Did Not Leave Because of the Coffee

Here is as its own post a comment left earlier this morning.  In the past I have posted copies of such letters without revealing full names, but since Donna chose to leave her full name in the comment it is repeated here.

——————–  Donna’s comment ———————————–

Hi to all,
I have not been on here for awhile as I don’t care for people blaming God for what a man has done. We are all responsible for our own actions. GOD IS ALIVE AND WELL! I read the  post of our latest retiree from PKG. I am so glad that there is still hope for some to come to their senses. I did not leave because of the coffee. I am attaching a copy of the letter I sent directly to Ron and Laura. It is a little lengthy but I think it will let some on this blog see that we left for all  the right reasons. Please read to the end, I know it is long.

This is to the Church of God – PKG.  I am removing myself from the membership of this organization. Reasons are as follows.

Ron and Laura Weinland,

You have  proven to me that you are no longer following  the truths of God that were given to us through the scriptures.  I have been searching the scriptures daily for a time now, trying to prove what you are teaching.  I have found no proof for the words that you speak. You have as of the last few years been giving you own interpretation. 2Peter 2:20  (Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is an any private interpretation. (21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.  The words in the Bible are true and right. You cannot make them fit your agenda.  I have tried now for years to believe what you are still preaching even from your prison cell but not one of your prophecies have been fulfilled.

Read what it tells us in Deuteronomy 18:20-22  But the prophet, which shall presume to speak  a word in my name , which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of others gods, even that prophet shall die.  And if thou say in your heart,  How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaks Sin the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken presumptuously: thou shall  not be afraid of him.

You tell us that when God says we are to turn to the right or left we just do it. Are we not to prove all things?  Yet the Bible tells me in  Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, (meaning is according to the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance) ( the function or the information-doctrine, learning ,teaching ) by the sleight of man, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive. When is the last time you have told the congregation to open their Bibles and prove all things according to scripture.

I do believe that at one time you spoke the truth, but the truth is no longer in you. You are LAODICEAN, it is still the Laodicean Era. There is no other era mentioned in the Bible. Or do you think that God forgot to put that in there for our edification. When did you forget who you were to be serving? You cannot serve two masters.

When you revealed to the church that Laura was the second witness and said you were the spokesman, it tells us in the Bible that they both speak.  Where is it written in scripture? We are to  prove all things. You have lifted yourself up  and yet you tell me how humble you and Laura are. Yet I see nothing but haughtiness and pride in both of you.  There have been so many lies told that Laura and yourself cannot back track fast enough to cover yourself.  Have you read the scriptures lately as to what is to happen to the false prophets. God does not allow it for very long and I think that your time is over. At least I pray that it is. I pray that people will be able to have the scales removed from their eyes while there is still time. You have deceived God’s people for so long and now they have lifted you and Laura up and made you their idol. Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. can be deceived, even you.

You and Johnny keep telling me if I am  digging in the garbage pit I no longer have God’s  Spirit. Well I am digging in the Bible, is that also what you consider the garbage pit. I have been seeking Gods truth and guidance for a couple of years now and this is where He has lead me. I am not just a dumb sheep following what you say is the truth. I am trying to prove  all things. I am now going to have to go back and prove everything that you have taught. When did the lies begin? That is what I am going to have to look for, the beginning.

I have read most of the trial transcripts on line. I do not consider them garbage as they were given by your  daughter and elders in the church, under oath, right? Did they all lie. I have caught Laura in a number of lies just recently but have tried to overlook them . But that is not what we are told to do. When did money become so important to you and your family that you forsook God? Do you realize how you have hurt the body? Those that have given their tithes and offerings with a willing heart.  And yet you have rewarded those that you and Laura PREFER above others. You give money to just certain ones that you feel are worthy, but there some who are hurting and them you leave out. They are not good enough to be part of your circle. God has always blessed me that I have been able to take care of myself, but there are others who really needed the churches help but they were never given any. Yet they follow you and Laura, just stumbling along hoping for a crumb. But they don’t look to God as their source of peace. I told Laura not too long ago that this is not the Church of Ron. I follow God. I have tried to find truth in your teaching but you have become blinded with the money you stole from God for your own gain. I wish that you would repent but I think that you have sold yourself to something different.

Proverbs 6:16 -19  These are six things that the Lord hates. Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue Hands that shed innocent blood
18. A heart that devices wicked plans,  Feet that are swift in running to evil
19. A false witness  who speaks lies  and one who sows discord among the brethren.

I don’t believe that seeking the truth and telling others to open their Bibles is sowing discord. But there is  nothing that one can say that will help someone to open their eyes. I can save no one but myself as we are told.  I do pray for the body as I think they are deceived but that is between them and God. But I think that there is going to be much blood on your hands. You were to be the head of your family but you listened to a woman. And so it all began! PLEASE  PLEASE  repent for the sake of the body. A man is to be leading his family, what has happened to the ministry?

These are the things that I see in you and in the ministry. You told me that my baptism was not legit because the man who baptized me was not a minister in the WWCG. Yet you have woman baptizing and they are not even given the right to speak in church. And I don’t believe that this means a physical place where people worship. You  made women elders so that Laura could collect a pay check. Did you not have enough money at your disposal?  You don’t even counsel for baptizing, were you just  trying to enlarge your numbers.  Was this to make you look good or was it again the money coming in that you and your family squandered on personal pleasure. How much of this do you not want the congregation to know? Is that why you keep threatening the body, is that of God? Do you think He will be pleased with what you have done?

I see where you used the churches money to fund Jeremy’s education. Could I get that to help Ethan further his education. I think that the answer would be no. And yet my son works hard and he would find a job, which is more than what Jeremy has done. As told to me by Laura. Even your daughter is not qualified to do the job she has, it is only because she is family. She is not an accountant. But then an outside accounting firm would not have lied and cheated for you. You would have had to pay your taxes just like I have to do ever year.  Maybe that is where you started to go wrong. Laura talks too much and tells too many stories, each time it has a different twist to it. She is just one of the many gossips in the church, but as I said, just one. Is that not one of the things that God hates? But for her it is okay. And the truth be told, I still love Laura very much. I counted her as a friend but I know she is not sincere. I have heard her talk about so many of the other people in the body. If she is slandering some I know she is doing the same thing with all of us. You have known this for a long time as I know people have brought it to your attention.  You even mentioned it in a sermon at one time. Yet you were not strong enough to rule your own house.

Ron I wonder if you are really that blind or if it is what you choose to believe. I don’t believe that you have the character needed for repentance, at least not that I have ever seen in you, but I hope and pray that you will. Many are called, few are chosen.  There are vessels to honor and some to dishonor. Just as I told Laura that Mr. Tkatch was put in his position in God’s church to do what needed to be done. It was all part of the God’s plan. You know Ron, I have thought on what the Bible tells us about Adam and Eve. Adam was not deceived but he followed his wife. I think the same is true for you. You knew better, but Laura was more important to you than God. Ron, I still love you both as we are commanded but I pray for God to do what He has to do quickly to wake up those that still love God more than they love you and Laura. I pray that you both repent but if not?????

I am still in the body of Christ, as He dwells in me.  Being in a physical organization does not put me in the body.  So says HWA. You have brought shame on the name of God’s church. You carry His name, how do you think He feels? Christ asked if he would find faith when he returns. My faith is in God and His son, NOT in you. You have made the body to believe that their place of safety is in the PKG. Yes, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So ends my relationship with PKG.  Good luck to you in what is to follow.
Donna Kautz


  • martin says:

    Congrats on escaping a false prophet.

    Do you still believe Ron’s doctrine that Christ is a created being?

  • Donna Kautz says:

    Christ is and always has been!!!!! Eternal

  • The Weinlands are going to need more than good luck and things have not been going well for quite awhile.

    Donna, congratulations — we are so happy for you and your new found freedom!

  • bilbo says:

    Hello from Canada! Glad you have left Donna. I think Ron and Laura already know everything you said to them. Their past speech suggests they know exactly what they are doing. They are not likely to be bothered by Deut 18, the way someone who actually believed in God would be.

    As for blessings – apply what Christ taught and actually live that way. The blessings pour out on a person in return. God is with those who love him. I continue to add my voice to vouching that God loves those who love him intensely, and there is nothing to fear from leaving a toxic fake group.

    Martin, you are so obsessed with the doctrinal specifics of what someone believes, why don’t you start a church 😉

  • Randy says:


  • martin says:

    Bilbo…who and what God is, is very important.

    False prophets bring a false god to the people, so unless you know who and what God is, you won’t be able to recognize when a false god is brought before you.

    I would say that if a statue of Dagon was presented before people, they couldn’t be deceived by such nonsense, but look at what the stupid Israelites did.

    They made a gold calf while God WAS RIGHT THERE BEFORE THEM. The mind dazzles at such stupidity.

    Examples of a false god, or as the NT points says “another Jesus”.

    Examples of false gods
    1) Christ is a created being
    2) Christ was married to Mary (Christ was married to nation of Israel, this is why he never married)
    3) Christ was homosexual (yes people believe this, because he never married, which was unusual)

  • bilbo says:

    I didn’t mean to be rude 🙂 I’m in a place where my focus is on weightier matters of the law. If one’s heart and effort is there, in my experience, God is there too. I have not yet have a spiritual teacher that wasn’t in it for some other reason. Right now, no matter how doctrinally consistent or smooth a preacher is, they aren’t selling me any gods. Without love, any and all of those details are so irrelevant they are indeed as filthy rags. I can see what Christ spoke about treating others right and glorifying God, right now my biggest journey is to get better and better at *living that way*. For that reason, I couldn’t care less about the pithy and constantly debated details!

  • martin says:

    It took me 5 minutes to determine that Ronald Weinland was false…..back in 2008ish.

    The Deut. checklist for a false prophet is
    1) They bring a false god
    2) The prophecy they spoke fails to come to pass.
    3) They speak a TRUE prophecy that comes to pass, but bring a false god (#1)

    Ron did #1 and #2.

    Plus when Ron said his wife was one of the Two Witnesses, I went and checked Hebrew and Greek passages that talk about the Two Witnesses to see if they indicate genders, and they do, and it is that they are both males.

    So checking doctrines could have save many PKGers from heartache.

  • bilbo says:

    Well it didn’t take me 5 minutes. Things are just not that simple. Smart people get sucked into cults too. Don’t get me wrong – when red flags the size of circus tents appeared, I was outta there, but I didn’t see those right away. You are absolutely right though. For me it was #2.

  • Acts says:

    Amen. What Donna said is the plain Truth about Ronald Weinland . It is sad because the Weinlands have gone way too far and caused way too much Damage . Now they are vessels of Dishonor and there is no turning back for them .

    When a True Christian ( Follower of Christ ) finds him or herself in one of these situations they have come to a point where they have to make a choice .
    If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

    Ronald and his wife have caused many to sin! They have Blasphemed God’s name with their Foolishness , and cause Apostasy from the truth of Jesus Christ .

  • martin says:

    “I didn’t see those right away. You are absolutely right though. For me it was #2.”

    You applied the Deut. checklist! So doctrine is important!


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is an easy test to determine whether someone is a criminally pathological liar, proven fraud, convict, and multiple false prophet with no conscience.

    Is their name Ronald Weinland?

  • bilbo says:

    Haha yes you got me. God gave enough information to recognize when one is being taken for a ride. 🙂

  • bilbo says:

    Avalo – psychics, astrologers, and these types of pastors, run businesses where they legitimately believe they are helping some simple folk get through life.

    I think the pastors are dirtier than the astrologers and psychics, at least the latter print the legally obligatory “for entertainment purposes” on their, uh, “prophecies”.

    Nothing really mysterious anymore about what PKG is.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is another test:

    I am an atheist who has NEVER (1) been convicted of any crime, (2) stolen tithes from widows (3) falsely prophesied (4) lied on my children’s marriage certificates, (5) gone back on my word, (6) bought BMWs with money meant to preach/spread the word of God, all of which Ron has done and a whole lot more.

    HOW can I be MORE moral/ethical than the Chosen End Time Prophet of “God?” I can’t… if the Chosen One is TRUE.

    I can if the Chosen One is a liar and criminal…

    Weinland is less spiritual than an overflowing toilet… the toilet never went to jail for fraud or falsely prophesied… yet they both full of the same stuff…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Psychics are FRAUDS too, they learn how to cold read people and their victims always inadvertently give away their background through their answers.

    I had a psychis one time in front of a large crowd tell me about my past and she got it 100% wrong. When I called her on it, she said I was lying!! My background is 100% German on both sides, in Germany (DOCUMENTED to the 16th century). She said my grandmother was Argentinian by way of being born in Spain and emigrating, going back a generation!!

    She adamantly told me I was lying, and wouldn’t talk to me afterwards! LOL! At least she didn’t demand any tithes for her falsehoods….

    It takes gullible people to keep all these frauds active… if IQs suddenly rose 30 points ALL of them would be out of business.

    Only a drooling dumba$$ would think Weinland or Bob Thiel knew anything about anything….

  • martin says:

    Ron at one point….goes into the Deut passages and tries to over-ride what God said.

    Ron basically claimed that even though the prophecy failed (I think this was in reference to the ports being nuked), that he didn’t speak presumptuously.

    God said one thing, Ron said another, the PKGers believed Ron over God. What a shame.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Donna, I could not have said it better myself! Hopefully our letters to what’s happening with PKG will prompt others to take a long hard look at themselves, and make the choice (as tough as it is) to break free. I’m certainly glad that I did, and really hope that many others I know that remain will do so.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Whether you left to go to another COG or you left because of Ron’s failed prophesies is up to the individual. I didn’t write a letter because it would have fallen on deaf ears. Ron made it clear how he felt about anyone not in agreement. I listened as people just took whatever Ron and Laura said about a person leaving as gospel. I’m sure they said I was never really part of it, or wanted my own way or perhaps didn’t like the coffee, who knows, and who cares? Church people gossip about people still in the church so what does it matter after you leave? I was so happy to be out I didn’t care what excuse they came up with. You could pick any number of reasons to leave and they would ALL be legitimate. He’s a liar, a cheat, and he preaches things that do not come to pass. He lied when he said he would admit he was wrong. Well, I took him at face value and expected him to come forth with his failings. I BELIEVED he would do it if he was wrong. He lied.He did EXACTLY what he said he wouldn’t do and said he would be a FALSE PROPHET if he he did. I BELIEVED HIM. That’s why I left. Out of his OWN MOUTH he said he was a false prophet. Does the audio need posting again? I can’t fathom why more people aren’t running for the door! Whether you leave to go back to your old life, or leave to be with other Sabbath keepers, or just be a Lone Ranger like Biker Bob, you should not stay in a false place. You don’t do yourself any favors just going along with Ron. He isn’t headed anywhere good and MAY actually be headed for trouble. Is he the man you want to stand before God with? He didn’t just lie to us, HE LIED RIGHT TO GODS FACE! Such is the hubris of the man! He simply does not see a problem here! At some point , more people will wake up, but at this point they’re fearful of what they will do after. Ron made such fun of people leaving over the years. People are going to have to use spiritual muscles they haven’t used in a long time. This is where prayer and common sense will come in handy.

  • martin says:

    “Out of his OWN MOUTH he said he was a false prophet. Does the audio need posting again? I can’t fathom why more people aren’t running for the door!”

    Can I get an amen?

  • Acts says:

    “Simple Answer” )

  • Acts says:

    “Just to be real Candid with you” 😀

  • Ozymandias says:

    These people are lost in a jungle of lies and deceit. They will not see clearly until they find their way out. Only then do you get a real and true picture of PKG and churches like them. I will not just single Ron out, he’s cut from the same cloth as the rest of the lying , money grubbing ministers out there. My family left WWCG because of false teachings and corruption. We went from the frying pan into the fire, but didn’t realize it because our intentions were to have a relationship with God. We finally realized , you really don’t need a church to do this. The fellowship can be good, but even then, a church like Ron’s is filled with gossips. I hope people find places that fill them with inner peace, but keep your eyes and ears open, they all seem to be alike in the end. Only God and Christ are true and faithful, and you don’t need an organization to have a relationship with them. I have my family and I’m fortunate there, I know some are alone. Remember though there are ALWAYS others who think as you do. God is true, and will not leave us. THIS is something no minister, worldly or COGS can take away.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Like he’s ever candid.

  • Randy says:

    Somebody got to do the dirty work and I have no problem, Ron should have made Laura and Audria Witches instead of Proghets !!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Like he’s ever candid.”

    He was candid here.

  • Acts says:


  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    It’s about the paycheck.

  • martin says:

    Outside of the initial Google ad costs, which I’m not sure of how much that was, I think it was around a million (does anybody know?)

    ALL THE MONEY, except for a tiny percent, perhaps 1% for website maintenance, was used to fuel their lusts for fancy travel, cars, and goods.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I believe that Weinland did indeed spend most of the money on “church expenses” such as Google ads and publishing his vanity book and distributing it.

    At the sentencing hearing, the judge agreed with Ron’s lawyers that this was true, but said that it was part of his deception to cover the money he did take without paying taxes.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I finally came to believe that everything Ron did, such as ordaining women, had a underlying meaning. Ordain women, knowing it would go to their head. Give them a paper to frame saying they were found worthy. All of it , so he could elevate Laura , Audra and Jeremy when the time came. Pick your closest friends and confidants. Surround yourself with ” yes men” to justify the wrong things you do.

  • Acts says:

    Speaking of the “Paycheck” I see Laura has found a new Traveling buddy .

    Guess it is a case of ; keep your friends close but your big Tithers Closer, eh Don Ron ?


  • Acts says:

    2 Peter 2:3
    And by greed and fictitious accounts they will make profit among you, these whose judgment from the first has not been idle and their destruction does not sleep.

  • Byker Bob says:

    I had a customer ask me on Friday if I were a religious person. It seems my customer is dating a Christian lady, and has been attracted to her beliefs as well as the lady herself. For the past four weeks, he has been attending church with her, and has been favorably impressed with what he has learned. I answered affirmatively, and in the ensuing conversation, I shared with him that I had been a campus radical in the 1960s, who had gotten expelled from my ministerial studies at theology school for being too rowdy. I further explained that I later discovered that that church had been a false church, because they had promised a personal appearance for Jesus in 1975, without actually checking with our Savior first, and that 25 years of atheism and agnosticism had largely been caused by this church’s false teachings and bad fruits.

    I am looking forward to more conversations with this gentleman, although I made it clear that I don’t preach it, I just try to live it. I do intend to share with him that what brought me back was that my son, whom I had raised as an atheist, and who had beome a career criminal, went on to turn his entire life around due to his discovery of, and belief in Jesus Christ. Due to this, my son has graduated from college, has gotten married, has a wonderful little daughter, and has his own very prosperous business. This was someone who previously had had a life expectancy of perhaps 1-6 months of freedom on the streets each time he was released from prison or jail, before reoffending. I darned near got dragged into his whole mess myself, by going undercover with the people he had been hanging around with just to find out who had caused it. My son actually yelled at me over this while I was visiting him in county jail. I had also made my best efforts to get him into quality programs and halfway houses, but my efforts went nowhere. Jesus did what I could not do, and I had to acknowledge that as fact. Having witnessed the dramatic change, how could I not be indebted to the One who made it possible?


  • Randy says:

    I think they all start honest, but money ,power and people pushing there ego’s make them think they are on top and better than everyone else !

  • Randy says:

    And they will use any excuse not to fail , and keep money coming in !!!

  • Randy says:

    Joel, Ron and Jim and all the million they made , and Christ road on a donkey in sandals and a cloth sacks that’s humble and the all ask what would Jesus do ?

  • Randy says:

    It’s the word not the money !!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Randy, we were all guilty of stroking Ron’s mighty ego. We hung on his every word. I don’t know that we caused any of his problems but every performer needs an audience . We certainly didn’t help.

  • Goneandforgotten says:

    I could not care less WHY a person leaves a cult, any cult. I don’t care if you worship a golden calf, a rock or a woman. You freed yourself and I am positively thrilled. Too much talk has been centered around doctrine. We need to embrace those escaping, they need to be protected and encouraged to continue thinking freely without fear. This may be one of my last posts here. I wish everyone well but I cannot continue to listen to the splitting of hairs.

    Donna, congratulations! You are well spoken and have penned a letter I wish I had written! Cheers!


  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I also am weary of the hair-splitting and doctrinal arguments. I’m not aware of _anyone_ who left Ron over any doctrinal points such as the origin of Christ or the gender of the two witnesses. They are not going to be compelled by any arguments — and if I’m wrong on that you’ll have to prove it on another forum.

    No more preaching!!!!

  • New_Guy says:

    Congrats on leaving! It’s been a long time since I’ve been on this blog. Which is very good because it means I’m not thinking about Ron and the COG anymore. However, a few months back I was at a trade show in Ohio. I was about an hour from Ron and Laura’s home and strongly considered taking a road trip to visit their house. I really wanted to stop over and take a Sh*t on their front step. I figured for all the crap they dish out, it might be nice to give some back. Well anyways, I took the high road and did not go visit them. Maybe once Ron is out I’ll have to visit that trade show again…

  • Ronco says:

    Could it be that a ‘falling away’ of Biblical proportions is going on in Ron’s church???

    Enjoy your freedom, Donna!

    Hopefully, when Ron gets out of jail there will be nothing to come back to but the local soup kitchen…

  • Swooncologne says:

    Let God do whatever is right and just to them..as much money he has swindled from the young and old the most valuable he has robbed many of is their faith I do not think this family will live out the rest of their days in peace ,nor do I think a ocean can separate them from the karma that is about to eat them alive.

  • FedUp says:

    Byker Bob,

    Wonderful story! That’s what the Gospel was meant to do–change lives for the better. So happy for you and your son!


    Glad you’re out! Now you can actually enjoy your relationship with God without the attempted interference of false prophets.

  • Byker Bob did address what is important. Confused may strike a responsive chord with some here.

    People sometimes do leave because of doctrine, but it’s getting to be very rare in this venue because the social values are much more highly prized and generally people have to have something major in a personal way to change their minds with experiences either they have had or someone close to them.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    There may indeed be some who have left PKG over points of doctrine.

    But those would have left long ago, when Weinland rolled out major deviations such as his origin of Christ doctrine.

    I seriously doubt that any will leave PKG due to Martin’s sermonizing. More likely is that his sermonizing will cause ex-PKG members to leave this blog and whatever benefits they could derive from contact with others in their recovery process.

    So Martin, you are on notice: cut it out!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    DB, I agree.It could be because people are unsure of doctrine. They wait to be spoon fed the newest and latest. It’s only when someone crosses the line with something personal that they wake up and start discovering things aren’t what they should be. I don’t think people trust themselves to look into things, even if they have doubt. They have done this so many times at this point , they are content to stay put if they have friends there. If they begin to question, they would then have to take action. This is what happened to me at least. The moment I had unanswered questions I knew I was at a crossroads.

  • Fooled No More says:

    Ozymandias, that’s exactly the point I had reached. I did start having doubts as to why I was struggling health and financial wise, while others at the very top were “living large”. I’m not a person that has class envy by any means, but when you’re seeing the very head of the church doing and saying things that don’t seem right, logic should kick in and one needs to start asking themselves some hard questions.

    True, there are many people that I made friends with in PKG over the years, but my own mental, physical, and financial health outweighs any “friendships” that I have, especially when those friendships are based on believing in falsehoods——-ie: Ron’s failed prophecies and felony convictions.

    As I mentioned in my letter to Mike……..I’ve been down this road before, and don’t intend to hang on and HOPE something will change.

    I simply decided to get out while the gettin’ was good!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Donna, if you don’t mind sharing, how long ago did you send the letter to The Weinlands? Your name sounds familiar, and I seem to recall it being mentioned in passing at Sabbath services a bit ago.

  • After all that is said and done, the measure of a false prophet is not doctrines, silly ideas or even failed prophecies: The measure of a false prophet is how much harm he has done to innocent people.

  • juror bags says:

    Howdy all! Glad to see the scam artists were mailed such a truthful and scathing letter from Donna. Bet that went over real well when the Money grubbing God Queen opened that puppy up. I also commend Bill for taking a proper stand and deciding to take care of his dental problem instead of sending the Weinscums shopping money. You two take care of yourselves first instead of donating to a scam.

    Ron, Laura, and their two WORTHLESS adult kids are ONLY in this circus for the cash. Plain and simple. It was so blatantly evident and proven in court it was ridiculous. These predators do not care about ANYONE but themselves and their plush lifestyles afforded from God’s tithe money deceptively stolen from others thru lies and manipulation.

    The 2019 date is not going to happen either. It is just another string and cheese act to keep the tithing mice strung along for another disappointment and to continue to supply spending cash for the Weinland Luxury Fund they all four enjoy so much. Money is ALL that they care about and are concerned with. They could care less what happens to any followers. They just want your money. FACT!

    Something that struck me is that Bill with his $2,800 dental needs would be an insignificant drop in the bucket for the PKG “church” > (aka: the Weinlands checking account) for some help but the GREEDY Weinlands DO NOT share their cash. They blow more than that on silly personal pleasures in a heart beat without a thought about chump change like that.

    Bill, sad to say the Weinlands value their dead dog more than any suffering human being. They spent silly money on vet bills as shown in court. No one gets ANY PKG charity unless you are one of the Weinscums or one of their dead beat, stupid, non-working adult kids. So any and ALL of you are out of luck for ANY “church” charity there.

    You all wonder why I always put quotations around their “church?” It is because IT IS NOT a church but a scam operating under the guise of a church and strictly a means for Ron and family to extort money from others in the phony ploy of it in the name of God.

    These predatory, lying, conniving, scammmers are strictly in business to make THEMSELVES money at others expense in more ways than one. They are the GREEDIEST losers I have ever been aware of. Bill and others like him that could use some help will NEVER get any from such GREEDY SCUMS. They were so greedy after soaking millions ($4.5 million from 2004-2008) while they had this cash in their controlled accounts they also screwed the IRS for REFUNDS each of those years. All of the Weinlands got refunds from the US tax payers while they sat on millions in their personal accounts and spent lavishly while they constantly vacationed around the world to spent and blow even MORE money on themselves.

    As for the Google Ads and Ron’s egotistical books they did not cost anything near $4.5 million all said and done. I will say this again. In some shape or form much, much of the said money the Weinlands all benefitted from. Way more than what was anything close to a “church” related expense. The prosecution lead onto this but the trial would have lasted for months to expose everything. The prosecution let them slide on so much it wasn’t funny. They already had overwhelming evidence and proof what and how the tithe cash was really used for. The Weinscums all got off easy. They should ALL be in prison for a very, very long time in all reality. The burden of proof, research, and time costs the government a lot of money and I feel they wanted to keep it short and sweet on these dirty PIGS.

  • juror bags says:

    It is great to see more victims leave. Ron and Laura are nothing. Nothing at all. They are thieves and con-artists. They are in this strictly for a plush living for themselves and if you think they have any good intentions or are in it for ANYTHING other than lining their bank account you are fooling yourselves. FACT.

    Look at the lives and families and marriages they have destroyed without a thought just so they can make a lot of money. IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! And they do not care what they have to destroy to get that cash. FACT. Proven repeatedly.

    These scumbags have no problem tearing loved ones apart for their love of money. Yeah, OK. And people support such behavior by sending them tithes. God likes that a bunch…….NOT! I am convinved Ron, Laura, and Audrass would reach into the pocket of a dying man and take out his last few dollars because they need it more than him or his poor widow.

    The slimming up P.O. Box might benefit the 5 star diners. Between Laura and Audra they had enough rear end for a cheer leading squad split about 12 ways. When they went on and on about them and their Victoria’s Secret undies I wanted to puke. That was about as wrong as what the Weinscums do in their theft and misuse of God’s tithes. GROSS!!!!! YUK!

    When is the last time those vain wenches looked into a mirror and saw what others see? Obviously their grandiose egos do some serious reflective lying. Disgusting PIGS! Oink, Oink! Go eat some more Laurdass! You and your mini-me Audrass have some serious mental issues. Not sure what reality you PIGS live in…….. Have a nice life, SKANKS! Ronnie Boy will probably be interested in dresses too by the time he springs the Pokey. Then you three gals could become a shopping trio instead of a clapped out duo.

  • Randy says:

    My man Bags !!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 you where there and know the facts !!!!!

  • Fooled No More says:

    Juror Bags, you literally had me bursting out laughing!! I needed a hard laugh today! 😀

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Missed you Juror Bags. Been a long time since you contributed to this site. Glad you’r still around.

    As for us that contribute on this site. We should not be causing conflict between us. Remember that people from PKG read this site also. We should be united, against Ron and his nonsense.

  • juror bags says:

    I’ve been extremely busy and working out of town a lot but will remain to ride these crooks into the dirt. My travel lap top died and I decided to take a technology break for a few.

    The Swinelands are such a ridiculous farse it is beyond reason. I understand how people can get caught up in the twisted lies. That’s what ticks me off so much about these criminals. Innocent people trying to do the right thing not realizing they are being ripped off and lied to simply so the Weinscums can laugh their way to the P.O. Box and the bank.

    Yeah it cracked me up too the way Laurdo and Audrass thought they were some type of beauty queens and they and Rotten Ronnie were something special. Little did they know everyone else in the court room thought the were despicable jokes. Ron thought he was slick and so special with his overflowing ego. Then McBride the prosecutor made him look just like the jackass he is repeatedly.

    Pretty bad a “prophet” was able to be played like a poker chip in short order. McBride really made almighty Ron look like a clown. Funny stuff! The prosecutors showed everyone there exactly what kind of a $$$ profit $$$ the bald headed alien was. Lying Lunatic! That joker is a first class con man. He needs to have his own show on the American Greed series. That jack wagon isn’t playing with a full deck noe is his brain hitting on all cylinders.

  • Acts says:


    John 8:44 – You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


    Deuteronomy 18:20 – But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

    Post – God’s Time
    June 15 2012
    “Yes, the “Day of the Lord” is a year in actual length. May 27, 2012, was the beginning of the “Day of the Lord” when Jesus Christ will return on the final day of Pentecost 2013.
    This “day” is about Christ’s second coming and all that will build up to that climactic event when he returns on Pentecost 2013.”

    For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, he has also rejected you!

  • Acts says:

    July 17 2014
    “As God’s end-time apostle and prophet, I am now going to begin proclaiming a third date for the expected coming of Jesus Christ. At this time, this is obviously only for the Church. ”

    Matthew 24
    11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

    42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    July 17 2014
    “Since Pentecost of 2012, God has poured out upon us vast amounts of new, clarified, and needful knowledge, which has made it possible to teach and proclaim an incredibly beautiful, inspiring, and truly the clearest picture ever of what God has designed, purposed, and is now more fully bringing to pass concerning His Son, Jesus Christ, coming on Pentecost of 2019. ”

    Ezekiel 13:7
    Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The LORD declares,” though I have not spoken?

    7 years Ronald , what have you learned ?

    God is going to destroy you .

  • J says:

    When did money become so important to you and your family that you forsook God?

    Since at least February 5, 2000 when he kicked out the church board, took sole control of the church finances, and disfellowshipped anyone who didn’t agree with him.

  • Acts says:

    He will cut him to pieces and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  • The problem seems to be that Weinland doesn’t have the Qualifications to be a minister.

  • Randy says:

    I don’t think he as the qualifications to be an low down convicted asshole ! He is a theif, lier, and a false prophet he is a punk and his bitch is a lieing Gossipping money stealing bitch , All you Pkg members are paying for Audria and husband plane trip home ! What great Proghets they prophetsized nothing keep sending money they love the rich and famous life style !!! My Mom is going down to spend 4-5 days with Laura this week so all your ears are going to be burning !!!

  • Randy, that’s disgusting!

    I knew a gossip at work. It was actually the first such one I had encountered and would not have realized what Laura was like if I did not know her.

    She seemed brilliant and “in the know” about everyone and everything. She seemed fascinating with her patter, sating curiosity of what was going on.

    It didn’t take long though to figure out her limits: She had significant holes in any real knowledge: She took bits and pieces of things and extrapolated them into reasonable sounding scenarios fabricated from a whole cloth of a high flow of ideas which, when you checked them out, seemed to be from some alternate reality.

    Undoubtedly, Laura is fabricating wild stories tuned to your mother to confuse your mother and turn her against anyone who could actually help her. Your mother likely finds Laura’s wild imaginative stories appealing while undermining your mother in ways she cannot begin to see.

    Here’s hoping that after all that is said, your mother will realize that there is actually a reason Ronald Weinland is in prison and it’s not persecution, it’s prosecution.

    The only way to battle this gossiping battleax is with truth and facts.

    I’m truly sorry for you as the lard laden snake poisons your mother — but hope that it will all eventually backfire on this false prophetess spewing toxic waste from the wrong end of her body.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    New nonsense from our Apostle and Prophet, now reposted on this blog.