Gimme Just a Little More Time

False Prophet Ronald Weinland has made a double true prophet of me, by fulfilling my predictions that he would make a post to his blog or give a Pentecost sermon, having done both.  And a triple true prophet because as I expected he has not admitted to be a false prophet.

I haven’t listened to the complete sermon yet, but I think the gist is given below.  It’s been a full day following Ron’s antics and then getting a life in the evening, so I’m off to bed.  Will listen to the rest of Ron’s nonsense tomorrow and update as necessary.

In a sermon posted this evening to his website, he declared that he is still an apostle AND still a prophet.  Christ is returning on Pentecost, just not this one.  I think he said that it would be next Pentecost.  But next Pentecost when it doesn’t happen, we’ll probably review and find that he didn’t really say it would be next Pentecost totally for sure.

According to the PKG website, Pentecost of 2013 falls on May 19. So the next moment of my death will be mid-day on May 18, 2013.

And as I predicted, Ron went back to his Strong’s Dictionary to find the best meaning of a word to help Ron through this Red Sea moment.

Ron said that planning would start to hold the feast for all 8 days.  May be a stretch for his members who have spent their second tithe following Ron around the country during the past few months that he was not overseas.




  • J says:

    While he can delay Christ’s so-called return and have his followers eat it up, he has run out of opportunities to delay his trial, aka royal nightmare.

    Therefore, according to Ronald Weinland, the IRS is more powerful than Ron’s God. Would I be wrong in that assessment, Ronnie?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Pathetic. Not surprising, although I really thought he would go for a 7 year trip, with the first 3.5 over (spiritual), now the next 3.5 (physical) is at hand!!

  • martin says:

    Where have all the flowers gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the flowers gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the flowers gone?
    Girls have picked them every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the young girls gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the young girls gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the young girls gone?
    Taken husbands every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the young men gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the young men gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the young men gone?
    Gone for soldiers every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the soldiers gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the soldiers gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the soldiers gone?
    Gone to graveyards every one
    When will they ever learn?
    When will they ever learn?

    Where have all the graveyards gone?
    Long time passing
    Where have all the graveyards gone?
    Long time ago
    Where have all the graveyards gone?
    Covered with flowers every one
    When will we ever learn?
    When will we ever learn?

    Ronald Weinland lied with the first date
    Then told a lie for the second date
    Now he lied again with a third date
    When will PKGers ever learn?
    When will PKGers ever learn?

  • Erik says:

    Religion was created by man, so there’s bound to be many who weave their own versions and calculations, Ron and the other doomtards are a great example. As for me, I choose not to become associated with religion. I have my reasons.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The most intelligent men and women on the planet have all been atheists…nice to hear from another member of the REAL Human Family, Erik…

  • Erik says:

    That’s very true. I’ll take material proof over a big elaborate fairy tale any day, instead of mindlessly believing in a magical ghost that humans also conjured up. “I don’t know how things work so there must be a God.” I think I’ve left my mark.
    There’s my link if any Christians need to bash me lol.

  • Frank says:

    Nice quotation there, Erik.

  • Jocko says:

    Ron sure didn’t waste any time getting down to the business at hand. Didn’t even wait for the 26th to say bye bye and go across the international date line in the south Pacific. Here on the east coast we’re not even five hours into the 27th and Ron has a new post, new sermon, new date for Christ’s return and a new Pentecost sermon he says will explain everything.

    As others have noted Ron says he’s still a prophet, an apostle and everything else except for a false prophet. A little over seventeen minutes into his latest sermon he lets everyone know he’s still on the job and below are his exact words.

    17:49 So if indeed as it appears that it is headed that way, Pentecost 2012 has proven to be incorrect as the date for Christ’s return, does that make everything else untrue? Does that negate the fact that I am God’s prophet and apostle? Absolutely not.

    Wonder how many of the faithful will show up later today in Cincinnati for his Pentecost sermon?

    PS-As I’m writing this Ron’s sermon is playing and I just heard his winning snickering laugh. He was comparing PKG’s present situation to him running races as a younger man and his deluded mind must think it’s funny. Wonder if the PKG members with no jobs, homes or incomes will think Ron’s little joke is funny.

    In an earlier thread I said something to the effect that the joke was on Ron but I now realize the joke is on everyone in PKG. Except of course for Ron and Laura because they’re both laughing all the way to the bank.

  • Douglas says:

    “Jacque says:May 26, 2012 at 16:07;Wow! Is all I can say. I honestly don’t believe this…..and am at a loss as to know how to even pray. Guess I’ll just use “Your will be done” standby, because I don’t know what else to say.”

    I suppose I could start mentioning quotes like, “faith without works is dead?” or an Irena Sendler who just prayed. But instead my only question is what are you going to do?

  • YYZ says:

    The IRS should sink his ship if he gets enough prison time then his internet church will crumble….unless he he’s allowed internet access in the hoosegow (jail, big house, iron bar motel, pen, pokey, slammer, joint, cooler, can)…….then he’ll probably compare himself with Daniel in the lions den and more truths.(Well we know there will be more truths from him, that’s a given)

  • Jocko says:

    Ron is thrilled Christ was a now show because he now has another year to continue his masquerade. I’m still listening to his sermon and he’s now reading e-mails from PKGer’s who are sticking with him no matter what. It’s hard to believe so many people can be just as deluded as he is but I now realize this is the reality of Armstrongism.

    Mike is the only true prophet in this blogasphere because every single thing he told us would happen did in fact happen. Congratulations are in order to Mike for batting 1000 and I hope he has the strength to continue his crusade and possibly bring justice to all the families effected by the resident sociopath of PKG.

    I look forward to the day justice is finally served when his Royal Awesomeness is on the receiving end of the misery he has poured out to so many people. Who knows, perhaps a family member of somebody who’s lost everything will decide to go postal and put an end to ringmaster Ron’s three ring circus.

  • Matt says:

    I know what you mean Jacque. And do you know what is even MORE amazing? The followers will accept it and keep feathering his nest for him. They have not complained about the fact that Ron freely dips into the church funds. They have not complained about the fact that while you can indeed pretend bible verses support Ron, there are a few about false prophets that are VERY hard to ignore. Because they want to feel they are at the centre of the universe, a central part of Gods plan, and more important than everyone else. It is cruel, because Ron uses this weakness in them for his own benefit, but ultimately they trap themselves.

  • Tony from Wisconsin says:

    Erik and others, God is not dead religion is.

  • Myrm says:

    Erik; I’m a Christian but I’m not going to bash you. You, like everybody else on this planet, is entitled to their own opinion and should be respected for it. 😀

    Oh, so there’s a new sermon on the PKG website? Cool, I’m going to listen to it. Surely Ron still doesn’t believe he is one of the two Witnesses any longer. Surely if anybody on this planet knew the time and date of the secong Coming of Christ it would be the Two Witnesses.

  • Tony from Wisconsin says:

    God is not dead, Angels are not dead, Demons are not dead yet (proof – ron weinland) Old Herbert Armstrong is dead. Don’t loose your true Faith (not religion) over fools like ronnie and his profittitis wifie.

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    The Dangerous Business of being a “Prophet For Profit”

    There seem to be many “would be Elijahs” out there, especially some that try to read all kinds of things into the scriptures, because they have not learned yet, as Ellen White didn’t and Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Dave Hulme, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland and many of the leaders of the fallen WCG and many, many others haven’t yet learned that (Rev. 22:18.19) is in the bible for a reason so that people will not exercise the prerogative of God and to think that they can understand the prophecies before it is time for them to be revealed.

    The word of God is not a toy that we can play with at a whim, for our own gain and vanity. Some people never learn, but all they have to do is to read (Acts 1:7), about times. God in a certain place says “I will do nothing unless I reveal it to My servants the prophets” (That is the real prophets”). How many times in the last 40 years or so have we heard different “Prophets” giving times, places and dates to no avail, Gerald Waterhouse, Gerald Flurry, Herman Hoeh and many, many others, the list goes on interminably, this is very dangerous business.

    Being a “prophet” has always been a dangerous occupation, true prophets have to worry about men and their persecution, which is not real bad, but false prophets are going to have to deal with God, who does not appreciate “self proclaimed prophets”, messing around with His words. Thankfully, He is merciful and might give these false prophets every opportunity to repent, just as He did Balaam, where He (God) thought that using a jackass to speak. was a fitting way to talk to a false prophet.

    The sure tests for finding out “who” are true prophets, and “who” false prophets are, be they Gerald WaterHouse, Herman Hoeh or Gerald Flurry, is put forth in (Deut. ch 18); This is what God says about it, and this is very important! (Deut. 18:22) shows that if a person is a true prophet of God, then whatever he speaks will come to pass.

    We should not say various people are false prophets, but we should rather let (Deut. 18:22 ) and many other scriptures tell us who they are. We need to beware of those who read all kinds of things into the scriptures, thinking that they can discern who is Laodicean and such; what pomp! Only God can discern most of these things. A very blasphemous thing is taking place among many Church of God Groups, including PCG and Gerald Flurry; God has given certain guidelines, so that we can determine who is of God and who is not of God, and a few of those guidlines are keeping the commandments, the Sabbath, tithing, keeping the Passover, the Feast of Tabernacles, etc.

    The main guideline however is, whether or not we love God and mankind with the love of the Holy Spirit. Many of those in various groups, including PCG, are showing contempt for God and what He has done with various individuals, the fact that He has called them and revealed His word to them, and has granted them repentence, they’ve had hands layed upon them and have received the Holy Spirit, but some will belittle this.

    Some in the organizations, claim falsely, that God is only working through them and their group. Some People claim that they are “Philadelphian” and others that don’t follow their group are “Laodiceans”, although that does not show the love of God shed abroad in our heart, instead it shows a party spirit and the lust of power and money.

    Keep an eye on those who teach these fallacies and also on those that want to “coat tail” the FALLEN WCG and,also those people that have evidently not learned that much of the administration of WCG was a stench in God’s eyes, and that WCG was preaching certain abberations that were not from the scriptures, and they were placing a curse on themselves by frequently adding to, and taking away from the words of God ( Rev.22:18,19).

    Although many of those who do want to “coat tail” the fallen WCG, are doing it for either money, power or both, they both usually go hand and hand. To really prove who God’s people are, just look for those who are not hung up in the org., or those who have an open kindly spirit and who extend the right hand of fellowship to all of God’s people, not the self serving “Me! Mine! My Church! My Tithes! MY Great leadership! My Tithepayers!”.

    All these works of the Flesh will melt like “Frosty the Snowman ” eventually, when the heat is turned up; lets keep our eyes wide open, especially to the true word of God.

    Many of These “false prophets” need to find another business.

  • Atrocious says:

    It took me a long time to get over hating a close member of my family because of abuse. I told myself that I would never hate again. Ron Weinland is sending me very close to breaking that resolution. I can’t believe all the lies he tells; lie after lie, after lie.

    Final Sermon
    As a final posting I am also informing all readers that a final prerecorded sermon will be posted on the Church site that can be used this Sabbath. It is recommended for those who want to use that sermon for this Sabbath that you download it as soon as it is posted so you will have it on hand. It is also recommended to those in the U.S. and Canada to either listen to it on Friday evening, especially for those in the western time zones or early Sabbath morning for those in the east.

    As it was written in the last words of the first book, The Prophesied End-Time, I will end this final post with what was stated in that last sentence.

    As it says in the next to the last verse of God’s word, “Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”

    Lies. All lies.

    Ron is a pathological liar.

    I’m so close to saying I’m done with everything here. I am so disgusted. Ron is a disgusting human being. Satan has stolen his soul.

  • I know what’s wrong!

    “Second coming” is no where in the Bible. “I will come again” does seem to be, but here’s the deal: According to Scripture, Jesus died, was resurrected, ascended to heaven, returned for 40 days and the ascended again. There has already been a Second Coming! We missed it! It was almost 2,000 years ago.

    Now we wait for the THIRD Coming of Christ! Yes, that’s right! A THIRD Coming! How could we miss that??!?

    So Ronald Weinland could never be right about a Second Coming! Never! It already happened. And apparently is supposed to happen again for the third time!

    So that’s what happened!

    Praise be the Glorious Works of the Lord!

    Just hope He’ll be at the trial… maybe as a Witness?

    We wait for an Act of God.

    Unfortunately, if it happens to Ron’s mansion, the insurance won’t pay for it….

  • randy terlecki says:

    these p.k.g members should be waking up this morning feeling real smart they let a con man and his wife take them like i always said im not the sharpest knife in the draw but i have common sense. ive been wait for this day for 10 years i wish my farther was here to see he was right too

  • Endless fun — it keeps us guessing what the modern day Ananias and Saphira are going to do next.

    Maybe it will be another Ken Lay situation where he is convicted, but never gets to the sentencing because he drops dead.

    It’s a fantasy which will not be fulfilled, but it would be great to have him skip bail (bale, baal?) and have him chased by Dog, the Bounty Hunter with his wife and blood relatives saying their little prayer before the capture — all caught on camera. Too bad. It would be great fun.

  • Helen says:

    Hey cuz Randy, I wish my Uncle was here too…R.I.P. I hope my Aunt can see now and she leaves the liars..

  • Jack, the phrase “true prophet” is an oxymoron.

  • “Demons are not dead yet (proof – ron weinland)”

    Gullible people can be fooled by preposterous mendicants–therefore, demons! You can “prove” anything with logic like that.

  • Why do cons like this continue to go over? Is it because of some kind of magic? No, it’s because people are stupid. They don’t know how to think. They are gullible. They want to believe more than they want to follow the evidence where it leads. How do we avoid propping up such a scam and perpetuating it? We learn how to think critically, respect objective fact and be generally responsible with what propositions we give our assent to.

  • Helen says:

    Half asleep here Mike. But let me see if I get this. So did Ron say it will be next Pentecost now? Ron was told it is not his time again, I pursume!! If this keeps going on year after year he will die of old age, then it will happen/ The witness is dead.

  • randy terlecki says:

    can someone tell me where it say in the bible, If a man claims to be a prophet of god and says something will happen in gods name and it does not to leave and don’t be afraid because he is not the prophet of god. if you where on the jury for his trail would you believe his creditably. hehehe

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Randy, that’s Deut 18:20-22:
    “20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.”

    As far as Weinland’s credibility with the jury, his attorney knows this won’t help him and filed a motion to suppress any testimony about his religion.

  • randy terlecki says:

    Tammy Faye, i mean Laura will have more time to get some new diamonds maybe a big house and a new beemer

  • Why do cons like this continue to go over? Is it because of some kind of magic? No, it’s because people are stupid. They don’t know how to think. They are gullible. They want to believe more than they want to follow the evidence where it leads. How do we avoid propping up such a scam and perpetuating it? We learn how to think critically, respect objective fact and be generally responsible with what propositions we give our assent to.

    On spot.

    Where are the PKG (Pathetic Kook Group) members?

    You’d think they’d come to take advantage of our kind offer of help.

    It’s Pentecost and it’s still early. Maybe they will be by later.

    To make excuses.

  • Mr. Arkadin says:

    Mr. Arkadin here, a relic from the Ironwolf Forum. I have a relative who is an Elder in the KGB–opps, PKG. I had maintained that RW is nothing more than con man, and with the audaciousness of his current sermon, it reminds me of a Hitler/Orwellian approach to mind control. His Truths are nothing more than Big Lies, or the Orwellian terms used in a dictatorial State to confuse and control the masses. RW’s historical revisionism is so bold that is followers cannot fathom that Nazi-Ron could be deceiving them. RW is a Master Manipulator, and he knows the techniques of a tyrant. With the help of Wikipedia, I present the paradigm used by Hitler and highlighted in Orwell’s 1984 to give us insight into RW and his followers.

    All this was inspired by the principle–which is quite true within itself–that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
    —Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

    The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler’s psychological profile:

    His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

    George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four refers to the Big Lie theory on several occasions. For example:
    “The key-word here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts.”
    Definition of doublethink: “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed….”

  • Definition: Elder – in the PKG, an old fool.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Once Weinland has bent one of his follower’s mind into believing that God talks to him, then he can convince the member of _anything_. No matter how illogical or even contradictory to scripture.

  • A PKG member told his wife: “I want to stay home from church. I don’t find any worth in it. Nobody likes me. I’m going to take the next three weeks off of services”.

    His wife said, “There are three good reasons you should go to church: 1) you might learn something useful; 2) some people like you and 3) you’re the local pastor!”.

  • randy terlecki says:

    i always said people get what they ask for but this time, one of these people is my mom! there’s more than one way to get the trash out of the street and i honestly than the i.r.s and justice department will take care of it. u know if he is guilty the person who reported him gets 10% just saying

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I doubt that the IRS initiated its investigation based on an informant turning them in. Probably looked at his lifestyle: his travels, a mansion on a golf course and the BMWs he drives. Then compared it to his income tax return.

    Randy, your mother has ties to Weinland for more than a decade. I seriously doubt that she will stop following him. Hopefully you can find some kind of arrangement where that doesn’t get in between your relationship with her.

  • Jocko says:

    Less than one hour to go before Ron’s very first Pentecost sermon in this new age.

    Front row seat tickets for Christ’s return will be honored at today’s sermon providing
    all seat belts are buckled as per the Hillbilly’s advise.

    Good thinking there Johnny for there will be much whiplash suffered today.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Good thinking there Johnny for there will be much whiplash suffered today.”


  • gullible says:

    I was disappointed by Christ’s non return on 27th May … wished Ron had got this one right and proved once and for all that all the mockers and everyone else were wrong. Ron’s god is merciful indeed and is still is working out his purpose, and it was his will for Ron to be given the wrong date to test PKG, and extend the mockers time. PKGers need to continue on their faith. It’s not going to be easy, but God will help them through this fiery trial. The mockers here will always be here to help, to help fulfill at least one of Ron’s prophecy – i.e. about the mockers. This should help PKGers continue with their faith as knowing that they are being persecuted, makes the mind feel more special. Time (and sleep) of course will heal, as human have short memory and have tendency to move on (forget all the failed prophecies). Especially in this internet age with endless information, it’s would be lot faster to forget, then in times past. The more/faster it goes in, the more/faster it goes out. Ron’s god is not going to make it easy for anyone to show where his “true” church is – PKG, so that everyone in PKG should have full confidence that they are special indeed, and have the assurance that Ron’s god has “especially” called them.

    Yes, it’s not really bad thing for Ron of Christ’s non-return, as long as there’s ongoing troubles in the world and people fear what’s coming, why should Ron stop – the momentum is already there. Failed prophecy is just a small stumble in the overall momentum Ron already has. Say 90% of 1000 members on average income pays tithe (don’t forget that everyone’s tithes are monitored as they are online transfers), as some may not earn any income (i.e. on welfare). Say an average income (after tax) of $50K. So 900 x $5000 = $4.5 Million per year. Lucrative or what? This does not include holy day offerings bonus. On a good period, such as Ron’s running downhill moments, bonus can be 2, 3 4 or 5 times greater. On a bad period, such as failed prophecies, bonus may not be so much. But hey, it’s not so bad, website cost is only about 1%. The rest for Ron, his staff and Google ads which prove to the PKGers that their money is used for a worthwhile purpose and that is too warn the world of coming destruction, but not so much for God to “call” more people, as we already know that no one can be called unless god calls them.

  • Frank Thomas says:

    Folks, let us attack Ron on his theology and eschatology. He makes the same mistake as Van Impe, Hal Lindsey, John Hagee and the left behind bunch.

    Fulfilled prophecy happened at AD 70. Mt. 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    Ron holds to a gross and blasphemic doctrine of works salvation. Law was nailed to the cross.

    Col. 213 ¶ And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    We need to attack Ron where it hurts most, with the truth of scripture.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Frank, let’s not do that. Theological arguments will not be productive and probably will be counter-productive.

    At least not on this blog. If you want to do that, to take a theological approach, then do as Jack635 did and start your own blog. I’ll even provide a link to it, as I have to Jack’s.

    But _this_ blog is not a platform for advancing theological arguments. No preaching here on this blog, thank you very much.

  • randy terlecki says:

    no mike it won’t .but thanks ! when the ( asshole says something is going to happen) i tell her it aint going to just like everything he said didn’t and the next day i asked her what happen he said it would. her reply is i’dont remember sounds like a politician to me. but mike i feel 4 the people that had no one to watch after them some quit there jobs ,cashed in 401ks this asshole just dont get it! him and his gold digging wife need to get off there high horse and think about other peoples life! especially the ones who can’t think 4 there selfs sure glad we got u!!!!!

  • Mark says:

    Remember, Ron stated in The Edge radio interview on December 15, 2007 that he would not follow Ellen White and recalculate a new end goal and keep moving the ball down the field. “If we come to the point in time where what I’ve said doesn’t come to pass, the reality is that I’m just a false prophet. That’s the bottom line…
    The reality is if it doesn’t happen, then you’re just false…I’ll acknowledge my error, my wrong, if I’m wrong…”

    You can listen to it on his website.

    Ron is an absolute, unquestionable, there’s your proof, liar. He lied, he’s a liar. He’s not a minister of God. He is the chief liar, leading a bunch of enablers.

    Nobody should be the least bit surprised at any of this. Lying and deceit, arrogance and spitefulness are the DNA which makes up Ronald Weinland. It’s his heart and soul. The troubling part is knowing that there are people who have nothing in their life left that they can’t escape the bonds which they have made with him.
    I pray he is found guilty of the tax evasion charges and is sentenced to the maximum prison term. Maybe THAT’s the wakeup call his followers need. But I wouldn’t bet on it. People still follow Charles Manson.

  • ronald weinerhead says:

    Just wondering if any feel that helping any family members with professional exit counseling would interest them. Can we take this fight to the streets? Would it be worth it?

  • ronald weinerhead says:

    Has anyone ever sued a cult leader and won?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    While Ron may ride to court in his BMW, hoping he’ll leave in a van on the way to prision.

  • randy terlecki says:


  • Mary E. says:

    To Ron’s Followers:
    Yesterday was a “moment of truth”revealing thate 50th Truth was not true!
    Now, Ron’s “Present Truth” means that all these years (31/2) the “50th Truth” was not true!!!
    Notice Sleeping Sheep:
    In Matthew 7:15, Yahshua the Messiah said:”Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.”
    Don’t let Ron and Laura get away with an added year!!
    Don’t move forward!! Cut off the funds!! (Tithe)
    All this time, you have been fooled by Ron’s “Razzle-Dazzle”.
    And to Mike, DDTFA : Good work all these years.

    A New Testament Believer
    Mary E.

  • Rterlecki says:

    U got that right mary

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Damn good point Mary!!!

  • Actually, I agree with RW: “Move forward”… out of the PKG… and take your money with you.

    Actually, that’s not what he meant, but leave anyway: It’s obvious you don’t need him to tell you what to do, since he’s made such a mess of things.

  • Atrocious says:

    To the PKG members. Ron has been proven to be 100% wrong, over and over and over again. He has taken your money. He has lied over and over and over again. Please do not let him continue to take your money. Please do not continue to believe his lies. He said he would quit if nothing happened. He did not. He did not because you continue to believe his lies and give him your money. Why would he quit since he gets free money? It is you who are keeping him going. Please, take what dignity you have left and walk away from him, and do not go back. Please.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    The more I think if it the more powerful Mary’s post is.

    I mean, the whole reason Ron explained the first timeline failure was because of the 50th Truth, which has now proven false.

    If anything could possibly convince a PKG member to leave, I really think this would be it. It’s staring them dead in the face! (If Jesus non return wasn’t enough in itself!)

  • worker says:

    Individuals and families within PKG need to ”move forward” and leave the church. Waiting another day much less a little less than another year for next Pentecost is unproductive. Please come out from this con man and woman and reunite with your friends and loved ones. Once again, their are other churches you may go to that believe in the Holy Days and the Sabbath. Mr. Weinland has failed according to Scripture and is not anything, but a failed pastor, apostle, and prophet. If you want to feel special then pray to the Lord that he will lead you out of this church(term is use very loosely). If you have quit our job, sold all/most of your belongings, waited on the couch for the end of age etc., this is your cue to leave. There are many here willing to chat with you and help you leave this church. Please believe me that you are better off not being in PKG because I used to be a baptized member.

  • Or…

    Stop rewarding incompetence.

    How useless is that?

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Atrocious, ” I tawt I taw a pooty tat ” ? ” I did, I did !, tee a pooty tat !”, what a lovely little kitty, I saw the pic that you sent to Mike to post, gorgeous !

    One day some of those people will heed your post, but they ( pkg’ers ), will have to be ready, maybe they’ll re-consider they’re position if RW gets to do some hard jail time.

  • gullible says:

    The day after tomorrow – can’t see Ron’s google ad again.
    Yes, starve the beast – stop all tithes and offerings to Ron, and hope he can’t do anymore damage. But then again, it’s a very small outlay to keep his website going and posting his recordings has no additional expense as he already owns the equipment, so Ron can continue indefinitely, even if all funds stops. Plus, he likes the attention from the mockers, which gives him even more reason to continue.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Yes, I believe that Ron appreciates the attention I give him even though he rails against me. It makes him like Herbert Armstrong who has websites critical of him. But even if I stopped, he would not.

    Ron only needs a few tithe slaves to provide him and the Silent Witness with a comfortable retirement. May be less comfortable than what they’re used to after the IRS gets what they’re after. Probably some church member will put them up, maybe the one who lives across the street from them.

  • Jocko says:

    Just turned on Ron’s sermon and some of the first words out of his mouth
    were are a reminder about Pentecost offerings. Can you believe this
    guy? Once again Jack hits the nail on the head. Just heard Ron say “you
    heard about the 50th truth-That was minor compared to this”.

    Earlier today I caught the tale end of the live sermon while Ron was talking
    about plans for this years feast. Could you believe he actually mocked some
    of his own followers by mimicking the ones who may not be able to afford
    to attend this years feast.

    He used a tone of voice very similar to the voice he’s used in the past to
    mock Mike and others here on Mike’s blog so I’m sure the subject
    will be addresses in Mike’s review. This guy is pure evil ten times over
    and the sooner he’s incarcerated the better.

  • The Feast this year may give new meaning to preaching to the spirits in prison.

  • Don D says:


    In the first eight pages of his book “2008 God’s Final Witness”, Weinland spends time discussing what God’s Truth is and proclaiming that God has given him THE TRUTH which is expounded in both that book and in his previous book “The Prophesied End-Time”.

    In those two books he describes all the events which will happen before Christ returns. The COG-PKG website still says that Christ will return on May 27 2012.

    On page 8 he says: “Only the next few years can prove whether or not these two books are true and of God”.


    “If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete fiction”.

    In case you didn’t catch that, I’ll repeat it:

    “If nothing happens, then you can know positively that this is complete finction”.


    Even a child can understand that, ACCORDING TO RON’S OWN TEST OF VALIDITY, as nothing that he predicted has happened, everything he wrote in those two book IS COMPLETE FICTION.

    The test has been taken. Ron Weinland’s books were, after all, COMPLETE FICTION. Based on his own published criteria, this proves that he never was GOD’S END-TIME WITNESS AND PROPHET.

    INVITATION TO RON’S FOLLOWERS: If you can mount a logical argument which comes to the opposite conclusion, please let us all know here on this blog.

    We’d love to hear from you……

  • Janet says:

    Ron was the assistant pastor in our church in WCG here in cincy years ago. I know many people who are with him I still shake my head as to why they support him. One of his elders I highly respected years ago is right there with him. I shake my head over and over again that he supports this guy. I am sad at what this false minister, Ron Weinland has put these people through and still putting them through. I hope he goes to prison. He deserves it!

    Trust no man and place your heart and trust in God.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Perhaps you’re talking about Ralph Dowd, who travels on his own dime to follow Ron and Laura around the country. Guess he’ll be staying closer to home unless Ron can beat the government in his tax case.

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Can’t understand why a bloke who writes two books about complete b*ll s&it, and then keeps heaping it on his congregations’ , seemingly forever more ?, is still concerned about his Mockers ? did’nt he say , in the pre-recorded message ( allow me to paraphrase ), that the time has come, no more nights on the computer , writing sermons and posts ? no more trips, no more mockers, no more hardship and difficulty for the church and the two wetmesses ? what is he ? a complete nut ? ( imbacile )

    Anyone, who has made such farcical claims, is gonna attract controversy, criticism, and when it DOES’NT go the way he says, mockers, yes mockers ! Wow Ron ? who knew ?

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Hey , move over Dr. Demento, Ron Weinland, is gett’n a mickey mouse cap, and a fish-head hat ! LoL

  • Tony from Wisconsin says:

    Hitler wooooo’d his people. Charles Manson etc. etc. etc. This world is not demon free. I believe that there is a price Ron must pay for his evilness and he can not pay it with the rubles he cons from his followers. Now if Ron were wise he would flee this country and live out his life in comfort. Now we get to see if he is wise or stupid.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    If Ron were to flee the country, he’d have to somehow get to a country without an extradition treaty. The feds are trying him for criminal tax evasion.

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    One thing we nedd to keep in mind is, that nobody gets off scott free, for the evils they do, though they can repent of thse evils if God grants them repentence, the scary thing is when people no longer see that they have anything to repent of, then how do they repent.

    A sign of a converted person is , that they always have many things to repent of daily, but if sins are bad enough, we will be forgiven on repentence, but we might have to pay a physical price the rest of our life as did King David.

    All of us can be sure our sins will find us out, it might take a while though.

  • disgusted 54 says:

    My husband. Believes Ron and everything he says. He is very smart I cant understand how Ron has a hold on him. IT HAS PUT A STRAIN on his relationship with his sons and they used to be close. We will soon be married fourth years BUT I don’t know if we will make it. RON has tore our family apart. PEOPLE should petition to have him taken off the Internet.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hoping the feds will take him entirely off the street for several years after his tax trial.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    So sorry to hear disgusted :(…. The legacy of rotten Ron and his wicked wench.

  • gullible says:

    “(not sure what Ron’s stance was at the time, I believe it was that that day was 24 hrs long)”

    Yes Martin, Ron taught strongly that the day of the Lord is a 24hour period. He even had the audacity to discredit those that believed otherwise (such as a 30 day period). Ron has exceptional mind power, in that he can make you believe everything he says (even after he changes them at will) – take it or leave. Of course, once your caught into his trap, you have too much invested in him and Ron’s god, that you can’t to leave (as you’re now broke or in the process of being broke). In which case, he will invent new truths, to make you leave. Besides, he doesn’t want people to stay for too long. He’s already milked you for all you’ve got …, no further use of you. And he definitely don’t want you to stay, as he doesn’t intent to return the money he’s taken from you.

  • gullible says:

    But for those on welfare (and probably single with no close relatives or friends that could be affected), I’d say keep following Ron, as you don’t need to pay tithes ever. Offerings yes, but you can give the very minimal. You might even get some value, and learn the Ron’s deceitful art and use it on him.

  • Jocko says:

    When I heard Ron mock the faithful who may longer have jobs, homes, retirement funds, or the ones who are unable to afford attending this years EIGHT DAY FEAST I almost couldn’t believe what my ears were hearing. Thank you Gullible for providing some insight on Ron’s MOF (method of operation) So once a cash cow is out of milk Ron kicks it to the side of the road and then moves on never looking back.