A Heightened Dedication Part 2

A little delay reposting this, early Thanksgiving dinner with friends.  A lecture on psuedo-spirituality from an expert on the topic for your perusal and commenting.  Be sure to take your irony supplements before reading.

———-Weinland’s Post ——————–

From the beginning, God’s desire for how people should live the life that was given to them was revealed in basic instruction to the first two who were created; however, God knew that mankind would not choose Him, but would instead choose their own selfish ways.

God’s plan was to propagate the earth over six millennia and allow people to choose their own ways and live by “the fruit” it would produce. Every religion, every government, and every economic system mankind has established has failed. Someone who reads this might say, “Yes, but today there are those that are succeeding.” Such individuals simply do not understand or see that these man-made systems are all on a countdown to failure within the next 4 ½ years, and some much sooner.

So God’s plan was to propagate the earth during the long span of 6,000 years. For those who would live within that span of time, God’s plan included giving these same people “another period of time” in which to live life again. Then, in that additional period of life, they would be granted the opportunity and the ability (means) to choose and then live by the way God desired for them from the beginning. We are now transitioning from that 6,000-year period of mankind’s selfish focus and way of living to that time when God’s intervening power, to change that horrible self-destructive course, begins to be poured out to everyone in the world.

It was pointed out in the first part of this series that this transitioning begins first in the Church. That is because this kind of change requires the begettal of God’s spirit in one’s life in order to make this necessary transition from a totally selfish nature to one that is able to develop true qualities of the “way of give” and unselfish love. One of the major changes mentioned in the last post is to bring mankind back to the original purpose God desired and has intended for the role of women in family, society, and His family.

Now, we are addressing the next great step of this accelerated transformation process that God is granting in order to bring mankind back to the intended purpose of His instruction contained in the phrase to “dress it and keep it.” This is about the need, understanding, and means (ability) to accept true personal responsibility for what God places under (within) each person’s actual control. Within the Church, this can now become enhanced and strengthened to a much higher plane.

The Garden of Eden
In the first few chapters of Genesis, God’s ultimate purpose for the creation of mankind, along with the original instruction and its actual intended meaning, is highly condensed and simplified into basic, physical terms. As an example, God’s use of the term Elohim – the God Family – from that beginning section of scripture only began to be revealed in these last days starting through Herbert W. Armstrong and then even more fully in recent years. In addition, it was also mentioned in Part 1 how God began to reveal the deeper meaning of “the two trees in the garden” through Mr. Armstrong.

All of that greater understanding and insight has led to God now revealing even far more about other matters He had recorded in those initial chapters of Genesis. God is giving this process of revelation during this period of accelerated transition from one age into another because it is necessary for the establishing of His Kingdom from the very beginning of the Millennium.

In regards to the Garden of Eden, God told Adam and Eve to “dress it and keep it.” What does this actually mean? What is God’s intended purpose in such instruction?

When most people think of a garden, they tend to think of a small plot of land where vegetables, herbs, and some grain-producing plants may be grown. Some may also include grapes and fruit trees as part of a garden. However, this expression concerning God’s garden is massively broader than this in meaning and purpose.

This Garden of Eden was not about the care of a typical modern garden on a simple plot of land. Its meaning, scope, and purpose was far broader. It was all-inclusive of everything that was created and placed into this environment of God’s garden for mankind, with the exception of Satan who was also there. It even included the presence of God Himself, of whose garden this was.

This garden was about far more than just physical plants, trees, fruits, and vegetables. It was about God’s very purpose in the creation of mankind and of how that purpose could become a reality – how that purpose could be lived. It was about what God was planting.

Scriptures speak of God planting Judah, Israel, nations, and kingdoms. They speak of God planting His vineyard, which is not a reference to growing grapes, but is in reference to what Christ spoke of in the Book of John.

“I am the true vine (which God planted), and my Father is the husbandman (the one who plants, grows, and tends to the vineyard)” (Jn. 15:1). In speaking of the Church, Christ went on to say, “I am the vine, and you are the branches” (vs. 5).

God put within the Garden of Eden everything necessary, concerning what He had purposed for the development, growth, and further creation of the most important part of His entire creation – Elohim. So God put – planted – mankind in the Garden of Eden. After God instructed mankind to partake of the “tree of life” and never to partake of the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” He followed this by giving awesomely important and necessary (highly needed) instruction concerning all that He had placed in this garden.

God gave “personal responsibility” to mankind for what He had created, and for what He had given to them, and He placed it within their own personal control. They were to “dress and keep” everything in God’s garden, with one exception. They were first instructed to have nothing to do with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They had been told to reject the “way of Satan” and to eat of the “way of God” only. That is the true purpose and meaning contained in the instruction about the two trees in the midst of this garden. A physical reality was given to teach a spiritual reality.

Keep It
When God gave instruction concerning His garden, what does it mean concerning one’s responsibility to “keep it?” To help one begin to understand this, it is needful to see how this is used in scripture. The Hebrew word that is translated here as “keep” in English is also translated as “observe, take heed, and beware.” It literally means, “to hedge about (as with thorns),” with a purpose to protect and/or guard.

Within the Ten Commandments it states, “And showing mercy unto thousands of them who love me and keep my commandments” (Ex. 20:6).

The commandment for the Sabbath in Deuteronomy 5:12 is stated in this manner: “Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Eternal your God has commanded you.”

Toward the end of journeying 40 years in the wilderness, Moses gave instruction concerning the reading of the law: “Gather the people together of the men, women, children, and the stranger who is within your gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Eternal your God and observe to do all the words of the law” (Deut. 31:12).

There is another verse that carries great importance concerning true acceptance of personal responsibility and of God’s purpose for what we are to “keep.” In this case, the word is again translated as “observe.” It reveals the kind of responsibility and desire that all parents should have and then exercise toward their children, who belong to God, but who are in a parent’s direct care from the time of birth until they begin entering adulthood.

“And he said unto them, set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which you shall command your children to observe to do all the words of this law” (Deut. 32:46). A child does not receive God’s ways through osmosis or at some sudden moment in time once they begin entering adulthood. For those in God’s Church to learn God’s way of life, children must be guided, led, given a right example to follow, corrected, and trained in God’s way of life. Then in time, it will become a matter of their own choice to live it or not.

Another use of this Hebrew word is stated in the following manner, “Beware that you do not forget the Eternal your God, in keeping His commandments, and His judgments, and His statutes, which I command you this day” (Deut. 8:11).

So when God gives instruction concerning His garden and what He has placed within it, it should be clear that this is about a lot more than just tending to some physical plants on a small plot of land. It certainly applies to physical matters, as will be covered later in this series, but its true context and instruction is far more about how we live life in the decisions and judgments we make, which are to be based fully on God’s ways and not on our own way or the way of others.

Dress It
Again, when God gave instruction concerning His garden, what does it mean concerning one’s responsibility to “dress it?” Knowing the meaning of the Hebrew word that is translated as “dress,” and seeing how it is also used in other areas of scripture, can help you to better understand God’s instruction here.

The Hebrew word translated as “dress” simply means “to work, to serve (as being bound in servitude), to labor.”

When the children of Israel were no longer going to be supplied with the straw necessary for producing bricks during their enslavement in Egypt, this is what they were told: “Now go therefore and work, for there will be no straw given to you, but you shall (continue to) deliver the total requirement of bricks” (Ex. 5:18).

Once again we also find that this word is also used in the midst of the Ten Commandments: “Six days shall you labor, and do all your work” (Ex. 20:9).

A very meaningful place where this is also used in relationship to the subject at hand concerning our acceptance of a heightened dedication and the exercising of greater personal responsibility in life, is what is found in what was stated to the Levites about their service in the tabernacle.

“Take the sum of the sons of Kohath from among the sons of Levi, after their families, by the house of their fathers, from thirty years old and upward, even until fifty years old, all who enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation” (Num. 4:2-3).

“These were those who were numbered of the families of the Kohathites, all who might do service in the tabernacle of the congregation, whom Moses and Aaron did number according to the commandment of the Eternal by the hand of Moses” (Num. 4:37).

“And after that shall the Levites go in to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and you shall cleanse them, and offer them for an offering” (Num. 8:15).

“And I, behold, I have taken your brothers the Levites from among the children of Israel. To you they are given as a gift for the Lord, to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation” (Num. 18:6).

So once again, when God gave instruction concerning His Garden, and what He placed within it, that they were to “dress it and keep it,” there is far more purpose and meaning than the simple care of a small plot of ground.

It should become clear that mankind was charged with guarding, protecting, and keeping what God had given – what He had placed in His garden. Such a charge and the ability to fulfill it requires work (labor), along with a keen focus on service, dedication, and agreement with God in doing so. This is key to grasping right motive and intent in how we conduct (live) our life.

The question must then be answered, “Is what one lives a matter of such focus, dedication, and agreement with God?” Are the decisions and judgments one makes in life based on guarding and protecting “the way” God has given or are they about guarding and protecting “one’s own way?” On which does one focus and live life? On which does one focus and expend one’s energy, efforts, and actual labor?

Pseudo-Spirituality
From the beginning of the Genesis account, God repaired, restructured, and rejuvenated the earth as He began to create new life to exist on it. His primary purpose was to create mankind, and in doing so, He created the environment that was necessary for mankind to propagate, and He also provided the means whereby the creation of Elohim could follow.

From that beginning, it was necessary that God reveal to (instruct) mankind how to live the kind of life that would produce abundance, happiness, richness, blessings, and every fullness life can potentially offer. Living such a life could then lead to that which would become far greater – to becoming part of Elohim.

As we have been delving deeper into the truer meaning and purpose of God’s instruction for His garden, “to dress it and keep it,” the tendency of some might be one of wanting to quickly jump ahead to the “spiritual.” It might be one of thinking that a person can somehow suddenly become “more spiritual” by learning the long-hidden meaning contained in God’s word.

However, growing spiritually does not happen in such a manner. To approach these revelations as though one suddenly becomes “more spiritual” through the knowledge and insight God is granting is to approach this in a Protestant manner. Such a manner can involve the human desire to “feel better” about oneself or it can be the desire to project “being spiritual” to others by how one discusses the subject at hand.

That is the kind of manner in which the Protestant world approaches God’s word. They like to talk a lot about Christ, but do not strive to live by the truth he taught, which is more about a person having the “feel good about myself” attitude that seeks to project an image of being good rather than of actually striving to live good. It is like those who desire to be seen by others as being spiritual or elevated in importance. This is often done in an outward show, as through outward prayers, or by some method of communicating that one is fasting, or in feeling compelled to share with others verbally or through writing about one’s own knowledge or insights into spiritual matters they “see.” This is also apparent in the instance of a person who wants to be seen, or recognized, for any “service” they do for others or toward God.

These things are simply a part of human nature, and because they are, they exist in God’s Church. It is the reality of an ugly part of selfish human nature that strives, or works to “project” a perceived form of spirituality rather than actually “living” what is spiritual.

If one has been in God’s Church for any length of time, then they have seen the ugliness and awkwardness of pseudo-spirituality. It has been projected in prayers at Sabbath services, or at some Church function where someone uses the occasion to wax eloquent, and/or as an opportunity to teach and show-off one’s spiritual depth and insight. This false spirituality is too often manifested in email communications (or other electronic media) as an individual presses their own view upon others of what “they see” that God is revealing to His Church or of what they conjure up that they want others to believe that God is doing that is special in their own life. This generally means that such a person is focused more upon sharing their own insight with others rather than sharing the excitement of the true insight that God is granting His people.

Also, a false spirituality can be easily projected by someone who is ordained if the use (actually the misuse) of the office is to lift up oneself in importance – to be seen by others as important. However, what becomes even more dangerous is when someone who is ordained not only wants to project such importance of themselves to others, but also actually begins to believe and act as though they truly are important. Such attitudes then result in the abuse of authority where one sees him or herself as spiritually superior to others, and they desire that others see that authority, which is exhibiting loftiness or being haughty. Within such a spirit, one can go beyond their ordained responsibilities and take to themselves the exercise of functions that are not theirs to perform. This can be done by inserting oneself into another member’s life by giving advise, personal counsel, or opinion on teachings which does not fall within the scope of their duties, but are instead the responsibility of someone who is over them.

When such a thing happens within the ministry, this often leads such a person to believe their way of administering matters within the Church is better than the way they are being shown by those over them in God’s government. Such attitudes and actions that follow are highly dangerous within the Body of Christ and they are a spirit of rebellion, which God declares is worse than witchcraft.

True Motivation – Yielding to God’s Spirit
The source for one’s judgment and decision-making determines the “actual motive” for any action that follows. This will determine whether a person is yielding to God’s word, wisdom, and judgment or whether someone is deciding for themselves what is best for them – what is right and what is wrong. If God is not the source for a judgment and decision in life, then any choice that follows will always be based on selfishness. The motive is then selfish in nature. Only when fully yielding to God and acting upon His judgment in a matter can the motive be sanctified and righteous. It is only in that kind of environment when someone is fully yielding to God’s way that God’s spirit can then work in and through a person to produce truly unselfish acts or works in life.

Pseudo-spirituality is a matter of the source of one’s motive being strictly about self and that of elevating self in some manner which is simply an act of pride and vanity. Such spirituality is more about justifying one’s own true condition than it is of actually doing (working at) and living what God instructs, teaches, and reveals.

True spiritual growth develops through the exercise of right motives and requires work while truly yielding to God’s spirit. Such transformation is a matter of faith, agreement, reliance, and trust in God’s way, which is the only source for true motives in life. Such work must be seen as a matter of one’s relationship to God where what one does is done so in an attitude of “true service” to God’s purpose in our lives – work dedicated to God. It is work that we should desire to always exercise (live) in our life – work we should always esteem, keep, and hold fast. One must embrace such a focus and then exercise a complete yielding to work according to God’s way, and in doing so, seek to guard and protect His way from our ways or from the ways of others.

By yielding to such work, our motivation will become transformed into one of more fully elevating God and His ways, to honoring God, and to more fully dedicating our life to His purpose. That is just the opposite of giving into our own way or the way of others. It is the opposite of selfishness and selfish motivation. It is the opposite of pseudo-spirituality. Work dedicated to God’s purpose is work that results from making judgments and decisions that are in agreement with how God shows us to live. Choosing to live by such agreement rather than what “seems right” to us is the way that produces true motivation in one’s life.

So, all that God is currently revealing to us does not automatically thrust us into becoming more spiritual because of new-found knowledge and understanding. Instead, it requires a response in our life as a result of that new knowledge that is then followed by far better work – work that will produce a greater and truer spiritual condition and state in one’s life. And that process begins in some of the simplest, smallest, and easily overlooked areas of one’s physical life. Much of the actual healing of our minds and the spiritual transformation we are able to grow in depends on how we address many of those things that are considered to be the “small things in life.”

So much of our spiritual state and “transformation in thinking” comes from learning to become far more faithful in the “little.” As we learn to live that way even more fully in life then our thinking and agreement with God will become far stronger, and our growth and healing will move forward much further and much faster. That will be the focus of Part 3.

108 Comments

  • Ronco says:

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Thanks, you too!!

  • swooncologne says:

    the desperation almost jumps off the page:0,Alot to be thankful for today thank God.

  • Randy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving you all !!!!!! Thanks for Being there !

  • Randy says:

    Happy Thanksgiving you all !!!! Thanks for being there !

  • Acts says:

    The prophets are but wind and the word is not in them; so let what they say be done to them.

    Happy Thanksgiving ! So much to be Thankful for.

  • John of Ohio says:

    Weinland claims (revealing his ignorance of the English lanquage) that, “God’s plan was to propagate the earth during the long span of 6,000 years….”

    “Propagate?”

    Look it up, Ron. If that’s what God intended, he failed. There is still but one earth.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propagate

    propagate
    [prop-uh-geyt]

    Examples
    Word Origin

    verb (used with object), propagated, propagating.
    1. to cause (an organism) to multiply by any process of natural reproduction from the parent stock.
    2. to reproduce (itself, its kind, etc.), as an organism does.
    3. to transmit (hereditary features or elements) to, or through, offspring.
    4. to spread (a report, doctrine, practice, etc.) from person to person; disseminate.
    5. to cause to increase in number or amount.
    6. to create (an effect) at a distance, as by electromagnetic waves, compression waves, etc., traveling through space or a physical medium; transmit:
    to propagate sound.

    verb (used without object), propagated, propagating.
    7. to multiply by any process of natural reproduction, as organisms; breed.
    8. to increase in extent, as a structural flaw:
    The crack will propagate only to this joint.
    9. (of electromagnetic waves, compression waves, etc.) to travel through space or a physical medium.

    Exactly. Ron, where are all those extra Earths?

  • Acts says:

    Washington, D.C.
    October 3, 1863

    By the President of the United States of America.

    A Proclamation.

    The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

    In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

    Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

    By the President: Abraham Lincoln

    William H. Seward,
    Secretary of State

  • charlie says:

    yay ..a new timeline ..sort of ..in his post its 4 1/2years ..i can hardly wait ….LOL keep em coming ron

  • martin says:

    Where?

    (I don’t want to read the whole thing, it’s too painful to plow through that morass of muddled thinking)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Second paragraph: “Such individuals simply do not understand or see that these man-made systems are all on a countdown to failure within the next 4 ½ years, and some much sooner. ”

    Consistence with his 3rd of many dates for Christ’s return; Pentecost of 2019.

  • Jocko says:

    Jocko and the Wailers::

    Those Crazies, Those crazies, Those crazies, That Crazy Bald Head is at it again. Re-writing scripture to serve himself. Re-writing scripture to serve his band of woman.

    And all throughout the day dose stiff neck fools align their sights on him. That Crazy Bald Man’s head shines so bright.

    He’s so crazy. He’s so crazy. So crazy. Crazy enough to have his big shinny bald head propagated into two new moons in the sky

    And dose stiff neck fools now have to turn their necks to see dat Crazy Bald One’s new moons in the sky. Those crazy’s. God’s been revealing ideas into dat crazy Bald head’s mind again. Those crazy’s, Those crazy’s must be run out of town.

  • Acts says:

    More shameful hypocrisy from False Prophet Ronald Weinland.

    Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

    Apostate !

    2 Thessalonians 2
    9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  • Acts says:

    ” YOU KNOW , WHEN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DOING WHAT IS RIGHT , AND THEY CLAIM CERTAIN THINGS OR SAY CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT WHAT IS GIVEN TO THEM , AND IT DOES NOT COME TO PASS , THEN THEY HAVE TO MADLY CHANGE EVERYTHING AND DO SOMETHING ELSE”

    The Word of Ron . ” when people who are not doing what is Right”

    And on an on it goes!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U6KP8Yv6owo

  • Randy says:

    What makes me laugh , all the PKG people did everything for Ron and Laura first before there family now there old the family is not there for them and Ron (the asshole ) is in Fedral Prison for prosecuting of not pay tax on money he stole who will take of all these old people who sent them all their money not Ron and Laura they will steal more ! Just saying

  • Randy says:

    Like someone said Ron was prosecuted not persecuted !

  • Randy says:

    You all think the money whore is ready for some new Bling !

  • Randy says:

    Bubba
    Give him a couple bitch slaps thanks !

  • Randy says:

    Do you all think Ron and Laura are humble ? Weigh in !

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron and Laura are so humble, they’re proud of it.

  • Acts says:

    My sentiments exactly

  • Acts says:

    I would also add , they’re ”quite insane ”

  • Acts says:

    Based on Ron’s Judgment of course .

    Matthew 7:2
    For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.

  • Swooncologne says:

    Ron literally looks at the the people in his cult like complete fools most likely in his mind this gives him a free conscious to abuse,intimidate,threaten,disrespect and belittle time and time again .They are up to their necks in his complete insanity its almost unbelievable

  • Byker Bob says:

    I don’t know the Weinlands personally, never having met them or heard Ron speak. However, if I were a betting man, I would bet that he fits the typical ministerial profile that Armstrong doctrines always produce. And, that is not humble. It is a profile of arrogance, self-righteousness, and micro-management. People who were not able to adapt that personality or profile while at Ambassador College never made it into the ministry.

    BB

  • Acts says:

    Powerfully and abundantly clear.

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  • Donna Kautz says:

    Jocko,
    I just read the “comments” as I do not have the stomach to read what Ron writes (filth and garbage) but I had the best laugh of the year. I laughed so hard I cried. That was the perfect ending to a great week of Thanksgiving. That shiny bald head and two moons brings a lot to my mind, I am still laughing. Thank you so much!
    Randy take heart that this is not over yet and you may have your mother back someday. I know that your mother loves you very much as she spoke about you many times. Does she know the horrible things that Laura has said about you to people in their group. I don’t think that your mother would approve of the lies she tells about her son.

    Randy, I am that poor old widow woman that Laura stole from. Tell you mom I don’t have any reason to lie about it. It was all in the court transcripts.
    Donna Kautz

  • Donna Kautz says:

    I must clarify that Laura did not steal from me physically but through a check I gave her. She then used that opportunity to steal from the church. I never had any idea of this until the IRS contacted me and told me what Laura had done. I was floored to say the least.
    Donna Kautz

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Here’s a link to a copy of the transcript: http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/90_1206071318_audra_part_4_palmisano_direct.pdf

    See page 94 of the file for the testimony about the check. (Donna’s last name phonetically misspelled.)

    Donna’s testimony in this transcript, page 13: http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/77_1206061130_donna_kautz.pdf

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  • martin says:

    Judas stole from the money pot, literally.

    Judas’ fate was not that pleasant.

    Ron does not fear it now, but the bible is clear on the fate and punishment coming on false prophets.

    Ron should consider Judas, how much Judas stole compared to how much he stole from the church’s money pot.

  • Acts says:

    The best of them is as a brier: the most upright is sharper than a thorn hedge: the day of your watchmen and your visitation comes; now shall be their perplexity.

  • Acts says:

    All your filthy Garbage Posts !

    But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.

    Apostate !

  • Acts says:

    Definition of pretense (n)
    Bing Dictionary
    pre·tense[ prée tènss ]
    insincere or feigned behavior: something done or a way of behaving that is not genuine, but is intended to deceive somebody
    unwarranted claim: a claim, especially one with few facts to support it
    make-believe: make-believe or things imagined
    synonyms: trick · con · sham · hoax · fabrication · invention · deception · subterfuge

  • Randy says:

    Donna
    Thank you so much for the words of inspiration and coming out and telling this all the Gossipping PKG members read mikes blog all the time they are so noise and they all talk about everyone else so there afraid everyone is talking about them , and again Donna thank you so much! 🙂

  • The Garden of Eden? With Conald Swineland’s scorched earth policy, it wouldn’t have lasted if he were around at the beginning: Ron and Laura, as Adam and Eve, would have stolen ALL the fruit from the Tree of Life AND the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. At least, given the pattern of their lives so far, they would have.

    As for the two trees… ah, the two trees… um, correct me if I’m wrong here, but the two trees according to the text, anyway, did not represent two different ways of life — they represented two different bodies of knowledge: There’s a huge difference. People are curious. They want to know. They like hidden knowledge.

    And so it is, the PKG is tasting the forbidden fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: They have to because they can’t resist having that secret (if worthless) knowledge of what’s ahead (that’s been proved false prophecy from an insane lying false prophet felon). Unfortunately, it’s wrong and they won’t become gods. I think we’re all better off. I suspect that we would suffer greatly if they became gods. Heck, they suffer just from Swineland playing god.

    And darn it all, they don’t really know good from evil either.

  • True Motivation — Yielding to Satan’s Lust

    The love of money is a root of all evil.

    So is the love of ego [hint: It’s called narcissism].

  • Again, when God gave instruction concerning His garden, what does it mean concerning one’s responsibility to “dress it?”

    I’m thinking, in Ron and Laura’s minds, it means buying underwear from Victoria’s Secret.

  • Acts says:

    The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

  • Growing spiritually?

    Rotten Ronnie has been growing weeds, starting with the seeds of false prophecy.

    It’s a terrible garden, but you must admit it is just full of vegetation: Weeds — it’s all weeds — a garden cram packed with weeds.

    And his weeds? Well, you can’t even smoke them, although it’s easy to believe he’s been smoking something….

    And the PKG is the very flower of his garden.

  • Acts says:

    Powerfully and Abundantly Clear

  • DanniGirl says:

    An ex-PKGer has just posted an extraordinary post. But it has been buried within Act’s rantings. Make sure to scroll way up and read the posts from Donna.

  • Randy says:

    Dannigirl
    You are so right all you PKG people make sure you read Donna’s post outstanding and thanks again Donna for your bravery and coming forward and tell the true on these crook’s

  • Randy says:

    Donna
    You are my new hero I would like to see more people come out and tell the truth !

  • Randy says:

    They are having a pep really down in Cinn. Ohio this weekend Laura ( the money whore ) is going to through a hell MARY and try to keep the cash flowing for the Weinland family Mafia ! Please read Donna post everyone scroll up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Randy says:

    I have more I would like to say but let’s put all the focus on DONNA’S post !!!

  • martin says:

    Donna, I take it you are an ex-PKGer now.

    What was the last straw that woke you up? Was it the $3K check issue?

  • charlie says:

    i have two questions for ron weinland ..so if any of his minions are reading this ..please forward..

    1. Does God seem far away ?

    2. Who do you think moved ?

  • Acts says:

    “One of the major changes mentioned in the last post is to bring mankind back to the original purpose God desired and has intended for the role of women in family, society, and His family.”
    Ronald Weinland

    Jeremiah 31
    How long will you go about, O you backsliding daughter? for the LORD has created a new thing in the earth, A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS A MAN
    Thus said the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; AS YET THEY SHALL USE THIS SPEECH IN THE LAND OF JUDAH AND THE CITIES THEREOF, WHEN I SHALL BRING AGAIN THEIR CAPTIVITY ; The LORD bless you, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness.

  • FedUp says:

    DanniGirl, I agree. Acts continues to dominate the board with endless scripture quotes. I believe the Bible to be the word of God, but I come here for information about the PKG cult, not a Bible study. I learned to do that all by myself.

    Please, Acts, tone it down. State your case in your own words, out of your own experience.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Acts, let me remind you of my previous communications with you, along the line of FedUp’s point.

    I’ve done some trimming, and found that somehow a comment left by Avalo several days ago got lost in the shuffle. For those interested in how he’s getting along, here’s a link to his commment: http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/2014/11/22/chopping-block/comment-page-1/#comment-491903

  • Randy says:

    Dannigirl
    Are you from Hawaii ?

  • Randy says:

    The money whore had a meeting today in Cinn. Bet she was lying her ass off gossiping they (the Weinland family mafia) will do what ever it take to keep the cash flow coming ! Now that we have that clear about Laura taking the check of $3,000 that the Donna payed her back for a loan, let’s start on paying Jerrimes collage fund and his BMW ! Let the facts come out and speak for there self Laura you are a ruthless bitch !

  • DanniGirl says:

    Randy, Ha! I wish I was from Hawaii! I’m hoping we hear more from Donna, because this kind of information may help persuade the PKGers to free themselves from the cult.

  • Randy says:

    When I go to bed at night I say my prayers and go right to sleep, I never took one dime from anybody on false precincts , I never stole from anyone, I’ve told petty lies like everyone but I never wreaked any family and I’m not in Fedral prison , Laura is a no good lying bitch and like the Jugde said she should be in Prison too , Laura if you have any balls come on here and debate us or you got to much to hide bitch we all know you read Mikes blog

  • Randy says:

    Thanks dannigirl that was honeygirl I was thinking about sorry but thanks so much for your in put !

  • Randy says:

    All the people are finally leaving and poor Laura will have no income !!

  • Randy says:

    I believe in an a eye for an eye , and a tooth for a tooth ,and I would love to see Laura eating out of a garbage can , that would be humble !
    Sorry guys I’m done for night , good night and God bless !!!

  • Matt says:

    I would say chances are high Laura believes that some of the members are looking to stage a coup, and that the are trying to make it harder for them to find support by quickly demoting some of the leadership. Interesting to see if it backfires, which it easily may, especially when some of those members realize how little Ronnies fatwas are going to matter if he was to be replaced.

    Though what could disgrace him now that dipping into the church coffers for a cool million plus seems to have bounced off him like spitballs off Teflon (in the eyes of his followers, if not the US government) is hard to imagine. I wonder just what it would take? Selling crack outside an orphanage dressed in a genuine panda-fur pimp outfit?

  • What would it take?

    The world coming to an end.

    But not the way Swineland predicted.

  • martin says:

    according to : http://www.swcs.com.au/moneyNT.htm

    Mark 14:5, John 12:5 At Simon’s house in Bethany, “This ointment might have been sold for more than 300 denarii” ($30,000)

    This is what Judas lusted after, but did not have an opportunity to pilfer as the perfume was not sold.

    Compare this with how much Ronald Weinland did IN FACT steal, which is a little over 8 times what Judas lusted after.
    (It is not know how much Judas pilfered in the course of his job as money keeper)

    I would be shaking in my boots if I were Ron.

  • Randy says:

    My mom always wearied about locking the doors and hiding stuff so no one steals her stuff , and the truth know Ron and Laura are the only ones who steal from her and the PKG memebers , it’s time for a coup folks get read of this crooks my a living off you !!!!!! Somebody needs to stand up and take over !

  • Randy says:

    You all need someone that is humble not a crook in a $1700 suit and a wife with $100,000’in gold and diamonds !!! my end time witness will be in cloth sacks ! And sons ! And no man, Angel ,nor the son will know the hour, day or time of the return of the lord !!!!!! And I don’t think they will arive in BMW’S !

  • One wonders if Weinland actually has any ‘free will’ in choosing to be evil or is it deterministic and his ‘free will’ is just an illusion of the choices he must make because he is the way he is?

    Certainly, the PKG seems to have had ‘free will’ taken away from them and their choices (if any) are very poor ones indeed.

  • Randy says:

    Bubba
    Do me a big favor reach over and bitchnslap the asshole before I go to bed , thanks !

  • Byker Bob says:

    Speaking of free will, tonight’s episode of “Person of Interest” was a rerun. But, in the denouement of the show, Mr. Finch, one of the most intelligent characters on television, explained to Mr. Reese, hero type dude who is also a highly trained mercenary/assassin, that we humans have and exercise free will. He explained something we all already know, ie that some use that free will to do good, while others use it to do bad.

    Actually, that would be the simplified black and white explanation. There are also people who do horrible bad, hurting others, either deluded that they are actually doing good, or actually knowing that they do bad, but attempting to convince others that they are doing good. And, when large sums of money are involved, anything is possible.

    BB

  • Mantayo says:

    Byker Bob says:
    November 28, 2014 at 19:06

    . . . the typical ministerial profile that Armstrong doctrines always produce. And, that is not humble. It is a profile of arrogance, self-righteousness, and micro-management. People who were not able to adapt that personality or profile while at Ambassador College never made it into the ministry.

    BB

    I know / knew some AC graduates who became ministers who would be justifiably offended and would feel slandered by that generalization.

  • Mantayo says:

    I know / knew some AC graduates who became ministers who would be justifiably offended and would feel slandered by that generalization.

    You know, it isn’t because I haven’t tried. I’ve tested the spirits (not alcohol, because I don’t drink) and found them to be narcissistic, arrogant, self-righteous, sociopaths, more than a few psychopaths, nut jobs, weird and creepy and / or delusional. Byker Bob is correct in his assessment: Even if they had potential, integrity and competence before they entered Ambassador College, they were thoroughly corrupted before they finished their turn to the dark side of the force in their Sith training.

    The most distressing part of it is, most of them don’t know it. They don’t see themselves for what they are. Their spiritual mirror is all steamed up if they use it at all.

    The big problem is that British Israelism has turned them into false prophets. Furthermore, with the death of Herbert Armstrong, they continue their pathetic lives as hirelings, unable to let go of a cult religion that does far more harm than good, and while they not realize what liars they are, they still lie and then take your money. It might not be so bad if they just lied to you for free, but they don’t: It always costs — and in the case of someone like Weinland, Meredith, Pack, Flurry, the fun guys at United, the not quite so fun guys at CoGWA and the rest of them, it costs quite a lot.

    Now it is true that one minister gave a sermon this year and apologized for being a false prophet. Apparently he had an epiphany. His commitment was to stop being a false prophet. It’s a good start toward redemption. It should be noted that the minister who founded the small Armstrongist group about 3 years ago never attended Ambassador College, although he otherwise qualifies as an Armstrongist minister, at least by having been ordained an elder in the WCG. I know. I asked him. His sect is one of the more benign ones around. Nevertheless, just apologizing for being a false prophet and committing to not being one any more isn’t really good enough in my mind — being a false prophet disqualifies a man from ever being a minister according to Biblical Standards as far as I’m concerned. It’s not unlike committing adultery on your wife as she lies dying of cancer while preaching sermons on the Sabbath — and not to put too fine a point on it, United would not accept an adulterer for the ministry (and they rejected the cult sect leader who did it). How is that so very different spiritually from being a false prophet? If anyone can show me that a converted person who became a minister and was a false prophet some how repented of it and became a minister / leader / teacher in the New Testament text, I might reconsider, but it would seem that I Timothy 3 would not support such a proposition.

    It would seem that those ministers who have been warped through the indoctrination of Ambassador College are more like II Timothy 3.

    And they can get all huffy, but it’s just so much tempest in a teapot for incompetent ministers in their self-righteous arrogance.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Here is the acid test: Even if you did enjoy an amicable friendship with an AC graduate/minister, who automatically always seemed to become the dominant one during the activities in which you jointly participated?

    Some were not as extreme as others, but even some of the ex-ministers who have left Armstrongism and now want to share have brought this ingrained mentality to blogs and forums. While I notice these old attitudes, I generally don’t get in their faces because of it, because I assume that we are all trying to shed the lingering bad effects in our lives, and perhaps these ministers had a much more intense experience, leaving them with more baggage with which to deal. As an example, imagine dealing with your conscience if you suddenly realized how badly you had altered the lives of some of the innocent little ones. Even so, it is probably best to allow these guys the same room to change and get to new plateaus that one would want for oneself, unless one of them is constantly being an asshole.

    BB

  • Mantayo says:

    I had hoped I wouldn’t have to go to the trouble of rebutting answers to my objection, but here goes.

    BB, you made a generalization that included the following: ” the typical ministerial profile that Armstrong doctrines always produce” and “People who were not able to adapt that personality or profile while at Ambassador College never made it into the ministry.”

    First, while you may be right in asserting that the “typical”minister from AC exhibited the characteristics you listed (which I have not quoted) it is not the case that they all did so. It is the “always” and the “never” that I object to because that doesn’t allow for the ministers (few in number) I am thinking of who are not as you describe – never were in all the time I knew them, probably aren’t now (those still living) and probably weren’t before they ever heard of Armstrong, Armstrongism or AC.

    Second, the implied answer to your “acid test” question concerning who dominated in activities is simplistic and facile. When a minister / pastor is surrounded by church members he is going to be the center of attention whether he likes it or not. Sometimes it was his role as a church leader to “dominate” the proceedings, but at other times it was a natural corollary to his position. And it is not well received by church members if, through being a natural introvert, a minister repeatedly indulges his nature and preference to find a quiet spot and read a book rather than join in the activities, whatever they may have been. Moreover, any organization will have its mix of personalities, and they will show various leadership styles. In addition, some people are better read, and with more life experience than others – I met pompous, self-righteous ministers of all ages, as I met quiet, humble, unassuming ministers of all ages who were always working to further their education and competence both theologically and in other areas of life.

    I do not dispute your description of your experience, but logic is on my side: you cannot legitimately gainsay what I relate as my experience, and my experience includes exceptions to your generalization. Hence my objection and my conviction that the ministers I have in mind would feel slandered.

    DB, again, your characterization of AC graduates / ministers as “narcissistic, arrogant, self-righteous, sociopaths, more than a few psychopaths, nut jobs, weird and creepy and / or delusional . . . Even if they had potential, integrity and competence before they entered Ambassador College, they were thoroughly corrupted before they finished their turn to the dark side of the force in their Sith training” doesn’t account for the people I knew and have in mind. It is irrelevant if 99% or more (or even 100% of those whom you know) were as you describe, you are doing a grave injustice and disservice to those people who are not – and never were – the damaged and damaging individuals you charge them with being.

  • Don Doherty says:

    I offer some food for thought. Some of Ron’s thinking is often not very different from standard traditional fundamentalist Christian thinking and doctrine. And yet some of those “thinkings” produce bizarre outcomes to say the least!

    In his latest post Ron says: “From the beginning, God’s desire for how people should live the life that was given to them was revealed in basic instruction to the first two who were created; however, God knew that mankind would not choose Him, but would instead choose their own selfish ways.” (If God KNEW this from the outset, why bother with the experiment in the first place?)

    Weiland goes on to say: “God’s plan was to propagate the earth over six millennia and allow people to choose their own ways and live by “the fruit” it would produce. For those who would live within that span of time, God’s plan included giving these same people “another period of time” in which to live life again. Then, in that additional period of life, they would be granted the opportunity and the ability (means) to choose and then live by the way God desired for them from the beginning. We are now transitioning from that 6,000-year period of mankind’s selfish focus and way of living to that time when God’s intervening power, to change that horrible self-destructive course, begins to be poured out to everyone in the world.”

    In other words Ron is saying that when God created Adam and Eve, God already knew that the 6,000 year experiment of giving people free-will was destined to fail, and that the experiment would be accompanied by “horrible self-destruction”, which would see billions of people during 6000 years murdered and wounded in peacetime and warfare, suffer excruciatingly from horrific illnesses, be tortured and maimed by sadistic criminals, and die of starvation, etc etc. And at that end of all of that (which God knew in advance would happen) God is now on the point of giving everyone “another period of time” in which people will, if fact, live as God had originally intended them to do when he created Adam and Eve.

    Here’s my question: If God knew ALL OF THIS IN ADVANCE why didn’t he just organise things so that what he apparently intends to do NOW was simply done IN THE FIRST PLACE? If “God’s Plan” always intended that people would eventually be able to live without all the suffering and anguish, why didn’t he just organise that from the outset and thus save billions of human beings from all the horrific suffering?

    If, as Weinland insists, God KNEW ALL OF THIS IN ADVANCE, is he not therefore responsible for KNOWLINGLY inflicting totally needless suffering on humankind for 6,000 years? Is not God therefore guilty of inflicting horrific, but avoidable, crimes against mankind?

    (Suppose I set in motion a series of events which I know will result in untold death and suffering, shouldn’t I accept criminal responsibility for my actions?)

    But then – maybe God didn’t have a hand in any of this. Perhaps Weiland’s whole bizarre scenario is just pure supposition, as a way of explaining the problem of “evil”?

  • Acts says:

    Deuteronomy 11:26

    Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if you obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if you will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which you have not known.

  • Acts says:

    12
    29When the LORD your God shall cut off the nations from before you, where you go to possess them, and you succeed them, and dwell in their land; 30Take heed to yourself that you be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before you; and that you inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31You shall not do so to the LORD your God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

    Something for the Acog to think about.

    32What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Well, Mantayo, this is a group of people whose very jobs were to become indoctrinated in a false, toxic, and oppressive system, and to teach and enforce that system. To do this in a relaxed fashion was defined as being Laodecean in accordance with the false doctrine of church eras, or, in extreme cases, as rebellion. Did some smile as they did this, and appear to have good intentions or positive attitudes? Undoubtedly, yes. But, the fact remains that they were all agents of a dastardly system, one that has been accurately compared to another system which was also based on fear and coercion called the Third Reich. Were there “good” SS agents that, in their better moments, a simple working man might be able to sit down with and enjoy a beer? By the law of averages, we know that there probably were. However, fairness in justice dictates that we hold them just as accountable for what they were a part of as we would those who were actually turning on the poison gas or firing up the ovens.

    I am proud of the fact that my family members have not been singled out and listed as particularly cruel and oppressive ministers on “Hall of Shame” type web pages on the various dissident sites. I’ve even read some positive things about them on these same sites, and in expose type books which have been written on Armstrongism. Unfortunately, they appear to be “lifers” in, and continue to take part in a false and corrupt system that kills the human spirit with its lies and oppression. They have been programmed in such a manner that the only thing which could possibly change their beliefs will be Jesus straightening out the whole sordid mess when He returns. I can’t wait for that, even knowing that I should also be expecting some correction to my own beliefs!

    BB

  • you are doing a grave injustice and disservice to those people who are not – and never were – the damaged and damaging individuals you charge them with being

    What utter nonsense. I may some of the people of which you think you are speaking, so let’s take one example shall we?

    Back in 2006, I had learned that a certain minister had raped 16 teen age girls and 8 of their mothers. I had confirmed this with a minister in United who had been in Global. His reaction? He bought the first box of “Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths” by Dr. Robert Hare when the book came out to distribute to his fellow ministers. Why? Well because the Mafia in Pasadena wouldn’t do a thing about it. I also talked with the minister at the Feast of Tabernacles in Redmond, Oregon about it and he told me that he was the first one to report it to Pasadena. Their reaction to John: “But he gives such great sermons” (his exact words to me). The administration, more specifically, Roderick Meredith did nothing about it.

    As we look back over this dysfunctional mess called “The Worldwide Church of God” and “Ambassador College” we find established as fact — and in fact, reported by Garner Ted Armstrong himself — that GTA committed adultery with 200 women over a period of 10 year, most of whom were coeds and many of whom became minister’s wives. Now the ministers who had married the raped coeds knew this but they continued not just in the WCG, but they worked directly for GTA. This was the level of corruption at the time.

    And I ask you, Mantayo, what sort of integrity does a man have who tolerates such evil knowingly to continue to collect his salary? Even the best of the ministers — the one who told me about Phillip is a decent sort and has is a certified counsellor — knew about the evil and they stayed. If they had one shred of integrity, why didn’t they leave in protest and faith?

    Herbert Armstrong well called Ambassador College “Satan’s college” and he was behind it all — starting off committing incest with his daughter for the first 10 years of his ministry and became a false prophet early on “In Jesus’ Name” with prophecies that failed already in the 1930s and 1940s — let alone getting to 1975 in prophecy (and no, Tito did not become the beast and Yugoslavia doesn’t even really exist any more).

    Incest, pedophilia, stalking and a whole host of other felonies are rife within the Armstrongist churches of God as well as outright nuttiness of ministers claiming demons are coming through stargates at the bottom of the ocean an flying UFOs. It would be one thing for each and every minister who knows about such things to protest LOUDLY and publicly to speak out and spare not, but quite another to remain silent as the evils perpetrated from Ambassador College and beyond continue to flow out as just so much sewage.

    They all teach lies — every one of them. They have to because their religion is based on British Israelism as “the Key to Prophecy”; it’s nothing of the sort and all the prophecies based on it are doomed to fail and have been failing from the very beginning. Yet these “fine and upstanding ministers” from Ambassador College continue to teach and preach as if the United States and British Commonwealth are the lost tribes of Israel, which they absolutely are not — they are Gentile, pure and simple (anyone wanting details can read “Foundation of Sand”). They are evil because they tolerate evil. They don’t stand up against it. (David Hulme hinted he was considering dumping British Israelism and look what happened to his little group).

    So go ahead and live in your delusions — not unlike the PKG members who faithfully (and blindly) follow an insane lying false prophet convicted felon. Don’t bother to defend the silent accessories after the fact. If Jesus were to return, they will have to answer for their non response in the face of incredible corruption.

    And yes, I do like Byker Bob’s allusion to the Third Reich. The “nice” Germans did not escape the judgment at Nuremburg. Do you think the “nice” Ambassador College graduate ministers should escape the judgment of God.

    You know, the disturbing thing about it is that they aren’t disturbed by it.

  • FedUp says:

    I knew some nice people in the COG world. Unfortunately, they were far outnumbered by the power hungry, conniving, egotistical, pandering, evil, and unhinged. We know a tree by its fruits; and the fruit on the branches has, for the most part, been rotten. There is simply no way around that fact. Citing rare exceptions to the rule still leaves the rule intact. Thankfully, the COG membership and ministry consist primarily of grey heads. Their failure to attract younger members will ensure their eventual demise.

    Sadly, once the COGs have died out, a new guru will appear and start the process all over again. There will always be those who want to be led around by the nose. Hopefully, there will always be someone willing to expose the gurus for what they truly are.

  • Plimsol says:

    Don Doherty

    Yes – I have tried to make a similar point in the past.

    There is another evil thing about the God that Weinland claims to believe in. According to Weinland’s theology, you cannot choose to become a member of the Church – you have to be “called”. You cannot decide by what he calls human carnal reasoning that his Church is the true Church – God has to show it to you. That is why the members of PKG are so blessed, and so lucky. They have been singled out, and chosen by God.

    If they want to believe that, fine.

    But they also believe that God has given mankind a number of warnings, through his most formidable end-time prophet Ron Weinland. Man has failed to heed those warnings. Therefore there is going to be three and a half years of horrible destruction, in which billions will die, to punish them for not listening to God (or heeding Ron’s warnings).

    Leaving aside the fact that what Ron said was wrong, and that he said that if what he prophesied did not come to pass it would demonstrate that he was not who he claimed to be – so it seems a bit unfair to kill billions of people for not believing it – leaving that aside, according to his theology people COULDN’T believe him, unless God allowed them to. So God is going to murder people for not believing a lie, which he himself would not allow them to believe.

    It is a wicked belief system on any rational analysis, even ignoring all the tithing and false prophecy.

  • FedUp says:

    “So God is going to murder people for not believing a lie, which he himself would not allow them to believe.”

    Circular reasoning at its COG best. Makes my head hurt.

  • Acts says:

    HWA opened his bible and made himself a Levite priest . The whole organization is a perversion ( not the genuine article) as Ronald Weinland would say about Traditional Christianity . THE iRONy of it all is what HWA created is the same as TC . I don’t believe he became the beast , The beast is the spirit of falsehood , control and oppression behind him . Now they Worship the image of that beast, A divided house , The big house was destroyed and the divided houses will be as well . The end is near for Idolatry in all it’s forms.

    These groups are still global , controlling many tongues , teaching their False doctrine and False Prophecy in the Name of God and His son Jesus Christ. All the Groups are Names of Blasphemy .

    They teach people that Judgment is coming on The western nations of the world , what they fail to realize ,judgment Is coming on the hypocrites that claim to speak in Gods name ( Themselves) . Christ Said the End for this World will be like it was before the Flood . 8 people were on the Ark and there is no record of God Telling Noah to go out and warn people so they can all come aboard or build their own Arks .

    Take the Stumbling block out of the way ! Trust No man , Trust in the Words of Christ ,keep his commandments and Live.
    HE IS THE HEAD. No Man or Woman Is the head of the Church , That is a Babylonian Government that goes back to Nimrod! It is a perversion and a dictatorship . The spiritual body of Christ is not meant to resemble anything like that! But you are to be Fed meat from the head of the church in due season by remaining FAITHFUL to CHRIST. Not Faithful to a man who Transgresses.

    If you want favor seek God while he can be found.

  • charlie says:

    weinland reeks of nazism

  • Plimsol says:

    Ron Weinland in his post entitled “Last Warning”, December 12 2012:

    “No More Warning

    In the future, any post that might possibly be written on this site will no longer be warnings, but only explanation of the realities that are taking place in the light of the day of Christ’s return as King of kings. God is not going to give any more warnings to this world or to the Church that was scattered. The time for warning has ended because the time for fulfillment is at hand—it has arrived!”

    Ron Weinland in his post entitled “Two New Topics”,May 29 2014:

    “Due to some recent questions concerning eating out on the Sabbath and about wearing makeup, I have written two new topics for the “Topics” section of the Church website.”

    The man has no shame.

  • I’m thinking that Weinland himself doesn’t wear makeup and he certainly doesn’t currently eat out in restaurants on the Sabbath.

    One wonders what sort of food choices he does have in the prison cafeteria.

    And who sits with him at his table.

  • martin says:

    I love the standard operating procedure of Ron’s.

    Ron prophesies something.

    This prophecy is absolute.

    Nothing can change it.

    *** THEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENS AT ALL ***

    Ron starts to babble about things still happening but are not visible. About things starting to begin, or beginning to start.

    A talking donkey makes more sense.

  • charlie says:

    entropy isnt what it used to be ..sigh

  • bilbo says:

    Martin, there are plenty of people it seems who are stupid enough to fund him, thinking they’re worshiping God.

    He’ll be more careful on the paperwork, but why not continue with impunity if there is nothing to stop it.

    If you have no morals, and have sufficient charisma, it’s easy money.

  • Soap Opera says:

    Hi Douglas Becker,
    Could you give us the name of author of “Foundation of Sand”).
    I went on line looking but so many items on sand came up…….
    Thought it would be easier to just ask you.
    Thanks.

  • Randy says:

    Bubba
    Bitch slap the asshole foe me please !!

  • Randy says:

    I bet Laura hates not having control over every one the PKG is falling apart, all you Pkg members need to start asking Laura question see how she answers them them go to the court transcripts like Donna says Laura put the money in her own account ,

  • Randy says:

    Some body else needs to take over the PKG just like Ron did back in the 90’s they need a board to run it not one man world wide ministers make about $40,000 a year , Ron makes over 200,000 in prison not counting LaurA and the rest rest of the Weinland family mafia ! Plus benni please open your eyes and take care of your own families . It’s coup time who will stand up ?

  • charlie says:

    for someone to stage a palace coup in the pkg ..they will have to denounce ron weinland as the false prophet he is

  • Randy says:

    Spot on Charlie !

  • Randy says:

    The whole family are false prophets, not one progheties has come true, just in it for the money !!! Laura and Audria are trying as hard as they can to keep cash flow !

  • Soap Opera, the author is ‘Silenced’ which actually is no help at all.

    What I believe you are looking for is Foundation of Sand: The Lie of British Israelism.

    This particular link is to a flipping book format which is easier to read than the .pdf at silenced.co.

  • Randy says:

    If any of you have any balls take over and not make it about Money , but God and Family , look at the pope after he took over , dropped it all about money and fame, but the Weinland family mafia will always want full controll !

  • Randy says:

    Laura’s
    Favorite song ( I got my mine on my money, and got my money on my mind )

  • Donna Kautz says:

    Sorry about not posting this week but my life is once again full of wonderful things to do. I am finally at peace with God and the world. And if I sin it will be for God to correct me.
    YES, I am an ExPKG member. I left spiritually long before I left physically. I have to tell you that before I left I told 2 different people in PKG what Laura had done. They DO NOT want the truth, they want to believe that they are special. It was the final straw for me when Ron said that the 2 witnesses did not have to die in the streets of Jerusalem. He just called God a liar, and no one called him on it. I remember the last night before the “FIRST TIME” Christ was returning. We were invited to his house to listen to the sermon he had prepared for the next day (sabbath). I asked him what was going on as it says in the Bible that there will be a terrible war going on and Christ will return to intervene and put an end to the destruction. I said there is nothing happening. He just shrugged his shoulders and went to bed. He was not the least bit worried about anything. HE WENT TO SLEEP!
    I don’t know what is going on in the minds of those still sitting there. Some are educated and can read, why they don’t believe God and what He says is a real mystery. I remember what the special agent in the IRS said to me. This is in my words. “There are many ministers in the world that are doing just what Laura and Ron are doing, Ron and Laura are nothing special”. These agent are specially trained to prosecute them. The one agent had many years of training as it says in the transcripts to do just what they did. And they did not lie. Ron and Laura are con artist of the worst kind and they are the liars. Have a wonderful week and Randy I do keep your mother in my prayers. Sometimes God just gives us the chance to stand on our own two feet to see what we are made of. He wants to say “Now I know you”.

  • martin says:

    Donna Kautz, I ask this question a lot…

    What is your take on the Zech 4? The chapter on the Two Witnesses (portions of which are paraphrased in Rev 11 chapter on Two Witnesses)

    In Zech. 4:14 : the two anointed ones (Hb “two men of oil”; v. 14) Holman Study Bible: NKJV Edition, or literally the two sons of oil

    You see, right at the start, when Ron claimed he and his wife were the Two Witnesses, ALL could have proven him wrong if they simply believed the plain statement in the bible stating they are BOTH MEN. Just because Ron says he’s one of the Two Witnesses means absolutely nothing.

    People claim to be Napolean….Jesus….Mary…..and the proof….they said so.

    Ronald Weinland
    1) Has fulfilled no prophecy at all (no fire breathing, no plagues cast, no dying in Jerusalem….)
    2) Does not fulfill prophetic description (TWO MEN)
    3) Believes Christ is created being (a heresy)
    4) Has stolen more money for selfish lusts than Judas Iscariet over his “career” as a disciple (while we don’t know exact amount Judas stole from the money jar, I can’t imagine it being greater than what Ron has stolen and used for his selfish lusts….look what happened to Judas, Ron should be scared out of his boots)
    5) Contradicts himself from blog post to blog post, is this the mind of a man of God? One who can’t tell up from down and black from white?

  • martin says:

    (just to clarify my question)
    What is your take on this verse which states the Two Witnesses are both men?
    (Zec 4:14) And he saith, `These are the two sons of the oil, who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.’

  • Donna Kautz says:

    Martin, I am not sure exactly what translation you can say is correct. I am just now reading from the Hebrew text and it says quote—–
    “And He said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Master of all the earth.” This verse is quoted directly from the Hebrew translation. Now I am not saying that the witnesses are both men or a man and a woman. I don’t know for sure and to me that is not the point. My point is that there are many things that God has told us and I try to obey without question. Some things do not need to be translated and it is very clear as to the meaning. And when God says that their bodies will lie in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days that is exactly what He means. What is to happen in the future is all in God’s hands and I will not worry about it. But I do know that there will be 2 beings that will do all those things that the Bible tells us and there will be no doubt in my mind that I will recognize them when they come on the scene. I was lazy and did not try my hardest to prove these things when I knew that Ron was lying and preaching another God. Paul warned us about this. I am just thankful that God gave me another chance. We all have choices to make in this life, I hope that I have grown and am able to see the truth for what it is and not rely on a man to tell me what the Bible says.
    Yes Ron stole money from the church but try to remember that in the Bible it tells us that God already knew that Judas was a thief and yet God allowed him to have control of the money, knowing what Judas as capable of. Well don’t you think God knows that Ron was a thief long before he became head of PKG. Some times we have to let God handle things. Like I said, we all have free will and when Ron and Laura stand before God they will have no excuse for what they have done. And their punishment will be far worse than any we could pronounce on them. I am trying to do as the Bible teaches me, we pray for those who persecute us. This is not easy to do but we have been reading about Paul in the Bible and he is a great example to us living today.
    I hope that I do not offend any with my words but let us give God a chance to do what He has to do in each of our lives. This trial may be more for us and how we react than it is for those still sitting in PKG. Randy I will say a special prayer for your mother but just love her and you may be the one to set the example of what a true christian is. Your mom loves you unconditionally, just stay strong for her.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Donna, the church took a lot out of us. You lose your will to be yourself. You can’t ask questions, you can’t have an opinion. It was always this way , even in WWCG. If you questioned anything , you were out. We lived in fear of that, because we thought they were THE CHURCH OF GOD! WE are the church of God. In all our glory and all our imperfection he loves us. It certainly took me long enough to figure it out.Unconditional love from God Almighty ! Something we certainly never experienced in PKG. We are free for the first time in years to have a true relationship with him. NOW he can teach us! Now that we have shed the mind control of ” the church”. You’re correct in saying we left spiritually long before we left physically. We just didn’t have the strength. Ron did call God a liar on more than one occasion and no one has the strength to call him on it. Who is Ron in the scheme of things? A sticky minister just like the ones in the world. As you said , nothing special. I would love to think that people would wake up but Ron has done his level best to rock them to sleep.He has convinced them that they will enter the Kingdom as a collective, all together, but I think it is much different than that. Christ was alone on the mountain, with God to strengthen him. All of his humanity stripped away with starvation, yet he could cast Satan away with a word. He was never stronger! We have to be willing to stand up for what we believe , no matter what, just as he did. Thank you for standing up for what you believe. Crystal

  • charlie says:

    that is the reason i left pkg too …ron said he would quit preaching if everything he prophesied did not come true ….of course it didnt come true but good ole ron just kept on preaching …weinland is a liar and a cheat ..oh and you can tell him i said so …weinland has addressed me in some of his sermons ….if laura is reading this ( or whoever reads and reports to ron )…you figure it out

  • Randy says:

    Thank you so much Donna I needed that ! 🙂

  • Don Doherty says:

    Plimsol says: “Yes – I have tried to make a similar point in the past. There is another evil thing about the God that Weinland claims to believe in. According to Weinland’s theology, you cannot choose to become a member of the Church – you have to be “called”. You cannot decide by what he calls human carnal reasoning that his Church is the true Church – God has to show it to you. That is why the members of PKG are so blessed, and so lucky. They have been singled out, and chosen by God.”

    But I am also making the point that Weinland AND traditional Christianity, including many bloggers here, share the belief that God created mankind with freewill in the persons of Adam and Eve. Weiland and traditional Christianity also believe that God KNEW IN ADVANCE that his action would result in “horrible self-destruction” along with untold misery and suffering for billions of people, because they also believe that part of “God’s Plan” from the outset was to eventually inaugurate a new era in which such misery and suffering would not exist.

    My questions to both Weinland AND traditional Christians here are:

    1) If you hold the above beliefs to be true, it means that God knew perfectly well that his “creation experiment” would fail, and knew what the catastrophic result of his actions would be, so doesn’t this consequently mean that God is guilty of wilful monstrous crimes against mankind when he created Adam and Eve?

    2) If it’s perfectly feasible for God to inaugurate a new era for mankind free catastrophe, self-destruction, misery and suffering, then why didn’t God simply inaugurate those conditions in the first place, thereby saving billions of people from all that suffering?

    I am waiting for enlightenment….