God’s Church Reunited

False Prophet Ronald Weinland has put up one final blog post before Christ doesn’t return this weekend. Your opportunity to comment is here.

—— Ronnies Post below the fold ————

After the apostasy (“falling away” – KJV) in God’s Church in December of 1994, the Church eventually became scattered into over 600 different organizations and smaller groups. In this “falling away” from the truth that God had restored in the Church through Herbert W. Armstrong during the Philadelphian Era, approximately one-third of the Church moved away from those teachings and adopted the teachings of traditional Christianity. Another third of the scattered Church simply gave up on the truth and religion of any kind.

This left approximately 32,000 baptized members who became dispersed among these 600+ splinter groups. Within these scattered groups of people, there are many who have held onto a similar hope that the Church might once again become one—reunited by God into His one true Church in a single organized body.

Although some groups have met with one another to discuss various kinds of cooperation, there has never been any real move toward any uniting into a single organization. As some of these scattered “baptized members” have come to understand, only God can really bring people together again because the leadership in these groups are fully void of any such ability or purpose.

The good news is that God is going to reunite His Church into a single organized body once again. It will begin to happen in only a couple of days and the potential number of previously baptized members (before the apostasy in 1994) that God is going to grant this opportunity to is 63,000. This will include previously baptized members from some who became deceived and went the direction of “traditional Christianity,” and it will include even more who will come from those who simply gave up on the Church, and finally the largest percentage will include those who were dispersed into the 600+ splinter groups.

This is indeed very good news! It is good news that has only now been given in these last few weeks, and it all reveals the kind of love and mercy God has for His Church and those who were scattered through the apostasy.

A Contradiction for the Scattered Church
The word “contradiction” describes a unique condition expressed in one manner or another by the vast majority of baptized people who were scattered after the “falling away.” Although the Church experienced the kind of dispersion (scattering) referenced above, very few seem willing to acknowledge that the Church experienced the Biblical “falling away” from the truth that is described in II Thessalonians. Yet the evidence that nearly two-thirds of the scattered Church no longer holds onto the foundational truths of God’s Church, reveals that there was a very great “falling away” from the truth of God—indeed an apostasy!

The reality that the remaining third, who have desired to hold onto some form of the foundational truths, cannot agree on those truths and are all scattered into over 600 different bodies of people, reinforces the truth of the effects of an apostasy. The denial of such devastation upon God’s Church being the result of an apostasy is to compound the contradiction that exists in so many people’s lives.

Though a very few will acknowledge an apostasy occurred, these same “few” cannot grasp the contradiction in their lives to deny that the apostasy was the very sign of Christ’s return to this earth at this end-time. God stated through Paul that Christ’s return could not and would not take place until this event happened in His Church. To acknowledge that Christ’s return is now at hand and that an apostasy did occur would mean that the rest of the story in II Thessalonians 2 would need to be acknowledged. It is about the “man of sin” who is also referred to as the “son of perdition.”

There was one who betrayed Jesus Christ and was referred to as the “son of perdition” at the time of Christ’s quick trial and sentence of death at his first coming. God revealed through Paul that at the time of the apostasy there would be another man who would betray Jesus Christ—one who was “set” in authority in His Church. These basic truths have been published for the scattered Church from the beginning by this organization of the Church of God – PKG. Acceptance of this basic message from God in II Thessalonians 2 is necessary for anyone who was baptized before the “falling away” in order for them to progress forward in understanding of “how” and “why” this apostasy occurred and what it portends.

Some scattered people can acknowledge portions of these events but seem unwilling or unable to “hear” the whole matter. Many still hold to a belief that the “man of sin” referred to in these verses is about the Pope. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as the Pope has never known the truth and he has no power or affect upon God’s Church.

Having said all this, as it has been said so many times before over the past 14 years, we have now come to the end and Jesus Christ is now going to return on May 27th. This event will catch the whole world off guard—even the Church that was scattered. But it will afford a great opportunity to 63,000 baptized people who were scattered after the apostasy to once again be reunited as God’s Church into a single organized body and to be given opportunity to live on into the new millennial age of Christ’s rule on earth.

The very fact that people have not received the “sign” of Christ’s coming being the events of II Thessalonians 2 is the very reason they have not received what was to follow just before the return of Jesus Christ. It is the story contained in Revelation about God sending His two end-time witnesses (and prophets) who would lead His Church up to the very moment of Christ’s coming. We are NOW there! The job of God’s two witnesses is nearly complete.

Christ’s coming is at hand, and it is just as God said it would be: “But as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the coming of the Son of man. For as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they did not know until the flood came, and took them all away. So shall it also be in the coming of the Son of man” (Mat. 24:37-39).

It will be the same right up until nuclear weapons begin to be used on the earth. An automatic response of nations will spark immediate retaliation to real or imagined enemies. Such events will be so rapid and have the potential of being so devastating that God must quickly intervene by stopping it as He sends His Son back to this earth to become King of kings.

Man’s governments must be brought to an end before mankind annihilates himself. God’s timing is perfect at the end of 6,000 years of man’s self-rule. Man cannot govern himself without destroying himself. That is God’s recorded message to mankind through all the prophets—that only His Son, the Messiah (Christ), can govern mankind in righteousness and true justice for all people. Thank God the millennial reign of Jesus Christ has now come.

Thank God that the resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire is so short lived. That system is perfectly described in the Book of Daniel as iron mixed with clay. It is strong in phases of its construction and power, but not held together by anything that fully binds it as one. This describes ten nations who form the nucleus of the European Union today. Yet this union will only experience power together for one hour. It arises quickly as one and is brought to an end as quickly as it arose: “And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet, but receive power as kings one hour with the beast” (Rev. 17:12).

Yes, events during the end-time have materialized in ways that have not been fully clear to God’s Church through time—even to now, but the events are sure and prophecies certain. But all is happening in a manner that God only reveals when it is His time to do so.

Why 63,000?
Although we are now ready to enter the Millennium and the world must experience one more quick and very painful war of horrific destruction, the story contained throughout the pages of the New Testament is about His Church—and it still is. When God individually “calls” and brings anyone into the special and personal relationship of fellowship in His Church, with Him and His Son and others who have been called, He enters into a “spiritual” relationship of Godly love experienced in and with each and every person called.

That relationship is far more important and of far greater value than the “physical” kind of relationship that existed with the nation of Israel. The “spiritual” relationship with “spiritual Israel”—His Church—is one that leads into His Family—into everlasting life with God. Though God loves all His creation, all of mankind, His timing and purpose in them does not fully begin until they are “called” into a relationship with Him—“called” into His Church where that relationship can blossom and grow.

However, the Church became lukewarm at the end of this age of mankind, and it was spewed out of God’s mouth—separated from His “spiritual” presence and from a “spiritual relationship” with Him. That is simply a “fact!” It is a “fact” that potentially 63,000 previously baptized members will have to address very quickly now, once they come face to face with the reality of Christ’s coming on this Pentecost, for these scattered baptized members do not “see” nor believe that Christ’s coming is imminent for this world.

After being separated from God’s “spiritual” presence and from a “continuing” spiritual relationship with Him, the scattered Church grew weaker and weaker after the apostasy in 1994. It could not accept the truths contained in II Thessalonians 2, and as the scattered body became weaker it began to lose basic spiritual thinking and insight. Before Herbert W. Armstrong died and the Philadelphia Era of God’s Church ended, he spoke many times of the Church being the “spiritual” temple. He explained how the Jews were not qualified to rebuild a physical temple and how the temple being spoken of in scripture was actually about God’s Church.

It is understandable how the Jews in Christ’s day did not understand the concept of a “spiritual temple,” as they mocked him concerning what they did not understand about the temple being rebuilt in three days. Jesus spoke of his resurrection—of his spiritual life and his spiritual temple. Today, the vast majority of those scattered “look” for a physical temple or at least an alter to be built in the temple region of Jerusalem. People have simply slid backward, farther and farther from spiritual insight and understanding. That which is spiritual is foggy or not seen at all, and now those truly spiritual things have only physical meaning to most.

But God has a plan to reawaken and rekindle His life “in” previously baptized members. As God’s words have not been received from God’s own end-time prophet, He is going to bring all living baptized members to a day of shock and reality that will finally provide the most powerful moment of truth. The reality of nuclear devastation striking the earth along with another very “personal” and shocking event will awaken most to reality, fear, and repentance.

The final event that is coming upon God’s Church that was scattered is one they all will come to personally experience and cannot deny—for all other warnings, pleas, and admonitions have been denied and ignored. Nuclear war cannot be denied! Neither can the death of 7,000 previously baptized members be ignored (denied) which will consist mostly of those in leadership and especially those in the ministry. God has made it clear that such people are not going to be allowed to live on into the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, but they must await the final hundred years to be resurrected and then repent of their part in the devastation and direct involvement in the weakening of God’s own Church.

This matter of 7,000 dying is the story that follows the job God gave to his two end-time witnesses. His own witnesses to His own Church have been rejected, mocked, and ridiculed. This response of God’s own scattered people is in reality a response to God and not to two people who are easily looked down upon in physical expectation and stature.

As “spiritual” understanding of God’s temple (His Church) is not perceived any longer by God’s scattered Church, neither do people grasp the meaning of “spiritual” Jerusalem being the same kind of reference to God’s own Church.

The answer to “why 63,000” is because that is what God says it can be! More information concerning the 63,000 scattered members who can potentially be reunited after Christ’s coming is covered in the most recent sermon series entitled, “God’s Infinite Mercy.”

But as a synopsis, I will cover the basic meaning of what God reveals as the finish of His work through His two end-time witnesses. Not only has the Church that was scattered failed to recognize the sign of Christ’s coming to the Church contained in the events of II Thessalonians 2, but God’s two witnesses have not been recognized and their job is nearly over. That is the timing where we come into the story contained in the Book of Revelation about God’s two witnesses.

Revelation 11 states that God’s two witnesses die in the streets of Jerusalem. This is not a literal physical death in a literal physical location as has been believed. It is about an attitude and spirit of God’s scattered Church toward His own two witnesses for the time of their work—3 ½ years. Jerusalem is about the scattered Church and streets concern the “ways” of all the 600+ scattered groups that make up this “spiritual” condition of Jerusalem at the end.

“After three and one-half days [prophetic 3 ½ years] the Spirit of life from God entered into them [not physical life, but spirit life as the two witnesses are changed from mortal to immortal at Christ’s return], and they stood upon their feet [were made to “stand” in God—in His truth—in the sight of others once God shows all the scattered body irrefutable proof of their “standing” with Him through this resurrection] and great fear fell upon them who saw them” (Rev. 11:11). This is not talking about the world, but it is talking about the scattered Jerusalem who is struck with fear when they are brought face to face with this reality and truth of the resurrection of God’s two witnesses to immortal life as part of the 144,000.

“And they [God’s two witnesses] heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, ‘Come up here.’ And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies beheld them” (Rev. 11:12). These two witnesses are not received by the scattered body as being brothers spiritually, nor as sent from God, but spiritually they are received as enemies to their belief and understanding of God’s will.

“And the same hour [when they are resurrected to spiritual life] there was a great earthquake [Gk – “shaking.” Used prophetically of a shaking of God’s people], and the tenth part of the city [Jerusalem—the scattered Church, not physical Jerusalem] fell, and in the earthquake [shaking] there were 7,000 ‘individually named’ [Gk. word omitted from KJV] people who were slain, and the remainder [Gk. – ‘the others’, ‘the rest’] were made afraid [brought to fear], and gave glory to the God of heaven” (Rev. 11:13-14).

This describes a scattered Church that God awakens through the reality of what they must now face. A nuclear war has erupted and Jesus Christ is returning in the atmosphere of this earth. God’s two witnesses are changed from mortal to immortal. Then 7,000 “named” (literally named by God and not random) individuals die, which includes first and foremost the ministry and other leading and well known people in the scattered groups. It also includes those who push themselves forward as “teachers” or individuals who are in the “know” about matters in God’s Church, especially in their attacks against God’s witnesses.

The 7,000 who die are the ten percent of the city that fell. There remains 63,000 who can now come to an awakening where they can now truly “give glory to the God of heaven,” after accepting His truth given through His two witnesses.

At this point, our job is done. Our work has come to an end as God’s witnesses. This is the final posting for this site and it is the final admonition to God’s scattered people. The Church is about to be reunited—just not in a manner that anyone scattered can conceive. The end-time is nearly over and the long awaited millennial reign of Jesus Christ is now nearly here.

Final Sermon
As a final posting I am also informing all readers that a final prerecorded sermon will be posted on the Church site that can be used this Sabbath. It is recommended for those who want to use that sermon for this Sabbath that you download it as soon as it is posted so you will have it on hand. It is also recommended to those in the U.S. and Canada to either listen to it on Friday evening, especially for those in the western time zones or early Sabbath morning for those in the east.

As it was written in the last words of the first book, The Prophesied End-Time, I will end this final post with what was stated in that last sentence.

As it says in the next to the last verse of God’s word, “Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
—————– END of Ronnie’s allegedly last post —————

And now it’s your opportunity to comment.

65 Comments

  • J says:

    At this point, our job is done. Our work has come to an end as God’s witnesses.

    Time for the golden parachute!

  • sebastian says:

    Im sorry this confused me, can u sum this up? Haha sorry im not understandimg hoe some.of this was worded, what are you saying here?

  • sebastian says:

    *how!! Not hoe! Haha

  • J says:

    sebastian, come on man? Yes, it’s a wall of text, but it’s a post from Ron himself. If you don’t know what Ron is saying, then why are you worrying about him?

  • sebastian says:

    O i didnt know this was rons post….sorry haha i thought it was mike! Fail haha! My bad

  • jack635 says:

    At this point, our job is done. Our work has come to an end as God’s witnesses.

    Is that a promise Ron?

    Ron’s job may be over but he still gets to keep “lots of money”.

  • Jocko says:

    So this is what it’s come down to. Less than 72 hours left and it’s all still about Ron. 63,000 souls can be awakened and enter into the promised land as long as they bow down and accept the truth through Ron. Who would have figured?

  • martin says:

    Prideful right up to the end.

  • Atrocious says:

    What a small mind Ron has. What a disgusting man Ron is. He makes me want to vomit. What a sick-@$$ed pile of $hit he is. He still considers himself and his wench the two witnesses when they did no witnessing. Still says it’s all going to happen at the last hour. What a sicko. What vermin. What ego. Trying to instill fear into people…. What evilness! What vileness! What a snake! Go back into the hole you came out of, Ron.

  • Helen says:

    YIPEE!! YIPPEE!! WEIRDO’S FINAL SERMON THIS WEEK!! How blessed we are!!! YES! YES! YES! Getty up horsey! Jail time next.. yahooo baby.. yep GETTY UP!!!

    Final Sermon
    As a final posting I am also informing all readers that a final prerecorded sermon will be posted on the Church site that can be used this Sabbath. It is recommended for those who want to use that sermon for this Sabbath that you download it as soon as it is posted so you will have it on hand. It is also recommended to those in the U.S. and Canada to either listen to it on Friday evening, especially for those in the western time zones or early Sabbath morning for those in the east.

    As it was written in the last words of the first book, The Prophesied End-Time, I will end this final post with what was stated in that last sentence.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Last sermon my arse. Wait until he delivers the next ‘truth’ sermon……

  • Helen says:

    That will be interesting Kirrily.. Hmmm Can he really be wrong a 3rd time?? Do ya thunk!! :)

  • Don D says:

    RON’S RANT INCLUDES:

    “The final event that is coming upon God’s Church that was scattered is one they all will come to personally experience and cannot deny—for all other warnings, pleas, and admonitions have been denied and ignored. Nuclear war cannot be denied! Neither can the death of 7,000 previously baptized members be ignored (denied) which will consist mostly of those in leadership and especially those in the ministry. God has made it clear that such people are not going to be allowed to live on into the millennial reign of Jesus Christ, but they must await the final hundred years to be resurrected and then repent of their part in the devastation and direct involvement in the weakening of God’s own Church.

    Yes, Ron, it’s always been about you hasn’t it? At a very fundamental level, the whole point of your exercise in deception, hypocrisy, and excruciating fantasy has been, finally, to have God prove that Ronald Weinland WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! God will finally prove for all the world to see that RON WEINLAND WAS RIGHT AND ALL OF HIS CRITICS WERE WRONG. That was the be-all and end-all of your unrelenting rage at those who dared to disagree with you – i.e. dared to disagree with God. On pages 57 and 173 of your book 2008 GFW” you claim that Your Word is God’s Word: “That which I am telling you is not of me; it is from the God of Abraham – the Almighty God of the Universe”.

    Well Ron Weinland, I’m afraid you’re about to discover, as if you didn’t really know deep down in your heart, that everything you predicted, every interpretation of prophetic scripture – which you claim God spent seven years ex;ounding to you – was based on pure fantasy and never had any basis in any sort of reality.

    The thing that really grated was your hypocrisy in claiming, every time you had to change tack because none of your predictions were coming true, that you were only going along with what God’s Church believed. Why did your church believe all those false prophecies? For no other reason than it was you, Ron Weinland, who taught them those false beliefs in the first place, beliefs which you claimed repeatedly came direct from God to you in divine revelation as God’s appointed End-Time Prophet and Witness.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Dom D said “For no other reason than it was you, Ron Weinland, who taught them those false beliefs in the first place, beliefs which you claimed repeatedly came direct from God to you in divine revelation as God’s appointed End-Time Prophet and Witness.”

    Ron’s prophecies (yes Ryan, ALL of them, including the first timeline) came from GOD, not what the church believed. It’s only when they FAIL that Ronnie said it was what WE believed.

    Well which is it Ron? Did GOD give it to Jesus then Jesus to you? OR was it what YOU thought from previous ‘knowledge’.

    Your book has turned out to be complete fiction – with NOTHING you wrote (saying it was from God) has come to pass remotely (let alone exactly) as written.

    Yet here you still are, spewing self righteous BC.

    Have a great weekend Ron, I prophecy from next week, your life is not going to be so great. Does that make me happy? Yes actually, it does :)

  • AnonOne says:

    Just a concern.

    Reading his final posting I tell you it sounds like he may commit suicide. I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but it sure sounds like it. His message appeared to have an underlying tone that reveals his intentions. Some highlights from his message is that he talked about the son of perdition dying (referring to himself like a type of Judas), a “personal” shocking event the church will see, etc. He considers the scattered church as spiritual enemies which will see him and his wife resurrected. He believes this event (his self sacrifice) will supposedly bring about a uniting of all the church members who are scattered. He put all his efforts into deceiving people with his false prophecies and now he plans on actually fulfilling one himself–death of the two witnesses. Do you not think it curious he stated this was his last post and will not give a sermon this Sabbath (only a recorded message)? If he believes he will be resurrected Sunday after being dead for 3 1/2 days he may do the unspeakable to himself and his wife Thursday or Friday. He has diluted so many others with his lies he is now faced with the reality of those lies becoming known; that and the pressure of the coming tax evasion court case has created a perfect storm by which he will end it all in what he believes is the right thing to do for the church. Like I said, I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but I would not be surprised. I only write this as a warning to those who would follow such deceivers. If he does do a horrible act to himself it is not in fulfillment of any prophecy to unite the church but rather a fulfillment of scriptural judgement upon a false prophet.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Another thing Ryan, how do you reconcile in your mind that at the beginning of all this, as stated on GFW, the PURPOSE of the book and things coming to pass was so the WORLD would know who had the truth? Oh that’s right, even that has changed – it is STILL not about the world and ridding it of confusion, it’s still all spiritual and about the CHURCH.

    I challenge you to re-read GFW cover to cover sometime….. It’s ALL changed.

    Great way your God chose to remove the confusion from the world hey. You are a fool.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    AnonOne – I think you are wrong, Ron is too much of a coward to kill himself.

  • jack635 says:

    Rod Merideth and the other four ministers who are to die before saturday evening better get drunk tonight. They don’t have much time. And I guess Mike will drop dead tomorrow or Friday.

    Don’t forget to leave the comments enabled Mike. That we we can continue your work.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    We will all be dead too though Jack!

  • Jocko says:

    I must say thoughts of Ron possibly committing suicide also crossed my mind as I read his final post but I think what Kirily said makes more sense.

    Didn’t Ron say his website would survive through Armageddon but sites like Mike’s blog wouldn’t? Why even mention this if there are to be no more posts?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “or individuals who are in the “know” about matters in God’s Church, especially in their attacks against God’s witnesses”

    I guess by that definition, you don’t have to be a member of the “scattering”. So that would include me. But then it would include Jack and Dillweek too, I think.

  • martin says:

    Ronald Weinland is a coward. The mightiest (false) prophet in history FLED when a mere comedian offended him

    He will not commit suicide.

    He may have an aneurism from the guilt of what he’s done as Mr Camping did.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “That will be interesting Kirrily.. Hmmm Can he really be wrong a 3rd time?? Do ya thunk!!”

    Only the _third_ time? I’ve lost track of how many times he’s been wrong in his prophecies.

    “he talked about the son of perdition dying”

    Seems you’re not really familiar with Weinland’s Wacky Wonders. The “son of perdition” was Joe Tkach who committed apostasy in 1994 and then died 40 weeks later (but not to the very hour as Ron claims).

  • jack635 says:

    We will all be dead too though Jack!

    Is that “exactly” dead, or spiritually dead?

  • Helen says:

    Mike I meant the end of the world. isn’t this the 2nd time he predicted the end of the world? Do tell.

    I have to completely agree with Kirrily> No way Ron will kill himself.

  • martin says:

    He predicted the start of the Great Tribulation twice (both failed).

    The end dates for both the start, and this Sat., I guess it could be counted as twice. (the original end date failing of course, the second date also soon to fail)

  • J says:

    The biggest question we should all be asking is – what does Ron plan on doing on Saturday? Clearly it’s not being presiding over his church. He just claimed to retire from being a Witness and never speak again. And as AnonOne mentioned, the Witnesses’ job ends when they die.

    Leaving a blog post and leaving a pre-recorded sermon is very strange. He’s setting the church on autopilot at its most important time. Will he be fleeing? Will he be sitting at home, watching TV and waiting for the reports to come in? Or will he and the missus do something drastic?

    It’s really not too hard to view this as a suicide note. Personally, I don’t think he will either. But this post would make a lot more sense if he did.

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Just makes one wonder ?, who’s he gonna pretend to be next week ? :-0 He’s obviously not satisfied being just RW ? Oh well, time will tell, he’ll need some time to re-invent himself ?

    After such a public airing, of his dirty laundry, I really dont see him hanging on as Church leader ? and not that I really care, nor feel for the loon either !

  • JB says:

    His post is a farewell speech of some kind. It will be very interesting indeed to see what he does on Sat. I am concerned for all the people that have been following nothing more than a con artist and their families. What will some of these followers do? Hopefully they can find support groups.

  • martin says:

    He’ll repent of being a presumptuous false prophet, and come up with a whole bunch of new false prophecies.

    He’ll need the holy day offering to pay his lawyers, I’m not sure how that is going work out, does he expect them to mail it in, as they will be at home?

    Aside from being a false prophet, he does not seem to have ANY practical sense about ANYTHING!

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    I wonder if the Weinlands have fired their spiritual guidance councillor yet ?
    So at this point, the non return of Jesus Christ, is indeed, ” The Day After Tomorrow “

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    What I am enjoying thoroughly i the act that ACTUAL Christians (who have at least tried to put Christ’s words into practice) will be VICTORIOUS this weekend by decrying Rona;d QWeinland’s moronic theism and warning the PKG about their impending prophetic disappointment. Ron has been mocking those who take Jesus as Christ seriously, and this weekend will be a nice little bit of karmic retribution for Ron.

    So, Christians? Congratulations. As always, the actual words of Christ will be proven a lot more correct than Ronald Weinland’s words this weekend, if they are correct in any sense. On behalf of all the pagans and secularists such as myself and my wife….you guys have shown a lot more restraint than I would have ever shown as a theist, so nice job on ACTUALLY being kind of like Christ.

    I may despise your religion, but I am always willing to give praise where praise is due! Well done Jesus People! LOL!

    May 27th:

    Jesus – 1
    Ronald Weinland – 0

  • Douglas says:

    People with big egos don’t usually commit suicide.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    From Ronnie’s blog post: “At this point, our job is done. Our work has come to an end as God’s witnesses. ”

    But according to his prophecy, his job was supposed to last 1260 days. He’s 3 days short. Page 22 of “2008 — God’s Final Witness”

    They know the exact day that Jesus Christ will return because they know their final work will last exactly 1,260 days.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “People with big egos don’t usually commit suicide.”

    And he’s obviously planning for the future, since he paid his lawyers to file all those motions in limine.

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Nice one Ava !, I believe in a Creator ( God if you like ) , but I’m not a Christian, ( as such ) in the sence of the word, so a word from ‘ the unwashed ‘ ( err that would be me ), I think Ron is being punished by karma ( if you like ), from his own followers, for dealing cruelly to them, and from other Christians, as he bags them for their beliefs. Usually when it is discovered that there is a loose cannon on deck, its taken care of from within, ( thats my belief , through experience )…….no matter what or how his own may say in his defence.

    So yes , it all points to a win for Jesus, and I think that despite all Ron’s gabble, his game plan was destined to fail, right from the kick-off !

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    And don’t forget Mike ( DDTFA ), that Ron may be 3 days short, but remember he decided to tell God, what God meant ( in Rev : 11, and other places ) , so of course he’ll also decide when he’s finished ? Guess he thought he better quit while he’s ahead ?………………… NOT

  • Charlie says:

    I wonder if in all his travels Ron ever visited parts of Africa, South America, or Asia? I think if he had he might have noted that in a lot of places people have been in “The Great Tribulation” for decades and perhaps centuries. All this end time gloom and doom is a First World fear and Ron is but one of many ‘profits’ that get it wrong again and again. He should go to these torn up places on earth and preach his filth to the locals and see the incredulous looks on their faces as he predicts conditions-a-comin’ that they have been living for generations.

    I look forward to Monday here in the USA (Memorial Day) when I will take my kids to a parade to honor some real heroes that made the ultimate sacrifice. Instead of gloom and doom I want to leave this world a better place than it was when I was born and hope that people around the earth can have the freedoms and life that me and my family enjoy.

  • Don D says:

    Isn’t it astonishing that even as late as May 23 Ron Weinland was still refusing to admit that it was HE who got so many things wrong so many times. He is still being evasive and still saying things like:

    “Revelation 11 states that God’s two witnesses die in the streets of Jerusalem. This is not a literal physical death in a literal physical location as has been believed.”

    “… as has been believed”? Why does he not admit that it was “believed” because it was Ron Weinland himself who taught this as a prophecy he’d received from God by divine revelation? It was HE who claimed repeatedly that he and Laura would be killed, LITERALLY AND PHYSICALLY, in the streets of Jerusalem!

    When he realized that this wasn’t going to happen (because not one of the lead-up events – like the small matter of a missing WW3 – had begun to show any signs of happening), he brushes off yet another “mistake” in a long line of “mistakes” quite casually – just something “as has been believed”.

    He has used that boring old technique every time one of his prophecies has failed to materialise or he’s had to “adjust” his end-time scenario. Does he really think that nobody notices? Do his followers really not see through him?

    Weinland will be remembered for his blatant dishonesty, his wilful and deceitful evasiveness, and for his blood-lust in eagerly looking forward to thousands being murdered by God over the next couple of days as a punishment for refusing to believe Ron Weinland’s delusionary ravings.

    He does so want the exquisite satisfaction of seeing his critics and those who refused to believe his rantings killed by an Almighty God as retribution for the world’s failure to take him seriously.

    Truly pathetic and truly disturbing…

  • Matt says:

    Charlie: those people don’t count for Ron anyway. He preaches British Israelism: he claims that the Lost Tribes of Israel travelled all the way to great Britain and western Europe and that there for, all Brits, Americans, Western Europeans, Australians etc. are part of the Chosen People. So I guess a bunch of poor Africans and Asians are neither here nor there to him.

    It is one of the weird bits he copied from Herbert Armstrong. Actually: his entire creed and career is copied from that religious entrepreneur.

  • It is one of the weird bits he copied from Herbert Armstrong. Actually: his entire creed and career is copied from that religious entrepreneur.

    Wherein lies the entire story: Herbert Armstrong was a kook; his religion a fraud.

    Every single leader / founder among the Armstrongists is in the spectrum of narcissist, sociopath, psychopath and nutjob: Ronald Weinland is simply one prime example.

    Everything which happens in the PKG is a microcosm of Armstrongism, albeit at the extreme.

    Nevertheless, it is all one giant crazy religion which, like the PKG, will eventually lead everyone within it to crazy insanity while maintaining an arrogant “holier than thou” attitude toward those who are even marginally sane enough to avoid being trapped in it.

    Mock on, oh ye of little faith in kooks and much faith in science and reason….

  • Helen says:

    Avalo you are forgetting something. Ron and his Church aren’t Christian’s. I know they say, because Ron told us, they are the
    only true Christians. DUH, well to find out they aren’t christians. They are followers. Infact, Budgie smugglers made me think of
    something. Since Christian is used so easily in the world and causes much confusion, I rather say Believers. Anyone can say they are Christian for different reasons, and usually the wrong way. Believer religious reasons believe in one thing. Yes, I think saying Believer would be a better word. Believer is more appropiate and comes down to one thing and one belief. And I don’t mean believe in Ron. Believer religious speaking is just a one on one belief with the one you can not see but believes in the inside. PKG aren’t believers either. They count on one earthly man who messes with their heads and believes what he says, but still not a believer by discovering for oneself and come to their own thoughts and conclusion.
    I guess I would still be called Christian from the worlds point of view. but I don’t care about the worlds point of view. I guess I better look up deep into the word Christian before I have spoken. Never have. So I will search exactly what it means. The worlds different ways or one way.
    Avalo, you are good at looking deeply into things. go for it.
    Mabye I should have some coffee first.
    I even admit now thinking about it, Christian or Believer? Been brainwashed forever the correct word is “Christian”. But really, is it??

  • Helen says:

    OH My. Can’t believe it will be day after tomorrow. I better go get my hair and nails done.. talk to ya later. I want to look presentable for that special day..

  • Helen says:

    I was just thinking. IF Christian only means “one who believes in Christ”. Then PKG are Rontians. One who believes only in Ron. Because Ron protrays him self as Christ. Right?

  • Richard Ball says:

    “At this point, our job is done. Our work has come to an end as God’s witnesses.”

    Very good news indeed.

    Unless Ron and his wife are actually whack-a-moles.

    Stay tuned.

    50 hours to go.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    At this stage I am of two minds as to what Ronnie will do:-

    1. At this late hour, I’m thinking it’s possible that Ronnie has written the last post as proof he believed and stayed ‘faithful’ to what HE believed (changed from what was GIVEN by God) so as to prove to PKG’ers that he never doubted for a minute. When he addresses them again after the weekend, he can then deliver whatever new ‘truth’ God has given. Maybe this past 3.5 years has been a test for the church and the 2 witnesses, who NOW start their job in the PHYSICAL tribulation now to begin!

    2. We never hear from him again, and soon Mike reports his sentence to jail for guilty verdict in the tax evasion trial.

    Ron is a true coward.

    I really do not believe that he will admit he was false and never preach again – at least not publicly. Not when you have a coward that is full of pride.

  • Matt says:

    If Ron stopped preaching, what would he do? I am not sure he has ever done anything but live off other peoples money. And there will always be some people left who would rather lie to themselves than face reality.

  • Atrocious says:

    I really don’t know what Ron will do. You all know how I feel about Ron and his wife. I just hope that those who got caught in his trap of lies will get some professional help and heal. That’s my hope. You know, my sister told me yesterday when we were looking through old pictures (my other sister and I were in WCG at the time, caught hook, line and sinker by the self-righteous attitude of the church) that she hated coming to our “functions” (a marriage in the family in this case) because we were such self-righteous snobs, with a holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude. Now that I am a free person, we have a much better relationship. I wish the best for the members of PKG.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Isn’t it funny atrocious, it’s not until you LEAVE that you see how prideful you were! I remember whilst in PKG how humble I thought I was – LMAO! No, ashamed to say I was the opposite, and I did not even realise.

  • jack635 says:

    The biggest question we should all be asking is – what does Ron plan on doing on Saturday?

    Golf.

  • jack635 says:

    Jesus – 1
    Ronald Weinland – 0

    So true. Something written almost 2000 years ago smacks down Ron’s words the second they left his mouth:

    Jesus Christ is returning on May 27th 2012 — Ronald Weinland

    If they say “the time is at hand”, do not follow them. No man knows the day or the hour. — Jesus Christ

    It seems to me that the PKG is NOT following Jesus. (nor any of the other COG’s)

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    If the Bible never included the scripture “God does NOTHING without first telling his prophets” – it would have saved countless people following false prophets.

    Scripture lends itself to interpretation – there is the problem.

    Ah, what is ‘true’….. A question now that I am happy to have unanswered for the rest of my days. The resultant peace is worth it!

  • jack635 says:

    “God does NOTHING without first telling his prophets”

    What is a prophet? I would not call anyone a prophet unless he did something supernatural like fly, or heal a handicapped person, or shut the heavens so it did not rain for three years.

    But you are 100% correct Kirrily, when you say the words in the Bible can be twisted to mean ANYTHING.

  • Seahawk says:

    I have (2) family members in it to win it. Even after last nights post they still believe all this is going down. It makes me sad because I believe it is their pride not allowing them to snap back to reality… it’s been 4 years, 4 years too many. They have missed some great holidays and family get togethers over this stuff. I hope we get them back soon. I will post after this weekend as to their mindsets.

  • Atrocious says:

    Please do, Seahawk. I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this with your family members. After all this, I too, hope they snap back to reality and start living life in peace and joy instead of fear. I’ll be watching for your post.

  • chacha says:

    Well..it’s been fun guys. I guess after reading the message from the great pretender…I may be toasted soon….what is it…45 hours?

    I will not be allowed to see the “wonderful world tomorrow”. Bummer.

    Guess I’ll have an adult beverage, and spend the time with my hubbie, make a big juicy steak and get ready.

    OK Ron.

    (Did you notice the “upcoming trips” section on his web-page is gone?) Guess there is nothing planned….yet.

    So have a nice weekend everyone! As Richard said the other day (I love it!) “Have a nice entirely non-apocalyptic day!”

    Peace

    Chacha

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Please do Seahawk – I hope they come back to you. You are 100% right – it IS pride (they think it’s humility).

    When I left in Jan 2009, it took months for me to realise it was PRIDE that kept me there after the first timeline failure.

  • Freckles says:

    Seahawk, I’m right there with you. My mom is sooooo sucked in! Lost her to Ron about 4 years ago too. She’s missed many family events and holidays as well. Know you’re not alone. I’ve found this website, with all these awesome people really help take the sting of Ron’s lies away.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Hey Freckles, does your mum live near you? Is she still showing all signs of full belief? Do you have a plan when the non event occurs? I imagine that it would be hard to know what to do for her!

    Do you think she will still follow Ron even when all this doesn’t happen?

  • Freckles says:

    Kirrily, my mom lives in another state…..it’s about 7 hours from me. She is in full belief mode—jars of peanut butter ready, water bladders set, freeze dried food all stored up. To be honest, I have no idea what to do for her after the non-event on sat morning. She’s so prideful that what and who she believes is right —I’m not sure what will happen. I actually don’t know what to do other than lend a soft shoulder to fall on. I’m scared she’ll follow Ronnie through thick and thin regardless of what lies he tells. She thinks hes really from God. Ugh…..!!!! I wish there was a program I could check her into for deprogramming!!!!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Well, I remember on 17 April 2008 (When Ron said nukes were going to go off in port cities, then later denied saying this) I was ANGRY.

    Can you believe it?! I was ANGRY that no mass destruction had taken place. I was pissed!

    When I looked deeply into myself, the REAL reason I was angry was because I was WRONG. All comes down to PRIDE.

    Can’t believe what I used to be *shudder*.

    The bad bad bad fruit of PKG.

    I hope your mum goes OK – would love to hear from you as well as Seahawk about how everything goes after the non event.

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Hi Kirrily, in so many of your posts, it demonstrates that you were frightened out of your wits, wow, anyone would feel angry and cheated to a degree ( I dont blame you ).

    But even now, I would’nt say you were wrong, listen to any of the radio interviews, in 2008, and you can clearly hear Ron stating that port cities were going to be hit first , and he was’nt pulling idle punches, when he was saying they will succumb to nuclear attack ! …………how dare he later deny that ? Ya gotta stop blaming yourself, you and all were sadly mislead, and blatently lied to, anyone would react with such fear, and then disappointment when their ” Saviour ” , did’nt show up ! ( he said those things with such confidence and certianty…………) at that time, even upto last sermon .

  • Seahawk says:

    Freckles… I am glad she didn’t pull you into it. Mine have a 17 year old son involved. This has disrupted his life enormously. How can a 17 year old walk around and be “normal” thinking that the world is about to end??? He basically stopped playing athletics and even showing up for classes!!! He will not be graduating with his friends…sad!

    Kirrily, you nailed it! I think they are actually gonna be upset that Russia and China aren’t going to blow us with Israel. That’s a sick mode of thinking, you know. I am glad you made it out. It gives me hope for them!

  • eileen says:

    A very kind, easily taken advantage of, friend and neighbor of mine lost her husband 5 years ago to lung cancer. Desperate and hurt she was reaching out for guidance from God. An old friend of hers directed her to Ron’s church and she was taken in and automatically believed everything this false prophet told her.
    I tried many times to help her see that he was a false prophet but she was blind to any advice from me as she was so hurt at the loss of her husband. For 4 years now she has spent all of her money driving all over Canada and the U.S. Attending the Church of God conventions. I just found out yesterday that she is in debt. She even married a man she had only known 3 days because she met him at one of the church conventions and thought that God had brought them together at this event. The guy has nothing. No job, money, or belongings. She owns a 100 acre farm and she did not take any precautions to protect herself.
    Ronald Weinland has destroyed her life as far as I am concerned. She has even cut off her own family and none of us see her anymore. I stopped at her home yesterday to purposely say “In front of her new stranger husband” that “Jesus would not be returning to earth today” due to the fact that Ron Weinland is a false prophet. Well if looks could kill I would be dead. Her new husband is not fond of me at all. The truth hurts I guess.
    Maybe now after Ron deserts them they will finally see.
    Lets just look forward to the day when God punishes this evil man for his false words and for all the innocent people he has ripped off.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Would it be better if he abandoned them? Instead of continuing to exploit them as he will?