Inset Verses
False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Denver this weekend with people in attendance from a number of surrounding states and as far away as Georgia. This time he allowed the “local” elders Travis Luksich and brother-in-law-and-senior-elder Scott Cameron to give the prayers. I say “local” since Travis is from New Mexico and Scott from Kansas, which is still “local” in the context of Weinland’s scattered church.
Ron read off his published upcoming itinerary which ends on March 17th in Cincinnati. But said that Cincinnati was questionable. Why would an appearance at his home city be questionable? Well, the weekend of March 17th falls between the pre-trial conference and the start of his criminal trial for tax evasion. This suggests that he’s considering entering a guilty plea in exchange for a lessor sentence prior to the pre-trial conference. March 8th is the current deadline to submit motions relating to that to the judge. Not knowing what the process is, but perhaps the pre-trial conference scheduled for March 12th would turn into a sentencing and Weinland would not be free to delude his followers in person.
Ron continued his sermon series lawyering his own book and the Bible. He introduced the notion of “inset” verses. Which means that some verses are an aside not following chronologically a verse that precedes. So when reading:
Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
the following verses don’t necessarily follow the fifth trumpet. I don’t recall him mentioning inset phrases, because he says the falling star was Satan being cast down from heaven long ago. Which means that God’s perfect book isn’t so much because it doesn’t say that John saw the “star which had fallen from heaven….”
According to Ron, we are in the five month period of torment. He lawyered his own book, reading from page 126
Those of the scattered Church of God, who are tormented during this five-month period, will suffer greatly for their stubborn pride and continued defiance against God.
and focusing on the word “during”. “During” could be as short as 5 minutes sometime, anytime during the 5-month period.
Ron said that the fifth trumpet has not sounded. Nor, for that matter, have the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th trumpets and the first trumpet has blown spiritually with the literal physical destruction of 1/3 of vegetation yet to happen. The 5-month period can happen before the fifth trumpet. And we are not aware of what is going on, just as we are not aware of the preparations of the 200-million-strong army of the Asiatic hordes now on-going during the year+month+day+hour period which has already begun. Don’t forget about “inset” verses.
Since Ron is lawyering, let’s take another look at this sentence from page 125 of his book that he just glossed over:
At the same time all these events come together at the sounding of the Fifth Trumpet, there will be an initial period of time (five months) when much human suffering will continue as a result of the first four trumpets.
Ron explained that the “torment” might not be physical torment, but mental. Sounds like my spiritual death and the deaths of other mockers on the inside resulting from his Two Witness curse issued in December of 2008 being mental. Or the torment and looking for death could be shaken up with looking for and fearing death that might strike. So Rev 9:6 “And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. ” means the opposite of what it says.
Ron explained that the 7-day march around Jericho is a parable and a “type” which he gets to reuse as he sees fit, having previously equated one day of marching to a half-a-time but now is equated to a 20-day period within this last half-a-time. Or maybe would be 7 marches in the last 20-day period. Yet it would have been so simple for him to have read the Bible and equated the 7 marches the Israelites did around Jericho on the last day. Just as his “running down the hill” bit that he equated with PKG members’ total resolve
We are now 1/4th of the way through the 7th and last of Weinland’s 140-day half-a-times. Less than 15 weeks for the torment to become known, the preparation of the Asiatic hordes to become apparent, for the 1st trumpet to blow physically along with the following 5 trumpets. And a criminal proceeding for tax evasion to fit in. Less than 15 weeks for millions to be baptized into the Church of God PKG, but Ron now claims the last 6 trumpets could happen in the final week before Pentecost. Should be interesting to see what lame excuses and twisting of the Bible and his own books Ron comes up with next, and how many PKG members continue to drink Ron’s Flavor Aid. I’m planning to “see it through to the end”.
When I was a teenager and young adult in WWCG we were required to keep notes on the sermon. I had notebook upon notebook of sermon notes. Followers of Ron Weinland, if you keep notes of the sermon, I suggest you go back and read those notes from week to week and look at all the confusion, switchbacks, footnotes, contradictions – not just from week to week but from minute to minute. After reading those notes, scratching your heads and trying to figure out what the heck is “the truth”, realize that RW is NOT speaking God’s words because God is not the author of confusion. He is not a true prophet but a false one. He is not special or called out. And I suggest that you pack up those notebooks and stick them in a burn-barrel, burn them, and never go back to listen to that charlatan again. There is nothing “godly” about RW’s message. It is all speculation and lies.
Mike, I don’t know if you missed it but Ron dropped a hint about the death of the two witnesses during yesterday’s sermon. At the 1:58 mark Ron asks “So when does all this have to happen, how long before the end? I had an interesting thought the other day, specifically about China and Russia. Two people could already be dead when that finally takes place, and everything would be fulfilled.
Yes I recall that. Basically as an implication that all these events could take place during the last 3 1/2 days due to “nukular” war. No idea how he’s going to fit in the baptism of millions.
If he’s not in prison, then on the Saturday of Pentecost/Memorial Day weekend he’ll be in the Netherlands explaining how it will all happen in the few hours remaining before sunset in that country.
During that part of the sermon Ron was using the same tone of voice he used during his LGD sermon. It also sounded like was also tapping on the podium with either a pen or pencil just like he did during his LGD sermon.
And yes I agree that he’s basically setting the tone for nothing to happen until at the very least one week before the date of Christ’s non-return. His suggests reading news articles and sharing information so the faithful can hold true to their convictions and beliefs without a shred of evidence of prophesy being fulfilled.
Ronald’s compression techniques seem to work very well, wash/rinse/repeat….why change a successful formula?
Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months
Their torment is to last 5 months (something already overdue), not there torment is to occur within the 5 months, Ronald’s persistent use of Ronald-ese, twisting the herbrew/greek/english language beyond any recognizable rhyme or reason, is amusing (but still, very effective it seems).
*cough…choke…gag…umpflpaaarpf!* hair ball….sorry.
This gets more and more lame every week. The “5 months of torment” is probably the amount of time it take someone who has left the flock to get over the brain-washing they had been through. Hmmmm. Let’s see….I started reading this blog in July…that would mean December would be 5 months…YUP. Aaaaaah! I did my time.
Ron wants to keep them all scared to leave.
Don’t be afraid! He is lying to you! For the sake of your SANITY get the flock out of there!!!!!!
That torment might take a little longer. But it gets better. See my following post.
All this backpedal preaching about how it could all happen in THE ONE LAST DAY.
Kind of refreshing to know RON MUST BE GONE before then. I hope that him alive and kicking less than three days out will finally allow some to see the truth a few days before a single day WWIII fails to wreaks havoc on our planet.
Although, thinking on it further I would gladly put up with this nonsense for another 3.5 days if it meant that we would be done with the Witlesses once and for all!
I think Ron has gotten lost in his maze of distortion, twisting, and outright lies that he has fabricated over the years. I think his mind is withering and his desperation is getting to him. Here it is the middle of Feb. 2012 and he’s still making stuff up. Mind boggling, that is.
Here’s another little tidbit from Ron’s latest sermon. At 1:55 “I’m telling you that up to a week in advance these things could happen. Of the end, of Jesus Christ’s returning. 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th trumpets. Don’t think they can’t. So how long are you going to hold fast, to the end? There’s people who have already given up. I hate to see it happen”.
Of course he hates to see it happen. Cash cows have been become harder and harder to come by these days. What did he expect without one single prophecy coming true not to mention a certain blog site with rock hard evidence proving he’s a false prophet. Awesome.
At this point in the sermon Ron is still using his LGD sermon tone of voice and tapping on the podium with what may be his finger and not a pen or pencil as I said earlier.
Should be interesting to see what lame excuses and twisting of the Bible and his own books Ron comes up with next
Yes, I can hardly wait to hear his excuse. Especially after writing a book that says everything he has written will come to pass….or prove that he is a false prophet. Even though he has said he will stop preaching, and to continue would be insane, and if it doesnt happen then he is a false prophet,….he will not admit to being a false prophet because he is a con artist, a liar, and a thief. And very soon now, he may be a convicted criminal. But I’m sure he will lie to his followers about the how and why of that one.
When will his followers wake up? When he finally dies, or leaves the country.
I can’t fathom why anyone is following him.
If he has such devoted followers, when not a single prophecy relating to him has come to pass, nor has any other prophetic events he’s mentioned come to pass (Beast/False Prophet/The Mark/The punishment of America/Britain/Asian Hordes)….then imagine what kind of followers a man calling down fire from heaven on demand will have, the world will flock to such a one.
Right now, Ronald Weinland can’t hold a cohesive thought in his brain for more than 5 minutes. He contradicts himself within the same sermon on the same afternoon.
Doubt It says:
All this backpedal preaching about how it could all happen in THE ONE LAST DAY.
Kind of refreshing to know RON MUST BE GONE before then. ”
It CAN’T all happen on one day (trumpets 2-7), if it did, then WHO on earth would kill the Two Witnesses? If the “entity”, the world wide power led by beast and false prophet, don’t arise till AFTER they are dead, then there will be nobody to kill them.
……ILLOGICAL….ILLOGICAL….ILLOGICAL…….DOES NOT COMPUTE…..
Maybe he can recast the federal court system as the beast power if convicted. And if not convicted, come up with another boogey man to be the beast power along with spiritual 2nd through 5 trumpets to set the stage for his death on the streets of Jerusalem while he actually uses that as cover to make his escape. He’ll have his followers rounding up stock tanks to baptize the millions as addition cover for his escape.
inset verses…I love how he keeps pulling all of this “truth and understanding” out of his …orafice.
Amazing. It truly is. truly. Really. Incredible. Truly. Amazing….it truly is…
*KA-POW!* (head explodes)
If Ron & the little lady are to lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3-1/2 days and May 27th is the return of Christ then lets see, Ron & wife have to die on the 23rd by 12:01 PM of May (assuming a timely resurection at 12:01 AM May 27th), or as late at 12:01 PM May 24th (asuming a timely resurection at 12:00 PM Midnight on the 27th). Traveling to Israel from the USA is a 2 day affair normally… that’s May21. Movement from the airport to the spot of death in Jerusalem another several hours, maybe some rest time at a nice hotel before ones death, another several hours… So if they leave home by May 20th they should not be late for thier own deaths. But they would have to hurry and rushing to ones own death is such a bother, for their health sake one would hope they leave on the 19th to give them a good day of rest in Jerusalem, looking out on that city from atop a hotel to take in the full implication of the coming event.
Why are they not more excited? Shouldn’t they just be beside themeselves with anticipation?
I guess it is really to bad that no one knows who they are as that might upset the Revelation verses as many need to despise them for 3-1/2 days.
Go figure?
Does Ron know anyone in Jerusalem? Does anyone in Jerusalem know Ron? And if Ron and Laura would do anything in Jerusalem for anyone to hate them enough to kill them, wouldn’t they just be put in the looney bin instead? I mean, what have Ron and Laura done in Jerusalem that would cause the masses to kill them and celebrate with glee, exchanging gifts, etc? And then let them lie in the streets for three days? I don’t think they even do that with a powerful figure of politics who they hate, and you can bet they know him much better than they do Ron and Laura.
Ron, do you see how ludicrous this all is? Can’t you see how your ego has ruined your life and the lives of those who follow you?
And the followers of Ron, open your eyes, people. Get a grip on your bibles and purses and briefcases and get out of there. You’re making a lunatic rich with your hard earned money just so he can fantasize out loud his prowess.
This all reminds me of Saddam Hussein declaring his superiority just before the U.S. Troups defeated him.
My situation is such that the only escape has been a failure of Christ to return on May 27th.
I have just recently found pleasure in being able to bump that escape up 3.5 days should Babbleron (thank you Dill Weed) still be alive and kicking. I know it is not much but at this point I will take what I can get!
You have made a great mistake taking it so far this time Ron! Should have stuck with your Atonement ‘dream’ being from God… you might have pulled it off?
Time for a mentality adjustment as I shift from a feeling of endless helplessness to a feeling of joyous relief knowing it will soon be over. Only wish that I was not aware the torment your heinous false prophesies cause so that I might be able to find guilt free entertainment in listening to your attempts to reset during these next few months.
I see no reason why Ron will not take it to the end this time. Dug his hole just a little too deep. He has put a few feelers out there to see what reaction he would get and quickly realized there is no turning back now. Time to milk this one for all it is worth and start looking for the next business venture.
I am confident it all ends May 24th. Wish I would have seen this sooner… could have posted a victory in Dill Weeds Great End of the End Contest!
“If Ron & the little lady are to lie dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3-1/2 days and May 27th is the return of Christ then lets see, Ron & wife have to die on the 23rd by 12:01 PM of May (assuming a timely resurection at 12:01 AM May 27th), or as late at 12:01 PM May 24th (asuming a timely resurection at 12:00 PM Midnight on the 27th).”
What if Ron lie dead in club fed prison, and his wife lie dead in Jerusalem? Wouldn’t that be a sight to be seen? Ron has claimed that he and the silent witness does not necessarily need to be in Jerusalem, because God’s people (elect) are not there, so if he is being housed in a federal prison, then it would make perfect sense that he could die there in prison on May 24. Remember that the two witnesses are to remain in the streets of Jerusalem dead for 3 1/2 days, and it would take a government initiative to allow them to remain dead in the streets without being removed. If Ron would end up dead on the 24th of May in federal prison, the US Government would have to make a decision to allow him to remain in the hallways (sort of like a street) of the prison, with video feed, while leaving him untouched for the world to witness.
I wonder if this is what Weinland is thinking. Weinland has mentioned that the last 3 weeks of Christ life parallels what will occur in the last days prior to Christ’s return. I believe that as Christ was dying, there was an eclipse of the sun and time stood still, for approximately 3 hours, leaving darkness over Jerusalem. I wonder if upon, Weinland’s death, as a self-imposed witness, will there be unexplained darkness in the area of his death. Christ told his disciples that he would return like a thief in the night? If Christ did return on the 27th of May, like Weinland proclaims, would Christ meet this goal of returning like a thief in the night? Has Weinland been prevented from becoming famous and popular among the masses of the world?
John who wrote the book of Revelation was in prison while writing the book which no one was to add to or take away information from the book; and, Christ was a prisoner and had a trial prior to being convicted and executed. Ron must feel resolved and in good company that he too will have a trial, and most likely be convicted and sentenced to prison.
The difference is that Christ was killed out of envy, not for any crime against the state. Ronald on the other hand is accused of criminal tax evasion.
Ronald Weinland comparing his (supposed) final 3 weeks to Christ is quite laughable. The guy is not only not worthy to tie his shoes, but unworthy to breathe the same air (to be fair, he isn’t worthy to breathe any air period, according to OT statutes).
But it’s a moot point, as he hasn’t fulfilled one dot or tittle in regards to prophecy, nor has any thunder been fulfilled in any real way, nor has any of the trumpet been blown.
The worst thing of all, is that he will shipwreck so many people’s faiths….
Doubt It said: “My situation is such that the only escape has been a failure of Christ to return on May 27th.I have just recently found pleasure in being able to bump that escape up 3.5 days should Babbleron (thank you Dill Weed) still be alive and kicking. I know it is not much but at this point I will take what I can get!”
THANK YOU for writing that. I was in a bit of a funk after this latest sermon, and you have shown that at least one person in the PKG is brave enough to admit the truth and try and escape Ronald Weinland’s tentacles. How many more must be silently sitting on the fence or wishing to leave, not being in a position to dissent or rock the boat in their personal lives? Doubt It…you are absolutely right. It will be over soon for you, so you might as well start getting used to the idea that Jesus will not return on May 27th. And you may think that Ron’s May 27th false prophecy is not much to go on, but believe me, you are VERY wise to see this MAJOR failure coming, and recognize it for the BLASPHEMY it is.
Hang on to your money, sanity, and family relationships. You will be VERY happy you did on May 27th, and feel extraordinary compassion for the members who will be shocked and destroyed by Ron’s Anti-Christ activities.
What astounds me is how Ron continues to read from his book week after week and the faithful just sit there and listen to him. I think it’s time for Ron to write a new book. He can call it “God’s False Prophet Unveiled 2012″
And BTW. Welcome back Avalo. I understand your dilemma. This last sermon was a real hum-dinger, especially the last fifteen minutes. If this sermon doesn’t shout out FALSE PROPHET to all within PKG I don’t know what will.
Let me tweak a couple of fine points:
First, Ron has Christ’s return scheduled for sundown at the beginning of Pentecost which is the evening of the 26th in J-town. Due to the time zone differences, 12:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time. So 3 1/2 days earlier would be sometime around midnight the prior Tues eve/Wed morning here in the US. And how will you prove that he didn’t meet his prophetic end? Read his latest book of fantasy, page 22 where it says:
So if it ain’t on CNN, he fails even if he dies.
Avalo, I missed you while you were gone. It just wasn’t the same without you commenting here. I’m glad you’re back.
Street in Jeruselam=prison cell
3 days dead=3 years prison sentence
rise from the dead=prison release
And live worldwide television coverage = TV monitor in prison guard’s booth connected to camera in Ron’s cell
An “out” was provided 3 1/2 years ago, when Ronald Weinland’s prophecy failed flat on it’s face (and that by his own admission, not “outsiders”)
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make A WAY TO ESCAPE, that ye may be able to bear it.
Hardly anybody in PKG took the escape route out. They could have been spared so much.
God does NOT appoint a prophet and have His prophet speak failed prophecy after failed prophecy, and then expect you to still follow such a one.
(again, I make a distinction between a minister SPECULATING about something, and one claiming to speak within the office of a prophet)
God expects you to apply the Deut 13 test (note that THAT TEST APPLIES TO PROPHETS WHERE THE PROPHECY CAME TRUE) and act accordingly.
and the Deut 18 test (where the prophecy FAILED) and act accordingly.
GOD PROVIDES A WAY OUT.
It’s up to the individual to take the way out, or to not take the way out.
Most chose not to.
Ah, the old “I was just speculating” excuse.
Someone who claims to be a prophet of the God of Abraham needs to be very, very careful about voicing “speculation”. How does one tell the difference? Oh, yeah — just have to wait and see if it happens.
My husband had me read Ron’s book and when I came to that paragraph about the world watching on TV the 2 witnesses dead in the street, I knew this guy was crazy. First off if there was going to be so much world distruction there wouldn’t be any TV stations and few people to watch it. Now we also are aware that no one other than a handfull of PKG members even know who Ron is. Ron is only an a sick con artist with a huge ego. Hopefully while he is in Club Fed, a real pastor will come and read the bible to him as it is actually written. Amazing, it truely is.
Thank you, Atrocious. I needed a couple of days to settle down and get my rhythm back.
MESSAGE TO PKG MEMBERS:
Hi, it’s me, Avalokiteshvara again. I am an atheist. I deny God and reject Jesus as Saviour. That makes me unworthy of the Kingdom of God. If it exists then I will be cast into the Lake of Fire. AND YOU WILL BE JOINING ME if you follow Ronald Weinland. He has been proven to be a false prophet, and to follow him is to ‘forfeit the grace that could be yours” (Jonah 2:8). Ronald Weinland uses fear to hold you, telling you that if you don’t follow him, God will take away his grace and salvation from you. He DOES NOT have the authority to say that, and to believe that he does is to DENY GOD. Ronald Weinland is not God, GOD IS GOD.
Follow Ron and I GUARANTEE you will be standing by my side as the flames take our lives…
MESSAGE TO THE PKG MEMBERS:
1. Harold Camping prophesied Christ’s Return in 1994, May 21st/Oct.22nd 2011. All three were FALSE PROPHECIES.
2. Herbert W. Armstrong prophesied that 1957, 1972, and 1975 were the years of Christ’s return. All three were FALSE PROPHECIES
3. Ronald Weinland prophesied that September 29, 2011. FALSE PROPHECY
4. Ronald Weinland stated that there was to be no president in 2009. FALSE PROPHECY
5. Ronald Weinland prophesied that nuclear war would break out in 2008. FALSE PROPHECY
6. Ronald Weinland cursed me and other here to a quick death three years ago as a sign of his first act as a Witness. FALSE PROPHECY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON MAY 27TH, 2012?????????
Wait a second Avalo. Didn’t Ron say we would all have a second chance in the new millennium. We just wouldn’t be in line for the first round of resurrecting. Doesn’t Armstrongism teach that everyone who ever walked the face of the earth will have a second chance to repent and change their ways before being thrown into the lake of fire?
Or is this just Ron’s take on things? I always thought it was pretty convenient for Ron to offer a second chance to family, friends and loved ones of PKG members. Kind of like even though they’re not aboard now you’ll get to see them again in a few hundred years. That is as long as they choose to repent and live by God’s law instead of the lake of fire. And who wouldn’t, given the choices?
I would choose Lake of Fire. If Yahweh exists then he is responsible for not stopping child pornography, the Holocaust, sex slavery, and horribly handicapped children at the very LEAST. Accepting The Lake of Fire would be a moral act, as I would be rejecting the God that allowed the preceding horrors to occur.
But that’s just me…
I’m right there with you on that Avalo. The more I think about these things and read (GASP! Yes Ron…I READ!) the more I understand atheism and hate “Religion”.
Jocko, Ron teaches that if you knew the truth and reject it, and will not repent of that, you have committed the unpardonable sin and are destined for the Lake O’ fire. He also says that if you die, you will not be resurrected only to be thrown into the LOF, because god is merciful and there would be no point in that. So…if you die…that is the end of it. If you didn’t understand the “truth” because god isn’t “opening your mind and letting you see” and you are a devout baptist, catholic, muslim etc…you will have a second chance when god will allow you to “see” and you can then make your choice. So, I guess that means the only ones that ACTUALLY go into the LOF are those who are alive at the end of the 100 years and refused god’s way.
Is that clear as mud?
Happy to help
Chacha
One part my understanding on Weinland’s wacky theology is unclear:
Isn’t there to be a third resurrection of those to be cast into the lake of fire? So if we mockers have already committed the unpardonable sin and there’s no point in going through this exercise, then who would be in the third resurrection?
Revelation 20:
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
No, there is no third.
I think it was the feast 2010 that he said there would be no point. So…if we reject him (ron-god) now…we are as good as dead. We don’t really have to worry about the LOF, unless you have an unfortunate accident around a campfire. (remember: Stop, drop, and roll!)
It’s kinda fuzzy isn’t it? That would mean that the only ones who experience or HAVE a second death are those who had their second chance and blew it. If you are offered the chance in this age and reject it, you only GET the ONE chance. The “second chance-ers” are the ones who were given the truth but….died on the way to Starbucks or something. Or the Asian hordes. They have never heard the wonderful truth!
This is one of the reasons that Ron’s “death curse” made no sense. Wouldn’t you have had to have been one of the truly deluded followers of the “truth” and THEN reject it? (Like me…for example. I’m a prime LOF candidate! Is it hot in here….?) This is also why I go back to his Mother Theresa rant, did SHE have the truth and then reject it? No. She has been “deceived” and doesn’t know…well didn’t know. She’s dead. But anyway…and WHY are you looking for this stuff in the BIBLE of ALL places! You are never gonna find it in THERE!
Aah! The Wiley Ways of Weinland’s Wacky World on Wednesday!
Wow. Amazing. truly.
It is kind of like this scene from one of my favorite movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgmgub8mHw&feature=endscreen&NR=1
So let’s see…I am an atheist, so I will die and not be resurrected in Ron’s theology. My own belief is that when I die that will be “it”. So the exact same thing happens whether I believe Ron or not! And the “punishment” is? LOL!! So I can blaspheme God and get away with it?
Excellent!!
Question: How angry a man is RW?
Probably not very. Anger clouds your judgment, so Ron has to be careful he doesn’t lash out and say things that completely discredit him as Witness to his followers, even though he is clearly and provably a False Prophet to anyone who is even slightly wise. Twisting scripture is one thing. Calling PKGers something in anger i.e. “stupid sheep” like Joe Tkach Sr. did to the WWCG would be career suicide and start another “apostasy”, which would deprive Weinland of those sweet Witness dollars he is currently depending on for his retirement. Thankfully, ‘Doubt It’ has awoken from the brain-sleep cast over the PKG by Weinland, and is now grasping the significance of May 27th and the GUARANTEED PROPHETIC FAILURE it will be.
MESSAGE TO THE PKG:
May 27th, 2012 is NOT the Return of Christ, and no amount of lying by Ronald Weinland will make it so. So please, keep you money safe, and begin making (secret?) preparations for moving on with your life. You will be eating, sleeping, banking, going to work, retiring, celebrating birthdays, marrying, and such LOONNGG after May 27th. DO NOT let Ronald Weinland take what is rightfully yours. He has no spiritual authority other than what you give him. God’s Prophets were NEVER indicted on or convicted of TAX FRAUD. God’s Prophets NEVER set specific dates. God’s Prophets NEVER claimed they were prophets without PROOF and Ronald Weinland’s “PROOF” (2008-GFW) has COMPLETELY FAILED.
RONALD WEINLAND IS A FALSE PROPHET AND IS STEALING YOUR MONEY IN THE NAME OF A GOD HE HAS BLASPHEMED. GET OUT!!!!!
The reason I ask is that it seems that there is a profound amount of anger among not just the leaders and ministers but the members as well.
It would be logical, given the divisions producing so many splinters.
Hmmmm . Who do you think the WHORE is on the white horse with all her diamonds and such!! I think she comes on the scene after first resurrection. Let us see now who could that woman be.. as I am scratching my head. She sounds familiar to me. Could it be….??? Isn’t she close to the Antichrist False Prophet??
Helen: That “certain woman” would have to be a whore, what with her husband being “the little horn”!
Douglas: Yes indeed, there is a lot of anger in the various CoGs. All of their leaders and surviving senior elders are all fighting over the HWA legacy, with each claiming to be the rightful heir to his Throne of Lies. All of them are copycats in every form, and all of them are narcissists. They pose like HWA, act like HWA, try and establish Colleges and magazines like HWA, and even falsely prophesy things like HWA did. The anger comes from their narcissism constantly being threatened by others trying to be what they want to be. Weinland HAS to condemn them to death and demand they come to his church and repent and be baptized (hmmmm…where are all the THOUSANDS of baptisms that were supposed to be taking place RIGHT NOW?). The enitre lot of them are a bunch of Baal worshippers, in this case Baal being their individual egos in need of constant stroking. Meredith Baal hates Weinland Baal, Flurry Baal hates Pack Baal, Thiel Baal hates sanity, it goes on and on…
Helen: Keep in mind that in Hebrew ‘Baal’ is a title as much as a name. Thus, Baal (BAL-בָּעַל) can be a Lord, husband, master. Thus, that “certain woman” is “Baalat”, a lady, mistress, or wife.
Just goes to show how bright the Baalat are in this whole game. While the Baals scrap over titles and glory, the Baalat are quietly raking in the money, jewels, cars, houses, and such. You don;t see the Baalat fighting over titles and authority. They are “subservient” in title only. That “certain woman” must be quietly laughing to herself as she deposits yet another few thousand into the Swiss bank account every week!
The boys play Moses and the girls collect the gold, that’s how the WWCG system works…
Avalo, thank you for your assessment. It is only logical to view the threats that RW made to curse those who mock him to die comes from deep seated anger.
It also seems that the leaders are not just narcissists, but, at best, have conditional consciences, which make them sociopaths.
WEll Avalo, think that chapter in Revelations is pretty clear now. I can move on from that chapter.. See just how valuable your knowledge is? I should get through this book really fast.
Douglas: Malignant narcissism is a personality disorder, thus a sociopathic personal tendency. So I suppose we could argue semantics, but the results in this case are the same, a pathological lack of empathy for anything outside of the image/interests of the person.
HWA plays a ginat part in all this, whether Ron wants to admit it or not. This is a battle for the soul of the WWCG, no matter hoe archaic or irrelevant in 2012. Meredith/Flurry/Pack/Weinland Baal are all trying to be Herbie, and Ron has upped the ante on all of them (Witness). Since he is currently holding the high cards, he is trying to hold on to his advantage, though the IRS, Mike (DDTFA), and others are rallying against him and winning. Even Thiel Baal is getting on Weinland Baal in order to get people noticing his own misguided theology. Also, if you look closely at the other CoG they are positioning themselves to gather PKG members who quit after May 27th.
Weinland Baal is losing his grip on the sheeple, and the other CoG Baals are circling around getting ready to latch their tentacles on to any escapees. This is why it is VITAL to get away from Ron NOW, as after May 27th people will be in shock and many will begin following another false prophet or CoG leader merely out of sheer discomfort at being without a church.
Ex-Armstrongite style brethren tend to fall back into CoGs due to their inability to cope with being without someone telling them what to do and how they are guaranteed salvation if they just tithe to “God’s True End Time Apostle”.
Let’s review what Ron said on page 244 of “2008-God’ Final Witness”: “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power.” This book is claimed by Ron to be PROPHECY FROM GOD. It didn’t happen. Ronald Weinland is a False Prophet. So let’s review what he said he would do if proven to be a false prophet: March 12, 2011…
“So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012. As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous.”
NO ASIAN HORDES, NO RISEN EUROPE, NO DESTRUCTION OF THE USA, NO 1/3RD OF ANYTHING DESTROYED, NO BAPTIZING OF THOUSANDS OF EX-WWCG BRETHREN…RONALD WEINLAND IS A CHARLATAN, FALSE PROPHET, AND AN ENEMY OF JESUS CHRIST…
One of the core beliefs of the people in any CoG is that the keeping of the sabbath day is still required to be in the Kingdom. That alone keeps them in the CoG circle because, outside of SDA and the few other sects, mainline Christianity doesn’t keep Saturday as the sabbath day. Until that ‘core belief’ is changed, they will continue to be ensnared by the vultures when RW takes his exit.
Interesting Avalo. First time I have ever heard of Baal was when in PKG, but i could have sworn it was Hell Ron said. But of course like I said I was in another place most of the time he talked. mentally gone that is. I looked the word up and as usual you are right.. Didn’t find hell though.. I wonder if Ron pulled it out of his butt, or maybe it says it some where in his bible..
Well, going to talk a little bit to the ladies today about the scarlet Whore in Revelations. We are suppose to find out who exactly she is and what she does. I think I know exactly what I will say!!!
One thing to remember Helen is that the signs and mysteries of the Bible, if they are true, will show themselves and be obvious. Speculation is not truth. Revelations is so incredibly symbolic that to interpret it is essentially to guess. So don;t be afraid of not ‘understanding’ Revelations without the obvious signs. For example, Israel “had to” exist in modern times for certain prophecies to at least be able to come true. Israel now exists. It is a fact of geopolitics, and you don’t have to guess whether Israel exists as a metaphor or an allegory. So take what you learn ion you rBible classes with a grain of salt. You WILL see prophecy come true in a manner that is obvious, IF it comes true at all. Proverbs 3:5 says “trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.” False prophets like Ronald Weinland use that scripture to teach people not to think, rather trust “God” a.k.a the False Prophet to guide you to their false prophecy. But if what “the Lord” says prophetically is true, it won’t need explanation. You won’t have to be a scientist or a philosopher to understand the Bible if one day you wake up, go outside and see Jesus returning with his angels!!
False prophets and the self-righteous LOVE prophecies and mysteries, as it is a way of avoiding their duties as Christians to love, forgive, feed the hungry, clothe the poor, etc. Prophesying and interpreting makes one appear holy, BUT is really not Christian at all. The hungry and the sick don’t need to know about 70 weeks…they need a bowl of soup, and hope for the future. How many widows could have been helped with Ronald Weinland’s Las Vegas “Conference” money? How many Habitat for Humanity homes could have been built with that money? How much food could have been provided for the homeless in Cincinnati with Ron’s Google advertising money?
RONALD WEINLAND IS IN BIG TROUBLE FOR HAVING LIED, CHEATED, AND FALSELY PROPHESIED…Matthew 25…”whatever you did for/to one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for/to me.”
Did you know that the beast power in Europe doesn’t have to be made up from ten nations. According to Ron it can be nine nations plus the Vatican. Late in the sermon Ron was reading from his book and talking about Satan and his demons along with the beast power in Europe.
At 1:56:45 he goes on to say “So it’s a matter of God’s timing, it’s a matter of when it’s God’s time, and that right now they have this loose cohesion, and if you were just looking at this, and especially if you were in the scattered body, you’re going to believe with all your being there’s no way on earth that all this can happen, like I said in the post, in such a short length of time. And that’s disregarding the power of God, and power he’s allowing these beings to have, and to exercise, and to cause something to happen quickly, when it’s God’s time for something, things will happen quickly.
And those beings, when they’re given power, they have great power, to do exactly what God says. And so they’re very purpose in the fifth trumpet, is to cause something to spark, a group of people who are already there, a group of people who may be the exact ones we talked about today at the beginning of the sermon, who are already mentioned, there’s nine countries plus the Vatican, to do what they’re going to do, at a moments notice, and then it’s too late to turn around.
And then Russia and Europe-Er-Russia and China respond immediately. It doesn’t take weeks, months or years, God speeds it up to happen quickly, so that those nations are going-Russia is not going to stand by once Europe does what it does. They’re going to respond quickly, and it’s more disaster and destruction.
The above commentary led right into Ron’s “so when does all this have to happen” LGD sermon moment.
Avalo, I figured out a bit ago that most of Revelations is symbolic. Funny isn’t it why it has to be symbolic, instead of just being straight forward without the game play.. Weird don’t you think?
No more or less weird than a talking snake, a talking fire-bush, a virgin birth, a Jewish carpenter being the son of a man in space, or an ex-cult minister forming a new cult and calling himself an End Time Witness of God…
Keep in mind that the Jewish Messiah was only supposed to come ONCE, and establish the New Jerusalem during that time. He was not supposed to be divine like a “Son of God”, but rather an anointed one that rises up from among the people, thus there are some Jewish groups that believe a certain rabbi is/was the Messiah. Jesus as Christ does not fulfill the requirements, thus he is a blasphemer to the Jews. So you don’t even have to go to the Book of Revelation to find problematic symbols or meanings when the very notion of Jesus the Messiah is a problem since Jesus was a Jew and thus a Saviour to the Jews only, who would lead/teach the rest of mankind to God through their service and devotion to Yahweh. That is the Messiah’s role, and Jesus failed the Messiah test. One then could say that the New Testament is irrelevant since Jesus does not fulfill the role he himself proclaimed as embodiment of prophecy. But if Revelation contains truth and Jesus is coming back, some generation of Mankind will see it happen if it is not our generation. All the interpretations will be meaningless if the sick were not healed, the hungry fed, and the poor helped.
Ronald “Baal” Weinland’s almost pornographic love of himself and his “holy” titles is anti-Christ, and he is an enemy of Jesus…
Ron’s entire ministry is based on “I am the…”, “I hold God’s…”, or”I lead the true…”. Compare that to John the Baptist, who stated that “(Jesus) must increase, but I must decrease” in John 3:30. John also said that he was not worthy to even carry Jesus’ sandals! (Matt 3:11)
1. John the Baptist prepared the Way.
2. Ronald Weinland declares belief in his Witness-ship as the Way.
3. Jesus said “I am the Way to God’s Plan.”
4. Ronald Weinland says “I am the Way to God’s Plan”
WHO IS THE WAY…?
Many thanks to Chacha, Avalo and Mike for setting me straight on the second chance / lake of fire theology.
If one believes ‘second chance theology’, then there is no need to panic. Since the CoGs don;t teach any significant truth about Jesus, the PKG, WWCG, and others are second resurrection candidates. You have to openly and repeatedly reject God and Jesus to be a candidate for the Lake of Fire, which I am. So if you are religious, just don’t be like me! LOL!!
I’ll go to the Fire smiling, knowing that Ronald Weinland will be right beside me…
Avalo can be quite sure of that, for the book of Revelation is the revealed truth from God which he concludes by stating:
Rev 22:18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
One could argue that it was John the Revelator making the claims in Rev 22:18-19, and were not actually divinely inspired, or the opposite. So, since Mike (DDTFA) and Helen Terlecki for example haven’t added anything to the BIble, the absolute worst for them is not continuing on into the Kingdom. Ronald Weinland HAS added to the Bible so he gets a worse fate.
But the GREAT NEWS is that people like Helen, Chacha, Mike (DDTFA), Atrocious, etc, have pretty much guaranteed themselves a place of honor in the Kingdom for having fought AGAINST a False Prophet. I can imagine God having a great appreciation for their continued effort to try and help the PKG escape from Ronald Weinland’s lies. Mike (DDTFA) has patiently reached out to the deceived and offered them a chance to be free. Now THAT’S some good “Christian-ing”!!
(only problem is is that i am an atheist and don’t believe any of this stuff is real, so whoo-hoo! more fun for me!!!)
Whoooops, Germany just lost Christian Wulff as President of Germany. Another set back for the militeristic state that is supposed to lead Europes 10 nations into a final Holy Roman Empire (not much time remaining) and then march on the middle East. First they are going to be stopped by the Asian Horde (lasckluster as Hordes go) and now this. Don’t these people have any idea of what kind of setbacks these will cause Gods Final and most Powerful Witness’s? The Asians can’t Horde, The Germans can’t keep a President in place and Europe is just lackadasily wandering about not forming a mamoth army to march to Israel like a last crusade. It just sucks when a plan doesn’t come togethor and Ron’s plans not making reality is a rather good example of this. What was plan B again? Oh ya, delued the followers and keep sheering them of all the wool one can. Next verse, same as the first: Wash, rinse, repeat.
Ronald’s next new truth and revelation, is that these 3 1/2 years are the Tribulation for his church, and that the next 3 1/2 year are REALLY….really this time, no, really, I’m not kidding…..THIS TIME…that is the next 3 1/2 years are the GREAT Tribulation, and it will come on the whole world (and not the church which will collapse from financial ruin, as they scatter to the 4 winds).
It’s all gonna happen…..watch and see.
I took a nap this afternoon and I had a dream (I’m not kidding, this is true) and I dreamed that I was sitting in on a church service headed by RW. In the dream he was yelling and screaming at the members for not following him correctly, etc. and he said that if they are not 100% behind him that they were to get up and leave, NOW! About 75% of the people stood up and exited out the back doors. I was one of them (I don’t know why I was there in the first place). I was so happy to see all those people leaving, but I felt so bad for those that stayed seated. The look on their faces were that of fear. They were looking at those who stood up like they wished they could get up and leave, too, but they were afraid. The dream continued on the outside of the bulding after I left it.
I hope this dream comes true with an improvement. I would like to see 100% of the people get up and leave.
NO, NO Atrocious. That wasn’t a dream, those are called “Nightmares”.. and you just had one… YIKES!!
Yes, at the beginning it was a nightmare, but it turned better when the people were getting up to leave. The best part of the dream was when 75% of the people got up and left – THEY LEFT, FOR GOOD!! I wish all of them had gotten up to leave. But, alas, a few stayed.
Yes the later part of the dream was very good!! That is called a blessing. 75 percent is better than 0 percent. Maybe that will happen Atrocious when AGAIN Ron’s prophecies don’t come to pass I May.. I mean really, how many times do people have to be knocked in the head before they get it!?!
“in May” I meant to say.
It’s a horrible thing when somebody stays in an abusive situation because they are afraid. In the case of RW, they are afraid that if they leave, they will be thrown into the LOF. This just isn’t true, but they don’t believe it. It’s the same when a spouse won’t leave because they are afraid that if they do, they will suffer dire consequences – and in some cases, they do. And what does that mean? It means that the spouse that’s doing the harm is in the wrong. RW is the abuser in this case, scaring people with “death” to make them stay, pay their “tithes” and be loyal to RW. A sad, sad thing, indeed.
Christian Wulf’s role in Germany was pretty much symbolic only. He had no real power, but he was technically the “moral” voice of the nation. So then h goes and (seems to ) lie about his business dealings, which makes his appointer Angela Merkel look bad. So even though Wulf is not a major player in German politics, his actions will make it harder for Chancellor Merkel to stay respected. A tiny bump in the road, BUT significant as Whisper01 pointed out. You can’t have a Beast Power rising with these kinds of shenanigans going on.
Whisper01 = WIN
Ronald Weinland = FAIL
And let’s not forget about Ron’s British-Israelist claims that Germany is “Assyria”, as part of prophecy, and the Beast, etc. Folks, this is complete nonsense. Here’s why:
1. The “Germans” are Aryan, not Assyrian. Our roots run to northern India.
2. There are immigrant Assyrian-Chaldean-Syriac populations in Germany…AND FRANCE AND HOLLAND AND EVERYWHERE ELSE IN EUROPE! Germany has modern day “Assyrians” in it, but they have no significant population or influence in German life that would make them Biblically prophetic.
3. We don’t have a King, and neither does China or Russia. To call Chancellor Merkel a “king” is not only Biblically inaccurate, it is patriarchal and gender normative. The only way you can make Merkel a king is through making the “king” metaphorical or in this case allegorical. Merkel is NOT “a type of” king. She is not a king at all. She was elected.
British-Israelism is nonsense, and it is the cornerstone of Ronald Weinland’s theology that he stole from Herbert W. Armstrong.
Ronnie will probably find an article in WorldNutDaily about Wulf’s departure and cast it as making way for the emergence of the Beast Power.
All Armstrongists have proved one thing: They do not give up until faced with a superior force. Herbert Armstrong kept going until he died, damn the false prophecies, full steam ahead. They are all that way. You can have proof from science, logic, history: No dice. What works is: Death, loss of revenue, extreme public exposure from which they cannot recover, prison and other governmental actions, take over or loss of membership(which creates loss of revenue).
The leadership can have the nuttiest ideas, such as the one who says there’s a stargate at the bottom of the ocean letting the demons through. There’s always a supply of nutjobs at the shallow end of the gene pool willing to listen and follow and contribute.
“Prove us wrong and we’ll stick with it!”
Fortunately, we seem to have a superior force for Ronald Weinland to face in Federal Court. Otherwise, nothing is going to change. And it may not be fear in the members: It may be anger.
You must be talking about Elizabeth Sherrie Elijah, another one of the many lunatics about!LOL!
Shallow end of the gene pool? We’re talking not even out of the pool change rooms yet. I’m talking devolution in the highest order. The very fact that the family cat does nothing all day, meaning she doesn’t join cults like Ron’s or Elizabeth’s, makes her smarter than some humans!!
The cat could be Armstrongist if angry enough.
The cat would still be a more accurate End Time Witness, as she would make ZERO prophecies and NONE of them would be WRONG or right. Weinland on the other hand has said that the EXACT timing of his prophecies was proof of his Witness-ship, and anointing.
My cat = WIN
Ronald Weinland = FAIL