooled No More says:

    Could it be the two individuals whose ex spouses have written to this blog about what’s going on with them?

    Hmmm???

    Absolutely ridiculous! We’ll be hearing in short order about how much “trouble” they’re having. I can’t really feel sorry for them as it makes no sense to rush into something this important——-at SOMEONE ELSES say so! 😮

  • Fooled No More says:

    On second thought, it may very well be someone I know quite well in PKG who’s been recently divorced, and is already seeing someone else. If this is true, the marriage is headed for certain doom! The ink is barely dry on his divorce papers, and he’s already wanting to jump into bed with someone else.

    How sad!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Shot Gun Wedding:

    She’s pregnant.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Pregnancy is the only circumstance to force a marriage to cover a scandal within pkg. Remember the false prophet claimed they are the “only” true church on earth today. No room for sexual inappropriate behavior within pkg.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to Nov 2015

  • Fooled No More says:

    “Pregnancy is the only circumstance to force a marriage to cover a scandal within pkg.”

    Enough is Enough, that sorta reinforces the point I made in my second comment. I could be wrong though and for this young gal’s sake, I hope I am!

    Now as far as those 63,000——nothing earth shattering in the last couple days that I’ve seen that would prompt them to immediately flock to PKG. 😉

  • PKG Shot gun wedding in GA says:

    I think they are to old, both in their 50s, to be pregnant. It was reported on this blog that she stayed at his house in March for a weekend, highly inappropriate.

    Look as long as these two are tithing, with the numbers dwindling in Georgia and elsewhere I am sure that the powers to be in Georgia and Ron and Laura will gladly look the other way to keep the dollars coming in, Hell these two could have shot Kennedy and they would still be welcomed into “the chosen church” as long as they keep sending the dollars.

    Anyone out there looking to join a cult, there is always PKG just send the money and you are welcome in “the chosen church” all is forgiven for $$$$

  • Fooled No More says:

    OK, then I know exactly who we’re talking about…..yet another marriage that’ll be on the rocks in no time flat. Sigh…………….the drama just keeps on keeping on in PKG. 🙁

  • Tithing covers all sins.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “God’s only TRUE church on Earth…” LMAO!!! Desperate marriages, tax fraud, false prophecy, lies… yup, sounds like a COG.

    The ONLY god Ronald Weinland and his sheep worship is Satan. There is nothing god-like or holy about this steaming pile of cat dung they call a church…

  • martin says:

    Any updates on the 100’s that are daily flocking to PKG?

    I didn’t think so.

  • martin says:

    Let’s just dissect this prophecy for a moment.

    First of all this prophecy happens AFTER THE TWO WITNESSES ARE KILLED and the RESURRECTED.

    They are KILLED then RESURRECTED…
    Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

    Then IN ONE HOUR this prophecy occurs, now this of course makes sense, in that a sudden earthquake that happens will cause buildings to collapse, and kill people very quickly, so the “hour” part, makes sense, in light of such an even occurring.
    Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    And the rest (the survivors) then give glory to God out of fright.

    Now Ron’s interpretation?

    1) It occurs at beginning of Tribulation instead of end
    2) It last for 5 months instead of 1 hour
    3) The Two Witnesses haven’t been killed/resurrected yet
    4) The tenth part is 10 percent of a population of 70,000 instead of being a tenth part of the city (the buildings). (the verse says it’s the city not the population)

    And yet PKGers can’t figure out that Ron is completely and utterly wrong???? Why?

  • martin says:

    Now when is “that SAME HOUR”?

    That same hour is referring to the resurrection of the Two Witnesses.

    The Two are resurrected THEN THAT SAME HOUR this earthquake occurs as God’s payment for taking their lives.

    That means, since Ron/Laura’s death are to be physical this time, that for this prophecy to be fulfilled, they will be martyred then resurrected, THEN this prophecy will be fulfilled.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Nothing Weinland says can come true. He is a false prophet and liar. ZERO percent of his ramblings represent reality. Liars don’t tell the truth.

    1. Ron has been 100% wrong about everything.

    2. Mike (DDTFA) has been 100% correct about RON.

    FACT…

  • Byker Bob says:

    Ah, yes, Brethren! We alone have the vital, secret, knowledge that you need in order to continue to live! The world around us is soon going to perish for lack of this knowledge. Join us! Support us! We are the elite remnant, currently in training to be the ruling structure in a new age which is soon to emerge!

    LOL!

    BB

  • Randy says:

    The asshole tells everybody how bad it is, my mom has a great life the people who gave the asshole all there money and the asshole and his money stealing bitch are the only ones who have it bad !

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    NOTHING is going to hapoen on any day Ronald Weinland thinks is special/holy/important… yet the PKG cling to his dried up prophetic teat desperate to keep on believing they are special…

  • martin says:

    I have yet to see any reports on Ron’s blog about the mass exodus to his group.

    I wonder why?

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    How can these people be leaders in a new age? Let’s see…they abuse their spouse, not pay bills or taxes, drink, ogle when they see someone in short shorts or bikini, etc…when caught lie out of it….it’s the other persons fault. Yep, I sure want them to be teachers!

  • Qzymandias says:

    GIF, remember, many are called , but few are chosen. Just because you tithe to Ron doesn’t give you an in with God. This church has fallen farther than most. I could hold up any “worldly” church and they wound do better than PKG. Ron made fun of the churches of the world as lesser, but it turns out that with the little they know about God, they know more than Ron. At the very least , many of them care for each other. More than I can say for PKG.

  • Randy says:

    My mom asked me today about the pope cover in up for the priest rapin young boys , witch is totally wrong , and I asked her is what Ron Weinland did any better I’m against all these crooks they use God for power and money , It ruins people’s faith

  • Randy says:

    Joel , Jim, Swaggert, and the rest !!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Good answer for her Randy! It matters not what someone’s “faith” is——-if they’re doing something wrong “in the name of God”, I personally think they’re much worse than the common criminal.

    The criminal may not know the right thing to do for various and sundry reasons, but these so-called “men of God” know EXACTLY what they’re doing, and do it with a straight face.

    That’s what makes them so disgusting!

  • martin says:

    Christ provided proof for his credentials….
    1) Healed the sick
    2) opened ears of deaf
    3) opened eyes of blind
    4) healed crippled people
    5) raised the dead
    6) cast out demons

    Ron….nothing…..
    For a prophet fulfilled prophecy is the main stamp of approval that demonstrates that he’s from God.
    Unfulfilled prophecy means the man is not from God, but is a false prophet.

  • martin says:

    No reports on 7000 people dying what-so-ever, from the splinters.

  • PKG experience: Few are called, none are chosen.

  • martin says:

    Ron literally has gotten EVERY PROPHECY he spoke completely WRONG.

    If I were a PKGer, I would consider, how a man can get everything wrong and still be right enough to lead you into the Kingdom.

    It’s not going to happen.

    Think about it….does God work that way? Where His servant (supposedly) gets everything wrong, and yet will lead you into the Kingdom? The thief comes to steal, kill, destroy, Ron will NOT lead you into the Kingdom, but into the “ditch”, just like the bible said would happen.

  • Fooled No More says:

    The sad thing is Martin, you bring that up to any PKG’er, and they’ll have some lofty reason why things are “happening this way”. Y’know it’s all spiritual and such! That’s a convenient way to not face the huge fact that they’ve been wrong, and some major upheaval will have to take place in their life to face that fact.

    What that will be depends from person to person——I got very tired waiting for something to “happen” and being broke all the time to boot. I tried to explain this to someone who’s still in PKG, and they understood that. To the point that they will no longer send tithes in to the church.

    I don’t know how long it will be before they’ll see the need to break totally away from them as they still want to listen to the sermons given by Wayne and Johnny. The fact that those two have not gotten away from Ron and Laura after all that they’ve seen speak volumes. No matter what they say in a sermon, IMO they’re just as guilty as the rest of them as they’re trying to hold up something that needs to collapse of its own weight.

  • Qzymandias says:

    FNM, if your friend sends his tithes anywhere but PKG , they will eventually ask them to leave. Years ago a few tried to spread it around to a few charities and such, and Ron basically said if you believe in this church , you will tithe to it. If you don’t , then you probably don’t belong here. RON will decide what to do with the money. If you don’t think he has that power, then again, you don’t belong here. So we left. All that money coming in just went to Rons head. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as the saying goes. PKGERS will not leave because they are as stubborn as Ron is , and just refuse to be wrong.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy & FNM

    Once someone stops tithing they will send the “elder” to find out why. The bottom line is this, you refuse to tithe to false prophet weinland you will be booted out of his false church. This is a good thing once you realize that you (pkger) are nothing more than a “profit center” for the false prophet wienland.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to Nov 2015 – crash and burn false prophet weinland

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM,

    Johnny and Wayne, who knows what their story is. It will be interesting to hear what they will be saying on Nov. 14th, first Sabbath after the false proclamation of the start of the tribulation.

    The question is: How many times will it take to realize that weinland is a false false prophet?

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to Nov 2015 – crash and burn false prophet weinland

  • Qzymandias says:

    I would imagine that there are quite a few that are having a few doubts about Ron and Co. I have heard a few ask some questions on the Sabbath. Usually one of the RAH RAH boys take them aside and out things to right. All of them know they will be starting over digging around for another “prophet”, so they are just sticking it out to see what happens. Ron does have some die hards that would rather crash and burn with him than admit their wrong. Ron will not be able to keep this up for ever, but he doesn’t really have to. After several more years Ron will retire due to his health. After that , he really won’t care what happens. He was ready to throw in the towel 20 years ago and go work for his brother. It was only after everyone rallied behind him with enough money that he quit the threats.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Ozy,

    I agree with what you are saying. I have to ask this question, “did the false prophet miscalculate this current false prognostication due to his still being in prison come November 2015”? If he did, then what!?

    My mind tells me that this will be the catalysis to finally finish off pkg. But, who knows for sure.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn Nov 2015

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The PKG will never completely die with the Weinlands around. Where there is spiritual fear and confusion a “Weinland” will always pop up to steal/lie/cheat their way to wealth.Thus, religion will always be a running joke to atheists for this very reason. It is the oldest legal crime scheme in the world, and a choice between between the mental liberty we are born with, or enslavement.

    The PKG want to be used. They are masochists looking for a spiritual dominatrix.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I am amazed at the boldness and arrogance of these charlatans, weinland family. Apparently the “quick kill” wasn’t enough for them. Obviously they caught the “fever” that goes with that type of financial lust even to the point of becoming a convicted felon. Amazing what human nature is capable of.

    Now to realize that the scheme is about to end must be torment for the weinland family. At one point in time, they had what they needed only to take it further and now have to face a collapse of all they had schemed for. How disappointing this must be for the weinland children – it’s about to end.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn – Nov 2015

  • The solution to all this is simple: Each PKG member should prove all things and study daily as the Bereans did to see if these things are true.

    Of course, they would have to be honest with themselves….

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Here is another point to consider. This false prophet weinland has proclaimed that the tribulation will start on November 7th or 8th and If they (pkg’ers) believe this then why all of the planning to attend the Feast of Tabernacles at the end of September. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the false prophet weinland to tell everyone to stay home and send in all their feast’s tithes to weinland’s bank account?

    Who knows, this may be in the works – one more “quick kill” before it is all over for pkg.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn – Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    Still no report of 7000 dying or 63000 rushing to PKG on Ron’s site, also no new Feast sites set up to handle new members.

    I wonder why?

    Not one person has died (by some miraculous means, like a hole opening up in the ground and swallowing them up).

    Not one person from the splinters has headed over to PKG (to anybody’s knowledge).

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I remember when a new member came up to me…”I shook his hand”. I looked at them and said “woopie”. Didn’t make any brownie points for that one. When I said he is just a man, not God. I had to laugh, they replied, “you’r wrong, you better repent.” Really people, how sick is that. That is what Ron likes / expects, in his followers. He likes being on that pedestal. I would always tell Gary, he just has farther to fall.

  • Randy says:

    Glad I’m free
    Is Gary still around he used to call mom and tell her what I posted on Mikes site but he has not called in years !

  • martin says:

    Randy, ask your mother…

    Where are the 7000 that are dying?

    Where are the 63000 people running to PKG to become members?

  • Fooled No More says:

    I would think that at this point, there’d be more “warnings” on Ron’s part of this impending doom. At least that’s how I seem to remember how things were going in the months leading up to May 27, 2012.

    Not a peep, and Enough is Enough—–that is valid point in that Ron should have been making provisions for all these “new” brethren to fit in so to speak especially in regards to the Feast. In fact, months ago, I remember making statements on how just would the 63,000 “fit in”. At what point would they join us? Wouldn’t it take time for all of them to “catch up”? Of course, the answer I always got was “God will work it out”, and “Because they were part of Worldwide, they might breeze past us spiritually”.

    Really??

    As Martin said, no one’s beating a path to PKG’s door as I type this, and as the ‘ol Sonny and Cher song goes………….

    “And The Beat Goes On”!

  • martin says:

    Ron needs 508 new members ever day, to meet his 63K number.

    It’s not going to happen.

  • martin says:

    One things that PKGers simply can not grasp, is reality it seems.

    This prophecy can not be fulfilled because the initial number of required surviving WWCoG members: 70,000, does not exist.

    The best estimate is around 35,000 surviving WWCoG members scattered throughout the various splinters.

  • Randy says:

    Martin
    I will thanks

  • Qzymandias says:

    EIE, I would love to believe that THIS time the PKGERS will wake up. I feel a few of them may, but then I flabbergasted that so many of them stayed. You do NOT need any of these churches to love God, or keep the Sabbath. They act as though they invented it. My guess is that Ron will “work” his being in jail into the whole plan. If these is a way to crunch the numbers to work it in he will. This is basically his whole plan at all times. Work and rework his timeline until he comes up with something. I’ll bet he loses sleep at night working it all out.

  • martin says:

    What boggles me is that he’s so OBVIOUSLY a false prophet.

    I think if he had it tattooed onto his forehead people would still not see it.

    The guy practically breathes lies, and they STILL CAN’T SEE IT.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… He was ready to throw in the towel 20 years ago and go work for his brother. It was only after everyone rallied behind him with enough money that he quit the threats …” Ozy

    This is interesting. This false prophet weinland was ready to call it quits? Apparently his side kick false prophetess must have discussed the financial benefit in going out on their own with the master of deciet. It now makes sense because this false prophet weinland would know exactly on how to pull it off.

    Everyone knows that you focus on prophesy and claim to be a messenger from God and “they will come”. How interesting. The only fault is that you must keep the falsehood viable in order to keep it alive outside the womb of deceit because after a number of failures it comes to its end. The secrete is in making the “quick kill” and to move on. These false prophets became obsessed with the amount of money that this scheme produced and lost sight of when to fold them.

    How interesting.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn – Nov 2015

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Randy, last I heard, a few months ago, was that Gary was still attending PKG and still driving semi, scary thought! I don’t keep in contact with many in PKG or out anymore.

  • martin says:

    Ron needs “liar” tattooed to his forehead.

  • Randy says:

    Ron also needs his tongue cut off for lieing so much !

  • Fooled No More says:

    Glad I’m Free, If you’d like, contact Mike off the board and get my email addy from him. I think I might know Gary.

  • martin says:

    No news yet? I’m starting to wonder if this false prophecy is gonna happen or not.

  • Randy says:

    The money whore called last night !

  • martin says:

    Four months until Ron starts his job physically now.

    Only it won’t happen and Ron will say it’s spiritual again.

    Plus he will still be in jail, how is he going perform his job while jailed?

    An angel set Peter free from prison so that Peter could get the job done, let’s see if this will happen with Ron the most powerful prophet in all history (you know the one that is supposed to breath fire).

  • martin says:

    EIE “it is all too obvious that Joe Tkach Sr. is NOT the prophesied “man of sin” of 2 Thessalonians 2 as this false prophet proclaims and preaches ”

    WHY….WHY….WHY can’t the PKGers simply read the 2 Thess 2 passage????????????

    Why can they not do this simply thing????

    While some parts of the passage are difficult to understand, the verses that talk about the “man of sin” (aka The False Prophet, The Foolish Shepherd, The Anti-Christ and other names) is very plain.

    The “man of sin” is destroyed by Christ at the Second Coming.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Martin,

    This false prophet weinland set up his false theology based on two filters:

    1) J Tkack Sr. was the “man of sin” of 2 Thess 2.

    2) Jesus Christ did not exist prior to his human birth.

    In order to become a member of the pkg cult you would have to accept these two false doctrines. If you did not accept them then you would not be considered for membership of this false church.

    The initial intent was to attract wwcog members only. The reason being that only former wwcog would understand who J Tkach Sr. was. Individuals who have no knowledge of J Tkach or wwcog wouldn’t have a clue on what this is all about. I read in one of Wayne’s sermons he mentioned that it was the “tkach theory” that convined him that the false prophet is a true prophet and Wayne still believes this today.

    It will take more than realizing that the two filters are false. In my opinion it will come down to prophesy failure and money that will bring this false prophet weinland to his ruin.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn false prophet weinland Nov 2015

  • Randy says:

    What’s up asshole I’m sitting in my back yard watching my beautiful garden listen to some good music , and no 2/3 of vegetain gone and you are sitting in Fedral prison wish your wife had a cell next to you !

  • martin says:

    EIE “2) Jesus Christ did not exist prior to his human birth.”

    When I read the chapter in his book that espoused this doctrine, I thought to myself, surely I must be mistaken, nobody would be dumb enough to teach such an obviously false doctrine, or believe it.

    This brings up the Deut 13 warning about “other gods” (ie Christ not being Eternal is a false god).
    A false prophet brings a false god, another god.

    This is what Ron did, and most of PKG did not blink.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    AND ONCE AGAIN RONALD WEINLAND IS PROVEN TO BE AN ATHEIST! LOL!

    1. All atheists believe that jesus was an actual man who existed but was not divine. There is enough second hand evidence for Jesus being alive and well when they say he was. But there is no evidence to suggest he had magic powers other than the gospels, written long after Jesus lifetime, by people who NEVER met him. He was a human who was NOT divine, ergo he did not exist prior to his human birth. Ronald Weiland believes EXACTLY what every atheist believes!

    2. This also conforms with JUDAISM. The Jewish Messiah, whom Jesus said he was, is born of a virgin, meaning a young woman, not a virgin. The Jewish messiah is of common birth but ascends to Messiah status through a divine indwelling/inspiration that he RECEIVES when he is over 30 years old and thus eligible to be a rabbi/teacher/Messiah. The Messiah then leads the people as the new Jerusalem is established and God finally reigns supreme over a united world of Jews and righteous gentiles.

    3. Jesus is also a holy prophet of God to the Muslims. He is a holy man, BUT NOT divine/sharing aspects of god. Jesus as human born only is Islamic.

    4. Hinduism teachs that all things are manifest of god, so Christianity is a rather twisted path to the Hindu (gods) as well… once Christians realize they are actually worshipping Brahma/brahman, etc. Jesus to HIndus is a holy man, human born, leading Christians towards the day they finally go beyond earthly religion like Christianity and embrace the Universal One.

    5. The original path of Buddhism (Theravada) also embraces wise HUMAN teachers who preach versions of the message that the Buddha taught 200 + years BEFORE Jesus.

    6. Satanists reject Christ’s divinity and the existence of Lucifer, making Satan figurative: a metaphor/symbol for martyrdom and/or freedom. Satanists also believe that Jesus was human, thus he only existed after his birth.

    7. So Jesus as existing only AFTER being physically born is supported by Judaism, atheism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Islam…all the major religions EXCEPT for Christianity!! LOL! Ronald Weinland is both a polytheist AND atheist by making Jesus exist only after 0 – 33 AD!!!

    Ronald Weinland is such an idiot. He is such a false prophet that his Biblical justifications are rooted in the EXACT OPPOSITE of JESUS CHRIST’s Gospel!!

    Only Ronald Weinland could be that stupid. Not even Thiel. Flurry, Pack, or Meredith have f-ed up the Bible that badly!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    AND… let’s not forget Revelation 22:18-19… I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

    Hey Ron,

    1. Where in the BIBLE does it say Laura Weinland’s birthday has spiritual significance?

    2. Just when did JESUS say this?

    3. Where did Apostle Paul preach Laura’s birthday? On Mars Hill?

    4. Did John the Baptist anticipate Laura?

    5. Did Peter deny Laura three times?

    The ONLY place a “Weinland” is mentioned in the Bible is Judas. Both you two and Judas have sold Jesus out for financial gain.

    Judas and Judy Weinland… buying BMWs with money gained from selling Christ to the weak and afraid.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    DEUT 18: 22…”If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared…” Hey Ronnie! God himself says I need not fear you! The BIBLE commands me to not be afraid of you!! LOL! Your church is a fraud, you are fraud, and your confused, badly written theology is a fraud. I am as afraid of you as I am of chocolate pudding!

    Ronald Weinland… as dangerous as a gentle breeze…as spiritually significant as a lump of grass…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    HERE IS THE REAL TIMELINE FOR THE PKG:

    May 30, 1949: Ronald Weinland is born.

    1950 – 2019: Rpnald Weinland tells non-stop lies 24/7.

    20??: Ronald Weinland dies of old age, telling one last lie with his dying breath.

  • Byker Bob says:

    These false prophets somehow believe that applying their interpretation of mathematics to the prophecies in Revelation, along with some questionable “insider” extrabiblical principles, will allow them to know when Jesus is going to return. Jesus had stated in the strongest possible terms that the time of His return was unknowable to mankind. Math, though useful in various other aspects of life, is completely irrelevant to prophecy. Prophecy is revealed by God, and those who communicated these prophecies to mankind in Biblical times always had some sort of validation from God. So, what we were exposed to in Armstrongism is a collection of somewhat polished, but unvalidated hucksters playing a game of Bible.

    The impact that powerful “orators” who claim to actually know the unknowable have had on all of our lives has been disruptive and exploitative. A pox on all of their houses! We would all have been better off if we or our parents had turned the dial to some rock or country radio station, or subscribed to Rolling Stone rather than one of the Armstrong “cookie cutter” magazines, and never heard the Armstrong “gospel”.

    BB

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hear, Hear, BB!!

    Post-WWCG my life was vastly improved by listening to Led Zeppelin’s Houses Of The Holy album, Seconds Out (Genesis), Dark Side Of The Moon (Pink Floyd), any/all Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath’s first three records, and pretty much everything by RUSH save for caress Of Steel. I even got the chance to see Zeppelin right before Bonham died. It was the closest thing I have ever had to a truly divine experience. And as for the Bible, God gave the prophets actual powers and signs. There is not a single “mathematician” in the Bible who figured out any will of god. Even the ‘number of the beast’ was known/clear to any who knew who Nero was. Oh hooray! Ronald Weinland can use a calculator now to be a false prophet… not just a liar, but a ‘calculating” liar!! LOL!

    Weinland is such an idiot. HWA/Weinland didn’t celebrate BIRTHDAYS… they are worldly….. and now Laura’s BIRTHDAY is being “celebrated.” There is nothing Weinland can’t mess up… he might as well make Laura’s birthday the new Sabbath for all the Biblical “understanding” he has!

    I wonder if they have a pet… maybe Weinland’s cat is the latest member elevated to ‘elder.’

    Maybe their goldfish is the Third Witness…

  • Byker Bob says:

    What amazes me, is that these Armstrongist religions focus their members on knowing and eliminating all of the elements of paganism from their lives. Mathematics actually came from the Babylonians, the Egyptians, the Chinese, (2,000 B.C.) and was later refined by the Pythagoreans and the Greeks (600 B.C.). Neither COG leaders, nor I, believe that everything that came from pagan sources is inherently bad, but they seem to want to be the sole arbiters of what the “good” paganism was, and what the bad paganism is. The good paganism seems to be whatever they feel proves and supports Armstrongist beliefs, and the bad for them most certainly includes such things as the logic which holds them accountable and deflates their entire belief system. It is no accident that HWA was a fan of Alexander Hislop, known for all of his improbable leaps, and his extensive quoting of obscure references. You might even say that Hislop, through his methodology, was the architect of the Armstrongist belief system.

    Know how you feel about the Zeppelin concert experience, Avo. I never saw them live, but have seen concert videos, and have some of their vinyl, cassettes, and CDs. I was a fairly active concert goer, and did get to see lots of other big name groups in the rock, country, and blues genres over the years.

    BB

  • martin says:

    I’m starting to doubt the 7K dying / 63K converting to PKG false prophecy.

  • martin says:

    Less than 4 months…..since we have 4 seals first, before the 5th seal we which starts the Great Tribulation on Nov 7th or Nov 8th (or maybe 9th)……..

    We must have the 4 horsemen ride before then. (the first 4 seals = 4 horsemen)

    So we then will have 1/4 of humanity die before November.

    Have the Beast Leader appear. Have the False Prophet appear. See him call down fire from heaven.

    See the resurrected Roman Empire in a 10 nation combine in Europe.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    “… I’m starting to doubt the 7K dying / 63K converting to PKG false prophecy …” martin

    why would you want to believe anything that the false prophet weinland has to say.

    tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock …………..

  • martin says:

    I was being sarcastic
    🙂

  • martin says:

    Randy, has your mother expressed what she would do if nothing happened in November?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    LOL! Martin! I got the sarcasm.

    No 25% of humanity dying, no Beast Leader, no fire from Heaven. Ronald Weinland is just a con man in a jail cell, followed by a bunch of scared old WWCGers. I am as afraid of Ronald Weinland’s jabbering as a leaf on a pond….

    As Triumph the Insult Comic Dog (from the old Conan O’Brien show) would say… “Ronald Weinland is a great prophet… for me to poop on!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5g_gs6nnyo

  • Byker Bob says:

    Yep! It begs the question “Got any Gray Poop-on?”

    BB

  • Randy says:

    No Martin she is weak minded and will follow the asshole till he dies

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Randy, just remember that your mom is a very kind and loving person. Went out of her way when I first met her. When others would walk past you, she was always there with a hug.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    What happened to the WWCG teaching about not using credit cards? only in an emergency, everything else was save to pay with cash. WWCG always taught to stay out of debt. Now fast forward to Ron, how many people are in debt because of his teachings? How many people are still drinking / smoking / abusing mates?

    EIE, if your friend has stopped giving money, his name is already known. Remember PKG people do read this site. Gary was one of them, he claimed it was just to see what others were saying, even though his mind was closed to what was going on. His reply, I lost the church once, will not again.

    What Gary and others don’t understand they have still lost “the church”, cause it is not with Ron. Many people need other people for strength / followers, they can not follow what the Bible says on their own. Can not keep Sabbath or Holidays without a group of people to share with. It is all about appearances. It’s that appearance that gives them the prideful attitude that many carry, yet deny they have and it is that pride that keeps them with PKG. Give up marriages, homes, jobs, go into debt, all for their pride, to say they are following God.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Glad I’m Free, that was I that wrote about someone I know that will no longer send in tithes to the church. I’m sure those in PKG that read this blog know who I am, and I don’t really care. Everything that I’ve written about in the past about PKG has been factual, and if they need dates and names to back up what I say, I can certainly do just that!

    But they won’t ever call and ask me for that info, because guess what??………….they’ll be forced to sit and think about all that’s happened (or not) in the church all these past 7-8 years.

    As far as my friend is concerned, they’ve told me that if the church wants to put them out because of not sending in tithes—-so be it! After what they’ve read about here, and after what we’ve talked about as far as what’s been going on, a light bulb has certainly been turned on, and I can tell they’ve about had enough.

    I’ll go so far to say that of all of the ex-PKGer’s that I’ve been in touch with, the resounding answer as to why they left is that Ron is a False Prophet. They no longer wanted to be associated with and sending money to a church that has been lying to them too many times, and Ron’s trial was certainly the catalyst that changed things for them.

    Ron can try to paint his imprisonment as a parallel to the original apostles imprisonment all he’d like. The fact remains that NONE of them were put in prison for failing to report MILLIONS (!!) of dollars to the government, spending said money on stuff that had NOTHING to do with the church, WHILE many of your own members of said church are struggling financially because they fear of NOT sending enough money into the church.

    Disgusting and sad!

    Frankly not if, but when the church collapses from withing due to all this corruption, I really can’t feel sorry for Ron and co. as they know EXACTLY what they’re doing, and have no remorse in all the damage that’s been done due to their corruption.

    Rant over!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    What I still find really funny is how Ronald Weinland’s teachings are atheistic and anti-Christ, and YET the PKG think they are TRUE Christians, the ONLY ‘actual’ Christians on the planet! Ron could tell them Vishnu is an incarnation of the Holy Spirit and the PKG would believe him. I’ll even bet that soon Ronald Weinland will appoint himself “Gandalf” and the PKG will believe the Lord of the Rings is BIBLICAL!! LOL!

  • Yes, and Harry Potter is a documentary.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    FNM:

    I fully agree with you. It is my hope and desire that when Nov 8th rolls around that “all” of the pkg’ers will realize that something is terribly wrong with pkg. My question has always been, “how many failure will it take to realize that this is a false prophet”?

    The arrogance and absolute lack of regard for the ruination of innocent lives for their selfish greed is appalling to me!

    Glad I’m Free:

    How ironic is it! This false prophet philosophy of spent spent spent!!! To be candid with you, I ask God daily to free them (pkg’ers) from this borderline demonic known as weinland. It reminds me of an old Star Trek episode were an evil entity had control over some kids and when the truth was finally revealed the evil entity lost it power over them. I see pkg as the same scenario.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    E.I.Enough:

    Keep in mind that the remaining PKG are old school Armstrongites. You spend 30 – 50 years believing the lies of a failed ad man from the early 20th century, it is not like you are going to start thinking normally.

    1. Your entire life has been based on a lie and removing your warp core after decades of use will stop the ship. Impulse power is not enough to escape the gravity of Armstrongism unless you discover a way to synthesize TRI-lithium crystals, revamp your engines and high tail it out of there at a trans-warp speed.

    2. Armstrongism is also the Borg…except with an angry old incestuous pedophile named Herbert founding the Collective, then leaving it to be run by anti-Christ sociopaths who think they are demigods…

    3. Armstrongism is also like a toilet. Everything that goes into it becomes filthy. The PKG need a spiritual plumber to un-filth them…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Armstrongism is also REALLY attractive to MEN:

    1. MEN who like to dominate others. MEN who, having failed at normal life, flock to Armstrongism to wield power… to hurt others in order to make themselves feel strong, to be cruel because they now have the same authority as the OLD Testament god… a cruel, authoritarian who demanded love and loyalty or ELSE. It is no surprise that MEN love COGs. It is a great place to be sociopathic narcissist in the name of god.

    2. Notice that WOMEN are the fastest to wake up out of this system. Notice how WOMEN go on to have the MOST successful lives post-COG cult.

    3. Notice how WOMEN are the most devout and faithful, loving, forgiving followers of Christ in his time and after. Notice how Jesus associated with women, not to judge but to liberate from sin.

    4. Notice how MEN (the Pharisees) took it upon themselves to judge, torment, and stone pretty much everyone to death…while the women spoke to Christ, studied, and acted in faith.

    5. Notice how it was a WOMEN who gave birth to Jesus Christ. God could have just made him pop up magically. There is no NEED to have the (Christian) Messiah ‘born,’ but the Christ was born of a woman, because a righteous WOMAN was WORTHY of God’s Son.

    6. Ronald Weinland is worthy of being thrown in the Lake Of Fire with the rest of us atheists because he is worthy of that end ONLY.

    But let;s not let Meredith and Flurry and Weinland and Pack and Thiel know that WOMEN were the true church (bearing the fruits of the spirit). They would all have a heart attack and go on a screaming rampage if Christ came back and ordained their WIVES to Apostleship and demoted them to chair setting up deacons….

    …and tossed Laura in the LOF for abandoning the potential of her gender and NOT rising about the petty selfishness of bad men and women.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I don’t think there has ever been a MAN who has been close to being worthy of fathering the Messiah (figuratively or literally).

    Personally I would LOVE to see Randy Terlecki become the earthly father of the Messiah. Just to watch Weinland crap his pants in fear and rage, knowing that he has destroyed the life of Randy’s mom… and will now be known as the anti-Christ AND the anti-Terlecki!! 🙂

  • Enough is Enough says:

    This false prophet weinland has a “klingon” cloaking device and is able to remain invisible for what he really is. Except for the ones who know how to detect a klingon cloaking device.

  • Randy says:

    Hahaha thanks Avo , I hate that ashore and his Bitch like he said 10 years ago if nothing happen he will be provin a false Profet! Then he thought a wait a minute the tights will quite coming I’ll be broke and my I’ve loves the rich life , satan gave me wrong info. Hahaha hope he dies in prison !!!!

  • Helping others says:

    Can anyone give one example of how the PKG has helped one individual outside of their group, it seems to me that I have heard of many instances where other religious groups have reached out to those in need, but not once have I heard of PKG doing it. Maybe they should be called the church of selfish, although church might be a stretch. Take those two people that rushed to get married in Georgia, how selfish was that, didn’t even tell their families all because Laura told them not to wait and get married ASAP, the woman in this union is from the Michigan group, she has been the target of Laura’s gossip on more than one occasion but yet she listens to Laura and rushed to get married, didn’t care about others only what she wanted, how selfish the poor guy she married probably wanted to wait but oh no the mighty Laura had spoken. I am sure there are more examples of how selfish they are. Maybe they should be told that HELPING OTHERS IS THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others:

    This false prophet and his false prophetess has only helped out their own family members. The record speaks for itself.

    Once again, the arrogance and no regard for the harm they do to others lives means nothing to them. The record speaks for itself

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn false prophet weinland Nov 2015

  • martin says:

    No fulfillment of any kind of prophecy so far….

  • martin says:

    One thing, just because Ronald Weinland is a false prophet, that teaches that Christ is returning and even though in every case, none of Ron’s pronouncements regarding that has failed, this does not mean (for me) that this event will not happen.

    Ron uses a lot of prophetic key words like, Great Tribulation, Day of the Lord, False Prophet…etc…etc..he understands none of it (the proof that he understands nothing, is in all the failed prophecies he’s spoken).

    So in time, prophecies will be fulfilled, NOT in the way Ron has said, but they will look similar, so PKGers will think Ron is right.

    But God does not work this way, prophetic fulfillment is not sorta, close to, almost, what the prophet said, it is EXACTLY like what a true prophet says.

    For Ron this boat has sailed a long time ago.

  • Randy says:

    Avo
    I thank Ron the ashore is just brain dead , I think Laura the money whore is the real one who should of gone to prison for stealing and Gossipping I heard with my own ears , I not a lair have no reason !!!!!

  • martin says:

    The world is going to end in 4 months, and Ron is only posting once a month?

    Does that sound like a man that believes his own prophecy?

    I don’t think so.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Keep in mind that he has booked a Feast site! Only DAYS before the world ois plunged into anarchy and horror… as the world’s children are burnt alive by nuclear war… as innocent babies are lost in the fallout sickness, chaos and murder…Ronald Weinland wants BABIES to die so he can be [roved right…

    … all the kids my wife and I have saved from the streets of Hanoi and Hai Phong will be roasted by nuclear weaponry… and Weinland does NOT care… all those innocent little eyes staring out at the world will boil and burst in their skulls as the firestorms spread… all the misery that CHILDREN will face and Ronald Weinland is OK with it…

    If the world is a few WEEKS after the Feast why is Ron NOT begging people to come to his church to be saved fromt he horror that is about to be unleashed. Anyone with a HEART would be desperate to save as many people as possible from the horror. Only Satan wouldn’t care about humanity… Jesus DIED for US… Ronald Weinland hopes WE all die for HIM!! Sounds like Satan to me…

    I a m a TOTAL and COMPLETE atheist… defiantly against any and all imaginary gods…but if I found out for sure that the world was ending and that I could SAVE humanity somehow I would sell EVERYTHING I have to spread the word and get everyone to whatever safety is possible… and I don;t believe in god at ALL. How can “God’s Prophet” on Earth be so cold as to NOT care about humanity… Jesus WAS compassion… “all can be saved…” Ronald Weinland? “NOONE is saved except for anyone that tithes to ME and believes my LIES…”

    Ronald Weinland is a human toilet filled wit Satan’s diarrhea… Weinland needs to be flushed…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    1. Abraham, the Patriarch of all of God’s Children begged god to spare anyone even remotely righteous in Sodom and Gomorrah… (Genesis 18:23–25).

    2. Moses begged god to spare the Israelites… (Exodus 32:12–14)

    3. Ronald Weinland CURSED our CHILDREN to DEATH… stole money from the government, and has stolen tithes from widows while refusing to call out to the world…

    Here is my message to Anti-Christ Ronald Weinland… on behalf of my German/Vietnamese children you cursed to death… Tôi hy vọng bạn chết trong đau đớn …may YOUR end be painful…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    1. Mary Magdalene is THE most devoted follower of Jesus, prepared his body for burial, still believed after the Crucifixion when the MALE disciples thought all was lost, and witnessed the Resurrection.

    2. Rahab the PROSTITUTE was savedby Joshua/God for risking her life to help the Jews….

    3. Priscilla accompanied Paul to Syria at risk for her life to help him preach the Gospel…

    4. Laura Weinland buys expensive panties, diamonds, gold, and BMWs and goes on trips to Europe….using the tithes of WIDOWS…

    Laura Weinland is a liar, gossip, and anti-Christ harlot growing fat on the misery of COG widows trying to survive…

  • martin says:

    He also had a widow put up her house for bond for him, I’m sure Ron had enough of his own money in the bank to do this, that he went and had a widow do this for him is disgusting.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Children are cursed to death and widows must risk financial ruin the Weinlands can buy BMWs and diamonds…

    …Satan loves the Weinlands most over all his demonic servants….

  • FedUp says:

    Helping Others,

    Sadly, the COGs have a miserable record when it comes to charity work. A guy I know in one offshoot once suggested making a donation of canned goods to a local food bank. They said they needed to study the idea. Needless to say, it was never done. Charity is seen as a Protestant thing. I never saw anyone, even inside the church, get help when it was desperately needed. All the tithes have to go to “the work”.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This con artist has a website and P.O box for a church yet SPENT… I repeat SPENT… 4 MILLION DOLLARS on BMWs, art, diamonds, luxury cruises, Vegas luxury hotels, dinners, PLUS living expenses for his kids so they didn’t have to work hard like the rest of us. AND he stole money from the government. How’s that for “The Work”… ? Ronald Weinland’s ‘Work’ is theft, lies, crime, lust, greed, covetousness, and everything that is the OPPOSITE of the ‘Fruits Of The Spirit.’ He cursed our CHILDREN to DEATH… that is his work… saying children should die so he can look righteous…

    Ronald Weinland is a human toilet.

  • Helping others says:

    Is it not “the work” of decent loving people to help others in need, why can’t the people in this group see that, it is amazing that educated people are so brainwashed that they let two people, Ron and Laura run their lives to such an extent. They should remember the phrases ” a friend in need is indeed a friend, and it is better to give than receive” but I guess Ron and Laura have been giving it oh I mean sticking it to people for a long time, so they must be used to it. How prideful these people are to think they are chosen when they could careless about others.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others,

    As I have stated: “… The arrogance and absolute lack of regard for the ruination of innocent lives for their selfish greed is appalling to me …”

    I ask the same question, “… what will it take for the membership to see these charlatans for what they are …”

    Hopefully and I mean hopefully Nov 8th 2015 will be the tipping point to bring the weinlands to their END!!!!

    Consider this, as the tithes begin to fall off, watch and see what they will start demanding of the membership. It will only be “charity” for the wienlands ONLY!!!!!

  • martin says:

    http://www.similarweb.com/website/ronaldweinland.com#

    The traffic is too low to even register it seems….(before they reported around 500)

    So much for Ronald Weinland’s prophetic abilities.

  • martin says:

    “Hopefully and I mean hopefully Nov 8th 2015 will be the tipping point to bring the weinlands to their END!!!! ”

    Keep in mind that Peter was imprisoned, but God sent an angel to release him from prison so that he could do the work.

    Since Ronald Weinland claims to be the greatest prophet of all time, we can assume God will do the same for him.

    Ron can not use the excuse “well I’m in prison….so I have to wait till I get out….blah…blah…blah”

    Unless he’s a false prophet, in that case, he’s going to stay in prison till next year.

  • Helping others says:

    Is there any chance that Ron has a chance to be released from prison early, before Nov. 8th and he knows of it, so he is not worried about where he’ll be then, I am sure he would spin it as he was released to do his “work”, and his people would be even more brainwashed by this less than a man

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others:

    That is a possibility. “If” it were to happen it would be related to his health, otherwise, he will not be released until mid February 2016. You are absolutely right about the false prophet spinning it to his advantage.

    Where the false prophet weinland ensnared himself was the date of Pentecost occurring in 2019. This false prophet weinland “checkmated” himself on the Nov 8th 2015 date. He had no choice but to “spin” the Nov 2015 date. “If” the false prophet weinland used Pentecost of 2020 he could have covered all of his bases. He screwed up the dates just like he did with the taxes he did not pay to the government for five years. This false prophet “almost” got away with it but messed up on declared income and suspicious activity at the bank. It was my understanding that the bank notified the IRS of the suspicious activity.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to crash and burn false prophet weinland Nov 2015

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    That is a very good point, Helping others. Most do get released early for “good behavior”. They get so many hour / days cut off the sentence, for the number of days served.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron’s scheduled release date next February assumes the maximum legal allowable sentence reduction for good behavior.

    I suspect that if Ron’s health issues could get him out any earlier, he would be doing too poorly to travel and prophesie.

  • Randy says:

    I hope he goes out in a body bag , all the deaths he wished on people and families he wreacked !

  • martin says:

    Since the web site traffic to Ron’s site is so low as to not be registrable, I wonder if that means that PKG members interest is waning?

    (I believe what littler traffic he’s getting is mostly composed of PKG members, but even that seems to be diminishing)

  • Freeatlast says:

    Fooled no more – do you know if PG in Atlanta is still pkg?

  • Randy says:

    The pope is still the man
    No ports blown up
    No 2/3 of veggie destroy
    Christ has not returned when Ron said anytime
    Mike our no one else has died even though they are old ( sorry mike ) he said you would die 10 years ago you still dancing the night a way ?
    Ron is in Fedral prison for prosicution not persacution !
    They spent 3.5 million on personal use !
    The only $500 message is from bubba

  • mirele says:

    Can Ron get out early? It’s entirely possible–if he signs the home confinement paperwork. Basically, it would pretty much be like being locked up at home. He’d have to wear an ankle bracelet and stay within so many feet of a monitoring station hooked up to a plain old telephone line. (No call waiting, no three way, no portable handsets.) There’d be other restrictions as well. This does happen–obnoxious young earth creationist and fellow tax cheat Kent Hovind got out last week on home confinement. His actual probation starts on August 11.

    So yes, this is entirely possible!

  • martin says:

    I actually think him getting out early would be worse for him.

    That is because he really will be without an excuse, being locked in prison till next year will at least give him some excuse.

    If he gets out, and he does nothing and nothing happens would be worse for him.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Here’s an article on the federal law for sentence reduction for good behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time

    Do you have any reliable sources for your claim that he could get out earlier on home confinement?

    Here’s what the Bureau of Prisons website has for Ron:

    RONALD E WEINLAND
    Register Number: 15344-032
    Age: 66
    Race: White
    Sex: Male
    Located at: Terre Haute FCI
    Release Date: 02/17/2016

  • Fooled No More says:

    FreeatLast, drop Mike a line for my email addy……I want to make sure we’re talking about the same person. I think I may know whom you’re talking about.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Went ahead and did a bit of digging on my own. Found this document http://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/7320_001.pdf which describes that an inmate may serve the last 10% of sentence under home confinement.

    God’s most formidible prophet grounded at home? Yeah, right!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Mike:

    Interesting read. BUT, will this false prophet weinland be willing to give up 25% of the monthly tithes his false church receives? The false prophetess may not agree to the loss income and not agree to the release.

  • Helping others says:

    10% of the original 42 months? That would compute back from his original release date or the date with good behavior I wonder, or 4.2 months back from Feb. 17th, that would get him out in October of this year.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    My calculation as well, putting him on home confinement when he again becomes the Spokesman Witness. Guess he can “witness” by writing blog posts and streaming over the internet

  • Helping others says:

    With Ron’s health issues I could see the feds letting him out so the medical bills are on Ron and Laura, oh I mean the tithing members of the church after all it’s their hard earned money, so it would be on them, after all that’s what the tithes are for Ron and Laura to do what they seem fit with them.

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I find it interesting that this blog is already aware of this possibility. No doubt the false prophet weinland has already prepared a new “spin” for this home release.

    The coming post will be interesting and I wonder if anything will be said about the possibility of the home confinement?

  • Helping others says:

    I don’t think he’ll mention it until its fact, then god all mighty set him free to do his work, it will be interesting for sure

  • Randy says:

    Hey asshole
    My potatoes got to much rain this spring ( but everything else is fine) I won’t need my cloth sacks to put them in , I’m such a nice guy I will send them with mom to give to you since your so humble , you can sell your $1700 suits and the money whore can sell all jewelry oh I forgot you wear prison strips , Hahahahaha

  • FedUp says:

    If Ron is released early on home confinement, it won’t impair his ability to do his false prophet thing. He’ll just say that computers, satellites, and the internet are what make it possible for the Two Witnesses to be in Jerusalem without physically being there. He can preach to all the world without leaving his basement. Wonder if he’ll use the “Wayne’s World” theme song? Prophecy time! Excellent!

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Fedup:

    I almost get the impression that this false prophet weinland is like a timex watch: “it just keeps on ticking”.

    The only thing that needs to be known is that the membership will be paying the 25% monthly fee for the home confinement. By the way, isn’t there a substantial fine that this false prophet weinland has to paid at the end of his prison term? The membership will have to pony up on this one too!

  • FedUp says:

    Is it legal to use tithes from a church or nonprofit to pay a person’s penalty for tax fraud or evasion? And if the money is donated to him directly, wouldn’t he have to claim it on his taxes?

    Somebody enlighten me on this.

  • Helping others says:

    Not sure but I would have to think it would not be a legit church expense, he would have to pull it out of his own pocket, which only means he would have to claim the amount as personal income

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Any such assessment would be on his personal income, not the gross income of the church. I imagine he would take a salary reduction for the duration.

    Also he would technically not be released early. He would technically be in the custody of the Bureau of Prisons, serving the remainder of his confinement at home.

    But I expect he will spin it as God’s intervention to get him out of prison early so he can be a Witness.

  • Helping others says:

    Maybe we should see to it that the members of this church know that it is not that uncommon for prisoners to be released this way so Ron cant make a big deal of it, also we should put the date of his release out there so he cant spin as gods will, maybe then it would be tougher for him to get “special offerings” from the brainwashed people of this cult

  • Enough is Enough says:

    Helping Others:

    There are some of pkg that do visit this site for information. By having this information openly discussed will be beneficial to them. I am of the opinion that “if” they understand what they are paying for it may be just the “push” they need to get out of this false prophet weinland’s false church.

    Tick Tock Tick Tock to Nov 2015 crash and burn false false prophet weinland

  • Enough is Enough says:

    I just reviewed the sentence order and this is the following:

    1) three years of supervised release “after serving jail time” –

    2) $500 special assessment and a $7,500 fine “due immediately” –

    3) restitution to the IRS $245,176.00 – I wonder if this has been paid?

    Thank you very much tithers of pkg!

  • martin says:

    Yes, I’m also wondering if any restitution has been paid.

    I’m wondering if the lawyers ever got paid as well.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I expect that the lawyers were paid first.

  • mirele says:

    Mike, for basic information about home confinement, i’d direct you to the following document:

    http://www.bop.gov/resources/pdfs/legal_guide.pdf and go to page 42.

    For a more into the weeds look at home confinement, you can read the Bureau of Prisons program statement on the subject:

    http://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/7320_001.pdf

    “Ordinarily, the length of placement ordinarily is limited to the
    last 10 percent of the inmate’s term to be served, or six months,
    whichever is less.”

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks for the info Mirele. I was able to find one of your links on my own. Will be looking it over.

    In the meantime, Ron has a new posting up which is reposted on this blog for your comments.