Hubris

I ran across this article which led to an “Aha” moment.  Hubris Syndrome combines aspects of different personality disorders, such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Histrionic Personality Disorder.

—————The symptoms of hubris syndrome, from a scholarly article: ————–

Proposed criteria for hubris syndrome, and their correspondence to features of cluster B personality disorders in DSM-IV
1. A narcissistic propensity to see their world primarily as an arena in which to exercise power and seek glory; NPD.6
2. A predisposition to take actions which seem likely to cast the individual in a good light—i.e. in order to enhance image; NPD.1
3. A disproportionate concern with image and presentation; NPD.3
4. A messianic manner of talking about current activities and a tendency to exaltation; NPD.2
5. An identification with the nation, or organization to the extent that the individual regards his/her outlook and interests as identical; (unique)
6. A tendency to speak in the third person or use the royal ‘we’; (unique)
7. Excessive confidence in the individual’s own judgement and contempt for the advice or criticism of others; NPD.9
8. Exaggerated self-belief, bordering on a sense of omnipotence, in what they personally can achieve; NPD.1 and 2 combined
9. A belief that rather than being accountable to the mundane court of colleagues or public opinion, the court to which they answer is: History or God; NPD.3
10. An unshakable belief that in that court they will be vindicated; (unique)
11. Loss of contact with reality; often associated with progressive isolation; APD 3 and 5
12. Restlessness, recklessness and impulsiveness; (unique)
13. A tendency to allow their ‘broad vision’, about the moral rectitude of a proposed course, to obviate the need to consider practicality, cost or outcomes; (unique)
14. Hubristic incompetence, where things go wrong because too much self-confidence has led the leader not to worry about the nuts and bolts of policy; HPD.5
  • APD = Anti-Social Personality Disorder; HPD = Histrionic Personality Disorder; NPD = Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

In making the diagnosis of hubris syndrome we suggest that ≥3 of the 14 defining symptoms should be present of which at least one must be amongst the five components identified as unique.

—– Back to discussion —————-

Here are some characteristics that Weinland displays from the list above:

  •  (#6 unique) I have heard Weinland use the royal “we”, as in “we believe”.
  • (#7 NPD) Although Ron talks about “walking side by side to God’s house in counsel-blended sweet”, at the end of the day he’s not willing to accept the advice or criticism of others .
  • (#8 NPD) He has an exaggerated self-belief in what he can achieve (#8).  Millions of people will still yet join his church.
  • (#9 NPD) Weinland thinks he only answers to God.
  • (#10 unique) Ron had the hubris to think he could take the witness stand in court and get off.  Instead he just made himself look even worse, bragging about the suit the church paid for that he was wearing to court on non-church business.  And his explanations for his Swiss bank account.
  • (#14 HPD)  Ron left the nuts-and-bolts of financial accounting to Laura.

With 6 characteristics 2 of them being “unique”, in my opinion Weinland meets the criteria for a diagnosis of Hubris Syndrome.  Perhaps some of my readers more familiar with him could add to this list.

 

90 Comments

  • Thanks for bringing that up — it is a valuable addition to my arsenal. (You may note that I brought up hubris before, but not in such a targeted manner.

    It should be noted that while APD, HPD and NPD are in the DSM-5, Hubris Syndrome is not, and that is probably because most mental health professionals would use APD, HPD and NPD for their diagnosis.

    It is doubtful that there is any treatment for this Syndrome, since those afflicted by it — not unlike NPD and psychopathy — do not WANT to be cured (“I’m just fine, thanks” and “I see no need to change”).

    Note the Journal comment, “Unlike most personality disorders, which appear by early adulthood, we view hubris syndrome as developing only after power has been held for a period of time”, as significant.

    You may also note The Winner Effect about North Korean Dictator Kim Jong-Un at the Psychology Today website — note the end of the article:

    “But the most worrying symptom of power in the current crisis is its god effects. Gods are invulnerable. Gods are not constrained by the laws of nature. Gods are immortal.

    “We should be worried.”

    Particularly if said leader is the head of a cult which is supposedly destined to be God as God is God.

    Conald Swineland God?

    There’s a disgusting idea for the future.

  • Acts says:

    Strong Delusion with a Heightened Dedication to Rebellion and Apostasy .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34boxNrqL8

    Severe presumptuousness accompanied by extreme Arrogance.

  • charlie says:

    so ron is going to run for president ?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron wouldn’t be happy with the demotion from being #3 in the universe.

  • Acts says:

    Ron , Do you Realize False Prophets are going into the lake of Fire? Laura , Do You?

  • Acts says:

    So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven–except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.

  • martin says:

    What was really tragic is when Ron quoted the bible passage about trees being cut down and thrown into the fire.

    Ron explained this had to do with “money” ie the economy going down in “flames” as it were.

    Poor Ron, if he had only read the ENTIRE parable he would have seen it referred to false prophets, of which he is one.

  • Acts says:

    absolutely
    [ab-suh-loot-lee, ab-suh-loot-] Spell Syllables
    Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    adverb
    1.
    without exception; completely; wholly; entirely:
    You are absolutely right.
    2.
    positively; certainly.
    3.
    (of a transitive verb) without an object.
    interjection
    4.
    (used emphatically to express complete agreement or unqualified assent):
    Do you think it will work? Absolutely!

  • Acts says:

    The Execution of Judgment , April 1, 2011
    By Ronald Weinland

    A “Time” of Judgment
    Tomorrow is the beginning of a new period of time for this end-time. It is a “time” of 40 weeks in the “complete judgment” to be executed upon the scattered nations of Israel and upon the Israel of God (the Church) that was scattered. The whole world will suffer during this period, but the focus is upon both physical and spiritual Israel.

    In the past, I have not had the need to write much in the postings on this site. That will all begin to change as we are entering a new stage in time. The Thunders will increase in far greater magnitude and frequency and the first few Trumpets will sound with great devastation to follow.

  • Ronco says:

    Just my opinion…

    I’m willing to believe that it’s distantly possible folks like Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry MIGHT be delusional enough to believe they are who they say they are…

    With Ron, I believe he knows he’s just pulling one big joke on the sheep (and laughs to himself at their plight), content in the belief that there is no judgment in the end and he’s just gonna have a good time at their expense until he meets the grave.

    Here you go, Acts- Ecclesiastes 9

    9 Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

    10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

  • Acts says:

    Ron’s not laughing , Ron’s in Jail , and His little World That he created is not going to last much longer.

  • Ronco says:

    “Ron’s not laughing , Ron’s in Jail , and His little World That he created is not going to last much longer.”

    Let’s hope so.

  • Acts says:

    Shockey , how long will you sleep old friend?

  • Acts says:

    Poverty coming soon. Not talking money.

  • Acts says:

    Speaking of Money , Laura Gail , who’s going to pick up the bag money with all the Snow and ice ?

  • Acts says:

    How about you Steve D , when will you wake up ?

  • Acts says:

    Ezekiel 7:14
    14’They have blown the trumpet and made everything ready, but no one is going to the battle, for My wrath is against all their multitude. 15’The sword is outside and the plague and the famine are within. He who is in the field will die by the sword; famine and the plague will also consume those in the city.…

  • Acts says:

    Amos 8:11
    11″Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord GOD, “When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. 12″People will stagger from sea to sea And from the north even to the east; They will go to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, But they will not find it.

    How about you Wayne ??????? Heard your coming to Town . Who knows maybe you will get an eye full?

  • Acts says:

    Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzSO2IOjmu0

  • J says:

    I figure Ron uses “we” in order to shift blame and to maintain control. If he kept saying “I” at his followers until the prophecy fails, then the spotlight is on him. But with “we”, he distributes the ownership of the lies onto everyone else. When the prophecy fails, it’s because God is testing them or doesn’t find them faithful enough, yadda yadda.

  • Randy says:

    Hahaha the asshole prophet said the high price oil and a falling Dallor , and crash stock market ! The Dallor is strong, oil is cheap, and stock market at record high best month in history of stock market and he said all this about 5 years ago, I could see a young dumb ass prophet like Audria saying this ! 3 great prophet of God Ron,Laura and Audria send more money they will start writing horoscope for you guys

  • So, for the good of the order, here are the seven habits of chronically unhappy people.

    It seems to fit the PKG.

    Especially the gossip part.

  • Randy says:

    Laura can write a gossip column and Ron can write for a Chinnesse fortune cookie company Audria can get a job for Brinks run money to the bank !!!!!

  • Randy says:

    The PKG people are afraid to miss church because there afraid they will talk about them, like the do everyone else !

  • Randy says:

    I told my mom the other night she was stupid to fallow this crooks she got mad at me but when Laura called Joyce stupid she didn’t say a word !

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I would back off a bit. No one ever convinced anyone of anything by insulting them.

  • Jay says:

    I have heard on from a friend who is a elder in pkg and not very happy about the chopping block that has started. They told me that Anne Wrozek & Lori Williams have been bumped from senior elders to elders. Must be on God’s (Ron) bad side. The also said letters where sent out to those getting the ax. Couldn’t even call them personally. Cowards. What happened to its Gods will that they were ordained. Ha just proves who is making the calls and it ain’t God. I told them they should post this letter so pkg members could see what is really going on.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Jay I thought about that as well. It must be GODS will that they get demoted. GOD must have made a mistake when HE ordained them. Just like HE did Ron. No wait, you’re correct IT AINT GOD making mistakes, it’s Ron. Christ would have paid his taxes.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I had noticed that Laura scheduled a trip to Dallas in January but Ann Wrozek wasn’t going. Which would be an opportunity for her to visit one of her sons. Her demotion explains things.

    Instead, Beth is going and she’s still a senior elder. Maybe she’ll be a pastor soon.

  • Randy says:

    They called here and told mom I could not spell witch I cant and told her I was dumb , But like I said it takes comin since

  • Ozymandias says:

    Mike, if Ann is still sick she wouldn’t be of USE to Ron or Laura. She was ill much of the last 7 or 8 years. Ron and Laura like people of use to them. No good if you can’t drop everything when they want. They may want more from people than they are able or willing to give.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Randy, funny they were able to figure out everything you said though even if you can’t spell. You get your point across.

  • martin says:

    Buffalo, NY got 5 FEET of snow a few days ago.

    Did blind false prophet Ron prophesy this?

    (yeah, he had that ambiguous prophecy about weather getting worse, but nothing specific, Moses was specific..day…place…plague….etc…)

  • Swooncologne says:

    just when i think it cant get any crazier , speaking of the Wrozeks whatever happened to Terry? anyone have a update?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Haven’t heard anything about Terry since he was df’ed last year and divorced this year.http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/?p=5010

  • Jocko says:

    Martin, In some areas of upstate New York it was six feet of snow with the forecast calling for additional accumulations of one to two feet. So much for global warming.

    Randy, My friend’s father only had a third grade education but he was a very wise man. Spelling doesn’t mean squat when it comes to wisdom. We all know what you’re saying and so do they and they’re not happy about it because it’s the truth.

    I also know people with college degrees who don’t have a single ounce of common sense.

    The truth shall set you free PKG. Open your eyes and you shall see. Open your ears and you shall hear. Use the free thinking mind the Lord has given you to break through the bondage of this wicked cult which has imprisoned so many of God’s people.

  • Swooncologne says:

    Ron ruined his life and he was twice the man he was and way more charismatic…sad really

  • martin says:

    So many people trapped by the stupidest ploy of all : The “because I said so” ploy.

    There are people who claim to be Christ, the proof? because they said so.

    Ron claims to be one of the Two Witnesses? Laughable. What proof is there? Because he said so, nothing else.

    What prophecy has HE HIMSELF fulfilled?
    There are explicit prophecies that say what the Two Witnesses DO. Has Ron done a single one of them? NOT ONE.
    Add to this the failure of EVERY PROPHECY that has come out of his mouth.

    PKGers are without excuse.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Martin, even with the ” because I said so” ploy you would have to be correct at least once in a while. Ron hasn’t been correct about anything yet. He’ s the one who got the 3.5 years of tribulation, that he brought on himself. Up until 2012 you could say we”ll see. But after that we had no excuse for believing a word he said. He is just a bad habit.

  • Swooncologne says:

    Sometimes I wonder if Ron is insane, the Weinland family know it, but just let it slide since the cash flow is so good .They don’t look happy at all Audra and Laura look miserably sad 8/10 even before old shifty eyes was locked up…they couldn’t run to Europe don’t think he will be at idea city after he bombed that letter back to him classic I’m wondering what is the end game to this.

  • FedUp says:

    Hey, Randy! At least we know they’re all on here reading this blog! Didn’t Ron forbid that?

    DISOBEYING RON AND READING THIS BLOG. Shame on you, you lurking PKG members.

    Since you’re comfortable disobeying Ron and reading posts here, by all means join the conversation and defend your prophets!

    We’re waiting. We know you’re there. We can hear you breathing.

  • Randy says:

    Amen fedUp

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron has people that he ” allows” to read the blog. People without a life outside of PKG. Folks so deep in the quicksand ,he doesn’t worry. He doesn’t allow “the general population” ( pardon the prison term) to read anything that may sway their thinking.

  • Ozymandias says:

    How many times did he yell for all the bloggers to ” get a life ” go fishing. He’s not worried about any of. HIS people having a life outside of PKG. Ron wants to be their whole life.

  • Jay says:

    Did pkg think when they started changing what God (Ron) ordained that some of the elders would wise up and see something ain’t right. Open up your bibles people. Prove us wrong here.

    Lori Williams son Bo & Libby are no longer elders either. Hopefully this means they have left. And maybe Lori is getting smart and seeing what is really going on so they demoted her. Also told Jimmy Carlisle from Texas demoted from senior elder to elder. If you look close to see who is being removed or demoted you will see power plays being done. They weak or not so trust worthy are being replaced or gotten rid of. Pride comes before the fall and looks like the falling is starting.

  • Randy says:

    Do you think they (the demoted Elders)spoke out Agianst Audria be a Prophet? I’m still laughing about it what’s next there dog will be an Elder ??

  • Randy says:

    And put the dog on the pay roll !

  • Ozymandias says:

    Jay , as I said , some are deeper into the quicksand than others. Ron gave all these titles without thinking , now he will have to keep ALL these people in line. Can you imagine the nightmare of people doing what THEY think is right? He gave them the title of ministers and said “they were found worthy”, then gave them very little to do except a “report” to him. He had way too many cooks spoiling the soup. He may demote the ones he knows he won’t lose.

  • martin says:

    I don’t how ANY PKGer could accept the ludicrous doctrine that Christ was a created being.

    I hear people say that this is a non-issue. I don’t know how they could say that. It’s a heresy.

    So accepting any old heresy is not a problem? Look at the ocean of heresies they accept because of this doctrine.

  • martin says:

    Don’t PKG read their bibles?

    Micah 5:2 (KJV)
    2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; ****whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. ******

    The bible clearly states that Jesus was eternal.

  • Ronco says:

    Martin said “I don’t how ANY PKGer could accept the ludicrous doctrine that Christ was a created being.”

    Jehovah’s Witlessess are famous for teaching just that- they even have their own Bible trashlation to help support the doctrine!

    I suspect Ron put this teaching out to separate the sheep from the goats- those who follow him blindly vs those who might dare to question…

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Maybe this means that Gary is also finally demoted? It will hurt his pride, but not for long. I still think he’ll follow Ron right into the fire and believe that he’ll be saved. He used to tell me that if Ron told him to jump off the roof cause Christ was returning tomorrow that he would. I would laugh and say, “better learn how to use a wheel chair”. Then he would turn even more verbally abusive.

  • Acts says:

    Not promoting the man speaking or his group , Just see it as an accurate WITNESS of the situation . Shows the Hubris of both Ronald E Weinland and David C Pack. The same Spirit is behind them, and it is NOT God and Jesus Christ .

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1uS8pDG-zk

    Daniel 11:14 the robbers of your people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

    11:39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god ( False Christ ), whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall DIVIDE THE LAND FOR GAIN .

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 56:

          9All you beasts of the field,
                All you beasts in the forest,
                Come to eat.

          10His watchmen are blind,
                All of them know nothing.
                All of them are mute dogs unable to bark,
                Dreamers lying down, who love to slumber;

          11And the dogs are greedy, they are not satisfied.
                And THEY ARE SHEPHERDS WHO HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING ;
                They have all turned to their OWN WAY ,
                Each one to his unjust gain, to the last one.

  • bilbo says:

    That is a good video Acts. The man explains the situation very very well. Everybody in pkg should watch it and really think about what’s going on.

  • bilbo says:

    They’re all virtually the same scheme, a franchise copied from the same blueprint!

  • Acts says:

    They all say the same Thing. I remember Ron feeling very lifted up back in 08 when people started to flock in to PKG because of his False Book and False predictions . The people coming in were a sign to him that God was with him. I wonder if the people going out is a sign to him that god is not with him? haha we know that’s not true!

    Proverbs 1:32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the PROSPERITY of fools shall destroy them.

    Remember Ron’s False prophecy back in 08 , when the last pope ,before he retired 🙂 came to NY ?

    Ron said the pope was possessed by Satan when he came to NY , He and his wife were in Israel waiting for their job to start 🙂 amazing how fast people forget these things.

    Now the new Pope is coming to America in Sept next year , I wonder if Ronald will work that into his new Timeline? 😀 sure he will. SIGNS AND WONDERS!

  • Acts says:

    Striking Resemblance old sport . Same Government too!

  • eyesopening says:

    upset elder posting

    chopping block part 1

    Senior Evangelist Johnny Harrell
    Senior Evangelist Wayne Matthews
    Evangelist Willem Henderson
    Senior Elder Garth Blake
    Senior Elder Beth Bucheit
    Senior Elder Jimmy Carlisle elder
    Senior Elder Greg Chipps
    Senior Elder David Conley
    Senior Elder Patty Dalrymple
    Senior Elder Steve Dalrymple
    Senior Elder Lynette Eckhardt
    Senior Elder Doris Giles
    Senior Elder Myrtle Harrell
    Senior Elder Angela Hopkins elder
    Senior Elder Jim Jamieson
    Senior Elder Chris Matthews
    Senior Elder Leonard McGlynn
    Senior Elder William Milne
    Senior Elder Audra Weinland
    Senior Elder Jeremy Weinland
    Senior Elder Lori Williams elder
    Senior Elder Mitch Williams
    Elder Geneva Abraham
    Elder Sandy Bays assoc
    Elder George Black removed
    Elder Gayle Blair removed
    Elder Tim Brown assoc
    Elder Phillip Bruner
    Elder Pat Cameron
    Elder Maggie Carlisle removed
    Elder Bill Carr removed
    Elder Diana Carr
    Elder Newt Carter removed
    Elder Jimmie Coleman
    Elder Shelley Conley
    Elder Chris Czech
    Elder Sandy Czech assoc
    Elder Don Edwards
    Elder Jacque Edwards
    Elder Curtis Fields assoc
    Elder Glen Gagas
    Elder Matthew Garratt
    Elder Paul Giles
    Elder Jodi Habel
    Elder Caroline Henderson
    Elder Engelien Henderson removed
    Elder Susan Illitch assoc
    Elder Pam Johnson
    Elder Mike Knopp
    Elder Travis & Debra Luksich
    Elder Fredda Maeker removed
    Elder John Masterson
    Elder Una Milne
    Elder Charmaine Muller
    Elder Diane Newell
    Elder Laura Pena
    Elder Sam Qualls removed
    Elder Karen Rode removed
    Elder Charles Rosenberger
    Elder Joey Shockey
    Elder Sarah Shockey
    Elder Russ Shoemaker
    Elder J-Noble Snowdeal
    Elder Helen Terlecki
    Elder Tim Tiernan asoc
    Elder Nathan Urquhart
    Elder Edwin Van Horne
    Elder Gijs Van Lerberghe
    Elder Mieke Van Lerberghe
    Elder Al Volle
    Elder Tom Volle
    Elder Stan Watson
    Elder Eric Wiesman
    Elder Kalee Wiesman assoc
    Elder Mark Wiesman assoc
    Elder Kathi Wilson
    Elder Dee Wobbe
    Elder Thelma Woods
    Elder Amanda Wrozek
    Elder Alain Yvorra
    Elder Ken Zitt assoc

    chopping block pt 2 coming soon

  • martin says:

    Are “removed” elders, disfellowshipped from Ron’s church?

  • Randy says:

    This is funny because mom talks to these people every week Lori, Fredda, and Ann on Saturdays I wonder if mom told on them to LaurA would not surprise me like I said she calls Joyce to check in every Saturday night !

  • eyesopening says:

    chopping block part 2

    Associate Elder Brian Button
    Associate Elder Pauline Cameron
    Associate Elder Barbara Carter
    Associate Elder Izabel Costa
    Associate Elder Lois Doemeland
    Associate Elder Richard Dryden
    Associate Elder Cookie Fields removed
    Associate Elder Bert Foerschlea
    Associate Elder Katy Garratt
    Associate Elder John Haugen
    Associate Elder Skip Henry
    Associate Elder Zoran Illitch
    Associate Elder Brandi Light-Siedentopf removed
    Associate Elder Dale Lindemann
    Associate Elder Bob Madison removed
    Associate Elder Donna Madison
    Associate Elder Shirley McKee
    Associate Elder Derek Mendygral
    Associate Elder Tom Morrison
    Associate Elder Kim Oaklund removed
    Associate Elder Matthew Payne
    Associate Elder Jolanda Peeters
    Associate Elder Gerald Prutsman removed
    Associate Elder Keith Prutsman removed
    Associate Elder Shirley Reed
    Associate Elder Conrad & Michelle Reger
    Associate Elder Angela Rendall
    Associate Elder Trevor Rendall
    Associate Elder Gerry Schulte
    Associate Elder Nancy Schulte
    Associate Elder Dorothy Smith
    Associate Elder Eric Stephenson
    Associate Elder Stacey Stephenson
    Associate Elder Debra Tiernan
    Associate Elder Beverly VanNorman removed
    Associate Elder Philip White
    Associate Elder Vera Williams
    Associate Elder Paul & Lori Wroten
    Associate Elder Josephine Yvorra

  • Ozymandias says:

    Age or IQ?

  • Randy says:

    Kim Oakland , is one of moms best freinds to something is up

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron is just trimming the fat. Too many elders to keep track of .Some areas had 10 or more .

  • I’m assuming that the Weinlands are maintaining a ratio of at least 2 ‘elders’ to every single ordinary member.

    That way the gossip can be established in the mouths of two witnesses.

    This is obviously carried forward to the two witnesses of Revelation from the PKG where Laura and Ron are assisted by their two witness children.

    PKG: Are you prepared for the influx of millions of people into the PKG? You need to be ready because it’s going to happen any time now.

    If you aren’t prepared, you should buckle down NOW to be assured you are READY!

    The fields are ripe, ready for the harvest.

    Ha, ha, ha.

  • eyesopening says:

    last in the series
    chopping block 3

    This was the letter that was sent to us to inform us of what was taken place. You can’t tell me that God does this. So I thought I would follow suit and send this all in in letters also. Does feel very good does it.

    This letter is being sent to you to inform you that you are being moved from the role of an elder to that of an associate elder. This is rather new for the Church, since our history coming from Worldwide has been different. During those days, an ordination, or specific office in the ministry, was viewed as a life-long placement. However, in this time that is now before us, there is a different design and purpose in what God is working, and we are simply to learn from it and support it. God has specific reasons for these changes and the streamlining that is taking place in the ministry. Some of that will be mentioned here, but other matters will be learned as you go forward.
    At this point, there are right at 40 ministers being directly affected by these changes and reorganization, with the likelihood of a few more that will follow. So we are sending most all of you this same letter concerning this specific change, although there are a lot of others who are now being fully removed/retired from the ministry.
    As a whole, God is now preparing and training a group within the ministry who will become quite active as we go into the final stages of this end-time and they are primarily being readied for responsibilities once the Millennium is established. Many of you have issues with health and/or age that simply restrict you from carrying out certain duties. This may also restrict you from being able to serve in what is coming.
    In a few cases, it is simply a matter that the need for your service as a minister does not or will not exist where you are located. This also means that the need for some roles within the ministry are not now needed for the same purpose that existed several years ago and for what God was teaching and molding within the Church. Many things have changed since this process of a widely expanded ministry began.
    Yet for a few of you, this is a matter of your need to more deeply examine yourself and the example you have been living that reflects upon the ministry. Ministers are indeed held to a higher standard of responsibility and example in what is reflected in our life to others around us. It is a matter of striving to be on greater guard in all that we do, say, and administer in our responsibilities toward the world around us, toward the Church, and also our personal families. Over the next year, this will be the time to make the necessary changes that have been put off or ignored for too long now.
    In other cases, the change in one’s role may simply be a matter for the need of stepping aside so that others can be inserted who need the experiences that can only be gleaned, learned, and molded into a person by serving for a period of time in the ministry. This is God’s work in us and it is by His design.
    Everyone being moved from the role of an elder to that of an associate elder will be receiving this “form letter”, although, some few of you are being given more than this letter. For those receiving more direct correction where it is needed, you know some of the primary matters that must be addressed and changed in your life. Others will need to genuinely examine yourself before God to see it there are things that you need to address and change. Although there are still some of you who have consistently been moving forward and growing spiritually and the change for your role in the ministry is simply a matter of some of the other reasons listed, and not primarily of a matter of correction.
    Lastly, is a matter of great importance to Laura and myself. We have loved working in a more direct manner with you due to your being in the ministry. In a short time, we have been through much together. We are so thankful for all the support and service you have given to us and God’s Church. That does not change simply because you are no longer in the role of an elder, but that of an associate elder. You are in God’s ministry and yet have much before you concerning service you can render to the Church. So again, thank you!
    We continue to move forward together as a family. As there is still so much that is before us as a Church, and for Laura and myself, we need and are requesting your continued prayers and support for us and the Body of Christ.

  • Acts says:

    There is your Government ,DISGUSTING PATHETIC BLASPHEMY !

    What a Shame.

    Exodus 20:7 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain.

  • martin says:

    Ron said “Others will need to genuinely examine yourself before God to see it there are things that you need to address and change.”

    Like you Ron? Don’t you think it’s time to look into the mirror?

    Maybe address the hedonistic use of tithe money for massages? erotic underwear? expensive paintings? expensive cars?
    You know, all the stuff that was PROVEN in a court of law, with documents and evidence?

    How about refunding the money for that?

  • Ozymandias says:

    Ron’s timeline didn’t pan out. Now he must undo some of the mess he made in the elder making area. Too old , too sick,? Some of these were only ordained a few years ago. Some people on the list are well into their 80s, and he didn’t get rid of them. Picking and choosing just like always. It just never ends.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we could ALL get a refund for services not rendered?

  • In a few cases, it is simply a matter that the need for your service as a minister does not or will not exist where you are located.

    Oh, you know, like being in prison.

    This also means that the need for some roles within the ministry are not now needed for the same purpose that existed several years ago and for what God was teaching and molding within the Church.

    Especially for convicted felons.

    Many things have changed since this process of a widely expanded ministry began.

    Like the court trial finding the felon guilty.

    Yet for a few of you, this is a matter of your need to more deeply examine yourself and the example you have been living that reflects upon the ministry.

    Like cheating on your Income Taxes in a really major bad way.

    Ministers are indeed held to a higher standard of responsibility and example in what is reflected in our life to others around us.

    Yes, they should not be convicted felons.

    It is a matter of striving to be on greater guard in all that we do, say, and administer in our responsibilities toward the world around us, toward the Church, and also our personal families.

    Which includes being a false prophet.

    Over the next year, this will be the time to make the necessary changes that have been put off or ignored for too long now.

    Like repentance.

    In other cases, the change in one’s role may simply be a matter for the need of stepping aside so that others can be inserted who need the experiences that can only be gleaned, learned, and molded into a person by serving for a period of time in the ministry.

    Where Ronald Weinland needs to step aside so someone who is competent can do the job.

    For those receiving more direct correction where it is needed, you know some of the primary matters that must be addressed and changed in your life.

    Which have been enumerated on this blog.

    Others will need to genuinely examine yourself before God to see it there are things that you need to address and change.

    Like not being a false prophet and engaging in felony Income Tax evasion.

    We continue to move forward together as a family.

    The Mafia.

  • Ozymandias says:

    DB, you summed his post up quite nicely. Ron should get himself a nice big mirror. But then he would only see the Emperor admiring his new clothes. Everyone else’s problems are so clear to him, he just doesn’t can’t see his own.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I didn’t see Gary Gregory’s name on the list. Must mean he is still hooked. Some of the people that are removed, the spouse is not attending anymore. Just because they stayed married, they are not needed now? Also if you were needed in a certain area once for “Gods work”, wouldn’t you always be needed in that area. God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, but we all know not in Ron’s group. Karen Rodes was good enough when they needed a home for their dog, but now that he’s dead, they must not need her anymore.

  • Movin' On says:

    Good to see husband’s name on the list. All five of them that met are demoted (senior elders down to associate elders). Probably don’t need everyone within the group (and the only group in a 5 hour radius) to be elders spying on each other. Especially when the other 4 (other than my husband) are all related. That would be tough to leave in such a situation. But you know who you are in the upper west corner of the US and if you need moral support while thinking of leaving, let me know. Eyesopening ~ thanks for the info. I’ve been wondering…

  • Movin' On says:

    Since they haven’t used up all their family’s savings quite yet, all the west coast groupies are in California to meet some evangelist from Europe…

  • So sad says:

    So all these people are being downgraded so to speak? Johnny,Wayne, Myrtle, Doris and Paul Giles, Steve Darymple? Have others already been removed from the role as elders before this letter came out?

  • Randy says:

    Who is going to babitist’s the million people when they come running, that’s what it was all about wasn’t it ? Hahaha

  • Jay says:

    Glad I’m Free this is a list of them all so if he is not on here is not one anymore.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks for the list. It’s the most complete list I’ve seen. Is the list of elders from a church source, or was it compiled by one of the members? Seems like it might be an earlier list updated with some demotions. There are actually some promotions, Myrtle to Pastor and Audra to Prophet.

    Also a few names missing: Angela Wrozek. Just last spring she divorced Terry, and was on the “Trips” page as going to Dallas. maybe she was defrocked prior to this? Or maybe followed Terry and son Parker out the door?

    Also, I think the Giannota’s were elders at one time, don’t see them on the list.

  • Randy says:

    Glad I’m free
    Gary has not called mom in a long time, he might not be in there anymore Don’t know just saying !

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’ve summarized the demotions and removals in a new post.

  • Jay says:

    Ann wrozek change back to her maiden name hopkins.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks. I updated the post to make that clear.

  • Randy says:

    I bet Ann Hopkins kids are real proud of her changing her name back this is why I hate Ron and Laura