Laura and Her Band of Merry Women

The Trips page on False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s blog has been update with a schedule of trips this summer.  These are:

June 14   Detroit, MI – Laura Weinland & Audra Weinland Van Horne

June 28  Columbia, MO – Laura Weinland

July 19 Lubbock, TX- Laura Weinland, Lori Williams (senior elder)

July 26  Dallas, TX- Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell, Lori Williams (senior elder), Anne Wrozek (senior elder)

August 9 Minneapolis, MN – Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell

August 30 Spokane, WA – Laura Weinland, Johnny & Myrtle Harrell, Audra Weinland Van Horne (senior elder)

In addition, the Trips page has some travel for Wayne next weekend, which is yet another Pentecost during which Jesus Christ will be AWOL and then to the US in late November.  Other than that the only male name on the trip schedule is Johnny.  Laura is traveling with her twice-married daughter and her friend Lori.  Also on the schedule is Anne Wrozek, whose legal name is Angela.  Laura and her band of merry women.

With recent developments, Angela/Anne is freed up to travel more.  Found on the online calendar for her local courthouse.

Here is the docket from yesterday’s activities:

The Wrozeks have two adult sons and two adult daughters. I don’t know what are the specific issues that led to the termination of their long marriage, but I imagine that Rotten Ronnie’s false prophecies played no small role.

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  • If women are really from Venus, maybe Laura and Audra along with some of their coconspirators (cohorts) should return there for a really hot time.

  • juror bags says:

    Looks like Laura and Ron have successfully destroyed another marriage. Congrats scumbags! This stuff is clearly insanity. I would gather that Laura has had a lot of influence here since Anne seems to be her running around buddy.

    Terry was at the trial and shortly after he leaves or gets kicked out. I would venture to say he left and then the Weinscum went on the attack. The real loser here will be Anne Wrozek in the fact she has lost her hubby and now continues to be fleeced. Once the Weinlands take all of your money you will have no love from them. Good luck with that, Angela.

    Terry was likely the bread winner and being you have adult children you will not be getting a hefty payout each month. Once the Weinlands take you to the cleaners do you think they will be supporting you? The answer is a big hell no. Enjoy your travels while they last. The same ones you fund for the two PIGS.

    If I was Terry I would be going postal on that little bald bastard since he and his money grubbing whore are the main reason for the divorce. Ron, Laurdass, and bitch face Audra are ruthless cons. I hope a space junk falls from the sky and crushes their nasty asses.

  • Acts says:

    1 Timothy 2:9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

    1 Corinthians 14:34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, AS ALSO SAYS THE LAW 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

    37 IF ANY MAN THINK HIMSELF TO BE A PROPHET or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD 38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

  • juror bags says:

    Does anyone know if the Wrozek children are in the PKG? Have they left or are they all teaming up against Terry? On the bright side the Weinlands will not be getting Terry’s half of the house. The PKG has lost a pretty bright businessman and a big tither by ousting Terry. Ron and Lard Ass took a pay cut there. Keep on keeping on Laura. You will be your own demise.

    Now the Wrozek tithe check no longer goes CHA-CHING in your paycheck P.O. Box. It will be going cha-clink-clink like the sound of pennies thrown into a tin can.

    I guess Lard Ass does do some “church” counseling. She has successfully counseled Anne Wrozek right out of her long time marriage. Kudos, Gossip Queen PIG. Now you and your running buddy can be cougars together chasing the young guys around on your “church” vacations. Might I suggest you go after the blind ones. You won’t get much attention from the ones that can see your ugly (inside & out) fat ass.

    Hey Laura, Now that Ron is a prison bottom boy, have you been playing the field? Is Rafael the grass cutter looking good? What about Jorge the rake boy? It is understood that illegals do not have a problem courting fat ugly PIGS. Enjoy your new life. The one without much tithe cash. Your days are numbered.

  • Acts says:

    The COG are destroyed because they trust in their own ways! You are all like sodom in God’s eyes
    Ezekiel 22:
    23And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 24Son of man, say unto her, Thou art the land that is not cleansed, nor rained upon in the day of indignation. 25There is a conspiracy of her prophets in the midst thereof, like a roaring lion ravening the prey; they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made her many widows in the midst thereof. 26Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. 27Her princes in the midst thereof are like wolves ravening the prey, to shed blood, and to destroy souls, to get dishonest gain. 28And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord GOD, when the LORD hath not spoken. 29The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully. 30And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none. 31Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them; I have consumed them with the fire of my wrath: THEIR OWN WAY have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

  • martin says:


    Divorce, tax evasion, tax fraud, discord, abuse of tithes for personal expenses, jail time, spending excess on paintings, jewelry, cars, vacation cruises, exotic panties.

  • jack635 says:

    By the evidence of those court documents, I would say the Weinland’s are destroying more than the PKG bank balance. They destroy lives, families, and futures.

  • juror bags says:

    This destruction all in the name of the Weinland’s personal financial gain is exactly what infuriates me. They are nothing but lying, deceptive, con-artist, predators hiding behind some type of so called “church.” They are nothing more than a money extorting scam. Ron knows God doesn’t reveal a damn thing to him and he is not any type of a religious figure in any way, shape, or form.
    Ron is a LIAR and a THIEF!

    The Weinlands are nothing more than frauds making up and peddling lies to screw good people out of their money, lives, families, livelihood, and anything else they can steal or take. The Weinlands are selling made up bullshit for cash. These control freaks do this through manipulation and falsehoods.

    PKG followers seriously need to reflect and look at what is happening. That’s right. They are not allowed to research and think for themselves. They are only allowed to do as Ron and Laura the PKG CULT leaders tell them to do while pounding them down in a mentally abusive manner. RIDICULOUS.

    These followers are getting so screwed over with lies and greed they haven’t a clue. Why do the Weinlands not have a church building? That would cost money and take away from their bottom line.Why do they not do ANY charity work or donate any money for a good cause? Because they are greedy and selfish. They refuse to even help any of their tithers. They want ALL OF THE TITHE CASH. RON & LARDASS DO NOT FOLLOW NOR BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY SAY OR REPRESENT. This was shown over and over in court. PROVEN over and over.

    I believe in freedom of religion but have a serious problem with scumbags getting rich from it. All of them. I certainly have a big problem with the Weinlands and their particular motives and operations.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    “… It is a delusion to believe that ron and laura could be a part of God’s Work for being so unforgiving toward others and taking joy in cutting them down, destroying their marriages, and to assassinate their character …”

    It now makes sense to me why my wife was somber and teary a few days ago. It had everything to do with Terry and Angela’s divorce.

    Thank you Mike for the post on this matter. This news has hit me in a soft spot. I am at a loss for words over this. I just do not understand how an evil bitch like laura can get up in the morning and walk outside. I have not seen such callousness in my entire life! There is no doubt in my mind that laura is behind this divorce. She is a vindictive bitch and takes great pleasure in her revenge!!

    As I have stated before, it is laura who is the real evil behind pkg! Do not misunderstand ron is just as evil but not to the degree that laura is. Take a look at pkg, the number of men is decreasing and the followers of laura (women) are in full control. However, there is a price for this following and it is the sacrifice of their families and husbands.

    How many more lives and marriages are going to be destroyed by this BLACK WIDOW!!

  • bilbo says:

    Whaaaaaaaaat … so sad!! Those two suffered together and took care of each other through some tough times. Don’t know what happened but sorry to hear it.

  • martin says:

    Does anybody know the exact situation?

    Did Terry realize that Ronald Weinland was a false prophet and left?

    Or was he put out because he wanted more authority or money or whatever?

  • Randy says:

    I bet Ann don’t show up !!!!! The only ones left is the ones with a title . Keep it up Laura keep the money coming in ! This is so funny I can’t believe people still believe in these assholes nothing has happen in ten years they said would. And he is in Fedral prison I got to laugh !!!!! Open your eyes !!!!!

  • How many more lives and marriages are going to be destroyed by this BLACK WIDOW!!

    But I thought that black widows destroyed their own mate instead of indulging in destroying others’ mates (that would be a very bad evolutionary / natural selection strategy).

    So it looks like Laura is worse than any black widows we know about, but then we don’t really know all of earth’s species yet, although she does seem to be one that we have identified and cataloged.

    I wonder if she has a red hourglass on her abdomen? Probably covered up by Victoria’s Secret. Beware, the neurotoxin she spews is more deadly (to marriages) than that of other toxic species.

  • Randy says:

    How many life can these people reack , just to make money , Laura and Ron I can’t wait to see u rot in hell !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Randy says:

    And your children !!!!!!!

  • Acts says:

    Mark 10:9What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

    10And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 11And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

    Exodus 20
    14Thou shalt not commit adultery.

  • Randy says:

    I’m so sick my mother would have anything to do with people like this, I’m so sorry to the Terri and his family my dad would have been sick!!


  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Yes Douglas this is a new blood sucking insect of the black widow genus.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    I like the red hourglass analogy.

  • Acts says:

    Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!

    She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the Lord; she drew not near to her God.

     Her princes within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.

    Her prophets are light and TREACHEROUS PERSONS : her priests have polluted the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW

     The just Lord is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; BUT THE UNJUST KNOWS NO SHAME

  • Randy says:

    That’s all my mother ever talked about , how nice April Combs,Ralph Dowd, and Terri and his family are ! Now Laura will say they where all sick like Ron’s mom and everybody else I hate that bitch so much !!!!!

  • Randy says:

    If these asshole would have cause my parents to Devores, they would not be around to day !

  • Randy says:

    All these people getting Devores, what’s up , I’m sure God is proud!

  • jack635 says:

    I wonder if she has a red hourglass on her abdomen?

    Yes Douglas, its a “spiritual” tattoo.

  • juror bags says:

    Nah, It is not a red hour glass figure on Laura. It is green $$$$$ dollar signs tattooed all the way across her fat ass. What I have seen about the Weinlands is pure evil, greed, fraud, and deception.

    As I have stated before they would rip off a handicapped person if they could gain some money. No doubt in my mind. They would also beat the very last dollar out of a little old elderly lady. These f***ing Weinlands are some very ruthless scumbags with absolutely zero remorse. In fact they smirk and take a lot of pride in what they do. PIGS!

    Like I have also stated I would beat the living shit out of Ron if there were no consequences for doing so. Not happening, but it is fun to think about. They should be tortured just like everyone they have ruined. If I were the king I would beat Ron within inches of his life and then hang the rotten bastard. Laura and Audra could watch and await their turns. I would have to get some big rough and tumble she-man to dish theirs out. It’s good to be the king!

  • jack635 says:

    Bags, I’ve maintained Ron is a con artist that does not believe in God. Its nice to know that an actual juror from Ron’s trial is here on this blog commenting as to their obvious non belief so meticulously exposed in court. Ron is not a misguided Christian who has made some religious mistakes. He’s a con artist. If he had not formed PKG as a cash cow, he would be scanning the obituaries and visiting the relatives in their grief with the $79.95 bible dear aunt Bernice ordered three days before she dropped dead. Con artist!

  • juror bags says:

    You sir are 100% correct. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind and all the other jurors obviously agreed. We saw right through Ron and Laura for what they are. Con-artists.

  • juror bags says:

    I also agree that they do not believe in God. They sure do not practice what they preach. Not even remotely close to what they say and expect PKG followers to do. These facts were abundant and shown with proof over and over.

  • As I have stated before they would rip off a handicapped person if they could gain some money.

    Have you checked to see if their BMWs have a stolen handicapped parking permit hanging from their rear view mirror?

  • juror bags says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised about the handicapped parking permit Douglas. We all know they are lazy and so very special and entitled. They are that type of people. Not that they are physically handicapped but God’s chosen get to park up front. Laura should be parking in adjacent lots to walk some of that wide load off.

  • jack635 says:

    In some cultures a woman’s fat is a sign of beauty, butt laura lives in Kentucky.

  • A little over a week to Pentecost at which time Jesus will not return. Here’s hoping there will be a major exodus from PKG in light of the fact that they should realize that they aren’t going to get anything and fancy “spiritual” titles don’t cut it.

    That will give them a week to prepare for Father’s Day on the following Sunday.

    Do you suppose that Audra will make a special trip to see daddy? It shouldn’t be that far after the Sabbath in Detroit, Michigan. It’s only 5 hours and 49 minutes for 359.64 miles in a comfy BMW using I69 South — estimated fuel cost for the PKG ~ $60 (not counting possible overnight stop at a 5 star hotel with a 5 star restaurant) and certainly not counting ANY meals and drive through coffee for them along with snacks. Maybe the PKG will pay for a pretty new dress for Audra as well as the gift for daddy.

    Plan ahead! Father’s Day is coming up real soon, Audra!

  • “What a tangled web we weave, when at first we practice to deceive”

    Hint to Black Widow Laura: That’s not a financial safety net you’re weaving.

  • jack635 says:

    Amazing! When membership and tithes drop off, just write another book and start up the old infernal machine again. It just spits out money. Who cares about the old members. Better to just flush them all out and start fresh with new eager recruits, blissfully unaware of what they are about to get mired in.

  • Randy says:

    Must have been reading this site early , she has called here 2 times this morning ! You family ruining bitch !

  • “Laura Must have been reading this site early , she has called here 2 times this morning ! You family ruining bitch !”

    Randy, do you think it may have been something I said?

    Laura really needs new friends and leave your mother alone to appreciate her family.

  • Randy says:

    Thanks Douglas I hope it’s something I said !!!’

  • It must be really frustrating for Laura knowing that her gossip won’t do one thing to stop us from telling on her and her terrible husband. That “I will curse your blessings” in Malachi has turned into “I will bless those you curse”. Good thing too. We might be less happy and prosperous otherwise.

    It will be interesting to see what happens to the PKG after Pentecost. Will it be, No Return = No More Money? How small does the PKG have to become before it is totally unviable for a luxury fund?

    They can quietly steal away until no one is left and there’s no more money for the Weinlands.

  • juror bags says:

    Yea jack635,
    I am not fond of stick thin women myself but I will call Lardass exactly what she is. We all put on some extra pounds as we age. I never pick people apart because we all have flaws but these assinine egotistical losers are FAIR GAME.

    Laura and Audra’s is UGLY FAT. If she was skinny I would still bash her in a brutal way. I guarantee you that when I call her a fat ass it cuts her to the bone. That is exactly what I want to accomplish and some factual reading for their pleasure. There is nothing of beauty about this PIG unless someone likes a fat, money grubbing bitch. Audra is Lardass’s mini-me in training and there is nothing mini about her either. I bet she has had to size up on the panties as well. OINK!

    What cracks me up is the way they strutted and acted in court. In their twisted minds they think they are beautiful. Far from it. They are PIGS. Having an over inflated ego does not make them any better looking nor does it compensate for their big ugly asses. Laura is built like the Pilsbary Dough Boy. Looks like him too. Now Laurdo has another Halloween costume idea besides the roving billboard.

    These money whores look like linebackers with boobs. Well, maybe more like a lineman. The whore part is accurate also since they will do anything for money. Therefore, this is how I coined the fat, money grubbing, whore, PIG terminology.

    Ron with his shiny dome and beer gut is nothing to brag about either. The little bald freak looks like an alien. His ego tells him he is a GQ model. You can put a $1,700.00 suit on a piece of sh!t but you still have a piece of sh!t. This runs along with putting makeup on money grubbing whores. I think we get the picture.

    The Swinelands have no real friends and down deep they do not like themselves so they over compensate by blowing vast amounts of tithe cash to make themselves feel better. Money is their drug of choice and like a typical addict they will lie, cheat, steal, and kill for it. The kill part is an accurate figure of speech. They kill marriages. They kill families. They kill 401=K’s. They kill others financial well-being. They kill PKGers kids they never have. And at this point they probably have mostly suicidal folks left still pumping money into the P.O. Box. These that remain are trying to hold on for the biggest disappointment of their lives.

    Oh yea, It is also obvious that Laurdo and Audra KILL THE ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFETS. I’m sure places like The Golden Coral see profits decline when Laurdo and her mini-me come through the doors.

  • juror bags says:

    Also keep in mind that they were accustomed to blowing millions in tithe cash as they saw fit and burning the IRS for refunds. Ron’s FELONY CONVICTION has been a real game changer. Now they are not seeing the huge flood of money and their expenses have grown drastically while tithes shrink since they have and continue to lose tithers.

    They are already feeling the pain. They are not getting the $4.5 million tax free and unaccounted for any longer. I am also sure the defense team received their money up front. That and the large tax fines put them into a bad place.

    Ron and Laura could not use their home nor Audra’s for his bond. They had to pimp Joyce to put hers in hock because they did not have the equity. This is a fact. I verified this with the person at the Federal Court House that retained Ron’s bond.

    The Luxury Fund has more or less turn into a conduit which tithe cash turns into a hefty revenue for the IRS. I am sure the feds are watching closely and history repeats itself. Laurdo and Audrass will be next. They know they are JUST AS GUILTY as Judge Reeves eluded to during Ron’s sentencing hearing by not totally slamming him. Now the money grubbing ho’s are in the big tax bracket so almost half of what they bring in goes to Uncle Sam.

  • juror bags says:

    They also do not have any real legitimate “church” expenses to use as write offs during tax season. Ron better really hustle for his whores. It’s GO TIME, prison bitch! Giddy-up!

    TICK-TOOOOOOOCCCCKKKKK. You have a long way to go and your resources are dwindling quickly. A side note: Laurdo and Audrass will not be in a good mood when you spring the joint. They have been forced to get up off of their lazy fat asses and put their Hooker Whore Hustle on traveling to not so fun places to wrangle some tithe cash.

    You are welcome! Compliments of the jury.

  • I cannot understand how the Weinlands can pay the IRS. They blew through the millions on luxury for themselves. Lardo can’t command a million dollar salary. Rotten Ronnie has no basis to claim a salary in prison. How can the Weinlands extract money from the PKG for the IRS without incurring even more counts of felonies? I really don’t get it.

    And if I were a PKG member, I would have a high level of concern about the IRS taking tithe money to pay the penalties of my felonious cult leader — it’s just not the thing that most people could ignore and hide their heads in the sand for.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I believe that the Weinland’s are allowed to take all the tithe and offering money for themselves, so long as it’s properly accounted for and taxes are paid first.

    They are not going to regard Ron’s legal defense and fines as a church expense, so he’s going to have to pay taxes on that. Given how much they owe, they may be in the federal tax bracket of 39.6% on top of which the State of Kentucky takes 6%. Between his legal fees and fines probably cost his tithe payers around 1/2 a million $$$ plus the income taxes on that so knocking on the door of $1 million.

    Judge Reeves stated that he considered Laura an equal co-conspirator with Ron when he declined to enhance his sentence for leading a criminal conspiracy. I got the impression that he considers Audra a dupe or tool in the conspiracy but in any case not a leader in it.

  • Mike, based on that and the defections we’ve seen since the trial, it certainly looks like the Weinlands could be in serious financial trouble, particularly if those who have left were the heavy hitters for providing “tithes”. It’s still not clear to me how the Weinlands can legally justify a salary based on all the PKG contributions, but if they can get away with it, they can take the money, pay the IRS and State to live on what’s left over.

    It’s still not clear what lies in Laura’s future if Judge Reeves considers her an equal co-conspirator with Ron. Would we not expect legal action against Laura at some point?

    This mess is really confusing to sort out for those of us in the hinterlands.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t know why the federal prosecutor decided to not file charges against Laura. There is a 6-year statute of limitations after the date a return is due (or actually filed if later than that) for obtaining an indictment, so Laura could not now be prosecuted for some of the earlier tax years even if they decided to go ahead. Assuming that 2007 tax return was filed no later than April 15, 2008, an indictment for that would have to come down within the next few months (the statute-of-limitations clock stops ticking whenever the indictee is out of the country).

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    It would really be great if the IRS decided to prosecute laura at the last moment. Maybe it will happen – who knows – That evil witch does need to spend some time with the “girls” in the big house. I wonder if her make believe super powers would protect her?

    Terry has now experienced the true “fruits” of rambling ron’s series on “true fellowship”. Great stuff ronnie, now you have more blood on your hands! Another family and marriage destroyed by you and your evil wife! You are the one who taught this and now you can see its results! You destroyed a “once” close friend’s entire life and marriage. It is now obvious because now we can see “your fruits” and the destructiveness of it!

    You are a no good two faced back stabbing bastard for what you have done to that marriage!! You and that backbiting malicious evil wife of your will be held accountable for the all the deceit and harm that you have done to others!! Yet, in your reprobate mind of you still think that you are above mankind and on a level with God is laughable!!

    Your evil wife is responsible for Terry and Ann divorce!! Prove it otherwise!! I really hope that there is a negative reaction to this divorce that will end the both of you and pkg!! When the money dries up then the both of you and your false church will disappear forever!!

  • Randy says:

    Well said Elder !!!!!!!

  • martin says:

    It is a matter of time.

    Laura can’t but help shoot herself in the foot.

    She thinks all this traveling will keep the PKG church together, in the long run, her destructive influence on marriages will dry up the tithe well, not to mention the cost of all that traveling and eating at fancy restaurants.

  • martin says:

    What I don’t get is why don’t PKGers ask themselves some basic (and obvious) questions.

    Ronald Weinland claims to be one of the two witnesses.

    The two witnesses are giving power to breath fire, no one can stop them from finishing their work.

    Ron is in jail.

    If Ron is one of the two witnesses, why doesn’t he just LEAVE?

    If Laura is one of the two witnesses why doesn’t she breath fire?

    The “it’s spiritual” excuse holds no water. Ron has simple postponed the “physical” fulfillment into the indeterminate future (it will never happen of course).

    On what basis should we expect this convoluted confused mess of prophetic fulfillments when the “prophet” himself doesn’t know anything?

  • Randy says:

    Give it up your husband is in Fedral prison, and nothing you guys said never happen in the last ten years, all you did was make a living stealing money and ruining families !!!!! You will rott in hell bitch !!!!!!!!!

  • Randy says:

    I know I’m ruff on Ron and Laura but family is the best thing God gave us and they like to ruin it !!!

  • martin says:

    The “it will eventually happen” trap.

    I suspect that most PKGers realize the Great Tribulation never really happened despite Ron initially saying it did then saying it was spiritual.

    Now Ron has them in his grip of “it will happen physically” at some indeterminate time in the future.

    We should be guided by some of the biblical patterns regarding prophecy….

    The bible has 3 patterns
    1) Bible prophecy that is fulfilled immediately (with a few days of it)
    2) Bible prophecy is fulfilled later in that generation or in a few generations
    3) Endtime bible prophecy

    The first 2 are meant to give one confidence in the “big one” …number 3.

    The whole point of bringing this up is that Ron has FULFILLED NOTHING.

    So we can have NO CONFIDENCE in any future date setting by him.

    Ron has made some minor ambiguous prophecies, the 7 thunders, none of which happened despite him saying it did.
    He has not prophesied anything that came to pass immediately….nor within a few days…..nor within a few years…
    Therefore we should not have any confidence when he says he’ll do his job “physically” at any future time.

  • martin says:

    #1: The First Thunder is the beginning terror of war for the
    end-time. This is war that is prophetic for the end-time.

    #2: The Second Thunder is the increasing destruction
    generated by earthquakes.

    #3 The Third Thunderis the growing destructiveness
    from weather.

    #4 The Fourth Thunderis global economic upheaval.

    #5 The Fifth Thunderis death.
    (1) death of ALL ministers
    “However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God
    (with me, as God’s minister, teaching them) will die during the
    final three and one-half years of great tribulation. ”
    (2) The second phase of death will be upon notable people in
    the world.
    (3) The third phase of death will come from epidemics and
    pandemics in the world.

    #6 The Sixth Thunder is the growing revelation of God’s
    end-time witnesses.

    #7 The Seventh Thunderis the accelerated revelation of
    God to man.

    “ALL Seven Thunders are given as God’s proof that I am His
    end-time prophet.”

    Outside of the “normal” occurrences of warfare or disease or economic troubles, NONE OF THE ABOVE HAPPENED.

    Therefore by Ron’s own definition of himself, he is a false prophet.

  • martin says:

    Ron understood that proof was NECESSARY to show that he was a prophet (and of course this is actually true).

    And that this proof should come through fulfilled prophecies.


  • So sad says:

    My marriage just ended too! Thanks Ron and Laura with your bucket of lies!!! If you only cared about the reproctions of what you did and continue to do! If you are a real Christian you would be ashamed!

  • Matt says:

    I wonder how many ex-PKG are simply going to another one of these armstrong-derived splinter groups.

    To me it is rather amazing: the idea that someone can realize that they were fooled by a self-serving charlatan, and not learn anything about the way the desire to believe something can make you fool yourself, but simply deciding that they were just following the wrong magician, and that THIS one will definitely hocus-pocus them into a magical land in the clouds…

  • Randy says:

    So sad
    I wonder how many families they broke apart ? So sorry for you !

  • FedUp says:

    Since Ron and Laura take such delight in separating spouses, it would be great if the prosecutor waits until just before Ron is released before going after Laura. That way, they could spend a few more years apart as Laura serves her sentence. Imagine Ron flailing about, trying to run PKG without Laura’s constant manipulation.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    So Sad:

    I am sadden by the end of your marriage. So the “black widow” strikes again and destroyed another marriage to satisfy her blood lust!!

    One day that evil witch will cross the wrong person and will pay a heavy price for her evil deeds and lusts!!

  • Acts says:

    More Fruit !

    They just shrug this stuff off. In their sick delusional minds , they think this is the price of following God .

    Ron , you and your wife will die in your sins! You are under Gods Judgment right now. Both of you will die at a time you will not see coming.

    All this time you could have repented and done what was RIGHT, but to much PRIDE for that . You would rather continue to ruin people’s lives.
    You have made a mockery of the Truth! You think God is pleased with that? You Should should be shaking like a leaf at this point, but You have hardened your necks!
    Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

    Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

    When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

    Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOW MY WAYS

    So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

    You both have no idea about the Truth. You know nothing about Gods love or his mercy or his power!

    You come from a broken mold (a beast). You never really had the truth. All you are is a false teacher . I hope you understand the things I am telling you, this is the Truth.

    Your idea of what the church was ,and is now and what it will be ,is False. It really is too bad that you can’t see these things.

    40 years in the wilderness and all that generation was not allowed to go in to the promised land .

    Numbers 32:13
    And the LORD’S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.

    This same thing is happening now with you and all the other Groups . You will all die in the wilderness.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    OK Folks, I have a new thing going on.

    Do you remember the movie “IT” by Stephen King where you had “pennywise” the clown luring victims for the spider who lived in an underground cave.

    Well Ronnie is now “pennywise” the clown and laura is the venomous black spider who feeds on other people’s money and marriages. THIS IS A PERFECT MATCH!!!! Pennywise the clown (ron) lures victims for the black window to feed on!! How fitting is this!!

  • Acts says:

    7There is that maketh himself rich, yet hath nothing: there is that maketh himself poor, yet hath great riches.

    8The ransom of a man’s life are his riches: but the poor heareth not rebuke.

    9The light of the righteous rejoiceth: but the lamp of the wicked shall be put out.

  • Acts says:

    Put out!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Terry took great delight in mocking this blog…

    Interesting. Ron says we are wicked and cursed, AND YET anyone/everyone who has called this blog false or lies or whatever has gone to jail, lost their family, or had something unpleasant occur.

    If destruction and/or being cursed is the sign of falseness, then the PKG are clearly not in for good times. Their evil is starting to come back at them, slowly but surely.

    We, on the other hand seem to be doing alright. Many are free and happy, worshipping the actual Biblical God, and/or building better lives. One can only hope they join me and all the other secularists/atheists, but all in all as long as they are happy and free, I think it is a victory for all of us.

    Sorry, Ron. Your weekly stupid posts will never bury the truth.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    “… Isaiah 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. My people, those who lead you cause you to err, and destroy the way of your paths …”

    This verse isn’t good news for “pennywise the clown”(ron) and the “black widow”(laura).

    The Hebrew word for “children” is defined below:

    עָלַל `alal aw-lal’ to abuse, affect, defile, do, glean, mock,

    This is exactly what pkg is all about. The “children” represented by “so called elders” who have no experience in ecclesiastical training and are nothing more than pawns for the “black widow” and “pennywise the clown”. They are used by these two to “rule” over and control the lives of the members (victims) to suit their own purposes.

    “women rule over them” … well, there is no doubt who is running pkg! It is very evident that it is “laura and her band of marry women”! Can any deny this? Johnny and Wayne have “no say” in the affairs of pkg. I even doubt if “pennywise the clown”(ron) does anymore. This is the “black widow” show and no one else’s!!

    I look at pkg and all that I see now is “militant feminism” gone wild!!! In time, there will be no men in pkg. Except for the “emasculated” pennywise the clown (ron)!

  • Acts says:

    A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame.

    The righteous hate what is false,but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.

  • Randy says:

    Johnny and Wayne are Laura’s puppets !

  • Acts says:

    12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

    That goes for ALL the groups. God Looks at the leadership like Foolish women And children !

  • Acts says:

    They do not know Right from Wrong. They are unbalanced in Judgment . They do not know Right Judgment .

    1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.

    2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.

    3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of TRANSGRESSORS shall destroy them.

    4 Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

    5 The righteousness of the perfect shall direct his way: but the wicked shall fall BY HIS OWN WICKEDNESS

    6 The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but TRANSGRESSORS shall be taken in their own naughtiness.

    7 When a wicked man dieth, his expectation shall perish: and the hope of unjust men perisheth.

  • JD says:

    I wonder if pkg realizes that the reason Ann & Lori will go with Laura to Texas is that it will be a all paid trip by pkg to visit their kids which both live in Texas and Laura family. Must be nice that the members can pay for these trips.

  • JD says:

    Would be interesting to find out just how many marriages were destroyed since Ron has made the changes inspired by satan not God. Satan is the one talking to Ron.

  • Randy says:

    So right

    JD says:
    June 2, 2014 at 12:07
    I wonder if pkg realizes that the reason Ann & Lori will go with Laura to Texas is that it will be a all paid trip by pkg to visit their kids which both live in Texas and Laura family. Must be nice that the members can pay for these trips.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:


    I would also like to know how many marriages are suspended from the black widow’s ceiling.

  • martin says:

    All PKGers should ask themselves ONE QUESTION.

    What proof is there to support Ronald Weinland’s claim that he is one of the Two Witnesses? (other than he said so)

  • Randy says:

    No proof what so ever! If someone tells you something going to happen in the name of God and it doesn’t don’t be afraid to leave them they are a false prophet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • juror bags says:

    So sad,
    Sorry about your situation. Ron and Laura will destroy anyone and anything to get their money. Is your spouse still involved with PKG? They are unbelievably corrupt and have zero remorse about any of their wRONg doings. Myself and the other jurors were amazed about how they blatantly do whatever they want as if no rules or laws apply to them.

    Ron is now being educated on how these laws actually do apply to him. As for the followers who leave and go to another splinter all I can say is that some people will never give up in their relentless pursuit of stupidity. If they do not learn then it is their problem. Sad but what can you do other than try to let them see the facts an truth about these magician clowns?

    I do think that Laura is most definitely very guilty and calls a lot if not most of the shots.

    I can see where Judge Reeves views Audra as just another pawn to an extent. However, she is also just as guilty. Audrass is an adult and knows right from wrong. She participates in getting the money and also benefits from this stolen tithe cash. That is how she makes her living too. Now I will put a little spin on it. If Ron and Laura went and robbed a bank and Audra was going through the motions with mommy dearest and daddy she would be guilty and go to jail just like mom and dad.

    There really is no difference other than she was pulled in by her upbringing. Audra could have walked away at any time but has not because she gains financially. Audra knows full well how her bills are paid and where her shopping money comes from. She is also guilty and should be held accountable.

    In all reality I feel Audra should be doing the 42 month jail term and Ron and Laura should both be imprisoned for 6-10 years. If I presided over the case I would have put these prison terms on them, ordered them to pay a larger fine, and make restitution for anyone they have damaged. Another words I would have ensured that they went out of business.

    Now do not get me wrong. Judge Reeves was a very nice and good professional and I am sure his hands were tied to a great extent by law. I do feel Ron got off easy and Laura and Audra have skated.

  • martin says:

    Why does not Laura ask for a new trial? Why does she not pursue legal recourse?


    A person who KNOWS they are innocent would do so, but Laura can not because she knows they are both guilty.

  • juror bags says:

    And yes, It is amazing the amounts of tithe cash that the PKGers pay out to fixed Ron and Laura’s wrong actions. I find it totally bizarre that these sheeple hove no problem with paying the Weindlands a big salary to rip them off and steal from them. To put some icing on the cake they are now paying a huge amount for Ron to payoff his debt to society.

    I think the Million dollar figure Mike came up with on what Ron’s debacle is a very realistic and accurate number just for that.

    Now think of what the legal defense team cost. All three attorneys were also from out of town. There were three attorneys and a forensic accountant who did absolutely nothing. Well he did fall asleep one day and about fell out of his chair. That was hilarious!

    I estimated these attorneys and such were at least $200,000. Not sure but Ron would have to pay hotels, airfare, car rental, travel expenses, food, etc; I would love to know the actual costs incurred to the tithers there. I am sure it was very expensive. John Cline flew in from San Francisco. The other two were from Louisville, KY two hours away. I doubt they drove back and forth every day.

  • juror bags says:

    I will do a modest and simple cost analysis. Let’s say each person was billing a conservative $200 per hour. Based on an 8 hour day this is $1,600 per person. There were 4 so that is $6,400 per day.

    The trial was 8 bays so 8 x $6,400 = $51,200.00.

    Now keep in mind this is only trial time and no other expenses. Also keep in mind that this fifty one thousand does not include any time preparing for the trial which I am certain there was plenty of time there.

    I am fairly certain the $200,000 figure is way low now that I thought about this for a minute. Ron and Laura are costing the tithers dearly.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    I feel sorry for Terry, but guess the saying, “what goes around, comes around” fits. I think of all the things he turned his back too. Like Gary’s cheating on me, not paying any household bills, being arrested for being drunk and abusive to me, he hung up the phone. Divide the marriages up, then keep the weak one, give them a title, keep the pride up and you now have a good PKG member.

  • Randy says:

    Let’s see
    Gary and his wife
    Greg and his wife
    Audra and her husband
    So sad and her spouse
    Terri and Ann
    How many more please post
    Laura u bitch how many life can you ruin ‘
    If anybody know of more please post !!!!!!!!!!! Cult if I ever seen one !!!!!

  • juror bags says:

    The 39.6% and 6% state tax equals 45.6% and that was what I was getting at in regards to Ron and Laura’s financial status. I mentioned that half of all the money they do get now goes to the IRS and taxes.

    This is a serious pay cut for the Luxury Fund. This has to have a crippling effect on their finances. As mentioned they are basically forced to keep it clean with the taxes and personal income.

    Free money is not so free now. Is it PIGS? It is just a matter of time and they are doomed.

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the tithers all bail out here real soon leaving Ron and Laura no cash to pay these monstrous fines and expenses. They would be so screwed. The vice is cranking down tight.

    TICK-TOCK prick!

  • juror bags says:

    It’s crazy Randy. These are all pretty recent divorces too. I wish I could talk to your mom and help you out.

    The damage the Weinlands do is what pisses me off so much. You know it is one thing that they screw people out of money with false hopes and lies but it is an entirely another thing that they destroy peoples lives and families to get what they want. Money. They do not care who or what gets destroyed as long as that P.O. Box gets filled up.

    Think about it this way. Ron and Laura are not the robbers that break into your home and steal stuff while you are out of town. These PIGS are more predatory. Ron and Laura are the types of robbers who break in while you are asleep, rape your wife, beat your kids half way to death, ransack your home, and then steal from you. They do damage in the process of stealing.

    These scumbags do not just steal. They destroy whatever it takes to be able to steal. This has been shown and proven over and over.

  • Randy says:

    Laura said Terri had Brian damage form ski accident , and Ann was bit by a Miskito the family need to work it out and ! Laura keep you ass out bitch! You ruined an not here family !!!!!

  • juror bags says:

    One day Ron and Laura are going to tangle with the wrong person. This is another reason they do not have and actual “church” building because people would know where to find them. They hide behind the scenes and are pretty distant from the people they screw over. I do not think there are many people at all around Northern KY and Cincinnati that are in the PKG. I know there are some but not many.

    I would venture to say these locals are handled somewhat differently too.

  • juror bags says:

    Glad I’m Free,
    I do not wish a divorce for anyone but you are correct and justified about Terry. People do tend to get what they deserve and reap what they sow. Too bad that karma is not destroying Ron and Laura’s life. It is chipping away at them daily but not quick enough for my liking. Looks like Terry is getting a little taste of his own medicine.
    Sad but probably deserved given how he treated you and your situation. Two wrongs do not make a right but there you have it. Another divorce inspired by the Weinland Clan.

    To a large degree he was just doing Ron and Laura’s dirty work for them though. They are ultimately the guilty ones. Another way to look at it is that Terry probably did you a favor in an unfortunate way. No one deserves to be abused and what not. You are much better off without someone like your ex. Best of luck to you and be thankful you are now removed from the PKG death grip.

    The thought crossed my mind that Terry would step in for Ron and take over possibly. He seemed to be the most qualified to me. If he did not have such a good job it may have been more tempting. I would really like to know the truth about Terry and him leaving PKG. I can still put a face with his name along with others at the trial.

  • juror bags says:

    I also agree that Ron and Laura only want the ones they can control. The others are too much work for their lazy asses. And they do not want the risk of being exposed. I bet that pkg elder (no longer) is really chapping Ron and Laura with his speaking out. Kudos!

  • martin says:

    It is a shame that Terry doesn’t say something.

    If you think Ron wronged you or that Ron is a false prophet, why are you not saying something???

    I knew Ron was a false prophet from the get go, there were many proofs.

    Basically I’m saying I wasn’t wronged by Ron personally, but see him wronging others, and I feel like saying something about Ron’s evils.

    How much more should a person speak out who was wronged by Ron himself.

  • Jocko says:

    Juror Bags said “One day Ron and Laura are going to tangle with the wrong person”.

    Now there’s a prophecy I would like to see fulfilled. How about you?

  • Acts says:

    Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule (Ministry) this people which is in Jerusalem (The Churches of God )

    Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:

    Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth SHALL NOT MAKE HASTE .

    Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

    And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then YOU shall be trodden down by it.

    19From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

  • Acts says:

    Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

    Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

    Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?

  • Acts says:

    Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    I do remember that in Florida there were two divorces that took place and it was because of the false prophesies given by the false prophet(s) of pkg. I really do wonder how many more there really are?

    I was thinking about Ann’s divorce last night and I wonder if she really has counted the cost of that action? Ann was the “plaintiff” which means she filed for the divorce. I can only imagine the riff that has been caused among the family members. Divorces are extremely divisive and polarizing and can destroy family relationships both immediate and extended.

    Ann, have you considered where you will be in life when the end comes for ron and laura? The fact of the matter is that you will be alone and come to regret the sacrifice you have made to laura. What are you going to do? Remarry one of laura’s “drones”?

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    I have noticed that there have been some voices giving a warning to cog-pkg, possibly others, about crossing someone who may take matters into their own hands.

    I have been in upper administration for municipalities for over twenty years. I have reviewed cases where this very thing has taken place. It does happen and in today’s society it’s seem to be more commonplace than ever before.

    When organizations, such as pkg, defraud enough people and a growing number of destroyed families through divorce takes place and family members rejecting one another as a result of an organizations, such as pkg’s, deceit and fraud, not to mention, the putting off of health care and medications that leads to accelerated health problems that result in death and the revelation that organizations, such as pkg, has used tithe offerings for extravagant life styles is setting the stage for an event of someone taking matters into their own hands.

    The present path of cog-pkg is leading to this very event. I have learned with regard to God’s warnings is that is comes by at least two voices and no less. I am of the opinion that this warning is now given to cog-pkg and the leadership should give this warning some consideration.

    The warning signs are obvious, the more people that find out about how cog-pkg took advantage of them financially that has resulted in lasting damage to their affairs will eventually take root. NOW! The most dangerous warning sign is the destroying of marriages and family relationships that leads to anger and obsessive hatred will only result in someone being harmed or possibly losing their life. The individual will look at the organization, such as pkg, and may decide to take an action of revenge.

    Am I concerned about this, YES I AM!! My wife is still a member of cog-pkg and she may have some exposure to some harm caused by a revengeful individual. This should be a concern for all of the membership that is left. Activities of this type by an organization, such as pkg, can trigger a dangerous response from an individual who places the blame on the leadership of an organization, such as pkg!

  • We should have traded Ron Weinland for the soldier instead of the 5 Taliban.


  • Randy says:

    Ron said Satan gave him his wrong (given info ) what’s to say he (Satan) is not going to give him the info. For his new book ? Just saying !

  • Elder-pkg (no longer), there is precedence for what you say. In 2005, a disaffected member in the LCG came into church one Sabbath and shot the minister dead along with others dead or wounded.

    The Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia is quite effective in producing sociopaths because it is an extreme dysfunctional social dynamic. Normal people don’t give up to three-tenths of their income to a cult (and in the case of the Weinlands, much more to go to their luxury fund). Normal people don’t take one-tenth of their annual gross to blow it all at a cult convention on travel, lodging, food and booze — a lot of it, while they and their children live on a lot less and barely get by. Normal people do get divorced and families break up, but not because a cult leader. Normal people don’t adopt an alternative earth history (unless they are Scientologists) which becomes the core of not just their belief system, but the core of their very lives, always looking for the next “fix” of the promise of the return of Christ (and possibly a place of safety): Don’t worry — it will soon all be over with and you all will be winners! (Yeah, right — not so far!)

    It’s no wonder that Herbert Armstrong was accompanied by armed guards with loaded guns: Someone at any time who was driven crazy by the scoundrels of the power structure in the cult (or fellow members) could break down into violence.

    The entire cult is extremely dysfunctional to the point that it is surreal like the Twilight Zone on steroids: It’s almost impossible to even discuss the situation rationally.

    Frankly, I would have expected a lot more incidents by now, but maybe it’s because so many are so cowed and confused that they are paralyzed.

    Any. Day. Now.

  • juror bags says:

    Elder-pkg (no longer),
    You are correct with your assessment on retaliation. People can only take so much before they snap. Some much less than others with the right circumstances.

    Ron did try to explain that they have had death threats in court as he tried to explain that the expensive alarm systems on their homes were a “church” expense. These were also shown to be a personal expense but I feel Ron was being truthful there. I can see and understand why also. They have harmed so many people there is bound to be others hacked off about what Ron and Laura have done to them or to their loved ones. This was about one of the only times he spoke of anything that could be assumed to be truthful. Everything else was far fetched B.S.

    Refresh my memory on the healthcare doctrine of PKG. I am foggy there but it was an issue discussed by the prosecution. Their main objective was to show the sacrifices followers made and that the entire Weinland Clan all had great heath insurance which was paid for with tithe cash.

    I can understand your concerns with your wife being in harms way and feel for you, but I think the real harm is that she is in the clutches of Ron and Laura mainly. If someone is going to go after anyone Ron and Laura would be targeted because they are the ones doing the damage. Yes, the other “church” leaders would possibly be a victim of violence depending on the situation and also depending on how the offender perceives them affecting things.

    Once again, this is what ticks me off because Ron and Laura endanger followers in numerous ways and could care less. They want their tithe cash and that is their only concern. I feel really badly about your situation with your wife and fellows like Randy with his situation with his mother. It is heart breaking and very rough to deal with. I am not affected directly in any way and have no relatives in the situation and it still infuriates me. I can only imagine how hard it truly is to sit back and watch family being abused and manipulated by Ron and Laura.

    Ron and Laura are serving up the recipe for a perfect storm. When someone gets to the point of letting the Weinlands bankrupt them and destroy their family where else do they have to turn? Well, I think they will turn to Ron and Laura with a vengeance because they have no other direction to go. Everyone will eventually fight back and retaliate when cornered and no other option is available. At this point what else would they really have to lose since their life is basically destroyed anyway. Scary but likely.

    Think about it. Ron and Laura are telling followers to max out credit cards, drain retirement accounts, sell or refinance homes and drain out all of their other financial resources for a LIE and so they can give the cash to the Luxury Fund. Now toss in the divided families and broken marriages. Don’t forget the emotions resulting from lies discovered and destroyed hopes. This is a time bomb waiting that with one day explode.

    The Weinlands will be deserving of anything and everything coming their way. Hopefully it is getting defused here and this EVIL PKG hocus-pocus horse shit is put out of business sooner than later before another victim goes to jail for doing a justified homicide. Ron and Laura getting whacked would result in someone else being victimized by them and ultimately wind up in prison because of them. Karma would come full circle but someone else has to pay for it once again by losing their freedom.

    I do not understand how society and the laws governing let situations like this continue until some poor broken soul possibly takes the law into there own hands. That is why I said I would have charged Laura and Audra also and served up stiffer jail terms and fines to ensure the PKG went out of business. I guess the law doesn’t allow for that because then all of the greedy lawyers would run out of work too. Oh well. All I will say about this is that if someone messes with the bull enough they will eventually get the horns. Ron and Laurdass have been taunting the bull with the red flag for a long time and I guess you could add the title of matadors to their bogus resumes. They are running with the bulls and their asses are getting old, slow, and fat. Not a good thing for them.

  • juror bags says:

    Yea, that would be a better prisoner trade for sure. Maybe would could get a couple more suicide bombers to fly the exchange planes and clean up a bunch of crap in transit.

    Something is fishy with this Bergdahl soldier. If he didn’t defect or such I believe he would have been killed by his captors (other religious nut jobs) yet they let him hang around for 5 years.

    I do view him as another victim in the grand scheme of things. Pressures of war makes people do so crazy stuff. He is just another pawn.

  • juror bags says:

    I misinterpreted Becker’s prisoner exchange plan. What I meant was that Ron and the Taliban be on these planes with the suicide bombers. Jihad Ron is not much different than the Taliban. Ron just operates differently and has different targets.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Religion should bring two people closer together, not tear them apart. I know one in WI stopped attending PKG, to save his 34 year marriage and I was told several times to stop having contact with them. I also know of one in KY that are divorced now as a result of PKG teachings. Then look at the person that killed Jeffrey Dommer. His statement, “I already have a life sentence, so what did I have to loose. This way I’ll be remembered for taking him out, not for the crime that I did that put me in prison.” Ron still has lots of time left behind bars, you never know when one has had enough and the problem will be taken care of, especially if one might be related to another in PKG.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Isn’t this interesting! We are hearing more about relationships and marriages that have been destroyed by Pennywise”(ron) and the “black widow”(laura).

    How many are there? And these two insects proclaim themselves to be “God’s Chosen”!?

  • whatmeworry says:

    Randy, I don’t comment here often but I have a question for you. Is your mother elderly? I mean like over 70’s? I think you need to stay close to her, however hard it is to see her exposed to all that crap. If you think that Laura is sucking her in MORE than she has, then maybe you should step in and become her conservator. This way you’d be able to watch the cash flow and restrict Laura’s influence somewhat. It is obvious that Laura is causing your Mom emotional stress, and that it could be affecting her health physically and psychologically. Just something to think about.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Juror Bags:

    Gulag pkg does promote anointing but does not stand in the way of seeing a doctor. What I was referring to was that I was aware of some older >70 members deciding to stop taking their meds and canceling doctor appointments. This was all based on the “return” of Christ as prophesied by the false ones. I remember telling them NOT to do that, but, I was ignored.

    As a result of this, one of the older ones whom I knew very well is now approaching the end of his life because of believing the false ones and by not taking his meds, during that time, has accelerated his diabetes and he is now partially disable, his heart is damaged, as well, as his kidneys. This man was a agile individual and was very active and now he can barely get out of his chair and is looking forward to dying. He has admitted to me that he made a stupid decision out of faith and that it has cost him dearly and the cost to his health was not worth it. To be blunt, he is dying slowly because of this and could have had another ten years of decent health if he stayed on his meds.

    I do know that his son is not very happy with pkg because of what has happen to his father. Is this going to fester into something greater when his father’s dies? Who knows? But the son does know who is responsible for his father’s condition.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Juror Bags,

    My wife has no clue what the weinlands are all about in their scheme to defraud the membership of their money. Nor does she understand, at this time, that they are liars and false prophets.

    I have to be very careful not to upset her. However there are times when I can detect that she is aware of something not being right with gulag pkg. But, I have to wait for my opportunity to engage her in dialog and prove my point and show her the evident of what the weinlands are all about. Our marriage is sound and we built our marriage on respect for one another’s beliefs. This is where I have to be careful and not violate that respect we have. I have absolute disdain for the weinlands and I have to keep it under control around her. All I have to do is to be patient and wait for the opportunity to engage. Hopefully the real truth will get out about all the broken marriages and relationships that the weinlands are responsible for will resonate with the membership. If it is great enough, it will get her attention and it will be bad news for gulag pkg.

    The current postings are revealing a long trail of divorce and destroyed relationships. I know of attending parents totally ignoring their own disfellowshiped children and grand children as well. I have to question the faith of the parents who do this to their children and relatives. Is your faith so weak that you have to destroy what you love most, your family!? Why do you allow some false teachings to isolate and cause major discord within your own family because some human idiot has convinced you to do so? If your faith is strong then family relationships and marriage would survive! But no! Some false prophet(s) convinces you that you are weak and you must protect yourself from “them”, YOUR FAMILY!!!! THIS IS SHEER IDIOCY AND FOOLISHNESS!!!

  • Randy says:

    Yes mom is 82 and belive what every Laura tells her but like I always said I think she looking threw Laura bullshit we had a deep discussion the other night no yelling just question and she could not answer them , like if a man says something is going to happen in the name of God and it doesn’t don’t be afraid to leave him, and no man shale know date ,hour or time of the return of Christ , I’m sorry to be so mean but I love my mom !!!!!!

  • Randy says:

    I can see sometimes mom has a blank stair and I know it’s what’s on here mind ! Thank you so much!!!!!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Randy, I also hope your mom will see through Ron’s lies. Ask her what kind of man as his first job as a spirit being would curse people as he has? Jesus Christ healed people, never made them sick. Even his enemies. Ron has cursed people over and over. This is the man they want to follow? Ron should be ashamed of himself for the things he has called down on people. What a wonderful spirit being he would make. I know your mom and she has never wished anyone any evil. Shouldn’t Ron be at least as good as your mom as one of Gods true witnesses? He couldn’t come close. I have known your mom for 40 years. Ask your mom to really pray for the truth. He will never forsake us.

  • martin says:

    What I do ponder is why people don’t match what’s in the bible with what they see with their eyes.

    If Christ was SECOND born instead of firstborn should we not discount him?

    The bible makes plain statements about him being born of a virgin, thus he must be the first born.

    It’s a simple statement/proclamation/prophecy of the bible.

    So presumably if Christ did not fulfill this one prophecy, we should disqualify him as the Messiah.

    So why can people not see the plain and clear disconnect???? Ron has fulfilled NO PROPHECY whatsoever regarding the two witnesses.

    Why do not people see this? It baffles me!

    Why do not people see the plain and clear LIES when Ron tries to retrofit reality to somehow show prophecy was fulfilled when it clearly hasn’t?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking Elder-pkg, but looking back, now that you can see the whole picture, do you know see all that he never fulfilled?

    How Ron has not fulfilled one “dot” or “tittle” of any prophecy whatsoever in regards to the Two Witnesses?

  • juror bags says:

    I have a thought as to why Ron and Laura might encourage the elderly and other followers to no take their meds. I would not put it past the Weinlands either since it was obvious and shown repeatedly in court they do not practice nor believe in the message they preach.

    It is sick and twisted but so are the Weinlands when you get right down to it. Maybe they encourage some not to take needed meds because hey why do you need to when Christ is about to roll into town riding shotgun in Ron’s 5 series BMW? Just like being encourage to deplete their bank accounts so they can forward the money to the Luxury Fund because they won’t need the cash when Christ returns. Right?

    I feel that Ron and Laura encourage the behavior of not properly taking care of ones health because they will pass on sooner and Ron and Laura can tap into their money after they die. We all know many elderly leave a lot of money to the church when they pass away. Especially mind controlled followers of a CULT. It would be very fair to say that undue influence from Ron and Laura would make the Luxury Fund grow as these followers die.

    This is completely horrible and wrong. Ron and Laura know they are making up lies and setting made up dates to encourage such behaviors. They do not quit taking their meds either. Do they. This IS how cunning, manipulative, evil, and conniving Ron and Laura are. They did not drain their accounts and quit paying their bills because they knew Christ’s return was a made up LIE. In fact they were planning for the future as shown repeatedly in court. Completely disgusting.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:


    “… I hope you don’t mind me asking Elder-pkg, but looking back, now that you can see the whole picture, do you now see all that he never fulfilled?…”

    This is a fair question. To answer your question, ABSOLUTLY!!! Hind sight can be a wonderful and painful revelation. I look back at all of this and I am disappointed in myself for being so foolish to believe this clown. I have the background to know better. But, I have learned a great lesson through this experience and that is to ignore cunning individuals (ron) who have learned the art of deceit through tapping on partial truths and emotions. Ronnie is an emotional parasite and he knows how to play it well, however, truth is the antidote to this blood sucking insect.

    The real evil is his wife. Laura is the driving force of this whole operation; ronnie is the beneficiary of it and his loves the results. Laura has successfully destroyed ronnie’s career as a minister and is desperate to resuscitate it! Their greed has now become their downfall and it is ruinousness to them! I take great joy in their progressing downfall for what they have done to innocent people.

    Back to your question, I have gone back and am in the process relearning all that I know to be true and the Bible is my ONLY source!! I am DONE with all of these self proclaimed “God’s chosen” idiots!! I ONLY hear one voice now and the rest are NOT even considered anymore!!!

  • Acts says:

    Ron , Laura , Take a look

    Leviticus 23:15
    “Count seven full weeks from the day after Passover (the day you bring the bundle of grain as an offering presented to the LORD)

    God’s Word Translation .

    You would have no church at all right now if people would understand this one scripture above. But old habits Die Hard!

    Pentecost to Pentecost 😀

    Ezekiel 8:16
    Then he brought me into the inner courtyard of the LORD’s temple. There at the entrance to the LORD’s temple, between the entrance and the altar, were about 25 men who had their backs turned to the LORD’s temple. They were facing east and worshiping the rising sun.

    Jeremiah 7:8
    You are trusting the words of a saying. It’s a lie that cannot help you. 9You steal, murder, commit adultery, lie when you take oaths, burn incense as an offering to Baal, and run after other gods that you do not know. (False Christs )10Then you stand in my presence in the house that is called by my name. You think that you’re safe to do all these disgusting things. 11The house that is called by my name has become a gathering place for thieves. I have seen what you are doing,’ ” declares the LORD.

    Pentecost – Sivan 6 = June 4 Today

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Juror Bags,

    It is a sad practice, but it is a known fact that it does go on. I have noticed that pkg does follow these practices of other religious organizations who do in fact become beneficiaries of estates of elderly individuals. PKG is no different.

    I foresee that laura will become more aggressive in demanding offerings from the remaining membership and hopefully that will expose her for what she really is!! This women (laura) is one of the most diabolical creature I have ever seen. I look at the BLATANT disregard of established doctrines and teachings of the Bible by these two and it is overwhelming!

    In my response to Martin I had to question myself on being so loose in guarding my spiritual knowledge and life. I understand what prophets are and are not, but, I failed to take notice of it. I understand who the two witnesses are, I failed to take notice of. Please understand, I am not condemning myself, but what a “wake up” call this experience was!!

    Because of this experience, I have no reservation what so ever in speaking out against these types of individuals!! They can threaten death cures all they want to because they are meaningless and it exposes them for what they really are. What angers me the most is the destroying of marriages and relationships outside and inside of family. God is NOT a destroyer of families – parasitic bastards like the wienlands are the destroyers of families!!

    If God ever made me a judge over people like this the “river of blood” would flow from these types of bastards!!!

  • But finally, Weinland has come up with one prophecy that will come true: That Christ will not return June 8, 2014.

    And that will give the PKG what it needs: A fulfilled prophecy and continuing confidence in the Weinlands.


  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Now Acts, Lev 23:15 specifically uses the word “sabbath” not passover.

    I do not mean to offend you, but, please be careful when you are quoting scripture to make a point.

  • Acts says:

    The word for Sabbaths is translated WEEKS. No offense taken , and I do not mean to offend anyone . Also am not passing Judgment on anyone but the leadership.

    Numbers 28:26   Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, AFTER YOUR WEEKS BE OUT, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work:

    The stumbling block here is people are counting weekly Sabbaths instead of counting seven weeks from Passover .

  • Acts says:

    23:15 “‘From the day after the Sabbath, (1st Day of unleavened bread) )the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks

    Annual Sabbath. Not weekly .

  • Acts says:

    Zephaniah 1:4

    “I will stretch out my hand against Judah and against all who live in Jerusalem. I will destroy every remnant of Baal worship in this place, the very names of the idolatrous priests–

    5those who bow down on the roofs
    to worship the starry host,
    those who bow down and swear by the Lord
    and who also swear by Molek

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    When it comes to the fine points of doctrines such as determining the date for Pentecost, would prefer not debating them here. If anyone would like to do that, I could facilitate an exchange of email addresses.

    At least you’re doing your own thinking, instead of letting Ron do it

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Today would have been my anniversary if PKG had not destroyed it. Hope they are all celebrating, cause Satan likes nothing better than to destroy marriages.

  • Acts says:

    Glad I’m free , you should be Glad you are free! Satan is behind PKG and the other groups. I knew your husband . I am sorry for all your troubles . He is blinded right now by Strong Delusion . Satan has Strongholds.

    Daniel 8:25
    And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, AND BY PEACE : shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    Jeremiah 6:14
    14They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

    15Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

  • bilbo says:

    I mean no disrespect to God or any individual – but if God cared as much about dates and days, as people who claim to speak for him do, don’t you think he would have stopped the false prophecy and extortion of organized religion by now?

    I think the weightier matters of the law (love, kindness, forgiveness) are weightier for a reason!

  • Acts says:

    Isaiah 3:16
    Because the daughters of Zion are Haughty
    Because the Churches of God are Haughy

    Go read what God is going to do to them.

  • Acts says:

     “I will sweep away everything
        from the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord.
     “I will sweep away both man and beast;
        I will sweep away the birds in the sky
        and the fish in the sea—
        and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble.
    “When I destroy all mankind
        on the face of the earth,”
    declares the Lord,

    Is Ron or anyone preparing people for this ?

    All the fairy tails they expect to happen before Christ returns.

    And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

  • Acts says:

    Zephaniah 2:3
    Seek ye the LORD, ALL ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’S anger.

    Psalm 119

    My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:

    Glade I’m Free,

    Sorry for the sad anniversary. I have to bite my tongue when I hear of things like this.

  • martin says:

    Glad I’m Free says:

    What does your ex think? Does he think Christ is returning? Is he upset because now he has to wait 3 1/2 more years (and that’s when Ron decided he started his job for real this time). This 3 1/2 years that is to go, Ron has given no indication when this will start, it could be 10 years for all who knows. Of course for Ron, 10 years would be great, because he could collect tithes for 10 more years, spend 99% of it on himself and 1% on preaching the gospel. For Ron this is fantastic, for the poor sod PKGer that’s paying this tithe, it’s not so good.

  • Debbie says:

    IMO Ronnie & Laura – perhaps Audra & Jeremy also – are far too important in their own eyes to actually get jobs and work under the authority of another.

    In addition – they now taste of the spoils ($$$ & lifestyle) they continue to reap while proclaiming their nonsense. They call it ‘work’ – those of us who actually have careers/jobs/furthering education etc know better.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Ronnie & Laura relocate to Europe to begin their next phase of deceptive witnessing – Since Ronnie’s imprisonment the pool of tithe slaves has dried up on this side of the globe – With the new book coming out he may find a new demographic to target.

  • Elder-pkg (no longer) says:


    If I understand ronnie’s sentencing correctly, after his prison time he also has three years of supervision and has to answer to a probation officer. I believe this would delay a relocation to europe. However, I do agree with you that they will relocate when it is possible. Maybe this is why they were trying to hide a secrete bank account in europe, but, got caught.

  • Midget58 says:

    Wow! Can’t believe Audra is remarried already!!!

  • Acts says:

    The show of their countenance does witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe to their soul! for they have rewarded evil to themselves.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    Last I knew, Gary is 100% deceived by Ron and group. I do know that last year when he got the phone call about Christ not returning on May 26, that was when he got up set with me. I just said “told you so”, he went nuts. That’s when he came at me with the cordless drill w/bit, “it was less then 2″ Your Honor, it wouldn’t do have done much damage”. Also when he was drunk. Police took his blood alcohol level. When I called Laura and Johnny, they both said they couldn’t talk with me, Terry listened, but hung up. That was the last time that Gary has lived at the house. Filed the restraining shortly after that.

    Maybe PKG should reread the post about alcohol and follow it. Gary likes to drink. Claims he is never drunk. Now with the divorce, remember PKG ladies, he’ll be looking for his next victim. Don’t fall pray to his “smooth ways and talk”. He is good at talking the talk, but not walking the talk. As most PKG people are.

  • martin says:

    Gary, if you don’t mind me saying, is an imbecile.

    If he’s going to get mad at anybody, he should have gotten mad at Ron.

  • bilbo says:

    I don’t have all the facts of course, but my intuition is that Gary initially at least, got angry at the thought of having to face reality. It overwhelmed him on some level, and the “i told you so” was the salt in the wound that made him snap.

    Same reaction as a drug addict getting angry upon intervention. As for the elders, they’re the pushers, they are employees of the gang, so why would they help one of their addicts actually recover? That explains the hanging up on you and not even hearing you out, if you get the analogy.

    After all that Ron built up as well, it is difficult for that bubble to burst. Remember, some of the group-think going around was that debt would become irrelevant and we would be helping ourselves to abandoned property after everyone else (who didn’t end up following Ron) died. Sort of a spoils-of-war thing, like many other bible stories.

    For some it is simply too painful to acknowledge having been so gullible and so expertly manipulated. Add to that the fellowship that’s at stake, and add to that having to cleanup the mess you made (debts, lost time, lost relationships). I can totally see how one can lose their mind after several years in a fake cog with fake buildup and fake expectations.

    It is wonderful that people get together to worship. More basic than that, if people want to get together and play make believe, that is a basic human right. But marketing it through false claims in order to to deliberately recruit payees through deception is where it crosses the line and becomes unethical.

  • Randy says:

    Anybody that follows the Weinland are nuts and hard headed !

  • juror bags says:

    The Weinlands define immoral and unethical Bilbo. They are the poster scum. Current day dictionaries should include a picture of them next to these words and many others.

  • martin says:

    If I was defrauded I would get angry at the person that defrauded me…..

    I see people do this all the time (not necessarily in religious matters), where a person does somebody wrong, but instead of being mad at that person, they get mad at somebody else, I could never understand that reaction.

  • Acts says:

    Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

    A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, (false doctrine) and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

    Amos 8:11

    Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

    Rev 19:15
    And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

     For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

    All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

  • Acts says:

    For thus saith the LORD unto the house of Israel, Seek ye me, and ye shall live

    Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,

    Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name: That strengtheneth the spoiled against the strong, so that the spoiled shall come against the fortress.

    They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.

    Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? 26But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. 27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.

    40 Years

    For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.

  • Acts says:

    He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

  • Gary is a typical alcoholic who looks to be in the third and final stage of alcoholism before death. For additional information, be sure to read “Under the Influence” by Dr. James Milam.

    What is lacking is documentation of social group collectives of alcoholics led by boozing leaders, but we sort of have a glimpse into that with the WCG and some of the extreme ACoGs, such as the PCG, although just having “one off” alcoholics within a group can be bad enough.

    My suspicion is that if we were to scratch the surface and do surveys and testing (alcoholism is an inherited chronic liver disease which can easily be identified by an objective test devised by Dr. Milam), we would probably find quite a lot of it in the PKG. If so, a lot of what happens would be colored by the alcoholics in the group and, based on my experience in he ACoGs, tends to be quite pervasive and has quite an effect on the entire group. It’s sort of like the whole group is affected by the alcohol “poisoning” (and it should be noted that some of the PKG members were originally from Spokane where one ex Marine alcoholic did quite a lot of damage to the WCG in the 1960s and 1970s (not to mention the alcoholic minister who shot his wife and committed suicide outside her divorce attorney’s offices).

    Tomorrow is the day that Jesus is not returning yet again. You PKG members will have confirmed once again that Ron Weinland is a false prophet and you should not follow him. Are you going to wait yet another year for the non return of Christ on Pentecost or are you going to do the right thing and leave on Monday?

    I submit that the alcoholics will stay.

  • Acts says:

    They are Drunk on False Prophecy . They are Drunk on Lying Signs And Wonders. They are Drunk on False Christs . They are Drunk on Pride.

    Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    They have made an image of The Beast.

  • They are Drunk on False Prophecy . They are Drunk on Lying Signs And Wonders. They are Drunk on False Christs . They are Drunk on Pride.

    All true. Also they are drunk on alcohol.

    Well, maybe not drunk — because their livers are defective (thanks to their mother’s genetics), alcohol is fuel to them and has the opposite effect than that of normal drinkers. Having a drink is supposed to relax you, not set you into a manic state of energy.

    It’s ironic that some were teetotalers before entering the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia, but thanks to the manly doctrine of boozing, they activated their alcoholism and became quite dysfunctional, taking their family down with them (as well as, in many cases, the rest of the church group they were in).

    Near as I can tell, Gary is a prime example of CoHAMdum fueled dysfunction. Drinking begins at 10 AM. It helps with the hangover. Make sure you’re boozed up for services…. And afterward go to a restaurant and drink your lunch.

  • OK, I admit it — I’m wrong! Drinking begins at 9:30 AM. It will give you a good buzz before song services begin (and help you more if you’re the song leader!). Be sure to bring enough to share.

    I remember the teens in church passing the flask in services disguised in a plain brown paper bag. These days, they probably have stuff that’s stronger.

    And what’s with church members being so much against pot when they booze themselves with alcohol? It’s about the same thing isn’t it? And now in our state it’s even legal.

    These double standards really confuse me….

  • Acts says:

    Refresh my memory, I recall hearing about a time in World wide when they were going back and forth on Marriage and Divorce.

    Did they not make people who remarried after Divorce leave their new husband or wife?

    If anyone could shed some light on this or any other confusion that they witnessed , please do.

    For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t know about back and forth. I do remember a couple back in the 60’s who were required to separate because one of the spouses had previously been married. Then another case where the wife left the husband (allegations of mental abuse on the part of the husband), and later the husband was allowed to remarry since the wife had left the church.

  • I believe that the year was 1972 (you know, the year that we were supposed to flee to the place of safety so we would be ready when Christ returned in 1975) that Herbert Armstrong came up with the bright idea that after divorced people came into the Worldwide Church of God and were baptized, their former marriage was “forgiven” and they could remarry if they were single at the time and if they were remarried when they came in, they could stay with their spouse and the children would not have to be custody cases.

    But before that time (and especially with the absolute control ministers had over the lives of people in the church, even to going through their cupboards looking for white flour, white sugar and white rice), people who divorced and remarried with a current spouse had to submit to a church investigation. If the investigation revealed that the spouse was still married to the former spouse in spite of the divorce, they could not be married to their current spouse, would have to get a divorce and remain single until their former spouse died (even if they married someone else). The circumstances of “non marriage” had something to do with “fornication” but that matter is rather fuzzy in my mind (given that the whole thing was daft anyway).

    So if you were “bound” to your former spouse, and had remarried, you were to divorce your current spouse and could not be “bound” to them. This resulted in terrible ripped up families with confused children and unhappy (divorced) people. The people were happy. The children were happy. The domestic companions were happy. Then Herbert Armstrong came along and ruined their lives making them unprosperous and unhappy with trauma to last a life time.

    I’m not sure that clarifies it, Acts. If not maybe you can ask further questions and maybe I or someone else could render better understanding of this confusing dysfunction.

    “How to Have a Happy Marriage” was a booklet back then which should have had a companion booklet, “How to Have a Happy Divorce”.

    God is not the author of confusion, but cult leaders sure are.

  • Acts says:

    Thanks Mike. If anyone knows of any other instances please share.

  • jack635 says:

    “Are you going to wait yet another year for the non return of Christ on Pentecost or are you going to do the right thing and leave on Monday?”

    Douglas, surely you know the return of Jesus is not next year? Three an one half years after Ron (Gods most formidable prophet of all time) is released from prison, is when Jesus will return! Ron’s new book God’s Final Witness 2020: The End, will reveal all to you. I thought someone as experienced as you would know this! You need to get an mp3 player and listen to all of Ron’s truths.

  • Acts says:

    Thanks DB , That about sums it up. Total insanity ! So many hurt , so much Destroyed ! That’s pure Blasphemy to call that Gods Church.

    Isaiah 52:5
    Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.

  • jack635 says:

    God’s Final Witness: The End, is the second book of the trilogy God’s Final Witness. Spoiler alert: there may be a fourth book, but that’s just a rumour. I’ve heard it will be called “The Holy Bible: PKG”

  • If I remember correctly, there were 10 of these situations where mates had to divorce in my experience between Seattle and Spokane. The children were confused and miserable.

    And just when they had finally sort of adjusted to their situations, then the ecclesiastical law was changed and they could be married again. And maybe it was 1974 instead.

    Up until the 1970s, the church had absolute control over member’s lives as to whether they could own an auto, marry or buy a house. When the 1970s rolled around and there was an influx of tens of thousands of people, there were too few “administrators” to too many members. Herbert Armstrong made the choice to compromise some of the more harsh doctrines so he could widen the membership to get more power and money. Plus he married a divorced woman after the change in doctrine (whose husband was still around in Pasadena). Of course, his divorce ended with his paying Ramona $5 million of our tithe money, but so what — it wasn’t his money, so he didn’t have to worry about it. He claimed he owned nothing (except maybe his clothing) because it all belonged to the church anyway. Apparently that included his wife, since we paid for her.

  • Acts says:

    Ron & Laura , This is the Third Commandment , you can find it in Exodus 20:7

    Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

    Read that carefully .

  • Jack, of course I know Christ is not returning next year, but does the PKG?

    I’m not going to listen to Rotten Ronnie. He has no truth (except his statement that Christ isn’t returning this year). Waste of time.

  • Yes Acts, we can advise him to prepare for the Lake of Fire, but I’m afraid the warnings will fall on deaf (and itching) ears.

  • Looks like Rotten Ronnie will go from itching ears to burning ears, if you know what I mean….

  • gd says:

    When the weinland whores come to the uk they are in for a surprise !!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hopefully something legal. Now that could be quite painful < pointing to what Rotten Ronnie is experiencing >.

  • whatmeworry says:

    @Randy, sorry I haven’t been online all weekend. Had another thought. On the sly, you can have Laura’s phone # blocked on your Mom’s phone. Depending on the phone company, it usually is an easy thing to do. Would probably take awhile for Mom to catch on, and therefore, could bring a little peace to her. (I am a conniver from way back! 😉 )

  • whatmeworry says:

    My mother was one of the first Divorce and Remarriage cases in the church. She was widowed in 1965. The ministry in our local area arranged a hook up with a confirmed bachelor. He basically whisked her off her feet, took her to the theater, restaurants, the whole deal. What the WCG wanted was to marry him off so they could make him a local elder as bachelors were never ordained, except of course Gerald Waterhouse. They married in 1968, in the Fall, and her was ordained 1 month later at the Feast. Well, he was a MONSTER, and a drunk, and impotent to boot. My mother was a mess for 4 years, he beat the crap out of my brother for locking him out by accident. He eventually hit my mother too. All along, she councelled with the ministry, and was treated like a hot potato. They knew it was a mess, and had no cause to disfellowship her. They knew she did nothing wrong, but still, he was a minister! Pasadena was stymied. After 5 years of living hell, she left. She left it all behind while he was at work. Eventually, she filed for a divorce. She lost all the $ she gave him for down payments for houses they bought. She gave him all our social security $ we got as minors of a deceased person. I never had the $ to go to college. My brother never forgave my mother, and estranged himself until his death at age 50. The kicker was that he left his 50% of the proceeds of the sale of the house they jointly owned. When he finally kicked it, the church basically strong armed my mother to hand over her 50%. She now has NOTHING, and lives with me. AND after all they did to her, she STILL attends the GCI. Amazing.

  • FedUp says:


    Can you give us a hint?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Randy, I recommend that you not take up whatmeworry’s advice for phone blocking. Let’s leave the under-handed stuff to Ron and Laura.

  • whatmeworry says:

    ok Mike. sorry.