The Present Truth #45

We don’t have a weekly posting from False Prophet Ronald Weinland.  Perhaps Bubba was tired of hearing the scratching of nonsense on paper with  his #2 pencils and broke them.  We are treated to a sermon from Deputy Sheriff Wayne who proclaims:

All these ways of governing are from human reasoning and are not based on God’s word. God’s way of government is based on God’s spirit and that’s what really separates mankind’s government from the Church of God – PKG’s government. God’s government is from the top down, and it is based on love.

Ron’s ever changing Present Truth(TM) gets ahead of editing the church website.  Recently, his 45th Truth was updated.  Showing two versions below, with edit marks to show what changed.

Here’s how the 45th Truth read earlier last year, with deleted words shown with strikeouts:

45 (24)    Not all baptized members, including many in the remnant, will be part of the 144,000. Once the sealing of all the 144,000 has been completed on Trumpets of 2008, the larger portion of those who are in the Church of God will continue on in their physical life, into the millennial period. They will constitute a continuation of God’s Church. Many more new people will be added to the Church during the final 3 1/2 years of tribulation. Once the Fifth Trumpet of the Seventh Seal is blown, God will begin awakening most who will make up the actual remnant of those who were once part of the scattering from the Worldwide Church of God. Of the remnant that is awakened, only those who have been awakened before Trumpets will be able to be sealed.

And here’s how it reads now, with added words underlined:

45 (24)    Not all baptized members, including many in the remnant, will be part of the 144,000. The final sealing of those yet alive (which began on Trumpets of 2008) concerning Daniel’s prophecy of the 1335 days was completed on Pentecost of 2012. Those few who were alive and sealed by that date will be resurrected (changed) to Elohim at Christ’s coming.

Those of the vast majority who are in the Church of God will continue on in their physical life, into the millennial period. They will constitute a continuation of God’s Church into that new age. Large numbers of people also will be added to the Church during the “final” Day of the Lord. In addition, once the Fifth Trumpet of the Seventh Seal begins to be physically fulfilled, God will begin awakening most of the people who were once part of the scattering (after the Apostasy) from the Worldwide Church of God. However, only some of those who had been awakened before Trumpets of 2008 are part of the final sealing.

The last edit is the most relative.  With the many delays of Christ’s return, many of those “awakened” on Trumpets of 2008 have awakened to realize what a scamming False Prophet Ronald Weinland is and are departing PKG and all that love.

192 Comments

  • Acts says:

    Updated Truths , thats like some kind of Oxymoron.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thirty years later, we still have the Ministry of Truth.

  • Whisper says:

    Re-writing history, yep – that’s Orwell’s 1984.
    It makes one wonder how many of the faithful actually go and review the “truths” from time to time? Does anyone really care any more or are the truths all stored in musty and deserted e-caverns? But Orwell’s 1984 “Big Brother” would tell you straight up – “You have to keep the millwork running even if no one is paying attention for that is how we keep the ship together and rule the mass’s”. Of course I am not really comparing the rat-trap PKG to Orwell’s Oceania government, wRONg’s clap trap organization is slip shod, none to bright and rather apathetic about such things.
    Go figure non-bright people being shoddy in fabrication of lies?

  • Looks like the Trumpets have all been blown to Hell.

  • It’s not just the Ministry of Peace that Weinland has created, it’s also the Ministries of Truth, Plenty and Love that he’s convinced the PKG to accept.

    Weinland’s Oceania:

    Ministry of Peace = chaos, mental noise, confusion;
    Ministry of Truth = lies, propaganda, insanity;
    Ministry of Plenty = poverty (except for the Weinland family with their luxury fund);
    Ministry of Love = hate, gossip, suspicion, double-dealing, fraud, thievery, slander, libel, death threats.

    Just remember that Weinland’s Oceania is at continual war with the other major powers of the world, such as the RCG, LCG, PCG, UCG, CGG, ICG, CGI, CoGWA — they are all fighting for limited resources in a dystopian universe filled with mind control, oppression, neglect and abuse replete with a system of secret informers used to control the potentially defiant.

  • Byker Bob says:

    Absolutely pitiful! They have learned well the arts of deception, double talk, and exploitation from their mentor, that other false apostle, HWA. We’ve seen this all before. The gospel of salvation from the Germans should have ended in 1975, but it continues yet today.

    BB

  • Ronco says:

    Maybe Ron was just to depressed to post this week over the fact that Dave Pack is getting ahead of him. The RCG site is now available in Swahili!

    http://rcg.org/sw/mwanzo.html

    A new group to dupe… No one is safe.

    It takes a lot of money to build all those new buildings in Wadsworth.

  • Soap Opera says:

    Hi Ozymandias says,
    Yes there are a large number of ex COG members from all the different splinters keeping the Sabbath and holy days at home.
    Many keep contact by phone, internet and such.
    I know one small group that gets together for the feast and holy days.
    Most of the ones keeping the holy days at home stick to the teachings of HWA and stay away from the so called new understandings of Flurry, Pack, Weinland, Coulter, and such.
    Of all these so called leaders Pack would now be the most dangerous, he is a good speaker, writes prolifically sounds good at first till one takes a good look at what he says.
    Getting cash out of members is his main goal.
    I put on this site a while back how Pack makes prophecies that continually fail yet says he is not a prophet.
    This makes him a false prophet just as Weinland is one.
    Someone replied saying unless Pack says he is a Prophet then he cannot be a prophet and as such cannot be a false prophet.
    My reply to that is in that case,
    A liar cannot be a liar unless they say they are a liar.
    A thief cannot be a thief unless they say they are a thief.
    And so on.
    This person should read what Christ said.
    You will know them by their fruits.
    One of Packs fruits aside from love of money is false prophesy.

  • Acts says:

    Ageed.

  • Acts says:

    Agreed. A lie is a lie. No lie is of the Truth . That Is stated in scripture for a reason.

  • Acts says:

    Sometimes it’s not so obvious .

  • Acts says:

    And all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Hmmmm, it appears that wayne is becoming the new face of pkg. ronnie now understands he is a liability.

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Wayne – what are you doing!? How can you support ronnie the wannabe prophet! Deep down you know he is a FALSE prophet!! Also, you know that pkg is NOT God’s true church!!

    There is no way God is going to have a false prophet to head His Chruch!! Look at the evidence:

    1) False prophesies: Not one of his predictions came true! Read Deut 18:22. How many Pentecost to Pentecost are you going to accept? What will you do on June 8th? I will tell you that Christ IS NOT returning on that date.
    2) Ronnie the wannabe prophet has taken God’s name in vain by proclaiming death curses on his competition (oops, scattered church leaders).
    3) Ronnie the wannabe prophet is presumptuous by proclaiming himself a prophet and the rest of the titles he claims.
    4) Ronnie the wannabe prophet IS NOT authorized by God to baptize or disfellowship anyone!! PKG is a FALSE Church and always will be!

    Wayne, do you want to be the “new” face of a false church? What will you do if your wife decides to leave this false church? Will you follow the wannabe prophet and divorce your wife? If you do, then you are a fool!

    Do you remember when ronnie the wannabe prophet demanded that the membership drop their social networking? I wonder why the wannabee did this. It is obvious that it had everything to do with control. In your previous sermon you stated that “if there is no sin then it is a choice”. Tell me what is the sin about social networking? Is it because the unauthorized prophet said so!? Isn’t that a cult activity to isolate the members so as to control them?

    Time to get smart Wayne and look at the hard cold facts about Ronnie the wannabe prophet!!

  • Randy says:

    Ron(asshole) you are a false prophet and a theif and a crook but your wife is worse she is a gossiping scumbag

  • martin says:

    “Isn’t that a cult activity to isolate the members so as to control them?”

    So true…

    Let’s not forget the ridiculous 8 recent sermons as Ron’s desperate attempt to keep PKG members from finding out the truth about anything.

  • martin says:

    “There is no way God is going to have a false prophet to head His Chruch!!”

    It is unfortunate that many in PKG don’t have their brain cells connected…

    The idea that an utterly false prophet, who is false every which way to Sunday, can still be a true apostle or true witness, is ridiculous.

    PKGers somehow believe that a blind man is not going to lead them all into a big ditch….what a shame….what awaits them all won’t be pretty.

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Wayne here is something else to consider: pkg is in decline and you know that it is. There is no growth and the members are leaving. Do you still want to be the new face?

    News Flash!! the HMS Weinland has just struck an iceberg!!! ALL HANDS ABANDON SHIP!!!!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Wayne will sink with the ship. He is a coward full of pride. Would rather spend the rest of his life believing a lie than to admit he was wrong.

    Is that right Wayne?

  • juror bags says:

    “Looks like the trumpets have been blown to Hell.” Ha ha ha ha! Yes, Becker. Same old song and dance. Currently Ron has learned new prison instruments. Today Ron is specializing in Bubba and #2’s. How are Bubba’s meat whistle lessons going, Ronnie? We already know your #2 stuff is substandard, so I would assume Bubba is treating you like a beaten wife. Besides, the trumpets have been scrapped for the brass to keep the Weinlands in some quick cash.

    TRANSLATION:
    PKG’s Government. = The world and CASH GRAB according to Ron-God #3’s laws. Ron’s make believe law trumps God’s Law and the U.S. Government’s. So he thinks. wRONg!!!!!

    God’s government is from the top down, and it is based on love. = Ron the Coward rules like an imaginary iron fisted dictator beating up on the elderly and unfortunate for his LOVE OF MONEY.

    Can you all FEEL THE LOVE? The Shopping Hookers can! The love is a bit more superficial currently. Not as much going around either.

  • juror bags says:

    As for Sherriff Wayne……….. I do not know you nor would I want to. In my opinion you are a complete F***ING MoRON for selling your home and donating the proceeds to the Weinland Luxury Fund. You are a numb skull!

    After Ron is finished with you maybe you can become a Jihadist and get your fifty whatever many virgins too because your marriage will also end someday due to Ron’s bullshit. The Weinlands like the fact that you have sold your home so that they can keep their crib on the golf course. “THANKS, DUMBASS!”, think the Weinlands. Now get Ronnie’s work done for him while he is entertaining Bubba and Laura and Audra can continue sitting on their fat lazy asses to run their mouths and talk bad about you too behind your back. How is God’s paycheck treating you now?

    How can a person like yourself be hood winked by a lying con-artist like Conald Swineland? You sir, are a bigger Jackass than your Ron-God #3! IDIOT! Enjoy your crash and burn, CHUMP!

  • juror bags says:

    Wayne,
    How much cash does your God need? I personally have not seen God with his hand out asking for money. I have seen what type of cash Ron-God #3 and Company require to live their lavish lifestyles. How much money have you given your False $$PROFIT$$ and his Witnessing Cash Queens. The ONLY THINGS those bitches witness are the sales at shopping centers and pampering their vacationing needs.

    I had a thought: Why do these Weinlands even need homes? They are usually too busy traveling, staying in upscale hotels, and shopping. They are hardly ever home so why do they need such expensive places to call such? Funny, they have nice places and Wayne and others do without. Huh? Makes ya think!

    Wayne, be sure to keep up the good work and keep the cash rolling into that Cincinnati, Ohio P.O. Box! Pretty cool that God himself lives in the Tri-State area here.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I don’t listen to the sermons any more, so how do you know Wayne sold his house and gave Ron the money?

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland is very very confused.

    First the DOTL(Day of the Lord) was a literal 24 hours.

    Then the DOTL turned out to really be a year long, but it extended beyond the 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

    Then it turned out the DOTL was the second half of this DOTL (you know, the day portion of the DOTL)

    Then it turned out that there was a second DOTL.

    Now it’s raining DOTL’s.

    Ronald Weinland is clearly a liar, string people along as long as he can.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland babbled….

    First everybody was sealed.

    Then it turned out everbody was not sealed yet

    Then it turned out MOST were sealed…the rest would be sealed during DOTL.

    Then SOME OF THOSE were sort of sealed and sort of not sealed, because some would not be in first resurrection even though they were sealed.

    Then some number of NON-Pkgers would join PKG, and presumably be sealed.

    Nobody came, so not sure if they got sealed or not.

    Then Ron said that PKG are the ones that suffered 5 months of torment (that’s after waffling and saying it was the world, NON-Pkger and Demons)

    But this implied that NONE of PKG was sealed.

    Ron is a pretty confused guy, he’s a blind man walking around in circles.

  • martin says:

    Some more bamboozling from Ronald Weinland regarding the DOTL….

    I mentioned to an uppety PKG (it appeared he was in the upper ranks but I had no proof) that BEFORE the DOTL could begin we had this event:

    The Sun turning black at noon (Jerusalem time), and the Moon turning blood red.

    I do NOT know if this prompted the response from Ron, who put out a ridiculous sermon trying to excuse the timing of this event away.

    In his sermon he tried to explain how the Sun/Moon sign really did NOT occur BEFORE the DOTL but was somehow mysteriously occurring at some indeterminate during the DOTL *why this would be…who knows*. Since it was meant to announce the start of the DOTL, and certainly there were many scriptures that plainly said this.

  • Randy says:

    Ron is a very mentally ill man he is right he belongs God did his job, now they just need to get the crooked bitch ! 🙂

  • Randy says:

    Where he belongs

  • Elder-PKG says:

    To Ronnie the wannabe prophet. Does Daniel 5:26-28 mean anything to you? If should because it is now applied to you!

    1) MENE: God has now numbered the days of pkg.
    2) TEKEL: God has weight you in the balance and has found you wanting.
    3) PERES: God is now bringing pkg to its end.

    This is God’s execution of judgment upon you for using HIS NAME in vain and for all the pain and suffering you have inflicted on innocent members of pkg. You have robbed GOD and have brought ruin to families and destroyed marriage!!

    This execution of judgment in NOW upon you and you will lose all that you have gained from your victims. I pray that God will spare your life so you can experience the pain and suffering you have inflected on others!!!

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Ronnie, a good and dear friend of mine life may end because of all the FALSE hope you have put out there. He took chances with his health because of all of your FALSE predictions and the hope of Christ’s return on June 8th of this year. For the last two years he has put his health at risk because of YOU!!!

    You BASTARD!!! I will hold you accountable and responsible for his death, if it happens, to my dying day!!!! You are a CURSE to all who have been involved with you. Blood is on your hands if he dies and I pray God will bring swift judgment upon you for the pain and suffering you are responsible for!!!

  • martin says:

    Apparently PKGers enjoy the doctrinal vomit that comes out of Ronald Weinland mouth.

    This is the only way to describe the absolute mess of contradicting doctrines that are churned out and changed week after week and month after month.

    JUST BECAUSE RON SAID HE WAS ONE OF THE TWO WITNESSES DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.

    Where is the biblical proof? Do you people even bother to read your bibles? To find this out?

    Or does your eternal salvation not matter enough? You’re just going to take the guy’s word at it? (you know his words that are self contradicting)

    The bible commands you to prove all things, not to take a man’s word for it.

    But don’t bother….you’ll find out later, you’ll see the ditch, but it will be too late then.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Haverty, I do hope your friends health improves. I imagine many people put health and dental problems on hold waiting for things to happen.

  • bilbo says:

    I hope your friend heals. I know of several in pkg who postponed healthcare. I’m still confused how everyone came up with June 8, Ron hasn’t said it anywhere. Are members making up their own timelines now? Elders circulating stories that are not official church doctrine? Laura started it as gossip? Just genuinely curious, why would anyone be postponing healthcare now, with even Ron staying away from prophecy?

  • Plimsol says:

    Truth 45 had to be “updated”, because it contradicted Truth 50, which must have been a bit embarrassing.

    They can now move on to look at some of the other Truths, which God also seems to have got wrong (its almost as if they are not from God at all). I think the next one to look at would be Truth 49, which is:

    “The Seven Thunders have been revealed and will happen precisely as foretold”.

    My suggestion for the update is

    “The Seven Thunders have not been revealed and will not happen precisely as foretold, or indeed at all”.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Bilbo, Ron has said “Pentecost to Pentecost”, so people will do this every year now. Update all their supplies etc waiting for this to be the one.he has them living in limbo.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Bilbo,

    It is a “mindset” that ronnie the wannabe prophet has set in everyone minds. I know of members who are doing the same things as before, going into debt, putting off heath care, and etc.

    This mindset is very real!! Ronnie the wannabe prophet does not have to state it, it is implanted into their minds!! Until the members go, “wait a minute” there is something wrong here, this mindset will go on and on and on.

    Just recently I was discussing with a member about Christ NOT returning on June 8th and the response was, “I do not care what you are saying” and I will be ready when Christ returns on the 8th!!! My next question to them was, “well, what if” and the response was, “then I will go to the next pentecost”!! This is how deep this mindset is!!!

  • Acts says:

    Post, Still Pentecost to Pentecost May 19 2013
    God is not at this time giving me a specific year to announce, but He will. Yet for the Church, He wouldn’t even need to give that specific date now, as the Church will know well in advance when Christ is coming — to the “day” and to the “hour” because of truths God has revealed to the church.

    It does not Benefit anyone except Ron to know the day because he can keep stringing everyone along and collecting money.
    We should live like he is going to come 10 min from now.

    Ron thought The 6th. Seal was 911.

    Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Matthew 13:33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

    2peter3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Ron is a False prophet that Gives Signs and wonders .

    Pentecost to pentecost is a Sign and a wonder.

    Matthew24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

  • Acts says:

    Mark 13 above not Matthew.

  • Acts says:

    Ron gives MANY Signs and Wonders , but what is his fruit ?

    Jude 1:12These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

  • Acts says:

    (carried about of winds )

    Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive

  • Acts says:

    Ron may have had Fruit at one time but it has Withered and is without . He has gone astray , Twice dead plucked up by the roots .He was called dead , Christ gave life, he went against Christ . Dead again. (Twice dead) foaming out your own shame in all these posts and sermons. You have wandered far away REPENT!

  • Acts says:

    and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage. 17 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: 18 how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. 19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

    Ron is a Mocker , he is not genuine . He also causes Divisions , which is what He is so hard at work on right now.
    And he has always spoke great Swelling words, To gain Advantage.

  • Acts says:

    Ron look at all the Damage you have done. You have hurt so many with your lies and you do it all in God’s name.

    Ezekiel 13:22Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life: 23Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

  • Acts says:

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore you shall receive the greater condemnation

    1My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. 3Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. 4Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. 5Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of Death

    Ron , you have been Warned.

  • ozymandias says:

    There is certainly nothing wrong with looking forward to the return of Jesus Christ, but Ron has people living a half life, waiting. God gave us life to live to the fullest until his return! Ron has people actually living in fear of his return. This is NOT of God. A fearful church is an obedient church. Only Ron can show them the way. This is NOT what Christ died for. “I have set before thee an open door, and NO MAN can shut it; for you have a little strength.” Use what you still have and repent of worshipping men.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Idols can be made of more than stone.

  • Acts says:

    Ozy, did you attend the FOT near a lake in 2012 ?

  • Acts says:

    I did.

  • martin says:

    “There is certainly nothing wrong with looking forward to the return of Jesus Christ”

    Yes…

    Although if Christ is going to come on a Holy Day, it would certainly be on the Feast of Trumpets and not Pentecost.

    The problem this guy has, the one that’s waiting for Pentecost to Pentecost, is that he appears to be oblivious to fact that the Great Tribulation never happened.

    Ron said it came and gone, but Ron is a moron, never put your trust in a moron. Especially one that’s been wrong from here to Sunday.

  • Acts says:

    The only person that benefits from Pentecost to Pentecost is Ronald Eugene Weinland.

    This does not help any of God’s people. Christ said to always watch . Yes we are in the End , this should be more than obvious to people seeking God.

    Knowing the exact day and hour does not benefit , it just causes all the bad examples that have happened these last few years.

  • Barry says:

    PKG–READ YOUR OWN MATERIAL AND STOP BEING AFRAID TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. Re-writing a truth means it was not true then but you have for years bound yourselves to it. Look at a few that have not been edited yet.

    Truth 39; “HWA was a “type of Elijah” as he restored all truth essential to salvation during the Philadelphia era” Truth 38 states that what the “Philadelphia era (it was under HWA) taught is FALSE IN REFERENCE TO THE 144,000”. if IT IS FALSE, THEN HOW CAN HWA HAVE RESTORED ALL TRUTH as stated in 39? Truth 38 states the 144,000 is the innumerable multitude (same group). Read PKG’s truths and then READ IT in your Bibles. If innumerable then a specific number would not be given and John would not have said “and then I saw…” mentioning a very different group. John would have said what he saw, the 144,000. People look it up in the Greek. innumerable means innumerable and 144,000 means 144,000.

    YOUR TRUTHS CONTRADICT THEMSELVES AND YOU ARE BOUND TO FOLLOW OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED? leave now! Guess what; TRUTH IS THE SAME TODAY AS IT WAS YESTERDAY. TRUTH DOES NOT CHANGE — EVER! Truth 44 states the US and Brittan are in captivity during the fifth trumpet of the 7th seal. ARE WE? it goes on to say, “NOT DURING THE FIFTH SEAL AS TAUGHT IN WWCG.” Doesn’t this make truth 39 wrong again? HWA did not restore all truth. TRUTH 39 WOULD THEN BE A LIE!

    Truth does not change. The term ‘present truth’ is a delusional statement that makes no sense. WAKE UP. Just re-read your own material. You are in a cult and have given your minds over to a reprobate spirit in Ron Weinland!

  • Acts says:

    Martin , what if the Tribulation has been going on for years ? and that is why there is so many groups and so much confusion and so many false prophets? the church for a long time has viewed the great tribulation as physical events , but what think about the warning Christ gave

    Matthew 24
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    25 Behold, I have told you before.

  • Acts says:

    Look at what he says , No flesh would be saved WHY because of deception! The elect would not even be saved because of False prophets . But for the Elects sake the days are shortened. Look what he says next , 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

  • Acts says:

    14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

    15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

    The church no longer is one physical organization. But it still exists . Christ will gather those that are his at his Return.

    20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

    21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

  • Acts says:

    7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

  • Acts says:

    The Time is Now! When the day of the lord comes it will be too late. Zephaniah 2:2
    Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff,
    before the fierce anger of the Lord come upon you,
    before the day of the Lord’s anger come upon you.

    Zephaniah 2:3
    Seek ye the Lord, all ye meek of the earth,
    which have wrought his judgment;
    seek righteousness, seek meekness:
    it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the Lord’s anger.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts, I was in Cinci

  • martin says:

    “Martin , what if the Tribulation has been going on for years ?”

    Numerous bible passages describe the end time as lasting….1260 days, 42 months, Times and Time and 1/2 (3 1/2 years) ..

    To be technical, there are 2 time periods, The Tribulation and TDOTL….
    The tribulation lasts 2 1/2 years and TDOTL lasts 1 year, for a total of 3 1/2 years. But (I think) it’s ok to call the whole 3 1/2 years the Great Tribulation.

    The point is this…it lasts 3 1/2 years.
    The second point, is that it is the worst time in history….at the OUTSET, that is before it even begins, you have 1/4 dying from the 4 Horsemen.
    During it you have what….at LEAST another 1/3 dying from warfare.

    So, we have not seen this yet, so it can’t have started….(we also haven’t seen The False Prophet calling down fire etc…nor TTW’s)

  • martin says:

    Re the false prophets prophecy you quote….

    Yes..of course, this is going on NOW, but it will also overlap into the Great Tribulation.

  • Acts says:

    Martin, there is no doubt that a physical destruction will come. But to have it all figured out with this happening and that happening is to do exactly what Ron did.

    2peter3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed

  • Acts says:

    I believe where he says “for the Elects sake the time will be shortened ” is because of spiritual reasons not physical .

  • Elder-pkg says:

    I have yet to understand the end game of the wannabe prophet. I do understand that “cash” has a lot to do with it. But it is a very difficult matter to continue an outright lie. How long can you cry the sky is falling, the sky is falling!? It amazes me that the wannabe has gotten away with it this long.

    I agree with Martin about the 31/2 years and this wannabe decides he can change everything!? How do you do this!? Revelation is very clear when someone does this, change the prophesy, they will suffer all that is contained in Rev 22:19 which is DEATH!!! would a true prophet do this??

  • Acts says:

    if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Not possible , God shortens the Time.

  • Acts says:

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

  • Acts says:

    Ozy , Ok you were near a River then 🙂

  • martin says:

    The start of the Tribulation will involve an idol being set up in Jerusalem, when that is set up, 30 days later the Tribulation starts.

    There are like 5 general mile markers….to help determine where we all are in time in regards to prophecy.

    1) an event occurs at the start 1335 days of daniel (which culminates in a resurrection..ie the return of Christ)
    2) at 1290 an idol is set up the sacrifices are halted by force, armies surround Jerusalem
    3) at 1260 the Great Tribulation begins (WW III)
    4) Sun / Moon sign occurs at latter end of 3 1/2 years (#3), in other words this “announces” start of final year.
    5) Christ returns.

    Of course Ronald Weinland mangled prophecy in general so that any understanding in impossible. And of course the multiple failures from Ron or anything remotely prophetic didn’t help.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    I agree. There are definite physical events that have to take place. The foolish spiritualism of the wannabe prophet is pure unadulterated swill (liquid garbage)!!!

  • Acts says:

    I know these numbers are in the bible 1335 , 1290 , 1260 , but I have yet to see a scripture where the word Tribulation is next to those numbers. As you know I was part of PKG so I know Ron’s take on these #s very well. Ron came out of a mold with those numbers , something he was taught and he THOUGHT he had it all Figured out. He has done a great job leading people astray with all those numbers too. And on and on it goes.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    The wannabe prophet’s numbers are no longer valid due to his failed prophesies.

  • Acts says:

    Ron went Astray a long time ago and that’s why it is so hard for him to repent. The one thing that comes to mind first is his take On Joseph W Tkach.

    It may be a surprise to him to find out that the very thing he thought he Saw that made him a prophet , actually turned him into a false Prophet.

    There is a parallel between Matthew 24:24 and 2 thessalonians 2:9 about all False prophets who come out of the church. Not just one man!

    1John 4:1

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Out from the Church to the world . Twice dead!

  • martin says:

    The numbers….

    (1335)
    Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
    This is bounded on back end by resurrection (v. 13) ie return of Christ

    (1290)
    Bounded on front end by setting up of idol by False Prophet
    Bounded on back end by return of Christ

    (1260)
    Bounded on front end by Tribulation
    Bounded on back end by return of Christ

  • martin says:

    Mat_24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    Mat_24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mar_13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

    NOTE:

    AFTER the Tribulation…IMMEDIATELY AFTER (as I said, technically there are 2 time periods).
    The Sun/Moon sign occurs….

    Well AFTER the one year of TDOTL….is the Second Coming.

    So the TDOTL lasts and occurs for one year, which starts with the Sun/Moon sign.
    And BEFORE THAT are the 2 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

    In other words The Tribulation/DOTL ALL HAPPEN at the last 3 1/2 years of mankind before the Second Coming…

    Which also ALIGNS with the numbers 1335,1290,1260, because THEY TOO all end at the Second Coming.

    Conclusion: they are one and the same.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Sorry, Was in Ky. Really near a river

  • Acts says:

    Ozy , do you live close to Canada?

  • Ozymandias says:

    Yes, and near a river☺️

  • Acts says:

    This River , it’s a dangerous one Right?

  • Ozymandias says:

    Depends

  • Acts says:

    Are there 4 people in your household ?

  • Ozymandias says:

    No,just 2

  • Acts says:

    How long in PKG?

  • Ozymandias says:

    19 years

  • Acts says:

    PKG is 19 years old?

  • Barry says:

    Acts, as far as time frames involving the 1335,1290, 1260 days it would take a while to explain but the 1260 is the tribulation and it will not be cut short. Go back and read Daniel.

    A few better translations state that had the time not been determined to be short, no flesh would survive. To shorten the 1260 days would make the true Prophets of John (quoting Christ revelation to him) and Daniel totally wrong. Weinland has now added years and your premise would be shortening it.

    1260 will be exactly 1260 but God determined that long ago and Daniel prophesied it and Christ confirmed it.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Well, I have been with Ron that long. Even before PKG.

  • martin says:

    1335,1290, 1260 all end with the one and same event : the Second Coming of Christ.

    while 1335 and 1290 have events, the 1260 mile marker is the start of the Great Tribulation.

    If you read through Daniel, Mathew and Revelation, these numbers/dates/times are tied directly to the Great Tribulation, that is they are one in the same.
    (that is the 1260 days = Great Tribulation)

    On what basis would this not be true? You want the Great Tribulation to be a year or two or three BEFORE the 1260 days????

    Within the 1260 days…..about 9/10 of humanity will die…….

    How can there be this Tribulation occurring at some indeterminate time before the 1260 days?

    It makes no sense, what makes sense is that the Tribulation = 1260 Days, they are one and the same.

  • Acts says:

    Barry, Not trying to shorten those numbers. But with regards to what Christ said in Matthew 24 , when he spoke of Tribulation he said
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    I believe this Tribulation to be a time when the Church is Scattered and there are also many False prophets. I believe if this time was not cut short ” No Flesh would be saved . The reason why is because when the real physical destruction comes from the Almighty the World is Destroyed , I don’t mean completely but I do not believe millions will be living on into the millenium like Ron Weinland says. Did millions get on the Ark ? No . And Noah was the only righteous one on the ark. His wife and kids and their wives were saved to repopulate The earth.
    Isaiah 13:12 I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold And mankind than the gold of Ophir.

    Ezekiel 13:22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

    Those numbers can stay the way they are. But to me the Tribulation being spoken of is longer. And if the time was not shortened the Truth would not last . Not one person would be saved .

  • martin says:

    Ozymandias says:
    “Well, I have been with Ron that long. Even before PKG.”

    When Ron came up with the anti-Christ doctrine that Christ did not eternally pre-exist, how on earth did you stay with Ron????????

    I would have spat on his face for such a heresy.

  • Acts says:

    Ozy , is it the Niagra river we are talking here?

  • martin says:

    “22 And except those days should be shortened,”

    They are shortened, they are shortened to 1260 days.

  • martin says:

    Just for clarity…let me get this straight.

    Acts…you’re saying that the Great Tribulation will occur BEFORE the 1260 days prophecy??? They are two events????

  • Acts says:

    I am saying the Tribulation encompasses it all .

    All the numbers and everything .
    I understand where you guys are coming from because the Tribulation was always taught as being in a certain time period . 1260 .

    But like I said the word Tribulation is separate from all those numbers you speak of. I believe what the Bible says in Revelation I also believe what it says in Daniel. I believe the whole thing . It’s when the teachings of Man come in that i can’t abide.

    Matthew 24 does not mention any numbers but encompasses the whole thing.

  • Acts says:

    Some people have taken the word Tribulation in Matthew and put a big fat stamp on it that says 1260. Ron Weinland is included in this, and we see how this worked out. The time now is more dangerous than when the physical things start. At that point it will be too late.

  • Acts says:

    Ozy , did you grow up Catholic ?

  • martin says:

    While it is certainly true that there will be tribulation BEFORE the Great Tribulation (and all Christians have had to endure tribulation in one form or another for thousands of years). The “Great Tribulation” time frame (IMO) would appear to be in itself 1260 days.

    Here are the verses….
    Mat 24:15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand).
    Mat 24:16 Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains.
    Mat 24:17 Let him on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house;
    Mat 24:18 nor let him in the field turn back to take his clothes.
    Mat 24:19 And woe to those who are with child, and to those who give suck in those days!
    Mat 24:20 But pray that your flight is not in the winter, nor on the sabbath day;
    Mat 24:21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world to this time; no, nor ever shall be.

    We know verse 15 occurs at the 1290 marks as Daniel explicitly says so.
    And of course at the end of 1290 days Christ returns.
    NOTE : for *THEN* (AT THAT TIME, SHORTLY AFTER THE TIME THAT THE IDOL IS SET UP)…then the Great Tribulation starts.

    So after the flight (verse 20)…..after that, the Great Tribulation starts.
    So we have
    [Abomination(jewish term for an idol) is set up] [Flight to Petra] [Great Tribulation] [Second Coming]

    The Great Tribulation is bound at the start by Abomination and at the end by the Second Coming, it is between those two.
    So it is between day 1335 and day 0;

  • Acts says:

    That’s where we differ , I believe the abomination of desolation is what Joseph Tkach and others did to the church. It fell apart and is all split up now till this day.

    This is different than Ron in the fact that he calls Joseph Tkach the Man Of Sin. He is a man of sin but I also believe Ron to be. And all other people who have came out of world wide church of God , and have given themselves titles of Apostle and prophets and every other name in the bible.

    1john3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

  • Acts says:

    15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked

    When did this Spirit set in ? Only God Knows.

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Gentlemen,

    There are still some things we can only guess about. But, there are things we do know about, such as. the tribulation. Maybe the “true” witnesses will reveal the truth about the numbers.

  • Barry Richey says:

    Acts. How do you know that Ron himself is not the man of sin? not saying he is but he is dead wrong on everything so don’t buy any of it.

  • Acts says:

    Barry I believe he is A man of Sin.

  • martin says:

    The man of sin actually performs miracles….

    In addition to failing on every prophetic count, he has also performed no miracles.

  • Acts says:

    2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    The man of Sin is Revealed the Son of Perdition.
    John 17:12
    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    Luke22:3Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

    Revelation 17:11 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition

    The son of Perdition is Satan the Devil. He entered Judas and he became the first person to be AntiChrist.

    In 2 Thessalonians I do Not believe this to be about ONE person, but Many.

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    Even him or even anyone whose coming is after the working of Satan ……….

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in THEM that perish; because THEY received not the love of the truth, that THEY might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send THEM strong delusion, that THEY should believe a lie:

    Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    12 That THEY all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  • Leftatlast says:

    A blog post caught my eye tonight, and it hit a nerve with an anvil.. reminding me of Weinland. There’s speculation that the absence of a post is because he’s trying to scramble with what to come up with next. But there’s a warning that’s been niggling, trying to make itself heard over the duties and activities that fill my day. There’s an ominous feeling that not only does he know..he’s just figuring out how to spin it. And like the other atrocities he has committed against the brethren for love of money and his greed, the resultant human carnage and suffering will be horrific.

    The blog expressed it.

    The short video hit the nail on the head. The quote is from the blog. Words in parentheses are mine.

    “A scientist who warned of the assertion of dogma that closes the mind, and turns a nation, a civilization, (a church body?) into a regiment of ghosts- obedient ghosts or tortured ghosts.”

    I shared the links for those who may be interested, and wonder what y’all think.

    Take good care. 😀

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/the-dangers-of-certainty/

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Umbn6ZBuE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dp5Umbn6ZBuE

  • Mantayo says:

    martin says:

    February 2, 2014 at 11:29
    . . . .

    The Sun turning black at noon (Jerusalem time), and the Moon turning blood red.

    How can the moon appear blood red if the sun is black, at noon or any other time?

  • Ozymandias says:

    More midwest, and no, not catholic. Why do you ask?

  • Barry says:

    Mantayo,

    An eclipse of the sun allowing the moon to appear red in color. Google blood moon eclipse; http://earthsky.org/space/what-is-a-blood-moon-lunar-eclipses-2014-2015

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ozy, Acts: If either of you’d like to contact the other directly, send me an email asking me to forward your email to the other. But it will be up to the other person as to whether to respond as I don’t share email addresses without expressed permission.

  • Mantayo says:

    Thanks Barry, but the problem remains.

    As the article you cited makes clear, the name Blood Moon is another name for Hunter’s Moon and doesn’t involve an eclipse. Indeed a Blood Moon is a normal full moon viewed at a particular time and place – and, as always, to see the moon at all the sun needs to be shining, not “black”.

    John Hagee (wouldn’t you know) seems to have appropriated the name and applied it in one of his silly books to a series of lunar eclipses in 2014 – 2015. The authors point out that “It is somewhat ironic that three of these four lunar eclipses are not visible – even in part – from Israel. The only eclipse that can be seen at all from Israel is the tail end of the September 28, 2015 eclipse, which may be observable for a short while before sunrise.”

    The authors of the site you referred to seem puzzled by Hagee’s use of the term and point out that:
    “The sun will be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood before the great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

    That description, by the way, describes both a total solar eclipse and total lunar eclipse. Sun turned to darkness = moon directly between the Earth and sun in a total solar eclipse. Moon turned to blood = Earth directly between the sun and moon, Earth’s shadow falling on the moon in a total lunar eclipse.”

    At a lunar eclipse the sun is not darkened at all although the moon may appear red. At a solar eclipse the moon doesn’t appear to turn blood red although the sun may go black – but only for a few minutes, and only along a narrow band of geographic locations, and only during a total solar eclipse.

  • Acts says:

    Mike , Thank you for that option.

    Ozy, was curious , Terry W came to mind for a quick sec, I know he grew up Catholic.
    I respect everyone’s privacy. Sorry if I got a little carried away with the questions 🙂
    I would never start guessing names or anything like that.)

    Mike , you have helped a lot of people with all you do here . It’s been a healing process and there are many
    More people I love and care about still stuck following a man , A man who is not Genuine.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    LeftatLast,

    You absolutly right!! the wannabe prophet stated that his next post would set guidelines for the membership in relation to the outcasts (disfellowshipped) of pkg. This is very dangerous ground to approach!! This will be an attempted to fully control the members behavior towards each other including family members. THIS CAN SPELL “CULT” QUICKLY!!! It can backfire and lead to a mass exodus from pkg. The wannabe prophet knows this, but, the wannabe has to stop the defections that are taking place.

  • Ozymandias says:

    If acts would like my email, that’s fine with me.

  • martin says:

    I don’t remember if this was covered, but does Ronald convicted tax thief Weinland “disfellowship” people outside of PKG?

    Or does this only apply to people who have quit PKG?

  • martin says:

    re the Sun/Moon sign

    This is a miraculous event. This is not some normal solar or lunar eclipse, nobody would pay attention to that.

    After 2 1/2 years into Tribulation this sign will appear in the heavens to mark the start of the Day of the Lord. (which is a year long).
    The sun will turn black and the moon to blood red at the same time.

    A similar event happened during the crucifixion. Where there was an abnormal darkness for 3 hours. There is extra-biblical mention of this incident for those that are interested.

  • Barry says:

    Mantayo,

    I hate to have anyone view something with Hagee’s name on it but none the less it points to the term somewhat widely accepted as a blood moon. The interesting thing if you read far enough, is the astronomy term tetrad, where 4 lunar eclipses occur exactly 6 lunar months apart and they coincide with the 2014/15 festivals. Is it significant? We will see.

    I was attempting to share the fact that the term Blood Moon is and has been used. You can also go to NASA’s web site to confirm the dates of the Tetrad falling on the Holy days…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron the Con is not the only one who takes natural signs and turns them into lying wonders.

  • martin says:

    “I was attempting to share the fact that the term Blood Moon is and has been used”

    This may or may not have any prophetic significance. While I do think it is an interesting factoid, it does not appear to be the Sun/Moon sign itself.
    (plus the Tribulation hasn’t even started yet, this event happens after the 2 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation)

    Mat_24:29 And *immediately after* the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Martin it only applies to members of pkg. But the wannabe prophet may attempt to disfellowship the real witnesses when they appear on the world stage.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    For others, Ron makes death curses. Such as on myself and anyone else who mocks him. Or on certain competition. Seven years ago, Ron gave a sermon describing how he’d sent letters to those described in his book. All of them are still alive as far as I know, such as Meredith who is in his 80’s.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Mike they are still alive and doing well. Dr. Meredith’s wife did pass away, I believe, last November.

  • Randy says:

    Wow Jim commented that COG-PKG website was up for sell, the bitch spend all your money and gossiped about you , I bet there’s still money for Laura and Audria, and the bitch is suppose to be a Prophet, hahahahaha !! Open your eyes and let the bitch go broke ! 🙂

  • Leftatlast says:

    Thought to share the big news with you all since you know my story. It only took 5 weeks of searching after finishing college, – I have a job; was hired today! Life is sooo good, especially since Weinland won’t be getting ANY of my income!! 😀

  • martin says:

    Congrats…..

    What job did you get?

  • Randy says:

    Hell yeah great job leftatlast so proud of u thanks for sharing buddy we or I hope you the best my friend !!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Congratulations to you LeftAtLast, for escaping from Ron and putting your life back together.

    For those not familiar with her story, she relates it in this introduction comment:http://ronaldweinland.info/falseprophet/2013/03/18/a-new-year-for-the-den-of-thieves/comment-page-1/#comment-326797

  • Randy says:

    🙂

  • bilbo says:

    🙂

    You have been blessed with fruit of your hard work and perseverance. Congrats!!

  • Mantayo says:

    Thanks Barry. I read the article all the way to the end (including the readers’ comments!). The authors note that “However, if we want to know which tetrads specifically fell on the Jewish feasts of Passover and Tabernacles, there appear to be a total of 8 in these 21 centuries:

    1. 162-163 C.E. (Common Era)
    2. 795-796 C.E.
    3. 842-843 C.E.
    4. 860-861 C.E.
    5. 1493-1494 C.E.
    6. 1949-1950 C.E.
    7. 1967-1968 C.E.
    8. 2014-2015 C.E. ”

    None of these was of any biblical significance that I am aware of. As to the upcoming one, as you said “Is it significant? We will see.”

    “I was attempting to share the fact that the term Blood Moon is and has been used”. This is true, but to quote the astronomy site one last time “Either way, I suspect the nouveau definition of Blood Moon will gain traction as we approach the tetrad, the four total lunar eclipses of 2014 and 2015.
    . . .
    Astronomers will not be using the term Blood Moon to describe these four upcoming lunar eclipses.” The word ‘not’ is italicized for emphasis.

    Martin said “This is a miraculous event.”

    That is the interpretation I was expecting to see offered.

    “There is extra-biblical mention of this incident [i.e. the Crucifixion Darkness] for those that are interested.” That evidence is extremely weak and of very dubious worth.

    “Mat_24:29 And *immediately after* the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.” This is becoming increasingly murky (pun intended). If the sun is dark, and the moon is not giving its light, how then is it to appear blood red? We know the literal stars are not going to fall from the heavens (where would they fall to?), so perhaps the sun and moon signs are likewise to be understood as imagery of some type.

    This is all tangential to the Weinland debacle, and probably it isn’t fruitful to pursue it further.

  • martin says:

    ” the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light”

    I’ve debated this, maybe an expert in the greek can shade some “light”

    That is, who is “her”? is it the sun or the moon?

    ” the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her(the SUN’S) light”

    The moon of course, gives off the sun’s light, it is not self luminating, so this would address your point.
    In either case, if you take “her” to mean the moon, the moon will not give off it’s normal light, but will instead be blood red.

  • martin says:

    All the bible verse I see say something like this…

    the sun will be darkened and the moon will be darkened

    the sun will be darkened and the moon will be blood red

    dark blood red is darker than the normal moon light, thus the moon is darkened and not give it’s light (it being the sun or itself)

  • martin says:

    Notice how the prophet Joel describes this prophecy

    Joe_2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
    Joe_2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
    Joe_3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

    So Joel himself goes back and forth between “dark”, “darkened” and “blood”

    So it simply means a “darkened blood red” moon. It is not bright red like a traffic light.

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Congratulation LeftAtLast!!!!

  • Elder-PKG says:

    Randy tell me more about the website being up for sale. I have not heard anything yet.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That would be the .com version. And only the name, you’d have to set up a hosting account and create content.

    The poorly updated and filled with Ron’s nonsense .org domain still continues.

  • Elder-PKG says:

    OK – Got It

  • Overit says:

    Congrats Leftatlast……you deserve it!!!

  • Excogger says:

    Congratulations, LeftAtLast, and all the best for the future, free of RW and his ilk. You are an inspiration to all of us here who wish you well.

  • Ronco says:

    Good for you, Leftatlast!

  • Debbie says:

    Congrats, LeftAtLast – all the best to you – thank you for sharing your horrid experiences with Ronnie the Abuser and your victories post-PKG – more proof of successful, happy & healthy living after PKG

  • Elder-pkg says:

    LeftataLast,

    I just read your story and it is tragic to say the least. I have to agree that ronnie the wannabe prophet is a total disgrace!!!! I applaud you for escaping two abusers, husband and ronnie, you took your life back and now are doing well.

    Ronnie the wannabe is a slimy maggot and I will applaud the day when absolute RUIN engulfs him. I believe in “you reap what you sow” and the harvest for ronnie will be bitter and deadly to say the least.

    Good Luck to you and keep on living your own life!!

  • Ozymandias says:

    Elder , how can you stay? Or have you left? You sound like you’re gonna blow!

  • Acts says:

    Ozy, are you in touch with Ralph?

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Ozy,

    Yes, I have contacted Ralph and we had a great conversation and we agree on the wannabe!! It is getting very very difficult for me to be even associated with pkg. In reality I have already left pkg, but, I am working on liberating at least seven of the remaining group from ronnie the wannabe. I will tell you that I am gaining ground with them little by little. That is my goal, but, I can not stand being associated with ronnie the wannabe!!

    If the effort of liberation begins to falter, I will be GONE GONE in a new york minute!!!

  • ozymandias says:

    Hav, isn’t Ralph a great guy? I like him very much. I have wondered how you do it! I knew it was only a matter of time before I said something and got kicked out. I wish I had a few people in my area that could see what is happening. I hope for the best for you and your friends. If they haven’t turned you in to the SS you may be on the right track with them. Yes, I have been in touch with Ralph and a few others. It was so wonderful to talk to people of a like mind. Still keeping the Sabbath and Holy days etc. I hope to one day soon have a few more people to email. Nothing nicer than hearing from brethren.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Ozy,

    I would have to agree with you. Just recently, when I was writing about the mindset of penetcost to pentecost, I am hearing from others who are frustrated and are having financial difficulties that are now waiting and hoping on june 8th. It sadden my heart that they hang onto this mindset. I have already stated to some that Christ is NOT returning on june 8th and I try to tell them to get their affairs in order and get on with life!! But that dammed mindset is in play!!!

    This mindset is a poison to them and ronnie the wannabe just feeds right into it. The good news is that he can not maintain this delusion much longer. I firmly believe that june 8th will BE a day of reckoning for the wannabe prophet. You can only fool the people for so long and that is it. I pray everyday that God will bring this destructive cult to its END!!!!

  • Acts says:

    Elder-pkg, I hope you could get through to them . It is hard , no one wants to think they have been following false prophets . People in pkg dont think R&L are capable of such a thing, but it is a matter of delusion ! And R&L believe a lie, and those two could never admit they are wrong (PRIDE) That will be their downfall . Ron has already started to reap his fruit .

  • Acts says:

    Is it younger or older brethren that are holding on to June 8?

  • Acts says:

    This is what Ron has set up for people , year after year now . It only benefits him! thats it. look at all the harm it caused over the years to have a exact date. There is no need for an exact date for the return Of Jesus Christ. This is a Sign and a Wonder from a False Prophet.

  • Ozymandias says:

    In my area , all older. They have been at it far longer and fear and pride have a firm foothold.

  • Ozymandias says:

    His life started to fall apart right after he wrote the second book. A clue?

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Acts,

    The under thirty are waking up and rethinking this mess. They understand that they must move on with life and are questioning the delay. The over fifty are hopeless!!! But, give the over fifty some time and they may start to realize that all is not well in ronnieworld.

  • ozymandias says:

    Think of it as debt. 5000 is a lot easier to pay off than 50000. The less you owe, the better off you are. Easier to recover when you’re young. Yes, given some time…all things are possible.

  • Acts says:

    The waiting game is a very hard mindset to break. first it was Three and a half years , then one more year , now Pentecost to Pentecost. The entire time, signs and Wonders.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ozy said “His life started to fall apart right after he wrote the second book. A clue?”

    Not sure how it fell apart before the IRS Special Agent knocked on his door in July of 2008.

    But the seeds of his destruction sown earlier. First tax year he was convicted on was 2004. In 2005 he bought his house on the golf course, had a heart attack, and proclaimed he is one of the two witnesses. In 2007 he bought 3 BMWs, and more.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts, this is because they trust Ron more than God.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Mike, the seeds were sown earlier. Ron’s total arrogance needed to come to fruition. He is agenda driven and all things take time. He didn’t plan on Uncle Sam however. God works in mysterious ways.

  • Acts says:

    Woe to them. Ron does not follow Christ.

  • Acts says:

    Does Ron still claim his book 2008GFW is True?

  • Acts says:

    He did mention proofs in that book that would show if he was a prophet or not.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I don’t know how.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Yes , those proofs are what help you out of his group.

  • Acts says:

    just wondering about the spin he is putting on that lately? I’m sure he does not want anyone to think about that book.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Can’t edit that like his”truths”.

  • Acts says:

    He would go on and on about , (The way it was written) comparing it to the bible LOL ! and try to weasel his way out of things he said.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Revisionist history.

  • Ozymandias says:

    What I really meant was…you’re not getting it because your mind is wrong.

  • Acts says:

    just like two weeks b4 may27,all of a sudden the witnesses dont die after all. What a Revelation!

  • Acts says:

    They get to still drive their BMWs around and go to the Mall.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    Ozy,

    Your assessment is correct!! ronnie’s written heresies are a witness against him! By the way, the heresies are not mentioned at all.

  • Acts says:

    Oh yes, and Fellowship with everyone around the world.

  • Acts says:

    Because they are such a wonderful Example .

  • Acts says:

    Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
    Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king’s horses and all the king’s men
    Couldn’t put Humpty together again.

  • Acts says:

    Ron , The wall is about to Fall right on Top of you.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Hav, he really has been a witness at least to us. Not one thing he prophesied has ever come true. I love his final statement in his book about, if this book is not true and I am not who I say I am , it will be revealed shortly etc. What a prophesy that was, what a witness! He is his own worst enemy.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Acts, Amos talks about “humpty dumpty” when it tells of the houses(churches) that The Lord destroys. How apropos.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Corinthians says that The Lord will destroy any who would harm his temple of which we are.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    The wannabe prophet days HAVE been number!!! ronnie be prepared to face YOUR EXECUTION OF JUDGMENT FROM GOD – FINALLY!!!!!

  • Acts says:

    At the absolute Height of Ron’s Pride a knock came at the door.

    Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

  • Acts says:

    Thats the Witness .

  • Ozymandias says:

    God will NOT be mocked.

  • Elder-pkg says:

    I keep thinking about the next post, will it be the guidelines or will it be a new and potent dose of hopium! The wannabe is in a tough spot right now. It appears the circumstances have him in a very difficult position. I personally believe that he will not do the guideline for disfellowshipment, because, if that backfires he is done. It the return does not happen on the june 8th, it will require an explanation from the wannabe. This also can backfire on him. I am sure you will hear about the “red sea moment”, well, the wannabe prophet won’t make it to the other side. The only moment left for the wannabe is to admit that HE and his Wife are not what they proclaim they are. It is either that or face the curse that await them.

  • Acts says:

    Ron = Pharaoh and he does not want to let the people go

  • Acts says:

    They feed themselves off the people.

  • Ozymandias says:

    I waited a long time for Ron to admit to a few things.He is one stubborn guy. I find it hard to believe at this point , that he will ever admit to anything. As far as a new proclamation , his Pentecost to Pentecost could last for a while. It’s not like he’s giving an exact date this time. Every year they will prepare again . New food, new water etc. Just waiting around for God to return and not learning or really studying anything.He will return, but in his own time.I feel we are free to live the life he so graciously gave us. Get married, have children, go to school or whatever good things you want to do. We know enough to make time for God. That’s why he gave us the Sabbath.Sad that so many people stopped really living. People are going to be angry with themselves when they wake up. Probably why they stay asleep. Ron’s fellowship of fear.

  • Acts says:

    People are going to be absolutely Furious ! They have entrusted their Life to Ron Weinland . Put your trust in God.

  • Ozymandias says:

    God almighty will never leave or forsake us, Ron tells you to get out if you’re not happy. No feelings whatsoever. Just get out.

  • Acts says:

    Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. 2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD. 3And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. 4And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.

  • Ozymandias says:

    He certainly has driven people away. But only away from him, not God.We all have “talents” that Hod had given us The master wants a return on what he gives.You can’t do that by sitting around doing nothing. The ministry that had “preyed” on the flock like wolves will have much to answer for. We all trusted him as a shepherd.

  • Ozymandias says:

    Sorry, God. Typing on my phone with auto correct. More proof reading!

  • Randy says:

    Wonder if Ann W will show up March 8th she did not show up in Texas !!! They said she was sick like her Husband , Ron and Laura are the only ones sick, mental sick you, all

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ann is scheduled to show up with Laura and Audra in Forsyth, GA on March 8. Johnny’s home turf, wonder why they need to show the flag there.

  • Janet says:

    I was wondering if any of you that have left pkg got their offering statement for Taxes. I thought that they were supposed to be sent out by Jan. 31. I did not receive any and was wondering if we were being left out and if so was going to report them to the IRS. I can’t file my taxes until I get one.

  • Janet says:

    New post is out by the way

  • Randy says:

    What gets my goat, I would here Laura telling mom what other churches and minister are doing and I would tell mom don’t talk about the bad of others talk about the good you are doing but the asshole did no good to talk about, and on the other hand don’t let no body talk about the almighty Ron but it ok for Laura and Ron to talk about the Catholic Church and other WWC members , don’t figure