Scofflaw Weinland

Before I get into the subject of this post, let me point out that it’s being published at the halfway point (to the nearest minute according to my calculations) “between the two evenings” of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s “Day of the Lord”.  The “two evenings” are the moments of the last failed return of Jesus Christ on May 26 at 1636 UTC and the next failed return of Jesus Christ at 1613 UTC next May 19.  These moments are sundown in Jerusalem on those dates.  So “dawn” of the “Day of the Lord” should be breaking any moment now.  Will it break before False Prophet Ronald Weinland reports to prison on January 2?

Another aside: I’ve heard from several relations of PKG members that their PKG member insists that my website is “all lies” .  While I expect there are inaccuracies on my website throughout several years of blogging, those inaccuracies are unintentional.  If anyone can point to a factual error, I’ll correct it.  (Opinion and the explanations of False Prophet are not facts.)  I do try to put out factual information to support my opinions and not make stuff up.  I have added a “Criminal Case” page linked in the banner at the top of the blog with court filings.  Also have information for anyone who thinks I made them up to get the documents directly from the government source, with information provide on that page.

Here are excerpts of Audra’s testimony at the trial of her father, False Prophet Ronald Weinland.  Below is from the transcript of her testimony on Friday morning of the trial (available through the federal court’s online PACER system as Docket #81 of filings in Ron’s criminal case).

From page 117 through 119 of that transcript:

8 Q When did you get married, ma’am?
9 A September 9th of ’08.
10 Q And I think you told us your father performed the service?
11 A Uh-huh.
12 Q Where did that take place?
13 A In Germany.
14 Q Did you formally get married before you went over to
15 Germany?
16 A No.
17 Q Tell the jury about that trip. When did it happen and what
18 were the circumstances?
19 A My parents were going over there for — to go to church
20 there in the Netherlands and the UK, so I had planned on going
21 there previously before I got married and before we planned to
22 get married, and about — and my fiance, he was — at the time,
23 he was going to go with us also. So we had decided since we
24 weren’t going to have a big wedding that we were just — we
25 would rather — we were trying to figure out when we were going

*** DAILY TRANSCRIPT ***
Case: 2:11-cr-00070-DCR-CJS Doc #: 81 Filed: 06/14/12 Page: 117 of 139 – Page ID#: 832
AUDRA LITTLE – CONTINUED DIRECT – MR. MCBRIDE 118

1 to get married. So about three weeks before the trip, we
2 decided to get married over there on the first day we got there
3 instead of as opposed to a couple of weeks after we went there.
4 Q So did you fly from the United States to Germany?
5 A Yes.
6 Q And so you went to Germany for the purpose of having your
7 wedding?
8 A Well, originally we had already planned to go over there.
9 Q You were going to see congregations in London —
10 A Uh-huh.
11 Q — and then the Netherlands; right?
12 A Yes.
13 Q Do you have a congregation in Germany?
14 A No.
15 Q Who was in Germany?
16 A My brother was there.
17 Q So your brother, was he married at that time?
18 A Yes.
19 Q So he and his wife could join you for the wedding?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Anybody else from the family go with you besides your mom
22 and dad?
23 A No.
24 Q So you went and had — do you remember when the wedding —
25 so the date of your marriage is actually in Germany; correct?

*** DAILY TRANSCRIPT ***
Case: 2:11-cr-00070-DCR-CJS Doc #: 81 Filed: 06/14/12 Page: 118 of 139 – Page ID#:833
AUDRA LITTLE – CONTINUED DIRECT – MR. MCBRIDE 119

1 A I think so.
2 Q So you’re in Germany, and then how long were you in
3 Germany?
4 A I think two days.
5 Q Two days. Were your mom and dad there with you?
6 A Yes.
7 Q And where did you go from Germany?
8 A I drove with my brother and his wife and my husband, we
9 drove to Antwerp, Belgium, from there.
10 Q And what did you do there?
11 A We were there to go to the church in the Netherlands. It’s
12 right near the Netherlands.
13 Q Where did your mom and dad go?
14 A They flew — I’m not sure, I — I’m not actually sure. I
15 think they flew straight to Belgium, but I’m not positive.
16 Q That’s fine. So they went on to Belgium for the services?
17 A Yes.
18 Q Or to see a congregation?

Let’s recap.  Audra was married on September 9, 2008 in Germany while accompanying the Two Witness on one of their tours of Europe.  They were in the UK the prior Saturday, September 6 and then in Belgium the following Saturday, September 13.  Audra’s marriage was during the week in between during a side excursion to visit Jeremy.  After their return to Cincinnati, Daddy hosted a blow-out reception on September 20.

After attending the sentencing hearing last Wednesday, I took a trip to the Boone County Administration building in Burlington, KY and visited their Legal Records Department.  A record turned up for Chris and Audra’s marriage.  The image below is of their marriage certificate:


Here is the salient text:

“I do certify that Audra Lynn Weinland and Christopher Douglas Little were united in marriage on the 9th day of September at Union, Kentucky under the authority of the above license and in the presence of Laura Weinland and Jeremy Weinland. Given under my hand this 9th day of September, 2008 /signed/ Ronald Weinland, Minister of the Church of God”

Here are some relevant quotes on a guide to Kentucky marriage law from the Office of the Attorney General for the State of Kentucky:

Where license is issued
The license is to be issued in the county of the female’s residence, if she lives in Kentucky, unless she is eighteen years of age or over or a widow. See KRS 402.080. If the female is not a Kentucky resident or if she is over eighteen or a widow the license may be obtained from any county court clerk in Kentucky.

Marriage solemnized outside Kentucky
A Kentucky marriage license cannot legally be used for marriage purposes in another state; if it has been, it cannot legally be filed in the office of a Kentucky county clerk. See OAG 72-622.

It’s clear that Chris and Audra’s marriage is not legally entered into under the laws of the State of Kentucky. Unless Audra perjured herself during her testimony in federal court, her father perpetrated fraud on the State of Kentucky by signing a false document claiming that a marriage was performed on Kentucky soil on a date when all participants were in Germany.  Unless Germany has a town named “Union” in a province named “Kentucky”.  Seems that getting married under German law can be rather complex.  So much easier to scribble something handy on a Kentucky marriage certificate.

This is all consistent with Ron’s propensity to play fast and loose with the facts.

What amazes me is that people continue to follow someone with who repeatedly demonstrates a lack of integrity: not following through on promises that he would not adjust his prophecies and that he would admit to being a false prophet when the prophecies failed.  Someone who has set deadline after deadline for certain events which never materialize, such as the conquering of the US before the summer of 2009 and then by August of 2011.

I doubt that Ronald Weinland will face any legal consequences for the fraud perpetrated in the office of the Boone County Clerk.  And I doubt that any of his followers will consider this civil fraud documented in official government records since they already have discounted his religious fraud.

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96 Comments

  • Ruth says:

    So, this also means that Audra isn’t legally married. That’s funny.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    … particularly since Ron frowns on people who practice cohabitation without benefit of marriage.

  • jack635 says:

    “I’ve heard from several relations of PKG members that my website is “all lies”.”

    Well somebody is lying, and I’m pretty sure it’s not Mike.
    And now this latest info provides that God’s Most Formidable prophet of all time, has a daughter living in sin and lying about it.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Amazing how everyone BUT Ron is lying, according to Ron!

    Audra isn’t legally married or LIED in court…Typical Weinland behaviour…

  • jack635 says:

    “Typical Weinland behavior”

    The whole family seems to live up to the old saying : den of thieves, or brood of vipers.

  • J says:

    Wow, was it so hard to just re-perform the ceremony back at home rather than lie on the certificate? A religious ceremony and a legal ceremony need not be the same one.

    Excellent sleuthing, Mike.

    I don’t suppose you could forward this tidbit to Mr. McBride for a chuckle?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ron has ZERO respect for the government. Always has. Who’s laughing now Ronnie?

  • Debbie says:

    Mike wrote “Another aside: I’ve heard from several relations of PKG members that my website is “all lies”.

    Comes down to what these relations are being told by the PKG members who are unable to accept the facts of Ronnie’s criminal activities ‘cuz they want Ronnie to be untarnished and for his failed prophecies to materialize – For anyone to accuse you that the website is “all lies” is a pretty general attack – They can’t handle the facts.

    The PKGers are possibly in mental turmoil – coming to grips with Ronnie’s upcoming imprisonment and very likely wondering if May 2013 will be another failed prophecy – After all the failed prophecies and b.s. that have taken place, I still shake my head to think that people still believe Ronnie after the ‘non-event’ of the two witnesses and how they didn’t lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days before being taken up into the clouds by the returning jesus – but the fantasy continues.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well put! “The fantasy continues…”

    Ron and Audra…proud liars.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And I love the fact that the Weinlands had a proxy wedding (someone stands in for the bride/groom if they are sick, etc)…except at their proxy wedding EVERYONE was absent from Union!

    Someone should demand to see Audra’s documentation from Germany of their marriage. Trust me, a German-Canadian dual citizen…NOONE can get married in Germany without lots of forms or papers and certificates, etc. The very fact that Audra supposedly just up and got married in Germany pretty much gives away her lie. Not a single mention of the laborious paperwork involved and the weeks of planning it takes to make it legal.

    If she got married in Germany her Union certificate is a fraud. If she got married in the States, then she LIED in court! She is either a liar or living in sin. Those are the ONLY options based on the documented evidence! In either case she is breaking God’s laws if she proclaims to be a Christian…as the immoral and liars DO NOT make it into the Kingdom of God.

    Looks like Kirrily and I will be seeing Audra in the Lake of Fire…now THAT’s worth being atheist for!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I have a feeling that McBride was on top of this from the start, when he asked Audra: “Did you formally get married before you went over to Germany?” But McBride would not be able to officially do anything more than chuckle since he’s a federal prosecutor and marriage is a function of individual states.

    When I was at the sentencing hearing, Judge Reeves threw out the prosecution’s request for a 2-level enhancement for “Aggravated Role” as leader of a criminal enterprise. His basis for that was that he considered Laura an equal participant, whether she was charged or not. I think he regarded Audra as more of a dupe and a gopher as far as Ron’s criminal activity.

    In the case of the marriage certificate, Audra is still a dupe. It was Daddy who filled out the marriage certificate, not Audra. I would say that while Chris and Audra’s marriage ceremony could be regarded as a religious ceremony, it has no legal standing. It would have been so simple to back it up with a civil ceremony after returning to Kentucky soil which they did the following week.

  • The PKG isn’t a church, it’s a soap opera.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Amazing how the words “Weinland” and “legal” seem to be mutually exclusive…or “Weinland” and “truth”…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also, if Audra and her husband file joint tax returns they get TAX BREAKS according to US Federal law…which means if this is so, then Audra is ALSO committing fraud since she is not legally married in the US. She is either NOT legally married or lied to the court about her marriage. And Ron is guilty of filing a false marriage certificate, WHILE he was stealing from the government (and is now going to jail for it, not religion).

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG MEMBERS:

    There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of ministers who preach in the name of Jesus. They pay their taxes, they minister to the destitute, they clothe the poor, they feed the hungry….and they DON’T get thrown in jail for preaching, or tax fraud. Who HAS been guilty of tax fraud? Weinland…and b=Herbert W. Armstrong, and Kent Hovind, Jim Bakker, Sun Myung Moon…the list goes on. ALL of them including Weinland lead/led non-mainstream “Christian” movements based on lies and deception (Armstrong in 1965 prophesied that the Pope would resurrect Hitler!).

    The Biblical prophets were persecuted for not worshipping the local/national gods. Cult leaders get thrown in jail for fraud…Weinland is going to jail for fraud…

    WAKE UP!!!

  • Jangster says:

    Why do people follow a person like RW? Because they have invested too much to doubt him. Many of you know what it’s like to come to terms with all that you’ve wasted following RW (or someone like him).

  • Jangster says:

    Avalo, that’s probably the best comment (11/21 @ 10:45) I’ve seen you write on here.

  • Armstrong in 1965 prophesied that the Pope would resurrect Hitler

    Thanks, Avalokiteshvara, I should have remembered. A very good reason not to follow the false prophet who signs, “In Jesus’ Name”. You’d think God would find it insulting.

    As a side note, I do seem to remember the Plain Truth articles saying that Hitler was still alive and living in South America. I believe that this “information” was plagiarized from the Police Gazette.

    For those of us who want to take a trip down memory lane, you can take a look at 1975 in Prophecy and be completely embarrassed:

    http://ambassadorreports.com/1975.html

    (The Flipping Book has a “Grunge” Theme quite on purpose.)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yes, 1975 in Prophecy, the complete destruction of the world, “not as man says so”, but EXACTLY as it will happen because “God said so” to Herbert W. Armstrong.

    FALSE PROPHECY…

    2008…exactly as Ron said so?
    2009 – No US president -exactly as Ron said so?
    Sept. 2011 – exactly as Ron said so?
    january 2012 – MILLIONS of people will come to be baptized into the CoG-PKG between January and May 2012. Just as Ron said so?
    May 2012 – exactly as Ron said so?
    May 2013 – exactly as Ron says so?

    FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE.

    Weinland lied to the government. TRUE.
    Audra lied to the court. TRUE
    Ron lied to the court. TRUE.
    Ron hide money from the government. TRUE.
    Ron lied on the marriage certificate. TRUE.
    Ron said he would admit he is a false prophet if 2008-GFW didn’t happen exactly as given to him by God. TRUE
    Ron DIDN’T repent. TRUE.
    Ron said the Asian Hordes would start rampaging across the earth before 2012, and if they didn’t he was a false prophet. TRUE.
    The Asina Hordes have done NOTHING. TRUE.
    Ron didn’t repent of uttering a false prophecy about the Asian Hordes. TRUE.
    Ron cursed us to death. TRUE.
    Ron got his prophecy about the EXACT time between Joe Tkach’s death and the return of Christ TO THE HOUR provably wrong, and diod not repent of his deceit. TRUE.
    Jesus said in the Bible that LIARS and THIEVES will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. TRUE.

    Revelation 21:8 – But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Proverbs 14:5 – A faithful witness does not lie, but a false witness breathes out lies.

    Proverbs 19:9 – A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

    TRUE?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    What were Audra’s lies in court?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    If she was married in Germany she was not married in Union. If she was married in Germany she would have enough paperwork to have run throughs she would NOT say:

    “so the date of your marriage is actually in Germany; correct?”

    “I think so…”

    You can’t remember the day of your wedding and IF it is in Germany or not? The day/place/time of your own wedding?!! “I think so…” is a lie. Not remembering what country you got married in? Lie.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’m willing to give her a little latitude on that. Audra is not the brightest bulb on the marquee, and she was in several countries within a few days time with Germany near Belgium. It is pretty clear from her testimony that she wast NOT married while on Kentucky soil.

  • gullible says:

    I noticed Audra Lynn Weinland comes before Christopher Douglas Little in the (false) marriage certificate declared by ron. I wonder if this is normal for the wife’s name to be ahead of the husband? Or perhaps ron has subtly set the stage for his total control of Audra’s marriage. That is from ron’s god to ron’s jesus to ron to ron’s daughter to ron’s son-in-law (illegitimate) and down the chain. I wonder if Audra’s husband says or questions anything to ron as he seems to be completely out of any picture. I’m guessing that if he didn’t keep his mouth shut, he would not have been selected/approved by ron. Then again, ron probably felt that he could be easily bribed him with perks to keep him happy as larry.

    PKGers may feel that ron has ultimate authority to use the money that they’ve given (well, that he has deceived them of) and does not need to account to anyone except ron’s god. However, had I known what ron had used it for to the degree that I know now, I would most likely have left in weeks instead of years. Thanks to this blog, everyone can have a taste of some inside information of ron’s corruption although not as much as Audra and Chris.

    Remember, PKGers are merely ron’s customers and not insiders like ron’s daughter and son-in-law (illegitimate), and could even be said of ron’s son and daughter-in-law.

  • LindaP says:

    @ gullible – you’re joking, right? Does it really matter whose name is first on the marriage certificate? I think that’s carrying things a bit too far.
    FYI – when planning wedding programs, announcements, invitations, etc., it’s customary to put the wife’s name first.

  • Don D says:

    According to the Marriage Certificate which Mike unearthed:

    “AUDRA LYNN WEINLAND and CHRISTOPHER DOUGLAS LITTLE were united in marriage on the 9th day of September at UNION”.

    I love the irony of the fact that Mike’s investigation has revealed that there was, in fact, NO UNION at UNION!

    Or maybe this just illustrates Weinland’s hitherto unsuspected quirky sense of ironic humour in nominating UNION as the alleged place of union. And to think that I’d always assumed that iRONy was a bit beyond the capacity of our Ron!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I wouldn’t extrapolate too far from the placement of Audra’s name on the marriage certificate.

    Chris is in the picture, he was present at the sentencing hearing. One thing that may go to gullible’s point is that Audra and Chris were observed riding together in the BMW, and Audra was driving. While it’s not a law of physics and women are certainly capable of driving, the customary tendency is for the man to do the driving.

  • Mark says:

    I wonder how Audra and Jeremy can sleep at night, let alone their spouses, given that they were all part of this entire scheme and willing participants. I still say they are well taken care of and there’s a stash of church money that is their pot of gold, that the government knows nothing about.

  • midget58 says:

    Mike,

    Wow! The saga continues. What will happen from here? I have passed the information on. Thanks for keeping me posted.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Not sure what will happen from here, whether the authorities will get involved or not.

  • Don D says:

    Mike, I know nothing of Kentucky law on registration of marriages and lodging of Marriage Certificates. But it seem to me that lodging a false Marriage Certificate would surely have to be a criminal offence given the alarming implications that could flow from such an act if deliberately done in order to facilitate fraud and deception of some type.

    Is it, in fact, a CRIMINAL OFFENCE for a registered marriage celebrant such as Ron Weinland to lodge a false Marriage Certificate in the State of Kentucky?

  • midget58 says:

    Mike,

    The question the family wants to know is—do the authorities know already? I was trying to explain this to stunning twist of events to them earlier today. You are an outstanding detective! The prosecution should have had you on their dream team!

    Thanks.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Married couples get tax breaks and such. There are definitely financial and legal ramifications; the government loses money over an obvious falsification of a government document. At the very least it is continuing proof that Weinland is an unrepentant, pathological liar.

    What Man of God bases his life on non-stop lies? I can think of at least one…

    …a FALSE PROPHET…

  • I was just looking over at Amazon.com where “2008: God’s Final Witness” is still being offered for $11.90 (hurry, hurry, the price for the original might go up soon!).

    It just amazes me that though the preponderance of reviews includes mostly one star (where many said they’d give it zero if they could), no mention is made of Felony Boy’s conviction.

    I would think that it’s time to give the Amazonians an eyeful.

    Let him who is not guilty of being a false prophet pick up the first stone.

    Or, “Behold, I have set before thee and open door”. So PKG members, go through it and leave.

    What part of “false prophet” (also, convicted felon) don’t you understand?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t know whether the authorities are aware of this. My purpose is that the members should know what their spiritual idol is like. But then we should expect in an upcoming sermon that the apostle has revealed that it’s OK to lie to the government, since the government oppresses God’s church.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Hahaha, Maybe the PKG clan are wondering who is it that is actually speaking to ‘ol Bubble-head’s mind ? and, is it so life fulfilling to so readily dump everything and blindly follow an empty , smelly Bubble-head full of lies and unatainable far-fetched promises ?
    What was the meaning of his ‘ Sealed ‘ members ? Hahaha ? Sealed into a life of depressing emptyness, and feel like there’s no way out ?
    They need a day at the beach, or the bush, or in the Mountains ? Thats God’s work, its not a lie, and its already been done, and the so-called ‘Sealed’ ( especially ) can’t even see the majesty, and beauty of God’s work !
    * The voices that speak to Ron’s mind ? Hahahahaha A nagging zombie like Laura ? Does he say that’s God …… so folks won’t say he’s “under the pump” ?
    HAVE A GOOD LOOK AROUND YOU PKG-ers, life is short, and you’re missing it …….. plenty of time in the after-life to be with the real God !

  • martin says:

    When Ron the Con, mentioned a while back at the last feast, when he couldn’t determine the “voice” that was speaking to him and telling him that Christ would not return on the appointed day….nobody batted an eye at this…..

    If your leader can not determine whether it is God speaking to him or Satan speaking to him, one should choose another leader.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    If your leader hears voices inside his head, it’s time to choose another leader.

    Or better yet, figure things out for yourself.

  • Budgie Smugglers says:

    Its beyond me, how the PKG folks have bought the idea, that by doing nothing but listening to a weekly sermon, of schizophrenic fantasy nonsence, from a disturbed bloke, who is about to be jailed , are somehow in God’s favour , and will be awarded the best seats, in the dress circle of God’s Golden Palace in the next life ?
    They are soooooooooooo deluded ? I could’nt imagine my disgust, when, I died and went to heaven, only to be faced with a couple of Jerks ( Wayne & Johnny ) telling me what to do ?
    I rekon I’d be asking for a second death, or volonteer to happily jump into the lake of fire !

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    UPDATE:

    Zerubabel the Bearded Ballerina is absolutely sure, no doubt that December 25th is now the day of God’s wrath where he will wipe everyone out. Thus, he even contacted FOX News to tell them about this and that the Mayan calendar is Satan’s propaganda, etc, etc!! LOL!!! (He indignantly reveals that they ignored him). The guy has falsely prophesied TWO “exact” dates revealed to him by “God”, and he contacts FOX to tell them about his third!

    Wisdom ponders, idiocy persists…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The PKG website proclaims that Ronnie “has also been appointed by the God of Abraham as His end-time prophet to foretell the final events leading up to Christ’s return.”

    Further proof Ronnie is a false prophet. He failed to prophesy his own jail sentence for LYING to the government. If he has been appointed to foretell final events, he completely missed this one, and thus is NOT a true prophet foretelling the final events. This is too major an event to NOT be prophesied….God’s End Time Prophet doesn’t know that he is going to be in jail when Christ returns? Failure. God’s (self-proclaimed) End Time Prophet has falsely prophesied Christ’s Return THREE TIMES, and is going to jail? False Prophet.

    BUT, that is par for the course. Jesus himself falsely prophesied that he would return in the lifetime of his own disciples. Makes sense that his followers feel free to lie about the future as well…

  • LindaP says:

    How does the COG-pkg explain how the two end-time witnesses (who, according to COG-pkg are Ron & Laura) will lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days (Revelation 11) prior to the return of Christ, who will return (according to COG-pkg) this coming May (assuming the date is not changed once again)? Ron can not be in two places at once (prison & Jerusalem). Wanna bet (assuming he still has a church come May) that the date is changed, once again, probably to May 2016?

    My prediction (and no, I’m not a prophet) is there will be very few people left in COG-pkg by the time Ron is released from prison and that he and Laura will live out the rest of their lives in a meager existence.

    IMO – Ron didn’t start COG-pkg to purposely get rich by fleecing the flock, but money is a powerful force and greed is a real sin. Once he placed himself at the very top of the church, no one had a right to question him or how he spent the churches money. It probably started by the Weinland’s getting a few nice things here and there on the churches dime, and then it snowballed, and before you know it, the church was paying for everything the Weinland’s wanted (which the judge said would have been OK by the IRS standards as long as he reported it, but from an individual point of view, IMO, is still wrong to take church money for all your expenses, while your members struggle financially). Over the years as the money rolled in, Ron & Laura’s tastes/lust for expensive/luxurious things grew, befitting a king ~ or in this case, a Prophet of God. It’s very sad to see that satan has such a great influence on them.

    I pray they repent of their sins. 42 months is a good amount of time for reflection and repentance.

  • Harv says:

    Avalokiteshvara says:

    (Armstrong in 1965 prophesied that the Pope would resurrect Hitler.)

    Where was that statement make, I can’t recall which publication?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    He said something like that in 1952. http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Plain%20Truth%201950s/Plain%20Truth%201952%20%28Vol%20XVII%20No%2002%29%20Aug.pdf
    Which Rod Meredith repeated in the May 1965 Plain Truth http://www.herbert-armstrong.org/Plain%20Truth%201950s/Plain%20Truth%201952%20%28Vol%20XVII%20No%2002%29%20Aug.pdf
    If you argue that Rod is responsible, not Herbert, then I refer you to the staff listed on page 2 and ask you to identify the name of the editor.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Great! I had no idea about the 1952 edition from which the Pope “falsely” resurrects Hitler thing came!

    I hope the PKG read it and realize that Ron is a false prophet, apart from his own false prophecies, because he learned his foundational theology from another false prophet.

  • martin says:

    If I did my calculations correctly, then Wednesday, November 21, 2012 noon, was the halfway point between Pentecost 2012 and Pentecost 2013.

    We are in the “day light” portion of the Day of the Lord.

    According to Ron, since NOTHING happened during the “night time” portion of the Day of the Lord, and not wanting to admit to ANOTHER failed prophecy, he had to come up with some lame explanation, stating that the events occur during the “day light” portion of the Day of the Lord (which is a year long).

    NOTHING HAS HAPPENED.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Not exactly. Since the endpoints of the Day of the Lord are the sunsets in Jerusalem at the beginnings of the two Pentecosts, and since there are an odd number of days between, the midpoint would have been around sunrise in Jerusalem on Nov 21. And due the the time zone difference, would have been at the time I published this post, the evening of Nov 20 in the US.

  • Rterlecki says:

    Very good Christians if I lie it’s ok if u lie its a sin, if I steal money it’s ok but if u do it . It’s a sin god please help me understand this

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Let’s review: “The Edge” radio – December 15, 2007:

    “What we’re talking about happening in this country and around the world is a horrendous thing, it really is. Things do start in 2008; it will be done by 2011…by the fall of 2011, that’s when Jesus Christ returns…If we come to the point in time where what I’ve said doesn’t come to pass, the reality is that I’m just a false prophet. That’s the bottom line…”

    2008 Tribulation began – FAIL
    2009 – FAIL
    2011 – FAIL
    2012 – FAIL
    Day of the Lord nearly half over, no wrath/destruction – FAIL

    All of Weinland’s prophecies have failed – TRUE
    Weinland stole from the government – TRUE
    Weinland is going to jail – TRUE
    Ron did not repent of being a false prophet – TRUE
    Ron used God’s tithes to buy and ship a BMW to his son in Germany – TRUE
    Ron cursed us to death – TRUE
    NONE of us got sick or died – TRUE

    Randy: The simple fact of the matter is that the PKG are so desperate to believe Ron and not admit they were tricked that they must believe that Ron is “wrong for the right reason” (God’s truth must then become “progressive”), while we are “right for the wrong reasons” (we don;t understand how God reveals things through time). Mike (DDTFA) has bee correct about Ron 100%, yet they pretend it is a lie. Ron has been wrong 100% so they imagine God;s Word is something it is clearly NOT, just for the sake of avoiding the truth for a few more months until they yet again must face another failed prophecy. It is like ripping up bill notices you won’t be able to pay. It is easier to just let the phone go dead than go to the phone company, beg your case, get an extra job to be able to afford paying it off, etc. Rather than deal with the problem, they just put it off year by year so they don;t have to face the truth.

    Problem is, their money will be gone, their future will then be the past, they won’t have the resources, assets, or education to rebuild their lives and are squandering their precious, precious time. Guaranteed they will one day realize their entire life in the PKG was a total lie, and Weinland will have the last laugh as he retires on THEIR money. So they continue on, calling us liars, saying we are hateful and bitter…because it is the only way they can avoid the brutal reality that Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and they are being used and sucked dry by him…

    One day they will know and remember that we were telling the truth…

  • Rterlecki says:

    Ron Weiland
    and his bitch and kids will rott in hell. And I will be fishing.

  • YYZ says:

    Jim Bakker and Jessica Hahn and the fraud he was sentenced 45 years for, Jimmy Swaggert buying hookers, Oral Roberts and his 90 foot jesus, BMW’s shipped overseas …beware of preachers installing gold bathroom faucets!

    Here’s a list of some criminal preachers:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_leaders_convicted_of_crimes

  • J says:

    That article is in need of a little update.

  • Maybe instead of this blog entry being “Scofflaw Weinland”, considering, it should have been called, “Married to the Mob”.

    Ha, ha, ha!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    UPDATE: Ron’s latest sermon starts off with his mentioning how God corrects error and that revelation is progressive! Oh boy…here comes some new lies masquerading as truth…

  • martin says:

    Ronald is a complete imbecile

    (Amo 3:7) Surely the Lord GOD will do NOTHING, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the PROPHETS.

    God says He will reveal his will BEFORE He does anything.

    In other words, He informs the prophets FIRST, then He fulfills the prophecy spoken through the prophet.

    Not this imbecilic nonsense where Ron the Con gets it wrong every which way till Sunday, until God “corrects” him.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Oh, here we go…at 9:42 Ron is now spiritualizing away pretty much everything he has said and done…his Witnessing was actually on the spiritual level…the sword coming out of Christ’s mouth is spiritual, the 144,000 are literal, but the horses they ride on are NOT, etc. Then he goes on to start criticizing the Revelation literature of one of the other CoGs to “correct” its theology…which God inspired him last Sunday to do in his sermon. No repentance for THEFT and for LYING to the government. Just pointing out what is wrong with other CoG prophecies.

    Typical Weinland behaviour. Try and distract everyone from his own failed prophecy, his Day of the Lord prophecy currently failing to come true, and his going to PRISON…

  • martin says:

    How noble of Ron to correct somebody elses book, while nothing in his book has come true.

  • jack635 says:

    YYZ, I think the pkg members should read that page. On second thought anyone considering joining a church should read that article. I noticed the penalties were listed for each minister and one was actually hanged.

    I receive a monthly publication and i noticed a few quotes that apply to pkg’s situation:

    “All men with power ought to be mistrusted ” — James Madison (1751-1836)

    “Givers have to set limits because takers rarely do.” — Irma Kurt’s

    While I think Madison was one of your presidents, I do not know who Kurtz is but her words certainly should apply to the pkg sheep.

  • Jetsetter says:

    Amazing how he leads his foolish blind followers to more ignorance on there behalf by choice of their own also as they never question the church..He hides from them the fact hes going to prison, cant control church funds and has 3 yrs after he gets out tostay in his county and needs permission to go anywhere…You know why he does this? I believe its so he can collect more money as fast as they can….I have a question, Ron still has to pay that huge fine to the TAX man of around $245000or was it 275? anyway is it allowed that he uses the church money or so Called LOL church jwellery to pay off this fine???? Also they said in court its church jwellery , it just happens to fit Audra and laura fingers hahaha do they have to give this over to the person who is going to control church funds..Which I assume it will be Johnny who is his best and loyal follower…Please anyone can help do so with these question…

  • J says:

    If the “truth is progressive” line worked before, obviously he used it again. He can go on indefinitely as long as the diehards buy it.

  • Jetsetter says:

    I must thank Mike for all this info hes dug up…great job, thanks alot alot of people do read even if they dont write in or comment…
    Question to someone…Does anyone know if someone has or is in the middle of reporting the marriage fraud? Im overseas not sure if I can , I will be happy to as I feel that this should be reported as this whole family is criminal, Im tired to hear that Poor Audra is just not so smart…O shes smart check out her car and all her finances. shes no dummy, Ron is a control freak but they all choose to do things too in knowing,,,

  • J says:

    Jetsetter, Ron is free to use PKG money for his personal use, as long as he reports it as income on his income tax return. The 245K back taxes, penalties, legal fees, jewelry that came from PKG funds (since they could not come from any place else) gets reported on his taxes and the IRS is happy. They’re not in the business of punishing church leaders for making money off their followers. They’re in the business of making sure they get their cut.

  • martin says:

    Are the unreported taxes for recent years going to be a separate court case?

    Or is Ronald just going to just going to give the IRS their cut this time?

  • J says:

    He hasn’t filed 2009-2012 yet, as far as I’m aware. If he reports what he has actually siphoned from PKG, then there’s no problem. If he underreports as he did for 2004-2008, then the IRS will start the whole circus again, but this time with an even heavier hammer. I can’t imagine he’s dumb enough to think he can try again and beat the IRS. Either way, the IRS will get a chunk of his money.

  • martin says:

    Ron believes he’s only going to serve jail time for about 6 months.

    Based on that, I think he will try to avoid paying the IRS any more….

    (which is rather stupid, because if he really believes that, then he would not care about giving the money away)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    He SAYS he believes such things, but clearly he doesn’t actually believe it. What true believer openly lies and steals from the government?

    So if he doesn’t pay his 2009-2012 taxes he is a lunatic, because Jesus is NOT returning in May 2013. If he DOES pay them, then he is NOT a true believer or a prophet because that means he doesn’t truly believe Jesus is returning in May 2013.

    So how is Ron going to spin his jail time and Christ’s non-return next May?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Martin, on what basis do you say that Ron only thinks he’s going to be in jail for 6 months. I was in the courtroom when Judge Reeves pronounced sentence, the same sound waves that told me 42 months also struck Ron’s ears.

    So….. huh?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I think he is referring to the May 2013 prophecy…that Ron must believe that Jesus’ return will free him from jail, thus he will only serve six months, starting from now. Technically though it’s five months, because he starts his term in January at the latest, which I think Ron will do. Why go to jail “early”?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    OK, makes sense.

    Come next May, the Present Truth (TM) will be that he’ll have to serve a bit longer 😉

  • LindaP says:

    I think Martin meant that COG-pkg believes Christ will return in May, so Ron will be in jail less than 6 months.

    However, prior to Christ’s return, two end-time witnesses (Ron & Laura) will lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3.5 days (Revelation 11). But, how can Ron be in two places at once (prison & Jerusalem)? I’m curious to see how he’ll get out of this one.

  • LindaP says:

    Oops! Posting at the same time . . .

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Jetsetter, I’m not aware of anything going on to get the Kentucky authorities to come down on Ron for his fraudulent completion of Audra’s marriage certificate.

  • J says:

    If you think Ron actually believes in his May 2013 date, then you don’t know Ron.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Johnny and Wayne are worse than Ron IMO. If they had the balls to leave (which they don’t, because they are gutless and ball-less), then many of the members would leave too.

    F U Wayne. You just don’t want to be wrong, again, do you. Prick.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    LindaP:

    You missed Ron;s big announcement this year when Ronnie suddenly revealed that the Two Witnesses don’t die physically in Jerusalem. It is all just allegory and symbolism. he also announced right before his failed May prophecy that the job of the Two Witnesses was done, and now his job was to be the End Time Prophet of the church leading God’s people until Jesus returns in May 2013.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    It essentially is what I call Christian “pornography”.

    Jesus’ message was always “Fear Not”…and “worry not about tomorrow”. He repeatedly reminded all that if they believed, then the future was not to be feared. certainly life would not be easy, but when they needed strength they would have it.

    CoG theology on the other hand is fear and misery; you are doomed until you do what Ron says, then you can sit back and laugh as your “enemies” suffer because you are now “safe” and better than everyone else. Misery and doom becomes exciting and thrilling because the more of it there is the closer they feel they are to getting their dreams fulfilled as King and Priests in God’s Kingdom. 20% of some African country’s population has AIDS? They secretly are happy to see “prophecy” coming true. 9/11 occurs? Hooray, Jesus is on his way! This kind of self-righteous narcissism is pornography. Self-glory and gratification through global misery.

    Ronald Weinland has his sheeple in training to be good little sociopaths…sociopaths who enjoy giving their money to a false prophet going to jail for FRAUD…

  • Jetsetter says:

    Thanks J for your response to my question,,,However if this is the case how is it legal for him to do so if the court has stated he cannot control church funds of this church or any other or control the money throu others…AS I read in the posting earlier as part of his IRS punishement.

  • Jetsetter says:

    Also for those who are unaware Wayne and Chris had a huge garage sale not long ago…
    I just like to ask all those your write and read this blog, which is amazing,,,,How many of you are prepared to actually do something…Let me explain what I mean…I dont live in the USA, however I am going to find out if I can use a email instead,,,I am hoping others who live in USA actually pick up the phone and report this fraud,,We can all do it as I think the more people knocking on that door the more it will push them to investigate….Ron IF now that is IF he is a licenced person to marry people , perhaps with have this revoked from him and more charges can be placed on him like fines and or , increasing his JAIL time..For those who wish too actually take action there is a phone number on that link Mike has posted where the marriage certificate is,,,,Also why is it that Audra and her husband didnt regester this themselves…Also like to ask how is it that the witnesses to this marriage didnt need to be the actual ones signing this paper, perhaps theres another one they personally sign…never the less they can be also in trouble for claiming taxes as a married couple etc, OH silly me there NOT married…Its easy for the investigators to have the court note that we read with Audra stating she was married in Germany and no where else…Also they have the power to see airline tickets etc to prove there no way they abided by any law…COmE ON lets do it…
    Wayne and Chris cant be this stupid and Johnny and them are all in on this for there pride and power and pay checks…Dont wait on them lets look at ourselves to do something, more people will be spun out in the church knowing this info above the TAX fraud , think about it…Permission to live in Adulatory and Lie….Actually signed permission by her own Father RON LOL LOL oH yeh

  • J says:

    I’m pretty sure Ron is still able to control PKG funds.

  • Jetsetter says:

    He may throu Johnny I reckon…But I dont think hes allowed to or Laura if I understood it correctly, as the Judge believes she was in on it all and being Rons wife the court know he controls it still….If I understand correctly the Judge has for forbiden it…He must pass it to someone else…Maybe that what all this time is for, it allows him to fix things up before going to prison,,,Just assuming…well anyway what I want to see is also this marriage fraud brought to lite…Who is in ? As mike does alot of this work I feel I can do some too now…

  • gullible says:

    LindaP:
    Thanks for pointing it out about it being a customary thing.
    You’re probably right, I may have gone a bit too far speculating on the ordering of Audra’s name on the marriage certificate – I guess my defense mechanism gets the better of me whenever ron says or does anything. This comes, after years of giving ron the “benefit of the doubt”. Hopefully, I’ll find an equilibrium soon. I hate to be overly pessimistic, but at the same time, I hate to think that my gullibility will get the better of me again.

  • gullible says:

    “I pray they repent of their sins. 42 months is a good amount of time for reflection and repentance.”
    ron often mentions that satan can’t change (having a mind fully set on evil), so advises against praying as satan’s fate is sealed. Perhaps satan is thinking the same way about ron.

    “Technically though it’s five months, because he starts his term in January at the latest, which I think Ron will do. Why go to jail “early?”
    ron might be reluctant to use this as the 5 months of torment now that Avalo picked this up.

  • LindaP says:

    I found this very interesting. It’s “Clerks’ Guide to Kentucky Marriage Law”;
    http://www.e-archives.ky.gov/pubs/ag/clerks_guide_marriage_law(1996).htm

    Take a look;
    Marriage solemnized outside Kentucky
    A Kentucky marriage license cannot legally be used for marriage purposes in another state; if it has been, it cannot legally be filed in the office of a Kentucky county clerk. See OAG 72-622.

    There’s also;
    Penalty Provisions

    However, I did not see the penalty for “filing false documents”. Ron is developing a pattern for filing false documents.

  • LindaP says:

    I did read this, “The Probate Court may declare as void ab initio any marriage license issued based on an application containing false statements.”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    LindaP:

    There would be a penalty if Audra and Chris file joint tax returns for a tax break as a married couple…since they are now proven to be not legally married in the US. The best way to get them on the radar again is (probably) e-mail the IRS. They can easily do a check on Audra/Chris’s tax returns to see if there are any tax-related items involving their married status. They may not get tried, but an AUDIT would certainly be in order!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I also highly doubt they are legally married in Germany, because German law is very paperwork heavy, and NO DOUBT they would have had to apply for local licenses, etc. One does not “just get married” in Germany when you are not a citizen! This is why I think Audra lied in court. You can’t remember WHERE you got married, or if it was in your own country or not?

    A wedding is a huge day in a woman’s (and man’s) life. A woman who can’t remember anything about her own wedding? Bulllllllllllllllllllllsh*t.

  • LindaP says:

    Clerk of Court in Boone County; kenny.brown@boonecountyky.org

    How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
    http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/How-Do-You-Report-Suspected-Tax-Fraud-Activity%3F

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t think the IRS would get involved unless and until the State of Kentucky invalidated their marriage.

    Probably the starting point would be the Boone County Clerk’s office, asking them who would enforce this. Then send the enforcement function the information and see what happens.

  • jack635 says:

    “Wayne and Chris had a huge garage sale”

    I think Mike mentioned Wayne was at the sentencing hearing. I guess the garage sale paid for Wayne’s airfare. What a moron. Selling all his stuff to scrape together enough money to be at his idols side during sentencing in Satan ‘s court. I wonder if Wayne and Johnny are going to slug it out for the right to be the sermon voice of pkg while Ron is silenced in prison for a time and times and half a time?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    No, never said that. Wayne was not at the sentencing hearing. Wayne was in Cincinnati at the time of the criminal trial.

  • jack635 says:

    OK must have been Johnny?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I listed all the people I recognized in the posting about the hearing.

  • jack635 says:

    I just checked your list and found out neither Wayne or Johnny were there. That’s surprising to me as I thought Johnny and Wayne were Ron’s top two guys. They are the only ones I have ever heard giving a sermon on the net. I’m obviously not keeping up on my pkg facts these days.

  • If it really is true that the Weinlands don’t have control over the money for 3+ years, who gets control of it.

    Sure, there’s certain to be attrition (also read, “entropy”), but the money that keeps coming in has to go somewhere.

    It’s a temptation few could resist. It depends on the level of depravity the recipient / controller has. As speculative fiction, it is within the realm of possibility that who takes control might decide to cut off Weinland’s income entirely and deny him a salary, to take everything for him / her self.

    This, of course, would be the best of all worlds (except for the PKG members).

    The result would be Weinland would be stuck in poverty with no money to pay any of the judgments against him, let alone pay his 2009 – 2012 taxes. He would lose the house.

    Then the PKG would get down to a lot fewer members with only a handful left.

    It may never happen, but it is one logical possibility.

  • jack635 says:

    If my memory is right, Ron appointed Laura prophetess with authority over all senior evangelists and elders a few years ago. I guess she will be in control of finances while Ron is silenced. I’m curious as to who will be giving the sermons. Laura, Johnny, or Wayne?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I expect that Johnny, Wayne, and Terry will take turns. Laura will not speak unless Ron comes up with a new version of the Present Truth (TM) that allows Prophetesses to speak.

  • Wouldn’t Laura be precluded from managing the money?

  • jack635 says:

    As far as I know Laura wasn’t mentioned in the sentencing documents. Ron was required to declare all his future income and to file accurate and true tax returns. Laura was not charged with anything so Ron could appoint her in charge of the church and its finances. We’ll have to wait and see, unless Mike makes a new discovery.

    As for Laura’s diamonds, I guess they are now hers if Ron paid income tax on the value of the diamonds.