Duck and Cover

I awoke this morning after a refreshing sleep.  False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s moment of torment hasn’t hit me yet. I looked outside and saw that the grass was green and tall.  So the first trumpet hasn’t blown yet.  I heard some thunders last night too, but that was associated with a heavy rainstorm and were not Ron’s “thunders”.  If Ron’s prophecies don’t come true and I don’t die as part of the 7000 “named”, then I’ll have to mow my lawn.  Oh well, I’ll have a long weekend to do that.

Even after blogging this for years, some have the wrong idea about the timing of the moment Ron has scheduled for Christ’s return.  While Harold Camping had the idea that the rapture was to occur at 5 PM timezone-by-timezone on May 21 of last year, Ronnie has the return happening at the same time for everybody.  The time for Christ’s return is to be at sundown today in Jerusalem, 7:36 PM Israel Daylight Time.

Ron’s May 27 actually begins at sundown the evening before, and although he’s spiritualized Jerusalem in recent sermons and postings on his blog, Christ is returning to physical Jerusalem. Sundown in Jerusalem today is at 4:36 PM UTC, 12:36 PM Eastern Time, 11:36 AM Central, 10:36 AM Mountain, 9:36 AM Pacific coast time.  It will be early Sunday morning in New Zealand and Australia (2:36 AM in Sydney).

This post is being published exactly 4 hours before the big event.  To see the time remaining, look at the countdown clock on the top right side of this blog.  It should be accurate to the minute if your PC is configured correctly.

Here are a few things that are supposed to happen in the next few hours, according to Ron’s revised timeline:

  • The first trumpet will blow and kill all the green grass.  So I won’t have to mow my lawn.
  • World War 3 is to break out between the Beast Power and the Asiatic Hordes, as short as an hour before Christ’s return.  Some “nukular” weapons will go off in the US.
  • The warring parties will pause as they see something in the sky.  According to Weinland, they’ll think it’s a UFO with aliens inside.  But it will really be Christ.
  • The 7000 “named” which includes yours truly as well as leading CoG ministry will die.  Somehow amongst the turmoil of World War 3 and other events, this fact will be communicated to 63000 people who were members of WCG on December 17, 1994 and shock them into joining PKG.  The silver lining is that I won’t have to mow my lawn — oh, never mind.  The grass was killed in the first trumpet earlier in the morning.
  • Over the 24 hours that follow Christ’s return, 7 vials of whoopass will be poured out on the earth.

Stay tuned to news sources for warnings of World War 3, or if brave watch the skies for UFO-looking things that will be Christ returning.



  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Oh wait! I saw something in the sky…nope, just a goose…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    It’s interesting that Ron’s Google ad campaign is still going on. I wonder if he’ll pull the plug on that when Christ doesn’t return. Or if he’ll be pulling any kind of plug at that time.

  • Myrm says:

    Hi. You said in your latest post above (26 May 12) that the post was being made exactly 4 hours before the end time according to Ronald Weinland. Yet, isn’t it supposed to happen on the 27th of May? That means surely that your post was made 28 hours before the time.

  • sebastian says:

    May 27th im Jerusalem myrm, we r in the US and Canada

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Myrm, read my blog post again.

  • Myrm says:

    Sebastian says: “May 27th im Jerusalem myrm, we r in the US and Canada”

    Still a little confused. So, Jesus returns at 7:36pm on 27 May 12? Jerusalem is not more than 24 hours ahead of the US, it it? For example 7:36pm Jerusalem time is 5:36pm UK time. It’s 1400 here in the UK – 26 May 12. So that means that Jesus returns (UK time) in 27 hours or so. So how can it only be 4 hours time in the US?

    Oh, as I was typing this I read the post again and it says “Ron’s May 27 actually begins at sundown the evening before, and although he’s spiritualized Jerusalem in recent sermons and postings on his blog, Christ is returning to physical Jerusalem.” I see, may bad. So Jesus returns tomorrow but the events preceding it start 24 hours beforehand?

  • xHWA says:

    Good thing I didn’t blow all my money in Hawaii this month. My cash, odd as this may sound, still retains a good deal of value. Unexpected, but true.

  • sebastian says:

    Now i am confused…i go by mikes counter, that says 3 1/2hrs or so, so thats how ive been going by. What i think it is, Jerusalem is probably about 8-9 hrs ahead of us, in 3 hours, it will be 1230ish over there which will be 1236 May 27th while its May 26th 1236 here….wait does it matter??…haha

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Myrm, you need to read my blog post again, carefully. I don’t know how else to say it.

  • sebastian says:

    Yes, myrm, whwn it is may 26th 12:36 here, it is May 27th 12:36 in the morning over there. Thats what im thinking. Oh well, anyways, does it matter? Haha all i kno 100% is that Sunday night, Ron has some explanations to make up…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Sebastian, you need to take another read of my blog post as well.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    May 27th for Weinland starts at sundown because it is Pentecost, and any/all Jewish Sabbaths and holy days begin sundown the night before, and end at sun down the next day. So for example, Saturday is the calendar day that (most of) the sabbath occurs on, but it is measured as Friday night to Saturday night. Thus, even though it is still Saturday, a jew can work on a Saturday night because the religious “Sabbath” is over…So the May 27th Holy Day is a religious day that starts in 3 hrs.

    Either way, no matter how you measure it…Jesus Christ is NOT returning anytime soon…Sabbath or not…

    …and thus Ronald Weinland is a FALSE PROPHET…

  • Richard Ball says:

    Because of Genesis, where it says “and the evening and the morning were the first day”, the Jews regard the start of a day occurring not at midnight, or at sunrise, but at sunset — “evening”. Weinland has tied Christ’s return to this year’s date for the celebration of Pentecost. So, May 27th begins at sundown of May 26th.

    At least, I think that’s how it works.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    You’ve got it, Richard.

  • sebastian says:

    Ok…haha i will and yea what Avalo said…i think lol

  • Myrm says:

    I am currently listening to his final sermon. Although I think he’s wrong about the end time (as in the Bible Jesus says that the angels in Heaven, and not even He Himself knows the date that God has set for this), but it’s still a little scary that something like that could happen in as little as 1 day’s time. 🙁

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    SEBASTIAN: Rememner this feeling. You were scared that the world might be ending and that maybe Ronald Weinland just might be right. You were feeling kind of freaked out, and we here at the blog reassured you that you were going to be OK. Well? Mike (DDTFA) is a very smart and kind person, and he has given you aplace on the Internet to come and share your fears and concerns in a safe place with no judgement. Feels nice, doesn’t it? Knowing that when the world is scary you can find other people in the world to help you.

    You can pay this feeling forward by helping others around you feel less lonely and scared too, so don;t be afraid to go out and give food to the food banks, and donate your old clothes to charities, etc. YOU TOO can make people feel less afraid! 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    MYRM: Don;t worry. It is NOT going to happen in a day. And if you are a Christian, then you will still be OK because PROMISED that those who believed him would not be harmed when the Apocalypse comes. So you WIN both ways.

    You can relax and enjoy your day. I GUARANTEE you your weekend will be Non-Apocalyptic and Messiah-Free…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Plus, all the stuff that is supposed to happen before the Biblical End of the World hasn’t even been CLOSE to starting yet, so you are COMPLETELY SAFE for now…

  • Myrm says:

    I wish Jesus would return tomorrow though. That would be awesome. I long for that day.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Myrm, just be careful with that. Don’t send any money to _anyone_ who claims to know when it will happen.

  • Myrm says:

    I have been listening to Andrew Wommack teaching the Word for almost 20 years now. Do any of you hear listen to him preaching God’s Word? 🙂

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Myrm, I think most of us here have learned our lesson from bitter experience, and don’t let others do our thinking for us. So no, probably none of us have listened to {insert name of religious guru}.

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    Why all the hub-bub, all we need to do is read (Matt.24:27 ~ Matt. 24:36) “Of that day and hour knows no man…..” , also Acts 1:7 is another good one.

    If people would just read the words of God and believe them, they would give very little credence to the many false prophets that have arisen like Weinland over many hundreds of years.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ah, but Jack — the Bible doesn’t say that no one would _ever_ know the day or hour.

    The Bible is a very versatile book. Interpret it any way you want. And people do.

  • Pope Fiction says:

    I’ve heard of Wommack, but that’s it. I hear he has detractors like anyone else. I also feel a slight sense of guilt that I ordered Weinland’s books before they became irrelevant, just to see what his deal was. Free for me since I don’t trust men with my money, but probably paid through someone’s tithes. Makes me feel like part of the problem when I think about it.

  • Myrm says:

    I too have the two Weinland books, and I too got them for free, I wouldn’t give him my money. When I was reading the latest books (2008) I ewas enjoying it until I read the bit where he announced that he was one of the Two Witnesses. After that it all went downhill.

  • jack635 says:

    I have been listening to Andrew Wommack teaching the Word for almost 20 years now. Do any of you hear listen to him preaching God’s Word?

    Who the hell is Andrew Wommack? Does that answer your question?

    I’ve been listening to Jesus teaching the Word for almost 2000 years now.

    And then there is Avalokiteshvara, (resident atheist), who just said the most generous truth out of the Bible which releases you from any preachers words:

    And if you are a Christian, then you will still be OK because PROMISED that those who believed him would not be harmed when the Apocalypse comes.

    Whosoever believes on the Name of Jesus will be saved. It really is that simple. It is also very simple for a preacher to twist that sentence around to mean the exact opposite, as Mike just stated. I can post some quotes from Homer Simpson on the same subject if you want.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Exactly. All Christinas are OK if Jesus is real. No worries, no fears. I, on the other hand, have a LOT to be worried about IF Jesus is real! 🙂

    But I would still reject Jesus anyways, even if he DID show up, as I hate his Dad!

  • Richard Ball says:

    “until I read the bit where he announced that he was one of the Two Witnesses. After that it all went downhill.”

    Indeed. That is what makes the stakes so breathtakingly high. He is — delusions of grandeur — claiming not just to be a run-of-the-mill dime-a-dozen end-time prophet but to be the fulfillment of Scripture. If wrong, it is not just a mistake; it is a colossal error of the highest order. Which is why I say, when proven wrong, he must shut up and say nothing again. He is disqualified to lead a flock. He is disqualified to give directions to the local 7/11. He is discredited. He needs to close his doors, return whatever funds remain, sell his house and give the money back, and then see if he can get a job at the 7/11.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    2.2 HOURS TO GO UNTIL RONALD WEINLAND IS PROVEN TO BE A FALSE PROPHET YET AGAIN…This will be the THIRD time he has falsely prophesied about the End of the World and the return of Jesus Christ.2.2 hours until Ron gets to keep his PROMISE to repent and admit he is a false prophet (as promised on March 12, 2011 in his sermon “A Final Plea”).

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    Mike, that is true, God Says “I will do nothing unless I reveal it to my servants the prophets”, but not everyone that says he is a prophet, is a prophet, much less a true prophet, these are in the extreme minority.

    The thing I am getting at is, that Iam not a prophet, and at this time , I do not know of any true prophets, at least that are having God speak directly to them to go to the world , There are true prophets around that are faithfully speaking the words of God from the scriptures, not all prophets are directly predicting events, only those directly inspired of God, also not all prophets do miracles, as John the baptist did no miracles.

    The Two witnesses will be true, directly inspired prophets, so I and many who are wise will just wait for God to raise up true prophets, and this will be done in God’s time, not our times, which are very often wrong , we need to wait on the Eternal (Acts 1:7)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well, you may be right Jack. I don;t believe it, but I wouldn’t mind being wrong about Jesus if it mean all the war and suffering stops, and the stupid prosperity theologists like Creflo Dollar and his cronies would just shut up and repent already.


    “So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012.

    As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous. Candidly (and some are going to really hate hearing this), I’d deeply repent of all those things that concern prophecies that I have given in the office of a prophet BUT I’d seek to hold fast to all that I believe with all my being to be true concerning the word of God. I would begin to go back through all 57 Truths (and I’d hope others would do exactly the same thing), IF… just to be open about it. I’d go back through all 57 Truths and eliminate those that are shown to be untrue, repenting as I did so; but I would hold fast to all that I believed to be true. ..”

  • Jacque says:

    I don’t exactly know why I feel compelled to write, but I do so here goes. I didn’t sleep at all well last night….not that I believe my brother’s nonsense, it was just that I kept waking up thinking about the comments that you all made here yesterday. I only occasionally read excerpts from this site in the past to see what was going on with my brother. I knew nothing of it any other way. Anyway, I could feel the hurt yesterday and that has really bothered me. And yes, I get it because I was where you are a few years back. I was filled with “the truth” from my youth and it was hard to get past hurt it caused in my life. You asked me yesterday why I was writing and I didn’t actually know. I think after a prayerful night I may have figured out the reason.

    One thing that I know positively is that if you hang on to hatred it eats you up. I didn’t have just one man to direct my anger at so it may have been easier for me to see what I needed to do to find peace. I’m not trying to minimize my brother’s culpability in your angry feelings, I get it that his actions have hurt all of you….and me as well. What I’m saying is, if you let that hurt and anger fester it only hurts you….and in essence the other person wins. What I want to say is that I now take responsibility for my own actions, (and I know that others that I love need to be held accountable for their actions as well). I give that task to God, because I know He if fully capable of taking care of it. I think it was harder for me to forgive myself for being foolish than it was for me to forgive those that I “followed”. Forgiving to me does not mean forgetting. If we forget, then we leave ourselves open to have it happen to us again. Sorry, I didn’t mean for this to be so long. Hope this is helpful to someone.

  • jack635 says:

    2.2 hours until Ron gets to keep his PROMISE to repent and admit he is a false prophet

    Well, if he does not flee the country, he DID say he would “repent and move forward”. So if he is not a con artist, Mike would be 100% correct in saying he will continue to preach and will not admit to being a false prophet. He will simply ignore any damage he has caused, blame it on something else, and “repent and move forward”.

  • We see even more arrogance for someone to say that Jesus is returning at sundown. Why not at midnight? Or better yet, just to give the troops time to gather at Armageddon (not one word on this from Israel yet), why not sunrise? It’s horrible to fight in the dark (where are the tanks and mobile missle launchers?). Or maybe best of all, noon, or noon, right after lunch: We would not want to fight on an empty stomach?

    See, the women did not go to the tomb until after sunrise the next morning and there was already a “He is risen”.

    So 2 more hours? Bah! More like, oh, 14.

    Just sayin’.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Jacque said “One thing that I know positively is that if you hang on to hatred it eats you up.”

    That statement resonates a bit with me. Your brother actually said that to me in sermons. After his death curse on me failed to happen, he claimed that I was eaten up inside with hatred.

    Speaking for myself, that is not the case. Your brother rails at me to “get a life!!! go fishing!!!”. While I don’t care for fishing, I do have a “life”, with a career and other interests (ballroom dancing and photography) and a social life. I am close enough to the situation to have some knowledge but distant enough to be able to maintain perspective. I left Armstrongism when I came of age prior to the first great tribuation that was supposed to start in 1972.

    Herbie’s not around any more. So I’m “paying it forward” to your brother. And perhaps helping others in some small way, for example Kirrily and ChaCha who decided to leave the cult. And 15 year-old Sebastian who is worried about this nonsense.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The pope is in the news.

    Oh never mind. He’s not heading up the beast power. His butler was arrested for stealing documents.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    jacque: You are sooo wrong about hate. If properly managed, hate can get you to the top of the ladder, and the sweet revenge of living life better than the bastards who put that hate into you.

    While you are abdicating your responsibility for your part in support by “giving the task to God”, I am driving a luxury car. live in a giant house, have a hot wife, super job, luxury vacations around the world, and so on….al brought to you by HATE. Money can’t buy happiness, kids. But it CAN buy the circumstances in which you can be a happy, well fed, rich-ass atheist.

    I’ll be thinking of you Jacque while I go for my morning swim in my heated outdoor pool…

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    Here are a few of the traits of cults and cult leaders.

    Cults are groups or organizations of men and women that claim that the things that they teach and do, are for the betterment of the individuals, the groups, the nation or the world.

    Many cults have started with “good” intentions, but with human nature and Satan at the bottom of them; they usually deteriorate very quickly. For instance many religionists did start out with high ideals, until the money started rolling in.

    Also many charitable organizations have started out with pure intentions, but over the years, they have become “big business”, of course every year they will gain publicity feeding winos on thanksgiving and xmas, mainly in order to get recognition and people’s sympathy; also to gain large donations.

    Yes, many charities do help people, but they help themselves first, and some of them have turned into cults, even animal help orgs have done this.

    Unions have also started out with good intentions, until the underworld has gotten hold of their purse strings, then the Unions swing to the other end. Cults also have to have a scape goat, or a (implied) problem group to hate such as Stalin had (The Rich). The Unions (The employers), Hitler (The Jews and communists), Catholics (The Protestants), Protestants (The Catholics), Moslems (the Jews and Christians), the White Supremacists (The Blacks), etc, “Ad-Nauseum.

    Cults need a cause, “We love God”,”We love you’, “We will help you’,”we will make the World a better place’,”We will cure all evils’, “we will right all wrongs’ Sometimes entire countries have been turned into cults… Russia, Germany, Cuba, Iraq, Italy and etc. Also, cults become very protective of their member’s (Money) welfare. “A few of the traits of the cultleaders” Most cult leaders are people that have inferiority complexes, many of them have come from low backgrounds; with very unloving Fathers, three dictators that I can recall, were beaten unmercifully by their fathers… Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein. They didn’t receive love and mercy, so they never learned love and mercy.

    Another terrifying truth about most cult leaders is, that they have either Sociopathic minds, psychopathic minds or psycho-sociopathic minds, and the ramifications of this malady are, that the true psychopaths are:

    #1 Glib and superficial

    #2 Egocentric and grandiose

    # 3 They have a lack of remorse and guilt

    #4 Lack of empathy

    #5 They are deceitful and manipulative

    #6 they have shallow emotions

    #7 Impulsive

    #8 Poor behavior controls

    #9 Need excitement

    #10 Lack of responsibility

    #11 Early behavior problems

    #12 Adult antisocial problems

    These people have a form of insanity, which was at one time called moral insanity, a insanity in which these people can usually masquerade as normal people and fool certain people for a time.

    These people are not normal, because even though they can seemingly speak about things in a normal way, as if they understand normal human love, emotion and warmth, they understand none of it, in fact they are more like very intelligent robots, inotherwords, they have no to little conscience and true reasoning ability and it is like they have a piece missing from their brains.

    It might be that these unfortunate people were born with out this piece of the brain, which allows them to reason like a normal person; it might also be, that demons have blocked off this reasoning area of their brains, if though indeed, they’ve been born with out this reasoning area in the frontal lobes, then it is very fertile territory for demons to enter and control; though they can control their thinking areas of the brain, they cannot reason correctly, and their faulty reasoning usually ends up in great evil ends.

    In otherwords the true psycho-sociopath is more like a human beast, who can go through the outward signs of thinking and behaving like a normal human being, but they are morally insane, and just a shell of a real reasoning, thinking emotional human being, they are like people that know the words of a song, but cannot understand the music.

    Many of these individuals end up in jail, or in professions like unscrupulous salesmen, church leaders like Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggert, Jimmy Baker, Billy Sol Estes and other religious frauds, mobsters, pro-gamblers, con men, stockmarket hypsters, dishonest executives,boiler room cons and almost any profession where empathy and genuine care about their fellow humans can get lost in the shuffle and they don’t stand out as much, and when they are caught, they very seldom ever blame themselves for their crimes, they always blame others or other circumstances for their plight, and most of them are very adept at getting out of situations by telling more lies.

    Most serial killers are psycho-sociopaths, but even those that aren’t in a position to do as much harm usually still cause problems in their sphere, no matter how large or small it may be.

    A distinctive trait of psychopaths is their lies which can be easily proved to be just that, however they put on such a deceptive front, that most will not even question whether the things that they say are lies, when they could easily do so.

    They put on a very deceptive front such as the woman in Georgia who poisoned her three husbands and two of her children for the life insurance, yet most everyone in her town thought she was a wonderful, kind person.

    Many cult leaders are very intelligent and have a gift for speaking, unfortunately most of them are true psychopaths and do not have a great proclivity for telling the truth, except when it is to their benefit.

    Most psychopaths are great mimickers and parroters of original ideas or the works of others, but they always insert their own corrupted versions of the original works, they very often do this with the truth and words of the holy scriptures.

    Most cult leaders learn very early, that they are very convincing to people (Mainly gullible people), so therefore these “leaders” think that they have found their calling. The people that they prey on, are usually the old, the weak, the lonely, the gullible and the mentally unstable, but another major group that they prey upon, is those that have money and they usually end up praising and flattering the wealthier members of their cult.

    Most of the others in their group are certainly expected to give of their money, but they are looked upon by the leaders as “stupid”; whereas those, who can give a lot of money to the “cause”, are looked upon as “Our good friends”, and they are welcomed right into the “inner circle”. Unfortunately, many of these cult like “leaders” usually make politics or religion their “forte”.

    Jimmy Jones was one of these that did, Jimmy might have even started out with right intentions, but they didn’t last very long, and he started following the classic actions of a cult leader. Same way with Jimmy Baker and David Koresh, Jimmy Jones started out acting like he was full of love for his “converts”,and he was in many cases genuinely “helpful”, then he got their confidence, to where he had them under his spell, where they would do anything he wanted them to. His next step, was to isolate them in a lesser degree, and to keep them away from anybody that would threaten his”rulership” over them, or the money supply.

    Money is always a big thing with cult leaders, and they make the people feel ashamed and guilty if they don’t give more and more. Many Cult Leaders have a “Messianic Complex”, and now that they have followers, they really start believing that they are God’s “prophet or messenger”, then they start deluding themselves. If anyone or anybody affronts them in any way, then they get paranoid, and they set up an enforcing arm, usually other deluded people; most of them inherently violent; to police their great “kingdom”

    One of the last things these ” false messiahs” do, is to completely isolate their followers, and set up spy networks, and if there is any hint that their converts are trying to “desert”, then they get them and even threaten them with “Hellfire”, ex-communication ( hell) or even bodily harm.

    When the cult followers are completely isolated, then they are nominally or even literally held prisoner. Jmmy Jones finally completely isolated his followers, by taking them to a very inaccessible area (Guinea).

    The Unproved “Petra” doctrine was a way WCG could hold people nominally captive, by threatening that they would not get to go there if they got out of line. This doctrine will probably be used against the brethren again by some of the COG leaders; at least to get the people’s money.

    This happens very often in churches, it has even happened in some of the Churches of God. RCG didn’t start out wrong, but in the end under WCG; it had turned into a cult, you had certain people thinking that they were above reproach, or that their words were equal to canonized scripture.

    As far as some in WCG go, they had a basic correct outline on the general scope of prophecy, but they mis-interpreted many of them, and added time frames and scare tactics; in order to get more money out of the brethren.

    Many cult leaders try to equate spiritual acumen with monetary donations. In WCG There was all kinds of duplicity, there were sexual scandals; money scandals; variance; power struggles; harangues; false prophecies; spy networks and every other kind of problem, this is not to say that there weren’t converted, true servants of God in the leadership, and in the laity.

    Its no wonder God allowed it to be destroyed, but through out all of this, there were faithful brethren, who were striving to obey God, and many these faithful people are still around, striving to obey God today. Right now, some of these cult leaders have gotten hold on some of God’s people, the psychopathic – sociopath Gerald Flurry is one of them; he follows most of the classic traits of having a messianic complex. He has his Scapegoat (The Laodiceans), and he is into the isolating the members from everybody else.

    David Hulme , Dave Pack and Ron Weinland are several of the others, who are trying to isolate their members (tithe paying dupes) from the other commandment keeping brethren; and they do this for control, mainly of the tithes; this though is completely opposite to Christ’s outgoing service to all.

    This is very dangerous for the poor brethren. We need to beware of any of the leaders who have most of the traits I’ve mentioned, they are not of God. God’s way is a fearless, outgoing love for all, but the cults are fearful and full of fear; and they just have a worldly type of groupy self love.

    Nevertheless, God will have His people on the Earth at His coming; prayerfully we can hope they can escape some of the Orgs, that have been taken over by cult leaders.

    The easiest way to protect ourselves from psychopaths and just plain liars is to just prove out the things that they say, whether they are speaking truth or not, and it is up to us to do this, no matter how authoritatively they speak, or how great their presence is, or how grand and eloquent is their message; in fact we are strongly admonished to do this in (1John 4:1), and we will be responsible if we do not do this, and we need to remember that all lies come from Satan, but if we seek and do the truth, he will flee from us (James 4:7).

  • Atrocious says:

    Shadow has arrived! She says, “I know that today I have a new home, and my new human is super! I don’t care about nothing else! This Ron Weinland you all are talking about can go suck and egg! So there! Meow!”

    I love my new little baby. Mike, if you want to, you can post a picture of her. I’ll tag one to you. Later.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    QWait a minute, Jack. All those signs of a psychopath you listed…those are all the words listed in the Professional Profile on my resume!!


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Jack said: “the demons have blocked off this area of the brain”…

    LOL!! I think the demons have locked off a few areas of your brain if you actually believe that…

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    Sounds good Atrocious, little Ow-mee, we have seven of em, and they aren’t worried about much, especially the great tribulation,of which Ron said “It’s over!”

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Better watch out! The demons might block off areas of Shadow’s water dish!

  • Jack Hertzog says:

    Avolokiteshvara, the demons do not care if you believe in them or not, as long as they have you under their influence

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Of course! The demons have blocked off areas of my ability to believe in them! Those naughty demons! Always blocking off areas…

  • Yes, we would like a picture of Shadow, seeing that we have so many of Mikey.

  • jack635 says:

    Its no wonder God allowed it to be destroyed

    That was quite a “grand and eloquent” comment you just posted Jack. God did not allow WCG to be destroyed because He had nothing to do with it. WCG destroyed itself with it’s own rotten thorny fruit.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    My God Douglas, I still can’t get over how soft and gorgeous Mikey is. I want to add him to my family so bad!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ahh watch out jack635, the demons have blocked off areas of your spiritual understanding of how the demons blocked off areas of the WorldWide Church of God!


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    1.5 hours to go unti the demons block off our understanding how Jesus HAS returned, and it’s all spiritual in a powerful way, and Ronald Weinland is truly amazed at how God reveals his truth in the world by having Jesus return in a way only he can understand…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I wish Kirrily were here to countdown to Ron’s failure with us…

  • jack635 says:

    I don’t have to watch out Avalo. “Demons” are afraid of me, as well as any others who would want to try to harm me or those close to me. And if they aren’t afraid now, they will be.

  • Frank says:

    Now, if I had to strike a blow for Weinland I’d say that the idea of a rolling earthquake/rapture is way dumber than the whole trumpets & thunders thing, but then again.. the final result is gonna be the same.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Frank, you’re a bit generous with the word “result”. But I’m at a loss for a better word in this case 😀

  • Douglas says:

    @ Jacque:
    Your brother has done some serious damage to a lot of lives and quite possibly is in danger of eternal damnation for he has turned God’s word upside down and spoken imaginary things and taken advantage of the weak. I also think that you are a day late and a dollar short on this while people like Mike (DDTFA) saw it coming a long time ago and at least tried to do something. But be that as it may, even though you are late to the party, then hopefully this is a wake up call in that if you truly are concerned to do what you can to prevent any more damage. (And yes if I saw some member of my family doing such damage I would feel an obligation to step in – provided I wasn’t drinking the same kool-aid – then it is a case of blind leading the blind.)

    I also see that you are a follower of Ron Dart (though now out of commission) whom I also have had dealings with. Here I can tell you that that so-called teacher is also a real piece of work, a man who twists scripture and only works with those who can benefit him. I could go down the line with others like LCG, RCG and so on. As far as I’m concerned – all of these mis-leaders can’t die off fast enough – I’ve had it up to my eyeballs with the COGs – a lot of bad fruit from the HWA tree. They are like a cancer. My wife says – why couldn’t that part of RW’s prophecy have occurred?

    As I have mentioned before one of the biggest problems with the COG’s is they always feel they have to get behind some man – this man will tell me everything I need to know – and then the fights ensue about who has the better man – you better not attend over there because they follow so and so and God has ordained me – I’m the man, yada yada. If you truly want to know about God – then study the Bible – prove it to yourself – yes its OK to get others ideas – but then prove those ideas so that when a FP like your brother comes along – its a no brainer.

  • Atrocious says:

    Thanks for posting the picture of Shadow, Mike. When she first entered my home, she used the litter box, ate ravenously of her kitty food, drank some water, then played for about an hour…real play, exploring. Now she is zonked out and sleeping like a kitten. LOL I am soooo happy to have her. I didn’t realize how much I missed Muffin (my previous cat). What a way to celebrate Memorial Day Weekend.

  • jack635 says:

    If Ron has a thousand followers, five hundred would follow him in a sermon one week from today. Some of the rest would go to other COG’s. Some would become atheists. And some would become mentally ill requiring medication and counselling. I hope some of them do not die, or I would have to label Ron a murderer. At the very least manslaughter or criminal negligence causing death.

    But therein lies the Freedom of Religion, which most civilized countries write into their constitution or bill of rights. If even one person committs suicide over Ron’s false “prophecies”, there lies the reason for the government to bring in regulations to licence “preachers”. They should be liable to prosecution the moment they twist a single word. But alas, that will never happen, so we must take it upon ourselves to warn our children and grandchildren of the dangers of a “preacher” who “proves” that those who listen to him/her must give money to the church.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Exactly one hour to go. Hang on folks, time for World War 3!!!

  • Jacque says:

    Douglass, no I am not a follower of Ron Dart. I was before I left the entire organization back in 2000. I now study with the Berean fellowship and read and study my bible for what it says….not what someone else is telling me it says.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    According to Ron, WWIII is supoosed tyo be breaking out RIGHT NOW…”as short as an hour before Christ’s Return”…

    Only 45 minutes left Ron…

  • Just as a courtesy only, I thought I might mention Con Games.

    The previous entry also has a picture of World War III 2012.

  • Douglas says:

    How much sun protection will I need if I go out for a walk in the next 50 minutes? I understand those puppies get pretty hot.

  • Avalo, Mikey was an overweight mess when he came to us. It has taken a lot of time and effort to get him in better health and happy, but it has been worth it.

    The bad thing is that he is so LOUD when he purrs!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    In this case, you could get by with SPF 0.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    This one

  • Frank says:

    @Mike (DDTFA): let’s say “non-result”.

    @Avalo: just wondering, have you slept in the last two days? 😀

  • Beware! Use sunscreen that is waterproof: Especially if it is raining where you are.

    Still no reports of troops surrounding Jerusalem, so there’s no need to flee just yet.

    Wait for it!

  • Yes, Mike, that’s the one! (Under paid commercial license to me.)

  • Douglas says:

    @ Jacque
    OK – my bad on Ron Dart. Care to share why you left?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yes, I’ve slept. Quite soundly. I dozed off early Friday night while my wife’s guests drank and gambled.

    I snuck away into the master bedroom and fell asleep snuggled up with the cat…I have been on a short holiday for the last few days so my sleep schedule has been to just sleep whenever I felt like it! LOL!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Uh-oh, RON…LESS than 30 minutes until you ae proven to be a FALSE PROPHET yet again…

    …I think you owe JESUS an apology…

  • jack635 says:

    Avalo was up all night partying. I, on the other hand, slept like a baby and I woke up today happy, and with a spring in my step. It was supposed to rain today but the sun is shining and the sky is blue. What a great day. I just might start drinking soon.

  • But not to worry, since I just purchased another license for you at Photo Dune.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Avalo, I think your clock is a little fast. I have about 40 minutes remaining before I die as one of the 7000 “named” individuals.

  • Jocko says:

    Uh-Oh, Mike wasn’t kidding when he said duck and cover. We have foreign war planes in the sky over us here in the north eastern United States. I saw them with my own two eyes and the jets had no US markings.

    I just saw American fighter jets heading in the same direction and I’m not kidding about this. Could the US jets be on their way to engage the enemy in the air? What in the world could be happening? I’m going to turn on the boob tube to see if I can get some info.

    Guess what? No need to be alarmed. It’s only the Canadian Air Force Snowbirds and the US Navy Blue Angels heading towards Jones Beach for the Memorial Day weekend air show. Wow, what a relief!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thanks, Douglas. I updated the link in the earlier comment.

  • jack635 says:

    I grew up on Air Force bases around the world. I always loved the air shows.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Jack635: Enjoy a good drink today on this nice, sunny weekend…and since we are tracking a false prop[het, I say why not pray and thank Jesus for sparing you the misery of believing in Ronald Weinland…if Jesus exists he would probably appreciate the gesture…

    In fact, why don;t I lead everyone in a little prayer:

    Dear Jesus…I don;t believe in You and think you are not the Messiah, but others here do, so I ask you to bless them and give them hope, and encourage them to really get in there and be Christian, and all that. Thanks for not sending me to Hell just yet, and thanks for not killing all of us pagans and secularists just yet (wait until at least after I have retired, (if fthou willest). And in closing, thanks for whatever good stuff you have done, etc…Amen!

  • Douglas says:

    Why do I picture a PKG circle of some hand-holders wearing headgear? Then its 3 – 2 – 1 and up we go…. Wait my watch is a little off … now its 3 – 2 – 1 and up we go…, I said its 3 – 2 – 1 and up we go…

    Hey we didn’t transform.

    Ronald – Ronald where are you – you got some splainin to do. 🙁

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Uh-oh…20 minutes Ron!!

    20 minutes until your LIES are yet again revealed to the world…

  • sebastian says:

    His ads on google r down

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    You know what this means…Mike (DDTFA) siad that Jesus WOULDN’T return in 20 minutes…Ronald Weinland said Jesus WILL return in 20 minutes.

    That means Mike (DDTFA) will be a better PROPHET than Ronald Weinland! All Hail Mike (DDTFA)!!! (I am genuflecting…)…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’ve also noticed for the past several hours that Ron’s Google ads are gone, I did see them when I first awoke this morning.

    31 minutes to go.

  • There was lightening and thunder here last night and lost power for all of two seconds.

    Not a problem, since I have an UPS.

    Now if Jesus were to return, that would be a problem, since my UPS is only good for 20 minutes, max.

    Good thing we have no worries.

  • Myrm says:

    I still think you’re all wrong to say it is going to happen today. The Jewish day might run from midnight to midnight, but if you go to Jerusalem today their watches don’t start at 00:01 at sunset. 5:36pm (or whatever exact time is was) on 27 May 12, is tomorrow.

  • Jacque says:

    Douglas, While we were growing up, our dad was a very angry man. The only time I heard God’s name used was in vain. Lots of disfunction. Anyway, when I was in my teens, my dad started listening to Garner Ted and he did a complete turn-a-round. He decided that God does exist…and he just changed. He was very intellignet, (although not educated), and he started reading the bible and I think he understood it. (He also read encyclopedias for hours at a time.) He had emphaysema and was bedridden the last 15 years of his life. I’d go visit him and he’d be watching German news. He never took German, just learned it on his own. He told me it was more accurate than our news. Interesting man.

    Anyway, I got sucked into the whole Armstrong thing because it changed my dad for the better and I thought it must be right. Took me 30 years later and a divorce to figure it all out. You asked why I quit….it was because when my husband of 28 years left me for a woman 4 years older than our daughter, I was devastated. We were both in the church at the time and I felt that no one (except my mom and sister) in the church even acknowledged my pain. That is when I began to question my whole life. I hated to think that it had all been a lied, but I had to admit that it had. I than began petitioning God to help me understand what He wanted for me. I guess for me, that was when I began to understand what true happiness was. I’d get my bible out when I couldn’t sleep at night and it actually made sence to me for the first time in my life. I then searched for people around me that were positive, peaceful and studied God’s word for what it says and not what they want it to say. For me that is when my life actually began.

  • Myrm says:

    Oh, and if you listen to his sermon dated 26 May 12, he says tomorrow, not today!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    MYRM: Ron said that Jesus would return EXACTLY in 15minutes because it will be a very specific 9acording to Ron) amount of time from when Joe Tkach Sr., the then leader of the WWCG died to the retrun of Jesus. ordinarily, I would agree with you Mrym, but Ron has been more specific than you realise.

    Thus, we are joyfully counting down the minutes now until Ron is yet again proven to be a LIAR and an IDIOT…

  • Andrew Guenthner says:

    Sorry to have to interject some serious news, but this bit appeared on the front page of today’s local paper: “Prosecutors will be asked to decide what charge will be filed against a woman who allegedly tried to drown her 8-year-old son because she thought the end of the world was coming”. I am traveling just now so typing is a pain, but the short version is, we don’t know what, if any, role Ron’s group or ads played, the child was rescued by by-standers and is fine, the woman then tried to drown herself, failed, and is now in jail, and at least in my experience this is not typical of how CoG members are likely to behave. Still, this is one more too many on the list of incidents that people like Ron should feel some responsibility for, but at least publicly, don’t.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    10 minutes until the (NON-) Return of Christ as prophesied and foretold by RONALD WEINLAND THE FALSE PROPHET…

  • jack635 says:

    Some previous commentor mentioned Laura was probably out shopping with one of Ron’s 24 credit cards. I hope she is buying lots of sleeping bags because I sent a notice to all PKG members a couple of days ago. So Ron and Laura should be having about fourty guests tonight or tomorrow. I told them that Ron’s agape would let them sleep at Ron’s house until they get back on their feet again. It was directed at those members who had total resolve to sell their homes and cars etc. Ron’s house is big enough to sleep fourty people on the floors, don’t you think?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    This false prophecy stuff has serious consequences:,0,7886741.story
    PALMDALE, Calif. (KTLA) — A mother in Palmdale is being held on $1-million bail after allegedly trying to drown her 8-year-old son in the pool at their apartment complex.

    Around 7:30 p.m. Thursday, deputies from the Palmdale Sheriff’s Station responded to a rescue call of a woman attempting to hold a child under water in the pool at the Monte Vista apartment complex.

    Once at the location, they learned that 33-year-old Allaire McDougall attempted to drown her son in the pool, according to a news release.

    Bystanders intervened and rescued the boy.

    “She’s telling him, ‘Son, you have to go. This is the end of the world,” witnesses told reporters.

    The boy was taken to a local hospital and is now listed in stable condition.

    McDougall was arrested for attempted murder and booked at the Palmdale Station.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    In 7 minutes the PKG will have another golden opportunity to see their beloved Ron FAIL AGAIN at telling “god’s” truth…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


    In five minutes, jesus christ will NOT return. before he does not return I would just like to say to you, as an atheist, I am not afraid of your prophecies, YOU, or your fake god.

    Your god is imaginary, and in the next 5 minutes we will have further proof of it…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Avalo. Again. Your clock is fast.

    16 minutes to go

  • jack635 says:

    What did that eight year old boy do to deserve this? Absolutely nothing. What a horror show for that poor little boy.

  • Douglas says:

    Wait – wait – just photographed this sighting of RW taking off….

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Herbie, come back!! We haven’t finished mocking you and your disciple Ronnie Weinland yet!!!

  • Douglas says:

    Mission control we are T minus 5 minutes and go for launch!

  • Frank says:

    Don’t know if any of you knows Roger Waters (Pink Floyd), but this whole situation reminds me of his solo album Radio KAOS, especially the track “four minutes”, right now, lol..

    Billy: Four minutes and counting.
    Jim: O.K.
    Billy: They pressed the button, Jim.
    Jim: They pressed the button Billy, what button?
    Billy: The big red one.
    Jim: You mean THE button?
    Billy: Goodbye, Jim.
    Jim: Goodbye! Oh yes. This ain’t au revoir, it’s goodbye! Ha! Ha!
    Jim: This is KAOS. It’s a beautiful, balmy, Southern California summer day. It’s 80 degrees … I said balmy … I could say bomby … Ha! Ha!

    Happy 3rd world war you all! I’ll greet my family for the last time now, bye!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    The last minute.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    My wife is at the mall with the kids, so I will watch jesus NOT return with my cat…who is snoozing in the corner…

    …then I will go have a shave and a shower…and laugh quietly to myself all day at Ron’s expense…

  • jack635 says:

    Everyone jump up in the air………………………NOW!!!!

  • Douglas says:

    Therm o-Nuclear sun block on.
    Therm o-Nuclear sunglasses on.

  • Don D says:

    Mike (DDTFA)’s count-down for the non-return of Jesus Christ has just registered zero.

    Under “Conspiracy Theories” in TOPICS in the COG-PKG web site, the following still appears:

    “The truth is, we are at the very end of man’s self-rule on this earth, and even Satan’s rule is about to end. The government of God is coming to this earth on May 27, 2012. Nothing and no one can stop this from taking place!”

  • jack635 says:


  • Douglas says:

    Hello… am I the only survivor?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


  • jack635 says:

    Try again. NOW

  • Avalokiteshvara says:


  • jack635 says:

    Aw forget it!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Three minutes after Christ’s return, and I’m still alive!!!!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Let’s see…no Asian Hordes, no WWIII, no Jesus…what?

    Hey, Ronnie….what’s “God” whispering in your ear now?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yay!! Mike (DDTFA) is alive!

    Let;s have roll call:

    I’m HERE…

  • jack635 says:

    Well it’s not my fault. You guys didn’t jump at the same time. It’s your fault not mine.

    WHY THE HELL DIDN’T YOU JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    jack635 is still here…that’s good…

  • Douglas says:

    Perhaps this sums up what the PKGers are thinking:

    “I do not understand why nothing has happened.” –
    From: Robert Fitzpatrick, supporter of Harold Camping.

  • jack635 says:

    Wouldn’t if be funny if all the people who lived on Ron’s street ran away and hid, leaving their car doors open? Ron could look out his window and see no people.

  • Atrocious says:

    I’m here.

  • Frank says:

    Robert Fitzpatrick is still convinced that something actually happened on May and Oct 21st, something spiritual indeed. He has a facebook page in which he publishes long pointless essays about his Bible studies.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yay! Atrocious is here! Another survivor of Ronald Weinland End Time Imaginary Apocalypse!!

  • Douglas says:

    What if I’m actually dead? I mean like I’ve never been dead before!!! Someone help me RW may be getting the last laugh.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I would LOVE to see the look on Ronnie’s face right now as it sinks in that he is going to court and Jesus is not going to save him…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    trust me, Douglas, I know you are not dead…Ronald Weinland cursed you!! LOL!!

  • jack635 says:

    I second that. You’re not dead Douglas. You are in reality.

  • jack635 says:

    The only thing dead right now is the hopes and dreams of a lot of deceived people who followed a con artist.

  • martin says:

    I wonder if Ronald is giving a sermon for tomorrow? If he had some pre-prepared excuse already set to go.

    Does anybody know if there was a meeting hall set up for tomorrow, for the holy day?

  • Douglas says:

    Man – I just want to say thanks to Mike (DDTFA) for all of his hard work throughout the years on all of this. All you guys have been a blast (oohh wrong choice of words?) Sorry but I have to sign off now – I have to go out to play. 🙂

  • Eric says:

    THE TRAINS ARE NOT RUNNING! oh thats right I got up at 4.30 am to check New Zealand was still here and they don’t run at this time of night. As a nation that was to suffer especially because we are part of Israel we are usiness as usual. The next time I buy something I am going to enjoy spending Ronalds worthless currency and hold him to his statement that it will only be good for use in the toilet. Follw through Ron!

  • jack635 says:

    Mal, Ryan, and Anonymous

    Do you feel the same way you did back in April 2008, when you realized that all the canned goods and dry goods and tools and other stuff you started hoarding way back in 2006, was a complete waste of time and money? And here you are again, only this time it is 2012. Hopefully you did not spend as much on tribulation supplies as you did the first time. Will this be a valuable lesson for you? Or will you find another false prophet to lead you into despair and poverty?

    I hope this turns out to be a valuable life lesson.

  • Harv says:

    Where’s Ronnie? In the Desert? On a Mountaintop taking to Jesus. Get ready for Ronnie’s triumphant return with updated info straight from Jesus, I can’t wait to see the PKG’s eat this crap, but what do you expect from former Hebert disciples.

  • Helen says:

    AVALO!!! I finally got a prayer out of you. And it sounded sincere.. I will send you a NIV… 🙂

  • Athema says:

    Really people. nothing better to do?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hmmm. Nothing better to, Athema?

  • melanotan says:

    i am amazed how you people give this scammer so much attention.