What If…

False Prophet Ronald Weinland has made up for last week’s late blog post by making this week’s early.  Things must be getting pretty shaky in PKG land with all the cheerleading.  Ron’s weekly posting is repeated below the fold.

—- Weinland’s weekly post —-

Yesterday, my wife had a conversation with a person who was “spiritually unsettled.” One bothersome perception that this person had was that some people were overly concerned about prophecy, since this seemed to be such a large part of their conversations. It was also stated by this individual that since nothing happened on April 4th that some might leave the Church.

That date was mentioned in a post as having a correlation of a period of time within the prophetic day of one year with the timing being near 3 p.m. when Jesus died on Passover. That day was not mentioned as being the day that the Second Trumpet would sound or that the major event associated with it sounding would occur at that time. That date was given as a matter of being sobered about the prophetic times in which we live and the need to be continually on guard and watching   both physically and spiritually.

So my question is: “Why?” Why wouldn’t there be times when prophecy is a primary part of ones conversation? Does that mean a person engaged in such a subject is neglecting love, care, and concern for others by failing to engage in more casual or more personal conversation? How foolish! To me, as God’s servant and minister on earth to His Church, this simply reflects the soberness of mind such a person has because of these highly prophetic times in which we live.

There is not a more prophetic time for fulfillment than right now. There has never been and there will never be a time for more prophecy to be fulfilled than what will be completed in this end-time. The overwhelming vast majority of prophecy contained in the scriptures is about this period of time we are living. Knowing the time in which we are living should stir, sober, and move us to ever draw nearer to God. “Knowing the time” in which we are living should motivate us to work zealously to become more at one with God and to be living and practicing His way of life more fully toward others. This is especially true when we grasp that Satan and the demonic world are attacking constantly with everything they have. Do you believe that to be true with all your being? Because if you do not believe this then you are a prime and easy target.

If you do believe there are great spiritual battles being waged at this time, then what are you doing to guard and protect your own spiritual life and relationship with God? Do you have secret sin in you life? Are you praying daily and studying in some routine on a regular basis, as in listening to past sermons, reading the Bible, and/or reading truth God has made available to you on our various sites? If you are a minister, when is the last time you have reviewed and refreshed yourself in how to be a better servant in God’s service? And if those battles are real that are being waged in the spirit world, because they know their time is getting ever shorter, do you believe you are a target? Every one of you is a target, and you cannot begin to stand on your own!

So when is the last time you fasted? When is the last time you sought repentance in fasting so that you could see self more fully and to more clearly see those things that need to change in your life, rather than seeing so clearly what the problems are in other people’s lives. It’s just normal human nature to so clearly see others and not ourselves. Yet seeing self is the major spiritual battle that each one of us has.

A Personal Relationship with God:
So “what if” someone were to leave God’s Church over something so trivial as what did or did not happen on April 4th? If something so small were to lead to a reason to leave, then there is nothing you can do to change that, for it is a choice God allows because He does not seek to control anyone’s life. It is a spiritual matter, completely involving a personal issue of one’s own relationship with God. No one controls that relationship, but ourselves alone within our own life. Something God helped me to learn a long time ago is that each person’s spiritual life is in his or her own hands and in no one else’s. People can easily influence others (especially those closest to them) to doubt, be suspicious and questioning of others, to have wrong thinking, and so many other hurtful things in life because that is just the natural tendency of selfish human reasoning and of natural pulls.

A true spiritual relationship with God is different. In such a relationship, one must choose instead to fight against one’s own nature and then to actively seek God’s nature to rule in their life. This comes only from a personal choice and then active involvement to accomplish such a choice. A true spiritual relationship with God comes from genuine effort and engaged fighting in order to stand in His ways, in unity of spirit.

But “what if” the Second Trumpet did blow on or near April 4th? Do you “know” that it didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps it did blow and something is in the works that began at that time in order to accomplish what that trumpet defines. Are you watching (physically and spiritually), staying on guard in battle, and sobered by your belief of this end-time? As one minister who is watching and keeping alert mentioned, even the 9th could be a pivotal day, since it is 40 days to Pentecost, which is still “near” 3 pm. Such observations are a matter of spiritual alertness and wisdom for aiding one in keeping on their toes mentally, with soberness of mind. That does not mean we will see anything on the 9th or that anything of significance will occur, but it is part of being ready and living soberly.

What if North Korea set something in motion on the 4th or they do so on the 9th that will result in a later fulfillment? We just do not know, but as part of our deep abiding belief in the nearing of Christ’s coming, we seek to stay alert spiritually and ever on guard to our own spiritual state. I cannot give and you cannot give that which is spiritual to others. You can only seek it and work on such to be the reality, truth, and example of your own life. By this, others of like mind can receive encouragement and inspiration as you are blessed to reflect a portion of God’s life toward another in the fellowship we are blessed to participate in together.

Every one of you is without excuse if you do not recognize that a great spiritual war is now being waged. Your ability and realistic degree to which you can see this is one of the measures of your true spiritual state and relationship with God. Have the battles and trials around you increased or decreased over the past few months compared to previous years? Are battles around the Body of Christ less today than a year or two ago? Jesus Christ likened the difficulty that will be experienced in life prior to his arrival with that of a woman in birthing labor. That labor and pain does not diminish as birth nears, but it increases.

The battles before us are real. Your spiritual state and relationship with God is real, whether it is weak or strong. If it is weak, then your life is in grave danger! Only you and you alone can seek after and insure a strong relationship with Almighty God. God offers us that relationship, but it is a personal choice that must be followed by active work on our part if we are to receive it. Such a relationship will not “just happen.”

And “What If…”:
God is telling His Church that there are choices to be made now. The reality and truth is that this is what you are doing anyway, whether or not you have stated it in this way. “What if” May 19th is simply another Day of Pentecost without its fulfillment of the firstfruits being resurrected and the return of Christ? Does this question itself cause any panic, apprehension, and fear? If so, why is there panic, and why is there fear? Where is it coming from? What is the cause?

If it were only another observance of Pentecost and nothing more were to happen on May 19th, would the Church of God cease to exist? Would it go some place else or is it already somewhere else? Would the truths of God cease to exist or do you believe that we even have them? Do you know? Do you have doubt about such things? If so, why? Only you and you alone can answer such questions before God.

Whether or not you grasp it, you have been answering such things already in your life by what you are living right now. Thankfully, most of God’s people over the past several months have already answered these matters concerning the date of May 19, 2013. It is a spiritual understanding that gives people peace, boldness of faith, and confidence of spirit that no one’s life revolves around any specific date for the return of Christ, but that one’s life does revolve around how you live it before God and others. That which is spiritual is fully about a way of life God gives us to live. If we do not live in such a way, then dates, prophecy, truths, or the very return of Christ carry little significance (1 Cor. 13).

If there is some fear and panic with that question about May 19th due to the unknown trials that would lie ahead, such as financial, family, occupation, friends, etc., then that would be normal and all those could be addressed as they came, just as with other such trials of the past. There is nothing that can be done about such “what ifs” unless or until they are a reality. Then with God’s help, as it always is in the face of an actual trial, we address them in faith and move forward through them.

But if there is fear and panic because of nagging doubts, questioning (not questions), uncertainty, then Jesus Christ would say to you   and is saying to you: “Oh you of little faith!” Faith   living by what God gives us to believe   is from God and it is spiritual. You cannot give it to anyone, nor get it from anyone but God alone, through an active and very personal relationship with Him.

As for me, I believe we are in the Day of the Eternal. I live by that belief, just as I did concerning May 27th. When that day came and went, the Church was still here and very much alive. Spiritual lives and relationships with God did not disappear, but over the weeks that followed these relationships in most brethren became much stronger with God. How? It was the fruit and result of God’s spirit working in those who yielded to the process and thereby received greater conviction, strength, and more qualities of God’s character that were designed and orchestrated by the Master Potter, Almighty God.

Some have not faired as well these past few months, but with God it is never too late to repent of whatever has held one back. If you don’t know, then use the spiritual tool of fasting as outlined in Isaiah 58 and seek out God’s help to identify the sin and then repent. Such is only in the hands of each individual concerning their true relationship with God as to whether it is one of truth and spirit.

I do not believe in a “what if” concerning May 19th, but suffice it to say, if it did happen, as with May 27th, then I would deal with it in exactly the same manner. You see, I know that the Church would still be here and moving forward, waiting on God and Christ’s guidance into greater and stronger truth. The “present truth” and our understanding would shift somewhat as it always does when God reveals more and it would be clarified more so we could be in ever-growing and increasing unity with God   as it always has been. We fight a spiritual war and we continue to advance forward. God’s people are “God’s” people, and there is NO fear in any of that, but only growth in spiritual strength, boldness, peace, and confidence in God leading His people, His way, and in His perfect timing. Our lives do not revolve around “what ifs,” but in “what is” as a way of life to be lived in truth and in spirit before our great and loving Father.

72 Comments

  • Atrocious says:

    Ok PKG….Leave! Leave NOW! What a bunch of male bovine excrement!!!!!

  • martin says:

    Basically Ronald Weinland is telling you already in advance, that it’s not going to happen.

    It’s a “test” to mold and fashion you to be better Christians.

    You know, basically God led his endtime prophet to teach a whole bunch of lies, but it was for your good.

  • Fasting: It’s all good until the kidneys fail.

    There is not a more prophetic time for fulfillment than right now.

    No there is not.

    Jesus said there would be false prophets. There are more of them than ever. They are popping up everywhere and their false prophecies travel at nearly 1/10th the speed of light over the Internet.

    What if… Conald Swineland told the truth?

    Why be concerned that Swineland’s prophecies haven’t come to pass right on time?

    It proves him to be a liar and a false prophet — one whom Jesus said were ravening wolves in sheep’s clothing and by their fruits we would know them.

    The PKG is commanded by Scripture to disfellowship Swineland to turn him over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit might be saved.

    Having failed their mission, the Justice Department has done their work for them and put Swineland in a place of restraint for a time, times and maybe half a time.

    PKG, you’re not doing your job to kick out the false prophet and you have to know Jesus could not possibly be happy with you for ignoring him.

  • Ronco says:

    ‘To me, as God’s servant and minister on earth to His Church…’

    ‘It is a spiritual understanding that gives people peace, boldness of faith, and confidence of spirit that no one’s life revolves around any specific date for the return of Christ…’

    ‘I do not believe in a “what if” concerning May 19th, but suffice it to say, if it did happen, as with May 27th, then I would deal with it in exactly the same manner. ‘

    So much for the-end.com

  • john says:

    Why wasn’t his wife convicted along with him? I was interested to see if the new pope would be called peter in accordance with the malachi prophecies, inwhich he is the last pope and then the end will come….how can may 21 2013 be the last day? Popes new name is francis? I would like to make a predicition, in ten years time all religions of the world will be lost as no young people believe this nonsense anymore and the old people will have died, science will be able to explain just about everything. When they find microbes on mars polar caps or water on one of saturns moons with cell structure floating around, that will be a bombshell far more amazing than bible prophecy and really that will be the end of religion. As for jesus coming back, he already did ! aj miller in Australia, jose luis Miranda in florida? What about that guy in Russian vissarion? I think you have to have Satan rule and reign for awhile before jesus shows up anyways, and I don’t see him around neither…. john

  • Ronco says:

    ‘Are you praying daily and studying in some routine on a regular basis, as in listening to past sermons…’

    Ah, yes- nothing like reruns of Ron to drown out your sorrows of his failed prophecies!

  • bilbo says:

    More bait and switch. In a sermon just after may 27 (don’t remember which one sorry) he said “just give me one more year and you’ll see” some words to that effect. We should find it since past really exposes alot, like the interviews do. Moving goal posts again and using fear to condition that asking any questions at all is hating God and therefore dying in the end of the world and you don’t want that do you?

    But now we are at the unraveling. The bait (prophesy) is very fallen apart so the switch (stay forever and pay me to pastor you thru life) has to be cemented. So like he said in the post any one still worried about “prophesy” is not in the right “thinking”. It was never about that you see. It’s all about the lifestyle the Guru has prescribed.

    And carelessly throwing around dates and then telling people not to panic after may 19 when they lost the house (again) because “this really was it this time” except now “it was never about that” (again). And he brushes it off like they should suck it up and trust God more when HE is the one who put them in that situation.

    He is not Moses, relax, you won’t die if you accept that it was a scam.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    LOOK AT THIS!!

    1. Ron says: “But ‘what if’ the Second Trumpet did blow on or near April 4th? Do you “know” that it didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps it did blow and something is in the works that began at that time in order to accomplish what that trumpet defines…”

    2. The Bible says (Revelation 8:8) – “The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood.”

    LMAO!!! 🙂 Are you *&%$-ing KIDDING ME?!!!”Perhaps it DID” blow??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WEINLAND TYPE THIS CRAP AND HAVE ANYONE BELIEVE HIM?! LOL!! What PROPHET could possibly say “perhaps it did blow..”?? Oh my God that is the funniest/stupidest thing I have EVER seen!!

    Perhaps…

    LMFAO!!!!! 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I love it!

    “…In order to accomplish what the Trumpet defines!!!” Weinland uses so much double speak eben HE has no idea what he is trying to say! How much more noncommittal can you get! “Something” is “in the works” that began at that time in order to accomplish what the Trumpet “defines.” THE most meaningless sentence Ron has pumped out yet!!

    Imagine if Moses had said that!!

    “But what if the Red Sea doesn’t part and you all die violent at the hands of the Egyptian Army? How do you “know” that it didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps it did part and something is in the works that began at this time in order to accomplish what the Red Sea defines!”

    Or Jesus:

    “But what if my shed blood doesn’t save you when I am crucified tonight after coming here to Gethsemane. How do you “know” that it didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps it did part and something is in the works that began at this time in order to accomplish what my crucifixion defines!”

    Stupid. stupid. stupid. stupid. stupid. You can ALWAYS trust Ron to be a cowardly lying sack of cat poop who outs himself as a False Prophet with every bit of stupid theology that he defecates out of his mouth…

    LOL!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I’ll bet that was what Weinland said to the IRS when they came for him!

    “But ‘what if’ I didn’t pay my taxes, and hide the interest from my Swiss bank account from the government for five years on or near April 4th? Do you “know” that I didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps I did, and something is in the works that began at that time in order to accomplish what my taxes define…”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron says: “I do not believe in a “what if” concerning May 19th, but suffice it to say, if it did happen, as with May 27th, then I would deal with it in exactly the same manner.”

    “I dod NOT believe in a what if…BUT…”

    Nice work there, Ron: Way to boldly prove you DO believe in a “what if” in the SAME sentence you proclaim you DON’T!!! LOL!!

    Complete. utter. moron…

  • martin says:

    Yes, his mastery of double-speak is dazzling.

    I would categorize the man that wrote that nonsense as a paranoid schizophrenic .

  • martin says:

    I said 4 years ago, he would become more insane as time passes. This is because he will have to heap lie upon lie upon lie and will not be able to recognize common reality.

  • J says:

    I’d been wondering when Ron would pull the trigger on the next date change. I didn’t have to wait long. Gotta plant that seed sooner or later.

    So, by Ron’s reasoning, if a member had doubt last year about May 23rd, then that member had no faith in God. Except May 23rd came and went just as their doubts had warned them. And for those who kept their faith, was that faith rewarded? NOPE. Those who had their doubts were proven to be correct. So really, the members are being taught to have faith in failure. This year, it’s just 2013 rather than 2012, but the same story. Those doubting May 19th have no faith, yet once May 20th comes, that faith was irrelevant, because there will be NEW TRUTH™.

    In Ron’s twisted world, having faith in something that is later proven to be false is OK, because at the time, it was correct.

    There was a time when people thought the earth was the center of the universe, and the sun, moon and stars orbited the earth. That was later proven to be false, of course. In Ron’s mode of thinking, the earth WAS the center of the universe when it was believed to be, but as soon as it was determined not to be, the universe physically rearranged itself, and the earth was no longer the center of the universe. No one who thought the earth was the center was wrong, according to Ron, because they believed what they believed. And if someone said “earth is not the center of the universe” prematurely, then that person would have been WRONG, according to Ron.

    I guess the question is, how many Pentecosts is he going to push it out this time? Will he make it a perennial prediction, or will it go out a few years? I think 3 is a nice round number. because that’s the first Pentecost after he’s scheduled to be released from prison. May 15, 2016.

  • I would categorize the man that wrote that nonsense as a paranoid schizophrenic .

    Actually, if you have read “Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths” by Dr. Robert Hare, you would note that Swineland’s sentence topography is typical of that of a psychopath.

    Occam’s Razor: Psychopath is a more simple explanation than paranoid schizophrenic — since it is doubtful that Conald is delusional and knows exactly what he is and knows exactly what sort of games he is playing.

    Highly advise PKG members invest in “Without Conscience,” “Snakes in Suits” and “Life Code”; when they get ready to leave, they can get “Take Back Your Life”.

    That is the NEW TRUTH.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ronnie – what happened to ‘the whole world will be in shock and horror’ – oh yeah, just ANOTHER lie.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    J – I love the way you put that. Especially “In Ron’s twisted world, having faith in something that is later proven to be false is OK, because at the time, it was correct.”

    That’s really it in a nutshell.

  • FedUp says:

    You know, for years this guy has been talking nothing but prophecy; now he chastises people for being too obsessed with it, to the neglect of other aspects of a spiritual life?

    And no, Ron, you won’t deal with May 19 the same way you dealt with May 27. This time, you’re in prison where you belong and Jesus won’t be stopping by to spring you early.

    Bait and switch. Wish there was some way the prison system could prevent him from communicating with his followers. It might give them time to detox.

  • Rterlecki says:

    The only one that’s at end of time is Ron he is in federal prison put there by a jury of 12 people who never heard of him in less than 2 hours. I hope the only way u get out is flat on your back asshole and take Laura with u !!!!!!!!! 🙂
    He is not in there because he was persecuted . He lied ,stole he is no prophet not one thing happen he said . How do u compare your self to Christ, he made water to wine, and a blind man see. What the hell did Ron do nothing.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron said: “One bothersome perception that this person had was that some people were overly concerned about prophecy, since this seemed to be such a large part of their conversations. It was also stated by this individual that since nothing happened on April 4th that some might leave the Church.”

    Overly concerned with prophecy?! YOU are the one who has PROPHESIED that Jesus Christ was to return in 2011, 2012, and now 2013, and you even wrote two BOOKS about PROPHECY!

    1. Who was the one that PROPHESIED that MILLIONS of people would rush to the PKG to be baptized before Jesus returned in 2012, this being the reason so many new preaching elders were raised that year?
    2. Who was the one who CURSED us to death as his first OFFICIAL act as one of the Two Witnesses?
    3. Who was the one who wrote “2008 – God’s FINAL Witness?”
    4. Who was the one who gave a LGD sermon talking about how Satan was responsible for giving him the idea that Jesus was (maybe) NOT returning in 2012?
    5. Who is in jail right now for tax evasion while proclaiming he is a Christian who “gives to Caesar what is Caesar’s?”
    6. Who is the one who explained that this year (May 2012 – May 2013) is a PROPHETIC Day of the Lord’s Wrath?

    False Prophet. Liar. Criminal. Hypocrite.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6KP8Yv6owo

  • Rterlecki says:

    Amen avo 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Remember THIS from Weinland’s own blog posting (Sept. 25, 2011):

    “One last warning! If you have any saved funds in a bank, at least be wise enough to take out some in cash and buy some extra food. Take out some and stash it away in a safe place. Because once the bank doors close, and they will close, it will be too late to get emergency cash!”

    Hmmm I wonder why people are thinking about YOUR prophecies not coming true…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ronald Weinland Sermon (August 29, 2009):

    “I am either an apostle or a prophet…because God’s truth has to come from either one of the two…”

    Well Ron?

    1. Why didn’t ANY of your prophecies come true?

    2. Why have you made non-stop errors about the exact timing that would reveal your work as an “apostle” to be prophetic?

    3. Why did you HIDE your Swiss bank account interest from the IRS for FIVE YEARS?

    Criminal.
    False Prophet.
    Liar.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ronald Weinland sermon (January 3rd, 2010)

    “Pray about this, that there be more conflict. Pray that God stir things up with the first thunder, a terror of war…”

    You know, just like Jesus said…pray for the suffering and misery of your enemies, wish pain and death upon them…

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland has made more false prophecies than any false prophet I know of.

    In the OT, you only had to make one false prophecy and that was it, under the civil law you were stoned, so you couldn’t make any more false prophecies.

    Ronald Weinland has been false prophesying for over 5 years now, and PKGers think this blind prophet is going to lead them into the Kingdom?

    When they find themselves thrust out, they only have themselves to blame.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    2008 God;s Final Witness – page 29:

    “This book does not originate from the prejudices of man; its message comes from the inspiration and revelation of God Almighty given to one of His prophets.”

    LIAR.

    FALSE PROPHET.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Is the “PROPHET” now playing the ‘what-if’ game with his clan? Is that all he’s got left?

    Here, PKG’ers, I’d like to play that game with you too, if that’s ok ? ……… What if he’s a false prophet, having a lend of you all ?
    What if he’s a filthy, lying dickhead …….. who’s so full of s&it, he needs a diaper to sneeze rather than a tissue ? ……..
    Does’nt really bother me that much, he does’nt get any of my money …… LoL 😀

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here’s Weinland’s entire ministry:

    1. I am true prophet!

    2. Your Lord and Saviour will come EXACTLY when I say, and you won’t need money or houses anymore! So give everything you have to me!!!

    3. You MUST focus on exact prophecies and everything I say because it is true!!!!!!!!

    4. Don’t reject god by doubting ME.

    5. Stop focusing on exact timing, and exact prophecies and just send tithes!!

  • bilbo says:

    Ya really. Deriding people concerned about prophesy. The entire f’ ministry was based on it. People planned their entire lives around it. Why would it weigh heavy on their minds.

    He manipulated hundreds, maybe thousands, with careless psychic readings channeling God and Jesus (yea right), and effected mortgages, babies, educations, marriages, careers, everythign you can imagine.

    And then brush it off like it was nothing. Like it was never about the prophesy. And there is something wrong with you if you wonder about it.

    It definitely looks like something is going on here, and the work of our loving God ain’t it.

  • bilbo says:

    Hey martin in the other post you asked me what the ‘aha’ moment was when I knew Ron was a fake?

    There was no single moment. Lets see, after may 27 it was strange how the narrative shifted like it was no big deal. Even before that I knew it was probably fake because nothing was going on. Then the trial and how it was tried to be hidden, and the arrogance to the authorities. Finding out how cult programming works and then seeing clear signs of it all over. Finding out he laughed all the way to the bank. Nothing matched how God would really be or how Jesus behaved.

    It just got more and more obvious as time passed, but now that you mention it I don’t know when it clicked exactly.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    It is telling that he CAN’T make ANY prophecy other than his FAILED Jesus ones.

    Really? He can nail down to the HOUR when Jesus will return yet the Second Trumpet is a mystery to him?

    “But ‘what if’ the Second Trumpet did blow on or near April 4th? Do you “know” that it didn’t? I don’t! Perhaps it did blow and something is in the works that began at that time in order to accomplish what that trumpet defines…”

    Let;s see. He ADMITS he has no idea if the 2nd Trumpet blew or not, YET proclaims the EXACT DAY that what the Second Trumpet leads to will occur? There is just over one MONTH left, and he DOESN’T know or can’t tell? WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW CAN THE PHG NOT SEE THIS?!!!!!!!!!

    1. We have said all along Ron DOESN’T know when anything is going to occur. This to the PKG = “lies.”
    2. RON then says he doesn’t know when they are going to occur. This to the PKG = “God’s Truth?”

    False prophet.
    Liar.
    Hypocrite.
    Criminal.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Let’s see…Weinland is a prophet according to his website and his sermons,

    Really? Then WHY HAS THE FIFTH TRUMPET NOT SOUNDED YET SINCE REVELATION 9 STATES…

    Revelation 9

    “Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.”

    There is ONE MONTH left and NOONE has been tormented for FIVE MONTHS or any months by LOCUSTS. How do you spiritualize away a LOCUST…a locust is physical, it is a thing. You can;t parable/metaphor it away!

    RONALD WEINLAND IS A LIAR AND A FALSE PROPHET…

    No Asian Hordes.
    No locusts for FIVE months.
    No MILLIONS coming to be baptized before May 2012 OR 2013.
    No Mark of The Beast on anyone’s head or hand.
    No nothing.

    And come May 19th, NO JESUS CHRIST.

    FACT.

  • chacha says:

    Really Ron…the only trumpet sounding is your own.

    I love how he continually talks about “how you live toward others” being such a hallmark of “godly” living! Really?
    Imagining our family and friends…who aren’t our friends any more because they “deny christ”…dying in the tribulation?

    Ignoring the suffering of people around us…INCLUDING those in the “beloved BODY” because to do so is to interfer with the “will of god”!?r

    NOT praying for the “trials” to be lifted from our “family” because they have to “learn their lesson and repent of some hidden sin”?

    Yeah….I had plenty of that “love” Ron…thanks anyway. I learned how to fend for myself, thank you very much! (Ain’t I just the PICTURE of selfishness then?)

    Oh I am SO glad to be OUT of this CULT!!!! This is all more of the hurtful and HATEFUL mind control…you-are-so-worthless-without-god “male bovine excrement” (thanks Avalo!)

    Yeah…pkg…WHAT IF nothing happens AGAIN..and AGAIN…and AGAIN! Really? Oh…This MUST be where god is working! Look at all of the failed Prophecies! Truly amazing brethren! It truly IS!

    *gag* You deserve whatever you find at the end of your delusional rainbow!

  • Trumpet sounding? Maybe it’s just his tinnitus.

    PKG: Here’s the obvious — Jesus is not returning in your lifetime, Weinland’s pronouncements are useless, therefore, save as much money as you can, get the best health care you can and prepare for retirement if you aren’t already there.

    You may also may want to think about setting your house in order and maybe getting some sort of funeral / burial plan, have your will drawn up and plan for your legacy to be passed on to the next generation in your own family.

    You are in this for the long term and not too much is going to “cut things short” unless you have some sort of accident or major medical traumatic event.

    Get on with your life; prepare for your death.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Douglas:

    That is excellent advice. Too bad the PKG aren;t going to follow it…becuase you have to live in REALITY to do so. They live in Wein-Land: a place where facts and truth are nowhere to be found.

    It is a place where

    1. failed prophecy = true prophecy.
    2. God is unchanging yet changes all the time.
    3. Ron is a prophet but has no idea if his prophecies will come true, thus he is not a prophet at all but still is because (see #1).
    4. Jesus said all can come unto me, but Ron says only tithe-rs are allowed.
    5. The BIble is right but only when Ron explains it, not Jesus.
    6. Jesus is always returning and yet never returns.
    7. Prophecies are exact ONLY when they change over and over.
    8. Truth is only true when Ron says it is.
    9. The Two Witnesses FALSELY witness in the name of God.
    10. Prophets LIE on their daughter’s marriage certificates.
    11. Love thy enemies = pray for their suffering to increase via Biblical Thunders.

    Wein-Land: no fun for anyone of any age…

  • A little science could go a long way: For example, performing an experiment by having an altar set up with a sacrifice drenched in water on it and having Wein-land pray that it be consumed by fire.

    This is a classic scientific method to test the proposition whether Wein-Land has any connection to God; if the sacrifice fails to catch on fire, then the PKG will need to follow the scientific evidence and adopt a different hypothesis — that Wein-Land is a NoWin-Land and conclude, by the evidence, that he is a false prophet. Performing this same experiment 100 times and having him fail would move it to a theory that he is a false prophet. I do not know how many times it takes to make it a Law, but certainly there’s enough evidence already that we may be on the verge of declaring it so, since he’s failed so many times before.

    Science… it can keep you out of a lot of trouble, and if you are in trouble, it may just help to get you out.

    No, no, don’t expect God to get you out of the PKG — you have the power: You do it yourself.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Speaking of power, here’s a little something for you, Douglas:

    1. Weinland’s First Law of Thermodynamics:

    Don’t waste your energy on Ronald Weinland

    2. Weinland’s Second Law of Thermodynamics:

    Disorder increases the more you believe him.

    3. Weinland’s Third Law of Thermodynamics:

    Ronald Weinland is an absolute ZERO…

  • Atrocious says:

    Also, to add to the above points: Ron has never, ever said he is sorry. Ron has never, ever said he is a false prophet when he said he would. Ron has never stopped preaching when he said he would. Ron said he would not change time lines if they didn’t happen, like all the other “prophets” did, and he has changed them over and over and over again. Ron always points to dates, over and over and over again, and then when they don’t pan out, he says it’s not about dates. Ron has not even said he was sorry about not filing his taxes, but says the government got it all wrong.

    Ron is a lying, thieving, insane, delusional, narcissistic sociopath whose only concern is getting money. In my view, he is the worst of the worst – still trying to dupe his followers behind prison walls. Disgusting.

  • Been There Done That says:

    Really Ron? Blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH!!!

    What if” May 19th is simply another Day of Pentecost without its fulfillment of the firstfruits being resurrected and the return of Christ? Does this question itself cause any panic, apprehension, and fear? If so, why is there panic, and why is there fear? Where is it coming from?

    It’s coming from the fact that you have deceived so many innocent people for your own gain….and now those people are having to admit that they have been fools. Not an easy thing to do, huh Ron? You throw stones when you are in jail for tax evasion? Keep em scared, so you and Laure and keep controling them…how pathetic.

    You really are evil. You need to evaluate who Satan is truly working with. And you Laura…..I can almost buy the fact that Ron is dilusional, but you know exactly what is going on, don’t you. Do you feel no shame?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron says: “Every one of you is without excuse if you do not recognize that a great spiritual war is now being waged. Your ability and realistic degree to which you can see this is one of the measures of your true spiritual state and relationship with God.” Where the f*** does the BIble say that, Ron? How is that a measure of your spiritual state? Isn’t there ONE measurement? The Gospel of JESUS CHRIST? Interesting. Ronald Weinland’s word is now THE measurement of how Christian anyone is on any subject.

    Hmmmm…where have I heard that one before? Where someone other than God decides that HE should be the authority, and NOT God Almighty?

    Isaiah 14: 12-14

    “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt MY throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High!”

  • Three Laws of Thermodynamics (roughly translated to Thermodynamics for Dummies):

    1. You can’t win.
    2. You can’t break even.
    3. You can’t get out of the game.

    PKG can violate the last of these rules by leaving Conald Swineland: By doing so, they will, of course, increase his entropy, but then everything will be in balance since the departing members of the PKG will pick up some energy on the way, thus reducing their own entropy locally.

    It’s all good.

  • Atrocious says:

    Avalo, you know Ron makes it up as he goes. He attributes any thoughts that come into his head to God.

    He is actually anti-bible and anti-Christ, anti-Christian, anti-love, anti-everything that’s good. That describes the devil, according to the book he claims to quote from. So, the thoughts that come into his head are not from God at all, but from his own mind that is influenced by anti-Christ.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Just thinking no man or angel not even the son, will know so what makes this asshole and his wife think they know? Get a life Ron go fishing oh I forgot u r in prison! 🙂

  • jack635 says:

    I guess i should comment once in a while.
    Ron is in prison.
    Jesus is not coming back in May … again.
    Ron is still a False Prophet as recorded in his book 2008 God’s Final Witness.

    And now for some entertainment :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54d21XS_GbQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • Chacha says:

    jack,

    That was AWESOME! Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Atrocious:

    Isn’t odd how Ronald Weinland is anti-God and anti-Christ? I am an atheist BUT I am not “against” God any more than I, in a sense, am against the Easter Bunny. I reject the Bible evidentially, BUT I don’t change it and pretend I really do believe like Weinland does! That difference is what makes Weinland so dangerous. Weinland is thoroughly “against” God by replacing Biblical theology with his own and ATTRIBUTING it to God….which is a criminal offense (slander, libel).

    There is a HUGE difference between not believing Angelina Jolie can act AND setting up a fraudulent charity in her name to make millions and spend it exclusively on your wife’s panties and cars and diamonds and deep tissue massages.

  • martin says:

    So much proof has been given, that Ronald Weinland is NOT who he says he is.

    It’s a shame…these PKGers will eventually find out the hard way, that he is a false prophet.

    He’s gotten the most important prophecy wrong twice, with him practically admitting the third call about the Second Coming is wrong too.

    Unrepentant about false prophecies, unrepentant about unpaid taxes…..Ronald Weinland does not know what’s coming for him down the line.

  • Jocko says:

    “2008 GFW”, pages 26-27:

    “Lying is the outcome of people being right in their own eyes and stubbornly holding to their own viewpoint, regardless of EVIDENCE to the contrary.”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron said on May 19th, 2011 (blog post):

    “The next great step in the fulfillment of Pentecost is only a little over a year away when Jesus Christ will come as King of kings to rule over this earth.”

    FALSE PROPHET.

    LIAR.

  • Been There Done That says:

    Okay Ron, I know you have Johnny keep you up to date on this site. ( Hi Johnny!) How do I know? One of your elders told me so. I also know a lot more about how you keep the flock in check. All those people that you are raising to elder positions aren’t being raised to minister to the million. They are being ordained to spy on other members. Yep, got that from an elder also. This whole thing is about to come tumbling down around your ears. The ones that really need to be panicking and fearful are you and Laura. Wake up. You are the one that is going to have fire and damnation heaped on you for all the horrible things you have done in God’s name. Shame on you…you too Johnny.

  • Atrocious says:

    Hmmm, seems I left off a word that should have been included in my last post. Gestapo.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    They read this? Excellent!

    MESSAGE TO JOHNNY:

    Hi, Johnny. I am Avalokiteshvara. I openly and without fear mock your stupid ministry. Why? Because it is provably all a LIE. Not just because The God of Abraham doesn’t exist thus I have nothing to fear- rather, I know FOR SURE that the “thing” you worship and call your God is not only fiction but completely CONTRARY to the Bible. Thus I am feel completely SAFE laughing in your god’s face – like I can laugh at the Easter Bunny, Vishnu, and the Three Stooges. I figuratively spit in your face and give your church the finger, as it is a criminal organisation that steals from the old and sick and spends that money on Laura’s panties, diamonds, BMWs, and Swiss bank accounts.

    JESUS IS NOT RETURNING ON MAY 19TH and you know it.

    This will be the THIRD false prophecy about jesus’ return that Swineland has uttered.

    How many more acts AGAINST Christ are YOU going to commit before YOU end up in jail too?

  • PKG membership requirements:

    1) You must allow yourself to follow a false prophet convicted felon without questioning his failures;
    2) You must rationalize and compartmentalize total crap;
    3) You must give money you know that you can’t afford to lose in order to give the Weinlands a life of luxury;
    4) You must accept continual lies and treat them as though they are the truth;
    5) You must pretend you are righteous when you know better;
    6) You must continue to disobey God when Scripture says plainly to turn away from such as the Weinlands;
    7) You must lower your expectations for this life and the life beyond (if any), since you have made a terrible investment in stupidity.

    If you can stomach all that (and more), you can be a member of the PKG (remembering that you will have no real privacy and people will gossip about you, particularly those in the ministry).

  • Rterlecki says:

    I just want to go on record to say nothing is going to happen May 19, 2013 and I not a prophet stilling old people money. Just like nothing he said ever happen. His so called given info. Lol 🙂

  • Rterlecki says:

    The only end time is Ron’s and Laura and kids. U r an asshole Ron !!!!!!
    Damn shame your life is reacked now u still want to reck other people’s life shame on u. But lair like u have no shame.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Been there done that is right. Careful Ron, Johhny and Wayne – it’s all about to come crumbling down alright. So funny how you think some are on your side, when they aren’t. Some defect by staying ‘in the fold’, but are actually undermining you the whole time. You don’t know who they are. Hilarious.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Hahahahaha, all that fantasy march’n around to make Jericho fall, ( how dumb that is ), and all the while, all its done is make the evil CoG-PIG* teeter on collapse. ( *Ooops PKG )
    Stupid, stupid and stupider ! …… Whats it like having Wayne sniffing around on every move you make ? Whats it like having to take orders from a criminal doing serious time ?
    Whats it like having no control over your life ? Herbie don’t care, he’s just a rotten box full of dried pus and bones by now !
    Ron got his snout caught in the trough, and everyones desperately trying to ‘cover’ for the ‘ol FOOL ! Pity, pity bloody pathetic pity ! 😀

  • Rterlecki says:

    🙂

  • Jocko says:

    Even though Ron is locked away tight at Club Fed he may not be as isolated as some may think he is. With the “trulincs” system (The trust fund limited inmate computer system) qualifying inmates can communicate with the outside world electronically without having access to the actual internet.

    There is a five cent per minute charge to use the system and all messages are read by FBOP staff.

  • Glad I'm Free says:

    At five cent / minute, Ron might want to take typing lessons for speed. One more way to spend the money. My husband will follow Ron to the ends. He is so convinced that he is right, if Ron told him to jump off the roof, God is returning tomorrow, so don’t worry if your hurt, he would. He said as much last year. I told him he would have now almost spent a year in wheel chair, from his injuries. He is so convinced it will happen, he doesn’t care about anything. Is starting to get depressed, but still no doubts that Ron is correct.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Too bad the Trulincs system doesn’t have an “auto-unstupid-ing” function like Auto Correct!

    Ron’s e-mails would be reduced to just a series of “and”-s!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is another little nugget of stupidity form Weinland:

    “There is not a more prophetic time for fulfillment than right now. There has never been and there will never be a time for more prophecy to be fulfilled than what will be completed in this end-time.”

    LOL!!

    1. There is NOT a more prophetic time…UNTIL Ron’s prophecies fail and the NEXT false prophecy makes the next time “more” prophetic.
    2. There has NEVER been a time for more prophecy to be fulfilled. Oh yeah? How about when JESUS CHRIST said he would return in the lifetime of some of his followers!!?!

    Weinland is a liar, false prophet, thief and a human toilet…

  • bilbo says:

    GladI’mFree unfortunately there has been masterfully done conditioning that when Ron opens his mouth it is the grand maker of the entire universe speaking, and you are committing the highest crimes imaginable if you wander from that premise. It can be very hard to break. Especially when there is desperation for it to be true even in the face of contrary evidence.

    Some places in the world are very screwed up yes, but there have been opportunists taking advantage of that for ever. Look at the carelessness, deceit, and mind control, and note that God is not doing anything at all to back this “prophesy”. I know some people that would be overwhelmed for this to turn out fake so they have to keep pretending. Ron writes some more scary guilt trip letters and it gets cemented even more.

    There are some know it alls who just want to follow Ron like a celebrity.

    There are some who are hostage to their conditioning and cant imagine facing family with embarassment, or how they will worship God, or feel crazy guilty for starting to save or start a family or get more education or go back to work…

    Hope it works good for you somehow.

  • LeftAtLast says:

    “The whole teaching of Christ in this is in Matthew 25:31-46. “For I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in, being naked you clothed me, and being sick you visited me. I was in prison and you came unto me” (Mat. 25:35-36). Jesus was asked, by those who were living righteously, about when they had done such things unto him: “The King shall answer unto you, ‘In as much as you have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me’” (vs. 40).”

    Wow, THIS hit a major button…right, Ron. Where were you when my kids and I were living with an alcoholic abuser? You knew it and didn’t lift a finger. What a jerk.

    Cha cha, you hit the nail on the head with your response.

    Avalo, I am cheering. How anyone can refute the evidence, directly quoted from Ron’s books, that failed, failed, failed. By your works shall you know them, for crying out loud!

    Douglas – excellent point..they, and only they, have the power to get out..and need to do it themselves! (Books came yesterday; a letter is on the way to you).

    Glad I’m Free – When confronted with yet another failed prophecy – but if you don’t swallow the ‘new truth, new date, new explaining away’ you’re going into the lake of fire and committing the unpardonable sin..it’s enough to cause depression in anybody! I really feel for him.

    Bilbo – what you said about the concerns pkg’s have, those questions arise. But once you’re out, you pull up your boot straps and get to actually LIVE. Everything is an option and the only constraints are those you put on yourself. You actually get to choose what you want to be and how you want to live, without anyone telling you what you must do. You’re free, and life is what YOU decide to make it!

    And that’s the whole difference 😀

  • newguy says:

    Anyone want to guess what ron’s new “truth” will be for why nothing will happen in may? Here is my prediction. Jesus will actually return on trumpts this year. The time between penticost and trumpets is the prophetic one hour of destruction referenced in revalations. Id put money on this also. Id love to hear peoples ideas because ron is really backing himself into a wall with these timelines.

  • J says:

    It will either be next year’s Pentecost or sometime after he’s out of prison.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I agree with J. In my estimation, Ron will have another date for Christ’s return, and it will be on a Pentecost.

  • Rterlecki says:

    He will have everyone fast , then he will tell them god put it off tell he is out of prison and these nut will believe him

  • chacha says:

    Glad I’m Free

    my husband went through a major depression and had to be hospitalized when Ron had him so confused and upset with all of his “what-ifs”. He was putting everything he had (literally) into the church and was rewarded with doubt and confusion and debt and depression! It was a hard road out but we made it out. I gave my husband support, but let him make the decision that he needed to make. I told him I was leaving the Church and why and he had to work out his feelings. Ron’s arrest after not “giving to Caesar what is Caesar’s” after we had given everything to Ron what was…god’s??? In the end, it stopped making sense. It is hard for someone to admit that they have been lied to…AND that they believed it and then CONTINUED to believe it…

    We are with you and hope that it works out…We hope he starts to realize how much he is hurting himself. All you can do is be there when he wakes from the pkg nightmare.
    Hang in there…Christ will not return again soon…

  • LeftAtLast says:

    Thinking Ron will choose a Pentacost, because I’ve heard that tossed around before.

  • Only 4 more days until Income Tax returns are due to be sent.

    Hope Laura has ’em in — or at least has filed an extension.

    Even with an extension, you still have to pay if you owe.

    Aren’t 2009 to 2012 taxes due to be filed for “PKG Non Prophet”?

  • Frank says:

    Basically everything he said in his sermons and posted on his blog to back up his lies is some kind of logical fallacy. Every kind of logical fallacy you can think of… he used it. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/home