More Announcements

Here is a comment left on the last posting by “Jim”.  I am not able to verify its authenticity, but it’s consistent with other internal announcements.

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These are some miscellaneous announcements that are being made prior to the Feast that some will need to be aware of concerning being asked to give opening prayers at the Feast. This matter of giving an opening prayer also obviously applies to anyone doing so at any Sabbath service.

There is more information contained in this email that applies directly to many in the ministry, however, it would be good to make this material available to all within the Church. So those of you to whom this is being sent are being asked to go ahead and email this to the rest of the ministry in the area you are located and/or the region you are over (just as you forward other ministerial information). This should also be made available to all the brethren for their learning and understanding as well. This entire announcement is to be made available in its complete form.

Feast Prayers:

Although this is primarily being sent out so that everyone being asked to give opening prayers at a Feast site have this information, these guidelines also need to be followed by anyone who gives an opening prayer on the Sabbath.

The primary purpose of giving an opening prayer is to help establish the right atmosphere for the beginning of a service, where everyone is to focus keenly upon the message that God has blessed the Church to receive that day. Such a prayer helps to establish a needful transition from general fellowship with one another, to that of a quiet, respectful, and focused attention upon the message.

There are always basic matters that are to be addressed at such a time that should help everyone to focus upon the fact that we have gathered together before God to receive what He and His Son have blessed us to be able to receive. So thanks should always be given to God at such a time and a request for help to receive what He is offering to give us.

These opening prayers are a time that are to reflect the hope, desire, and gratitude that each individual in the congregation has toward the service that God is blessing them to partake in, as well as the fellowship being made available that day, so that each person can indeed say “Amen” – that they are in agreement and are themselves saying, “so be it.”

One of the main reasons for sending this information concerning opening prayers, is that this is an opportunity to petition God for all who are gathered together before Him, and this should be received and given in a strong spirit of humility. This means that the individual giving the prayer will want to do so in a way that does not unduly draw attention to themselves because this most certainly is not about the individual giving the prayer. It is about God and the right spirit of humility and meekness each of us should want to express and live toward Him.

However, there have been some who have been approached in the past concerning the wrong example that they have too often set when giving a prayer. Although sometimes, they seemingly don’t hear what is being said. Giving a prayer is absolutely NOT a time to draw attention to self. It is NOT a time to give a mini-sermonette. It is NOT a time to preach or teach. It is NOT a time to show how well we can present ourselves and/or show how spiritual we are.

It would be good to understand, that because some have consistently done this, that they have held themselves back in potential greater service to God’s Church. Sometimes, such individuals are no longer even asked to give a prayer because of some of these tendencies.

Elder’s Reports:

Some in the Church may not be aware of a requirement upon the ministry to send in monthly reports to the Church. Such reports are to reflect any concerns about a troubling situation that may exist in an area, perhaps some difficult trial someone may be experiencing, or to address some question of concern someone may have. Such reports are mostly to consist of a personal response from the minister as to the affects of current posts, sermons, or other things may be impacting their personal life. These reports are needful to help those in the administration of the Church to have a good sense as to the ongoing welfare of the Church and the ministry worldwide.

In the past, within the Worldwide Church of God, monthly reports were required of full-time ministers for basically the same purpose of keeping the headquarters of the Church informed and up-to-date concerning the Church and ministry. In my experience, it was always an unimaginable thing to hear about some in the ministry who did not follow that directive from headquarters. For me, it later magnified how these same men had a wrong spirit of service to the Church and did not stand fast for God and His ways within the Church. Such individuals reflected a variety of wrong thinking, practice, teaching, counseling, and service to God’s Church. That kind of spirit of neglect and/or rebellion reflects a spirit toward God that cannot be allowed to exist within the ministry.

Since some have been negligent in sending reports, they have either been reduced in their service within the ministry or have simply been removed from the ministry. The ministry needs to be aware of this, as well as the Church. Government, and the administration of God’s way of life, is a most basic characteristic that each member of the Body of Christ is to embrace and heartily live toward God, and most assuredly this applies to a minister. We are also now requiring that if both a husband and a wife are in the ministry that each one needs to send in a separate monthly report.

This is being written because some are still being negligent in sending in monthly reports and it needs to be understood that we are now WELL beyond any grace period that has been given too often to too many. It is for this basic reason that there will still be some who will be removed from the ministry if they do not follow through with this very simple request to respond as responsible servants to God’s Church. It needs to be taken seriously that we are in a most unique period of time in the measuring of the temple and God is moving the Church to be in the forefront of this process.

184 Comments

  • An important announcement to all the PKG concerning prayers in church:

    God resists the proud, so He is not listening to your prayer and it makes no difference to Him what you say: He’s looking for you to abandon your insane lying false prophet convicted felon.

    An important announcement to all the PKG concerning mistrial reports:

    Since no one in the PKG is actually a minister, the reports are very important to guard threats to the income to the Weinland Luxury Fund: They serve no other purpose.

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 1
    14 YOUR new moons and YOUR appointed feasts my soul hates: they are a trouble to me; I am weary to bear them.

    15And when you spread forth your hands, I will hide my eyes from you: yes, when you make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

  • J says:

    I guess it makes sense for a man in a powerless environment to be overcompensating by micromanaging others on the outside. Is this a sign that he’s losing control of the congregations?

  • martin says:

    The guy CAN NOT SHUT UP.

    He has to give orders…big or small…he’s a dictator.

    Dictators are not happy if they are not dictating.

  • martin says:

    Ron “Since some have been negligent in sending reports”

    This from the guy who doesn’t file his taxes.

    The guy is loon.

  • Randy says:

    What a bunch of f/:;( nuts nothing this asshole said has happen and his bitch just stole all the money hahahahaha his family is sure living good how about your family PKG ! Open your eyes do you drive a BMW how much is your house worth do you have diamond rings the money whore Laura is having a ball with your money !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    I can attest to the “tattletale” mentality of the gulag that is required of the “unholy elders”.

    To begin, I would have been canned anyways because I choose not to “tattletale” on the Florida group. I always send in this phrase’ “everything is okay – no problems”. I found it very distasteful to detail on the lives of innocent people and would not do it. IT WAS WRONG AND STILL IS!!!!!

    I applauded those “elders” who have chosen not to do this!! To me, it shows character and strength and will ultimately lead to their leaving the gulag and telling ronnie the hoax and laura the yenta to kiss off!!

    As I have stated before, those of you still in the gulag need to understand that these “unholy elders” are telling tales and lies about you to the two cult masters, ronnie the hoax and laura the yenta. If I were you I would confront and demand of the reporting elder what they are saying about you and keep in mind that “slander” and “defamation” are violations of law and can be prosecuted.

    WAKE UP !!!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Well, so much for the Eldeship to be used for baptizing only in the coming years. Now if your not will to send in a report, you’re out. Maybe a few of these people took them at their word when they said it was. Ron knew that telling people they were part of the elite ministerial group would cause some to be filled with pride. How many times did we hear ” I have a job to do and I have the churches best interest in mind. It always sounded like they actually believed they cared more about the church than the person they were addressing. I’m happy to hear there are at least a few people that believe the the ” covering of a matter.” Hopping on the “tell and Elder hotline” always seemed lowly to me. I know of people who confided things to someone they asummed was a friend only to have this ELDER immediately call R&L to boost THEMSELVES up the ministerial ladder. I find this sad and sickening. Of course there are important things which must be discussed, but it all goes way too far. When all of the folks to be gossiped about have left, who will they have to talk about? Funny you couldn’t even call Ron at some point , but he got everything filtered through a third party. Not a day goes by that I’m not happy I left. I have a far closer relationship with God than I ever imagined, and I don’t have to filter any of it through anyone.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Funny, the first thing Ron ALWAYS threatens to do, is kick someone out or take away their title. MY rules , My way , or get out. Such a fine and spiritual person. I got so sick of hearing the auf wiedersehen, dosvedanya, don’t let the door hit ya, bunch of poo. Never let’s talk about this , were going to miss you. Actually just the opposite. I left knowing that 95% of the folks that would have laid their life down for me one day, would hardly give me a second thought the next. All Ron and Laura were ever concerned about was what you would have to say when you left. If they could get you to quietly skulk out the door they were blissful. Go quietly , and keep your mouth shut. I’m very happy to see a few here that don’t let Ron and Laura have the final say on what they will discuss here. I don’t think ALL things should be aired but there have been many things brought to light for edification.Just being ABLE to have dialog is a wonderful thing. Being FREE to discuss something,or FREE to have a differing opinion is something that was lost to us for many years.

  • Ronco says:

    Once again, Hillbilly Harrell® is giving the Sabbath sermon…

    Hey Grandpa, what’s for supper?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-stzkiOFrM

  • Well, maybe this reporting thing has some potential: The ‘elders’ can collect evidence and report on Laura, Weinland, Jeremy and, oh, what is her name again — you know — their daughter. The ‘elders’ can document everything that the Weinlands are doing wrong, write it all up and give a full detailed report DURING CHURCH SERVICES every week. Tell about the gossip Laura is spreading, particularly to the people she’s gossiping about — naming names.

    The PKG can make a lot of progress with this new openness and honesty. Records should be posted on the Internet for everybody to see just exactly everything wrong the Weinlands have done that week. Of course, the reports should be verified by two or three witnesses. Oh, heck, make that 200 to 300 witnesses — they probably all know about it (maybe not the details, but in broad stroke).

    Use this opportunity to purge the evil from the group by revealing the nasty dirty secrets of the leadership.

    It will be a much better place.

  • charlie says:

    well at least grandpa finally got it right ….ron still hasnt ( and wont )…but you go ron ..you da man… and ozymandias ..i too had a friend in pkg when i was there …when i informed him that ron was a false prophet and that Jesus would not be coming when ron said he would ..then my friend couldnt leave fast enough ( he was visiting at my house )
    feel sorry for him and hope that someday soon he too will wake up and see what a scam pkg really is …when everybody thinks the same thing ..then somebody isnt thinking..plus i skimmed the sermon in pdf format ..got as far as page 4 ..took almost a whole minute ..( told you i skimmed ) harrell really jumps around from subject to subject and makes less sense as ron did… and this recent post is from the man who said he wouldnt post til after the feast ..seems ron has a history of doing things he said he wouldnt do ..actually he didnt do what he said he would do and that was quit preaching if nothing happened as he said it would …ok thats my 2 cents worth for now

  • Ozymandias says:

    Charlie, if you lost a ” family member” you would grieve for a while . You would at least try to get him back if you could. This is what let’s us know the true nature of Ron and his church. They are happy to hold the door for you as you exit.l knew I would never hear from a single soul when I left. I know how they felt about others who had left before me. They called them jealous , senile, and that they just NEVER were a part of it. Who knows what reason they came up with for me. BTW, happy Sabbath to all who keep it. I hope the fall is filled with joy as the Feast of Tabernacles approaches. Have heart if you left friends behind, God knows that you still care for them.

  • Randy says:

    Charlie
    Right in his own word on an interview he said if this does not happen I will be a false prophet!!!

  • Randy says:

    Ron the assshole will say what ever it takes to keep the money coming in , and a power hungry basturd! Also his bitch loves all the money you guys send, they have no more to do with God than I do least I don’t lie and steal !

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 58:
    1Cry aloud, spare not, lift up your voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

    59
    3For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue has muttered perverseness.

    13In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.

  • charlie says:

    thank you all for the kind words …a lot of these things i didnt know until i came to this site and found out ..it was foolish of me to take ron at his word …more foolish of him to give it i suppose but after a while things just didnt add up..so then i began to to as the bereans did ..and yes ron actually did say those things ,,,however ..like a lots of so called ministers he put in just enough “truth” to make the lies seem plausible..then we thought that since this was new ( he called them truths) we were learning and growing …well you can deceive the “elect” only for so long …as more and more things failed to fall into place, it slowly began to dawn that what ron was saying was just a crock full of it ..despite whatever real truths he mixed in..then after 3 failed prophecies ..( i didnt know about the first 2 as i wasnt a part of them at that time ) i was however a part of the old wwcog under armstrong…but since he died that particular church turned against all that he taught too,,at least the truth part,,,then i heard ron wienland and this was the truths i had heard before ( there were years in between when there was nothing )..so i went along with it ..then i found this site yay..what a revelation
    oh and if you care to you can do research on herbie too ..LOL anyways here i am and despite all of the wwcog and pkg …. im moving onward and forward with my life ..as for the “friends” i left behind ..i do still care for them ..maybe someday ….

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hoping “some day” happens for real. And soon.

  • Randy says:

    I think my mom is a snitch in the church soon as she gets home on Saturday nights she calls Joyce to check in and let her know what’s going on ! Luara got her so brain washed !

  • martin says:

    The bible explicitly says the two prophets are two men.

    The bible also says that the two witnesses will
    1) breath fire
    2) kill men who oppose them (ie #1)
    3) call down droughts
    4) turn rivers to blood
    5) be martyred
    6) be resurrected

    EVEN RON KNOWS HE HAS NOT DONE THESE THINGS

    That is why he says he will do it “for real” this time. (PKGers never learn from this liar)

    Ron has not fulfilled a single prophecy regarding the two witnesses.
    Not one of the prophecies he spoke has come true.

    How much more proof does anybody need?

  • Ozymandias says:

    Randy , you have finally figured out what the eldership is all about. It’s a grapevine of information one elder to the other. Laura’s gossiping has finally become legitimized. She always gossiped and Ron defended it. They just took it to a legitimate level.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I hate to say this, but Laura had surrounded her self with gossipy women. In order to be part of this you must be willing to throw your friends under the bus.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “She always gossiped and Ron defended it. They just took it to a legitimate level.”

    It’s spiritual. Ron’s answer to any problem.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Always under the guise of having the churches best interest in mind. If you claim THIS you can do or say anything you want and then somehow defend it. Very tiny minds on a very tiny mission .

  • Hope lost in PKG says:

    I know that there must be members or ex-members reading this suffering from Post Traumatic Disorder who maybe not realize what they are suffering from. I am sure Mike not mind if I post a website that helps teach a little about the problem

    http://www.helpguide.org/mental/post_traumatic_stress_disorder_symptoms_treatment.htm

    I suffer from it myself and know how paralysing it can be at times. Especially before I figured out what was going on. It wasn’t fun. Knowing that we are not going crazy and that life can move forward after traumatic experiences is essential in healing.

    Hope that this info helps someone needing it.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Hey. Imagine the damage the Weinlands and their elders will do after they go through puberty!

    BB

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Charlie,

    Just remember this, always keep you door open for your friend because the day will come when he also will leave the gulag and will need a good friend to help get his life back in order. As long as he knows you are open to him that will make the difference in his life.

  • And you can also look at this article on PTSD.

    It isn’t fun and it takes a tremendous toll.

    And Weinland has left a lot of the PKG with PTSD (and also the families of PKG members) from being subjected to his totalitarian control over a prolonged period.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    As I have stated there are structural problems with ronnie’s hooligans. They are untrained in all aspect of being a leader in ronnie’s circus which has led to self-centered prayers, tattle tailing on the innocent, pre-written sermons and all of the rest of the bologna that goes with it. The bottom line to all of this is simply control, control and more control!!

    However, I am of the opinion that the gulag is in a process of collapse. Laura the yenta is not capable of holding it all together!! How ironic is this! A self-proclaimed “witness” is not able to judge and keep the prisoners in line!! Ronnie the hoax must be one frustrated clown because his circus is leaving town without him.

    I cannot begin to tell you how good my life has been since I rejected those two charlatans!!! To the pkg’s, try it you may like it!!!!!

  • charlie says:

    elder …my door is open anytime ..its just that nobody who is still involved ( there is more than just one friend ) will not have anything to do with someone who has left …ron teaches and preaches that doctrine ..they shun you like a leper ..i only hope that in some way i can help

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Charlie,

    Give it time. I was the elder over Florida at one time and I still have friends that I think of often. However, I am respectful of their beliefs. They know that I do not believe in shunning and my door is open to them.

  • Acts says:

    Deuteronomy 13
    1If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke to you, saying, Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them; 3You shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proves you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4You shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall serve him, and join to him. 5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he has spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NzSO2IOjmu0

    18:20
    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21And if you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken? 22When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it PRESUMPTUOUSLY : you shall not be afraid of him.

    Ronald Weinland’s last Radio interview before his prophecy did NOT come to pass on May 27 2012 . Notice what Ronald says at the 36 Minute when the host asks him What will happen may 27 2012

    http://www.cog-pkg.org/audio/download/interviews/2012-01-11_WCEM_Interview.mp3

    The First time he said things were not revealed to him yet by God and that there was further Revelation . That is something he specifically said he would not do! BUT HE DID IT ANYWAY ! Right in front of God and the World ! Second time Around after he had Further revelation , DEEP into his 3 1/2 year timeline he stated in his last interview that if It does not come to pass then he was False ! The prophecy was not True!

    May 27 2012 comes and goes ,does Ronald Repent ? No he gives ANOTHER FALSE PROPHECY for the following year . He says Christ will return may 19th 2013 , he explains to everyone that Christ really did return Spiritually but it will take a year to come to pass physically , and that entire year was The Day of the Lord.

    May 19 comes and The day of the Lord did not happen ! And Jesus Christ did not come back !

    There is 0 Credibility in Ronald Weinland 0!

  • Acts says:

    Psalm 7:12
    If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword;
    he has bent and readied his bow;
    he has prepared for him his deadly weapons,
    making his arrows fiery shafts.
    Behold, the wicked man conceives evil
    and is pregnant with mischief
    and gives birth to lies.
    He makes a pit, digging it out,
    and falls into the hole that he has made.
    His mischief returns upon his own head,
    and on his own skull his violence descends.

  • Byker Bob says:

    This shunning thing can have its own unevenness and set of vagaries. I practiced it in reverse when I left HWA’s original WCG shortly after the Disappointment of 1975. Of course, I lived in the San Gabriel Valley of Southern California at that time, where Pasadena was located, and where you would frequently run into church people in places like the supermarket or at the mall. I shunned the types of people whom I had known as being preachy and condescending. There were others whose “conversion” had never really covered up the fact that they were total a$$h@les. Ex-members who fell into those same categories, I shunned as well. Their sudden ex-member status did not automatically make them “cool”. I especially avoided members of the ministry.

    However, there were friends who deliberately refused to go along with the shunning policy. Kind of the WCG version of civil disobedience, and some really did it bigtime. So, I discovered that I couldn’t automatically assume that I would be shunned, policy notwithstanding. One department head at Ambassador College actually hired me to come in and to work on and repair their equipment on numerous occasions. He knew that I had misgivings about the doctrines, but would do a good professional job in helping them with their equipment. While I was doing the work, different individuals I had known came up to see how I had been doing, making pleasant small talk. I have no idea what mental or spiritual processes led them to make such an exception, but it was a welcome departure, and actually made me see them in a different, more positive light. They had transcended the cult zombie image.

    I personally believe that in life in general there are certain types of people from whom we would all need to separate ourselves, and for various reasons. If you don’t, they quickly make you their co-dependents. There are others whom you would want not to shun, but to show love, and acceptance. The way shunning is used in most of the ACOG splinters does not take into consideration these common sense factors. It is not rehabilitative, or restorative, but instead is used as a punitive control measure. Harsh authoritarianism is generally the only resort which leaders of low mental capacity understand.

    In a way, church friends have to be like the old saying, “If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it is yours. If it doesn’t, it never was.” There are those who will eventually “get it”, and will come back around. Our own attitudes can most definitely influence that process. When leaving, you can’t automatically assume you will be shunned by everyone. It’s best to leave the door at least partially open.

    BB

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Hope is lost in pkg:
    Very sorry about the PTSD. I can only imagine what you go through on a daily basis. And I hope that it will one day pass and that you have found ways to cope and overcome the loss, fear, helplessness, and second-guessing you most likely feel and have experienced after leaving pkg. But you made the choice and that speaks volumes for your ability to make proper decisions despite the personal trauma you knew it would continue to cause in your life. Learn not to be so hard and yourself. I pray that you can trust yourself and your own mind once again knowing that Ron and Laura are the perpetrators and will be one day held accountable by God Almighty.

    It is difficult to overcome leaving something and someone you believed had a right relationship with God. As lay members we often best ourselves up and feel small but God wants our heart to remain open to trust and love. In actuality it is similar to experiencing betrayal and a subsequent divorce. Ron attempts to steal your spirituality by placing himself as the go-between between us and God. We were programmed to believe in the ministers as the intermediary for us and our relationship with God. Well God has given us a new truth of our own…not realizing in years past that this is what God and Jesus have been telling us the whole. Jesus rent the veil and God Almighty was there…not Ron. He cannot destroy what isn’t his to give or take from us. God himself will institute his ministry when He returns. There isn’t a minister on Earth that could implement God’s governmental structure as it is skewed by human ideals and corrupt desire.
    This is all part of God’s plan for mankind. He needs and wants us to look to him. Not to what men say.
    The best thing we can do is read the Bible and pray to God for his mercy and his Holy Spirit at work in our mind and our lives. Continue to live that example and I don’t think God will forsake us…even though Ron and Laura have.

    Sad to say but I think if Ron said the moon was made out of cheese they’d believe him even though humans have landed on it and can prove otherwise. It’s blind faith. God wants us to have faith in him but he doesn’t want, require or need blind faith.

    If you don’t have a support group or therapist (I hope you do) that you can confide your thoughts to, please feel free to ask Mike for email. It’s important that those who have left pkg have people they can trust.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    There may be a few in pkg that would outright refuse to acknowledge someone, a former member, if they saw the person. Many of us still have family members and they will speak to you…only superficially about church related matters. By now they either know where we sta, or just wouldn’t divulge anything to unconverted ears. I’ve seen people and wouldn’t bring up the topic of Ron. They made their choice as I have. It would only cause an argument and bad blood so to speak. It wouldn’t be right of anyone to fight about it. And most people cannot seem to have a discussion about the facts. It’s a big he said she said and an answer for how they see it. Much like us. People must realize things in their own tine. This blog suits me because it is an open forum and I am free to ask questions and seek the whole story hoping that I will gain a more balanced perspective. This happens when you are deceived by men who claim to be more than what they are.
    Of course we don’t have all the same beliefs on the blog. Our minds may be different but we all believe that ministers have abused their spiritual positions for financial and social gain with very little regard for anyone but their highest tithers and personal group of friends. It’s shameful to reduce God and his government to what Ron claims it is. It’s shameful to have allowed all the gossip these years. He had tine and tine again to seriously address these issues. At some point you realize he condones it.

  • charlie says:

    well how about that ..thanks byker bob ….wasnt a part of cog in 1975…turns out ole herbert was a false prophet too ( and I thought he was just a nut job )….most likely thats where ron learned his from ..
    REQUIRED COURSE….FALSE PROPHECY 101….prerequisite..LYING or CHEATING or DECEIVING …bet ron was a good student and made all A

  • Conald Swineland missed a bit: If he really wants a totalitarian camp run with an iron hand, he needs to create the equivalent of Hitler’s Youth in his gulag.

    The children need to be enabled to inform to the imperium about their parents!

    That the Swinelands have missed this… well, you know, in creating their dysfunctional cult church corporate, it’s a work in progress and they are still learning.

    What comes next is the accused parents stand in front of the congregation to be humiliated publicly so they can ‘be kept in line’.

    This worked very well in the People’s Temple under Jim Jones and it will work most magnificently in the PKG.

    PKG Parents: Be afraid! Be very afraid!

  • martin says:

    When God said not to listen to false prophets, they didn’t believe Him.

    When God said the two witnesses would BOTH be men, they didn’t believe Him.

    When Christ said to beware of false prophets in *sheeps* clothing, they didn’t believe Him.

    When the Bible said that they would appear as ministers of light, they didn’t believe Him.

    When Christ said you would know them by their fruits (the way they live), they didn’t believe Him.

    They’ll believe some day, but for most of them it will be too late.

  • juror bags says:

    BB,
    After reading some of the history you provide and Mike explaining things to me from way back when it seems to me that this whole COG thing has been a mess for a long, long while. Ron and Laura are only perpetuating it but are very happy to do so because it is now and has been THEIR PAYDAY! There is zero doubt in my mine that they are into their SCAM BIZ for the pay off and nothing else.

    They could care less about anyone other than themselves and have no use for anyone UNLESS they conform and PAY UP THE TITHES! Ask questions = you’re done. Not paying up in tithes = you’re done. Not tattle telling on others not conforming = you’re in trouble or done.

    So PKGers, shut up and keep paying! Tell me that is not a CULT with dictators (Swinescums) running it. Becker they have somewhat modeled the Nazi regime. The two Weinland ADULT children play the game and tattle etc; Bet your butt on that. They like their BMW’s and free paychecks too much not to do as Mommy (PIG) and Daddy (LYING COWARD) Dearest command! They are in the middle of it and I felt they should have ALL been charged and imprisoned. This bunch is nothing more than a pack of manipulative PREDATORS that beat up on the less fortunate who believe they are trying to do the right thing.

  • Acts says:

    Guilty.

  • juror bags says:

    Look back at the Weinland’s “total resolve.” They were living it up and blowing millions of God’s tithe dollars on themselves all while telling people to rack up credit cards, cash in their 401 K’s, sell their homes, re-fi their homes and cash out, and not pay their bills ALL TO TURN THIS MONEY OVER TO THE WEINLAND LUXURY FUND. Just so Conald NutDonald, Laurdass, Audrass, and Silent Spineless Jeremy could live an over the top luxury life styles free of charge. They were also so GREEDY they screwed the IRS for REFUNDS each year on their fraudulent tax returns.

    “Total resolve” had a VERY DIFFERENT meaning for the Swinelands. They expected the brethren to GIVE ALL so they could LIVE IT UP!!!! And boy, did they ever!

  • Byker Bob says:

    Juror Bags, while many people have passed through the Armstrong organizations, there is a statistically significant proportion of the members who have unwittingly practiced denial, have reprogrammed themselves regularly to compensate for the system’s failures, and are still waiting for the “delayed” prophecies to take place. I honestly cannot fathom how they do it, because they have deliberately impoverished themselves for it, they have blown off their educations and careers for it, and have become frequently persecuted pariahs. The sad thing is that many of these folks are likeable, sincere, human beings, who have unfortunately allowed undue influence to be exerted in their lives by people whom they have assumed are God’s messengers. The good fruits are not there, the witness of God is not behind these messengers, but some individuals have found them to be credible. As history progresses, the examples become more grotesque exaggerations of the process, with this Weinland thing being perhaps the worst to date.

    Passing the inside secret as to how this has been able to happen from me to you, in the 1950s, HWA originally defined what “God’s True Church” should look like in our modern times. He defined this in such a way that only his church could fit that description. Once someone buys into that defining process, and considers it in the realm of eternal truth, nothing else can fit the bill. It’s not unlike what happens when a major company or branch of government allows a single vendor to write the bid specs for an upcoming aquisition of capital equipment. That vendor will do all he can to write the products of all of the other vendors out of spec, although they each have very competitive merits of their own. There is incredible documentation and thought supporting New Covenant, non-sabbatarian Christianity. However, once baptized, Armstrongites were instructed not to read literature supporting that from outside groups. Baptism was the final demarcation point at which “prove all things” was to cease. It was no longer a matter of constant testing and refining, as one would normally expect of the academic or scientific processes. Some might call this testing and refining “accountability”, but in Armstrong circles, it is called rebellion.

    You will often see a number of confused individuals who are willing to leave the organization of one obvious false prophet. However, the majority of those leaving will look to HWA’s original defining process, confine their search to those specs, ending up joining another of what we call the “splinter” groups, and in many cases, even worse off! This stuff is pretty systemic, and awfully insidious! It is very difficult to expand beyond that tunnel vision!

    BB

  • Acts says:

    “Passing the inside secret as to how this has been able to happen from me to you, in the 1950s, HWA originally defined what “God’s True Church” should look like in our modern times. He defined this in such a way that only his church could fit that description. Once someone buys into that defining process, and considers it in the realm of eternal truth, nothing else can fit the bill.”

    11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. 12And he excercises all the power of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Let me put it a slightly different way. Forget for the moment HWA’s three mansions, his Cadillacs and Rolls Royce, the expensive art collection, his gold tableware, and the jet. The fact is, thousands of dollars of my tithes ended up being spent to falsely warn “the world” that the Germans were coming in 1972, and that Jesus would return in 1975! This, to punish a people for forgetting a heritage that modern dna tells us they never had!

    What did people do back then? Same thing as they are doing today! They denied that dates had actually been set, they stated that somehow God had not provided complete understanding, and actually blamed the “dumb sheep” for not being ready!

    The fact is that God had a really great opportunity to validate some people who called themselves apostles and prophets as having spoken for Him. He could have made this stuff happen! Instead, loudly, and clearly, He said, “Hey, people! Deut. 18:22!” But, some people listen to Armstrongism instead of to God. The whole thing should have folded in ’75, but every couple years, someone postpones the dates. They even call dna “Satan’s science”.

    BB

  • juror bags says:

    Yes, BB,
    That is what is incomprehensible. You would think that after they continuously get burned by the fire that they would develop and understanding. No matter how simple that concept might seem. Even young children “wise up” when they soon realize that they are being tricked and such. It is said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Keep getting fed a pile of lies and paying tithe money for said lies…………… Only to have the same old stories told over and over again and losing more tithe money to low and behold…. Get the same results. Rewind and try it again for the umpteenth time! I guess some 19 year olds still believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy also.

    In my opinion most of the “churches” are a lot like casinos as mentioned not long ago. They are paying for entertainment and throwing out tithe cash in hopes of hitting the unattainable jackpot! When in reality there is ONLY one winner. The “church minister” or casino. Sure there are some minor payouts in the grand scheme. They have to keep the biz profitable for years to come.

    Wonder where God spends his tithe cash? He doesn’t, but scumbag scammers like the Weinlands are in charge of his accounting and funds. “Truly Awesome & Amazing!”

  • Acts says:

    “HWA originally defined what “God’s True Church” should look like in our modern times”

    BB,You have hit the nail on the head .

    HWA , Inadvertently created The Beast.

    Ron, Pack, all the Others have created the Image of the beast.

    The main engine that fueled the beast was False prophecy ! The main engine that fuels the Image is False prophecy , The same false prophecy from HWA .

    All the prophecy in the bible does not have to do with a physical nation or nations in the end. The Lost tribes of Israel mixed with every nation over thousands of years . THE American and British people today are no different than the Germans or Italians or Chinese or Africans in realation to knowing God .Flesh and blood have nothing to do with the prophecies .There is also no place in scripture that says there will be a 3 1/2 year Tribulation . That is an idea from False prophets .
    They have taken scriptures and jumbled them together in regards to the Witness. But the Witness is of the church not the World.
    GODS Church can never be called a physical Group ! Never! THAT is where pride and Satan entered . HWA may have started out with the best of intentions with his Radio program , but it became The Beast. The Beast looks like it is something of God the image of the beast looks like something of God , that’s how it holds sway over the saints for a time Times and Half time It is NOT a physical Slavery it is a spiritual Slavery. Time times and a half time is not Three and a half years by the way, It is a period of about a Generation , about 70 years .

    HWA , opened Ambasador College in 1947 , That was a big step in the creation of the beast, All these wonderful Loving Godly ministers have come through that . They have held sway over Thousands of people who are trying to obey God all over the world. ( many tongues )

    It was wounded with the Sword : 1994 it fell apart ! But the ministers who came out of AC have created the Image of the beast. Now THEY hold sway over well meaning people who want to obey God in there respective Strong Holds (Daniel )The Groups are filled with the same False Prophecy and Damaging False Doctrine , which has destroyed families and has turned many people against God completly . Names of Blasphemy!

    There is ONLY the Day of the Lord.

  • Dopamine and B. F. Skinner: Keep pressing those levers and a fulfilled prophecy might pop out to feed your addiction! Just keep sending in money and play prophecy roulette: You could win big!!! Sure, you lose over and over, but SOME DAY… SOME DAY… You will really win and the winner takes all to become God as God is God (but not God)! Think of it: You can perpetrate any revenge on anyone who frustrates you by making them suffer interminably! You can torture them like a cat tortures a mouse! As an immortal being, you can use your super powers to exact revenge on people who do not believe like you do and MAKE THEM do what you want them to do!

    It’s all worth it now — the bankruptcies, the broken marriages, the alienated children, the empty lives of delusion — it’s really all worth it because you will get the biggest payoff ever, and ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is pay a good portion of your income to your cultmeister and pass along all the gossip you can find about people around you! Your loyalty will be rewarded! Rest assured that you will have everything you want and more when you cash in the chips because YOU WIN! YOU ARE A WINNER!

    losers.

    They lie to you
    and then they take your money.

    losers.

  • Ozymandias says:

    There is indeed a jackpot being offered. How many people gamble knowing that the house always wins? Our world fell apart when WWCG collapsed. Along came Ron and put us back together. We felt extremely close to him at that point. We considered him a repairer of the breach as the Bible says. Having come from Armstrongism we were used to the ministry leading a quite nice life. They were college grads and we felt worthy of a nice paycheck. Keep in mind that if it were not for the belief in tithing this church or any of the COGS would not exist. To me , this is the truest test of faith in a belief. Would you do it if there were no gain? They had to give the members SOMETHING for THEIR money, so they offered them what they could. Placement in the Kingdom of God, part of the ruling class, part of the 144,000 or in Ron’s case a place in the ministry for some. Everyone else had to suck it up and if it bothered you, get to work on getting IN with Ron and Laura. There are indeed gifts that Christ will bestow when he returns, but they are his alone to give. The cogs have nothing after you take the tithe away. They would leave you in a New York minute if there were no money. Members just want to hang on til the bitter end. Ron will be long dead before they see things for what they are. It may take many years of therapy before a gambler sees what he has done to himself. He may lose his home, his family , and his self respect long before he admits there is a problem. Their money should be on God, but it’s on Ron. They are gambling that he is correct, because their lives only make sense IF he is. By money of course, I mean faith. WWCG beat into us years ago that money and faith were synonymous.

  • Acts says:

    People have been Totaly conditioned in regards to the False prophecies of HWA , Most well meaning people will go on thinking they are doing the right thing and are in the right place . At the end of the day , if you can’t SEE the evil that has destroyed lives and continues to destroy and harshly rule over, then you have been led down a dark road and are lost, at this point.

    The false prophecy should take a back seat to the Murders , Adulteries , Robberies and False Doctine that goes against the words of Jesus Christ, The one They all claim to follow.

    Soon the leaders of these groups will be Destroyed and the sifting process will continue . The Fire will be made 7 times hotter.

    1Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2“The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, BUT THEY REFUSED TO COME

    4“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’

    5“But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and KILLED THEM ( Cut Off) 7The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers AND BURNED THEIR CITY.

    8“Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited DID NOT DESERVE TO COME 9So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.

    11“But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.

    13“Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    14“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
    The first will be last and the last First.

  • HWA may have started out with the best of intentions

    Well, no… just no. All you have to do is read “The Journey: A History of the Church of God (Seventh Day)” by Robert Coulter to realize that Herbert Armstrong absolutely lied. He got upset when the CoG7D wouldn’t automatically adopt British Israelism. He betrayed them and went off in a huff. He claimed that he started his Work in faith, but he didn’t: The CoG7D initially paid for the radio broadcasts and paid his salary for years after he split from them. By the time you finish Chapter 23, you realize that it was hubris, not sincerity, that drove Herbert Wolf Armstrong forward.

    Furthermore, the incest with his daughter for the first 10 years of his alternative ministry stands fairly well established, not just with David Robinson’s book, the revelation in divorce court with Ramona (for which we paid $5 million for a divorce for a man who wrote “How to Have a Happy Marriage”), the admission by Victor Kubic it didn’t matter, the Jack Kessler Letter but also the recent interviews with his grandchildren. Here is what the Watcher said:

    Herbert’s always unstable and fragile ego, his inherent manic-depressive tendencies and his repeatedly documented business failures and utter incompetence in the business world all led, as Bill Meyer acutely discerned, to a total mental collapse in late 1926.

    By 1933, Herbert was in turmoil again. He had crawled and connived to become a minister in the Church of God, Seventh Day. But he was transparently ambitious and obviously obsessed with ludicrous and heretical ideas.

    He was making repeated efforts to introduce ludicrous, crackpot ideas which were not even his own but had been stolen from the likes of Joseph Allen (British Israelism) and G.G. Rupert (Jewish holidays as embodying the Christian plan of salvation, Sabbath keeping and only eating ritually clean meats). As a result, by the fall of 1933, Herbert – as he even admitted (in a manner of speaking) in his autobiography – was again in the humiliating position of being rightly despised and distrusted by most of his colleagues.

    Yet suddenly, the opportunity of radio broadcasting opened up! And right after that, he had the opportunity to fulfil another long-cherished dream and childishly produce his own “dream” magazine on a mimeograph. From the depths of humiliation, Herbert was suddenly catapulted into the heights of achievement, at least in his own imagination. From being in the depths of humiliating despair, he would now have swung, as manic-depressives do, into manic exultation.

    Two consequences would have rapidly followed this transformation. First, one new idea after another – all of them crazed – would have flowed from his overheating mind down into his fluent and facile pen. And, as manic-depressives also do, he would have increasingly thrown caution to the winds in another area, the expression of his darkest erotic dreams and frustrations.

    And over at BritishIsraelism.com you find that he was a kook, well defined by Donna Kossy in her book collection of articles, “Kooks: The Outer Limits of Human Belief”, defining anyone (in chapter 3) who believes in British Israelism a kook (note that would include a whole host of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia, including our very own Conald Swineland, purveyor of false prophecy, collector of the Weinland Luxury Fund. DNA or not, the key to prophecy is a foundation of sand which has shown itself to be lies and delusions.

    And he was also fat — the roly-poly apostle.

    As for Weinland, the teens had it right “Go up, you bald head” (to prison).

    We’re waiting for the she bear to come out the woods and maul him.

  • The first will be last and the last First

    Oh, dear.

    That’s really bad news for the PKG.

    Wait!

    The are last and will be last at the last.

    That’s what you get for listening to Satan’s liars and deceivers: Weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness — PKG, consider where you are going to be — it’s not a pretty sight (and that’s AFTER you have finished your current miserable lives of torment for no particularly good reason by following an insane lying false prophet convicted felon).

    lose-lose.

  • Acts says:

    I do not believe HWA was An Apostle Or A Prophet.

  • Acts says:

    I do however believe The spirit and power behind him and his Ministry, has changed TIMES AND LAWS.

    And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time.

    Daniel 8
    11Yes, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of TRANSGRESSION ( breaking LAW) , and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and PROSPERED .

  • Acts says:

    World wide was a bad Tree, It was thrown In the fire. Surely what was not burned up then will be burned up soon.

    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

  • Acts says:

    Ezekiel 21:23
    And it shall be to them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

    The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast on the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

  • We’re still waiting for the Weinlands as the one and a half witnesses to bring down fire from heaven.

    Waiting and waiting and waiting and….

  • Ozymandias says:

    People with that kind of power don’t have to cheat on their taxes to get ahead.

  • Randy says:

    Ha the money whore told mom to delete caller ID when see calls!

  • Randy says:

    If anybody going to feast in Florida don’t tell my mom anything you don’t want LauraWeinland to know it will get to her faster than ATT !

  • Ozymandias says:

    Gossip seems to be the nasty little tie that binds PKG together. They all do it and say they have the churches best interest in mind. Sad that there are so many that feel it is ok to speak about everyone’s private business. I knew this years ago, and never told anyone something I didn’t want to have spread all over. It didn’t stop them though. All of your private business was public knowledge. This started way back in WWCG. It was greatly encouraged by the ministers wife at the time. She was a hot bed of information. Wife beating, incest, money problems, kid problems, you name it. If you were close to her , you heard it all. People get used to gossiping , and after a while it is just part of their every day conversation. Randy , your mom would defend herself if you told her she was gossiping. They just call it conversation. People have told me that a car full of people would blaze someone all the way to church. Ron was always concerned about “roast minister” but he was never concerned about the ” roast members” that his own wife served up.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    so true so true Ozy

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Randy,

    Is laura the yenta going to Florida?

  • Here’s what I want Laura to know: She is evil and wicked, useless and antisocial as well as anti Christian and ungodly as a lying gossip condemned by Scripture.

    Something for everyone to gossip about.

  • martin says:

    1 Peter 4:8 “Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins”

    Since Laura is intent on uncovering peoples sins (except her own), this means she loves no one.

    There are ways to deal with the sins of others, none of which Laura knows anything about.

  • martin says:

    Proverbs 10:12 “Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.”

    This is what Ron and Laura specialize in…they both stir up conflict…thus they have no Godly love.

  • Randy says:

    No elder
    She going to the Netherlands

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Randy,

    GOOD!!! Florida doesn’t need a “yenta” coming to visit!!

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Ozy: The way you stated “roast members” is so very true. It just couldn’t have been stated better. And using one of his sayings to show the absurdity of it all is just too apropos.

    Martin: You quoted the verse I think we were all thinking after Ozy had mentioned earlier in the week about covering a matter in a right and proper way. Ron fools himself into thinking that this is how he and Laura handle issues in pkg. Laura goes around sabotaging him at every point until he says well how can I legitimize this grapevine so the naysayers get off our back. He just doesn’t want to hear anything from the plebeians other than the sound of their pens writing checks to them.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Who here didn’t think that Laura would be changing the Florida destination to the Netherlands once Audra moved there with her newly wedded arrangement with Edwin? Perhaps there will be baby news now that Ron has kindly lifted the ban on babies. Just my own surmising, nothing that I now. It’s just how people like the Weinlands operate. Always to suit themselves without regard to anyone else in the process. SELFISH.

  • This is so representative of extremely selfish people: No regard for anyone else, totally self-centered, implacable, seeking narcissistic sources for their own aggrandizement, fun and profit.

    Obviously, the Weinlands only care about themselves and no one else.

    The only way to win their favor is through the Weinland Luxury Fund.

    The question is: Who really wants to sacrifice themselves for selfish people and get nothing out of it? Worse, ruining themselves to make the selfish people prosperous.

    Their reward: Abuse.

    Not a great deal.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    “Consequences” “… the results of one’s actions …”

    Since I have been dealing with a family crisis, I have become aware of the result of decisions that always have a “consequence” on the backside. Having my elderly mother now living with me has placed upon me the responsibility of making decisions for her that have consequences if a wrong decision is made.

    I have applied this to ron and laura. Here are some following events that had “consequences” that directly affect them and the gulag.

    1) Ron made a decision “not” to pay income taxes and deliberately defrauded the IRS. What was the result of this decision; imprisonment for tax fraud resulting from a decision to proceed with a deceitful action?

    The effect on the gulag (pkg) has been negative, in that, the membership is in decline and will continue to do so. So now the question becomes, how long will the remaining membership remain? Only time will tell on this one.

    2) False predictions of Christ’s Return. Making the decision, on more than one occasion, regarding the return of Christ has had its “consequences” as well. It has led to a declining membership as well as a loss of public confidence concerning the future of the gulag (pkg).

    3) Claiming to be God’s Prophet and Witness has also led to negative consequences. This has led to a declining membership and has had the effect of portraying ron and laura as religious lunatics in the public arena. This will negate any future growth of the gulag.

    4) Gossiping Leadership. One of the “so called” witnesses (laura) is one who cannot and will not control her backbiting tongue. The question is this, how can this person be a representative of God? Not to mention the “unholy elders” who are just as guilty as laura the yenta. Eventually this behavior will destroy what is left of the gulag.

    These actions by these two charlatans will result in “negative consequences” that will untimely bring to total ruin of what they have created.

  • Randy says:

    Elder
    We don’t want that bitch in Detroit either we have a Nuff money hunger whores ‘

  • juror bags says:

    How nice! Laura gets another “church” paid trip to visit her mini-me. What a PIG! Same old………same old.

    Better take ’em while you can. I am sure they are still pimping a decent amount of money out of the tithers but the great thing is they have all taken a serious pay cut and the pay cut trend will continue. They will also not be able to replace any lost tithers. Plus the taxes are taking HALF OF THEIR ILL-GOTTEN INCOME.

    Elder-pkg (no longer),
    Another key point you can add to you list of Weinland doom is the fact that they have a significant amount of bad publicity all over the internet. They also have lost many to this blog which is GREAT! Mike is still kicking and dancing so Conald Swineland’s “special powers” are NOTHING but another line of B.S. which further proves he is a LYING CON-ARTIST!

    Too many people use the internet in their lives on a daily basis. Weinscums bad advertising will only snow ball on him. More and more will become aware. Look at me. I had never heard of Ron and Family and in a short time I have become another thorn in their asses. Hi, Laurdass! Hugs and kisses you nasty money grubbing bitch! Maybe Ron lifted the rearing children ban because his CULT has no other or VERY limited options to bring in new members. Maybe he should target the illegals that reproduce like cock roaches. I don’t think they would go for Ron’s SCAM though. How do you say bullshit in Spanish?

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    juror bags,

    The spanish word for bullsh_t is “sandeces”

  • Acts says:

    Aramaic in plain English Mark 13:14
    “But WHENEVER you see the unclean sign of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, standing where it ought not ( He who reads, let him perceive ) then those who are in Judea should flee to the mountains.”

    That means FLEE the Group you are in and SEEK God.

  • Acts says:

    flee verb \ˈflē\
    : to run away from danger

    : to run away from (a place)
    fled flee·ing

    Full Definition of FLEE

    intransitive verb
    1
    a :  to run away often from danger or evil : 
    b :  to hurry toward a place of security

  • Acts says:

    God’s Word Translation
    “When you see the disgusting thing that will cause destruction standing where it should not (let the reader take note), those of you in Judea should flee to the mountains.

    Ezekiel 7:16
    But they that escape of them shall escape, and shall be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, every one for his iniquity.

    Destruction is caused by all these Groups. And destruction is coming on them . You do not want to be a part of it when it comes .

    26Mischief shall come on mischief, and rumor shall be on rumor; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients. 27The king shall mourn, and the prince shall be clothed with desolation, and the hands of the people of the land shall be troubled: I will do to them after their way, and according to their deserts will I judge them; and they shall know that I am the LORD.

  • Acts says:

    Ronald Weinland claims to be Right under Jesus Christ . David Pack claims to be right under Jesus Christ . The leaders of the other Groups claim to be right under Jesus Christ . All of them are part of this Abomination ! They are all divided . They all claim to be Gods true Church . They all claim to be God’s true Apostle for the end. They are all Vessels of wrath Prepared for destruction.
    People are led to the pit by these men. There is a day of punishment coming for them very soon now. It is punishment from God !
    They have Blasphemed his name , saying they are Apostles and Prophets , they have all put themselves in a place they should not be standing.

    Amos 3
    6Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD has not done it?

    9Publish in the palaces at Ashdod, and in the palaces in the land of Egypt, and say, Assemble yourselves on the mountains of Samaria, and behold the great tumults in the middle thereof, and the oppressed in the middle thereof. 10For they know not to do right, said the LORD, who store up violence and robbery in their palaces.

  • Acts says:

    Revelation 13:13
    And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men

    The Fire is from God, it is the Consequence .

    Deuteronomy 4
    23 Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD your God has forbidden you. 24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Idols of wood and stone are easy to recognize. Idols of men are a little harder. We have indeed made idols of men in this world, and unfortunately the churches of men are no different. The difference is sports and movie stars don’t really claim to be just under God, while ALL these ministers claim just that. Be careful what you wish for .To sit on the right hand of God or Christ is theirs to give. Christ sacrificed much for his position as King of Kings. He gave man all that he had. What are these ministers willing to sacrifice? Not fame, not power, not money! They may pay more than they know before it is all ended. I believe God says woe to those who pray for the end. They do this because they think their position is secure. James and John wanted to sit on the right hand of God. How was their end? I hope everyone has a blessed Atonement this weekend.

  • Acts says:

    Ozy , you have Witnessed it for most of your life. you and others ! make NO mistake about it , you are Witnesses ! and that is what it is about in the end. Gods people are all witnesses.

    It is a Witness of Hypocrisy and apostasy ! It is a Witness of Ron, and all the others who have turned their back on the Truth. It is a witness of rebellion .

    The temple is measured as well, but not Ron’s temple , Ron is a Gentile .
    Rev 11:2
    But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months

    the 42 months is the last witness of these guys going their own way in rebellion. They trample on the Truth of God, they wont hear the warning.

    Jeremiah 7:29
    Cut off your hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places;(Churches of God) for the LORD has rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.

  • Acts says:

    And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    Isaiah 1:8
    The daughter of Zion is left like a shelter in a vineyard, Like a watchman’s hut in a cucumber field, like a besieged city. 9 Unless the LORD of hosts Had left us a few survivors, We would be like Sodom, We would be like Gomorrah.

    Sodom and Gomorrah were burned up by Fire from heaven .

  • Opening Feast Prayer:

    “Oh Lord, we come before You as an abused people, subjected to the lies and deceptions of a false prophet. We have been terribly disobedient to You by following a man You told us to reject.
    “We now ask for Your great gift of repentance; open our eyes and ears that we may escape the bonds of Satan the Devil; give us courage to act on Your truth.
    “We humbly beseech You to be merciful to us as sinners and make this the last Feast we ever keep in the PKG.
    “We ask this now in the name of Your blessed son, Jesus, Amen.”

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 49:24 “Can the prey be taken from the mighty man, Or the captives of a tyrant be rescued?”

    25 Surely, thus says the LORD, “Even the captives of the mighty man will be taken away, And the prey of the tyrant will be rescued; For I will contend with the one who contends with you, And I will save your sons.

    26″I will feed your oppressors with their own flesh, And they will become drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine; And all flesh will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

  • Randy says:

    I bought Ron and LaurA a feast gift 2 pieces of rope with a noose in the end, enjoy

  • Randy says:

    What the bitch does now she calls has mom delete caller I.D then call her back at 1419 /::;;;, dumb bitch!

  • martin says:

    So the false prophet Laura doesn’t even want to pay the phone bill?

  • Randy says:

    Martin you know she on here reading this site and I post when she calls no she loves spend PKG money just look at the out transcript and see how much she spent at Jerrets Jewelry in Cinn. Ohio and don’t take her word look for you self !

  • Randy says:

    Court transcript

  • Randy says:

    The bitch is so noise and gossiper you no she can’t stay of here she needs to come on here and debate us so we can do a fact check instead of hiding and keeping everything so secret must have a lot to hide !!!

  • “…there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.”

    At least not from the Justice Department.

  • Randy says:

    Dog I remember my mom telling me that when I was a akid all will come out and no secrets keep !

  • Randy says:

    Doug
    Sorry

  • Randy says:

    Everyone is going to see Laura for the gossiper lying thieving bitch she is !

  • So… is Laura going out to Dunkin Donuts on the Day of Atonement?

    She has to keep up her strength — it takes a lot of energy to gossip….

  • I wonder how the Day of Atonement is going for Rotten Ronnie.

  • Will today see Rotten Ronnie bound for a thousand years in a place of restraint?

    Or is it still just three years?

  • Acts says:

    Rev 19:20
    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    And The Beast was captured and The False Prophet with it, who did signs before it by which he seduced those who received the mark of The Beast, and those who worshiped its image; and both went down and were cast into The Lake of Fire that burns also with brimstone.

  • Acts says:

    Along with all his other False signs , Ron has given another date for the return of Jesus Christ ,That is the absolute Pinnacle of signs and Wonders. Jesus Christ said to be watching all the time so you do not fall asleep . It is part of a testing process there is purpose behind it !
    Matthew 24
    45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord has made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he comes shall find so doing

    There is No purpose to know a specific date of his return in advance . That is the biggest Sign and Wonder Deception that a false prophet can ever give . And after Ron has been dead Wrong a handful of times already, you think he would have some humility and repent? How did he put it he would be highly Amiss If he did not declare the date ? Ron your whole life is amiss! , you are a dead man walking . And before you die you are going to go through some very hard things . I’d be amiss if I did not tell you that. Enjoy not eating today . The day of Atonement is sun night into Monday according to Gods Calandar .

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 58:
    6Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to LET THE OPPRESSED GO FREE , and that you break every yoke?

    7Is it not to deal your bread to the hungry, and that you bring the poor that are cast out to your house? when you see the naked, that you cover him; and that you hide not yourself from your own flesh?

  • Acts says:

    9Then shall you call, and the LORD shall answer; you shall cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If you take away from the middle of you THE YOKE , THE PUTTING FORTH OF THE FINGER , and SPEAKING VANITY .

  • Acts says:

    If anyone out there has information on how Hillel ll calendar trumps God’s Word I really would want to hear about it. I am not trying to offend anyone , but the cogs are following a man made astronomical calendar , It is FACT! That is not Scriptural . So among the Many , Many! MANY ! things HWA was WRONG about , This is a big one, if you are wanting to keep God’s appointed times . LOOK INTO IT don’t just believe what you hear! Don’t Just believe what you have heard all your life in some cases . Look into it and PROVE ALL THINGS.

    Thus said the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from the LORD.

  • Ronco says:

    “I wonder how the Day of Atonement is going for Rotten Ronnie.”

    Every day with Bubba is Atonement at Club Fed!

  • juror bags says:

    “Every day with Bubba is Atonement at Club Fed!”

    LOL! Hopefully, the crew in the big house are also regularly delivering days of A-TUNE-ment. You know, beating lil’ronnie (aka “Tattoo Tina the prison bitch). Hopefully they will knock some B.S. out of him and a little common sense into him.

    I just hope they are abusing him in one fashion or another. Giving the PKG doctor a taste of his own medicine.

  • If anyone out there has information on how Hillel ll calendar trumps God’s Word I really would want to hear about it

    OK then, let us give you delusional high concept proof:

    Rom 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
    Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    You see! From these two Scriptures, the Armstrongists have an entitlement to give immense credibility to the Jews for being the authority of all things Biblical — they have the oracles of God, which positions them uniquely to be authorities on such things as the calendar and the gospel of salvation goes to the Jew first so they are the acknowledged leaders! See — it’s simple. Plus, it removes any responsibility from Christians to do the boring work of working through the ritualistic practices of the Old Testament. Just ignore Colossians 2:16-17 where it says, “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of Christ” where the Apostle Paul makes it clear that the calendar is the province of the Church of Jesus Christ!

    You may also have to ignore that the Jews rejected Jesus and do not (and did not) have the Holy Spirit, so they are totally inept and incompetent to even begin to understand anything truly spiritual — but they do have the mechanics of physical rituals down pat — the Pharisees demonstrated that in spades!

    And so it is today that those Armstrongist leaders will naturally have an affinity to the absolute authority of the Jews, because said leaders also don’t have the Holy Spirit and don’t have a clue about the gospel of redemption through Jesus. It’s simple.

    And certainly Conald Swineland is the very flower of the essence of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia, not understanding anything spiritual (or ethics and morals for that matter, let alone knowing what’s legal and what’s not): He is blind guide leading the bland into perdition and making good money at it for his Luxury Fun.

    Finally — and this is a big one for Rotten Ronnie — let us consider the words of the Apostle Paul in Rom 13:1-7

    Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
    Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

    Including the IRS.

  • Acts says:

    Jeremiah 4:6
    Set up the standard toward Zion

    14 O Jerusalem, wash your heart from wickedness, that you may be saved. How long shall your vain thoughts lodge within you?

    For a voice declares from Dan, and publishes affliction from mount Ephraim.

    Make you mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.

    As keepers of a field, are they against her round about; because she has been rebellious against me, said the LORD.

  • martin says:

    First of all, the bible, God’s word, was written by fallible men.

    That is not to say the bible is fallible, but that God used fallible men to write it and to preserve it.

    God works through human instruments.

    So why is it difficult to believe that God could uses the Jewish people to preserve it?

    Or why is it difficult to believe that they were used to preserve calendar information?

    Now that is not to say that we go to them for understanding, but the words were entrusted to them for preservation.

    What out right errors or potential errors can be “sussed out” by looking at the vast amount of manuscripts we have available.

    For example the use of “Easter” in the NT (the Jews didn’t preserve the NT of course, this is just an example), we know this is outright wrong, and the correct word is “Passover”.

  • martin says:

    The bible has used pagan calendars in its discussion of certain events, now the Holy Days are not derived off pagan calendars but it may be there are some places where a Holy Day may (I don’t know off hand) be referred to by using a pagan calendar.

    For example the Sabbath is on Saturday. Saturday is the name of a PAGAN DAY (as are the rest of the days of the week).

    That the Western world uses this naming convention for the days of the week is of no consequence (unless you worship pagan gods).

    So if a person says, we’re using a pagan calendar, so that the keeping of the Sabbath on Saturday can’t be right because Saturday is a pagan named day, is a ridiculous argument.

  • Acts says:

    In old Israel the new moon—the day after the crescent was first sighted in the sky—was celebrated by sacrifices and feasting…” (Judaism, by George Foot Moore, professor of the history of religion, Harvard, vol 2, p. 22 )

    The Hillel II calendar was based on fixed calculations, not on the visible new moon sighting as the Jews had previously done when determining the beginning of months. (Dictionary of Judaism in the Biblical Period, by Jacob Neusner, p. 454 )

    The ancient Jewish calendar depended not on mathematical calculations and arrangements, but was set from month to month according the physical appearance of the new moon. Witnesses who had seen the first sign of the crescent on the horizon after sunset were expected to report the fact to the authorities, who thereupon published throughout the country the fact that a new month had begun. The year consisted of 12 months whose limits were determined by these observations. But, since the lunar year consists of only 354 days, eleven less than the solar year, it was necessary from time to time to “intercalate” a thirteenth month be- fore the Passover, to prevent its being moved back into the winter. This intercalary month was a “second Adar” and was added whenever a consideration of the sun’s position in the heavens, the state of the crops, or the new- born lambs, made it appear necessary.” (The Pharisees, pp. 601–602, by Louis Finkelstein, professor of theology at Jewish Theological Seminary of America; Jewish Publication Society of America, 1938, )

  • martin says:

    Re Hillel…

    Hillel’s calculation / calendar, and the Molad of Tishri

    Molad is a Hebrew word meaning “birth” that also generically refers to the time at which the New Moon is “born”.

    A “new moon” is the phase of the moon when it first appears as a slender crescent, shortly after its conjunction with the sun

    The Molad of Tishri is the new moon conjunction of the Seventh Month (Tishri)

    The importance of this, is that once this date is determined or calculated, then one can then go backwards and forwards from this point to DETERMINE THE TIMING OF THE REST OF THE HOLY DAYS.

    So from Hillel’s “calendar” calculations we use the timing of Molad of Tishri to determine the timing of the rest.

  • martin says:

    Astronomers can calculate phases of the moon etc……very accurately. Thus the old technique, spotting the new moon visually with the eyes is not necessary.

    Today is the 10th of Tishri(e). It is the Day of Atonement. Which on the western calendar is (today) Oct. 4, 2014.

  • Acts says:

    I know and love a lot of people who are fasting today . I am not Trying to condemn anyone . Just want people to look into these things for themselves .

    Psalm 118:8
    It is better to take refuge in the LORD Than to trust in man.

  • Randy says:

    First thang mom did was call Joyce to check in when she got home , sorry to say but my mom is just like LaurA , gossip , gossip, gossip

  • Ronco says:

    “but the cogs are following a man made astronomical calendar , It is FACT! That is not Scriptural . So among the Many , Many! MANY ! things HWA was WRONG about , This is a big one, if you are wanting to keep God’s appointed times . LOOK INTO IT don’t just believe what you hear!”

    Thankfully, we have the Apostle James Malm, AKA the ‘Official COG Pharisee’ to show us the light (the Shining Light, that is):

    http://82.221.105.8/~theshini/?page_id=450

    Just watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, and try not to swallow a camel while straining out a gnat…

  • As near as I can tell, not a single church of God has kept all the observances correctly according to the calendar — not a single one. The Armstrongists are wrong at least 60% of the time (or worse).

    Which rather begs the question of whether or not God really had it in mind for anyone but the ancient Israelites to keep the physical observances (including the Feasts) tied not just to animal sacrifices but to physical rituals which cannot at all be kept today. Was the Old Covenant replaced by the New Covenant or are we supposed to pick and choose, mix and match, based on the mental gymnastics of self-appointed prophets and apostles who don’t have a clue what they’re talking about and have been proved to be ungodly false prophets? We know for sure God doesn’t bless Armstrongist farmers who keep the seventh year land Sabbath because they just don’t get double (or triple) in the sixth year. Someone somewhere ought to have figured out by now that maybe, just maybe, God doesn’t want Christians today keeping that which He gave to the ancient Israelites — it was for them and them alone in the land He gave to them (which, after the destruction of the temple, they vacated for a very long time).

    Well.

    All we know for sure is that Ronald Weinland is a convicted felon.

    Everything else is up for grabs.

    I would suppose that over time with the enthusiasm some have for posting Scriptures, sooner or later the whole Bible will have been posted here.

  • FedUp says:

    Randy, no doubt they are telling your mom how important she is to the work by providing them with information, making her feel like she’s doing something for God. They’re coddling her for a reason. She isn’t rich, so it has to be that they can play on her loyalty to keep tabs on other people for them. Sad, really.

  • Acts says:

    “All we know for sure is that Ronald Weinland is a convicted felon.”

    Ah.. The plain Truth.

    People will go to their Feast location and have a lot of Laughs and rejoice in the False prophecy and the False Doctrine that their leader provides them with. And they will quote the verses about offerings on the High day and people will fill envelopes with Checks and cash and put them in a basket so their leader can Take a Cruise or buy another BMW.

    Should Gods Appointed times be Kept ? I believe so , but are they another Control for these Blasphemers ? Yes !

    God will sort everything when he Brings his Kingdom. My point is these great rulers , These Great Apostles And Prophets are worshiping HWA not God . HWA can do no Wrong to these leaders . So they all made an Image to World Wide.

    If Ancient Israel Sighted The New cresent Moon and kept the Calendar this way, why don’t the Cogs do that as well?
    Their whole calendar is Off .BB said it best , Basically the cogs believe that they are at the end of 6 Thousand years of mans rule on earth , but the calendar they follow says otherwise . Their Calendar says 6 Thousand years is up , over 200 Years from now. It is a Paradox.

    When you Take into consideration The Years of False Prophecy coupled with False Doctrine that has destroyed people’s Families and led people Away from God . You end up with STRONG DELUSION . A BEAST . Something that has sincere people thinking they are Following God ,but Satan and his ministers come like Angels of Light. There is no doubt that the World Wide Cog has changed times and Laws. And so have all the False Apostles and False Prophets That have come out of it.

    7
    The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms

    25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time
    19+38+9.5= 66.5 + 3.5 =70
    Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved

  • Ronco says:

    “If Ancient Israel Sighted The New cresent Moon and kept the Calendar this way, why don’t the Cogs do that as well?”

    Perhaps the ancient calendar is ‘out of date’ along with horses and chariots.

  • Ozymandias says:

    FedUp, you are exactly right. Ron and Laura do prey on peoples loyalty. They give people a false sense of importance so they will talk about others thinking, they have “the best interest of the church” in mind. They see it as their ” job” in the church. I have had elders tell me they have a ” job” to do. This makes it much easier for them to tell everything to Laura. She is the eyes and ears of the duo. Ron only finds things out after Laura brings it to his attention. This is why he can get so furious about a matter, depending on how much Laura nags about it.ladies like Helen feel they are important to the running of Gods church. They don’t know the damage they may do by discussing everyone’s business.

  • I’m not certain that the Jews planned things right.

    After all, it’s just a few days away for the Australians to celebrate the Spring Feast of Tabernacles.

    And if Hillel II has his way, in 20,000 years or so, the Feast of Tabernacles will be held during the Christmas – New Year’s holidays because the Feasts keep getting later and later and later. Just 14 minutes off a year or so, but after 17 centuries, the Spring Equinox is now on April 6th (or 7th depending upon leap year). The Jews know it’s wrong but can’t do a thing about it because they don’t have a Sanhedrin.

    The question is, did Herbert Armstrong even have the Holy Spirit — what with the works of the flesh and all, and exhibiting none of the Fruit of the Spirit: The very picture of II Timothy 3. And all those who proceeded from him, learned ‘at his feet’ and absorbed the nuttiness of British Israelism, stupid wrong church history from Ellen G. White, failed prophecies, who are absolutely daft, reject science, lie, spread delusions and (some of them) even become felons? Ego, power and money don’t add up to anything spiritual and throw in a little gossip (Herbert Armstrong himself called it “The Worldwide Church of Gossip”), with idolaters setting themselves as petty dictator Oriental potentates with absolute doctrines based on their kook opinions and you have… wait for it… CULT.

    The whole thing is a poisoned well, best left far behind.

    Conald Swineland is just one of the worst examples of the hubris and greed gone wild (although Yisrael Hawkins at the House of Yahweh takes some sort of prize as the worst ACoG, I think, being a topic on Dr. Phil from time to time).

    The PKG members are utter fools who really need to repent of their own idolatry to leave their idol insane lying false prophet convicted felon and his evil Jezebel / Sapphira babbling on in her gossip alone, isolated from any rational human (and apparently, the Weinlands aren’t so good for dogs either). And a lot of them will not change until they stop drinking.

    There’s all that weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth ahead if they don’t.

  • Acts says:

    That’s what it comes down to. You shall know them by their fruits.

  • Their awful rotting poisoned fruit….

  • juror bags says:

    Randy,
    In defense of your mother she is being manipulated big time by Laurdass the Money PIG. I am sure she does not realize that FACT. Women are usually much more verbal and talkative then men in general also. The fact that the Weinlands use predatory tactics on ALL of their VICTIMS is what defines them for the PIGS that they are. These lying scumbags work many for money and others for another form of personal gain or whatever they can get from them to further their agenda.

    The Weinscums need: MONEY, BRAINWASHED LOYALTY, OBEDIENCE FROM FOLLOWERS, MANIPULATION, TATTLE TELLING, and LIES to keep their CULT Luxury Fund engine oiled. Look at it this way. I have listed 6 key components (cylinders) for their pkg motor. If they lose any of these six things then the pkg motor no longer runs rendering their purpose USELESS. Therefore, your mom is a key component to keep the pkg motor running without realizing what her TRUE importance actually is to the “lying bitch.” Sad to say, but the only TRUE value your mom has to the PIG is merely another pawn to manipulate to further the Weinland’s luxury lifestyles.

    They would have no use nor care at all about your mother if they were not getting SOMETHING for THEIR USE from her. This is why I hate them so much and say that with pride. They beat up on elderly ladies and such because they are COWARDS. Send the Weinlands my way and let’s see how tough and tricky they are. They are LYING PREDATORY LOSERS that hunt like a pack of coyotes. Individually they NOTHING and run away. As a pack they are opportunistic but still not much unless they are after something they know they can easily beat up or kill. Around here coyotes get shot on a regular basis. They are useless to a large degree and eliminating them is encouraged.

    The Money Hooker Laurdass as you and I and everyone else here know is using your poor mom. Laurdass tricks your mom and makes her feel important because she needs all cylinders hitting in order to get what she wants. MONEY ultimately! The FAKE POWER and FALSE PRESTIGE is just a bonus for tricking others that fall for the Weinscum’s B.S. The Weinscums have very inflated EGOS as anyone can see except the blind they continuously blur the sight of. The Weinlands are gods in their own minds. We all know this FACT.

  • juror bags says:

    In reality the Weinscums are cowardice LYING LOSERS that elevate themselves upon some imaginary FAKE podium of meaningless LIES. They have no real purpose in life but to screw others out of their money. There is absolutely NOTHING good or redeeming about them at all.

    THEY ARE:

    THIEVES, FAKES, LIARS, SCUMBAGS, PIGS, CON-ARTISTS, IMMORAL, UNETHICAL, MANIPULATORS, PREDATORS, FELONS, TAX CHEATS, SWINDLERS, SELFISH, UNCARING, DESTRUCTIVE, EGO MANIACS, ………………….

    I can not find a single thing good about any of them. No matter how hard I try. There is NOTHING good about them. FACT!

    Name one good thing they do or have done. That is impossible because they could not even do it themselves at Ron the Con’s trail. They tried to make up some more LIES and ACT like they have a good quality or two but even those were MADE UP LIES.

  • Randy says:

    Thanks Bags

  • Byker Bob says:

    For those who enjoy good literature, it would appear that PKG is not unlike Rappaccini’s Garden!

    BB

  • Ah, the Poison… but after awhile, some become immune to it, even as contact with them poisons others.

    And Now The Ultimate Scripture that no one should follow Weinland:

    Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.

    There.

    You members of the PKG need to be like the Bereans and prove the Weinlands false daily.

    You now have all the Scriptures you need.

  • martin says:

    My question for all who wish to answer is this (and of course there is a reason for this question) :

    On what day of the week did Christ observe the passover? (that is the Last Supper)

  • Ronco says:

    “On what day of the week did Christ observe the passover? ”

    Depends on who you ask- Catholics say is was on Thursday evening. The Pope washes feet on that day.
    No one is even sure what year Christ was born let alone pinpoint a specific day for anything…

  • Ronco says:

    If you want a real calendar tale try looking up Computus- the method used to determine the date for Easter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus

  • martin says:

    Acts: on what day of the week did Christ observe the Last Supper?

  • martin says:

    (a bonus question….what year did the Last Supper take place in?)

    The reason for these two question and how they are related to calendar discussion will be explained later.

  • Acts says:

    Martin , This is the answer to your question .
    Luke 24:1

    Luke 24:13-21

    Notice verse 21

  • martin says:

    I’m pretty sure Acts knows the day of week….but may have to look up the year.

    So Acts….
    1) What year did the Last Supper occur?
    2) What day of the Week did the Last Supper occur?

    🙂

  • martin says:

    …you responded as I posted….a second while I look at verse….

  • martin says:

    Yes….but what day of the Gregorian week did he observe the Passover? (the Last Supper)

  • Acts says:

    Christ was the Passover he could not observe it that year because he was killed . Died Thursday Afternoon the 14th of Nisan same time the lambs were being killed . The Passover is eaten with unleavened bread after Sundown at the beginning of the 15th , but Christ was in the grave at that point. Luke 24:21 proves this.

  • martin says:

    Check verse 1 of the chapter again.

    Luk 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very EARLY IN MORNING {G3722: dawn, as sun-rise, rising of light, by extension, morning}, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
    Luk 24:3 And they entered in, and found NOT the body of the Lord Jesus.

    So according to verse 1, He could not have been entombed any later than THURSDAY MORNING AT SUNRISE.

    In fact it was earlier…..it was on Wednesday at sunset.

  • martin says:

    Another very important question (before addressing the calendar issue).

    What year did the Last Supper take place?

  • martin says:

    One of the things that confused me for a long time was the expression “Jewish Passover” or “Jew’s Passover”.

    You see, when Christ was arrested the Jews did NOT partake of the passover yet. Christ kept the passover “a day early” (actually there’s more to this then meets the eye).

    Christ KEPT THE PASSOVER. He explicitly said so, so why is it hard to believe this? He did not keep a “fake” passover because he was going to die and not be able to keep it. He kept it. He said so.

    The reason you find the phrase “Jew’s Passover” (or similar) in the NT is because the Jews combined it with the 1st day of Unleavened Bread….they kept the Passover ON THE WRONG EVENING.

  • martin says:

    It was not called God’s Passover, or simply the Passover, because it was not the correct Passover.

    It was the Passover the Jews observed, on the wrong evening, thus it was the “Jewish Passover”

  • martin says:

    But there’s more to this question than meets the eye…..

    Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

    Christ does NOT say “eat this supper”, He says “eat this Passover”. He kept the passover. He kept it on the correct evening.

    The Jews kept it on the wrong evening. It is stated multiple times in multiple Gospels.

    He kept the Passover.

  • martin says:

    So the important question than is this…..and the reason may surprise you……

    What year did this occur?

    To find out, you look for the date of the JEWISH PASSOVER (on a Thursday), with correct passover actually being on Wednesday.

    With that information you check which passovers occured on Wednesday (after making correction).

  • Acts says:

    Martin , I know what the Cogs believe . I do not follow them. The truth is, Portions of three days and three nights are fulfilled . No place in Scripture does it say 72 hours needed to be fulfilled .

    Verse 21 : It was Sunday the first day of the week they were speaking . Three days ago he said these things happened . Three days before Sunday is Thursday.

  • Acts says:

    I WONDER if Ron is working on his new Book?

  • Acts says:

    Really cannot wait for that one ! To bad It might not even be half way done by the time he gets out.

  • martin says:

    3 days and 3 nights, before the very verse you quote, shows the latest point in time could not be after Thursday sunrise.

    Why do you seem to disagree with the very verse you quote????

    The Hebrew, in regards to Jonah is explicit. It doesn’t use the modern vernacular, but it is explicit in that it is 72 hours.

    That is, 3 days and 3 nights. Why is that difficult to believe? It’s pretty plain.

    God meant what He said, and said what He meant.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Wondering why the Bible is subject to so many different interpretations. Being divinely inspired and all.

    All this confusion leaves an opening for vultures like Weinland to exploit the confused.

  • martin says:

    Here is one more question, then I will explain the relevance of all this and how it relates to the calendar question.

    It’s a pretty easy question.

    Acts: What Hebrew month and what day was Passover commanded to be observed?
    (lets disregard which is the correct evening for that date for now)

  • Acts says:

    Here is my all time favorite false prophecy by Ronald
    THE EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT APRIL 1 2011

    This Sabbath (April 2nd) ends a very unique time in all history. It is the end of four cycles of “half-a-time” in the period of “time, times and half-a-time” described in Daniel 12. There are only three more periods of “half-a-time” remaining before Jesus Christ returns as King of kings over all government on earth.

    A “Time” of Judgment
    Tomorrow is the beginning of a new period of time for this end-time. It is a “time” of 40 weeks in the “complete judgment” to be executed upon the scattered nations of Israel and upon the Israel of God (the Church) that was scattered. The whole world will suffer during this period, but the focus is upon both physical and spiritual Israel.

    In the past, I have not had the need to write much in the postings on this site. That will all begin to change as we are entering a new stage in time. The Thunders will increase in far greater magnitude and frequency and the first few Trumpets will sound with great devastation to follow.

    We are entering a momentous time. After two years of mercy, the United States will now begin to answer for ignoring God’s warnings. Great Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the continent of Western Europe are going to begin to answer right alongside the U.S.

    The times ahead are not going to be pleasant upon these scattered nations of Israel, nor upon the Church that was scattered. Their suffering is not my causing nor my fault, but the fault of every person who has refused to listen to God and repent.

    All this will be followed by the final “half-a-time,” which is the great execution of judgment upon the remaining nations of the world.

  • Wondering why the Bible is subject to so many different interpretations. Being divinely inspired and all.

    Because people want their own pet theory to be correct, so they proof text so they can increase their Dopamine levels, making them feel so much better than accepting truth, proof and science.

    Fools only listen to what they want to hear.

  • Acts says:

    14 th day of the First month 30 A.D.

  • martin says:

    Here is a complete list of the days between A.D. 29 and 36 on whose evenings Passover began:
    (These are the dates the Jews kept the passover)

    Monday, April 18, A.D. 29
    Friday, April 7, A.D. 30
    Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31
    Monday, April 14, A.D. 32
    Friday, April 3, A.D. 33
    Wednesday, March 24, A.D. 34
    Tuesday, April 12, A.D. 35
    Saturday, March 31, A.D. 36

    Note something interesting…there is NO THURSDAY in this list….(where Thursday evening begins a Jewish Passover)

    So that the theory that Jesus was killed on Thursday CAN NOT BE.

    Jesus knew what a day and night was. He knew how many hours were in a day.
    (Joh_11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? )

    There are twelve hours in a day, thus there are twelve hours in a night, thus 3 days and 3 nights is 72 hours.

    Why is this difficult to accept? No need to fudge anything, no need to say “well, 3 days and 3 nights are not really 3 days and 3 nights”.

    Christ meant what he said and said what he meant.

  • Acts says:

    Martin , The Jews don’t keep Passover like the Cogs and neither did Christ . He was a Jew Remember. The Friday April 7 th date you posted fits perfect , Thursday night started the feast of Passover or unleavened Bread when the lamb was eaten , it was killed before sundown Thursday Afternoon.

  • martin says:

    I will have to double check the dates…..I believe they are correct, I did not compute them myself…

    At any rate, according to site, it is the evening of the day listed, so for Friday, it would be Friday sunset…going into Saturday.

  • martin says:

    The calendar issue is a very difficult issue. It is certainly not a trivial thing to deal with.

    It can be very confusing and hard to understand.

    Since nobody wanted to answer this question I asked, I will answer it.

    Question: What Hebrew month and day was Passover to be observed?
    Answer: Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.

    That is, the 14th day of Nissan.

  • martin says:

    There is a reason I bring that up. I will explain in a few minutes.

    The reason will be surprising.

  • martin says:

    I am using the Gregorian to Hebrew converter here…

    http://www.bsswebsite.me.uk/Daysanddates/hebrewdate.htm

    I think there are discrepancies in the earlier dates listed….I will have to check around later this week.

    For example Friday, April 7, A.D. 30….on converter it lists the day as Sunday not Friday.

    I think the dates are right, but the day of week is wrong.

  • martin says:

    OK…I will use this date: Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31

    THE DAY IS INCORRECT as listed above.

    The CORRECT DAY is THURSDAY, March 27, A.D. 31, that is March 27, 31 A.D., falls on a Thursday (verified with converter).

    Jesus kept it “a day earlier” on WEDNESDAY, that is, He kept it on the correct evening which was 24 hours before the Jews would have kept it. So for Jesus, the passover “day” would have been from Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset, this sounds like the date I list is correct, but the date listed is for the Jewish passover not the correct “24 hours earlier” passover that Christ kept.

    At any rate the Jewish Passover would have been on Thursday March 27th, the one Christ kept was on “Wednesday” the 26th, starting after sunset of Tuesday. (it is more correct to say He kept it on the 4th day).

  • martin says:

    (so again, the date appears correct, but the day of week appears incorrect, I hope my explanation wasn’t too confusing)

  • martin says:

    ANYWAY.

    Here is something surprising.

    It doesn’t matter which we pick (Wednesday or Thursday in the year 31 A.D.)

    Wednseday : **** WAS THE 16th OF NISSAN!!! ****
    Thursday : **** WAS THE 17th OF NISSAN!!! ****

    Did you know that??????

    And Passover was to be kept on the ***14th of NISSAN***.

  • martin says:

    So I will ask.

    How is it that Christ kept the Passover?

    How is it that the Jews (if they were correct) kept the Passover?

    When Christ kept it 2 days later, and the Jews kept it 3 days later?

    The bible says Christ kept the Passover, or if you want to believe that the Jews kept the correct date, that they kept the Passover.

    YET NEITHER KEPT IT ON THE 14th of NISSAN.

  • martin says:

    So if we pick a Passover that occurs on a Thursday (Acts pick), then a (Jewish) passover occurring on a Thursday occurred in 31 A.D.

    Or

    If we pick a Passover that occurs on Wednesday (3 days and 3 nights before Saturday sunset).

    We have 2 dates where NEITHER occur on the 14th of Nissan.

    Yet we are told that Christ KEPT the Passover.

    The explanation to this issue will also help explain the calendar issue.

  • martin says:

    I will continue tomorrow.

    🙂

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    No martin. Let’s end the calendar discussion here. Or I’m ending it with your comments on moderation hold,

    Tell you what. If you want to start your own blog discussing calendar issues or whatever your pet theories are, I’ll put a link to it here. Otherwise, let’s stick to talking about Weinland,

  • martin says:

    I was responding to Acts comments regarding the calendar issue/question. Otherwise I wouldn’t have brought the points I listed up.

    To be fair, Acts is way more verbose regarding many pet theories, I am only responding to this particular one.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That may be true.

    While I give some latitude, there has been too much taken. Let’s stop the pet theory discussions. Here and now,

  • Ronco says:

    “Wondering why the Bible is subject to so many different interpretations. Being divinely inspired and all.

    All this confusion leaves an opening for vultures like Weinland to exploit the confused.”

    Well Mike, you hit the nail right on the head. Few things are more powerful than the quest for hidden knowledge…

  • Acts says:

    The reason I like the False prophecy of April 1 2011 the best is because It is very UNIQUE in the way that it is a False prophecy inside a False prophecy , you just don’t see that everyday. It makes me Wonder How many False prophecies will be included in his latest timeline?

  • Acts says:

    Indeed, only a very short time remains before it will be evident that I am who I say or that I am not. In the past 1900 years, have you ever read or heard of a publication from any religious leader who has made such claims, laying out such a precise pattern for the near future with such precise timelines? You have not! This is the evidence (witness, testimony) of the true God of Abraham!
    Ronald Weinland

    Indeed.

  • Ronco says:

    You see, (insert name here) has plain answers to the greatest questions from the Bible that are unknown to almost all…

  • Acts says:

    And how can anyone forget The Day Of Christ’s Coming ! May 30th 2012
    This “Day of the Lord” is a prophetic day that has a duration of a full year in its fulfillment. It began on Pentecost of 2012 and it will end on Pentecost of 2013. God has revealed that May 27, 2012 was the “prophetic day” for the return of His Son as King of kings. It will take one year to become fulfilled

    God’s final day has now begun!

    God’s Time , June 15 2012

    Yes, the “Day of the Lord” is a year in actual length. May 27, 2012, was the beginning of the “Day of the Lord” when Jesus Christ will return on the final day of Pentecost 2013.

    This “day” is about Christ’s second coming and all that will build up to that climactic event when he returns on Pentecost 2013.

    Time Has Run Out , September 15 2012
    God’s Church believes that on May 27th God revealed we had entered the “day” of Christ’s return, but that it was a “prophetic day” which is a literal year in length, from God’s Holy Day of Pentecost of 2012 to Pentecost of 2013. We now have 35 weeks remaining before the coming of the King of kings to reign over all the nations of this world.

    Thank God this is His “day!” Now, the “only” One Eternally Existing God will bring an end to man’s governments and man’s religions, as He commands the “Trumpets” to sound that bring about this final end and opens the way for the true Messiah of this world to come on Pentecost of 2013.

  • Acts says:

    Measuring The Temple Part 2
    On a purely personal, physical level, I would rather not proclaim another date of Christ’s literal return as King of kings: however, as a prophet and apostle, I would be highly amiss if I failed to declare that time, if I believed I knew it. On a spiritual level, I am incredibly excited and inspired by additional understanding God is now giving concerning this timing and I am, therefore, deeply moved to have the opportunity to share it with you

    😀

  • Acts says:

    This is what the Lord GOD says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Deut. 18:20-22 says it all!!! I fail to understand why the prisoners in the gulag fail to understand this. Any student of prophesy understands what is written and it is clearly NOT what ronnie the hoax and his sidekick laura the yenta have proclaimed!!

    Freedom from those TWO is a huge blessing in itself!!!

  • Randy says:

    Ron, asshole instead of a $1700 suit you have a government issued suit
    Instead of a airplane flight number you have a Fedral prison issued number
    Have a rotten feast you basturd!
    Oh yea tell Bubba we all said hi hahahahaha

  • juror bags says:

    Yeah Randy,
    It looks like Ron the Club Fed Con will be missing yet ANOTHER feast so he can once AGAIN attend Bubba Fest in cell block D. Heard it thru the grapevine (that’s another word for GOSSIP, PIG!) that Bubba has a date named “Tina” that he will be partying with for the festivities in cell block D.

    As long as THE TWO PIGS ( not two witnesses, really what they meant to title themselves, but witnesses sounded way cooler and more official than MONEY GRUBBING PIGS ) can collect some tithe cash it will all be good. The PIG and the PIGLET could probably care less Ron won’t make it and has reservations to hang at Bubba Fest instead.

    TICK-TOCK!! Ron might be a little upset after the Bubba Fest. Also heard Bubba was going to trade him off for a pack of smokes and Snickers Bar after the FEST! Rag Doll Ronnie must be a hit in the big house with his newer boob tats on his back.

  • Randy says:

    Yes sir bags ,,,,,

  • juror bags says:

    Now how is it that Ron is running the entire PKG again? He’s in PRISON. It is impossible for him to run a cult and collect the stolen tithe cash. Isn’t it? So Laura, Audrass, and Spineless Jeremy must be cohorts in crime. Right? PKG does not just exist and the P.O. Box needs SOMEONE for pick ups. The Luxury Fund also needs some spenders. Ron can not spend any tithe cash currently nor can he pick it up and deposit it into Weinscum personal banking facilities. Can he????

    Like I have said from day one…………. ALL of the Swinescums are GUILTY. Laurdass is 100% as much as her lil’ Ronnie. Audrass is a 90%er and Spineless is an 80%er according to my GUILT METER. These percentages can be disregarded entirely on the FACT that God’s STOLEN TITHE CASH IS HOW ALL OF THE WEINLOSERS MAKE A LIVING. THEY ARE ALL IN ON THE SCAM, THE LIES, THE MANIPULATION, AND THEY ALL PROFIT FORM STEALING TITHE CASH!

    Audra has directly participated a lot just like mom and daddy-o! So has Silent Spineless Jeremy to a degree. Even if he has not taken his BMW to loot the P.O. Box he HAS received stolen property and / or benefitted which pins GUILT on him also. These losers are NOT kids. They are adults that DO NOT have to participate. They choose to play the game because it is very lucrative. PERIOD!

  • Randy says:

    I don’t think Ron the asshole is run anything he is to dump ,Bags I think the money whore is running everything to keep the money flowing, she is to damn ugly to work the streets

  • Ronco says:

    The FOT sermons are up at PKG site…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks Ronco. I had actually taken a look at that, and had a comment. Left on a new post for capturing yours.