It’s been a couple of weeks since Weinland’s last posting, comments left wondering when another would come out.

Then Plimsol commented on the previous post.

But wait – there’s an announcement!

Owing to pressure of work (in prison), he’s not doing any more posts for at least a month.

Interesting. Maybe he’s got bored and is giving up.

—– Here is False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s announcement ————-

Due to the work that goes into getting posts on this website and all the work for those that are involved with preparations for the fall feast season, there will be no more posts made to this site until after the Feast of Tabernacles.

———  End of Announcement ————–

I wonder exactly what preparations Ron is making from behind bars.  Probably writing all the sermons for his tame lackeys to read, after Laura and her band of merry women rewrite them.

For reference, the holy day season is later this year with the Last Great Day on October 16.  So we’ll have to wait until the second half of October for “Measuring the Temple – Part 5”.


  • Randy says:

    It’s a busy job being Bubba bitch ! 🙂 I love it !

  • HereIStand says:

    Interesting….damage control?

    I am wondering if Ron’s increasingly disjointed and rambling posts (possibly due to prison isolation?) resulted in others sidelining him a bit. I notice the speakers last week were pretty good and were giving a nice, fairly normal “churchy” message.

    My guess is that “management” realized that the excitement of dramatic prophecies is waning since none of them come to pass so they decided to go with a more mainstream message. That might draw some new recruits or at least stop threatening the old ones with “corrective in nature” posts.

    God is probably not the focus of this group right now. More like how to preserve cash flow.

    Interesting to see if it works.

  • Acts says:

    2008 GFW
    September 11, 2001 is one of the more significant days in end- time prophetic events. It was the day the Sixth Seal of Revelation was opened and the day the First of the Seven Thunders began to sound.
    FALSE Prophecy !

    Ronald Weinland is NOT A Prophet of God Or An Apostle ! He is Nothing but a Fool!
    Sept 11 was not the sixth seal !

    Revelation 6
    12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, see, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every slave, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME ; AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND?

    The Day of the Lord is near. The Day of the Lord did not happen 13 Years ago. When that day comes, Ronald Weinland , David Pack, and all the other mighty Leaders Will Not Stand .

    Isaiah 34:8
    For it is the day of the LORD’s vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.

  • Ronco says:

    Now I’m really ticked off…
    Oh well, in other news our blue-tasseled buddy Zerubbabel has donned his towel and doped out another end date- Dec 2 this year. Mark your calendar!

  • Laura the Lard probably just doesn’t want to drive up to Prison in her BMW — it’s not as much fun as gossiping.

    And we’d be so much more impressed with a message about “Measuring the Prison Cell”.

    Maybe Conald Swineland has been chosen by god to be the silent witness.

  • charlie says:

    awww…come on ron can do better than that..illegitimus non carborundum…

  • charlie says:

    maybe thats illegitimii ..excuse my latin

  • martin says:

    How long is the drive from house to prison?

  • martin says:

    Zerubbabel “He sent His only begotten Son a couple of years ago in the manner of a thief in the night to harvest His First Fruits that make up His temple.”

    What is this nonsense? I think Zerubbabel has gone (more) batty.

  • Soap Opera says:

    I hope mike doesn’t mind but I like to put this warning up a couple of times a year for any PKGers that are new to this site.
    Warning to any PKG members considering going over to Restored Church of God.
    I left Ron and went over to David Packs group, it all sounded correct at first.
    Its not till you are attending you see Pack for what he truly is.
    They claim to be the same as World Wide was under HWA.
    Not true, they do have most of the teachings but there are differences.
    They say when something is different it is God reveling new understanding. They don’t use the term present truth but they may as well.
    Getting cash from the members is the main focus.
    1st tithe, 2nd tithe and 3rd tithe are all on the gross, not what you actually get in your hand.
    Mr Armstrong had changed this to what you got in your hand and also had done away with third tithe saying the government was administering third tithe by taking taxes and then paying it out in welfare.
    An example of how money hungry Pack is:
    He says that if your heart is in the work you will take a loan on your house and send it all in.
    I saw this happen with one person just before his prophecy of all the old World Wide members going over to Restored before and during last feast failed to come to pass, I wonder if they are now sorry they gave all and no longer have their own home.
    If the wife is not a member of Restored the husband should take out a loan on the full value of the property and send it in.
    If the husband is not a member of Restored then the wife should take out a loan on half the value of the property and send it in.
    Have garage sales and send it in, do extra hours work and send that in. the list goes on.
    If you are considering moving on and wish to hold fast to Gods ways then I would advise you to stay at home as a large number of ex PKGers are now doing and down loading old World Wide sermons.
    For fellowship with others of like mind, there are plenty of others doing this you can over time build up a network with.
    I personally also every few weeks attend one of the other COGs occasionally, even attend the holy days with them but refuse to become a member of any group.
    This works well for me as I live in an area with no other members near but does give face to face fellowship.
    Stay away from Pack, Flurry and Coulters groups as they also are extremely control and cash oriented.
    If you do go back to listening to HWA you will realize how incredibly far Ron has gone from the teachings we first had given to us.
    It is hard leaving but once you are out, life really does improve immeasurably.
    Also by not committing to another group immediately it gives you time to settle.

  • Gone and Forgotten says:

    I’ve noticed I get a little giddy this time of year now as I don’t have to sit and listen (and pretend to fully believe) all the swill we were fed. I have been meaning to check when the feast was this year, now I know. I should have picked up on Ron’s mental issues early on, after all I have had a lifetime of predicting Mom’s mental breakdowns….for my own safety. For some reason, I chose to be blind to it all… not any longer. Victimizers like to portray themselves as victims when their prey realize the evil before them. Ron and Laura are no different… I am really enjoying the Fall season more and more! To those still in the Erie group, please take a step back and do some serious contemplation. Time is not your friend in this case.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Well, I guess it is now time for the “sedation” churchy messages. “HereIStand” has hit a good point.

    Let’s face it, ronnie the hoax has to move away from the “prophesies” and “demonic” themes, as well as, the who dies and who does not die routines. ronnie the hoax has figured out it is to controversial for what is left of the gulag membership. Some people get anxious over these types of messages and begin to reach out to family members and friends outside of the gulag. Tell me, how does the membership answer this question, “where is your prophet”? Oh, he is in prison. For what? Tax fraud and evasion.

    Oh Really!?

  • martin says:

    When you breath lies it’s hard to come up with a new one.

    Every time you lie you have to come up with a new lie to cover the old lie while at the same time not sounding like a lie itself.

    It’s a very thought and time consuming process.

    Has Ron the tax cheat and tithe thief run out of lies?

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Soap Opera,

    I have to agree with you, in that, staying at home and keeping the Holy Days and the Sabbath and finding the source materials for Bible Study and so forth has been extraordinary for me. I no longer wish to subject myself to any of these self-serving charlatans, and yes, there is a group of ex-pkg members that are doing very well and have open arms for any who decide to leave the gulag.

    So any of the pkg’s who are planning leaving the gulag there is a group who will help you make the transition as well as this blog. This is the starting point because most of the ex-pkg’s did start here.

  • martin says:

    Just a reminder to PKGers who are reading….

    Not one of the Seven Thunders ever happened. Not one.

  • Happy ex-pkg member says:

    Elder-pkg (no longer),

    So any of the pkg’s who are planning leaving the gulag there is a group who will help you make the transition as well as this blog. This is the starting point because most of the ex-pkg’s did start here.

    Just wondering about this group… Are they still fol lowering the teachings of HWA?

    I am an ex-pkg member and yes this blog was a tremendous help to me and still is..

  • martin says:

    Almost all that PKG currently teaches is the opposite of what the WWCoG taught when HWA was alive.

    They have the keywords like Beast, False Prophet, The Two Witnesses etc…etc….but the teachings are totally different than what was taught in the WWCoG.

    Basically the only thing that PKG has in common with the WWCoG are the Sabbath and Holy Days.

  • martin says:

    For example the Man of Sin (according to Ron) is Joseph TKach Sr.

    But Ron is an imbecile, because the bible is plain that the Man of Sin dies at the Second Coming.

  • charlie says:

    maybe ron could go to iran as a missionary

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Happy ex-pkg member:
    There is a group and many of those members do follow more of what HWA taught. There is a meeting of the minds as far as the 7th day Sabbath and the Holy Days (most believe still in the 14th along the lines of what Christ observed in the New Testament as HWA taught rather than the 15th keeping of Passover). There are some differences between those in the group. I think the consensus is that there is no longer a human organization but rather a spiritual body that makes up the church of God and as such God is the namer of who is to be a part of the 144,000, not a minister. There is consensus that the WWCG collapsed due to corruption and false teachings of doctrine.
    Obviously there is consensus that while we are in the end times the two witnesses have not yet come on the scene. Or there is a belief that others choose to wait and see the manifestation of what the Two witnesses will be. Are they human or or they sent by God? What can be gleaned from scripture? They are the representatives of God and Christ and most do not believe it would be a woman. Although some don’t have concerns over them being male and female. The way things were done in pkg revealed that the Elderships only caused division and that Laura and Ron were not the witnesses spoken of in the Bible. The failure of his prophecies to come true multiple times only proved that he would continue to replay the time line to suit himself, even after he said he wouldn’t. I.e you tube video that has been played in this blog.
    It is harder to tell however where we are in time line as far as Christ’s return. Christ will have to reveal this. We are given the task of watching. And some feel that the churches in Revelation are the spirits of The Lord rather than actual points in human history. Or some maybe feel they are both, having both metaphorical and human/historical application.

    You are going to find that the group has foundational cores. Most believe in tithing like HWA instituted, while others feel tithing was twisted into a different form from that which was intended by the early Christians. The disfellowshipping idea some feel also has been taken out if context and used wrongly for purposes of controlling the brethren. I’m one who believes that the idea of disfellowshipping has been abused by the churches of God. It’s history is founded in many of the pagan religions and has been used according to these applications rather than biblical foundation and scripture. Do a study of disfellowshipment and you will see that these instances are few and were used as reflection time rather than for purposes of shunning because you had questions or fearful of outside influence where you had legitimate issues about doctrinal issues or a dispute about how tithes are being spent. Inbreeding in the church, meaning keeping it within yourself, keeps the fear of outside influence having a strong effect on the members. The social group and the leaders fear anything that rocks the proverbial boat so disfellowshipping and demanding tithes has been largely an issue of keeping control of the people and using fear tactics to keep them in their place within the social group and believing that without the social group they are lost to God. And now condemned to various groups and the lake of fire. So the lake of fire in their mind then becomes more a mercy killing as these people condemned to this group have no way of repentance or changing of their heart back to the ways of The Lord. Somehow we on this blog ended up in this unfortunate group, and are destined to spiritual death because God revealed this to Ron. It’s really horrific.

    I think whoever finds their way to the group, outside the blog, will find spiritual peace and enjoyable Sabbath communication.

    It is nice to know that the blog has helped you and anyone else as you made the tough decision to leave pkg. We all know here that it isn’t an easy decision. The people here who were not a part of pkg try to be as understanding as to why we choose to believe the way we do. They are here to expose something they feel is a heinous misuse of church money, taking advantage of people, or teaching wrong doctrines. The fault here on the blog lies more on Ron and Laura than it does on the brethren.

    The group is very happy and isn’t about speaking about Ron and Laura as much as it is about peace, letting go of negativity, sticking to the trunk of the tree as a foundation for consensus and growth, and realizing that your relationship is between you and God in these end times. We are trying to lean on biblical understanding, not our own or Ron’s understanding. Fellowship and support is there as well as much more. There is a place for everyone and no one is trying to garner anything for themselves. If you are interested in learning more please feel free to ask Mike for my contact and I will give you information.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Martin mentioned that pkg has both the 7th day sabbath and the holy days to reflect HWA teachings but they also retain the tithing and disfellowshipping just as HWA taught. He wants tithes he’s sent I weekly or bi-weekly rather than monthly. If you sent it in every five weeks or six weeks I’m to understand you were given a letter stating your precarious spiritual position on the church. There were people who were fully employed and were in jeopardy of losing their house. Some members suffered job lose and hours were lost during the financial crash and so e even had to take salary cuts. Ron didn’t take these factors into consideration. It was always just the bottom line with them. You had a bill to pay that outweighed any other responsibilities. But they aren’t going to help you when you lose your house or have to file bankruptcy or when you have to get your food from a food bank. They did help some people over the years who were somewhat of the squeaky wheel that got the grease.

    All other doctrines like the Beast, the Two Witnesses, as seem to follow HWA in some way and things that are place in Revelation are supposed to have both a dual meaning both spiritual and physical. Not sure if HWA believed this duality or not. Ron changed a lot according to the times. HWA believed that during his time of as an apostle that a physical temple would be built in Jerusalem. Furthermore, HWA would not have agreed with the nature of God and there not being two God entities, with Christ pre-existing. I personally think this has been area of much speculation on both HWA and Ron as well. I don’t think this is a doctrine and cannot be fully known or understood until Christ returns.

  • Ronco says:

    If Ron is going to take a break from posting then PKG should take a break from giving!!!

  • Acts says:

    2008 A Rumor of War
    By Ronald Weinland

  • Acts says:

    Matthew 24:

    4And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

    5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled

  • Acts says:

    34Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

  • charlie says:

    question for ron weinland when God does send HIS two witnesses ( and He will ) …do you and laura intend to confront them ?..shouldnt take very long to really find out

  • Ronco says:

    Joseph TCat Sr… LOL!!!

  • martin says:

    While the book of Revelation is filled with symbols, the vast majority of it has physical application.

    As to the nature of God, why can’t one know the nature of God in this life? It is the most important knowledge of all.

    Do we know EVERYTHING about God? Well of course not. But there are basic things about God we can know, should know and ought to know.

    For example, say we are calling the President of the United States.
    We dial the operator.
    We say to the operator “Please connect me to our communist leader”

    Just how far do you think you would get? You would get no where soon.

    If a physical leader does not want to communicate with you, because you misunderstand *what he is*, why do you think God would allow this if a dumb human would not?

    One of the purposes of the bible is to reveal God and Who and What He Is.

    Again, no we don’t know *everything* about God but there is plenty to know and we should know it.

  • Acts says:

    Laura , it is time for a reality check. Do you understand the punishment of People who lead others in the wrong way? I know you do not understand , If you really understood you would repent quickly . I want you to know that there are things that you are not even close to seeing at this point , you have absolutely no concept of prophecy and what it is about . Prophecy in the bible has Little to do with the World as a whole. This current world will pass away, just like in the days of Noah , NO ONE Knew what was coming . It will also be like Sodom and Gomorrah , it was destroyed in one day. This is the Truth from the bible . This is the Truth from Jesus Christ.
    Luke 13:34
    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which kill the prophets, and stone them that are sent to you; how often would I have gathered your children together, as a hen does gather her brood under her wings, and you would not!

    This is what prophecy is about. It is about the church in this time of the end . It is about false prophets and false Teachers who control God’s people and scatter and destroy Gods people . Sadly you and your husband are part of this problem .
    You both are Guilty of going against Jesus Christ , you are both AntiChrist.

    These are the words of Christ :36But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Your husband gives a Another Date? Who does this benefit ? YOU and HIM ! It does no Good for people ! But it keeps the money coming in for you! The Truth is , no date should ever be given ! That is not Gods will to give a date . It is Gods will that his people remain watchful and endure till the end . That is the Truth! 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delays his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looks not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Christ is coming in an hour you do not know to give you your portion . Plain and simple !

    Here is another matter that shows your partiality in Gods Law and your complete disregard for the Words of Jesus Christ.
    10And to the married I command, yet not I, BUT THE LORD Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

    39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives

    Mark 10:12
    And if a woman divorces her husband and marries someone else, she commits adultery.”

    Exodus 20:14
    “You must not commit adultery.”

    Your husband is Arrogant ! full of pride ! He is partial in The Law of God . You will follow him right down the path of destruction ,without repentance .

    7For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. 8But you are departed out of the way; you have caused many to stumble at the law; you have corrupted the covenant of Levi, said the LORD of hosts. 9Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as you have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

    People look to you for Truth but you are long turned out of the way . God is not happy with you at all. There is no escaping the Judment that is coming Repent!
    10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.

  • Acts says:

    Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.

  • Acts says:

    Think about that for a while , before your husband breathes out more Lies.

  • My cat has now done something sure to irritate Conald Swineland: He’s changed all the doctrines and changed the name.

    What Mikey is saying is much more real and grounded than the Swinelands.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Let’s hope your previous cat was not also a false cat! Imagine if people turned to that previous cat for “original” doctrines, not realizing that he, too, had changed doctrines and name! I’m hoping you didn’t have two false cats, a Weinland one, and an Armstrong one.


  • Ronco says:

    TCat or not TCat…

  • The original doctrines of The Supreme Commander of The Supreme Cult may be found here.

    They look suspiciously like the Radio Church of God and the Worldwide Church of God.

    It’s the second regeneration of TCat; he was regenerated in the CARdis; he is now CEO of GCI (which, if you have not looked, is not what you might think it is… or maybe it is).

    My cat has always been a true cat; it’s just that he was Mikey, President of the United States and now is Mikey, The Spy.

    It’s all good… and a heck of a lot more entertaining than Swineland.

    I take that back.

    It’s all great!

  • Ronco says:


  • Randy says:

    They say how bad things are now in 1944 Hitler killed 6 Million Jews

  • Ronco says:

    Good point, Randy!

  • I wonder what went wrong.

    After all, didn’t Weinland have the booklet, “The Seven Laws of Success” at some point?

    Note that one of the missing ‘Laws’ was planning — those who fail to plan, plan to fail — and we assume that it was because in depth planning ruins faith.

  • juror bags says:

    An answer to the previous thread that I believe Charlie asked….. about the money and Ron getting $23 thousand or so a month and the Weinscums keeping the millions.

    It is my opinion that the Swinelands were spending this money almost as quickly as they could drive to the P.O. Box to pick it up. It was going out as fast as it was coming in so to speak. The Clan hit a windfall of sorts with the hyped up the Google Ads and such. This was also the same time they were spending excessively and exactly how they were reported and caught. A banking institution contacted the feds because there was so much money activity (a lot of cash coming in and then going out quickly) in the Weinland’s accounts which is typical of money laundering and raised suspicions ultimately landing Profit Ron into Federal Prison.

    Like your typical uneducated hill-billys the Weinland’s had won the lottery. At this time they had hit the religious tithes jackpot. They were in the BIG money! And as we can see this windfall of tithe cash has been their downfall which WILL CONTINUE to spiral into a total disaster and financial woes for these scamming con-artists. With all of these millions of dollars Ron had nothing left to even post his bond with. Ron and his PIG could not use their home on the golf course as bond collateral because they HAD NO EQUITY and likely owe more than it is worth. Either way, their fancy home is a worthless asset. Their fancy home is a TURD with shingles, doors, windows and siding. Useless and of no true value other than an uppity roof over their heads and bragging rights about living in Triple Crown Country Club. THEIR FANCY HOME IS A FINANCIAL BURDEN.

    This is why Joyce Garrett had to put her home across the street into hock and use it as collateral for Ron’s bond. This leads to the scenario that Ron and Laura also did not have enough cash of their own to post his bond either. Another big mistake these scamming fools made was paying the way too much top dollar purchase price and then tossing in more money doing the basement finish and the outrageously priced landscaping throwing more go money at the bad. Then the housing market crash. By the way, the landscaping is not all that and the Weinscums were taken for a money ride there. I have seen it in person when I drove by shortly after Rotten Ron was CONVICTED. I should have honked the horn because I am sure he was there at the time tethered by his electronic leash. Ron was likely in house shoes or flip flops sporting his IRS supplied ankle bracelet.

    To further support my opinion that Ron and Laura are hurting financially is that there are million dollar homes in their hood (many for-closed) that are selling for what Ron and his PIG Queen paid for theirs. Ron and Laura live in the SLUMS of Triple Crown. They are in the cheap seats but after all it is all about the image! So when million dollar homes are on the market and not moving for $400-$550 thousand do you think Ron and Laurdass are going to get their $387,000 purchase price and the other $60 thousand plus for the basement and yard decorations for Audra’s FIRST FAILED wedding reception? Hahahahahaha! Good Luck! No one is going to pay almost $450 thousand for the Weinlands “church” crib when they can drive to the other side or the golf course and throw out that kind of money and get a million dollar home that makes the Weinland’s “church” look like they kids play house in the back yard of the million dollar home. You do the math.

    Lastly, I will mention that I feel that most of the tithe cash that Ron and Laurdass did have on hand before Ron’s trial was taken by Ron’s Attorneys. THEY GET THEIR MONEY UP FRONT. These lawyers would not have given Ron ANY line of credit knowing that he was going to jail. That is how lawyers operate. They get PAID UP FRONT. Period! There is no doubt in my mind that these attorneys KNEW that Ron was going to jail before they even took a payment from God’s Tithe Spender. Looks like Ron the Con got beaten at his own game of swindling money. If these jack wagons would have performed like they did for Ron and IF I would have paid for that service and professionalism I would have had their asses. They were a VERY EXPENSIVE joke in my opinion. One of them feel asleep during the trial and fell out of his chair. Seriously! He than asked to be excused and walked out but at that time the judge did a recess for everyone to take a bathroom break and stuff anyway. That was hilarious!!! I have to thank Ron and his PIG for picking up the tab on that free entertainment. LOL!

  • juror bags says:

    Now we will fast forward to the present.

    Ron and the Scam Family are not getting these millions of dollars these days and Ron’s 15 minutes of fame is long gone and now PROVEN to have been a hoax anyway. Ron and Company are now burdened with these FACTS and they are advertised quite well all over the internet. For the Weinlands it is game over! There is entirely too much truthful, valid, and proven information out there about the PKG CULT SCAM and it’s Con-Artist leaders. The Weinlands (all four) are being seen for what the truly are.

    They are operating a SCAM disguised as a PKG “church” which is a CULT driven for the SOLE FACT and purpose so that the Weinland’s can MAKE MONEY stealing God’s tithe cash. This tithe cash becomes the Weinland’s PERSONAL INCOMES as soon as it arrives into the fake “church” P.O. Box in Cincinnati, Ohio. All of this tithe money and offerings or donations instantly gets added to the Weinland Luxury Fund’s bottom line. Yes, you guessed it, this money does go into Ron and Silent Jeremy’s wallets and also Laurdass and Audrass’ purses. This is a known and PROVEN FACT! A fact that the IRS did not take to kindly to. This is why Ron the Con is sitting in Federal Prison because he not only did not pay his income tax and his tithe income but was STUPID enough to screw the IRS out of refunds each year on both His and Laurdo’s returns and Audra’s.

    How GREEDY could someone possibly be????? Ron and Family were not happy with all of the FREE TITHE MILLIONS of DOLLARS that became THEIR CASH, but they also expected the IRS to pay out as well. STUPID IDIOTS! I find it hard to believe anyone could be that IGNORANT. Ron and Family are hating life now because their OWN GREED did them in. They could have kept all of the money and the only thing they had to do id throw Uncle Sam a couple of bones.

    Hummm, OK, Now these LYING and THIEVING Scumbags are not seeing but a small percentage of what they thought was the never ending supply of free big money. GREAT! Now they are getting a small pittance in contrast and their PERSONAL INCOME taxes are taking about half of that. YIPPIE SKIPPY! They are upside down in their “church” on the golf course and Audra’s condo. The P.O. Box’s door hinges are sqweaking and it seems to be drying up with no new suckers in sight. Ron and Clan are getting more BAD publicity daily and more are becoming aware of their SHAM. The BMWs are now 7 years old.(Hey PIG, Is that why lil’ Ronnie’s #2’s are taking a break or is the gas getting expensive and you are sick and tired of staring at corn fields on your long commute thru Indiana being a witless witness? OINK, OINK!) They had to pimp Audra out into another shot gun wedding so someone else can help with THAT financial burden. Travels and vacationing has tapered way off. These Cons are now stressed and in serious damage control mode all while watching it ALL SLIP AWAY in their front row seats to that show. I am sure that is not nearly as fun to watch as the Blue Man Group was in Vegas on that “church” paid vacation. Everything is costing them and they can only tread water so long until they drown.

    On the bright side you bitches have plenty of jewelry to pawn and there are plenty of pawn shops. On the down side BMWs are very expensive to maintain as they age and yours are reaching the age to be turned out to pasture. You will take some serious hits unloading your homes. Ha Ha! No sympathy here. Taking those trips to Terra Haute surely has not helped the shopping sprees and the health of the Luxury Fund. It is so sad that your fat ass can no longer afford to fly first class to pick up the prison sermons so that kinda leaves ya with the very boring high mile corn field roll in the not so new Beemer. Besides, the airlines are cracking down on luggage and I am sure they would nail you for some extra fees for your (fat ass) carry on. VILE DISGUSTING PIGS! LYING THIEVES! What is Audrass going to do when this marriage fails when hubby #2 figures your SCAM out or get sick and tired of the high maintenance PIGLET and her domineering back stabbing mother?

    Soon enough Audrass will not even be stripper pole material due to her age and fat ass. That job would be a pipe dream for her. Pun intended. She has no skill set unless LYING and SCAMMING can be applied. Maybe the real slummy strip joints might let her have a go on their old worn out pole. TICK-TOCK!! TICK-TOCK!!

  • juror bags says:

    It was Ron’s “forensic accountant” that fell asleep during the trial not one of his three equally useless high dollar attorneys. That “forensic accountant” was a COMPLETE WASTE of money and I am sure he was also quite expensive. This guy contributed NOTHING. He did not make one single statement nor did he provide a single piece of evidence during the entire trial. Hell, he couldn’t even stay awake! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! This dude was only good for breathing, sleeping, and filling a chair. Why was he even there?

    I think Ron and his PIG wife could have accomplished the same thing giving a homeless man $10.00 a day to sit there. CHA-CHING! Ron and Laurdass, you two took a real good screwing there. How much did you have to pay him to sit there for eight long days taking naps? Chuckle, chuckle! Thanks!

  • Acts says:

    Proverbs 22
    3 A prudent man foresees the evil, and hides himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.

    Aramaic in plain English

    A prudent one sees an evil man being scourged and is powerfully instructed, but fools pass by him and suffer damage.

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 9:16
    for those who guide this people have been leading them astray, and those who are guided by them are swallowed up.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts, that just what I remember him saying, and THATS why were gone PKGERS. Because he nothing but a LIAR and a thief. I know Ron believed most of his own hype, so he may not lie about all of it, but he HAD to know after 2012 that he was in total error.. I believe he knew way before that. Wow these guys are all alike!!! They must be cut from the same bolt of ministerial fabric. Full of it right up to the top. Does anyone know if he got all the equity out of his house or not? It would be ironic if he spent it all. I wonder how many people actually gave everything , including the house , to Ron? I know of some that gave their 401k savings, and bought thousands of dollars of survival junk. We may need that food after all , if you gave your money to Ron.They always made you look unfaithful unless you dug deep and gave away the children’s milk money. A famous phrase was how would you like to be blessed on the gross or the net? All kinds of little catch phrases for the simple minded folk we are. People need to study to find out what God REALLY wants from us. Love God and keep his commandments is the scripture. We can’t do that at all , so I don’t think we have to worry about the weighty matters. The church keeps people feeling HOLY because they give their money. SO DID THE PHARISEE, PEOPLE!!!! This is why he felt soooo good about himself. He gave lots of money. BTW, Christ called him a VIPER. Tithing was always the very first commandment in the COGS. First they would ask you if you were keeping the Sabbath, then are you tithing? THIS they could check up on. If you were watching TV on the Sabbath you got a sermon , but if you weren’t tithing PROPERLY you got kicked out. Money is were the heart lies and it always has been. They always made it seem like THIS was the test of faith. Personally I have come to believe we are not required to tithe, BUT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE TITHE TO YOU, you set yourself in the place of the Levitical priesthood and NOW you are RESPONSIBLE for every dime. I wouldn’t want to be in any of the ministers shoes who have abused this. Ananias and Sapphira were not required to tithe on the land they sold , but once they said they would, they were obliged to do it. We all know they DIED for their lies. WAKE UP PKG!! Even if you are not the ONLY church of GOD , just claiming you are puts you in a different category than the rest of the world. All the COGS will suffer for their arrogance and lack of humility. PRIDE IS THE LEGACY YOU HAVE INHERITED FROM THE COG.

  • Ronco says:

    TCat has TCrunch…

    Crunch cat food, that is.

  • That why Mikey eat in private, away from other cats.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Ozymandias I just hit the “like” button and gave a thumbs way up for your recent post. And there is the honest truth all wrapped in one post from someone who has experienced it all. We share the same thoughts in the Pharisees. It’s the mind of pride and desire to be ahead of everyone else that shows the error in pkg.

  • Acts says:

    John 10:10
    The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

  • Acts says:

    There is only BAD FRUIT from Ronald Weinland . Not one good thing has come from this man . He has taken people’s money , he has Spiritualy killed people by leading them away from God. He gives signs and wonders . Dates ,are signs and Wonders . BS timelines are signs and Wonders ! people just don’t seem to understand . He is False prophet a hundred times over and beyond that he has perverted scripture and the words of Jesus Christ . Now like a true Snake he gives another date! How many parables does Christ say Watch ? Over and over again ! Anyone who has the slightest bit of understanding should know that an actual date given is not in Gods plan. But it is a major Sign and Wonder from a FALSE PROPHET ! The reason God would never give a date should be so obvious from Scripture ! It is to try and test his people to see who is a Faithful servant. Ron is by no means a faithful servant! He and his wife fulfill Matthew 24:24
    For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. They also fulfill 2 Thesalonians : 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. The son of perdition is Satan and he is revealed in Ron . He is in other leaders of the other groups as well and has been deceiving the entire world for thousands of years. This is different in the end because Gods own people are now under his control and can’t see Truth anymore . It is a testing till the end.
    8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all delusion of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Even him ? Even all whose coming is from the working of Satan ! And because Ron and his gossiping wife do not love the Truth along with certain nut job ministers in all the other groups , They will all be Judged by God as Unfaithful servants . Without repentance they will have committed the sin that is not forgiven by god . That is Gods judgment and the lake that burns with Fire will completley snuff out their lives for ever. REPENT REPENT REPENT ! Wake up and see what you have done !

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts , PKG is so filled with the pride that it was instructed in over the years , that they feel THEY cannot be deceived! They believe they are the elect and that false prophets could TRY to deceive them but could not . They don’t know that this “strong delusion” comes from God himself! Ron was the first minister that I know of to say we were Laodicean . Several years later, when it suited him, he said the era was over and more recently that God was well pleased with the church. HA! You can’t find THAT in the scriptures! The COGS are so filled with pride , so filled with being ” the called out”, the ecclesia , that they cannot see what has happened and who these ministers really are. PRIDE keeps you from believing you could possibly make a mistake. This goes for Ron and Co. and the entire church. They are looking at everything thru Ron colored glasses. If he’s happy , they’re happy. I don’t know that I feel any of it is not forgivable by God. Lucky for us he is FILLED with mercy and always know out true heart,but there will be weeping when The Lord comes and they realize they wasted their life in a fruitless pursuit. Perhaps the “son of perdition ” is the mindset of the entire set of COGS. This is what they will experience when they find out they aren’t the “special” people they think they are. I have been around for a long time , and none of these people are evil at all. Just mislead by a false prophet.

  • Acts says:

    “I don’t know that I feel any of it is not forgivable by God.” I agree with you Ozy. I do not mean it is unforgivable to the followers . It is The leadership that I am calling out. The punishment for False prophets and teachers is death . Only God can make the determination of how far the leader has gone ? Has Ron Blasphemed the Holy Spirit ? There may have been a time Ron was following god and keeping his commandments (there is a difference in following God and keeping his word ) this does not mean we all do not have sin , we sin every day.But we repent of Sin. When it comes to someone who knows what is Right and teaches people Wrong it is another story. Hebrews 10:For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

    27 But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    29 Of how much worse punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, with which he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and has done insult unto the Spirit of grace?

    30 For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, says the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

  • Acts says:

    Ron is Not the First one in the COGs to Change times and laws to his benefit. He is just part of something very subtle , while people are waiting for WW3.
    Daniel 7
    He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.

    Been going on a long time. maybe a generation ?

  • Acts says:

    This period will ” Prove ” who is a faithful servant of Gods Word and who is unfaithful .

    He who kills with the Sword must be Killed with the Sword.

    And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  • Acts says:

    If Ron follows God like he claims then why does he go against his Word so much ? Has he Forgotten ?

    2 Timothy 3:16
    All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work.

    ALL SCRIPTURE ! FROM GOD. and how much has this man in the name of new truth gone against scripture ? He thinks to change times and Laws.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Remember Mr. Waterhouse? He always gave time lines. Bet Ron was his #1 student, and always sat in the front.

  • Gerald Watermouth was all over the map — how could anyone be a student of that chaos of such a cluttered and confused mind?


    Got it.

  • Ozymandias says:

    My poor little boy used to cringe when he saw him cause he knew we were in for a 3 hour sermon. Get the point? He must have said it 50 times in one sermon. A legend in his own mind.

  • Acts says:

    The Witness in Revelation is a Witness of The Church . 2 people are not going to all of a sudden show up and preach to the world . It has nothing to do with the World .It is not something that will be seen on TV. It is a Witness of the Truth in a time of Rebellion (Apostasy ). Ron and Laura don’t have a clue what they are a part of or what they are fulfilling Nor do the foolish leaders of the other COGs. God will judge every man according to their Works and their works are NO GOOD. And that is why there is no Date for Jesus Return , that is why he warns over and over again in scripture ” Behold I come as a thief , because when he comes he is going to find The Tares over his people who have been abusing them for many years ,and perverting his words to their gain , and ruling over people in harsh judgment and breaking up Families . He will say to them plainly I NEVER KNEW YOU .

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign . That is what Christ said . He said also ,that is the exact thing that will deceive people, Signs and Wonders. Rumors of War , Dates , Timelines ,

    The measuring of the Temple has to do with The Truth. Those who are seeking God by his Word and those who are outside the temple , who trample on God’s Word and think they are above it (like Ron for example )And the other cog ministers who are also in Rebellion . It is not a witness of the world and its religions and Governments . This world was judged a long time ago . Judgment is on Gods House. And it is a spiritual Temple not a temple that people are waiting for to be built in Jerusalem . It is the temple God is Building and he is measuring it by his Word.

  • movin' on says:

    “I suggest that you draw closer to them and show and express your love for them.” ~ Elder-pkg (no longer). I needed to hear that. It has been a long 6 1/2 years. I’ve had to learn to not care that he spends all his time, money and energy on his cult and not us. That was very difficult for me. There isn’t much love left but there is peace and we make pretty good roommates. The kids are doing well and that is what matters at this point. I hope things are going better for you in your corner of the US.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Movin’ On:

    Thanks for the good advise and I will do so. Personally, I no longer give a damn about ronnie the hoax and his diabolical cohorts. It really is a horrific thing that he has done to people’s lives and I will welcome the opportunity to stand against him at any given time and place!!

    Also, I just wanted to let everyone know that my 85 year old mother is now living with me and I am in the process of organizing all her affairs and so forth. So, at the moment, I am only able to drop in here and there. As things settle I will be able to be here on a regular basis.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Movin’ On:

    I also wanted to say this. I do want to be here to support any who are leaving or planning on leaving the gulag (pkg) to be a helpful voice. There are several ex-members who post here and will also reach out to those who are making this decision to leave. This is a good thing.

    Hearing others experiences with the gulag can be very helpful and connect with what they are experiencing. This is something that ronnie the hoax FEARS and that is why he attacks this blog and the former members that speak their minds here. This bring great satisfaction to me to know that ronnie the hoax can be countered in a big way!!

  • Acts says:

    James 3:6
    The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the WHOLE BODY , sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

    Matthew 15:11
    What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.

  • For the bored and jaded we give you a blast from the past (which turns out to be prophetic): Cretins for Christ.

    From 2008. A golden oldie for sure.

    It’s hard to believe that 6 years have passed.

    Where has the time gone.

    Certainly not into prophecy.

  • And I hope none of you have missed The world (begins to) end….on Thursday.

    And I always thought it was going to end a week from next Tuesday after the tribulation.

    “And there shall be great tribulation” except for those cursed by Ronald Weinland.

  • Acts says:

    Proverbs 1:31
    therefore they shall eat the fruit of their way,
    and have their fill of their own devices.

  • charlie says:

    thank you juror for your post ..some things i didnt know ..and you were there ..and thank you elder no longer ..actually ron has inadvertently helped me …after i came to see the wrong ..not his wrong ..that was obvious ..but my wrong by being deceived has made me go deeper into the scriptures to actually see for myself and thus has enabled me to move on…oh and thank you mike ..for two things…first this site which has been tremendous help ..and second ..for not being so speedy on the dying thing ..LOL ok that was a dig at ron …we have to have a sense of humor ..mine is a bit different ..but hey works for me

  • charlie says:

    oh ADELANTE !!!

  • Byker Bob says:

    I’m thinking that if Scotland votes to secede from the UK tomorrow, we should be hearing all manner of proclamations of doom and gloom emanating from Armstrongism. No doubt someone, somewhere will be saying it signals the beginning of their tribulation. Seems like I may even need to dig out my old tribulation greeting cards!


  • bilbo says:

    Scotland voted to remain in the UK.

    Sorry Armstrongists, there will be no apocalypse just yet. Everybody except [insert your church here] is not going to die just yet. Isn’t that awful? /s

  • Isn’t it so amazing that all the Armstrongists are such liars — and there’s no excuse because we’ve told them the truth? They have to keep making up new lies to cover the old ones. They have certainly had a witness. Of course, they won’t listen because the truth would ruin everything.

    The most amazing thing is that the PKG continues to wallow in the cesspool of lies. I guess they’ve gotten used to the stench. It’s so warm and comfortable in the cesspool, they just can’t bring themselves to leave that toxic sludge.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Yes, immunity to the stench. For this, I blame all of the flatulence present in the mens’ dorms at Ambassador College, permanently altering the nostrils of generations of young aspiring ministers. This was a sub-topic of virtually every dorm meeting I ever attended, and no amount of words ever resolved the problem. We have observed the anal retentive nature of the personalities of the majority of the WCG ministry throughout the past, yet this would seem to be positive evidence of the opposite disorder, as well. Anal Expulsive. What a devastating, and counterintuitive combination!


  • Lies as a business model?

    Not for a healthy one.

  • Acts says:

    Ezekiel 22
    9In you are men that carry tales to shed blood

    12In you have they taken gifts to shed blood; you have taken usury and increase, and you have greedily gained of your neighbors by extortion, and have forgotten me, said the Lord GOD.

    13Behold, therefore I have smitten my hand at your dishonest gain which you have made, and at your blood which has been in the middle of you. 14Can your heart endure, or can your hands be strong, in the days that I shall deal with you?

    I the LORD have spoken it, AND I WILL DO IT.
    15And I will scatter you among the heathen, and disperse you in the countries, and will consume your filthiness out of you. 16AND YOU SHALL TAKE YOUR INHERITANCE IN YOURSELF IN THE SIGHT OF THE HEATHEN , and you shall know that I am the LORD.

  • Acts says:

          1Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, 2“Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy from their own inspiration, ‘Listen to the word of the LORD! 3‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Woe to the foolish prophets who are following their own spirit and have seen nothing. 4“O Israel, your prophets have been like foxes among ruins. 5“You have not gone up into the breaches, nor did you build the wall around the house of Israel to stand in the battle ON THE DAY OF THE LORD. 6“They see falsehood and lying divination who are saying, ‘The LORD declares,’ when the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope for the fulfillment of their word. 7“Did you not see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you said, ‘The LORD declares,’ but it is not I who have spoken?”’”

    8Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, “Because you have spoken falsehood and seen a lie, therefore behold, I am against you,” declares the Lord GOD. 9“So My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will have no place in the council of My people, nor will they be written down in the register of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel, that you may know that I am the Lord GOD.

  • Acts says:

    foxes among ruins.

  • Acts says:

    And He said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down.”

  • bilbo says:

    > Lies as a business model? Not for a healthy one.

    Doug, you already know this, just saying it again for any new readers. Psychopaths have lobes of the brain that are not fully signaling. They don’t empathize with others, they can’t “feel” what others feel. They often don’t feel fear and inhibition the same either. This makes them quite daring, and even unafraid of being caught in a lie. Life is a movie to them. With any of the psychopathic behaviours (killing, fraud, political), getting caught usually happens because of clues left by some lack of self control they just can’t help.

    Ron’s behaviours fit all these clues. It is those clues that convinced me he is running a for profit business, and does not believe a word of his own astrology, the doctrine is just a product he is selling to others. I *know* that some close friends lost and still there, are there because they can’t see this, or believe it. Another thing that makes psychopathy successful – normal people just *can’t believe* that someone could be such a predator that is so disguised in plain sight. He smiles, he jokes, he shakes hands, how is it possible? It’s unbelievable. And that makes them good prey.

    The way Ron handled May 27 2012 was probably the same way he handled 2008, 2011, whatever other years, months, he dangled carrots in front of. In the “morning after” sermon, a noteworthy lack of remorse, a very shallow and insincere “oh I had such concern for all of you”, absolutely ZERO breath of his previous guarantees and God proving him, literally not giving the slightest shit about being caught in his lie. Then in the courtroom, flaunting the situation. Not giving the slightest emotion or shit about being caught lying and defrauding the authorities, in fact, treating it like a joke.

    All signs show someone whose brain is not fully processing concepts of consequences, right and wrong, empathy, and even elementary responsibility for one’s actions. Other cues too. These are big examples chosen off the pile. But lots of other cues that added up once I realized, things from meeting him and Laura in person too. Nice people, but yes, I can see the outward superficiality of it.

    What are they NOT doing?

    2 Corinthians 2:17
    Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.
    (contrast the for profit business)

    2 Peter 1:16
    For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
    (contrast the zero prophecies fulfilled with new lies spewing constantly)

    James 1:27
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
    (contrast … I’ll let the pkg spouses vouch for the tenderness of the ministry)

  • Acts says:

    “All signs show someone whose brain is not fully processing concepts of consequences, right and wrong, empathy, and even elementary responsibility for one’s actions”

    Too Right!

    May 27 was the beginning of the End for the Weinland Family . Ron knew it was over but he foolishly Rebelled instead of Repenting .
    All his false doctrine all his False Prophecy , then may 27 comes and he was a Proven False prophet ! He should have been on his knees before God and the church! Apologizing to All in a massive repentance ! Making things right with everyone he led in the wrong direction and making things right with God . What Did he Do ? He Immediately gave another False prophecy without batting an eye! I Witnessed this happen . Ron was so presumptuous in every way for the entire period before 2008 and then up to May 27 2012. then it came time to manup ! It came time to do what he said he would do ! I know this man thought in his mind he would not have to pay his taxes because he thought everything was going to fall apart , not so Wise ! he was delusional ! He believed his own Lie. When you take into account , The books , The radio interviews , IdeaCity and all the rest of the False Witness , you end up with a man who is “Quite Insane” !

    Insane ! But also a Snake ! With that Forked Tongue , both him and his wife . Ron knew he had to come up with something quickly , he knew he was about to Go to Jail , even with his high paid legal team , he knew he was going NO DOUBT ! Spent church money on his lawyers ! WHAT A GUY ! Why not right , Maybe just maybe they can get me off. In the meantime here is a massive Carrot for the brethren , It’s the Day of the Lord from May 27 2012 to May 19 2013 , PKG is once again Pacified ! For a year while he can get used to jail and have a little breathing room to conceive more lies .

    Ron goes To Jail . May 19 comes and Wow can you believe it ? It was not the Day of the Lord after all 🙁 But what does Ronald do ? Onward we go with more lies . Only this time he is in complete Lockdown mode dividing and conquering ! From 2013 to this day he has done nothing but try to cover his ass with lies and cut off anyone who stands in his way. He is an arrogant Pathetic Little Child ! And that is what God Calls all these guys .

  • Acts says:

    Nahum 2:10
          10She is emptied! Yes, she is desolate and waste!
                Hearts are melting and knees knocking!
                Also anguish is in the WHOLE BODY
                And all their faces are grown pale!

          11Where is the den of the lions
                And the feeding place of the young lions,
                Where the lion, lioness and lion’s cub prowled,
                With nothing to disturb them?

          12The lion tore enough for his cubs,
                Killed enough for his lionesses, Sound Familiar ?
                And filled his lairs with prey
                And his dens with torn flesh.

          13“Behold, I am against you,” declares the LORD of hosts. “I will burn up her chariots in smoke, a sword will devour your young lions; I will cut off your prey from the land, and no longer will the voice of YOUR MESSENGERS be heard.”

    It’s coming .

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Interesting how Ron believed with every fiber of his being that Christ was returning on May 27, 2012. He criticized members who hedged their bets and kept some money back just in case. Yet he had a legal team busily filing motions in advance of the trial scheduled to begin _after_ Christ returned. Things that make you go “Hmmmmm”.


  • Acts says:

    Crazy Crazy Crazy Isn’t it Mike . If Ronald really believed he was being persecuted then why did he need this legal team in the first place ?

    Matthew 10:19
    But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say

    Shows where Ron’s Faith Lies. And it is Not in God . But that scripture is not for him .

  • Acts says:

    But this one is

    Ezekiel 21
    Thus said the Lord GOD; Remove the diadem, and take off the crown: this shall not be the same: exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high.

  • “Without Conscience” by Dr. Robert Hare and “Snakes in Suits” by Dr. Robert Hare and Dr. Paul Babiak do indeed describe Weinland well.

    But it also describes most of the other scoundrel leaders of the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia: No conscience, no empathy; play games; take high risk (since they are understimulated) to see if they can avoid being caught.

    Yes, there is insufficient connection between the two hemispheres of the brain across the corpus callosum, yes the brain waves are not human; but there is psychological damage (usually during teen years, some before) and a personal choice.

    That’s what it’s all about: Personal choice — because psychopaths like Weinland are perfectly comfortable with who they are and simply never choose to change.

    It’s all on them — we don’t give them excuses, nor do we think they are sincere: They are predators who have absolutely no feeling for their prey.

    And religious psychopaths: It’s religion without spirituality.

  • Acts says:

    “No conscience, no empathy; play games; take high risk (since they are understimulated) to see if they can avoid being caught.”


    At this point for Ronald , it’s all about who will stay in his group no matter what He says and does .

    PKG is a mix of old timers who have known R&L from the past , Young people who were snared by Ron’s Book , who are not seeking God but following a man and a lot of people beat up by life and are fooled by his constant barrage Of Lying Signs and Wonders .

    After Harold Campings date I’m pretty sure he apologized to all his listeners and proclaimed he was in error and it was not right for him to give a date . He died 939 days later .

    So far Ron has remained stiff necked for 846 days ! I WONDER how much time is left for him?

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Wow Acts! I haven’t checked the site this week until today. You made some very astute remarks and statements this week. Everyone reading take note of what Acts and Mike said on September 20th. These types of observations are exactly what is needed to be said in order to provide the evidence to show how Ron (and Laura) deceive other people. They do not practice what they preach.

  • Acts says:

    True Story : With all this Mafia Talk , I cannot help but Laugh sometimes . During those powerful years of witness Ron started to wear these Crazy hats , I saw him many times with these hats on 🙂 he would wear a Summer hat ( Ronnie Bahama ) and in the winter time he would Wear a Fedora ( Don Ron) Anyway I had dinner with Ronald and co at a restaurant one night and at the end of the dinner he stood up from his chair and covered his big ol dome with that Fedora hat , At that exact moment the music from the Godfather came on in the background ! I almost fell out of my chair 😀

    Now it all makes sense ! True Story! 😀

  • Acts says:

    Happy Sabbath:D

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Acts: LMAO. Don Ron DeWeinland. He’s gonna make us an offa we can’t refuse. Still trying to charm the people with his words and various hats. Wish I’d been there to see that. I bet just the image in your head at that moment the music started. Reminds me of T.S Eliot and J. Alfred Prufrock. Oh the hats we wear when we practice to deceive. Glad we are all out of that vortex of deceit. Wish others were too.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Happy Sabbath 2u2 :))

  • Byker Bob says:

    Outsiders, people who have never been part of the Armstrong movement, can only imagine the depths to which the prophecy element has affected peoples’ minds and lives.

    One of the saddest situations I’ve encountered happened on an old forum from around 2,002. There was a presence on that board of splinter members from a group that had added “sacred names” teaching to Armstrongism. Some of the commenters from that subset were “newbies”, never having been part of WCG or other splinters.

    There were a lot of things going on in that era. The Patriot Act and the Halliburton containment camps were big news items at that time. One commenter posted pictures of such a camp, in his geographic area, and from there some uniquely Armstrongish speculation began. These pre-made camps would supposedly be taken over by “the Germans” in a few short years, and used not on the enemies of the USA, but on US citizens themselves! One person speculated that he would probably be “sitting out the tribulation” in one camp, and another speculated that maybe they would be in that same camp together. A lady weighed in to say that she would probably be in a different camp, but that at least it would still be close by. It was painful to be a party to such discussion. Apparently, this is all those posters had to look forward to. There wasn’t a heck of a lot the rest of us could contribute which would educate those folks from this mindset, or to counter the weekly dose which they received at Sabbath Services, but I often wonder if the 12 intervening years, and the additional accumulation of failed prophecy has been of any help to them. That possibility would presume an open mind, and constant testing or re-evaluation, another topic. However, one could always hope that even if truth and logic do fail, a bottoming out process might awaken them, over time.


  • The big problem: Dopamine!

    It’s biology.

    PKGers are addicted junkies.

    It’s anticipation!

    Only half the time do you get the reward. Except in the case of afterlife. Probably never. Maybe today will be the day! Uncertainty! It’s all in the anticipation of reward.

    Brilliant social engineering.

    But it isn’t real.

    Everything and everyone we like, dislike, do, avoid, believe, dismiss can be explained in terms of protecting or triggering dopamine flow. Nothing else matters.

    And it’s built in to avoid skepticism where we don’t want to think about the fact that what raises our dopamine flow could be totally wrong. Most people prefer to believe that human behavior is too complex to understand because the esteem elevating conceit triggers dopamine, whereas accepting the possibility that all behavior can be explained in terms of protecting and triggering dopamine flow threatens dopamine flow by threatening safety and esteem (and acceptance/approval for those with the temerity to suggest such an heretical concept).

    The most dangerous and destructive addicts use money, power, and esteem to trigger the same dopamine junkies trigger with heroin. The difference is that junkies get arrested while money/power/esteem addicts get away with flaunting their favorite dopamine triggers while pretending their addictions are normal, acceptable, and even admirable behaviors. The reason for this is that the money/power/esteem addicts control the institutions that determine the definition of addictions. (I’m not suggesting a conscious conspiracy. Addicts are driven by unconscious dopamine-induced cravings for control, power, money, approval, status. Honesty that threatens dopamine flow is the last thing addicts are interested in.)

    In other words, our species is suffering from “the perfect pandemic.” A brain disease that’s capable of keeping sufferers from wanting to know we’re suffering from a brain disease. Why? Because the facts are a huge threat to safety, peer approval, and esteem = huge threat to dopamine flow.

    So PKGers will endanger themselves, their families, their futures (the real ones), in order to get their next ‘fix’, whether it be another lie from Weinland or attending the Feast of Tabernacles.

    They are addicts, junkies.

    I’m sorry if the scientific truth is too hard for them.

    Too bad!

  • Called To Blessing says:

    DB: I know you are serious. But the “dopamine” hypothesis is just too funny. Could it simply be a neurotransmitter that is to fault? A very bad neurological and biological cocktail so to speak in these individuals. Interesting for scientific research and the field of neuroscience. We would have to come up with some kind of control and experiment to prove such theory. All being said I could easily fit the “dopamine hypothesis” into Ron. This seems to follow more along the lines of his mental neurotransmission and subsequent schema. And his symptoms and behavior are easily recognized, as many of us have pointed out, in a number of personality disorders…featured under abnormal psychololgy. I figure there must be some biological or psychological explanation for Ron and Laura. It’s not always the case for the members though…even though for some it is the “high” and “rush” from within their own mind. The chemical make up of the mind is a very interesting hypothesis and shouldn’t be discounted. Perhaps not for all the members but for some.
    Thanks DB…on a personal level I thouroughly enjoy this “dopamine” hypothesis. There are even other neurotransmitters that could lend further explanation.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Sometime in the mid-1980s, there was an especially poignant article in that wonderful scientific journal, Easyriders. If I recall correctly, the article was titled something like, “How to Party Hearty and Last Forever”. Unbelievably, an outlaw biker magazine that I devoured ravenously every month (at that point, it had become my new “Plain Truth” for a while), presented an article on exercise and nutrition. This was my first exposure to an amino acid called “L-Glutamine”, which enhances the dopamine process in the brain, protects brain cells, enhances short term memory, and assists in repairing muscle tissue following a workout. Since sometime in 1983, I would conservatively estimate that I have purchased and consumed somewhere between $5-7,000 worth of this L-Glutamine. It has been very beneficial both to my physical health, and to my intellect. In fact, just prior to reading this, I had taken my daily dose of it, along with another amino acid called “L-Phenalalanine”, which enhances not only the dopamine process, but also norepinephrine, and serotonin.

    I had written a somewhat sophomoric article on this topic for the Painful Truth website back around 2003, back when I was churning out at least one article per week under the name “Bob E.”. When 3 other “Bob E.s” suddenly appeared, I incorporated one of my hobbies into my forum and blog name, to differentiate and avoid confusion. The whole L-Glutamine, Dopamine topic is very pertinent to recovery from Armstrongism, and I personally believe that we need to be reminded of this from time to time. Obviously, I don’t recommend Easyriders as reading material for Christians, (in fact, I threw a 15 year collection of them into the trash about 5 years ago) however the one singular nugget, the one salvageable thing that I was able to distill from those 15 years was the dopamine-glutamine connection. The article also recommended Vitamin C, in the more assimilable crystaline or powder form.

    No preaching here, folks, but check it out. A little trip to the vitamin store might even things out, and get you over and around some hurdles and barriers!


  • Byker Bob says:

    The article is at, or go to the PT website and type “dopamine” into the top search engine. I had been deeply moved by the suicide of an ex-member, Rodney Lain, (whom I had actually never met) and had written the article in processing that event, not only for me, but for Ed, the originator of the website, who knew Rodney as a personal friend.


  • Ironically, it’s the “nice people” who can’t admit to benign addictions that make it possible for miscreants (driven by malignant addictions to money/power/status) to continue getting away with wholesale destruction.

    How could anything so obvious sound so ridiculous?

    19th century doctors (who probably scoffed at Galileo’s detractors) were incensed by the suggestion that they were killing women, while refusing to do something as simple as washing their hands to prove Ignaz Semmelweis wrong. Why? I believe they weren’t interested in facts, truth, finding out they were wrong, or even saving expectant mothers’ and their babies’ lives because the only thing they cared about was protecting the same dopamine flow that’s keeping today’s researchers from waking up and smelling how powerful dopamine really is.

    The problem is that dopamine is so powerful it’s capable of keeping today’s scientists from wanting to understand that they’re suffering from the same affliction that kept yesteryears’ experts from accepting heliocentrism and medical doctors from washing their hands.

    At this point I’m used to being dismissed, humored, lambasted, and scoffed at. Especially since what I’ve learned about dopamine explains why so few people are open to accepting what I consider obvious. In the same way that it doesn’t make sense to expect heroin addicts to ignore logical arguments to give up heroin, I don’t expect safety, power, acceptance, approval, and esteem addicts to embrace ideas that threaten their dopamine flow.

    This isn’t a problem with cult leaders.

    This is a problem with humanity.

    Go and read “Life Code” by Dr. Phil about the BAITERS and then come back.

    Or better yet, read “Hardwired Behavior: What Neuroscience Reveals about Morality” by Dr. Laurence Tancredi.

    People like Weinland (and other psychopaths) know intuitively that they can successfully con people because they are in denial and they are in denial because it feels a whole heck of a lot better than admitting that something is very wrong with you. Remember, it’s not the actual results that raises the dopamine levels, it’s the anticipation. And do please watch the video before making any sort of response.

    Now if we could just get through to the PKGers….

  • “Cautious, careful people, always casting about to preserve their reputation and social standing, never can bring about a reform. Those who are really in earnest must be willing to be anything or nothing in the world’s estimation, and publicly and privately, in season and out, avow their sympathy with despised and persecuted ideas and their advocates, and bear the consequences.”
    – Susan B. Anthony

    “To be a pariah is to be left alone to see things your own way, as truthfully as you can. Not because you’re brighter than anybody else is — or your own truth so valuable. But because, like a painter or a writer or an artist, all you have to contribute is the purification of your own vision, and add that to the sum total of other visions. To be regarded as nonrespectable, to be a pariah, to be an outsider, this is really the way to do it. To sit in your tub and not want anything. As soon as you want something, they’ve got you!”
    -I.F. Stone

  • Byker Bob says:

    This dopamine thing is real, and I’ll be glad to become a dopamine pariah, along with Douglas, if that is what it tales to get the message across. Dopamine deficiency is lumped in with “brain chemistry”, and balance or equillibrium of this chemistry is subject to both hereditary or environmental factors. Why is it that people can accept that a plant grows atypically in the presence of nutrient imbalance or deficiency, but would doubt or deny that this could also take place in another living, growing organism called the human brain?

    I won’t go so far as to state that dopamine deficiency is the cause of Armstrongism, but Armstrongism for a certain percentage of individuals most certainly became the primary path for a dopamine “fix”. Once invalidated or debunked, the Armstrong “fix” no longer worked, or was no longer present. Unless or until replaced by more wholesome dopamine producing activities, depression often ensued.

    Simply stated, the best antidote is to rediscover a balanced lifestyle, conducive to mental health, based on sustainable dopamine production through positive activities.


  • Byker Bob says:

    I don’t know whether Orwell understood dopamine, or endorphins. Inferring that almost becomes a planet Neptune thing, where the scientists of the day could not yet see that planet, but knew that it had to exist based on observable gravitational pulls, and other phenomena, as these affected surrounding masses. Then, better technology allowed for its discovery, right in the area where it was long suspected of being.

    In Orwell’s “1984”, Winston Smith suffers a number of illnesses and maladies which diminish as he falls in love with Julia. Love, and lovemaking are known to produce dopamine. Upon entrapment and discovery, the thought police quickly disrupt this, and return or worsen the Kafkaesque existence which had previously been their norm. I don’t want to be a plot spoiler, but I will suggest 1984 as nearly mandatory reading for anyone recovering from Armstrongism.

  • Randy says:

    Hey Asshole did you save your tightes for the feast this year , oh that’s right you can’t go because your in Fedral prison or stealing tightes from the good people who pay them !

  • Byker Bob says:

    Since Randy brought up the tithes, it gives us an opportunity to demonstrate how Weinland and other splinter leaders mess with and thwart dopomine and endorphins. Let’s pick a secular example. Supposing, after watching one of the Wendy Mallick public service spots for the Humane Society, you decide to make a substantial contribution, to save some of the animals. This releases some endorphins, and you feel somewhat euphoric. But, before your check clears, what if you read that the chief executive (this has never even been suggested to my knowledge) had been caught purchasing a luxury home or automobile with some of the HSUS funds that had been earmarked for the animals? It’d pretty much reverse the effects of the endorphins. Same way with giving your largest yet offering, and being told that you were going to the Lake of Fire for not also emptying your savings account, and throwing in your 401K. You cannot experience victorious living as a result of being part of these organizations!

    There is no way to have a good healthy flow of endorphins, and to be a member of most of (if not all of) the ACOGs. They find ways to thwart any sense of satisfaction or well-being, keeping you insecure, so that they can control you. Better off being independent, or totally leaving, and leaving the consequences to God.


  • Called To Blessing says:

    I think for most pkgers, realizing their Gregor Samsa-like existence would be too much for them. It would be too much for anyone. I haven’t yet had the pleasure to read 1984. Only Amimal Farm…. which said plenty about the nature of men. I think guys like Ron are standing on record.

    As far as the goings on of the dopaminergic system, do people really debunk the dopamine hypothesis for brain chemistry?? So much has been discovered, especially in relation to dopamine and Schizophrenia that it’s hard to believe that people would continue on in error and not see the strides in a Neuroscience. Ron used to make fun of psychology but some of it has it’s place and can be a good foundation for understanding the nature of men and the mind of man. There are certain types of individuals with distinct chemical make- ups (dispositions) that prove dopamine is a highly active component in brain and neurological functioning. And as BB said the dopamine hypothesis has both hereditary and environmental factors not to mention resultant psychological factors.

    Since we have, on this blog, already called attention to Ron’s personality disorders, it stands to reason that the real problem could be in the mind which is influenced not just by heriditary but also ones environment and personal brain chemical make-up. There are different personality types…which science has proven… so we can conclude that those “types” affect individuals differently resulting in some who produce more or less of certain neurotransmitters.

    There are definite individuals who would fall along the ‘adrenaline junkie” line… now more well known as dopamine. Glutamate is another neurotransmitter that is excitatory although it may not be as popular as the dopamine explanation. The fact is though that prolonged excitation is toxic to nerve cells.

    Considering Ron and his personality type, is it isn’t far-fetched to view one if his myriad of issues as being both biological and psychological. When he bungee-jumped over the years or when he jumped the Royal Gorge in Co. it was always important that it be the longest of the jumps or the biggest. Always taking the risk for the big rush. Subsequently he lived his life the same way. If he wants to risk his own life that’s up to him. But he risks others lives, whether it is a physical marriage, spiritual, or financial life is of little consequence to him as long as he is fulfilled. His personality therefore fits the dopamine hypothesis very well.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    I hope no one thought I was ridiculing DBs’ assessment. I’m a believer myself. My initial thought was that it could be summed it simply with Dopamine. It isn’t far-fetched to explain Ron and some, not all, of the followers as adrenaline junkies. I understand the deco-relation to them and religious types. Perhaps I would say the ones that continue to stay long after reason screams otherwise fall under the dopamine hypothesis.

    My reason for finding a bit of humor in it is because we have diagnosed and assessed so many Ron factors and yet in the end it’s like Ockham’s Razor…the simplest explanation as means of arriving at the conclusion. Dopamine.

  • Called To Blessing says:

    BB also consider Martin Seligman and Positive Psychology. Proponents of his therapy thrive while under the influence of positive endorphin producing methods of overcoming psychological issues. While they are actively involved in the therapy they are producing high levels of dopamine. It’s when life’s’ challenges begin to be negative and the mind follows suit that people must continue to muster the positivity back into life. That’s life for all of us. We just seem to handle it differently and that goes based on personality type. In pkg their reality has been one way and they wouldn’t know what else to do at this point.

  • Byker Bob says:

    In a sense, CTB, it becomes not unlike watching calories or food types if one is watching one’s weight, or knowing what foods or beverages elevate blood sugar in monitoring diabetes. Equillibrium. Staying on keel.

    Up until about 6 or 7 years ago, I had always been an adrenaline junkie myself, and assumed it was simply a reaction to the falsity of Armstrongism, ie getting out there and experiencing all of the wholesome things we had been deprived from. Hotrods, guns, motorcycles, bungee jumping and parasailing, rock and country western concerts, weekends at the river, extreme dancing, skiing, martial arts, you name it, I probably did it all. The thing is, I finally arrived at an Ecclesiastes point of view, and began to see things differently. The funny thing is, I think I’ve changed, but just last week one of the officers from one of the big outlaw motorcycle clubs invited me to come to their clubhouse to party with them. I mean, I won’t, but really, who are we, and what are we? What do other people see in us that we don’t see in ourselves? Ron may be blinded to who and what he really is, although there is still direct responsibility any time we hurt others. This site, his incarceration, the whole empanada might be a complete mystery to him.


  • Byker Bob and I have the same basic information, but we differ in the intent: Byker Bob is attempting to help by showing different ways increasing / balancing dopamine to help people personally.

    My approach here is to help people by showing them the base motivations of those who are promoting / living a dysfunctional cult life. While I understand the leaders’ motivations in terms of narcissism, sociopaths, psychopaths as ego trips giving them personal power over others, thus increasing their dopamine levels using narcissistic sources (and abusing people), the rank and file were a mystery: Why do they stay? What are they getting out of it? Aren’t they seeking the truth?

    The dopamine supplies answers to the motivations, both in terms of addiction as junkies, and the refusal to even consider looking at what is wrong, seeking correction and changing.

    The addiction model explains their seemingly inexplicable refusal to leave the abusive dysfunctional environment: The anticipation that SOME DAY they will have reward increases the dopamine levels and people like Weinland manipulate their addiction by periodically providing anticipation by reminding them of what they believe to raise the dopamine levels… until next time when the levels have dropped.

    And to do this deliberately (not necessarily explicitly knowing the precise mechanisms for manipulation) instead of being centered in integrity is manifestly evil — an active choice to keep their own dopamine levels high (and subverting the feedback systems so they have to keep escalating to keep their levels up).

  • Byker Bob says:

    Exactly right, Douglas. The guilty parties (cultmeisters) are getting their dopamine/endorphin rush. I mean, just look at the strutting peacocks! They are doing it at the expense of the membership, many of whom must contend with a dopamine deficit. I don’t follow gurus, but I would at least understand a guru whose stated goal was dopamine balance not only for himself, but for all who joined in. This ACOG deal of “I get mine now, but all of you have to be patient and wait for yours in the Kingdom” is just not fair. It certainly could not be construed as “servant” leadership.


  • bilbo says:

    Interesting discussion. I thought I saw some parallels between Armstrong type religion and gambling addiction. The similarities are there. Chasing an unlikely reward, house always wins, environment designed to keep you there, inability to clearly reason regarding sunk costs, lost investment, other addiction harms, embarassment to face others, self-delusion … to the point where some casino players are unable to even make it to the bathroom, because they just *cannot* risk someone else getting the payout of all those quarters they put in.

    Please don’t think I’m saying that someone is crazy for putting their trust in God. But the version of salvation * as spun by cult preachers* is as unlikely a reward as a ponzi scheme payout. It’s designed to never happen.

  • bilbo says:

    … although it makes a lot of sense. It’s the way the business works. Casino psychology …

    From the perspective of the Casino (the House): The customer is paying for the experience. For the time spent there. For the blinky lights and free drinks and dancing ladies and of course, the games. The payout of a major prize is incidental. It might happen, but that’s the lure to part customers from their money. The CEO sleeps at night because the “entertainment” was the product a customer got in exchange for being parted from their money.

    From the perspective of the Church CEO (the House): The customer is paying for the experience. For the time spent there. For the fellowship, life advice, feeling of salvation and obedience to whatever is true in the cosmos and of course, the tithes. The actual Second Coming of Christ is incidental. It might happen, but that’s the lure to part customers from their money. The CEO sleeps at night because “God’s way of life” was the product the customer got in exchange for being parted from their money.

    From the perspective of the casino attendee: The customer is paying for the incidental. Wants that big prize. Wants the poker hand, or the slot machine to start flashing. The entertainment is filler, and is used as a consolation prize (well at least I had a good time). Potentially gets addicted and chases it to the exclusion of a normal life.

    From the perspective of the church attendee: The customer is paying for the incidental. Wants that big prize. Wants Jesus to return. Wants the earth to part and the sky to light up. The lifestyle is filler, and is used as a consolation prize (well at least I’m living God’s way of life). Potentially gets addicted and chases it to the exclusion of a normal life.

    See how similar that is?

    But again … I’m not knocking spirituality or living God’s way of life!! It is important to make time for good times, just as it is important to live what you believe!! What I’m saying is those legitimate human needs are co-opted by an enterprising businessman who can sell it back to you!! And it’s successful because people are predictable and programmable!! That’s why the Bible places that much higher responsibility on those who would be leaders and teachers, such great potential for harm if misused!!

  • bilbo says:

    … so with Armstrongism we have a franchise model of business. Enterprising individuals can spin off a franchise, be assigned a stock ticker (PKG, PGI, CGI, whatever), and peddle their branding of what is the same item made in the same factory in China, just with different decals. You’re free to run your business as you please. Your storytelling ability, location, choice of demographic – these are important to consider to gain members. Different businessmen have different styles. Some accumulate large real estate valuations via campuses and go on television. Other prefer lower overhead with work-from-home and telecommuting ability and stick to pdf ebooks. Some ministers clear 7 figures. Dealing souls is a very lucrative business model.

    Truly they have turned the simple and wholesome message of our Creator and our Savior into warez to be peddled, most literally.

  • bilbo says:

    There isn’t anything wrong with a pastor taking a salary to run his church, and doing things wholesome and upright. Pastor needs to eat, have a house, and raise a family too.

    The degree of lies, predation, manipulation, in order to clear 7 figures is what makes all of what I said above true about the Weinland family.

    That’s the difference.

    King David was able to take criticism from his subjects. He actually reflected on that. Instead of lopping off their head, he reflected “oh, if someone is protesting, maybe I do have a mistake or grievance to address.”

    That’s the difference.

    Zaccheus the tax collector in Luke 19:8, when called out for cheating, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

    That’s the difference. That’s why I’m here commenting. Not to attack God (if that’s what anyone reading this is thinking, don’t be so naive).

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Good observations “bilbo” and others.

    It is sad but very true. Religion is a business practice to make certain ones rich. However, true religion begins with the individual and a relationship with God only. After a number of us have been taken advantage of and humiliated and misled have learned this lesson. There is a wide wide difference between trusting a “man” and to trust God unconditionally!! Now “things” have to “be” proven by God alone and no one else!! This is now my life and I am experiencing things that I have never experienced before in my spiritual life!!

    BTW I have given a new title to the black widow, “laura the Yenta” Look up “yenta” and I think you will fully agree!

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:


    I know you understand this: “to offend a little one in Christ to cause them to turn against God is a very very dangerous thing to do”!

    You know, as well as I, that ron and laura have done this very thing and will pay that ultimate penalty.

  • Acts says:

    It shows where the man’s faith truly is and unfortunately it is in Money . If he repented and made things right it would be a truly excruciating task for the Weinland Family. They have gone so far now , marriages destroyed , family relationships destroyed , peoples money stolen for so many years now. If they repented and made things Right with EVERYONE , they know that their lives as Teachers would be over . They would not have people Writing checks to them any more , this would mean instant poverty and instant Shame . Ron like his father is an author of confusion . Everything that comes from them is Vanity . People in PKg have been deceived . It is a false hope in a false prophet , all those Timelines and New Truths are nothing But lying signs and wonders . People are addicted to those things . I was a junkie with that stuff for too many years . I thank God everyday that I am not with those people any longer . Too many lies ,not enough sackcloth . Ron went to Jail for not paying his Taxes and he is still lifted up till this day! Why can’t people in PKG understand this yet ? It is because they are hooked on his Lying signs . Ron has written his own death sentence by declaring 2019 the return of Christ , he will not live that long .

  • Bilbo, you have caught the vision! Your description is exactly on the mark — very well done indeed: Gambling addiction.

    Once upon a time there was a short video about the prophecy gambling addiction — the tribulation was coming and you knew you were going to win big! Just put down your money and pull the lever.

    I am also reminded of Garner Ted Armstrong: Alcoholic Boozer, Adulterer, Gambler — what’s not to love.

    More to the point, he was all that and #2 in ‘The Work’ as well over a corrupt dysfunctional Church Corporate Cult.

    No matter where you look in the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia and how far out you see, there is incredible corruption devoid of morals, ethics and often illegal.

    And Conald Swineland is just one blip on the RADAR. Or is that Rader? I get confused.

    To fill the void, here’s an article on narcissism, if you have forgotten what it was like to be a toady suck-up narcissistic source in the PKG.

  • Of course, the article on narcissism was wrong: If you are in the PKG, you are not an unpaid prostitute — you are a paying prostitute!

    Sometimes I wonder if Weinland is actually worse than his father, Satan the Devil, but come to myself because I know better: Weinland is a little less evil that Satan, not that it’s any consolation.

  • Acts says:

    You hear in those clips of old sermons how absolutely presumptuous Ron has been for the better part of a decade now. Time and time again being proved Wrong but not a shred of humility . Then you have him not once not twice but multiple radio interviews and sermons where he in his arrogant way , with his cocky Attitude says , if these things don’t happen in this time then I was nothing but a false prophet there is NO other answer ! He even went on to say well, look at the world when someone gives a prophecy and it does not happen then they make excuses and backtrack and also say this or that was not revealed yet and that is not Good . He said he would not do that , but that is EXACTLY what he has done and continues to do . That is called HYPOCRISY !The Book he wrote was a rumor of war , Another thing Christ said to watch out for. He has Blasphemed God by saying he is of God and he is an Apostle and a Prophet , he is nothing but a pawn of Satan . He goes against The word of God and he goes against his own Word , he can keep nothing Straight .

    8They do not know the way of peace, And there is no justice in their tracks; They have made their paths crooked, Whoever treads on them does not know peace

    He has caused so much Confusion in people , in the name of God , he is a proud Blaphemer ! He makes God look confused like he tolerates lies and constant change and my word yesterday means nothing but today listen to me . It is all Folly

  • Acts says:

    Hebrews 13:8
    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 9Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings

  • Acts says:

    Ronald Weinlands Last Radio Interveiw Jan 11 2012

    Notice what he says At about the 36:50

  • Acts says:

    36th min , what will happen May 27th?

    False Prophecy .

  • Acts says:

    Ron Weinland Proclaimed his False prophecy to not just PKG , but to the World ! It is In Print from his False book which has been translated in multiple languages and it is in his own Words from Interviews . He went to IdeaCity in Toronto Canada where he spoke to an audience of People from all different walks of life from around the globe , And on stage proclaimed a False prophecy about may 27 2012.

    Game Over.

  • Acts says:

    James 5:

    12But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

  • Acts says:

    To the Weinlands , The two Prophets and the two senior elders

    Matthew 10

          37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39“He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

  • Randy says:

    I see the money whore called here today !!!

  • Randy says:

    Did I ever say I can’t stand this money stealing bitch the only reason they didn’t apeal Ron’s charges because they would of charge the bitch to ! But she knows how to lie just like her old man in prison ! PKG get your head out of the sand and go get your self a $500 mesage !

  • Or better yet, obey God and execute II Timothy 3:5 — “from such turn away”.

    And take your money with you.

  • charlie says:

    ah for the good old days …back when the earth was flat ..much simpler then when the church told you what your official thinking would be …seems history repeats itself..only today its many rons out there ….Jesus called them all ….FALSE…in fact Jesus was not religious ..indeed he condemned the religion ….

  • Randy says:

    There’s going to a lot of ears burning this weekend my mom is going down to spend the weekend with the gossip queen !!!!!! No body is safe

  • Called To Blessing says:

    Charlie: 🙂 Acts: very good points. I enjoyed reading everyone’s contribution this week. Very interesting topics which begin to pin-point the mentality as to why members stay and why some have left. And as Acts says, it’s all true. 😉

    In reference to Charlie’s last statement: Yes, it is easier for them (R&L and the members), especially this far into the deception, to keep their heads in the sand. It’s true for the members as well as Ron and Laura.
    As Acts pointed out, it would be an “excruciating” task to repent or apologize for Ron and Laura. Plus the members would have to see their part in and actually take action on a personal and spiritual level. Too many would suffer loss…apart from financial loss, which at this point is small compared to admitting anything else.

    A friend of mine gave the analogy of someone knitting a garment and dropping a stitch that one then has to go back and undo all the previous work in order to right the garment. If you fail to do so the garment is faulty, meaning at any point it could unravel and fall apart.

    Money, in the form of tithes, allows people to feel justified like they are doing what they should for The Lord and the continuing gospel. Money spent, in the past and the future, will be for saving others and family during the tribulation (physical manifestation since spiritual manifestations have already passed), and to continue to preach the gospel.

    The social group remains intact and no one need suffer any loss there either. The thought pattern of some being there is no where else to go anyway so we might as well stay here. Not a valid argument for staying anywhere IMO. A learned helplessness so to speak but one that serves some of the members more than others in the form of Elderships and being raised, or lowered in some cases, along the rank and file system. Friends and bands of cronies that feed of each off each other. Dopamine hypothesis fits here.
    Ron set this precedent himself when he chose to raise himself in various positions from prophet to apostle (with greater power than the disciples, prophets and apostles from the Bible) to a type of Elijah to come, John’s counterpart, the Witness (self-declared spokesperson of the two). All these titles he bestowed on himself through his process of elimination from the time New York towers fell, escalating world events, and his own group splintering over the years. These events and his own mind led him to continue to elevate himself. The pkger’s follow this mindset. A bunch of false starts because he is claiming to be something he shouldn’t.
    Now I believe that world events will escalate before The Lord comes but one can read too much into world events. The fact is that we live in a mass media society and as such have multiple venues and sources at our finger tips informing us minute-by-minute of world events and calamities. Ron failed to wait for God to inform God’s church (those people being of Gods own choosing not Ron) and instead read into these events so that he could be the sole interceptor and interpreter for God to the end-time church. The line then formed right behind him and Laura. Such is the pride and hubris of the man yet he fails to see the error of his own way.
    Why would the members who are left see him any different than the way he sees himself? Everything is justified. They are all the same kind of people which again fits into what DB and BB said earlier.

    I have hope and anticipation for Christ’s return but cannot follow a man who uses that hope and anticipation for personal gain whether that gain comes in the from of received money or received spiritual accolades at being the Witness and man closest to God on Earth.

    I can easily fit the personality types and give great credence for the individual chemical brain make-up hypothesis. Too much has been proven along theses lines to discount one’s neurotransmission affecting one through biological, environmental and psychological ways. As a believer of both scientific inquiry and my own faith-based belief I can see biological, environmental, psychological applications in human affairs. I don’t see how we can have one without the other… and actually believe it gives a clearer picture of human reality. As a student, I once leaned toward the more scientific application as the world adopts this type of knowledge more readily than a belief in God, or higher power, as the creator of human or animal kind. But when you believe, as I do, that God encompasses science as well as all that is intangible, I believe one has a greater view of our purpose in being here on this planet.

    On a last note I think the cogs, and pkgs and the like pulled in certain types of people. One type being the way DB and BB described above. The rank and file system gives the members that chance at being somewhere at the top in an organization. It feeds the dopamine and the individual rush, through being special and called out…above others. The anticipation of being closer to the prophet and thus to God and Jesus Christ, without regard to anyone else. They look big and better in the eyes of others. They can eschew their families for their greater purpose because they fail to apply Godly principles in a proper and balanced way. For some individuals, without realizing perhaps, the regard for others then is fake or played out in front of those whom it is important to do so. These things were happening long before the Elderships were given. The Elderships just cemented the belief that it was sanctioned by God to act this way. It’s extremist behavior. And this where the dopamine hypothesis fits best. BB spoke about equilibrium and an even keel and this what the members who are left fail to recognize. All behavior in the group is extreme in one form or another.

  • martin says:

    No doubt with the military action taken against ISIS targets in Syria, Ron the liar/false prophet will say “See…it’s happening like I told you”.

  • Called to Blessing says:

    Martin: It’s true. 🙂

  • charlie says:

    oh no martin!!..say it aint so…this only gives ron another opportunity to change his timeline yet again… just in case whatever his present one happens to be , doesnt work out….maybe thats what he is doing ( the arduous work and preparations going on behind bars ) reworking the math ..or maybe writing another fun filled and action packed book about how it is really going to happen this time

  • Ronco says:

    Happy New Year! 5775!

    It’s just not the same without Dick Clark…

  • Acts says:

    Food for thought, The COGs rely on a Man made calendar Created by Hillel ll . The calendar was created so the Jews no matter where they were in the world would know when the Holy days are . The Jew were kicked out of the land by the Romans. The Rabbis came up with this calendar . During the Time of Christ the New Moon was sighted from Jerusalem as the first Visible Cresent by many Witnesses . The New Moon was the Actual First Sighting Of THE NEW MOON, Not the conjunction when the moon is invisible . When the moon is invisible there is simply NO NEW MOON YET .

    Psalm 104:19
    He appointed the moon for seasons:( Mo’adim ,Appointed times ) The sun knows his going down.

    The Jews returned to the Land nearly 70 years ago, yet they still follow the Tradition of this Calendar. The Cogs Follow it with them .

    There is a difference between Astronomical New moon and the Biblical New Moon. Many old texts prove that the New moon was The Cresent and it needed to be spotted . You can’t spot the conjunction because there is nothing to see.

  • Bykere Bob says:

    These idiots speak from both sides of their mouth, Acts, depending on what fits their own teachings. Armstrongism might have relied on Hillel II for the calculations and dates of the Old Covenant Holy Days, but they completely threw out his chronology, which put creation at 3761 BC! The problem becomes that if you take Hillel II’s 3761 BC date for creation, and you plug it into HWA’s extrabiblical 6,000 year plan theory, you get an end time date of 2,239! So, if Hillel is accurate, and if the 6,000 year plan theory were true, that means that all of the people who teach Armstrongism who make the constant excuse that, “Mr. Armstrong was not a false prophet! His timing was just a little bit off, and these things will still happen sometime in your lifetime!” are now off by a whopping 225 years! It is pathetic to watch them constantly revise their dates so that everyone is held in a 3-5 year limbo. This setting or estimating of dates has been used as a diabolical manipulation of peoples’ lives and finances more than any other teaching, possibly with the exception of “government from the top-down”.


  • Happy New Ye….



  • charlie says:

    hmmm ..seems that tomorrow will happen after all..yay….rons dates are a tad off from the jewish calendar so at least one of them is not correct…and yes i am going to observe the HOLY days according to the BIBLE remember the bible dont you ron ?…..actually it means what GOD says ..not what you tried to interpret it as saying …wonder if pkg takes bitcoins?

  • Charlie, these days, they’d probably accept wooden nickels.

  • Excogger says:

    ….and check this out: the first month of the new year was determined (before the Babylonian captivity) by the growth stage of wild barley in the environs of Jerusalem. Today the Kaarite (sp?) Jews set their calendar this way. If, at the end of the current year, the barley ears had not formed, an extra month was added, making a 13 month year of the new year. Ronnie and his Armstrongist mates could be a whole month in error in any given year! Food for thought.

  • Well, you know, keeping the Sound of the Blowing of the Shofar increases dopamine levels.

  • martin says:

    The 7 Thunders AKA the multiple Failed Prophecies
    #1: The First Thunder is the beginning terror of war (some warfare but no WWIII) : failed prophecy

    #2) Destruction by earthquakes, some major ones here or there, but not of the scale pronounced by Ron : failed prophecy
    Ron “All Seven Thunders will increase in power and recognition
    over the next two years (from the date of the first printing of this
    book) and on into the final three and one-half years of great
    tribulation. The Seven Thunders will serve as a powerful witness
    that the words of this book are true, and that they are from the
    God of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ”

    Didn’t happen.

    #3) The Third Thunder is the growing destructiveness from weather. Didn’t happen. Ambiguous failed prophecy.

    #4) The Fourth Thunder is global economic upheaval. Didn’t happen. Failed prophecy.

    #5) The Fifth Thunder is death. Massive death in massive numbers. Failed prophecy.
    Death of ministers, death of famous people, death from pandemics…..none of it happened at all.

    #6) Revelation of Ron as one of the Two Witnesses to world. Didn’t happen, except for the news of his conviction for tax evasion nobody knows who this loon is.

    #7) Ron’s God (who came in second place to being revealed to the world) also being revealed to world.
    Ron’s Unitarianism is based on heresy, and very few people believe it. This prophecy failed.

  • martin says:

    More failed prophecies….

    initial dating for Return of Christ : failed. (I read that there was actually one before this as well)
    2012 Return of Christ date : failed.
    2013 Return of Christ date : failed.
    2014 Return of Christ date : failed.



  • martin says:

    Ron’s calculation for 2019 return of Christ has been proven to be mathematically flawed.

    It is off a day early and a day late at critical points in the calculation.

  • Excogger says:

    Martin: Yes indeed, or as much as a whole month (See previous comment).

    “No man knows the day or the hour.”

  • Ronco says:

    “It is off a day early and a day late at critical points in the calculation.”

    More like “A day early and a dollar short”.

  • juror bags says:

    Checking in to say Hello!

    Some good reading up above here. Randy, If I knew the Money Hooker wouldn’t call the cops on me I would go and personally introduce myself to your mother and tell her what scumbags the Weinlands are.

    Becker, I just about fell out of my chair in laughter!

    “Charlie, these days, they’d probably accept wooden nickels.” I could hardly type due to laughter! Good stuff! Pretty soon they might need to rub a couple of wooden nickels together and pray for a dollar. TICK-TOCK! Hey Laurdass, What it like being a worthless lying lard ass? OINK, OINK! Hugs and kisses, WENCH!

  • juror bags says:

    What is it like……

  • juror bags says:

    Many of you have made some very good and accurate observations and analogies. This whole Armstrongism, which I know little about other than the little learned here, has become quite clear. I like analogies. They sort of paint a picture and burn an image into one’s mind. Thanks! Ron and his PIG and kids are some very diabolical creatures. Like I have said many times, I have no doubt that they would take the last dollar out of a dead persons pocket. IT IS ALL ABOUT THEM GETTING THEIR FIX WHICH IS TITHE CASH. They want their damn money so cough it up or Ron-god#3 will send you to Hell. SCAM! Bullshit!

  • Acts says:

    BB, it is a massive Contradiction ! So many things are staring People right in the face , but all that Cog TrA di TION ! has gotten the better of people . Instead of seeking God , people are content and complacent , following Fools . Rich and increased with Goods as it says, all the groups are so special ! PKG is a Prime example of this attitude . They have it all ! Prophets , Apostles , Evangelists , Timelines , 57 Signs and Wonders , not to mention all the Prophetic Signs . Amazing Amazing Amazing! How iRONic they Follow a man made calendar ! Because that is all these groups do ! Follow Man. My Bible says God Appointed the Moon to show his people when his appointed times are , Not a man made Calendar .

    Genesis 1:
    14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years

    Matthew 15:9
    But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men

    Isaiah 29:
    13Why the Lord said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men

  • Probably more appropriate to the PKG (especially the opening song):

    And Weinland is responsible for it all.

  • Acts says:

    Ronald Weinland does not know when Pentecost is, let alone when the return of Christ is !

    Look to the western sky Tonight at sundown and you will SEE the New Cresent Moon, That is the Sign that it is Trumpets.

    Not Wednesday night when there was Darkness or last night when there was Darkness ! But Tonight You Will SEE IT.

  • Acts says:

    That’s right DB, it is Slavery and R&L are their Masters .

  • Acts says:

    Neither be you called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

  • Jim says:

    The following is the announcement.

    These are some miscellaneous announcements that are being made prior to the Feast that some will need to be aware of concerning being asked to give opening prayers at the Feast. This matter of giving an opening prayer also obviously applies to anyone doing so at any Sabbath service.

    There is more information contained in this email that applies directly to many in the ministry, however, it would be good to make this material available to all within the Church. So those of you to whom this is being sent are being asked to go ahead and email this to the rest of the ministry in the area you are located and/or the region you are over (just as you forward other ministerial information). This should also be made available to all the brethren for their learning and understanding as well. This entire announcement is to be made available in its complete form.

    Feast Prayers:

    Although this is primarily being sent out so that everyone being asked to give opening prayers at a Feast site have this information, these guidelines also need to be followed by anyone who gives an opening prayer on the Sabbath.

    The primary purpose of giving an opening prayer is to help establish the right atmosphere for the beginning of a service, where everyone is to focus keenly upon the message that God has blessed the Church to receive that day. Such a prayer helps to establish a needful transition from general fellowship with one another, to that of a quiet, respectful, and focused attention upon the message.

    There are always basic matters that are to be addressed at such a time that should help everyone to focus upon the fact that we have gathered together before God to receive what He and His Son have blessed us to be able to receive. So thanks should always be given to God at such a time and a request for help to receive what He is offering to give us.

    These opening prayers are a time that are to reflect the hope, desire, and gratitude that each individual in the congregation has toward the service that God is blessing them to partake in, as well as the fellowship being made available that day, so that each person can indeed say “Amen” – that they are in agreement and are themselves saying, “so be it.”

    One of the main reasons for sending this information concerning opening prayers, is that this is an opportunity to petition God for all who are gathered together before Him, and this should be received and given in a strong spirit of humility. This means that the individual giving the prayer will want to do so in a way that does not unduly draw attention to themselves because this most certainly is not about the individual giving the prayer. It is about God and the right spirit of humility and meekness each of us should want to express and live toward Him.

    However, there have been some who have been approached in the past concerning the wrong example that they have too often set when giving a prayer. Although sometimes, they seemingly don’t hear what is being said. Giving a prayer is absolutely NOT a time to draw attention to self. It is NOT a time to give a mini-sermonette. It is NOT a time to preach or teach. It is NOT a time to show how well we can present ourselves and/or show how spiritual we are.

    It would be good to understand, that because some have consistently done this, that they have held themselves back in potential greater service to God’s Church. Sometimes, such individuals are no longer even asked to give a prayer because of some of these tendencies.

    Elder’s Reports:

    Some in the Church may not be aware of a requirement upon the ministry to send in monthly reports to the Church. Such reports are to reflect any concerns about a troubling situation that may exist in an area, perhaps some difficult trial someone may be experiencing, or to address some question of concern someone may have. Such reports are mostly to consist of a personal response from the minister as to the affects of current posts, sermons, or other things may be impacting their personal life. These reports are needful to help those in the administration of the Church to have a good sense as to the ongoing welfare of the Church and the ministry worldwide.

    In the past, within the Worldwide Church of God, monthly reports were required of full-time ministers for basically the same purpose of keeping the headquarters of the Church informed and up-to-date concerning the Church and ministry. In my experience, it was always an unimaginable thing to hear about some in the ministry who did not follow that directive from headquarters. For me, it later magnified how these same men had a wrong spirit of service to the Church and did not stand fast for God and His ways within the Church. Such individuals reflected a variety of wrong thinking, practice, teaching, counseling, and service to God’s Church. That kind of spirit of neglect and/or rebellion reflects a spirit toward God that cannot be allowed to exist within the ministry.

    Since some have been negligent in sending reports, they have either been reduced in their service within the ministry or have simply been removed from the ministry. The ministry needs to be aware of this, as well as the Church. Government, and the administration of God’s way of life, is a most basic characteristic that each member of the Body of Christ is to embrace and heartily live toward God, and most assuredly this applies to a minister. We are also now requiring that if both a husband and a wife are in the ministry that each one needs to send in a separate monthly report.

    This is being written because some are still being negligent in sending in monthly reports and it needs to be understood that we are now WELL beyond any grace period that has been given too often to too many. It is for this basic reason that there will still be some who will be removed from the ministry if they do not follow through with this very simple request to respond as responsible servants to God’s Church. It needs to be taken seriously that we are in a most unique period of time in the measuring of the temple and God is moving the Church to be in the forefront of this process.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks Jim.

    This is now reposted as its own posting.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:


    Thank you for the update. I will be working on a post and will post very soon.

    Told Ya’ there is trouble in “ronnieworld”!!!!!!!