Weinland Blinks
The Cincinnati Enquirer has broken a story updating the continuing saga of the criminal case against False Prophet Ronald Weinland. In motions filed this week by Ronnie’s talented legal team, Weinland asks for 75 more days to prepare. If counted from the date of the trial currently scheduled for March 20, 75 days would put the trial after Christ doesn’t return on Memorial Day weekend. If counted from the February 16 filing date, the trial would start on May 1, a Tuesday.
From the motion, it appears that a plea agreement may be a possibility. The tone of the motion is that the point of issue may be the amount of tax loss, which would follow from whether all the transactions in the government’s case would be classified as personal income or not. A reduction in the amount of tax loss would result in less taxes due and possibly a reduced sentence.
The discovery provided to the defense is around 5200 pages of transactions involving a total of 24 bank accounts and 10500 transactions within 11 credit card accounts held by either Ronnie or the Church of God – PKG. The motion includes this little gem: “For example, in 2008, the government characterized over $1.8 million of credit card transactions as legitimate church expenses.” Most of that was probably Weinland spending his member’s life savings on Google advertising and printing up copies of his books.
Since the motion indicates that the government’s attorney does not object to an extension, I expect Judge Reeves will allocate more time when he gets around to considering the motion.
May 1 would be perfect for Ronnie. If he drags the trial out for 3 weeks and loses, that would be the time scheduled for the Beast Power to drag him and the Mrs. off to J-town to be whacked. He just has to make the government the beast power and Club-Fed the same as Jerusalem.
24 bank accounts and 11 credit cards, with a Swiss bank account set aside, and a motion for trial after May 27th.
MESSAGE TO THE PKG:
1. WHEN JESUS CHRIST DOESN;T RETURN AND RONALD WEINLAND GOES TO COURT OVER FRAUD, WILL YOU STILL FOLLOW HIM, A RELIGIOUS CON ARTIST?
2. DOES GOD SUPPORT TAX EVASION AND FALSE PROPHECY?
Oops! Motion for trial after March 20th, NOT May 27th!!
Why in the world would anyone need 24 bank accounts and 11 credit cards, not to mention the Swiss bank account? And in whose name are all these accounts? If all these accounts are in the name of PKG, then none of that money is Ron’s. I wonder how many of those accounts are under the name of the church, and how many are under Ron’s and Laura’s names. Shady, shady, shady.
Atrocious, you don’t understand what God has given to his church, in various financial measures and understanding about God’ government and the role of tithing. Ron is doing awesome things in a very powerful way, he truly is, and God’s truth is being magnified in various ways that he is revealing to us in his time that are given to Ron to reveal, which he has mentioned in previous sermons about how awesome it is to see Europe so powerfully doing awesomely in prophecy and many powerful things are taking place or about to take place where God will lead his people to true understanding about what God has ordained. And Ron is dumbfounded at what is occurring in various powerful ways that the world refuses to understand. It’s all about God’s truth and the powerful things that occur when people have faith. It is a type of truth that is powerful when God gives it to you to understand…
You see? It is that simple!
24 bank accounts + 11 credit cards = 1 False Prophet
24 bank accounts + 11 credit cards = a con man.
Ah yes, Avalo, it truly is awesome how powerfully God has revealed what RW believes to be powerful, awesome, incredible truths for only his egotistical ears to tell the masses…it truly is, and when he is faced with apposing forces (Idea City) it truly is inspiring how RW runs in the opposite direction. It truly is. Oh, how incredible his cowardice is shown among the masses, and how wonderful his prowess and skill to manage the $$ entrusted to his greediness, powerfully so. It truly is. Oh it’s so awesome. *ulp ulp ulllpppppp bleeaaarrrphhhhtht* sorry, I couldn’t help it. *spits and wipes face*.
In my church we have a budget for the members to see and a monthly report of income and expenses. That is one of the red flashing flags that stood out when my husband started following Ron. There is no accountablity, there is just Ron and the church he started and he can do what ever he wants. Apparently he has been having a lot of fun at the expense of his small following. 24 bank accounts and 11 credit cards, give me a break! Amazing, it truely is.
24 bank accounts = one account for every failed prophecy in 2008-God’ Final Witness. 11 credit cards = one card for each timeline change.
The PKG are such absolute, mind-numbingly vain to still think that Ronald Weinland is God’s Spokesman. They must love the idea of being “special” so much they will cling to a false prophet like piglets at their mother’s teats! Except in this case the milk ($$$) is flowing into the sow, not out!!
Here is video footage of last Sabbath’s sermon…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQnRhcflCUE&feature=related
INCREDIBLE
He should have his own theme song.
I suggest the theme song from Superman.
What’s one more copyright violation?
Well, maybe that’s the wrong theme.
How about the Darth Vader march?
ALERT!!!!:
At 2m:40s into today’s sermon Ron goes into the 5 month question and says “At first, I was of the thought that…”. So he admits he didn;t understand the 5months and now God is revealing the right “interpretation” of scripture!!! That makes Ron a FALSE PROPHET as he says whatever he is saying is revealed to him by GOD. Then it CAN’T change!!!
3m:30 – “We are in the 5 month period…”
3m:50s – “This period of time doesn’t end until the VERY end (May 27th).
4m:10s – “When the 5th Trumnopet actually blows…”. he has changed his prophecy and interpretation AGAIN, since last week and the week before it had already blown then it didn’t, and now we are in the 5 month period where the Trumpet has been blown!!
4m:30s – “The final 5 month period is these last 140 days before May 27th…”. He then TOTALLY contradicts himself at 5m:07s by saying that this period cannot be stated as an exact period of time because then God would be revealing way too much about his plan!!!!!
WHAT IS THE DEAL, RON? GOD IS EXACT (AND YET NONE OF YOUR PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE)?
THE FIFTH TRUMPET HAS AND HAS NOT BLOWN AT THE SAME TIME?
140 DAYS IS AND IS NOT AN EXACT NUMBER?
THE 5 MONTHS ARE NOT EXACTLY FIVE MONTHS?
5m:10s – “It is not for people to work out . God chooses to reveal these things because it would have been too easy to see these periods of time. It is something for God’s Church to understand.”
So God doesn’t want people to know him, just an exclusive club run by Ronald Weinland, who is thus the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD YOU CAN GET RELIGIOUS TRUTH FROM….
THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF A CULT…
Thus you can’t get religious truth from JESUS CHRIST and his MINISTRY in the New Testament. RONALD WEINLAND IS THE ONLY TRUTH IN THE WORLD.
THE DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF AN ANTI-CHRIST!!!!
Dah, dah, dah, de, de, dah, dah, dah, dah!
Yup!
Darth Vader’s March Theme it is!
Be sure to applaud vigorously as he arrives aboard the Death Star… again!
Maybe a shuttle will take him Jerusalem to be martyred.
Will he be wearing a cape?
Ronald’s mental instability is breath taking. And still his followers cling to him.
Next week….”We’re NOT in the 5 month period”
He has NO idea what he’s talking about. He’s grasping at straws that aren’t there. He, himself, doesn’t understand what he’s saying, much less anybody else. It’s all nonsense. He’s getting more and more unstable the closer the “time” gets.
Amazing, isn;t it? The Fifth Trumpet inhabits irrational space, where up is green, and one can have too much Tuesday in their salad!!
I mean, Weinland is so far off the mark, he is making Meredith/Pack/Flurry look like a bunch of mild-mannered, non-denominational Bible study hosts!
Now that Ron has officially shortened the tribulation from three and a half years to a week at the most I wonder what those within PKG are thinking. Anybody out there? Mal, Fence Sitter, Ryan, Anybody?
Sorry, but appealing to the non scientific non mathematical PKGers is a useless effort, since they can’t begin to comprehend imaginary numbers based on the negative square root of one.
They also don’t seem to understand that dividing by zero is undefined.
Please excuse me. I am putting additional effort into mocking RW: I just filed my Income Tax a week ago and already have my fairly (for me) substantial return.
I figure the more I work at mocking RW, the more he curses me, the more blessed I become.
The Universe just seems to work that way. Or maybe it is our Creator and something about the inverse use of Malachi 2. OK, OK: You know the one about cursing the priest’s blessing? Right. Got it? (I have to do this, the PKGers can be a bit dense.)
I’d still like to believe that Ron is God’s prophet…I just find it very hard to do so.
Rambo, Thank you for you honesty and sharing your thoughts with us. I hope everything works out for you no matter what the future may bring.
Rambo, if you’re still in PKG my understanding that expressing thoughts like this aloud is discouraged. You’ll just be told to pray and fast is what I hear. Feel free to express your thoughts here, just be careful about personal details if you’re still concerned that your elder will know it’s you.
RAMBO:
Don’t be scared. We are not her to get you to deny God or run away from the Truth. To doubt or question Ron is NOT a problem if he is a REAL prophet. But he is not, and your doubts are the very thing that are going to save your life and sanity. Many of your PKG brethren are going to be emotionally and spiritually DESTROYED by May 27 when Jesus DOESN’T return.
You are in a house that Ronald Weinland has set on fire, and we are all outside safe trying to get you to escape to where Ronald Weinland can’t destroy your heart and soul…
RAMBO:
The key trap that Ronald Weinland and EVERY other cult leader uses is that if you leave the cult, you are abandoning GOD. That is nonsense. No MAN can contain the key to your soul, that is God’s alone. Just because a person doesn’t want to be sexually assaulted doesn’t mean they hate sex! Jesus said ‘ALL who believe in me are saved’. Ronald Weinland says “Only me and my church can save you”. Ronald Weionland has made himself seem so intimately connected to God that there essentially is no difference.
WHO IS CORRECT, RONALD WEINLAND…OR JESUS CHRIST?
RAMBO: Read what Ron said in his sermon “A Final Plea with Judgment, Part One” on March 12, 2011:
“So, if I’m not a prophet I’ll reason with you accordingly and be open with you about it…So often for those who do not believe that I’m a prophet, the question is asked, “What will you do if these things do not come to pass?” And I’m going to answer that more fully in this particular sermon today…So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012.
As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous. Candidly (and some are going to really hate hearing this), I’d deeply repent of all those things that concern prophecies that I have given in the office of a prophet BUT I’d seek to hold fast to all that I believe with all my being to be true concerning the word of God. I would begin to go back through all 57 Truths (and I’d hope others would do exactly the same thing), IF… just to be open about it. I’d go back through all 57 Truths and eliminate those that are shown to be untrue, repenting as I did so; but I would hold fast to all that I believed to be true…”
“We don’t have to wait until 2012…”
WELL…it is NOW 2012…and Ron hasn’t admitted he was WRONG…and PROPHETS cannot be wrong without be FALSE. By Ronald Weionland;’s own words he is a FALSE PROPHET and yet he has lied and has not done what he has said.
Do you think that God wants you to follow a FALSE PROPHET? Do you think God will be happy if you stay with Ronald Weinland, and ignore God’s Warning to NOT follow false prophets? Have you considered that you are in MORE trouble by STAYING with Ron, rather than leaving?
This is a very interesting development. We should be able to at least get a hint about Ron’s real feelings about his predictions from his actions. If he truly believed in what he preached, he should not spend any more time or effort on his defense as that would be futile. How can any court system still be functioning on the very eve of the Apocalypse? Any more action or expense at this stage is surely doubting the word of his God, and showing a lack of faith he would not tolerate from his own followers.
The timing of the court case is now also very interesting. Imagine what it would look like if he should try to postpone the whole event again at this stage!
I am getting the feeling that events are actually making Ron try to hide in his own delusion. That the court case has prevented Ron from postponing the whole event, because it gave him a more powerful incentive to hide in his belief in his silly predictions. And now events are all coming to a head, roughly in the same time-frame. Ron was never brave. He is more likely to stick his head in the sand than to brazen out a crisis.
Well, I already left PKG, but I still think about it all the time.
Rambo, looking back through the blog I see that you’ve left comments beginning in the middle of 2010 questioning Ron’s prophecies. Seems that may have been the kicker for you. Feel free to share any of your thoughts — we may not agree with all of them but maybe we can share perspectives. This blog has been a learning experience for me too.
RAMBO: You have made a VERY great decision to be free of Ron, even if you still want to believe him. So don’t feel pressured by us to abandon everything you believe, as the truth has set you free, and you can watch May 27th come and go without being dragged down into the quicksand with Ron and the PKG who remain. You will see that your separation from Ron was the best thing you could do for God and yourself. You have set a righteous example for others by rejecting lies.
If God exists then I think he has greatly blessed you. You have used actual spiritual discernment, and acted WISELY. You WILL reap happiness and joy, and God’s assistance for rejecting what is false and seeking after what is good.
You are incredibly brave to make such a stand against a false prophet, and I admire you greatly!
Hey Rambo,
I still have days when I am bummed that Ron is just a bag of air…mostly when I hear news stories of terrible crimes against children and women of anyone for that matter…because I was so looking forward to a time that that would end. We would have Christ’s kingdom here on earth….bla bla bla… (then I read Dennis Diehl’s article on what it would be like to be “ruled over” by all of the “elders” and “kings and priests” of the various COGs and I wake up in a cold sweat!)
I am enjoying my Ron-free life (although…there is still a few barbs to pick out of my flesh) I try to live everyday as it comes, enjoy my family and friends (yes…you CAN have friend OUTSIDE of PKG!!) and be as happy as a person can be. I strive to be kind and helpful to everyone I come in contact with….what else is there?
Ah. Peace and FREEDOM from the “truth”.
Avalokiteshvara said:
“Many of your PKG brethren are going to be emotionally and spiritually DESTROYED by May 27 when Jesus DOESN’T return.”
I know of a little boy who has been told that his grandmother will return on May 27th. He wrote a beautiful card to her at her funeral that said: “Love you. I’ll see you when I am 10.”
What will happen to him? How will Ron’s bull affect him?
Disgusting.
How will the little boy be affected by this? He will become an atheist at 18, because he will remember how that LIE felt, how hurt he will feel when Gramma doesn’t come back and he realizes that adults have LIED to him. Then he will realize that adults LIE and that maybe that religion is a LIE too. What a bunch of geniuses in the PKG. That boy’s parents have just made him an atheist by trying to make him a PKG-style “Christian”!
Well done folks…well done!
(If only Kirrily was that boy’s Mom, he would have had a chance to grow up normal…)
Once again, there is NO better way to become an atheist than reading the Bible and/or being raised in a CoG during/after Armstrong!!
yup.
I have a different take on that, Avalo. I’ve known several younger people who grew up in Armstrongism and then declared themselves to be atheists. But later they stop being atheists, one example being Velvet Delorey AKA Purple Hymnal who went back to Armstrongism and later decided to rejoin Tkach’s GCI.
If you’re going to believe in something, you should know why. Have to modify that statement for atheism to say: if you’re not going to believe in something, you should know why. Your choice should not be based on an emotional reaction another belief system.
Indeed! As I have said many times here, many atheists are not atheists at all, rather frustrated theists who are angry at God, and their “atheism” is directed at rejecting a God. And it is possible that many/most(?) atheists start that way, since atheists like myself started out in a religion.Actually, I think this blog is a good place for those who are “emotional” atheists to sort out their atheism. You (Mike DDTFA), Helen Terlecki, and others here who are seeking answers to the difficult questions about God and the Bible set an excellent example for us atheists, reminding us to be as open to the potential for God as we expect them to be open to the idea of no God.
And as always, you “Mr. DDTFA” are the voice of reason in all of this! Tausend Danke!
Where does Revelation 11:10 fit into Weinland’s make believe theology?
The International version of the bible states, “The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them (the 2 witnesses) and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.”
The King James Bible states, “And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.”
Has Ron Weinland and the Silent Witness tormented anyone? Are people going to rejoice over their death? Most people in the world do not even know that they exist outside of Weinland’s world. If the 3 1/2 year tribulation is cut down to only 5 days before Christ is to return, then why would so many people from around the world be so angry with Ron and Laura, that they would want their bodies to be in the streets for public view for 3 1/2 days, and be sending each other gifts because they are glad that they are dead.
If this is the case and the great tribulation is shortened to only 5 days, then the Revelation 11 was rewritten and passed on from one language to another.
Rotten Ronnie hasn’t talked much about his death scheduled for the morning of May 23 in J-town. No discussion of his Witness powers, nor how exactly he’s going to p-o the Beast Power.
Ronald : Here are the keys to understanding Ronald Weinland’s theology.
1. The Bible is irrelevant. Only what Rpnald Weinland has said within the last week is relevant, no matter how wildly contradictory it is to anything else he has said.
2. His prophecies come true by NOT coming true. Nothing he has said has come true even SLIGHTLY in it’s original form, so he changes it to a “type of” prophecy, and thus it actually happened in the magical world of ‘Weinlandology’.
3. He is never wrong. Even when he is, you just don’t understand how God has revealed how right he is.
4. Exact timelines are not exact. Biblical timelines are exact but don’t have to be exactly occurring. Any single nanosecond within 5 months is the same as the entire period. So the 200 MILLION MAN Asian Hordes are going to sweep the earth in the last 4.6 seconds before Christ returns if they do not do so before then. Same with the MILLIONS pf people who are going to ask for baptism before Christ returns. They could all be baptised in the last 0.001 seconds before Jesus returns on May 27th, 2012.
5. The Witnesses are tormenting the world. God just hasn’t revealed to you how tormented you are yet.
6. The world is against Ronald Weinland, and he has been the subject of an article and documentary in every single newspaper or on every single network in the world. Anderson Cooper called him a terrorist on CNN last night. God just hasn’t revealed this to anyone yet.
7. Ronald Weinland has 24 bank accounts, 11 credit cards, and a Swiss bank account. God just hasn’t revealed to you yet how humble and giving Ronald Weinland is.
Hope that helps…
For example, Ronald Weinland prophesied that there would be no US president in 2009.
The reasont that this is true is because John McCain was a presidential candidate ergo a “type of president”. Since he was not elected he is not president. Thus, at least one person did not become president in 2009, and thus the prophecy was correct. Plus, the economy of the USA has slightly improved since then, so the US os NOT the same country as it was back then. So since the US os not the same us now, the USA of 2009 does not exist in 2012, and thus it does not “exist”.
See? Ronald Weinland’s prophecies come true by NOT coming true at all, that is why they are so incredibly true in a type of powerful way, they truly are.
Still confused? Then just chug a big glass of Flavor Aid. That will clear up everything.
Another example is the DEATH CURSE put on Mike (DDTFA) and, by a transitive property, everyone here including you.
We were to die quickly on the inside as the first sign of Ronald Weinland’s powers as a Witness of God. That was 4 YEARS ago. here is proof it happened:
1. Since then, each of us has shed tiny flakes of skin from our body plus a few hairs. Thus, we have had parts of our body ‘die” ion a certain way, thus we are ‘dying’.
2. Every night we go to sleep, which is a type of temporary ‘death’ of our conscious mind, thus we have died every night since Ronald Weinland has cursed us. Since we have slept many thousands of times before RW pronounced this curse, RW’s prophecy has madd eus aware of that fact, and thus being aware of that fact means our ignorance of that fact has died. Thus, we have (‘a type of’) died from ignorance quickly when we heard what he said about us.
3. A thousand years is like a day to God, so no matter how slowly we are dying day by day, it is fast to God, this we are dying speedily from the inside in Biblical terms.
As you can see, Ronald Weinland’s prophecies are FULFILLED by never occurring. AND ONLY GOD CAN REVEAL TO YOU HOW THIS IS TRUE…
No transitive property to it, it’s a direct death curse issued in advance by Weinland during December of 2008 upon anyone who mocks or criticizes him. Do your insides feel funny yet? Mine do. But that’s just gas, and it will pass just like Weinland’s prophecies.
Also, let us not forget what the Bible says about TRUE Prophets like Moses, Jeremiah, Daniel, and Ronald Weinland. I will quote it here for you, so DON’T read it on your own. God won’t reveal what it really means to you, and it has been written wrong…just trust and don’t question me.
Deu 18:20 -”But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall not die but rather you should tithe to him and listen to his sermons on the Internet, because he is totally right.”
Deu 18:21-22 – “And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath DEFINITELY spoken, but I your God have not completely revealed yet: thou shalt not be afraid of that prophet, rather you should give him all your money because he is still totally right about everything, and everything he says is right and don;t listen to anyone else just that guy. He is the only human on the planet I want to talk top and the rest of you are just not tithing enough and good enough or faithful enough…just like Ronald Weinland said…”
Weinlandology is actually very simpel once God has revealed to you how it all works.
For example, I am a heterosexual German male married to a heterosexual Vietnamese female…until God reveals to you that in reality I am a lesbian and my wife is a gay man!!
Since ALL fetuses begin as female (until the genetic code begins the chemical process that changes the ovaries into testicles, etc) we are all female at one point in our development. Thus, since I am ‘a type of female” I am a lesbian because I am married to a woman and have “sexy times” with her. Now, since my wife as female in the womb, and all males fetuses begin that way too, that makes her “a type of” proto-typical man, thus she is per se a man. And since she is married to a large, hairy man (me) she is a gay man!
Hopefully Ronald Weinland will cover this in his next sermon!
…but of course you couldn’t possibly understand how true all this is because Ronald Weinland hasn’t said it…yet!
Does anyone know how many cases of flavor aid you have to order to qualify for free shipping?
Jocko: Excellent question! I will use Weinlandology to explain the answer to you. The answer is found in Weinlandology….70 weeks…you have to order 70 weeks worth of Flavoraide.
Why?
1. Because 2 days = 5 months
2. Because Sept. 2011 = May 2012
3. Because 200 million Asian soldiers = zero Asians soldiers.
4. Because Europe declining = Europe rising.
5. Because a president in 2012 = no President in 2009.
6. Because prophecy not coming true = prophecy coming true.
7. Because Trumpets blowing = no Trumpets blowing.
8. Because rapid Death Curses in 2008 = good health in 2012.
Or maybe you are on to something Mike…maybe it is just gas.
This TOO shall pass! psssfffthp!
*’scuze me*
Oh man, enough with the fart jokes! It is not…PHHHHHHTTTTHHPPPHHH!!!!
Sorry!! I had spicy tacos for breakfast!!
*someone open a window, quick!*
http://www.wimp.com/hippogas/
Thank you Avalo. I’m going to go ahead and place my order.
Hello gang! Alot has been written and said on here since just a short time since I last checked. And 2 new blog pages Mike put on. Great job Mike and very interesting.
First of all hoping Kirrily and her family are doing well.
2nd of all I am so glad I have been studying and using my own mind on interpretating about the end-time instead of taking another persons opinion. By that I mean it in a religion and false prophet sense. I have not one shadow of a doubt, not one, that Ron is so mixed up in his teachings that I myself have to laugh and think he actually knows nothing. As all of you say he is nothing but a money grabbing, prideful, he has NPD, con artist, fat blow fish, liar, blasphemy, etc.etc.. and I am trying to be nice, so I just put etc. etc.. He really isn’t worth getting upset about, but it is the people in PKG that Ron is fooling I am upset about. I wish they knew better. Or open their minds to the truth..
I have actually come to the conclusion that the followers of Ron may know every verse in the Bible, but they really don’t know it at all. They just know what Ron tells them to think. And that dear PKG is called brainwashed. Study for your self. You don’t need Ron to form your own opinion or seek truths on your own.
I know I am a late bloomer in the Bible, BUT I will tell you this, my opinion and what I get from it is a 390 degree difference from Ron’s teaching. When I was in he always laughed and made fun, I mean all the time about people outside his church, how they would interpret the Bible. (even I was thinking maybe what he is saying is true, but didn’t know otherwise to think differently) Afterall, Ron only knows the truth.
Yes, most of us do have our own interpretation of what we read. But in all most true Christians have the basics down that are important, but yet we all may disagree
on what most of it means. But that is ok, no harm in that unless we force it on some one else. This is an individual type of understanding, between you and God. I don’t think God expects us to know it all. After all, some of it written, as I said before, could have been interpatated wrong as it has been changed to different versions of different Bibles. But the Basics are still the same. The only important meaning to me is the 3 major characters in the story.
Avalo, there is so much I want to ditto on what you said but if I copied it all I would be copying 96 percent of it.
So my friend I will just do one great big DITTO for you from me.. and thank you for writting all that down for others to read.
JB.. you are right. Something wrong with the secret of tithe that Ron and laura gets. I wasn’t sure how other churches handle it until a friend of mine at lunch Sunday was telling me that her church votes on all the money that is spent from tithe and it is open for everyone to see. I was shocked to hear that, but that could be the norm, I don’t know. But it was refreshing to know it was done that way.
Mike, thank you so much for all the writing and updating you keep up with. I know you keep getting thanks, but really, you astound me. If I ever need a private detective you are hired my friend. haha It is really nice too how you reach out and welcome people on the blog, well the ones who are really serious and in trouble with PKG..or Armstongism. It is good to have a place where people can let their experiences out or their confusion as I call it. Of course we have our drive by blog haters pop in, but then I think, maybe they are really trying to convince themselves that Ron is true, but deep down they don’t believe it. So they let their frustration out on you or Avalo, or who ever they talk to. Kudo’s to you Mike.
OH Avalo, I have a question for you from my friend. I was telling her about you, (a good way), she would like to know how you think you were born without a God? And don’t say “out of my mommies tummy”. haha We brought this up, because our other friend who was with us is Buddha. I think that is what you call her. She lights inscense and has a little buddha she meditates or something like that. So I mentioned that my Athiest friend’s wife is Buddha also.
Well to make a long story short, I am asking you this question for her, and I am going to ask my son also. I never really thought of it before. Unless you mentioned it and I forgot. BTW, I mention you as my Athiest friend because she doesn’t know of any and I love to watch her mind blow. She doesn’t say anything bad because she knows of my son, but for her to think I hang (well blog hang) with athiest just shocks the crap out of her. haha I am trying to get her to understand Athiesm I guess, but her mind has not grasp it yet. “UMM they are wonderful people too Margerate!! And NO they are not all christian haters, DUH”. Their are true Atheism with lots of love, and true christians with lots of love.. and their are those who are judgemental and haters on both side.. hey that is life..
Missed ya all. Much love sent my way from a snowy, cold idaho….
OMGOSH!! Love that hippo video. I am going to send it to my sons. My oldest one I know will play it over and over again and laugh his butt off.
They will tell you though. “Give mom watermelon and she can out do that hippo!” The sad thing is, they are right. When I eat watermelon people run.
Maybe I gave you too much detail.
Helen:
1. How do I think I was born without a God? It depends on how you define being born “without” something. One can be born without a foot, or a physical sense like sight. But being born without God, the idea of God, or the existence of God is not really defined well enough for me to give you a precise answer. But if you mean “How can I be born without God existing”, then I can answer that question fairly simply. First we must define the difference between evolution and abiogenesis. Scientists still don’t know how organic material (trees) came from inorganic material (carbon). They also don’t know how suddenly “something” (the Universe as we know it) came from “nothing”. The ‘something from nothing” argument is called “abiogenesis”. And I don;t know how that happened. But that is not a problem, since we see trees and plants and fish all around us, and we have evidence of evolution, including clear genetic relationships to apes and early humans. So to answer your question…I don’t know the nature of abiogenesis, but I was born because other humans were born before me. That fact means one can be born without God being known to be the original source of life. The rest is an issue of whether you trust science to tell you the truth or the Bible.
2. Buddhism started out as a life philosophy, and was NOT supposed to be a religion. The religion part was added later. So if your friend ‘believes’ in the Buddha, then they are just as ignorant as anyone else. In regards to my wife, she is a devout, religious Buddhist by tradition, and is not particularly concerned if what she believes is true in the scientific sense. She believes Buddhism’s value lies in its use, not its dogma. Buddhism is true for her because it works, it makes people and lives better, thus it is “true”. She would explain that to you herself, but since her English is not particularly great she just asked me to translate that for you into English from Vietnamese. Thus we live at total peace with each other’s beliefs and arguments for/against atheism or Buddhism. My atheism means I give all my love/money/dedication to her and the kids alone, and her Buddhism means I live in probably the most peaceful, happy, loving, compassionate family on Earth!
3. Keep in mind that atheism has FALSE PROPHETS too! How could that be? Atheists are humans too, and every religious foible possible has its own form in the atheist world. I find Richard Dawkins to be an atheist False Prophet. He is a brilliant evolutionary biologist, but a failure at moral philosophy and religious history, and I can back that up with solid arguments. Christopher Hitchens too was a brilliant essayist, but a spectacular moral failure, and also not a person I would allow my children to take their intellectual and moral cues from.
So don’t think for a second that the charlatan is a purely theistic phenomenon. Dumb-asses are everywhere!!
Thanks Avalo.. You went into more detail than my son did. Similar to your explaination but not as in depth… as he is one who does not like to talk about fiction (religion, bible i mean) So he kind of stays clear with me on that. He probably thinks I will go into a preaching mode. haha I wouldn’t, but in the past I might have.
When Margerate ask me I was going to mention maybe evolution, but I rather of given her an answer from the horses mouth himself.. didn’t want to speculate.
It surprises me now adays how people are so curious on Athiesm. It is like they are just hearing it for the first time. People are more open about it which I think is a good thing. It use to be SO taboo years ago, people were afraid to say the word Athiest. Finally, people are asking about it instead of just judging it without knowing anything about it. Well some people. Most people are still being a**es about it..
” Plus i will add. Amen to that!!!
Well you said it well Avalo so I will repeat your words, ” Dumb-asses are everywhere!!
Good explaination on Buddhism. I really couldn’t understand Chang very well. Her english is broken up between Chinese, with a little english. Very little. You are a good translater tell Mein..
OH Mike I forgot to add. Why in the world would some one have 24 bank accounts if they weren’t up to something NO GOOD!!! 11 credit cards.. I guess he is sending an example to the followers to prove to them the end is coming as he says or he wouldn’t be spending all this money. He is telling them “Follow me, Charge everything, you won’t have to pay it back”….. Here we go again….De ja vu
Helen:
A lot of the curiosity is the fact that atheism has been so demonized by the religious that people are surprised when we actually turn out to NOT be a bunch of immoral, Satanic anarchists who want to destroy society! But now that more people are openly atheist in the entertainment industry, that has exposed the average person to other atheists.
For example, Barry Manilow is an atheist but his atheism was overshadowed by his famous love songs, and he was never particularly interested in expressing his atheism. People like comedians Ricky Gervais or Patton Oswalt though makes their atheism part of their comedy. Billionaire businessman Richard Branson is an atheist, movie director james Cameron (Titanic, Avatar) is an atheist, and Apple computer inventor Steve Wozniak is an atheist too. Microsoft founder and multi-BILLIONAIRE Bill Gates is an atheist and he has donated hundreds of millions to charity and disease research. He has also directed his estate to give away several BILLION of his dollars to charity and research after he dies.
You said “People were afraid to say the word atheism” because it was “so taboo”. Ask yourself this. WHO made it taboo? Who made people afraid of atheism? The religious, because THEY found it threatening to their control systems. The very fact someone could be afraid of me merely not believing Jesus is one of the main reasons I find religion so incredibly stupid! Everyone on the planet is an atheist. You, Helen, don’t believe the Hindu god Vishnu is real. Thus, you are an atheist. My wife doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ or the existence of Yahweh. She is an atheist too. I just go one or several gods further than most people, and don’t believe ANY of the gods I have been presented are real, as I have not seen ANY convincing evidence.
So if you want to know what atheism feels like…think about how you feel about Korean spirit worship, or the Egyptian Sun God RA. That is EXACTLY how I feel about ALL theology…
But once again Helen let me be completely clear. A TRUE atheist doesn’t believe the evidence. BUT…that does NOT mean there is no possibility of God existing or several Gods or some kind of divine God-thing. Not believing the current evidence is NOT the same as there being no evidence possible.
For example, the Bible says “In the Beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth.” It took Science until 1960 to finally accept the notion of the Big Bang theory, as until then the prevailing knowledge was that the Universe just “was”, just present eternally. After 1960 Science accepts the idea that there was A beginning to the Universe. The idea that the Universe was CREATED by the Big Bang too is now established by astrophysics. So here is the score.
1. Science establishes that there was a BEGINNING, not ‘a type of’ beginning or several beginnings, but A beginning.
2. Science establishes that the Universe was CREATED (in a cosmic explosion).
3. The Bible said that EXACT thing from the beginning of its oral tradition down to the writing of the Old Testament…at least 2500 years!!
4. Science has been claiming this fact for 52 years.
5. The Bible has been claiming it for 2500.
There is NO evidence that God was the reason there was a beginning, or a creation, but the FACT, I repeat the FACT that the Bible made a truth claim HUNDREDS of years before modern science should tell us all that maybe we don’t know as much as we think we do about God OR Science!
The difference though is that Science has proven it, the Bible merely states it and demands you believe it. The Bible also was not meant to be a science text book, and it also has a lot of false claims about the world in it, so scientific thinking makes it possible for us to safely believe what we know to be actual truth, not speculation or dogma i.e. we KNOW that ROnald Weinland is a FALSE PROPHET because he fails all the Biblical tests, and has been proven to be a liar by his own words, outside of his Biblical failures.
Ronald Weinland has failed the IRS tax “test”, the prophecy test, the “I will do what I say” test, and the “Death Curse” test. There is NOTHING that proves he is a Witness or a Prophet, and there is ample evidence he is a liar, a false prophet and (possibly) a criminal.
He also fails the “SackCloth” test. How many humble servants of God do you know with TWENTY FOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AND ELEVEN CREDIT CARDS?
Heck, I have WAAYYY more money than Weinland does, and my wife and I share ONE credit card, and TWO bank accounts. My kids don’t even have bank accounts because they don’t need them. And as you can tell, I am not particularly humble about it! LOL!!
There is NO WAY a human can be humble and have
(Oops!! Accidentally sent before finishing the sentence!)
There is NO way a human can be humble and have TWENTY FOUR BANK ACCOUNTS AND 11 CREDIT CARDS!!!
a total of 24 bank accounts and 10500 transactions within 11 credit card accounts
I have not had the time this month to keep up on things, but that sure caught my attention. 24 bank accounts and 11 credit cards? That is the trait of a con artist. I wonder how many phoney mortgages he has taken out in other peoples names? This show might just end with a bang, and not the kind of world ending bang Ronald Weinland has prophesied. If he does flee the country with his ill gotten booty, he could end up on Sixty Minutes. Then he really would get his recognition thunder.
AND Wrozeck and Harrell (if I remember correctly) have set up a PKG Inc., so if Ron goes to jail, they could always ask the PKG to tithe to THEM.
Why would Harrell/Wrozeck incorporate a/the Church right before Jesus returns, and Ronald Weinland goes to trial? And what is going to happen to the TWENTY FOUR bank accounts and ELEVEN credit cards?
I’m sure if Harrell/Wrozeck are the president and secretary, Laura will be the treasurer IF Ron goes to jail. Or perhaps Ron and Laura will abscond leaving Harrell and Wroseck holding the bag of responsibility for some kind of fraud. Only time will tell what is really going to happen, and “we don’t have long to wait, do we”?. heh heh heh
I would imagine that in Ron’s mind his money would be worthless if Christ returned so he wouldn’t worry about the bank accounts and credit cards, and if he DOESN’T return (which he won’t) he would simply file bankruptcy on all his outstanding debts. I’m hoping that the government will see through this con artist and not believe any of his lies.
Atrocious, I don’t know what it is like in U.S. but in Canada if the tax man gets a judgment against you, that tax judgment is immune from bankrupty proceedings. Once the tax man says you owe them a dollar, you can’t get out of it. You can appeal the amount but you cannot claim bankruptcy against income tax due to the government.
There is at least $100, 000 in the house. The IRS could take that, and/or the Swiss bank account.
Interesting.
Ronald Weinland wants to bump up his court case another 75 days….because Jesus can’t return without Weinland’s approval.
The Wienlands house is not on the chopping block, they have the $$ to pay the fine (IMO).
The find & back taxes would put a strain on thier banking, but only a strain (IMO).
What Wienland is concerned about is 1) JAIL, and 2) Retirement.
2 cents, milage may vary…
Hi Avalo.. Just got to read your bog. Is your job a Proffessor is Theology?? Just askin?
I think it is..
Thanks for your comments. You are so, so, right why people get the wrong idea of Atheism, it is all because of religion. That i swear to 100 percent. And yes most people back when and alot know think it is Satanic. Which to me is very, very sad that they think that. Especially for me because I have a son who has the best heart you can imagine and has so much love and kindness who is Atheist that no one could ever convince me now that it is harmful in anyway shape or form. But most people know not to say a word against antheism to me, that is if they don’t want to take a trip to the hospital by ambulance. Sounds harsh I know, but I have a little button that needs not to be pushed. Expecially when it comes to family or people I like. I thought I would outgrow it at my age. haha You may have one of those too. As i can see why we would.
When you said about not believing in Hindu god Vishnu, to be honest I don’t know very much about it to have a veiw on it either way. That would be very ignorant of me to do so, as ignorant as the people who judge atheism. What is the important thing to me is what your wife says that matters.” Buddhism is true for her because it works, it makes people and lives better, thus it is “true”.”
What she says and thinks is exactly what I feel. It is a shame we don’t have more of that.
Can you imagine how better the world would be if we could all live that way.. I think so.. but it is a dream of course.
I can not call PKG a religion or the LDS. But yet I guess I am athiest towards them. Because I do not believe in ONE word they say. NOT ONE. And you are right, we know Ron is false for he speaks it out of his mouth, and we have proof. Doesn’t take a rocket science to catch on to his schemes. People like Ron and Laura, (we forget sometimes to bring her in it because Ron’s mouth may move, but like a puppet she helps write the skit, if not all of it) and people like them are the evil ones. I don’t think they have any value on human life but for themselves. That is why they are not at piece. They have nothing and yet they think they have everything. Their God is money and themselves. Those are the kinds of people and so called religious leaders I despise. I mean that I really, really, really do.
I could go on but I don’t want to write another book.
But anyway Avalo thanks again for the time you put in blogging me.
And Avalo, about being humble, hey, you earned it yourself, you didn’t steal it from others!! Some people puts blood, sweat and tears in making it, and some create a church to get their money and live on the hog. So friend, be as non humbling as you want.