Four Hours and Forty-Four Minutes
Looking them over, I was reminded of the chart he put up after the 2009 feast. So I took another look at the older chart. Of particular interest was the phrase on that chart”(toward the end of this Sabbath day” in reference to Joe Senior’s December 17, 1994 sermon which I must have had in mind in my January 15 posting where I pointed out that the sun had set in Jerusalem by 9:38 AM Eastern Time on that day. In other statements, such as his latest chart he has used the phrase “to the hour” or “to the very hour” in comparing the time-of-day of Joe’s apostasy to the time-of-day of his death. Weinland criticized my 9:38 AM sunset time in his February 18 sermon:
I was told of one thing that somebody had written at one point out there. Totally foolish, backward, ignorant. They tried to go back and … someone that not of the church <snorts derisively> .. but trying to go back and say “Well it’s like he can’t tell time because sundown on that year that .. he did this apostasy at sundown at a certain time in Jerusalem, and huh huh huh. They’re way off because it was a certain time of day, and that couldn’t at be at the same hour.”
Totally missed the mark. How could you be so backward? How could you not hear? Anyway, it’s about when he returns. Do you understand what I’m saying? It’s not about the day that that happened. Being the same time in Jerusalem. That it’s we’re talking about to the hour. …. When somethings so messed up like that, why even try to explain it. It’s better just to tell the truth.
Totally messed up, huh? Ron, what does toward the end of “this Sabbath day”(December 17, 1994) mean? If you’re going to criticize what I say, at least quote me accurately. Here is what I posted:
Ron stated that Joe Tkach’s apostasy took place to the hour 13 time 70 weeks before Christ returns. Ron has scheduled Christ to return at sundown in Jerusalem, which is when God’s day begins. The time for sunset in Jerusalem on December 17, 1994 was 4:38 PM Israel Standard Time (IST). IST is UTC +2 hours, while Eastern Standard Time is UTC -5 hours for a 7-hour difference. So sunset in Jerusalem on 12/17/94 occurred at 9:38 AM Atlanta time. Was Joseph Tkach speaking at 9:38 AM?
So now who’s the one who’s all messed up? Back to more of Ronnie’s February 18 statement:
What I like pointing out here is: before the sermon was over that he was giving, and still close to the very midst of it, a little bit farther into it, by the time he’d gone through it, in the midst of that apostasy sermon the timing of Christ’s return and appearance, will follow 6370 days later, Jerusalem time, which is near 7:36 PM Jerusalem time. Sundown on the Sabbath in Jerusalem, when Jesus Christ returns right at that moment when Pentecost begins.
So the point of interest is 7:36 PM Jerusalem time. Which is 12:36 PM Eastern time (Atlanta time as well). According to Ronnie’s latest chart, Joe’s sermon was “10 am to 1:30 pm EST” which includes 12:36 PM. While that’s consistent with the photo of the church bulletin I posted, he has offered no proof of the timing within the sermon when Joe Sr made the defining statement that keeping the sabbath was unnecessary.
In Ronnie’s February 18 sermon, he stated “It’s better just to tell the truth.” So why don’t you just tell the truth, Ronnie? Instead, in your latest chart, you repeat the lie “Joe Tkach, Sr.’s death (to the hour)” even after I offered proof that his death was at 2:20 PM Pacific time which is 5:20 PM Eastern/Atlanta time, a full 4 hours and 44 minutes after the time-of-day of the time you scheduled Christ to return. “To the hour” for Joseph Tkach’s apostasy could match one of these other events but not both of them. Even if they were to some how match, how would that be significant? Where does it say that in the Bible? Except in 1 Ronald Chapter 2 Verse 1260: “It’s significant because I have no prophecy that’s come true so I’m grasping for straws.”
Weinland’s “to the hour” lie is itself relatively unimportant relative to the lie that God reveals truth to him. And the lie that Christ will return this coming Memorial Day weekend and resurrect the faithful to become members of Elohim.
Other little gems in Ronnie’s latest chart which are inherited from his previous chart. Such as: “May 30, 1998 After 980 days (“time, times, & 1/2 time”), the Church was reestablished on Pentecost”. Wrong. Pentecost that year was on May 31. And what was the significant event that day that defined the reestablishment of the Church? Maybe it was Mary Dowd playing the piano as the special “offering” was collected. Listen to Ron’s sermon (20 MB MP3) on that day and fill me in if he said anything amongst all the blather about reestablishing the church. BTW, at 34 minutes into the sermon audio he states that the previous day was 3 1/2 years, not that day (Pentecost of ’98). Just to refresh your memory, Pentecost of ’98 was about a year after Weinland took leave of the United Church of God. And about a year and a half prior to his booting out the lay church board of his corporation by the simple tactic of disfellowhipping them for not toeing his line.
And this one: “Dec. 14, 2008 – God reveals definition of a “time” being 280 days.” Wrong, wrong wRonG. It wasn’t until October 10 of the following year that you pulled out that little gem as an interim explanation as to why the Great Tribulation has not happened.