What’s A Head?

Johnny Harrell and company continued to fill in for the imprisoned False Prophet Ronald Weinland on a trip to Virginia to see Dave Conley and company.  Perhaps Ronnie doesn’t have air conditioning in Club Fed, because he issued a fatwah allowing men to skip the suit and tie in hot weather.

I thought Johnny’s sermon title was apropo and adopted it as a title for this post. Johnny reminded PKG members not to use their own intellect.   Spiritual war is being waged against PKG, and some have given up and fallen recently.  But Satan’s attacks have make PKG stronger.  Storm clouds on the horizon with some embassies being closed (or maybe not) and trumpet blasts being prepared.
The Weinlands’ involvement in the legal system continues.  A hearing is scheduled in the case of the marriage of Audra and Chris which started 5 years ago and then was restarted when Ron’s lie about the location of the ceremony on on the marriage certificate was exposed.

13-CI-01172   LITTLE, AUDRA LYNN VS. LITTLE, CHRISTOPHER DOUGLAS
BOONE           Scheduled Events: DOMESTIC, 8/27/2013 02:40 PM, 3B

Although Ron is in prison while Laura remains free to roam the planet, that won’t necessarily continue — she’s not out of the woods yet. Judge Reeves did not give Ron a sentence enhancement for leading a criminal enterprise because he considered Laura to be an equal conspirator.  According to trial transcripts, the majority of the evaded income was in 2007 and 2008 when the Weinlands bought 3 BMWs shipping 2 of them in opposite directions across the Altlantic.  The statute of limitations is 6 years.  The clock on that doesn’t begin ticking until the filing due date, and stops ticking whenever the accused is out of the jurisdiction.  So the feds have until after April of next year to bring an indictment against Laura for 2007.

And then there are the years after 2008 to consider.  I rather suspect that the Weinlands didn’t change their behavior adequately even though they knew they were under criminal investigation.  I wonder if they declared the legal fees for Ron’s defense on their income tax.  Tick, tock.

According to rumors, PKG suffered another blow recently with the departure of Greg Chipps.  Greg was the PKG IT department, and developed and supported the Elder Management Console which reportedly has been shut down because no one else knows how to run it.  Greg was also the inspiration behind Ron’s Google Ad campaign which contributed to his downfall when the bank reported to the IRS large sums of money flowing through bank accounts of the church and Ron’s own personal accounts.  Update: other sources indicate that Greg has not indeed left PKG and is still drinking down the Flavor Aid.  If this version is true, then hopefully not for much longer.

82 Comments

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    OK,

    OPEN MESSAGE TO THE GOD OF ABRAHAM:

    NOW is your chance to make a REAL contribution to the world and impress the heck out of atheists…send Laura to jail and I will reconsider your existence.

    Now that would be “awesomely powerful”…

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Looks as if things are falling apart for the Swinelands. GOOD! Three more years in the pokey and several more heavy tithers dropping out. Ron may not even have a home on the Triple Crown Country Club Golf course to return home to. That would be wonderful!

    We need to get this viral on You Tube! You know, just warning people about a con-artist Ron and his money grubbing bag of tricks. What a schister! (shy’-ster). Sneaky lying scumbag. I hope Laura lands in Club Fed also. They are ALL GUILTY. They operate together and know exactly what they are doing.

    No doubt in my mind nor the rest of the court room. Except the few lost followers trying to explain how a deep tissue massage on a cruise ship was a “church related expense.” Hilarious!!!!

    PKG people, if you want to attend church go find one that has a front door. You know, like a real church unlike Ron’s voodoo make believe internet cult. Ron did purchase some fine furnishings and expensive art work for his home………oooops! I meant Ron’s “church.” FOOLS!!!!

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Laura might have slipped by on the “innocent spouse rule” pertaining to Ron’s conviction. However, she has now continued to do business as usual and hopefully the cross hairs are on her. She could get by as long as she declares a huge income and pays a bunch of tax burden to the IRS.

    Here is the problem: 1. Very large legal expenses from Ron’s 15 minutes of fame. (more like 8 days in the federal court room) 2. Dwindling tithes. 3. Living a very expensive lifestyle along with funding two adult children’s luxury lifestyles. 4. The IRS has their number. 5. Paying large fines and back taxes. 6. The elders finding better places to be. 7. Losing more heavy tithers. 8. Expenses & bills piling up. 9. Paying for Audra’s divorce. (Better include a large chunk of hush money for Chris) 10. Credit cards racking up to continue said lifestyle with less income and a very large tax burden. 11. BMW maintenance 12. Various other expenses with less money coming in and what is coming in is scrutinized heavily by the IRS.
    Keep it up Mike! I guarantee you that you have them circling drain in short order! Scum rolls down the drain too.

  • James says:

    Ron’s troubles just don’t seem to stop. I guess that’s what happens when you live a un-christian life style.
    Or maybe its a criminals life style……

  • Frank says:

    Greg has given up his wife, kids and job for what he believed for God. I hope what is rumored is true. Greg is a good and generous man.

  • Watchinginohio says:

    I also hope that what is rumored it true. Many have given up things for what we believe but Greg had given up so much. I respect him and hope this will not hurt his faith in God. I must prove all things and test the spirits, Ron has not obeyed God in being a faithful servant, or repented for his sins and continues to hurt God’s people in more ways than he knows. For all those who walk away from God because of his lies and unwillingness to admit what he has done, each one will be on his head. To whom much is give much is required. Think about that Ron!!! If any causes one to stumble and fall away his blood is on your head. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes.

    I will continue to hold fast to what I believe but will now, as the church is being made desolate, wait for the only one who can restore all things.

  • Seeya says:

    Is this rumor valid?? I have not heard anything like this….I hope it is from a credible source. Last I heard Terry was still in the church, but that was a few weeks ago

  • Frank says:

    We need to stay in contact and encourage each other. Some that left early on are doing that. I have heard that they are not looking for a church or leader but just wanting to prove all things over again. Don’t let Ron take everything away. Now is the time to stand and prove him wrong by opening up your bibles again. that is where the real truth lies for us who believe in the bible.

  • dd says:

    This guy conley is a copy of weinland in the young flesh. Conley with his wife and her church blog come into laura`s eyes. Conley`s wife is just like laura. Out of the same pot. Conley has 2 kids also. My contact with Elder conley was not a nice one. Conley refused to admit any wrong in how he connected with people. Conley has that weinland mind. Conley was made an Elder with no time at all in weinland`s church. At that time I did not understand how a person like conley could be made an Elder. Now I do. This is all a DAMN SHAM.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I think that likely that Terry’s still in, he’s scheduled to go to Portland next weekend. It’s Greg who I think is out.

  • bilbo says:

    I met Greg several times and he was a great person. I hope it is true he left. I heard Terry is still in. Not directly in the loop though so can’t say anything for sure first hand.

  • bilbo says:

    Johnny saying in this week’s sermon that more have given up, and a repeat of warning to not think, does suggest more departures recently. People I know are exiting after a long struggle coming to terms with what has gone on. It is hard to distinguish fact from rumor after exiting, but evidence seems to suggest things are continuing to decay.

  • bilbo says:

    Since they stopped announcing departures, in some cases word of mouth may be all the information there is. It would make sense they would have stopped announcing departures once the whole sideshow started to fall apart, it would encourage many others to follow who are waking up and doubting.

  • Jocko says:

    From what I’m reading it sounds like Greg is a decent man and stand up guy.

    I hope he has in fact left pkg and is now in the process of rebuilding his life with support from family and friends.

  • JD says:

    if Greg took care of the blog it might be there is no one to change the schedule. Why would Randy’s mom say he is brain damaged if he was still in good standing?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    MESSAGE TO DEPARTING PKG MEMBERS:

    If you are filled with doubt and/or scared to act on what you feel, don;t be alarmed. This is a natural occurrence in the ongoing process of being saved from evil. Evil does not act evil most often to do its best work. It is nice, comforting, and soft when you are being spiritually poisoned. You are given easy answers, and life ceases to be scary no matter how hard it actually is. But it is a lie. The softest, most relaxing quicksand is in the process of ending your life. And the moment you wake up is very uncomfortable.

    The great Apostasy you have been taught about was a great waking up from a cult. And your own church the PKG is experiencing the exact same thing. many are starting to see what the WWCG members woke up to big time in the 90s. Joseph Tkach accidently spoke a truth and exposed the church for the cult that it is. Among other things, he said that there were actual Christians in other churches, and they would be saved as well as the WWCG members.

    IF GOD’S WORD IS TRUE, then Jesus’ message that all who believed in Him would be saved is true, and TKACH REAFFIRMED THAT TRUTH. But he also exposed the eciet and evil of the church by saying that. BECASUSE if you then compare actual Christians in many churches the common denominator is care for the poor, and then sick, and so on. NOTHING of Vhrist’smessage was occurring in that toilet and NOTHING Christian is happening in the PKG.

    1. Yo have been taught to NOT pray for the sick and the suffering OUTSIDE of the PKG. Ron said that, and we recorded it. That is 100% AGAINST CHRIST.

    2. Ron has spent tithes on THREE BMWs for his family STRAIGHT OUT OF TITHES, not his own income.That is THEFT from GOD. That is 100% NOYT Christian.

    3. Ron OPEBLY lied on his daughter’s marriage certificate. THAT is a SIN that breaks the Ten Commandments, and then he LIE and said he was NOT hiding interest from the IRS. It was proven in court he was. LIES AND THEFT are Ron’s lifestyle, the mark of an anti-Christ.

    4. RON has been 100% wrong about every prophecy he has spoken in the NAME OF GOD, which the BIble, God;s Word says is the mark of a false prophet and an anti-Christ.

    5. Ron has called for the DEATH of me and my children. He said that this was his first official act as a Witness, and that GOD was going to kill me and my KIDS!!!

    This desire of GOD’s to kill me and anyone who doesn’t do whatHe says is WHY most people seek to be atheists as they learn more about the Old testament. Ron’s “GODLY” act of calling for my murder is ANTI-CHRIST. The list of anti-Christ activity is endless. GOD is not present in your false, criminal Internet Church because it is based on LIES AND CRIMES against the government and against GOD.

    The pain and confusion you are feeling is NOT God abandoning you for doubting Ron, it is the departing influence of a Satanic level of sickness that you have accepted as TRUTH in the name of RONALD WEINLAND.

    Don’t listen to Ronald Weinland or any elder that preaches PKG theology. They are part of a Great Sickness…. and they are cowards. Run, and they will be too scared to chase you.

    Openly mock and defy Ronald Weinland. Spit on his image and cease tithing to this Satan lover. Ask him or any Elder why RON LIED on his daughter’s marriage certificate. Ask ROn EHY he bought THREE BMWs ands had two of them shipped across the ocean, and why he used TITHES to do it? Shine the Truth on these maggots. They will get angry and run away like cowards.

    The Evil HATE Light…

    Ronald Weinland is a human toilet, and I am completely unafraid of him and his fake God. And you don’t have to be afraid of them either…

  • Jocko says:

    It seems to me that Laura is constantly telling Randy’s mom that the members who are leaving pkg are brain damaged.

    But reality tells us these former PKG members are thinking for themselves and have figured out that Ron’s nothing but a two bit crook and not the pastor he claims to be.

    Good luck with your retirement Ron because all these defecting brain damaged members will no longer be contributing to your pension plan.

    Perhaps it would be wise to start saving all those pennies you earn per hour for doing roofing work at club fed. If you save all of it perhaps you and Laura can spurge at Starbucks for two cups of coffee on your way home from prison in the year 2017.

  • Watchinginohio says:

    Dito Frank 🙂
    Looking forward to an awesome Feast.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Mom called Greg and he did not leave, and yes Greg is a very nice kid

  • Rterlecki says:

    Quote my Mom (Terry fell down hit his head and has not been to church in weeks)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Do you think your mom meant that literally? Or does it mean that Terry suffered the same type of brain damage that Ralph Dowd did?

  • Rterlecki says:

    Mike 🙂 probley same as Ralph , haha

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I hope so.

  • LeftAtLast says:

    It’s encouraging to read that more people are leaving. Hoping it’s true!

  • Frank says:

    I emailed the elder that I know and they had not heard anything about Terry or Greg. Did your mom call Terry to see if he was still with them or if he really suffered brain damage.
    I am just glad I am in an area where I don’t have to attend services and can lie low but still stay in the loop. I haven’t made the decision yet if I am going to attend the feast. On one hand it could be informative but on the other side of the coin i don’t think I could take all the people talking about how blessed we are.

  • Rterlecki says:

    No frank I don’t think she did.

  • Frank says:

    How is Terry going to travel if he can’t even make it to church in weeks? Doesn’t seem right does it. Shame also that Johnny hasn’t told the people about Terry falling so they could pray for the poor guy. But if he has brain damage he is useless to them now.

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Regarding Terry and Greg it may be they are beginning to recognize how this PKG Jihadist Ron the Con mess is destroying their lives and families. Ron Weinland is nothing but a con-artist, scum, religious extremist! I believe Ron does not believe in God. The only difference is a Middle Eastern nut job and some Jackass nut job from America. I hope the whole PKG flock figures it out.

    Ron and Laura’s Gods are nothing more than the dead presidents on cash currency. They abuse religion as a means to manipulate and screw people out of money. The Weinlands use God and religion as a scam-cover to beat cash out of followers. It is that simple. THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR MOTIVATION IS AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING IT FOR. CASH FOR FREE AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS. They have no regard for others and will do whatever it takes and ruin whoevers lives to do so.

    As for the Greg’s internet saga, I believe it is a way for the Weinland Clan to cut costs. I would be very willing to bet that the Weinland Luxury Fund (a.k.a. TITHES) is experiencing cash flow problems. At least they are not making what they were. They have serious debts to pay just in fines and back taxes. Now add on the high dollar dream team attorneys fees and maintaining their out of control lifestyle expenses. The list goes on.

    I have no idea who Greg C. is other than info here. Terry W. was at the trial as a witness. He seemed to have his stuff together and some intelligence. That being said, smart people do stupid stuff. I think part of his brain is definitely not working being involve with Ron the Con. Especially, if the PKG is now destroying his relationships with his son and/or family. Maybe he is on the tithe take as well? I suspect Johnny Hillbilly Harrell and Terry W. might be somewhat. If so, they are not taking enough and if not, they are straight up dumbasses for being hood winked anyway!

    Ron and Laura are VERY SELFISH with THEIR MONEY (“church money”) though. Unless it involves their adult children, vacations, BMW’s, shopping sprees, Starbucks, fine art, panties, massages, jewelry, fine dining, Blue Man Group tickets in Las Vegas, vet bills for the pooch, landscaping their home, country club homes & big condos for Audra, $1,700.00 suits & expensive clothing, Cruise ship adventures, deep tissue massages, groceries, alarm systems, medial coverage, and various other PERSONAL EXPENSES PAID FOR WITH THE “CHURCH MONEY”.

    I recall a so called vacation to Australia, “church related” of course, where Ron and Laura bought a $26,000 diamond ring fitted for Laura. Oh…..That’s right, that was “church”/personal property to be used for bargaining in the “end times”. WELL, THAT NEVER HAS HAPPENED. REPEATEDLY! HAVE THE SOLD THE RING OFF AND RETURNED ANY MONEY TO THE CHURCH? ……HELL, NO! Pig still has it and probably wears it to show off her massive BLING, BLING! Tacky Whore!

  • JD says:

    I listened to Johnny’s sermon and he talks about the sermon on the mount.Matt 5:1-11 and this is not the mind set of PKG. There is no love there. They are the one persecuting those that have left. There is nothing humble about PKG. There is so much pride in them they can’t see the truth.
    Laura is a good example of what PKG is not and it is none of the things said in the sermon on the mount. she is the biggest persecutor and liar of Gods people that have left.
    They are being told not about being seen. There again look at how the Weinland’s live. Look at me see what I have look at where I live look what I drive.
    He told the ministers not to show themselves as better than anyone else. But yet they are seperated from those in the congregation and secrets are keep from the rest.
    He talked about the lords prayer. To forgive. Ron and Laura hold on to everything and never forget what someone has done or said and will use it against them.
    He talked again about those who have been attacked by the goverment and some killed for what they believe. Again, Ron didn’t go to jail for religious beliefs but for stealing from the goverment. Just wish he would get more time for stealing from God.

    This sermon is for the prideful who feel they are above everyone else.

  • Joyce says:

    Hi,
    I left about a month ago and see that it has been said some are staying in contact and still hanging on. I was wondering if anyone was trying to stay together. That gives me some hope.

  • Frank says:

    Joyce that is what I was told by someone that left recently that there are some that are having contact and not giving up.

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    JD & Randy,
    Laura is pissed and talks crap about the people leaving only because it means she IS LOSING MONEY!

    I remember Ralph Dowd from the trial. Good for him and the others! Hopefully, Terry W. has an issue with his son leaving and is taking steps in the right direction too.

    Others leaving and thinking about it talk to others here you know and others whom have walked in you shoes regarding this mess. I am here only to help and bring awareness like many others here. I was only one of the 12 jurors and am not here for ANY religious purpose other than doing what is right for mankind. Your religious beliefs are yours. I hope you find what you are looking for. Cons like Ron are wrong! Very, very, wrong!

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Wonder if Ron is having any luck converting his fellow inmates? Never mind, they do not have much cash, so he is not very interested. Wouldn’t be surprised if he was not beating them out of vending machine pocket change. Good news is, is that Ron is stuck in there with them and when Bubba and the crew figure out they have been taken there will be some serious hell to be paid. Maybe he will get the beating he so well deserves. One can only hope.

  • Foxglove says:

    Hi Joyce,
    Yes there are quite a few of us who have left and we do keep in touch every week. But we will not have a man over us again. We have gone back to the truth that God gave to us through the Bible. We are reading and PROVING all things. And yes we can or else God is a liar. I would fear to be in Ron and Laura’s shoes standing before the real God. If you want to contact me personally ask Mike to give you my personal email.

  • martin says:

    Frank says:
    “Joyce that is what I was told by someone that left recently that there are some that are having contact and not giving up.”

    Can you elaborate, what do you mean “not giving up”?

    Do you mean they still believe Ronald Weinland? Or that they do not believe in Ron, but still believe in what he taught?

  • Soap Opera says:

    Hi Joyce and other COGers,
    As with Foxglove it is also the same in my area with a fair few (even from the other groups) staying in a loose sort of contact but still keeping the Sabbath high days and such at home own their own.
    As Foxglove says: We are reading and PROVING all things.
    So PKGers that are thinking of leaving, but concerned that you will be cut off from God, you will find you are not cut off unless you your self stop obeying God.
    In fact you will find a much healthier relationship with God starts to take place as you clean up the mess in your mind that PKG has made.
    The way to God is not through a man in prison, that try’s to associate his incarceration along the same lines as the Apostles and other true Prophets of God. They went to jail for righteous reasons.
    Also if you are leaving, stay at home for at least several weeks before you look at other scattered groups. A number of the leaders are the same as Ron and their main focus for getting new members is to have access to their wallets.
    An example being D Pack. ( Restored) he really has a strong focus on cash.
    Also here are a three of his prophecies: he has many more when you start to look.
    Starting on the 7th of August 2013 till the end of August 2013 three top men from the splinters will die.
    Starting on the 7th of August 2013 till the end of August 2013 thousands from the splinters will have gone over to Restored.
    By the feast (2013) Restored will have gone from their present 21 sites to scores of sites, entire scattered COG sites rolling over and becoming Restored sites.
    Of course when this doesn’t happen then it will prove he is another false prophet to be avoided.
    He is very much like Ron and talks his way around things and puts the blame on the congregation for not having enough faith.

  • Frank says:

    Martin,
    No they do not believe in any man that is a head of organizied religion. Some after they left gave up God and religion all together.
    I was talking about not giving up on God.

  • martin says:

    Giving up on a false prophet like Ronald Weinland, I can understand, but I don’t know why people give up on God.

    Unfortunately they got stung by a false prophet….Ronald Weinland is heaping up coals on his head for turning people to atheism.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Good point Soap Opera:

    Pack’s PROPHECIES must be hedl tot eh standard of prophecy to come true.

    1. Pack says they are prophecies, and he says he follows the Biblical God, and his Word.

    2. If we doubt him he says we are doubting or defying GOD, because God speaks to/through Pack.

    3. But if the prophecies fail, pack will deny any wrong doing, which is bullsh*t because the Bible says that THEY are to blame if there is ANY failure. Their rejection of responsibility is the SAME as the Jewish rejection of Jesus as the messiah. The Bible clearly says do not follow a false prophet, and do not follow a false Messiah. Pack and Weinland FAIL the OT standards of prophecy AND the NT standards of prophecy. The SAME standards that reject Jesus as the CHRIST. If pack and Weinland are wrong, and they blame God then ALL Biblical theology fails. God cannot be both for Weinland and for Jesus and for pack, or even for HIMSELF if their theologies all NEGATE one another, and God “progressively” reveals truth.

    If God’d truth is “progressive” then there is NO reason to believe Jesus, as now pack/Weinland are teaching “truths” that NEGATE Jesus.

    4. If Pack’s church is the ONLY place to receive Salvation, God’s ONLY church, then everyone who believed in Jesus in the hundreds of years before FAILED as Jesus Christ’s Redemption was NOT enough.

    5. If Pack’s church is the ONLY place to be in the right church and thus obtain Salvation, then Jesus’ shed blood and redemption has now been CANCELLED. If Pack is the standard, then Jesus is unnecessary.

    FOR EXAMPLE: I am an atheist. Jesus says He is my only hope. But Pack says his CHURCH is my only hope. Either Jesus or Pack are lying and/or wrong. If I accept jesus christ, then I DON’T need to join pack. If Pack is correct, then JESUS was lying. He is NOT the only Way, David Pack’s Word is the way. Jesus then is NOT the Way if Pack is correct. My ONLY option is to join Pack or join Weinland, because JESUS CHRIST was WRONG, he was not the only Way. Is it jesus Christ or Pack? Only ONE of them can save me…because if there is another option, then jesus/Pack/Yahweh are all completely wrong…

    REMEMBER THIS:

    People who follow Christ are CHRISTIANS. If you follow Pack, then he is the sole path to your salvation. If you are not a member of HIS church, you are not saved. Thus, you are NOT a Christian, you are a Packian.

    DOES THE BIBLE SAY THAT ONLY PACKIANS MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM THAT JESUS CHRIST PREACHED?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Oops! that should read “Pack’s PROPHECIES must be held to the standard of prophecy to come true.”

    …hard to type in English when your first language is German, and you are tired! 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This one of the things that drive me crazy about the COGs and Christianity in general. WHY do I, Avalokiteshvara, the ATHEIST WHO HATE CHRISTIANITY, have to defend Jesus Christ from these maggots?!! The Bible says Jesus said X. Thus, a “Christian” believes X. Thus, one knows what they should as well as SHOULD NOT believe. It is not rocket science. When the Bible says “Jesus said thou shalt…”, that is what Christians believe. You are not a Christian if you don;t believe it. The very same scripture that marks me as an unbeliever ALSO marks anyone else who does not believe it, no matter what they call themselves, and they are unbelievers too. I know it, God knows it, Christians know it, Satan knows it, the demons know it, children know it…all sentient beings can know it. Not disagree or agree with it, but clearly KNOW it.

    The Bible says X, clearly and without doubt. The COGs say Y is the case no matter what the Bible says, and the COG leader is the sole FINAL authority on the subject. If Jesus and the COG leader say different things, then the COG leader has the right “interpretation.” This is BULLSH*T and the BIble calls it such. Revelation says that not a single word, letter, or dot can be altered without angering God, resulting in the plagues of the Book being brought ion the head of the alterer.

    1. Weinland said that He was a Witness, and that the job is finished. The Bible CLEARLY shows this to be false, and the words of an anti-Christ. EVERYTHING WEINLAND HAS DONE HAS BEEN BEFORE THE SIXTH TRUMPET, when Bible says the job of the two Witnesses will BEGIN. The Bible is LYING or Ron is.

    2. Pack has said that his Church is the ONLY church God is working through, and if you don’t join it you lose Salvation. The BIBLE says the opposite. Jesus Christ is the path, and his Word is THE way. Not a way, THE way. IF you follwo him, youa re saved. It does NOT day you must be in a specific building to be His. It says the OPPOSITE (“when two are gathered in my Name…”).

    WHY. THE. F***. DO I HAVE TO DEFEND JESIUS CHRIST, THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR OF MANKIND to “Christians”??

    These toilet feeders speak in the Holy and Righteous Name of the Biblical God and His Son. Shouldn’t they be speaking FOR them and not 100% AGAINST THEM?!!!

    Sickening. You garbage COG leaders are supposed to be fighting against atheism, NOT leading people straight into our arms…

    but then again…thanks!! 🙂

  • New study claims believers are less intelligent than atheists.

    The study needs to focus on Conald Swineland — it may give them some insight into how all this works.

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    One thing is for certain and that is what we are seeing is that Ron the Con’s COG-PKG sect is suffering in more ways than one. The lies are surfacing and his little money making scam is crumbling apart. Poor old false prophet Conald can do little to remedy this situation stuck in the Club Fed Prison Camp.

    He is trying though. Wearing out #2 pencils and hoping Cpt. Slow Hillbilly Harrell can woe the crowds. Big mistake there Ronnie Boy! Never turn over your money making scam church to some back woods fill in preacher man that couldn’t impress the crowd at the snake handling churches wherever it is in Georgia that he is from. Bad move. They have the snakes there to keep the congregation AWAKE!

    Johnny is still snake handling too. His snakes name is …… you guessed it …… RONALD WEINLAND!

  • jack635 says:

    Avalo @12:09
    Amazing how an atheist can say more truth about the bible in less than two minutes, than the COG minister does in their two hour babble session. You PKG members really should read one of the four gospels of Jesus Christ. Who do you want to believe? Jesus or some guy who said he was a prophet and Jesus was definitely coming back may 2012? And let me add, that guy who took your money to do the “work of god”, is currently locked in a federal prison for STEALING. Wake up!

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    As for a woman on the pulpit….. I have no problem with that unless it is Laura or Audra. What we are witnessing is the grooming of Laura (tacky hoe = 2nd witness) and her being set up to fill in once Johnny, Terry, and the like back out or revenue drops too much. Someone has to take control of the helm and keep the tithes rolling in.

    THREE MORE YEARS! This voodoo is going to get very interesting. Hopefully, DEVASTATINGLY interesting!

    Any predictions anyone? I will bet everyone here that I can hit more “Truths” and prophecies than Ron the Con. Right now I am revealing to all that the Weinland voodoo PKG will continue to lose members at a rate faster than they acquire new victims. IF I AM wRONg IT IS GOD’S FAULT!

    I will be happy to forward my new P.O. Box info as soon as I get my tax exempt status back from the IRS. So just hold onto and save your money until further instructed sheeple.

    The wife and I just returned from vacation and caught the Weinland Clan Vacation Bug. It will be really great when we VACATION for a living once the money comes into that “tax free” P.O. Box! Do not forget we need some sweet new BMW’s to run to Cincy to pirate our tithe loot.

  • Oh, now, I think you’d be better off with a Ferarri or two and a Tesla for shorter around town trips.

    Just remember what Herbert Armstrong said: “Always buy the best quality your congregation can afford!” (with a side caveat to the members to “Prepare to lower your standard of living” while I raise mine).

    It worked for Herbert Armstrong, it worked for Ronald Weinland and it will work for you as long as you follow the right formula and aren’t bothered by that nuisance conscience.

    Always remember that you are the center of your universe and everyone else is just support staff.

  • FedUp says:

    If Laura does eventually take the pulpit, I wonder if she’ll just regurgitate what Ron tells her or go rogue and make up her own line of crap. And if Ron doesn’t like it, will he disfellowship Laura? Guess it all depends on how it affects the bottom line.

  • bilbo says:

    Personally I don’t see Laura ever getting into the pulpit. My opinion has nothing to do with doctrine – I do not believe she has the courage or skill to address the whole church via sermons. She slithers through the social group like a serpent, gossiping and otherwise working behind the scenes. I think her eventual prosecution as co conspirator is more likely than her becoming an evangelist. We can hope, anyway.

    Ron had the charisma, and the great fortune of the timing of 2012 hysteria, and he played his role with skill at first. He has squandered the charisma, and bet too much on the timing. He’s done.

    I think a few idiots are there forever but most will move on in time, and the COG mafia and its descendants will re-brand and continue its activities of selling fear and mind control, and massacring many people’s faith along the way.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Bilbo
    Laura will do what ever it takes she is a a evil bitch , to keep her family stealing money . Thrash never changes Laura !!!!!!! Is a nasty out for her family!!!

  • Rterlecki says:

    Ron ( the asshole ) and Laura ( the bitch ) where only worried about making there life, never worried about there kid just power after all the money started coming in they figure out they had a cash cow and ran with it ! And they spened it all . What a damn shame. But he’s in Fedreal Prison paying for it. We are all just reading about it. I hope Laura will be there soon !

  • bilbo says:

    Well if he retains millions of dollars after his prison time, then he traded 42 months of his life for a retirement. Before prison he was not “working”, he was jetsetting. So he only actually sacrificed 3 years in exchange for the millions. Those of us who make an honest and hard working living could only dream of same. However, if tithes dry up, and fines and legal exceed their worth, then they will finally experience some actual sackcloth, for a change. The only sackcloth they’ve seen so far is the burlap bags Starbucks delivers its coffee beans in.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Martin, as far as I can tell, those of us x PKG’ers who are athiest here would be Chacha and myself. I have said before though, that I am now Agnostic – I’m not sure what Chacha would label herself as.

    Without speaking for Chacha, but I am sure she (like myself) did not come to this belief (or lack thereof!) because of Ronnie and his wench.

    Ive said this so many times to you know, but you seem to keep ignoring this FACT or just rejecting it.

    Please stop generalizing about people leaving Ron becoming Athiests – it’s just bullshit. It’s not only an insult to our intelligence, but moreso an insult to your own.

    Again, you give Ron too much power. If a person truly became an athiest SOLEY because of their experience with Ron (maybe you could name even one?) then they are truly weak individuals who probably were never really ‘in the truth’ *vomit* to begin with.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Bilbo said: “Those of us who make an honest and hard working living could only dream of same” – in reference to Conald Swineland having millions of dollars. Well, Bilbo: I have good news for you, and for everyone else, especially the newly departed PKG members. DREAMING OF HAVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? Then read on and allow me to enlighten you on what ‘millions of dollars’ means….

    IMPORTANT MESSAGE:

    It is no secret that I, Avalokiteshvara, have money, lots of extra money floating around my life. Enough so that many would love to be on my shoes. Is this a brag? No. Why? Because as everyone knows, money does not automatically make you a nice person, or a just person, etc. But beside that there is a SECRET about “lots of money” that many rich people don;t tell those aspiring to have lots of money. If this secret got out and people really took it to heart, the rich would cease to prosper IF their business is built on low self esteem niches such as self-help books, fashion, lifestyle products, luxury cars, and such. Some things that sell well ONLY sell well because people desire to be something other than they are. There is no connection between happiness and luxury cars, but they are sold as the solution to your “problems”: thus the car is sleek and fast, with a beautiful woman standing beside it. It fills in for all the sleekness and fastness and sexiness you supposedly lack. But, as we all know, these things do not make one happy automatically. And these things get “old” quickly. Why?…and here comes the big “secret”…

    MONEY DOESN’T MAKE YOU HAPPY…BUT IT CAN HELP PROVIDE THE SCENARIOS IN WHICH YOU FIND HAPPINESS.

    That is why you DON’T need lots of money to be happy. If you enjoy fishing, like Randy Terlecki does, you don’t need to be a millionaire. If I took Randy on a fishing trip to Laos, it would be exciting, but still the happiness would come from FISHING in an exciting new environment. Does money buy things you wouldn’t ordinarily experience? Yes. Does the rarity of the experience make it satisfying? No. Because it becomes ordinary just like everything else does. Going to McDonald’s as a kid was exciting to me. Is it exciting now? Nope. Does it make me happy? Yes. BECAUSE I get to take my kids there and THEY love it. I get to provide joy for them. Their happiness is my happiness. And thus, my $20 provides the opportunity to experience great joy, in context of loving my children. Everyone reading this post right now has $20. You can have EXACTLY the same experience I have. And this does NOT change above and beyond 10,000 dollars, 1 million dollars. or 200 million dollars. It doesn;t, but ADVERTISERS must make it seem like the happiness one gets from these experiences comes from the boat or the car itself. Do you have a Honda Civic? It is as exciting to you after driving it for 10 years as a twelve-cylinder Jaguar, or a 1962 mint condition Harley Davidson. That is a fact. How would I know? I have all three! But due to the design of 62 Harleys when I go for a ride, I feel the wind directly on my face, and that sub-bass rumble in my spine. I get pleasure from the freedom it affords me: alone time just for me, so I can rejuvenate and go back to my family happy and ready to keep on fathering and husbanding. YOU can get that same pleasure from a $2000 used motorcycle, or even for FREE if you borrow a friend’s bike and ride it out in the country. A 1962 Harley is merely a means to an end, not the end itself.

    Believing that millions make you happy is just advertising, an approach to marketing that all the big companies use to keep your “dreaming” and striving for things that most often will NEVER make you happy, because you are not happy NOW. If you are not a happy plumber you will not be a happy millionaire. GUARANTEED. If you “need” millions” you will “need” way more millions, and that desire is NEVER softened or filled. Never. Weinland stole 4 million from the PKG and yet he went to jail for tax fraud because he wanted MORE. A mere few thousand more that he would risk jail for. GREED. LUST. Are these things “happiness”? Not at all. Weinland is supposed to be a Christian, saved by the shed blood of jesus Christ, redeemed from sin, ready to take his place in a glorious Kingdom removed from suffering, tears, disease, evil, war, and so on. THAT ISN’T GOOD ENOUGH? If the BIble was true, why wouldn’t every Christian be screaming for joy and dancing int he streets at this amazing good news, to be walking towards Paradise and eternally lasting joy? And God’ End Time Prophet lied about and stole as much money as he could? Look at Weinland. Is that piece of sh*t happy? No. He dreamt of millions, he got them. And he is in jail and insane. To paraphrase a line from George Carlin: “it’s called a dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

    Want to enjoy the VERY thing that millions of dollars brings you?

    1. Do something you like, that gives you great joy.
    2. Find an economically achievable way to do it.
    3. Enjoy the heck out of it.
    4. DON’T dream of millions of dollars being the key to your happiness.
    5. “Dream” of doing it in you own way, and then find a way to help others have that same kind of happiness.
    6. Volunteer in ways that help others achieve their goals and dreams.
    7. Save your tithes and use that money to uplift the downtrodden, the poor, and the sick. The experience will be 1000% more gratifying and life enriching than anything, or any dollar amount in your bank account.

    You WILL be happier than 99% of all million/billionaires. Most of what we humans think are our needs are merely manufactured, fictitious “needs” corporations try and convince use e have so they can profit off of our fear of not being loved. It is the SAME tactic Weinland uses. You are taught that you are not complete without Weinland, and if you don’t buy his God’s love via tithes and allegiance to RON’S church, GOD WON’T LOVE YOU. Bullsh*t. That is not in the Bible, and it is not how a healthy, happy life works. The cosmetics industry is based on the fear of not being loved. Luxury car companies are 100% built on fear of not being cool. So you may rightfully ask, well if such things don’t buy you happiness, then why do YOU have them, Avalo? isn’t that hypocritical?

    Nope. BECAUSE I have them to help others experience things they have zero access to. Vietnamese immigrants don’t see these cars and things rolling around their country. 99.99999% of them will NEVER be able to afford these things. The ONLY time in their life they will get anywhere near them is to know me. The will go for a ride with me a couple of times, and then the thrill wears off and they realize that they have gotten as much joy out of them as I have, and that these things DID NOT make them truly happy. They get the initial thrill of the thing, but then can go off and not have to pay the insurance, maintenance, and so on of these things that I have to. The “not-fun: parts of owning such things. The momentary pleasure they got dissipates, the please I got from merely owning these things long since dissipated, and now only the mundane parts remain. BUT I get the joy of helping people realize that they can be happy without these things. I get to tell them that “Santa isn’t real” and that you can go out and work hard and give yourself the best presents of all: happiness, joy, satisfaction, and so on without living in an inner fantasy world where you win the lottery and own fifteen houses, and everything is fine and happy and you never get sick and everyone loves you because you have 26 cars. These things DO NOT represent happiness, no matter how hard the corporations drive that stupid message home.

    Awhile back, I bought my oldest daughter office equipment and redid her bedroom to look like a cute little office. She wants to be a CEO or own a business, so I treated her to a home makeover. She was overjoyed. Not because she had a new room full of expensive office equipment, but because her Dad actually listened to her, and made her feel that I cared about her feelings (which I truly do, but as you daughter-fathers out there know, you have reinforce that care a lot). The gesture was the key, and the gesture was free. I could have bought just a stapler and she would have had the same joy. In fact, she reacted the same way when I did indeed buy here a real, big office stapler.

    The key to enjoying a million dollars lays in that stapler. A small amount of money provided me an opportunity to make my daughter happy. The Civic gives my wife a chance to drive a car of her own around to do all the volunteering and community-building she wants. A used Civic would accomplish that just as well as a new Civiv, for awhile. But a new Civic will help her do more, since it would require less weekly/monthly maintenance than an old beater, so it is a wiser investment than the old one. But if one plans as wisely as possible, one can achieve the EXACT same amount of happiness as I do with 1/100th of my budget. That is a FACT. Mother Theresa provided more happiness to the “world” of her community alone, than I will ever provide to the entire world. And she was poor. But she found the resources via the Catholic church and did what she had to do.

    The experiences that give humans joy are achieved without money, but money can help provide the chance for a lot of people to discover this fact.

    So use your 3 dollars to help the widow down the street get her groceries. You will be truly happy. Or use 10 of your dollars to help a local disabled kid go to summer camp. Or use 50 of your dollars to buy a large herd of goats for an Ethiopian family to get out of poverty and help guarantee a stable future for their children. Or use a gift of 10,000 of your dollars as part of a downpayment on a house for a young immigrant family. Or use 100,000 of your dollars to to help build a community centre in your neighbourhood with free sports and arts programs for the poorer among you. Or donate 1 million of your dollars to Ronald mcDonald House for sick kids. Or you can buy your wife a Honda Civic to help the local immigrant community have a free “taxi” service to the places they need to get to across such a large city as Toronto…the joy is EXACTLY the same.

    Money has cursed the greedy, sickening Weinlands. Heal your community and your soul with your own money.

    (MONEY +) CHARITY = LONG LASTING JOY

    (MONEY + CARS + DIAMONDS +) GREED = MISERY and HATE

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also…MARTIN:

    You never answered my question: what are you going to believe or say when Pack is proven to be the liar we know he is, concerning (1) his PROPHECY that the COGs would be completely destroyed, and (2) how he as now already back-pedalled and said only 7000 will join him by August 30th?

    Also, you said: “Giving up on a false prophet like Ronald Weinland, I can understand, but I don’t know why people give up on God.Unfortunately they got stung by a false prophet….Ronald Weinland is heaping up coals on his head for turning people to atheism.”

    The Catholic Church’s stance on birth control has directly contributed to the exponential and completely UNNECESSARY rise of AIDS in African countries. Do you think that MIGHT have something to do with it? The Bible says gay people must be put to death. Do you think THAT might have something to do with the march towards atheism? The WWCG used to and many churches still teach relying on God for healing and NEVER using a doctor, which has resulted in the death of many children. Do you think THAT had something to so with it? Do you think that the murder, slavery, and RAPE condoned by God has something to do with it (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)?

    If you are going to use atheism as an example of God shaming people…that to REJECT murder, slavery, and rape is shameful to God…then YOU are one of the reasons people give up on God. If God uses justice and truth to shame people into accepting murder and slavery, then THAT is why we atheists walk happily and peacefully on this Earth without the grotesque spectre of Yahweh haunting our lives….Randy Terlecki follows Jesus Christ and the peace and joy He offered. We atheists rest in the peace of rational truth and love without fear of the sky.

    All rational atheists, true Christians, agnostics, and “others” reject the/your (?) imaginary, insane, bloodthirsty COG desert God.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also, Martin:

    Kirrily is absolutely right.

    To become an atheist or an agnostic because of one person IS stupid, as she rightfully pointed out. Atheism or agnosticism are positions based on fact, not on emotion. This is why I hate young angry atheists. They are not atheists. They are sullen teens who hate their parent;s religion and “reject” anything that they don’t like! Atheism is not an emotion-based phenomenon. Loving calcium doesn’t make it’s particulars more or less true. Religion is believing calcium is the Messiah. Atheism is knowing that calcium is provably an alkaline earth metal no matter how we feel about it. Going from believing calcium has a plan for your spiritual life to knowing that it is a metal essential to cytoplasmic function is not a function of love OR hate of a man or woman. If I “believed” that calcium is an abundant metal because I hate Weinland, then I still know NOTHING at all about anything.

    To conflate truth with mere alterations in belief is a theological act.

    To reject faulty evidence is an agnostic and/or atheist act.

  • bilbo says:

    Avalo you might have misunderstood what i meant, poor wording on my part. I meant more that it was a good deal for Ron if he gets to keep any of his ill gotten wealth. I have learned the same thing you said. Money is a tool, not a goal or an intrinsic wealth on its own. Everything else you described is true wealth. Just ask me while I’m watching the sunrise in the mountains while a moose munches on reeds nearby 🙂

  • bilbo says:

    Ron helped me shed organized religion, as i realized usually it’s a trap. I strongly believed in a creator before pkg existed, and continue to do so. Although imprecise – more in a Boltzman brain kind of way, some vast consciousness of which we get to share a small piece as sentient life forms. Ron or any other scumbag will never rob me of that true sense of wonder. But his scam was the last straw and i will never chase a religious group or let anyone think for me, and that makes exploration fun and wondrous again!

  • bilbo says:

    Oh and by good deal for Ron I meant in a superficial wealth kind of way. He sold his soul, family, and whatever true wealth he might have had so he could get rich quick so to speak. And even that he lost in his greed and delusion.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Avo 🙂
    Your a good man buddy!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    You are so right, Bilbo! A moose munching is far more valuable than chasing the illusion of security and joy falsely attributed to ‘stuff.’ Das ist völlig richtig!!

    The underlying principle of The Art of War by Sun Tzu: “Erfassen der Staat intakt…”

    Capture the State intact…smart people – wise people – seek the value of the Whole…Conald Swineland seeks the dismantle the parts for selfish gain…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This is why Swineland will fail in the great scheme of things…he sees only as far as the money, he does not see the whole of Reality, and its value. Newly departed such as GoneAndForgotten and others see a greater Reality, a reality where God is expansive, and Jesus is a Bringer of Peace, or a landscape open to interpretation, and new paths to Truth. All Swineland can see is a dollar bill lying outside the walls of his PRISON cell where he has been thrown for being a LIAR and a THIEF.

    I so deeply wish Swineland had the balls to actually publicly debate his swill. I would dismantle that underwear stain theology of his in a nanosecond. To the right, the Gospel of Jesus Christ…to the left Sun Tzu…and a steely dose of science straight down the middle right into his front teeth. And he would have to run home crying like the weakling soul-thief he is.

    All he has ever faced are his moronic fans…let’s see how you fare against a thinker, Ronnie…

  • Avalokiteshvara, you are right! I like calcium! Not in it’s pure form, of course — it’s to alkaline for me: It’s a matter of taste.

    But it is so good in so many things. I like it my almond Silk. I understand there is quite a lot in steak. It comes in various vegetables I like.

    Don’t get me wrong: I like potassium and sodium too (but not too much); magnesium is a fave too!

    I just hope that Conald Swineland doesn’t ruin calcium for me.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Speaking of money and such…I have to stop for a second and openly BRAG like the proud father I am. My oldest daughter, my sweet little business angel has just made her first profit from investing…a whopping $4.00!! My little girl made a little profit!! I am so bleeping proud of her. She did it on her own, learned how to save her pennies for a few years and grew them in her kid’s account, and so on. She is barely a teen and she now has her own little microscopic empire! Just goes to show what a difference a little encouragement and some honest, ethical financial action can make. My daughter has earned more money ethically in today’s economy than Weinland has in his entire life!! LOL!

    That’s it. I am taking my little Warren Buffet out for a cheeseburger!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Avalo,
    You are pretty cool for an atheist. LOL! Kidding. The daughters hairball of fury rolling past the office door thing cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh! I agree with you on the money/happiness situation 100%. Look at the misery Ron and Laura are now facing. There is no possible way they are happy. Greedy, egotistical, and trying to fulfill happiness in their shallow lives……YES. Happy….. NO WAY! Ron’s greed is taking 3 1/2 years out of his life. One can not put a price tag on that. I would not donate 42 months of my life for said amount of money. Not happening! Would you? I seriously doubt it.

    Besides, by the time it is all said and done I do not think the Weinlands will gain financially nor in any other manner. Their bag full of bullsh!t and tricks will come crashing down on them heavily. It already has! I am predicting they will be lucky to walk away with very little. They surely will not have any true friends. PRICELESS! We are watching their money scam unravel as we type. Losing followers and cash flow on a daily, weekly, and monthly basis. What will it look like in THREE MORE YEARS? TICK-TOOOOOOCK! DING! DING! DING! I hear Audra is single…….stay away boys!

    How are they going to recruit new tithers? Walk up to wayward strangers and tell them “You just have to believe me.” “Do not get on they internet and research our scams and lies.” I do not see any very good angles these cultist freaks can maneuver trying to gain new followers / slaves. Humans are innately curious. Just like our kitty cats. We are seeing this by ex-pkgers exploring exactly what Ron the Con tells them not to. They are sick and tired of being lied to, taken advantage of, and sacrificing their relationship with God by following a FALSE PROPHET. You all are VERY WELCOME HERE.

    Avalo, You, others, and myself are here doing just as you preach. We are donating our time (Especially Mike) to help others. We are simply trying to help others get away from Weinland and other B.S. cultist leaders. We know these people are being HIGHLY MISLEAD and taken advantage of emotionally, spiritually, financially, and BEING ROBBED OF THEIR VERY SOULS AND BEING. LIVES RUINED. We could all be selfish just like Ron the lying so called God, Laura the tacky bling-bling whore, and all of these other money grubbing preacher lunatics. We could care less and laugh at people being misled and abused. We chose to do THE RIGHT AND JUST THING and help our fellow humans out trying to get them away from the abuse. Kudos to you, Mike, and all others here. I have TONS OF RESPECT FOR THAT. THANK YOU!

    Mike was not so optimistic when I met him at Bob Evans about followers leaving. I understand why. We may not be able to get them all but I am willing to bet we will do some serious tithing damage and shut Ron’s lying and garbage spewing pie hole to a large degree. He already has been with exception to the #2 pencil abuse. That is even weakening. Ron and Laura need to be PUT OUT OF THE CASH FOR FREE BUSINESS! The song Money For Nothing by the Dire Straights comes to mind. If Terry W. is out, that is indeed, a HUGE hit to Ron the Con. He was the “brains” behind scam business wise. Used and abused by Ron. What I witnessed in court pissed me off so badly here I am over a year later still trying to help take the Weinland Clan down. It was appalling and EVERY JUROR was more than disgusted. We felt that strongly about how Ron and Laura operate. PIGS!

    This blog MUST continue and the ex-pkg people are now on OUR TEAM. They are OUR FAMILY so to speak even if we have differing views about God and religion. We ALL have a COMMON PURPOSE here. Everyone has their own views and beliefs and are ENTITLED to them. The goal is to eliminate The Weinland Luxury Fund and HELP OTHERS. I nominate Mike(DDTFA) to a Sainthood status for his unwavering efforts. It has been a long road for Mike. You are a kind, caring, and very unselfish soul. Thanks Again brother! DRIVE ON!

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Avalo,
    On a side note: You just put another smile on my face and brought joy to my life. Thanks! I can relate because I have two daughters and a son. Poor lil’ guy has to “man up” a lot. He is caught in the middle. Daddy’s girls, enough said. They are at the first day of school today. Wife is teaching and the weather is beautiful. I will take your advice and get some free and windy perspective on my bike. Time for a ride. I love being self employed. Cons: Sometimes it stinks and is stressful. Pros: Today I am caught up. It is 1 PM here and I am hanging it up and taking a cruise. Thanks for the idea. Two wheels are better than four unless the weather is nasty. That will turn me into a hypocrite rather quickly.

  • Jan says:

    Jesse Jackson Jr is headed to prison. And his wife is getting to do some time for knowingly filing false tax returns! Is there any chance they will come after Laura?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    1ofthe12 Juror Bags:

    “Cool for an atheist…” LOL! I will never be cool. I am too old and/or fat and/or tired! I have two daughters. I would either have to be as cute as Ross Lynch, or sing like the boys in One Direction to get my girls to think I was anything they could call “cool.” I guess Wayne Shorter’s debut recordings as a leader on Blue Note, or the live Genesis album ‘Seconds Out’ don’t count as cool to them like they do to me! “Warren Buffet” and the “Wind Fairy”…my little girls…looking at me like I am from another planet because I still have my original vinyl copies of both Led Zeppelin’s “Houses of the Holy” AND Duran Duran’s live album ARENA!!

    A nice long walk, a ride on a decent mountain bike, anything that gets you out of your active mind and into a quiet place in your heart…Paradise for a working stiff like me with two little energy bundles and a wife who has not stopped talking and/or moving since 1978! I prefer walking to bicycles, and my baby (my ’62 Harley pan-headed darling) to walking. But I have seriously started looking at selling it. There are too many needy kids who are inches away from having a good life via going to university, and Betty could fully fund a kid through Canadian university. I have buyers sniffing around, eager to get their hands on her. Oh my sweet little oil-leaking angel…what times we had…

    You are right about the theology part…we DO practice what we preach…at the end of the day we are fighting for the same thing. Love. I would do anything for my kids, A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G – no matter how much the world hated me. Let the adults go down in flames, they dove into that toilet, let them stay there. But the kids need to be faaarrrrrrrr away from COG theology, they deserve to have the freedom from evil that I NEVER got as a child. That sh*t was beaten and churched into me so hard, it will never be gone. I f***-ing hate those (insert extremely negate words here). But my girls have no idea what I am talking about…just as it should be. No atheist, agnostic, Christian, or “other” child should be dragged through a life such as lived in that blood stained, poop-meadow that Weinland calls a church…Besides, you want three hours of free entertainment? Give your kids each a bowl of white chocolate and raspberry ice cream, and watch them go berserk from the sugar high!! One will be spinning on the spot laughing, the one will be jumping on top of you, and the wife will be roaring around the kitchen trying to get the madness to stop!!

    The quick descent into madness of the children in this fake commercial perfectly resembles the raspberry ice cream-induced chaos in my house on ‘Happy Night’!! Just make the kids slightly smaller and a little more Asian:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTNXQH8SEMo

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also Bags I feel sorry for your son. But how can one compete with the following level of cuteness? And as for girls being the weaker, more docile gender? Every daughter eventually discovers they have the power to control Daddy if Mommy doesn’t step in with an iron glare. It is all perfectly demonstrated in this cute video, and I love how the kid just goes about talking before she has any idea what she saying!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_UQgZyASfw

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    Avalo,
    Yea, I can relate to the “cool” and daughters. I think mine look at me as a caveman on the cool chart. They are 8 & 10. I am old, dusty & crusty in their youthful eyes. My motorcycle ride yesterday was just what the doctor ordered. I rarely ride my mountain bike lately but we did ride bikes a lot on vacation and along the beach. Walked a bunch too. Life is good! I assume you had a similar experience as Mike with being raised within a COG/WWCG/PKG sect. I did not know that and can understand any and all feelings you have about that. I attended a private Catholic school. I met my church attendance quota for life attending daily at school in my formative and teen years. I am a holy place retiree. The more I research organized religion the less interested I become. I’ve had very little church for too long to remember.
    Especially, after seeing what Ron and his PKG are all about. Churches strike me as religious frats and sororities our do-gooder country clubs. Very political and not very Christian unless you are in “their” specific club. Mostly hypocrites that really miss the whole point of what a Christian or morally upright person should be. That combined with the multitude of leader and organizational corruption etc; Then you have a mess. How do followers have deaf ears and blind eyes? Must be the cranial cleansing they enjoy so much along with handing over money thinking God has a high priced gate admission fee. Foolish! What use does God have for cash? Material things do not matter to God, right?

    As for the kids being force feed PKG theology I think the numbers are dwindling pertaining to Conald Swineland. Isn’t he against followers having children? Although, I am sure some of wRONg’s mislead followers are exposing kids to the insanity. I feel for them. Most kids are slammed into whatever religion their parents partake. I have attended most denominations out of being curious, dated and lived with a Jewish chic, and asked many questions. Still no great or even good answers nor results. Therefore, I have concluded that it is mostly bullsh*t. It is MONEY, POWER, AND CONTROL.

    Most organizations operate on fear. Is that healthy? Why do followers enjoy such abuse? Why are they willing to pay cash for it? WHY? WHY? Makes no sense to me. There may be a God. There may not. I have yet to find anyone nor anything that can prove one way or the other. THAT IS NOT MY POINT. The point is: Why do followers confide in whatever church figure or leader such as Ron Weinland just because they bullsh*t and say they know,,,, “you just have to believe me.” “God told me so.” Yea, right! THESE FIGURES ARE MAN JUST LIKE YOU AND ME. I have yet to find anyone that God has directly appointed to become his personal representative. SPECIFICALLY LYING CON-ARTIST SCUM LIKE RONALDO WEIRDLANDO! If it looks, smells, acts, and appears to be bullsh*t ………. Then By Golly, it must be a bunch of bull.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “Why do followers enjoy such abuse?”

    Because it is not abuse to them while they are lied to about a magical place in “the world tomorrow” where they are kings and priests and they are part of a spiritual elite whom millions look up to and gasp as they pass by….and other fairy tales. Most of these believers are older and have lived through a long life of being ordinary and would love to, for once, enjoy what they perceive to be the wonders of being rich and famous. It’s a Hollywood story with God at the centre of it, so there is no downside.

    All the good Christians I know long or the Kingdom because it symbolizes and end to the misery of those without the knowledge of God. They see the Kingdom as Salvation to those OUTSIDE of Christ, not merely a reward system for themselves. To them, Christ = an end to their own struggles, BUT they are truly passionate about seeing those around them, like myself who reject religion, finally see an end to our “ignorance” (LOL!). besides that being nonsense, their desire for peace FOR OTHERS is what separates Jesus from the COGs. The COGs are 100% about their own selfish desire to be no. 1. “The Kingdom” is 100% about THEM.

    “We are right, we get to be elites, we are the best, we get everything cool and all the glory…so nah nah nah-nah nah!”

    Humans with low IQs will do anything to get attention…including pretending Ronald Weinland is ‘godly’!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    MESSAGE TO ALL PKG ELDERS:

    Since none of you have attended seminary or a school qualified to teach proper theology, let me school you on why Ron and yourselves can’t come to blogs that tell the truth about you.

    The reason is that atheists, actual Christians, agnostics, Jews, Muslims, and others have scholarly traditions. Ordinary religious Jews, scholars, and rabbis, for example, all read and study the Law. They also vigorously DEBATE it. But what is certain is agreed upon. Such things as the Ten Commandments themselves being in the Bible are NOT debated, rather their applications are debated in various circumstances. Things that are debatable though continue to be debated, with an open debate continuing for hundreds of years sometimes. Knowing this then, anyone with more than a kindergarten understanding of the Bible can see through lies told about Biblical theology. A child knows that Big Bird from Sesame Street was not with Moses in Egypt. A child knows that Jesus did NOT say steal cookies from the grocery store. A CHILD knows that “God” is a special kind of being/person, and not the sandwich they ate for lunch.

    For more complicated theological question and answers, one must read the Bible and know what it says. PLUS…knowing about the nature of language and logic helps reveal the failure of spurious theology. You COG elders used it to “know” that Zerubabel, the guy named Michael who left/was kicked out of the PKG for thinking he and JESUS are the Two Witnesses. It is obvious to you guys AND us that he is out of his mind, and that his luggage being lost – after he was deported from Greece – is NOT a sign that Satan is trying to stop Michael’s ministry. The BIBLE is clear about it, and common sense is clear about it. But fortunately for us, and UNfortunately for you the rest of the world also sees through YOUR blatant lies about Ron’s divinity, prophetic power, and his supposed “innocence” over his jail sentence for lying to and stealing from the US government. The Bible deems every single act and word of Ron’s to be anti-Christ(ian) and false. But you run and hide and tell the PKG sheeple that WE are lying, and that God “progressively” reveals “truth” to you. Also a clear and obvious lie. Jesus Christ himself used logic, the same logic we use, to prove the Pharisees to be complete hypocrites and liars. jesus used logic, rational logic that stands up to scrutiny (for the most part).

    So…to get to the point of my post…

    WE know things YOU don’t that you don’t DARE discuss because you would be be shown to be the lying, uneducated cowards that you are and – to make a casual reference to David Lynch’s movie “DUNE” – the “spice” would stop flowing. You know the tithes are what is keeping you from working at Wendy’s for $7 dollars an hour, so you desperately cling to your false god and hope the church survives long enough for you to retire.

    FOR EXAMPLE, many of us know what “Theological Non-Cognitivism” is. It is the idea that the word God stands for so many things, thus it is too vague to be meaningful – you are essentially defining God by the nature of that God himself, and therefore the logic is circular and meaningless. This is why many people are atheists. It is not because they reject an actual God, but because they don’t believe the faulty, and stupid EVIDENCE provided by the COG-PKG and other churches/religions. YOU have not presented a God that is believable, NOR have you presented the world a GOD worth believing. YOU can neither define GOD in a coherent manner, nor is it possible to even reject that GOD due to its being so badly formed and UN-Godly. YOUR God is NOT the OT Biblical GOD, your God is incoherent and capricious, and your god is so badly defined as to be impossible to accept or reject fully – that is how badly formed Ron’s God, the worm in Ron’s head – Parasite Yahweh – is. There is no cognitive plane on or in which your God stands up to any test of authority or divinity.

    So you take ADVANTAGE of theological non-cognitivism (IGnosticism or “igtheism”), and say that since God is to complex and to semantically unstable to define, THAT in itself makes ANYthing you say about him right…because we can’t “prove” that you are wrong! Since your god is incoherent, he is mystical and sacred…and that is why you should believe what Ron says, becuase Ron is the only guy that can present GOd and The Bible coherently – thus Ron changes Revelation and puts himself coming as a Witness LONG BEFORE the Sixth Trumpet or EVEN the Second Trumpet, according to Ron himself!!

    YOUR OWN CHURCH THEOLOGY CLAIMS THAT MAN A=CANNOT UNDERSTAND GOD WITHOUT AGOD SHOWING THEM THE TRUTH…BUT you are using the SAME logic of ig-nosticism to PROVE God, which you aren;t because you are actually CANCELLING your own statements. “The Bible is impossible to understand without God” DOES not improve GOD and the Bible – it NEGATES both.

    SO…

    The good news for the PKG members is they get to read about such things HERE, and you continually do NOT show up to prove me/it wrong…BECAUSE you can’t…Because this very logic I am using JESUS CHRIST himself used against the PKG of his day…the evil Pharisees who tried to stop Christ from healing the sick, and feeding the poor, and freeing the locals from the spiritual bondage of the wicked priests of his day – the Ronald Weinlands and David packs of early AD Israel and Palestine. They had to get Christ KILLED to stop him because they had no other method. They HAD to shut him up because they could NOT stand being proven to be wrong and EVIL every time they walked within ten feet of Jesus.

    The PKG brethren can read this no matter him w much you fear and hate what I am saying…Of course you hate it…you hate ALL truth… to quote Joni Mitchell…”who are you going to get to do your dirty work, when all the slaves are free?

    Your days are numbered, PKG…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56TQe9o47YI

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG ELDERS:

    Here is another reason why you are too scared, and weak to show up here and defend the infected pus that you call your church doctrine. You rely on avoiding the burden of proof to keep your lies and stupidity going. You would call a Christian like Randy Terlecki a liar because he expects you to assume the burden of proof when you make your claims. This act of Randy’s is a CHRISTIAN act, even jesus Christ himself asked for proof of his “sins” that the Pharisees accused him of. They had to “PROVE ALL THINGS, hold fast to what is good” as much as Jesus Christ himself did if they were to be proven correct about what they accused jesus of. The Pharisees couldn’t, then jesus turned around and proved that THEY were the ones committing sin.

    I will explain it simply for you.

    1. If you call me, Avalokiteshvara, a criminal – let’s say… a murderer – you must have PROOF, or else you yourself will be guilty of slander (spoken lies) or libel (written lies).

    2. If you go to court YOU, the prosecution, will be asked for proof.

    3. IF you say “Well, we don’t have any proof that he is…but we also don’t have any proof that He ISN’T, so he is probably a murder…so let’s arrest him!” you will be thrown out of court and I will successfully sue YOU for slander and perjury in a federal court.

    4. If the roles were reversed, and I was the one calling you people murders for the SAME reason, the same faulty logic, you could successfully sue ME for slander and perjury. This law/logic applies to both of us. We are equal under the Law.

    Here is YOUR problem…

    YOUR ENTIRE ministry is built on pretending you can prove a NEGATIVE…what is called ” Russell’s Teapot.” – if YOU make the claim it is 100% YOUR responsibility to prove it. If that were not true, anyone could call anyone else anything they wanted and get away with it because then it would NOT be libel OR slander until they offered proof to the contrary. Thus you could throw anyone in jail for anything at any time. YOUR entire ministry is a GIANY lie based on the most obvious, ridiculous abuse of THE BURDEN OF PROOF.

    1. Your burden of proof in prophecy, as the BIBLE says, is the 100% true occurrence of that prophecy. YOURS, not ours.

    2. The burden of proof that anything you maggots preach is on YOUR shoulders, and thus we here ask OVER and OVER for proof which you can’t provide because there is NONE.

    3. But since you are weaklings and liars we can go straight to the court documents, Swineland’s own blog posts and sermons, and YOUR sermons for proof you are wrong and we find it in giant piles. PROOF – correct, and usable in court without being guilty of perjury or slandering Swineland.

    Your eternal answer to everything is “Well, you guys at Mike’s Blog can’t prove that God ‘doesn’t’ reveal progressive truth to Ron, so that makes US right! Nope. You are completely avoiding the burden of proof by saying that god changed his mind about jesus returning…it is not an answer, and it is not true. having no proof of something does NOT prove its opposite.YOU ARE WEAKLINGS, cowards, and scumbags…and you hide like losers – too scared and/or arrogant to admit what we already know about you.

    If Jesus not returning proves that Ron IS a prophet…then I am THE MOST HOLY GOD OF ABRAHAM because I have no divine powers, I am mortal, AND I did NOT create the world.

    People see through you…I dare you to engage me…engage us…let the PKG see just how weak and wrong you are…of course you won’t…you have too many cheques, bills, and coins to steal from them. The burden of PROOF is on YOUR heads…the Bible says so…logic says so…Jesus said so…the US legal system says so…sanity says so…

    be grown men and woman and face the truth…until then I am going to call you liars…and I will NEVER be charged with slander or libel for saying it…

    because it’s true…and you know it…and you are cowards…

  • 1ofthe12 juror bags says:

    DING! That’s some food for thought. Good points. I saw some of their explanations and such in the court proceedings. No proof. Just some stuttering, sweaty foreheads and red faces as they embarrassed themselves talking in circles. Hillbilly Harrell included. “It’s God’s money.” “I don’t question what Ron does with it.” Something to those lines.

    Very entertaining though. Stumbling, bumbling Dalrymple took the gold medal trying to explain how deep tissue massages could have been a “church related expense.” Really, Steve? How did you find a parking spot for your UFO in the city garage? He knew no one was going to buy that bullsh*t but tried laying it out there anyway. He said it was church related but had no explanation nor proof why it was. I guess Steve thought Ron’s pastor job was so rough and grueling laying around the house on the golf course waiting for money to come in that Audra picked up in her new all wheel drive BMW. He seemed to be very frustrated and confused that anyone would even question what the Ron God does. Poor dude has no clue as to how lost he really is following the Toledo Tithe Taker.
    Go back up to Toledo, Ohio Weinlands. Kentucky doesn’t want you nor your SCAMS.

    Ron was so arrogant on the witness stand it was disgusting. Bad move from his counsels stand point. BAD MOVE! I think that Ron thought he was going to control the minds in the court room like he does his sheeple. BAD MOVE! Enjoy your vacation with Bubba and the prison crew. Tick-Tock! Ron, you are most generously welcome. Betcha that wiped that cocky smirk off of your lying lips. Also take those possessed #2 prison pencils and shove them up yours. No one really wants to hear the sound of lying graphite either. Now go pick up that bar of soap, prison beeootch!

  • Really?! Really?! Wendy’s pays $7 an hour?!!!? That much?!

    Keep on tithing PKG: It’s a trade off — net $7 per hour because you’ve given everything to Conald Swineland for his living in luxury as an Oriental Potentate, or stop tithing and net $7 per hour working at Wendy’s. No wait. If you stop tithing to Swinegland nothing bad extra will happen to you and you won’t have to work for Wendy’s and you’ll keep your job and more of your money.

    Because… Swindleland is a lying convicted felon false prophet fraud con you do not owe one bit of money to and looks very much like an agent of Satan the Devil by Biblical standards, or, if you prefer, a mere psychopath playing games with you.

    Furthermore, the “Elders” are utterly useless liars.

    If you stick with the PKG you are losers.

    But you can win big by leaving.

    That way, you can afford to eat out at Wendy’s, if you choose to do so, and have someone making $7 an hour serve you.

  • chcha says:

    Hi Kirrily!

    I agree with what you said. I did not come to this lack of “belief” because of PKG. Prior to PKG I was into natural medicine and native herbs/traditions. I believe in natural healing power that we possess through positive thought and focus. I read the Tarot regularly and looked at nature with wonder and amazement. I do not need an imaginary being to complete this for me. I don’t know exactly what it was that made me toss it all for Weinland-ology. But I know that I am done looking in that direction.

    My focus now is on my family and those that I love, my community and myself. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that and feel that I am “blessed” by my acts of love and charity toward others. I don’t need a “minister” or a “god” to approve it.

    You boy must be getting so big now!!
    Take care!
    Cheers!

    Chacha

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    He is Chacha! 18 months now, and just trying to escape from his cot! :-0

    Lots of love to you xx

  • Leftatlast says:

    I think it was Bilbo who posted about watching a moose? Whomever it was, that’s what brings me my greatest peace, recharging the batteries. I’m nervous around motorcycles, since a hairy one and only ride as a teen with a closet daredevil in heavy traffic. But fortunately the river is a short and quiet walk down the hill, through fields of corn. And the hills on the other side of it are covered in forest. At the morning rise, around dawn, you can sit on a handy fallen tree on the edge of the shore, and watch the fish jump. The time spent there is priceless to me.

    Avelo, you make an excellent point about the value of money. It is a tool, nothing more. What people choose to spend it on determines how useful a tool it is. If used solely selfishly, they’ll get much less out of it. It goes so much further using it for others, : the amount doesn’t matter. Warren Buffett’s sister Doris funds the Women’s Independence Scholarship Program ( WISP) which helps domestic violence survivors with the necessities of life so they can go to college. Without the help of the scholarship program, there’s no way I’d ever have been able to go to school. Doris, like Warren, is giving her fortune away to help others towards a better life.

    Holding those examples up against pkg, which refused to give 5 bucks for gas so I could attend services..well, the greedy materialism of the Weinlands, and what exactly they’re in the BUSINESS of pkg for..and it is a business..a sole proprietorship for the use of the Weinlands…is sickeningly clear.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ah yes, Doris Buffett, ultra-rich sister of Warren Buffett the multi-BILLIONaire….Weinland can’t part with $5 for an abused woman, but can buy three BMWs for himself and his family with TITHES

    Bill Gates & Warren Buffett, the most generous philanthropists on the planet…

    …ATHEISTS…

  • bilbo says:

    I don’t remember anyone in the ministry ever helping anyone. Other than the example cited in court but that 3K loan was laundered into Laura’s pocket anyway so we see the real motive.

    It was the members that helped each other as we together fell deeper and deeper into destitution.

    20% of our disposable income, plus 7 offerings per year, going to church use. On top of interference with income because if you worked on saturday you were literally Lucifer. On top of insane amounts of spending liquidating our assets because of a certain apocalypse at a certain time.

    So the ministry got rich and lavish while us little people cared for each other as best we could.

    It resembled a 3rd world theocracy more than God’s kingdom, actually.

  • LeftAtLast says:

    What have the Weinland’s given? Deceit and thievery, lies, destroyed lives and relationships..the damage is incalculable. By their fruits ye shall know them…..

    My kids, my family, my friends, my cat, and these little rooms…life here is richer than what the Weinland’s will ever know. 😀

  • bilbo says:

    Typo – I meant to say 20% of our entire income, which in most cases was >= 100% of our disposable income.