Chopping Block

Several weeks ago, False Prophet Ronald Weinland announced that he was going to perform some trimming on his bloated ministry.  Comments were left on the prior post with a list of elders’ names and demotions.

It seems that demotions were communicated by letter.  A form letter at that. Here is a copy of the form letter to demoted elders  as posted in the comment:

This letter is being sent to you to inform you that you are being moved from the role of an elder to that of an associate elder. This is rather new for the Church, since our history coming from Worldwide has been different. During those days, an ordination, or specific office in the ministry, was viewed as a life-long placement. However, in this time that is now before us, there is a different design and purpose in what God is working, and we are simply to learn from it and support it. God has specific reasons for these changes and the streamlining that is taking place in the ministry. Some of that will be mentioned here, but other matters will be learned as you go forward.

At this point, there are right at 40 ministers being directly affected by these changes and reorganization, with the likelihood of a few more that will follow. So we are sending most all of you this same letter concerning this specific change, although there are a lot of others who are now being fully removed/retired from the ministry.

As a whole, God is now preparing and training a group within the ministry who will become quite active as we go into the final stages of this end-time and they are primarily being readied for responsibilities once the Millennium is established. Many of you have issues with health and/or age that simply restrict you from carrying out certain duties. This may also restrict you from being able to serve in what is coming.

In a few cases, it is simply a matter that the need for your service as a minister does not or will not exist where you are located. This also means that the need for some roles within the ministry are not now needed for the same purpose that existed several years ago and for what God was teaching and molding within the Church. Many things have changed since this process of a widely expanded ministry began.

Yet for a few of you, this is a matter of your need to more deeply examine yourself and the example you have been living that reflects upon the ministry. Ministers are indeed held to a higher standard of responsibility and example in what is reflected in our life to others around us. It is a matter of striving to be on greater guard in all that we do, say, and administer in our responsibilities toward the world around us, toward the Church, and also our personal families. Over the next year, this will be the time to make the necessary changes that have been put off or ignored for too long now.

In other cases, the change in one’s role may simply be a matter for the need of stepping aside so that others can be inserted who need the experiences that can only be gleaned, learned, and molded into a person by serving for a period of time in the ministry. This is God’s work in us and it is by His design.

Everyone being moved from the role of an elder to that of an associate elder will be receiving this “form letter”, although, some few of you are being given more than this letter. For those receiving more direct correction where it is needed, you know some of the primary matters that must be addressed and changed in your life. Others will need to genuinely examine yourself before God to see it there are things that you need to address and change. Although there are still some of you who have consistently been moving forward and growing spiritually and the change for your role in the ministry is simply a matter of some of the other reasons listed, and not primarily of a matter of correction.

Lastly, is a matter of great importance to Laura and myself. We have loved working in a more direct manner with you due to your being in the ministry. In a short time, we have been through much together. We are so thankful for all the support and service you have given to us and God’s Church. That does not change simply because you are no longer in the role of an elder, but that of an associate elder. You are in God’s ministry and yet have much before you concerning service you can render to the Church. So again, thank you!

We continue to move forward together as a family. As there is still so much that is before us as a Church, and for Laura and myself, we need and are requesting your continued prayers and support for us and the Body of Christ.

The list left in the comments had 123 names of elders on it.  From that list, the Ministry page was created, linked at the top banner of the blog.

Of that list, 12 were demoted and 16 defrocked for a total of 28 names.  As Weinland mentioned 40, there are a dozen names which are yet to come out.

The following Senior Elders demoted to Elder: Jimmy Carlisle, Angela Hopkins, Lori Williams.  Jimmy was one of the first promoted to Senior Elder back in 2008 when Ron created the rank.  I understand that Lori is a childhood friend of Laura.  Angela Hopkins was formerly Angela Wrozek before divorcing Terry earlier in the year.

The following Elders demoted to Associate Elder: Tim Tiernan, Sandy Bays, Tim Brown, Sandy Czech, Curtis    Fields, Susan Illitch, Mark and Kalee Wiesman, Ken Zitt.  All of these are long-time members, from well before the first time the Great Tribulation didn’t start in 2008.

The following Elders removed completely: George Black, Gayle Blair, Maggie Carlisle, Bill Carr, Newt Carter, Engelien Henderson, Fredda Maeker, Sam Qualls, Karen Rode.  Fredda is a long-time member, going back to the 80’s and from West Texas was a member of one of the WCG congregations to which Ron was assigned when he was first hired.

The following Associate Elders were removed completely: Cookie Fields, Brandi Light-Siedentopf, Bob Madison, Kim Oaklund, Gerald Prutsman, Keith Prutsman, Beverly VanNorman.



  • Jay says:

    Ann went back to her maiden name of Hopkins

  • bilbo says:

    So it is disciplinary. The form letter reads like a corporation doing performance reviews. The whole spirit of it feels so different from anything in the bible.

    My guess is some independent thought alarms went off. Hopefully!

    Still throwing God’s name around like it’s his poker buddy or something. Lol.

  • Acts says:

    That’s it Ronald , Pace yourself with your Dedictation . It is going to be a Long Winter .

  • Sweetblood777 says:

    I gather from this writing that PKG’s income is being decimated and that Ron is taking steps to lessen the impact of having much less money to play with. This is good news for it will force those that were once living the ‘good’ life’ the opportunity to truly repent and leave this fraud of a work, and expose the lies once and for all.

  • Acts says:

    You Blasphemous Hypocrite ! You have NO Business speaking about God And Christ . You False Prophet ! You False Apostle !
    That Goes for you as well Laura , You False Prophet ! GREEEEEEDY IDOLS !

    Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

  • Acts says:

    Philippians 3
    8(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19Whose end is destruction, WHOSE GOD IS THEIR BELLY , and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

  • This is a rather standard ploy for corporate narcissists: Keep making broad sweeping changes to leave everyone confused — that way it will be much simpler to manipulate everybody. This is universal and it’s gone on for millennia.

    Since people in a cult absolutely must believe their scoundrel leader, when he makes changes that reverse what they believe, they must reconcile how to manage that. It causes brain malfunction, sort of like a short in electrical wiring. The resulting chaos results in apathy as they attempt to process the outright lies and contradictions and they try to make sense of it all — as if there really was any sense to it. [Witness such things as rulings on makeup, healing and birthdays.]

    This is particularly true now of the PKG: They are in shock — what they thought they knew has been thrown out and they must find a way to adapt. Their will has been sapped and they will be incapacitated with apathy. As a result, they will be reduced to mindless drones who have lost their compass: Up is down, left is right, right is wrong, wrong is right. This leaves them in a stupor, waiting for their latest list of marching orders. It also makes it next to impossible to leave, as they suspend their belief and just go on raw emotions — most of which are quite negative, resulting in depression.

    This is the standard move for psychopaths who are about to be caught in their own web of lies: Instead of having to withstand the consequences of their actions, they leverage the evil that they have done into success in their rotten pursuit of games playing dominance for fun and profit.

    Generally, but not always, this sort of ploy is followed by a demand for more money, since the Work is ‘threatened’, the troops need to ‘rally’, ‘sacrifices’ must be made and ‘the end’ is again very near as the cult gets close to the finish line to reap ultimate reward (which never materializes).

    This is a much better strategy than taking what’s left of the money and running away. Using this tactic will extend the misery indefinitely as crisis after crisis is manufactured to obliterate any resistance.

    It’s like being stuck in LARPing for decades with the most undesirable role imaginable and then finding that things have just gotten worse for you as you are trapped in a miserable existence with no foreseeable end.

  • Acts says:

    Sweetblood, when PKG Wakes up , And it will happen , Then it will be time for Ronald and his Family to jump into the pit he has dug as a family , all together . When their eyes open , And it will come , this is just a taste , then people are going to be very upset with them. Ronald has spent Two years now weaving his webs to avoid this , but he will not cover himself with them . When the people wake up the Tables will turn and Ron will become the spoil.

  • There are exactly two things that the PKG should NOT be confused about:

    1. Ronald Weinland is a duly convicted felon who is guilty of Income Tax Evasion;
    2. He is a false prophet.

    It’s simple.

    He does NOT deserve your support.

    But he does deserve your contempt.

  • martin says:

    So the Great Tribulation is going to start sometime in December of 2015, and Ron in his “wisdom” is going to retire a bunch of people, you know, the ones that are going to help with the millions of baptisms that will be coming.

    Genius, right?

  • martin says:

    I wonder what is up with Avol….I hope he’s ok and has got a life.

  • Acts says:

    Ron’s Tribulation has already begun . It started almost 7 years ago now when his first of MANY False prophesies did not come to pass.

    Earthquake after earthquake , this seems to be about a 4 in Magnitude at this point , but there are usually small quakes before the big one . Maybe a Magnitude 7 is on the way for PKG .

    You know what happens in Earthquakes , Ron ? People Wake up 😀

    Romans 2
    9Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile

  • Randy says:

    Me to Martin I like Avo he had a big heart !

  • Jocko says:

    Acts, That crazy bald head is at it again. I’ll bet the gossip will really be flowing among the groups meeting for today’s Sabbath services.

  • Acts says:

    PKG , you Must understand That Ronald Weinland is a IDOL made of clay , standing in front of the door. Christ is Knocking at the Door, If any Man open the door , Christ will come in and you will eat with Him. You have been eating plate fulls of unclean food served up on a platter from the devils seed.

    It is every Christians Duty to Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Ronald Weinland has replaced the word of God with his Filthy Garbage Word Which is Worthless! Pure Vanity.

    Isaiah 10
    16Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
    17And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;
    18And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer faints.
    19And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.
    Seek God and understand .

    PKG , it would be wise to consider how this relates to you and some of the other groups out there with their own version of Ron.
    Ron has taught you a perverted form of Gods Government, he has done violence to the Law of God. He is in Babylon with the Pope and he is your Pope! Standing in the way of the head of the Church Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5 : 22Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

    Ron has perverted the Word of God and you are drinking his Bad wine! Not the blood of your Passover Jesus Christ. Repent and understand his Word, and wake up to the reality of where you are . Your savior cries out! Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

  • Acts says:

    Jocko, I believe Ron said it best himself almost 7 years ago , ” and on an on it goes! “

  • Acts says:

    Jocko , no other song explains the plight of PKG , more than this one.

  • Jocko says:

    No chains around my feet but I’m not free.

    Those stiff necked fools need to open the door before it’s too late.

  • Acts says:

    The Beatles – While My Guitar Gently Weeps , would be a very close second .

  • Acts says:

    Too Right my friend.

  • Acts says:

    Get out and Run , and don’t look back. Do not partake in the sins of Ronald Weinland.

    Beware of The Leaven of Ronald Weinland.

  • Byker Bob says:

    It would be very easy for those of us who are on the outside to dismiss these demotions and loss of status as being nothing, since we know that Weinland’s entire ministry is garbage. But, sadly, this is something these people have thrown their entire beings into, possibly even their reason for living. In their world, and in their eyes, this looms huge! I am thinking most of them must be feeling mighty crestfallen. Some of them may be realizing that they have some important, life-changing decisions to make, and it wouldn’t be a bad idea for us to be remembering them in our prayers.


  • Ozymandias says:

    I do hope many got a forewarning. Just getting an email or letter can be rough.Especially for the ones that really feel they are very close to the Weinlands, or those who tried so hard to become an elder. I know it means a lot to many of them. Who knows what Ron has in mind down the line.He really doesn’t care much about the feelings of others only as it pertains to him. How many times over the years did he say if you were offended the fault was with you.He will expect anyone whose feelings are hurt to suck it up and get over it.

  • Acts says:

    BB, Ozy, I agree . Proverbs 6 :19 A false witness that speaks lies, and he that sows discord among brothers.

    And He Is Professional at it !

    People in PKG have based their Lives on what this man says . It is a Truly Horrible situation and a Complete (7) Abomination ! I was thinking of certain ones earlier and the toll this may take on them , And let’s not forget this is all done in the Name of God. It is Blasphemy !

  • Ozymandias says:

    I don’t personally know how much actual work each elder was expected to do. I’m sure some more than others, but just losing the title will be hard on some. If they were doing their jobs and turning in reports properly, and they were removed it may look as though they have done something wrong. He does say some are removed for correction, so it appears as though all removed are in this category. It may be the case that someone ill would fall into this category.

  • So sad says:

    If he chops all these elders, or downgrades them, doesn’t he run the risk of them being offended and potentially leaving? Just a thought…btw there are some names that are missing. Does that mean they were downgraded prior to the letter? I know the ones that are not on the list send in a substantial amount of money.

  • martin says:

    Ron is scum.

    He will use a person, and discard them if he feels threatened.

    Ron does not care.

  • Ozymandias says:

    This is just a little game for Ron. He must be bored in jail.

  • Acts says:

    So Sad Says ”doesn’t he run the risk of them being offended and potentially leaving?”

    This is Ron is his insane False Prophet Mind Measuring HIS Temple ,With his own Faulty BS Judgment . It it just one of the many moves he has made , That prove his delusion . The thing about Ron is , YES , he is a Theif and a Liar, but the hardest thing for people to believe here is , he is actually delusional! A lot of people just see Ron as a con man . He is more than that . The mindset of PKG is the crazier it gets the more God is separating them from the world and the other Scattered groups , and this has been going on from the beginning with all his new ”Truths” he has convinced the people that god has showed them new things , And they are all very far ahead of the game. Meanwhile they are all lost as long as they are following him. To most people Ronald is such a awful example of Con man who got caught and is now in jail for it, but there is more , he really believes all his filthy Garbage ! That’s why he has no problem destroying families and taking people’s money . Ron listens to Satan and does not care one bit about people , HE JUST DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO CARE. He has no understanding of the word Empathy! But here is a word he understands very well NEPOTISM ! He is a Fool! But in pkgs mind people here are just mockers who don’t get it. They do not realize that the Mocker of God is the one they have been following for years.

  • charlie says:

    sort of like the third reich during its last days

  • Acts says:

    Jude 1
    12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit wither, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaks great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration BECAUSE OF ADVANTAGE

    And boy do they Admire them like the king and queen ! Because right now you still have a little advantage , but listen close Laura , that advantage is coming to an end.

    PKG , this is where you come in
    22And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. You are in the fire already if you could only understand , wake up before you get burned .4Give no sleep to your eyes, Nor slumber to your eyelids; 5Deliver yourself like a gazelle from the hunter’s hand And like a bird from the hand of the fowler. 6Go to the ant, O sluggard, Observe her ways and be wise. It means wake up and start listening to God not Ron .

    7 years Ronald

    This is a year of Release. Plucked up by the Roots.

  • Acts says:

    Just to be real candid with you.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts I never thought about your statement about the crazier it gets the more God is separating them, but this is so very true. You actually feel even more “special” as time goes on. He uses a few catch phrases ( scriptures) that he twists to prove his point, and people feel closer than ever. Ron may be a bit of a con man but you’re correct , that’s not all he is. He is far more than that. The fact That HE believes is own BS as you put it , is why people are compelled to go along. Even though he has been proven wrong over and over. Also Ron is a very intelligent man. People are fooled by this. Years ago in WWCG people would buy clothes , cars, houses etc based on what the minister bought. There is an admiration there that is foolish but people can’t see it. Laura began wearing rings on every finger a few years ago, well guess what , ladies showed up with rings galore . If R&L went on a diet, a flock of ladies were on a diet. This is the way it has always been . It’s simple hero worship, but now things have gotten way out of control and people don’t see it. They just completely trust Ron. It’s a bad habit. Members feel Ron and Co. deserve everything they get, like its a gift from God. They don’t see that Ron is “gifting” himself. He truly doesn’t even care if people may have to go without , or drive a crappy car, or lose their spouse. You are correct in saying that he lacks empathy, but I don’t think he even has basic sympathy for anyone. It’s his way, or just get out. Yes it’s about the money, but it’s even more about stubborn pride on his part. He used to say he wouldn’t care if there were only ten of us left he would stick to his guns. We saw that as conviction, but it’s really just ugly pride. Ron WILL go down with his ship, but not for any noble reason. He is simply too prideful to admit he is wrong.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’ve added a ministry page linked at the top of the blog. Started with the list left in the comments, added Ron and Laura and some other notes. If any of the information is incorrect or I’ve left something important out, please let me know.

  • Acts says:

    Yes , the Fall of the Third or shall I say forth Reich. Same spirit there , people wrapped up in all that pomp and vain glory , Killing brothers and sisters , Just following orders from our dear leader for the greater good . Same evil behind all this ! They have their SS Ministry and the people are brainwashed !

    I heard Ron over the years brag about all his TIME in the Ministry and BLAH BLAH BLAH . Always lifting himself up while being a total hypocrite and preaching Humility . And on and on it goes…… All his new truth , They all think they are special special special !

    PKG , you need to go and read your Bible !
    1Corinthians 15
    33Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.” 34Wake up from your drunken stupor, as is right, and do not go on sinning. For some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame

  • Ozymandias says:

    I know many PKGers who think because they aren’t out murdering people they don’t really sin much. They don’t realize , you can murder with words and deeds. You can kill families. Kill young people. Kill the spirit in man. Ron has done this with his pride. We are supposed to live to the fullest the wonderful life God gave us, but Ron has people more worried about their stockpile of food than how they really live their lives. They spend more time gossiping and tearing down than they do building up. Waiting around to be glorified by Christ when he comes! And for what? What do we deserve glory for ? We should be it sack cloth and ashes for our prideful ways when he arrives. Ron does not set this example so none of his followers will be ready when the time comes. It’s all just talk with Ron. A box wrapped very pretty, but empty inside. PKG is empty but they don’t know it. Ron’s heart is hard, and this is his legacy to his flock.

  • Acts says:

    So True Ozy! And one more thing , you know what the Nazis started to do at the End ? When all was lost . The people , young and old that would not fight , They Killed ! They started to Kill their own people for their own Pride and Delusion.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Sort of like getting rid of the evidence. The evidence of how evil they really were . Kill everyone who knew anything. Ron appears to have a plan, but I think at this point it is the ramblings of a madman.He burnt down his own house and now is desperately trying to make it look like he planned it this way. This is not the plan of God ! He is not an author of confusion! RON IS THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION! Just look at the mess he has made of his church. You’re an elder, no you’re not an elder. Confusion, even for him.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts, you must keep in mind that many of Ron’s members are old Worldwide. They are used to nepotism as it went on with HWA. He claimed to have given the church to GTA. “on a platter”.Princes become Kings, Princesses become Queens. This IS the way of the world, and THIS is what the Children of Israel asked of Samuel. The church has FAR more worldly ways that it thinks it has. The elder “ranking” is a fine example of worldly and military ways. Working your way up and down the corporate ladder only to be made redundant when they are ” finished” with you. Only Ron’s family is safe. The Prince and Princess that the kingdom will be handed down to are safe. Ron has made their ascension to the throne completely clear. And by the way, if you don’t agree, get out. He said when they are in an area , they speak for the King. Therefore they are in charge. And to make it abundantly clear he made his daughter a prophet. True nepotism as you stated. PKGers don’t seem to have a problem with this. Any one who had a problem with running the church in such a worldly fashion is gone. The people who “blog” here are not all mockers. Some are that’s clear, but some just want the unabashed truth to be told however ugly it is. Some are casual observers but some of us lived the life and are NOT mocking it but rather exposing what we individually know to be true or untrue as the case may be. I have no hatred for Ron or any man , but we are NOT to hide our light under a basket and WISH things were different. We ALL must answer individually to God as has given us utterance. This is how we will be judged when the time is here.

  • Byker Bob says:

    The membership of all the ACOGs misuse and exploit the Gideon “paring down” example to explain lack of growth, and the people leaving.


  • Acts says:

    Ozy , I agree , and as I said before , I do not wish anyone harm or wrong , even Ron. I would much rather see him repent and make things right with everyone. I am not here because of revenge or hatred . I am here as you said , We must all shine a Light on this situation Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

    God says the leaders will not be reproved by his Word and they bring destruction on themselves.

    Ron should take heed, so should the other groups . There are a lot of examples where God destroys peoples Children because of disobedience and leading people astray . I do not wish this for them , but it would do them well to have a little fear for what they have done.

    one example is in Samuel
    1 Samuel 2: 12 Now the sons of Eli were worthless men who did not know the LORD.
    Go see what happened to them .

    Then there is the Passover . This is what really concerns me. Ronald should Take heed ! God does not take this stuff lightly . Again i do not wish this on anyone , but Ron and Laura may end up paying a heavy Price for their Games.

    Exodus 11:1 Now the LORD had said to Moses, “I will bring one more plague on Pharaoh and on Egypt. After that, he will let you go from here, and when he does, he will drive you out completely

    Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

  • Or — and I personally think this is the case — the Weinlands, yeah verily and forsooth all of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia, have been warned and warned and warned. Yet they have chosen to go on their way, mocking those who have said, “Judgment, if any, awaits”, and they dismiss those who oppose the madness of the false prophet. There is no excuse.

    And so — I think — it is like the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, where said rich man faced the fire and begged to warn others, only to be told that it was too late and if they did not believe the teachers, prophets and Scripture, they wouldn’t listen to anyone, even someone returned from the dead.

    So here we have the fields of tares with their gaily waving heads with a few stalks of wheat sown mixed in, in small quantities here and there, that some enemy has sown for spite to irritate the sower of the tares.

    God is finished with the Armstrongists — not that He even ever started — and He has walked away to leave them quite alone so that when the final jeopardy judgment occurs, they will be winnowed out and thrown into the Lake of Fire and they will have absolutely positively no excuse whatsoever.

    They will all burn and be gone forever.

  • Acts says:

    “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem, look around and consider, search through her squares. If you can find but one person who deals honestly and seeks the truth, I will forgive this city.
    Jeremiah 5:1

  • Ozymandias says:

    DB, I have been part of the Churches of God in one form or another for 41 years . I have gleaned much from the ministers over the years. Most of them are long since gone back into the world or where ever they landed after the splits. I do feel at this point much of it was love on my part or simply a waste of my time.God was still good to me even though my love was sadly misplaced. At some point I began to doubt one thing or another but stayed much longer out of habit. I knew in my heart that there was goodness somewhere , but looking back I was happy with very little from the COGS. Perhaps pride on my part made me stay. Perhaps fear, I don’t know. What I do know, was when I decided to leave a very peaceful and wonderful feeling came over me. I knew I was long since done with all the nonsense, and felt really good for the first time in a while. Still , I feel sorry for those who stay and continue to follow men like Ron. Pride is a very powerful emotion and the COGS are filled with it. It utterly blinds them to the truth. Its like pulling a thread on a garment, you may not stop until the entire thing has unraveled. You begin with the falicy in Ron’s church and keep going until you end with HWA. Just like the tares and wheat, you know there is a little truth there but from where you stand gazing out over the field is is not apparent. It’s a struggle to regain or finally learn all that God wants for us , and there are a million opinions on every subject. Even in the blog many people do not agree. We have simply agreed to disagree. I look forward to the day when Christ returns and all our questions are answered. The COGS have long since stopped asking questions as they all think they have all truth There is no growth at all just a bunch of lunatics shuffling the deck around to make it look like they have new truth.i don’t know if I feel the Armstrongists are any more guilty than any other false religion on Earth. I think God will allow everyone a chance to see what they are before the end. God says we have all come short of the glory of God. Perhaps the GOGS are no more guilty than anyone else. The ministry may be a different story.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Here is the report card for ACOG members:

    Seeking God’s will, and being willing to follow: A+ No question about this one. Attitude is generally right on.

    Using critical thinking in identifying God’s teachers and will: F

    Holding leaders accountable: F

    There is no spiritual enlightenment or higher level of consciousness to Armstrongism. Pay, obey, and pray does not lead to the type of enlightenment from which there can be no fall.


  • Ozymandias, it’s all about the mental noise the Armstrongists generate. It’s like birds at the airport: At first, the noise scares them, but then they settle in and nest, having become used to the noise. Of course, it does neither the birds nor the eggs much good. Then one day, the birds migrate and SUDDENLY they can hear a whole new world.

    What you experienced upon leaving is what the rest of us experience: The mental noise is gone. There’s no more of that noisy prophecy about to come crashing down; there’s no more British Israelism to stimulate noise in the brain from all the noisy imagery it evokes about the fall of the United States and British Commonwealth, the invasion of the Germans, World War III. None of that is even a whisper.

    And in the absence of noise there is peace.

    Heck, after awhile it may get so quiet, you might be able to listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit and you might actually have a shot at knowing God as The Father, in the absence of the noise of idolatry and physical ritual, accompanied by demands that you send money so the Work of generating more noise can prosper.

  • Pay, obey, pray and go my way, for I shall lead you into the Kingdom!

    The man who said that he’d lead us into the Kingdom in 1971 died in 1986 and won’t be leading anyone anywhere but the grave (and possibly the Lake of Fire).

  • Acts says:

    What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the farmers, and will give the vineyard to others.

  • Randy says:

    No man will know only the father , not Ron, LaurA , Audria or Jerimey, all they know is the money !!!! My prophets will be humble in cloth sacks not $1700 suits

  • Randy says:

    Asked Laura what she did with th $3,000 the lady from Wisconsin payed back to her just look at the facts in the court doc she put it in her own account !! Please bitch tell them the truth ! Tell them how u spent 4.5 million on personal expenses in 3 years , and these people of PKG gave you all , so sad ! If you people don’t have nothing now get a Laywer and go after them they are crooks the Weindland family mafia !

  • FedUp says:

    Byker Bob,

    I share your concern about the people who have been demoted. This will come as a huge blow to most, though to some it might actually be a relief. Imagine them having to show their faces at Sabbath services this weekend.

    I hope those who feel humiliated will take it as an opportunity to walk away.

  • Acts says:

    Blessing in disguise . Ron cannot help but destroy himself with everything he says and does. It is just a matter of Time .

    19And it come to pass, when he hears the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of my heart, to add drunkenness to thirst: 20The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie on him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven

  • Acts says:

    The LORD shall send on you cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that you set your hand to for to do, until you be destroyed, and until you perish quickly; because of the wickedness of your doings, whereby you have forsaken me.

  • Yes. Demoted. How long will it take you to figure out you weren’t all that much in the first place.

    It’s impossible to be competent in a dysfunctional environment.

    Take the ego hit, get over it and leave: It’s the only way you can live up to your potential and thumb your nose at the insane lying false prophet convicted felon.

    And you’re following him?

    Get a clue.

  • Ozymandias says:

    For the ones that are ill or elderly there will be an obvious explanation, but the others may look guilty of something. Their only guilt may be that they’re not ass kissers.

  • Acts says:

    There really is no excuse for anyone at this point after all that has happened. I was completely ensnared by this man years ago. It was all the signs and Wonders that took my eye off the ball. Ronald continues with those signs and wonders till this day. May 27 2012 was a wake up call, but even after that, it took time .The only way is to open your bible and seek God in Faith. Right now you are just following a man and a False prophet many times over! More than that your following a Man who blasphemes Gods Name by perverting his Law. He is nothing but an idol that you helped create. Open your eyes and Smash that Idol ! Now is the time to wake up and seek your God till he come and rain Righteousness upon you. You cannot reconcile what Ron has done with Scripture. Scripture is there for Correction and Instruction in Righteousness 2Timothy 3:16 . You have put an Idol in front of Gods word and you will suffer till that idol is put away.

    Ezekiel 11:21
    But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Lord

  • Ozymandias says:

    People think idols are made of wood or stone, but an idol is anything that you put before God. Taking Ron’s word for everything is making an idol of him. PKG ask yourself , are you able to voice a concern, have a different opinion, read material of your choice? The answer is NO! Ron is AFRAID of these things! He knows he will be proven false if anyone is allowed to ask questions. He has told you emphatically NOT to ask questions or discuss something after he has made a ruling. Why is he afraid? Because he has no real foundation to MUCH of what he preaches! Have faith in God , be brave and look into Ron.

  • juror bags says:

    “and for Laura and myself, we need and are requesting………….”

    This statement Ron made just really seems to jump out for some reason. Maybe because it is all about them? These few words really sums it up well.

  • Acts says:

    Agree. The worst part is the people are never able to bring forth Fruit And realize their full potential because they are under a Babylonian Government . Ron is the Papa! And everyone is expected to kiss the Ring ! It is not at all the Government of Christ. Colossians 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence

    But Ron just loves to have the Preeminence , just as Diotrephes in 3 John 1:9, John himself said not to be like this evil man, that’s the same John that Ron claims to be a counterpart ! I mean the hypocrisy never ends ! Yes ! All about Them, they just love to have people worshiping at their feet .

    When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

  • Ron is the Papa!

    Ron is more the Don; Ron the Don — has a ring to it, doesn’t it.

    Yes, kissing the ring also happens in the Mafia, I understand.

    Weinland, the Godfather.

    And of course, just like other Mafia Dons, Weinland couldn’t be prosecuted for his crimes, so the IRS got him on Income Tax Evasion.

    The Weinland Don Corleone crime family: Prosecuted, not persecuted.

  • Those who were demoted or ejected should be grateful they didn’t wake up in bed with a horse’s head.

    Of course, with Weinland, we’d expect the other end of the horse.

  • Byker Bob says:

    There are very few people whom I feel would experience tangible benefits from that downward spiral skid greaser known as medical marijuana. However, it probably would do wonders for the Weinland family. They’d be the notable exception.


  • Randy says:

    What up mike ?

  • Acts says:

    Ezekiel 14
    7For every one of the house of Israel or of the Stranger that sojournes In Israel , Which separates himself from me, and sets up his idols in his heart, and puts the stumbling block of his iniquity before his face, and comes to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself: 8And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the middle of my people; and you shall know that I am the LORD.

    There you have it PKG , You cannot ride into the Kingdom on the coattails of anyone , Including False prophets !!!!! False prophets will be destroyed for their sin.
    Ronald , you should fear and Repent
    9And if the prophet be deceived when he has spoken a thing, I THE LORD HAVE DECEIVED THAT PROPHET , and I will stretch out my hand on him, and will destroy him from the middle of my people Israel. 10And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeks to him

    Why you might ask would God do that ? Because you transgress his LAW !
    2 Thessalonians 2 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
    Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears on them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they DID EVIL before my eyes, AND CHOSE. That in which I delighted not.

  • Acts says:

    PKG, It is Pride that blinds you to these things . There is NO excuse. You are Ignorant of The word of God, but as for Ron’s Word , you can’t wait to hear his Vanity .

    Let me remind you of Ron’s Word

    And again


    And on an on it Goes
    Listen to what Ronald says from the 36 minute mark on
    That was about 5 months before May 27 2012

    Ezekiel 13:7
    7Have you not seen a vain vision, and have you not spoken a lying divination, whereas you say, The LORD said it; albeit I have not spoken?

  • bilbo says:

    Now matter how many times I listen to his past speeches, it’s astonishing.

    Ronald is one of the most brazen liars and confidence artists I have ever met.

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 9:16
    For those who guide this people are leading them astray; And those who are guided by them are brought to confusion.

    Ezekiel 7:15
    Outside is the sword; inside are plague and famine.

  • charlie says:

    i take it that will rogers never met ron weinland

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Will was lucky.

  • bilbo says:

    “Pope Francis condemned priests and laity who turn their parishes into a “business” by charging for things such as baptisms, blessings and Mass intentions – calling it a scandal that’s hard to forgive.”

    “But there are two things that the people of God cannot forgive: a priest attached to money and a priest who mistreats people. This they cannot forgive! It is scandalous…”

  • swooncologne says:

    ugh so tired of this ancient fossil spewing nonsense God willing those men,woman,old,young,poor,and rich are all free all at once and infront of his eyes his only thought would be “oh no, my money is escaping”

  • bilbo says:


    The Catholic Church, allegedly the great satan, has gotten more cleanup from Pope Francis than any of the “Only True Church” cults I’ve seen or experienced.

    Ronald is “cleansing the temple” by selecting his most reliable hirelings and dupes while smirking at everybody.

    Francis is “cleansing the temple” by, uh, actually dealing with the corruption.

    Being showed up by the one church you allege to be most satanic in the earth, has got to be embarassing 🙂

  • Acts says:

    It is going to happen , it is a promise from God to all these false leaders , In his time , he will crush the Idols .

    Isaiah 33
    1Woe to you that spoil, and you were not spoiled; and deal treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with you! when you shall cease to spoil, you shall be spoiled; and when you shall make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with you.

    14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

  • Acts says:

    Raise the banner , Blow the horn ! all the Mighty Dignitaries are coming to Town ! The Prince and the Princess are coming! Roll out the Purple and Scarlet carpet ! Let all the congregation bow down and PAY Homage . Everyone hold their tongue at the presence of the newly formed prophet and Germany’s fearless leader . The great and mighty Wayne is here too ! Bow down to the ambassadors from Australia.
    Put a smile on your face PKG and Drink your wine and forget ALL your troubles for a while .

    Proverbs 31
    Give strong drink to the one who is perishing,
    and wine to those in bitter distress;
    let them drink and forget their POVERTY
    and remember their misery no more.

  • I don’t see how anyone could compare the Pope to Ronald Weinland.

    The Pope is beyond compare.

    And hasn’t been a convicted felon.

  • Acts says:

    A Heightened Dedication to Blasphemy Part 2 is up.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    *NOTE: A few of you have been asking where I am. Really busy is the answer. Everything is fine, the family is thriving, and I am as under-worked/overpaid as always! My daughters are thriving, my wife has expanded her cooking/life skills school, and unfortunately my beloved cat has died. But in her place we have a new, even fluffier future Queen to patrol the house, a Persian kitten. All my toys are gone, having been sold off to keep on adding to the orphanage we built and sponsor, so my wife is trying to get me to replace my Sunday rides and drives with yoga and Tai Chi and health stuff, which I hate. I just want to lay around and watch movies with the cat -who likes to comb through my beard looking any potential leftovers. And yes, I am still as much of an atheist as before and she is still a devout (religious) Zen Buddhist!

    Now, as for Ron…

    LOL! All these elders that were ordained because “GOD” was absolutely for sure going to bring millions of people to Weinfraud’s church to be baptized are now getting canned because God LIED and changed his mind. Remember… Ron himself said all this that “GOD” is doing now, thinning the herd, COULD NOT “NOT” HAPPEN, could NOT be stopped… he said it was going to happen and not even GOD HIMSELF…literally could change it, as it was “Prophecy” or His Will!!

    And once again, Ronald Weinland is swelling the ranks of my fellow atheists by preaching a GOD only an idiot would be scared of. I feel sorry for all you Christians out there. He has taken the God of the Bible and turned Him from a Universal Force to an 4 billion year old man with dementia. Long gone is the Abrahamic God that would not be defied… Ron has replaced Him with ” Huh? Did I say that? I don’t remember… wait! What years is this? How come the sky is blue? I love pancakes!!”

    Ahhh…the COG-PKG… where Ron is a criminal, GOD changes His unchangeable mind, Jesus Christ can’t figure out what He is doing… and Audra is a PROPHET!!

  • Randy says:

    Glad your all right and things are going great buddy !

  • Randy says:

    Can you stop in and say hi !

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Hi Randy! Hello all! I’m still here – but don’t visit here often anymore. I’ve started back working 3 days a week, until Xmas anyway.

    All well here, Corey will be 3 in Feb – such a delight!

    Lots of love to you all!

    Hope all my American friends had a lovely thanksgiving 🙂