All That Equity

With all the events surrounding the sentencing of False Prophet Ronald Weinland and having a life of my own, I neglected to check on Ron’s property tax payment.  Even though dawn was about to break in the great and terrible Day of the Lord, Ron still paid his property taxes this year in a timely fashion, even getting a 2% discount.  This even though Christ will again return next year really for sure this time next May, well in advance of when he would be evicted for non payment.  Well, it would actually be Laura as Ron will be living the life of ease in Club Fed.  It’s interesting to note that Audra is still in the middle of Ron’s financial dealings, having apparently written the check.

When I visited the Boone County administration building in Burlington on the day of Ron’s sentencing, I also found some interesting facts about Ron’s financial dealings.  I was able to pull up records of Ron’s financing of his mansion on the golf course.

On February 18, 2005, a mortgage for $300,000 was made on his house.  He sold his house in Toledo two months later and may have applied equity from that sale against the mortgage.  This mortgage amount was under 80% of the original tax appraisal of $381,000.  Being under 80% loan-to-value, the mortgage lender allowed Ron to pay property tax directly to the county instead of requiring him to deposit monthly into an impound fund with the lender.

On October 27, 2010, he refinanced his house for $267,100.  Probably he did this to get a lower interest rate, and with a lowered principal.  This new mortgage amount is about 75% of the current (lowered) property tax appraisal of $357,000, which may itself be higher than the appraisal used for the financing.

After the Feast of Tabernacles in 2007 and Last Great Day Total Resolve sermon in which he announced stepped-up advertising for his books, Ron and Laura went on their 10-day Total Resolve Mediterranean Cruise.  During his first sermon following his return, Ron made the following statements:

  • “is it Total Resolve, or 50% resolve”?
  • “what we do have the ability to do, we’d better do it… We’d better think about what we can do”
  • “We’re trying to get a second mortgage right now. “
  • “And now I want to get that money that we put in there , because we put a pretty good chunk in there, for our equity, to have a lower interest rate, a lower payment.  So we tossed a whole bunch of equity from another house … we’ve been very blessed over the years.”

After suggesting that seniors get reverse mortgages because they would not be able to pass anything to their grandchildren, he said that he didn’t care about anyone’s attitudes who would point out where he lived and the car he drives (BMW). These statements are in his sermon of October 27, 2007 beginning at around 37 minutes into the  sermon recording and continuing on for about 10 minutes. If you can stomach listening to Ron, you can start earlier in the sermon at around 23 minutes where he describes sending in second tithe since there wouldn’t be an organized feast in 2008.

In his first sermon of 2008, he mentioned that Laura was visiting a bank about refinancing their house, and that the Weinlands were determined to get the equity out.  {Starting around 53 minutes into the sermon recording for Jan 5, 2008).

So while Ron was suggesting that his members send in their life savings, he and his family were on a spending spree, buying 3 BMWs, going on cruises and vacationing in Hawaii and Las Vegas, and otherwise living an affluent lifestyle above their declared income of $70,800. But they were NOT getting all that equity out of their house.

Total Resolve, huh?

65 Comments

  • I vote 0% resolve.

  • Rterlecki says:

    27 more days asshole, good bye, and good rittens I hope his bitch isn’t to far behind I’ve been waiting 4-5 years for this 27 more days ain’t nothing

  • What a great character study of what happens when a person with no integrity meets a situation with no accountability.

  • Rterlecki says:

    He can talk all the shit he wants but the asshole is going to prison 01/02/2013. U can full some of the people, some of the time but not all of the people all the time asshole.

  • gullible says:

    Don’t forget everyone … when ron paid $3747 in February 2012, he forgot to tell everyone that he DID NOT believe Jesus was returning on the 27th May, but continued the charade anyway to 27th May, and extended his contract for another year.
    Otherwise, he would not have bothered to pay.
    I’m guessing he may receive some penalty or need to pay interest if he didn’t pay, but who cares, being “total resolved” as ron is, Jesus’ return would eliminate any penalty or interest too.
    If PKGers hasn’t decyphered it yet – it’s 0% resolve, so even 10% (first tithes only) resolve is still too much as you can’t get ahead of your master.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    All That Equity ? The falsifying of a property value, on a Stat. Dec. or any other legal document down here , would get you a mandatory jail term, and a $50,000 fine.
    Seems Ron, would stop at nothing to avoid paying a few dollars on a property settlement tax, or land tax, whatever, ……. yet at the same time , tries to cheat people out of leaving their assets to their next-of-kin etc; ……. has’nt he already done huge damage to those family relationships already ? Asking elderly folks to ‘reverse mortgage’ their property , and leave the remainder to his ‘Church’ , is’nt total resolve, its total reprehensibility …….and the lowest of the low , in business practice. I wonder if the Weinland’s, are paying Joyce’s property tax bills ( if applic.), or her water, or council rates ? Seeing she was so generous in putting her home up as a surity for ‘ol Bubble-head ? I’ll bet Ron’s ‘total resolve’ does’nt stretch to that ?

  • gullible says:

    ron claims to know the truth, but his life proves otherwise. ron often reminds how much greater the sin is when PKGers sins compared to non-PKGers, as they know the truth. In the same vein, ron should see himself worst then all other criminals in the world, as other criminals don’t know the truth like ron does.
    However, ron doesn’t seem to care, as ron’s god can always forgive him later.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    What Ron does ( to good people ) , is UNFORGIVEABLE ! The thing in all this is , he knows what he says is bulls&it, and so do ( I suspect ) his clan members ……. his stuff goes beyond resonable intellegence, and maybe, they’re so stunned by his depths he sinks in lying to them, they just can’t resist, to catch-up with the latest installment ? Kinda like a corny T.V. show ? Ya hate it, but ya just have to see how stupid the next episode is going to be ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Message to the PKG:

    Does a man of God tell YOU to give everything up, then go on luxury trips after his failed prophecies leave you bankrupt? Does a man of god ask you for everything, and then when the prophecy fails say that your troubles are between you and God…like Ron has?

    Really?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    This just keeps getting worse. It’s blatently obvious that IF Ron the Con ever believed his own BS, he stopped at some point. The evil of not only Ron but his entire family is just horrific. This just takes the cake.

  • James says:

    Amazingly stupid people who follow this man. Utterly amazing!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Not stupid, but stubborn. I’ve heard from more than one relation that my website is “all lies. All lies.”

  • Jetsetter says:

    They say your site is all lies and more than likely never looked at it as Ron tells them not to look at things like this…They dont want to face the trueth and see how distructive and lying wonder and a creep Ron is

  • Jetsetter says:

    By the way Mike you do an amazing job..appreciate it

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Amazing how the truth is “lies” to them.

    1. Ron ISN’T going to jail?
    2. Jesus returned in 2011?
    3. jesus returned in 2012?
    4. Did Mike die four years ago?
    5. The Asian Hordes rampaged before 2012?

    Legal documents submitted by RON HIMSELF (marriage license/tax forms) prove that he is lying. These are not things that the government invented. Ron’s SIGNATURE is on all of them. Books authored by RON prove he is wrong. recorded sermons and radio interviews by RON prove he is lying. EVERY SINGLE THING that proves he is wrong comes from HIM, not Mike or the government.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks, Jetsetter. It’s been an amazing time, now on my 5th year blogging. Hope PKG falls apart well before I finish my 6th.

  • James says:

    I have to say Mike that you have done an amazing job exposing the felonious Ron Weinland! May he rot in jail!

  • YYZ says:

    What would you think if your parents said they were God’s final witnesses, then led you to believe(maybe, mabe not) that the world as we know it will be destroyed and the witnesses will be killed then brought back to life?…would you buy into it?

  • YYZ says:

    …or do they accept it’s the family business and say “whatever” and go along with the luxury life.

    All things being equal, the simplest answer is usually the right one

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    From YYZ : What would you think if your parents said they were God’s final witnesses, then led you to believe(maybe, mabe not) that the world as we know it will be destroyed and the witnesses will be killed then brought back to life?…would you buy into it?

    I would call the cops, then a psychiatrist ……. ( for them ), would’nt buy it at all …… but I guess I would spend the money ……. and just tell everyone , they died ! 😀

  • Charlie says:

    Seems to me that Douglas Becker summed up the entirety of Ron’s ministry succinctly and eloquently.

  • YYZ says:

    I do feel more sorrow for those that are born into it.

  • Atrocious says:

    It is more and more obvious that RW is in it for the paycheck; for the affluent lifestyle, the greed of having more and more, and the prestige of living in a “golf course” community. I now believe that he never believed any of his own bullsh!t. He’s totally self serving at the expense and misery of his followers, who turn a blind eye to his shenanigans for whatever reason. I have total contempt for RW and his ilk, and the fact that he continues with his bullsh!t even when proven guilty of all that he’s accused of…well…it just turns my stomach. I yearn for the day when RW would totally repent, fess up, and pay back all that he has stolen from his followers, near and far. As far as I can see, that won’t happen.

  • Is it just me, or does Laura look a little like Michael West’s mother on Burn Notice?

  • bags juror #199 says:

    The court room made it perfectly clear he is in it for the money & nothing else. He could care less about his followers. The ONLY CONCERN Ron has is that they continue to SEND MONEY for him to blow. He is a pig!

    He’s just a kind of guy you want to punch in the face as soon as you look at him. Ron is an arrogant piece of shit.

    Think about it for a minute. All he has to do is belch out some make believe voodoo bullshit for maybe an hour or two a week and massive amounts of money arrive into the Cincinnati, Ohio P.O. box for Audra to pick up and deposit.

    All of these deplorable pigs know what is going on. They are con-artists enjoying the fruits of others hard work. Scammers!

    The only thing that makes it remotely legal is that he disguises his scam as a church and/or religion. They need to bring back the witch hunts and burn these people at the stake.

    If I went out and collected a bunch of money on false promises and work not followed through I would have some major legal problems. They put scammers into jail, but if you say it is a church well then go right ahead and steal from others. Perfectly fine!

    There is absolutely nothing moral nor religious about these PIGS named Weinland. I do hope there is a God and Ron rots in hell. If not I hope that nasty bitch Karma nails him!

  • bags juror #199 says:

    Budgie Smugglers,

    I agree on the tuning in to see the next episode. It is entertaining just to watch this unbelievable Horse s**t! Ole Bubble Head makes a better cartoon character though. He could star in Looney Tunes with Bugs Bunny! The bastard does kinda look like a bald fat little Elmer Fud.

  • bags juror #199 says:

    I taught I saw dumb ass with a bank account. I did I did!

  • bags juror #199 says:

    What hacks me off is that he takes advantage of people whom, in their minds, are trying to do the right thing. As I have said before, I have more respect for an out right thief and a liar than I do for Weinland. So Ron ranks below a zero. His Clan is sub-par too.

    He has found a loop hole in the U.S. legal system and it is called religion. There should be exceptions so the law can bust these crooks and put them out of business. They are a disgrace to any religion / moral code real or fictional. My personal belief is that churches are “do gooder” country clubs. The Baptist want to point the finger at the Catholics. The Catholics point at the Methodist. The Methodist point at the Jews. The Jews at the Muslim etc; etc; etc; Most wars are a direct result of religious conflicts. It’s all a bunch of Horse Shit! (Kentucky for B.S.)

    Ya know, I do feel for these folks getting abused by wRONg, but at the same time if they are blind enough to follow then let them. It’s not like he is breaking and entering to steal from them and if they want to continue to be screwed by Rotten Ronnie then maybe they like it.
    Although my experience with them and the whole mess is nothing but some time in court as a juror, there is compassion and empathy for those that were guided into that whole COG-PKG fairy tale especially those as children. Also for the lives and families destroyed. TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!

    If you are an adult who gets pulled in then you have no one to blame but yourself but do not beat yourself up about it. Many chose to gamble at the casinos, while others throw money away at strip clubs etc; The sheeple chose to throw it away at Ron’s LIE’S! To each their own, it is said. Does it make it right? NO!!!

    I am happy that I was able to meet Mike(DDTFA) so I can put a face on this and he shared his experience with the whole voodoo magical COG thing. He was a pleasant and kind man and I have a great deal of respect for him doing this blog and trying to air it out to help others. That is highly commendable. I even wanted to pay for his breakfast and he insisted that he paid for mine so he did. Thank You again Mike and I wish nothing but the best for you. Keep fighting the good fight!

    I guess at this point I feel as if I have a bond with some of you all here. That is a positive thing.

    Kirrily,

    I am happy for you and others the fact that you had the back bone and stamina to take that positive step and get away from the mess. I saw a photo of your child. Lovely! I have three of my own. That’s what is important. That’s what this life is all about. Screw all the nut jobs and their madness and their F’ed up predictions. They are lunatics! Worry about what is right for you and yours. Piss on the rest.

    If I had a family member tied in with Ronnie he would be getting an up close and personal visit from myself. It would not be pretty.

  • FedUp says:

    For a long time I have wondered if Ron was knowingly perpetrating a fraud or was truly delusional. He wouldn’t be the first COG leader to slip into some weird egomaniacal form of insanity. The simple act of paying his property taxes when Christ’s return should have made it unnecessary has finally brought me down firmly on the side of fraud. This guy has always known exactly what he was doing. No more lingering doubts for this casual observer.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Bags u are so right my mother is a great person, just this asshole and his bitch have her brain washed. It tears me up she is weak minded and hard headed Ron is a crook

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Speaking of equity, do God’s final EX-Witnesses get a retirement and medical plan, ….. that’s out-a this world ? 😀 Hahahahaha
    Final Witnesses is right ! ” Geez Laura, we better not, try that on, ever again ” !
    About the only thing they Witnessed, was their favorite television shows, and the latest ‘Trendie-set’ , and coffee menus at Starbucks ! Oh yeah, and thousands of cheques.

    And bags juror #199, you’ve said it all bloke ! But instead of Elmer Fudd, I thought he was more like Foghorn-leghorn, and Laura Mrs. Prissy ? …….. that’s it ! Ron reminds me of a huge chichen, with a big mouth ? Hahahahaha

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Thanks Bags! Corey is nearly 10 months old now, love him to bits 🙂

  • martin says:

    I almost hope that that coward Ronald makes a run for it.

    And that widow gets her house impounded.

    And Laura gets her bank account frozen and her diamonds and jewelry seized.

    Maybe his followers would see what kind of person Ronald Weinland really is…..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    That’s the thing, Martin:

    They have actually seen what kind of person Ron really is. Ron is a liar by his own word. He signed a legal document saying his daughter was married in the US, which she wasn’t. He said only false prophets who are in it for the money don’t repent after their EXACT prophecies come true. His book 2008-GFW is wrong by his own writing and failed prophecies, he signed the fraudulent tax forms, etc.

    They have seen EXACTLY who he is, just like we have. The difference is they don’t want to believe the truth.

  • Jetsetter says:

    Hahaha Budgy Smuggler so so true well put <<I have been thinking something along those ,lines everytime I get on here a read more info,Mike seems to be able to pull up….This TV series would sell LOL
    Bags juror also must say weel said too…
    You know I hear alot about Ron on here and I agree with all of it…BUt I must say Laura is evil also…Its her that has a way with people and many are drawn to her , not so with Ron as far as when people mix with them…Hes not that great to talk with, But Laura has the personality that people get drawn too…I dont think if it wasnt for her also they may not have as many following…I feel she needs some more bad Karma to come her way..

  • Laurie P. says:

    Wow. Paid the taxes on his house, aye? I don’t listen to the sermons, so don’t keep up with the new bull. But reading on here about Ron going after the elderly with reverse mortgages? Having people hand over their assets to pkg when they die and leave their own flesh and blood without? Hand all control of the money over to the “Board” that has only one member..Ron? Decree they stay off Facebook and say any site that might expose the truth about what’s going on is lies, when the truth can be found and is clear? Just do as they’re told because God Ron said so. As for the results of their blind obedience, they’re on their own. That kind of control is bloody brilliant, and pure evil. But it’s as bags jurror 199# says..I do feel for these folks getting abused by wRONg, but at the same time if they are blind enough to follow then let them. I’m glad I’m well away from it, and thankful the courts got hold of the ugly mess. Anyone wanting to know the truth is supposed to look for it. To verify it for themselves. But if the pkg had only looked, even to verify, they would realise they’ve proved the opposit.

  • New Guy says:

    Mike, while you usually always offer great content I feel this post is pointless because there is really no equity for Ron to pull from his house. Lenders do not lend at 100% of the appraised value of a home. Most lenders will only go up to 80% loan to value (LTV), and only a few lenders will do 90% LTV. Also, Tax assessed values are never accurate, but only a ball park estimate. A full appraisal would probably be within 30,000 of the assessed value. The second issue is that I’m sure he has a very high Debt to Credit ratio because he likes to max out his high limit credit cards. And by reporting such a low income on his taxes, I confident he would also have a high debt to income ratio. So with all this revolving “church” debt in his personal name and not reporting the proper income, I feel it would be difficult to get a bank to offer him more revolving debt through a second mortgage.

    Is it possible? Yes, with the right lender. But it would not be an easy loan and it would not be as much as you would think. I can tell you this because I’m in banking.

  • Really, the IRS should make the contributions to the PKG unclaimable as charitable exemptions. I’m not certain Weinland has violated the provisions of being a Tax Exempt organization technically, but it certainly would make sense to cancel the status.

    At that point, it would help drive home to the PKG that this is not even a Tax Exempt organization that they can claim on their Income Tax: More reality hitting them in the pocketbook might cause them to have pause….

  • Atrocious says:

    Douglas, nothing will cause them to have pause. RW thinks, in his unfathomable arrogance, that he’s right in everything; that he’s infallible and “all that”…nothing will phase him. Even when he’s behind bars he’ll think he’s special and “set apart” from the others there. If God Himself would come down and stare him face to face, RW would call Him a liar. Unbelievable!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    New Guy, the points you raise may be valid ones. But if true, then why did he tell his church that he was going to do it?

    Also, by that time his equity was larger than indicated as he had proceeds from the sale of his home in Toledo made after the $300,000 note issued in 2005.

    So I’m still calling BS on Ron.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Amen mike

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Gee, for such a comitted man of God, who’s convinced his clan followers, that he is the only one to get them a pass to eternal life in God’s family, he sure does lie alot, in fact , the harder you look at him, the least redeeming factors you can find in him ?

    It astounds & bewilders me, how those folks can place such trust in a bloke, that can ( easily ) tell more lies than a hooker at a debutante’s ball ! 😀

  • Maybe Weinland gets his ideas from “Pulpit Pimping for Dummies: A Reference for Those Who Aren’t as Anointed — 5th Edition”.

    From a satisfied user: “Now you too can have a large home, luxury cars, gold, diamonds, travel to Europe and many other perks. Let the rules that many mega-pastors use to help you gain money and a following.”

    Take your ministry to the next level. Walk in divine prosperity. Get the break through you keep promising the sheeple. Drive the best cars, live in the biggest house, fly the best planes and patronize the best restaurants.

    The Dummies guide tells you how to convince people to give you more money than they can afford to give you. But not only that, it teaches you how to make those people to think you are doing them a favor by taking the money. We give you the secrets for convincing people to pay you their tithes BEFORE they pay their rent or electric bill. Do you want to make people financially dependent on you? We’ll tell you how.

    You want to be worshiped as if you are the Christ? The Dummies guide teaches you how to walk, talk, and threaten so that even the most stubborn (though stupid) sheeple will be willing to quote you rather than the Bible.
    Are there people in your congregation who regularly disagree with you and base that disagreement on an accurate understanding of Scripture? The Dummies guide gives you foolproof instructions on how get them out of your congregation and how to make the sheeple believe they are being obedient to God when they turn their backs on the rebel.

    There’s even a special Scumbag section that has tons of information on how the best of the scumbags get away with sexual harassment and abuse, spanking, raping, incest and just plain fooling around with some of the Gospel groupies. We tell you how to intimidate folks to keep silent, what Scriptures to use to keep the sheeple thinking they should feel bad about doubting whatever you tell them, and how to make sure you are repeating “touch not God’s anointed” often enough to be effective but not often enough to lessen the impact.

  • Atrocious says:

    Sure sounds like it. Sounds like he read the whole book…er…studied the whole book. Heh, it’s probably falling apart from repeated use – dog-eared, stained and ripped. NOW we all know, don’t we?

  • Atrocious, for all we know, he wrote it.

  • Atrocious says:

    There ya go.

  • martin says:

    According to Ronald the convicted felon Weinland, the Great Tribulation came and passed.

    AND THE MEMBERS SWALLOWED THIS HORSE MANURE WITHOUT EVEN BATTING AN EYELASH.

    So the Great Tribulation for Weinland involved luxury cruises, traversing the globe first class to different and exotic vacation locations, buying BMW’s like they were going out of style, purchasing expensive paintings and expensive jewelry

    ??????????????????

    Hello, PKGers……where is are your brain cells?

  • gullible says:

    About the only thing they Witnessed … and coffee menus at Starbucks ! …

    ron would be happy to know that his favourite coffee place, Starbucks, have similar charecteristic to him when it comes to tax avoidance http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/12/starbucks-tax-avoidance-controversy

    You would think that ron’s god would tell him not to make purchases in Starbucks, ron being gifted/inspired with foresight, would certainly know that on the same month (Nov 2012) that gods formidable prophet is sentenced to 42 months will be the same month in which Starbucks tax avoidance to be revealed.

    But ron would humbly say that he was not permitted to reveal these to anyone, despite him knowing. This is part of his job (to not reveal) and let it happen so that ron can give his (false) explanation. (Another part of his job is to reveal, but only to reveal false things). Or perhaps ron will just blame Starbucks and coffee that brought him his bad luck on what otherwise would have been an excellent scam run. They got caught, he got caught!

  • gullible says:

    …BUt I must say Laura is evil also…Its her that has a way with people and many are drawn to her…

    ron mentions a number of times how HWA’s wife has special ability to judge other people’s character protecting her husband from possible evil. When she’s no longer around HWA did not have that special protection received from his wife.

    In the same vein, I’m guessing Laura has been specially assigned by ron to take on a similar role as HWA’s wife, screening every members personality/characteristic, and relay her findings to ron.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    HERE IS A DRIECT QUOTE FROM RON’S LATEST SERMON (tangents edited):

    “Some have had some questions… concerning the analogy of going around Jericho and the seven times on the seventh period there, again, akin to the examples of things in Revelation just like with six seals there are seven trumpets and uh, of course the seven trumpets being a part of the last… and then with the seven trumpets on the seventh one there are seven last plagues… so God works in that regard and that manner with some of the analogies and things he gives to us… and, I do want to make it crystal clear again that the first trumpet has been a continuation from the very beginning in December 14th of 2008, an ongoing process until things happen on a more massive scale, that a process has continued on especially with the economy and here are some articles in that relationship…and as I have always said we still await the second trumpet, and we don’t know when it’s going to be…”

    1. There are not six Seals, there are seven. Ron has got his theology wrong.

    2. The Jericho example Ron used was NOT an analogy. he spoke it like it was a direct prophetic tie-in in terms of timing. He is now trying lying about his own prophecies YET AGAIN.

    3. Ron’s theology is now completely off-track in terms of his ‘sevens’ because the last three events of the Sixth Trumpet are THE WITNESSES who die (Rev 11: 7-10), and are resurrected (Rev 11:11-14). How can there be a Sixth Trumpet without the Witnesses? In order to do that you have to change the literal wording of the Bible, which goes against God and won’t be in the Kingdom (Rev 22: 18-19).

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG:

    How can the Witnessing be OVER when it is the final series of events in the 6TH TRUMPET? Ron himself says the Second Trumpet hasn’t blown, yet the final events of the Sixth Trumpet have already happened?

    The ONLY way you can make the 6th trumpet events happen BEFORE the 2nd trumpet is if you CHANGE THE BIBLE…which the BIBLE says will cost you your SALVATION.

    Ron has changed the TIMING and the MEANING of Revelation

    Revelation 22:18-19

    “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.”

    RONALD WEINLAND IS GOING TO JAIL FOR FRAUD, AND HAS CHANGED THE TIMING AND THE EVENTS OF THE BIBLE TO SUIT HIS MULTIPLE FALSE PROPHECIES…

    WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Yay Avalo !, thats exactly what I was alluding to ……. you have nailed it exactly, with a sort of ‘legal’ style cross-examination …… Kool 😀
    When will Ron notice the preface warning of Rev’s, In my bible anyway, KJV (revised), It warns AGAINST preaching on its ( Rev’s ) contents ! Like instinct, it goes on to say, those for whom it is written, will understand it, without the need of learning it, & or, teaching it !
    Atrocious : I have emailed Mike 😀

  • I think that Weinland’s prophecy has been preempted by last night’s Syfy documentary, “The 12 Disasters of Christmas”. It succeeds as a documentary, but if it would suffer in the reviews if it were really a commercial movie for entertainment purposes.

    It has all of Weinland’s prime scenarios and more, being as it were, based on the vague non prophecies of the Aztecs (who may have disappeared but have left a chain of Azteca Restaurants). It satisfies because it both debunks a lot of myth and creates its own truths at the same time.

    This teen and her father are experiencing unusual experiences in their little town for no particularly good reason that anyone can see, like birds dropping dead, the faucets running hot and cold blood instead of water and icicles from space randomly piercing people at an angle through the chest, killing them more or less instantly. It was a nice touch to have the magic tornado suck up all the Christmas trees on a Christmas tree lot and see the plastic Santa sleigh swoop up as though delivering xmas presents to good little girls and boys. I don’t think the sleigh survived the trip.

    The secret in stopping the end of the world is five rings, as in the five rings in “The Twelve Days of Christmas” song — perpetrated by the Aztecs a thousand years ago, just so that some lucky female descendent contaminated with European blood line would be able to suss out where the rings are and how to use them (put them on the fingers — DUH!). It isn’t clear from the documentary whether or not she was supposed to be a virgin or not. I wish we had more details.

    Anyway, just as every good documentary should have, there was a know-it-all civic leader / businessman out to put in a retail warehouse that would make the place a ghost town (not that the closing of the mine already didn’t do that) / religious leader who just KNEW — absolutely KNEW — from the Book of Revelation and the book the Aztecs left behind with the magic medallion, that the girl wearing the rings had to be sacrificed in order to stop the last 5 disasters. It turns out he was wrong, and he was dissolved into ice crystals by the exploding steam vent from the ground (well, it could be a volcanic vent, that wasn’t clear either), but he managed to shoot the girl’s dad in the shoulder with a revolver before being liquidated (the dad’s son / girl’s brother thought dad was “Bad Ass!” whatever that means).

    It should be noted that the milquetoast mayor of the town who seemed to be short a dozen fries of a Happy Meal and who was the stupid Myrmidon of the Protagonist guy, got his by sparking electrified string of whipping xmas tree lights, where he was struck and promptly turned to so much electric ice dust.

    The force shield covering the town from the earth sort of trying to correct itself from the human infestation not only did magical things to cut off all electronic communications to the outside world, but woe to anyone or anything that crossed the barriers. The two helicopters from the National Guard turned into pixilated ice rectangles and dissolved satisfyingly into more ice crystal dust.

    Finding one of the rings in the abandoned mine was really a nice touch. Those Aztecs were really clever at hiding things.

    In the end, all was well, but we do suggest the girl go to Nordstrom’s to get some clothes, since the column of fire (as in some sort of Moses at the Red Sea thing) didn’t just stop the disasters, but burned off her clothes without so much as scorching her. The town survived minus some really bad guys, but it looked all good, if you consider natural selection as an evolutionary tactic.

    It was all so satisfying and I would recommend it, especially if: You are tired of reading Ron’s books and need something more visual; you want something more realistic than his false prophecies; you enjoy dark witty humor (sadly lacking from Weinland); and you want to know what’s coming over the next 12 days.

    Future documentaries rock… unless they are recommended by Dr. Robert Thiel.

  • martin says:

    Ronald the imbecile Weinland, will be forced yet again, to shrink wrap the tribulation and any and all remaining trumpets down to 24 hours.

    He will be forced to do this, because he is a false prophet and a thief and a liar and an imbecile.

    The PKGer’s will accept it, because to reject it, means that they were wrong, and their massive collective ego and pride will prevent this.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I am curious to see how Ron will explain the Witnesses NOT doing their job at the time of the Sixth trumpet, now that he has lied and told everyone that He was a Witness and not even the Second Trumpet has blown yet in his timeline. If God is at the top of a “government” then then government is a hoax because “God” (Ron) isn’t managing it it at all well. Seriously, would you trust a government that promises spiritual rewards then NEVER gives them out, all the while the politicians make grand speeches and promises?

    Not even Ron’s first “official” act as a Witness (to utter a death curse against us) happened. Either God’s government is weak, stupid, and useless…or Ronald Weinland is a false prophet…

  • martin says:

    Avalokiteshvara said
    “3. Ron’s theology is now completely off-track in terms of his ‘sevens’ because the last three events of the Sixth Trumpet are THE WITNESSES who die (Rev 11: 7-10), and are resurrected (Rev 11:11-14). How can there be a Sixth Trumpet without the Witnesses? In order to do that you have to change the literal wording of the Bible, which goes against God and won’t be in the Kingdom (Rev 22: 18-19). ”

    Shh…..I won’t tell anybody you’re an atheist.

    It’s a shame when an atheist has more biblical understanding than one of The Two Witnesses.

    Let’s see…..

    According to the bible:
    Rev 11:11 And after three days and a half, a spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet. And great fear fell on those seeing them.
    Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from Heaven saying to them, Come up here. And they went up to Heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them.
    Rev 11:13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of the city fell. And seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the rest were frightened and gave glory to the God of Heaven.
    Rev 11:14 The second woe passed away. Behold, the third woe comes quickly.
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded.

    At the end of the 3 1/2 years…..
    Their enemies
    1) Watched them ascend into the clouds (Ron did not do this, if he had taken a plane to Jerusalem and back to America, he could have lucked out and said this fulfilled the verse, when the plane went back up into the sky, but no, he chickened out).
    2) THAT SAME HOUR….in other words, this event doesn’t happen down the line….but that SAME HOUR after watching them arise, an earthquake kills 7000 people.
    3) At that point (that hour, not some time down the line) The second woe has BEEN FULFILLED. (Rev 11:14)
    The Second Woe is the 200 millian man army from the East that over runs and kills 1/3 of the earth on their march towards Jerusalem.

    At NO LATER THAN ONE HOUR, after the end of the 3 1/2 year commision of the Two Witnesses….we have…the Second Woe COMPLETED.
    The second Woe is the same as the 6th TRUMPET (Revelation 9:12-13)

    Here a quick summary
    5th trumpet = 1st Woe (Bottomless pit opened)
    6th trumpet = 2nd Woe (200 millian man army)
    7th trumpet = 3rd Woe (Return of Christ + 7 Last Vials)

    Ronand did not fulfill points #1 or #2 above, nor was #3 fulfilled

  • martin says:

    As Avalokiteshvara has correctly pointed out…..
    The second woe occurs at about the same time as the death of the two witnesses, whether it occurs slightly before or at the same time, is irrelevant, because NO LATER THAN 1 HOUR after their resurrection, the 2nd Woe is HISTORY and A COMPLETELY FULFILLED PROPHECY. (Rev 11:14)

  • OK, Martin, how long is an hour?

  • martin says:

    60 minutes……

    (*** rim shot ***)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Baaapppp!!

    Correct answer is: as long as Ron needs it to be.

  • Martin, the writers of the Old Testament and the New Testament (ostensibly) did not have any way to divide hours into minutes. Accurate timepieces were invented many centuries later. Scripture may say “the third hour” but we can’t know precisely what that means in terms of modern time pieces.

    Mike takes the rim shot for the win.

    And that means one thing: Don’t ever buy a clock or watch from Ronald Weinland — you’ll either be too early, too late or not exist at all.

  • martin says:

    Yes, I suppose I would agree about the minutes, but in the NT they certainly could divide the days into hours…..(ie John 11:9 among other scriptures)

    How did the average person determine the hour of the day in NT times? By sundial? Sand-glass? I would have to look it up.

    John 11:9
    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

    The point is that “wiggle room” for extending an hour into days or months is not there in this particular verse.
    Not unless you want an earthquake stretching out for days or weeks….and the killing of 7000 stretching out for days or weeks.
    With earthquakes, the initial shock is very quick, and there may be aftershocks…..but it does not go on for days or weeks.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The Bible According to Ronald Weinland, in this EXACT chronological order as prophesied by GOD:

    1. 2008 is God’s Final Warning.
    2. The Witnesses do their work then finish.
    3. The Sixth trumpet blows.
    4. The car is invented.
    5. North is actually blue, and south is left.
    7. the 11th Commandement states its OK to steal from the government by lying on an official document and signing your name to it.
    14. Moses chases the Egyptians from the Red Sea into Egypt where the Pharoah then give the israelites jobs as brick makers.
    17. The car is invented.
    19. Food is invented.
    21. jesus Christ returns.
    28. Jesus is born.
    23. Moses is born.
    24. The Second Trumpet blows.
    25. The First trumpet blows.
    28. Now give me your tithes because I’m God’s prophet…

  • Martin, I was just being funny — time is meaningless to Weinland, unless you count the time he will do in prison (I wonder if he will be counting the hours?).

    PKG Members: Give Weinland a giant hourglass as a going away present so he can fulfill the prophecy, I will overturn, overturn, overturn….

  • Avalokiteshvara, no, no, no! The 11th Commandment is “Thou shalt not smoke”. I saw it in a Far Side Cartoon!