Weinland To Contest Charges?
Today, False Prophet Ronald Weinland added several weekends in March to his travel itinerary. These are
- March 3 — Georgia
- March 10 — Spokane
- March 17 — staying in Cincinnati
If Weinland is to plead to a lesser charge in exchange for a reduced sentence, the motion for that has to be filed by March 9. March 12 is the date for the pre-trial conference, and March 20 is the start of trial. I don’t know what the procedure is if he pleads out, perhaps the same trial date is used for the plea hearing. If normally conducted earlier, then this itinerary with his remaining in Cincinnati the weekend before the trial may be an indicator that he won’t plead.
Seems to me that with over 5000 pages of discovery to sort through, that he would be helping his attorneys come up with a defense.
Now only 6 1/2 weeks before trial, given that the court gave him a 7-week continuance from the original date this past Tuesday. Could this be the first day another march around Jericho?
With all the things he prophesied would happen not happening, and his trial date coming closer and closer, I would imagine that Ron is getting pretty well stressed out (that is, if he has a conscience at all). Can you imagine living with that kind of stress day after day? It is February now and this month is going to go pretty fast. Then that just leaves March, April, and finally May…the end of Ron’s calendar (yeah, right!).
Hey Kirrily, it’s almost time for you to give birth to your sweet baby boy. Let us know what’s happening.
Where is everybody?
We are in a bit of a lull waiting for Ron to do something interesting and if not, then there’s the criminal trial next month.
I expect the next big news will be Kirrily’s new family addition.
Very stressful indeed with so many facets of his life going wrong, but if he is a true believer in his tripe then he would not be stressed at all, due to his impending death in the J-City and subsequesnt 3 day vacation “lying” around the streets of that city ukntil his new job begins, resurection and combat at the end of the world as we know it.
But as some would suspect, Ron has no intention of dying, none. He talks about it not at all, seemingly. But on the other hand Ron, I again suspect, has ever intention of staying out of jail.
Ah the life of the wayward Prophet on the run, always having some disaster to face, be it his immenent death or some vacation time at club Fed…
Go figure?
indeed.
Good Morning everyone~ or noon wherever you may be.
Yes Mike I think we are all waiting for the big BOOM! Being Ron’s trial or plea.
Kirrily, Still betting for tomorrow on our 40th wedding aniversary.
Time sure is going by toooo fast for my liking. And yet waiting for Ron’s demise seems time is slow. Too slow.
Everytime I get on here Mike and see those two in the picture with their poopy looking grins makes me think, OK who will get the last laugh finally.
You will have to change that poopy smile into wonderful frowns.
ps. Atrocious, No I can’t imagine living under all that stress 24/7, but he put it on himself. That is part of his punishment also, along with jail time.
Gosh Mike, Ron must have alot against him if he has 5,000 pages of documents proving his dirty deeds. Who knows, maybe he has done even more dishonest things than we even know about.
It still amazes me how the followers think he is innocent and the devil is doing this. hmmmmm I wonder if he goes infront of the judge and tells them that.
sry “Tells the Judge that.”. insane plea. “I heard voices in my head Judge and they won’t go away”.
I know this is a bit off topic, so while we are in a lul, I need to ask this. It is one of the things bugging me since I never heard of the 144.000 except from Ron and on here.
I ask a friend of mine and she wasn’t sure.
I guess it is a little ok because Ron called alot of the 144,000. I have been doing so much research on this that I got too deep and now I have confused myself a bit.
In my studying I found 2 answers. Here is one of them. The first 144.000 are the 12 tribes of Iseral. OK you guys answered that for me before and said they weren’t. I read they are the ones who preach on earth until Ron and Laura die in the middle of the 7 years. First of all, where are the 144,000, they haven’t come to my house yet. Then a second 144,000 who are Gentiles go up to the throne before God after Ron and Laura die. Then I read they are 2 of the same 144,000 except gentiles are added. Jews have God’s mark on forhead and Gentiles have the mark of God and the Lamb on forehead. I can’t remember but didn’t Ron say HE himself sealed and marked the 144.000?. So he is saying he is God and he marked them because he is of God and God gave him the power to do so.?
I know this may be boring to ya all but I am just curious why Ron’s get to seal the people. What if I decide to seal all of you, wouldn’t that be the same thing, i mean like ahhhhhhhh FAKE?? A Joke??? Do the followers ever dig in to that, I mean the Bible and what it says, or Ron just tells them it is so, and they believe it. Now what year Mike did you say Ron sealed the 144,000? The time line is off on that right? I don’t believe him at all. But it is curious to me why he thinks he can seal them and the followers don’t question themselves on that. Still blows my mind how they let him put that garbage in their minds. I really can’t believe most of them think that is true.
Helen, if I’m not too rusty, from memory the 144,000 according to Ron are those throughout all of history who have been tried and tested of God – and passed. These people will form Gods Government. Ron never said he did the sealing, God does that. From memory I think this is what he taught about that.
5 days until my official due date! It’s getting very hard now to move around! It must happen soon!!!! Our summer here has been very cool, so I have been extremely lucky. I have really struggled during the few really hot days.
He will arrive any time now! Starting to get a bit nervous to be honest! Can’t wait to meet him though, see what he looks like, make sure he is OK etc. His room is all ready for him
Revelation 14:4 -”These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.”
As a man with a wife and two daughters I COMPLETELY reject the Bible’s misogyny, and the sickness of calling those who have had the privilege of knowing a woman as a wife and/or a lover as “defiled”…
BTW: That last verse was about the 144,000 that you are researching, Helen. So I guess you are OK because you are not a lesbian, and thus have not been “defiled” by a woman.
Bible = misogynist…
And speaking of the Bible and RW, etc…CNN Money just put up an article showing that the Dow is at a 4-year high, and Nasdaq has hit an 11-year high!!
Hey, Ronnie Weinland! Where is the collapse and destruction of the USA? Where are the Asian Hordes? Where is the risen Europe dominating the planet in “early 2012″?!! You said you would address this issue. So let’s look at what you said in your march 12, 2011 sermon:
“So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012. As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous.”
Also, Ron…could you explain this to us please? I don;t understand how the USA is supposedly falling, and YET…
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) Feb. 3/2012– American employers substantially stepped up their hiring in January, bringing the unemployment rate down for the fifth month in a row. Employers added 243,000 jobs in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, marking a pick-up in hiring from December, when the economy added 203,000 jobs. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009.
Are you ready to do what you SAID you would do and finally admit you are a false prophet, as we have known since the beginning of your “ministry”? You have said TWICE you would admit your false prophecy, after 2009 and now early 2012.
When are you going to stop LYING?
RONALD WEINLAND . Lets Gods people go ,STOP destroying their lives with your LIES … Repent ..
Matthew 25: 41-45
Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
You, Ronald Weinland, are RESPONSIBLE for your lies and deceits, and ARE a self-proclaimed Witness of God. You have cursed US here, including MYSELF to DEATH.
“whatever you did to them, you did to me…” applies to YOU too…You are an enemy of Christ by condemning humans to die with your supposed spiritual authority…
Avalo, it is foolish to say the economy is doing great because of the stock market. The stock market is governed by emotions and hunches, and those are unreliable. Stocks can plummet just due to misunderstanding, for example. Sometimes the market and economy are related and sometimes they are not. RW is certainly off with the timing, but a global economic collapse is just a matter of time the way things are going.
Kirrily, is your hospital bag packed yet so when you are ready you can just go? So exciting. I know another lady who is due anytime now and the closer she said it gets the more scared she gets. But it will be so awesome that will leave you as soon as the baby pops out… I still say tomorrow..:)
And thank you for answering what Ron said. Nutso… Ron is..
Avalo you always seem to know just when to make my day. You said, ” That last verse was about the 144,000 that you are researching, Helen. So I guess you are OK because you are not a lesbian, and thus have not been “defiled” by a woman” LMBO!!! So ahha Avalo, it is women who are the 144,000, those who are not lesbian.
Now that explains it and sounds more accurate. After all we know the ones Ron has chosen or what ever he does, have been defiled.. Except maybe for the women.
I knew if I kept searching I would find the truth. It is a blast to read and find out more and more and more of Ron’s fasle teaching. It just keeps spurting out of his mouth.. I guess that must be the fire.
OK. Now to move on and check out Babylon..:)
J said: “Avalo, it is foolish to say the economy is doing great because of the stock market…a global economic collapse is just a matter of time the way things are going.
1. I was comparing the stock market to Ronald’s predictions. I DID NOT say “the economy is doing great because of the stock market”. That is a red herring.
2. Where is your PROOF that “global economic collapse is just a matter of time the way things are going.”? I provided actual statistical analysis to make my point.
You sound just like Ronald Weinland…
Helen:
Only virgin straight men, gay men, and straight women can be members of the 144,000 apparently, so you are definitely OK. Make sure you don’t suddenly slip at the supermarket and accidentally fall on top of another woman, as then you will have “laid with a woman” on the floor!
Unfortunately your husband and I have “defiled” ourselves with “our” women, so we are not eligible. But if laying with my wife defiles me, then I am always ready for another round of defilement whenever she is in the mood to defile me. And I assure you that after being together 20+ years, she is exceedingly good at defiling me in the most exquisite and thrilling ways!
LOL!! Avalo you are so funny. I am sitting here Laughing my butt off. I needed that!! Yep you and my husband aren’t one of the 144,000, but I know your wife and I are very happy about that… At the store you are right, i better watch out for those banana peels.. haha
This is one of the things about the Bible I find..shall we say (to be polite)…very “silly”.
Yahweh is the God of the Universe, and as such is present in reality and Reality is present in him. There are great scientific mysteries and wonders in the Universe, awe-inspiring forces and subtle laws that govern our daily lives. How can the Great Everything of God’s Reality be prepared especially for 144,000 men who haven’t been laid?
I say give the rule of the universe to all the WOMEN who have tolerated MAN’s despicable behaviour against them for the last two zillion years…
I mean, look at the complexity of any of the systems that are co-existent in the human body. Our stomach contains an extremely dangerous acid that would destroy our body if it got out into the body cavity. yet our stomach easily keeps it in check. Amazing stuff. If God made that, being a petty misogynist who saves the best burgers at the Universal BBQ for men who couldn’t get laid seems rather dumb. And you know what seems even dumber?
Ronald Weinland being the best representative God could find to be his voice box on Earth.
Where are the Asian Hordes?
In Asia.
Where they remain unto this day.
Actually, three of them live with me. My wife is downstairs in her kitchen studio teaching young Vietnamese women to cook healthy food, and my daughters are watching TV. The daughters are Viet/German, so they are not only “Horde-lets” but “Hun-lets” as well! Their Viet relatives are ‘Hording’, and their German relatives are apparently rising with the Beast to sweep across the world in a reign of religious terror. So now only are we in this house Hordes and Huns, but I am an atheist as well, and just about ready to sweep the Globe in a brutal Stalinist Inquisition to rid the world of believers.
But first I am going to take a nap, and do some laundry…
“The daughters are Viet/German…”
So when the German Beast Power and the Asiatic Hordes gather in May to battle each other in the Valley of Megiddo, on which side will your daughters be?
144,000 Avalo must be the males who are just born or about to be born. Just thought of something are Monks virgins? Unless, well, maybe they just haven’t been with women! HMMMM we know Priest aren’t, I would say they are child molesters, so it can’t be them. Maybe it is written wrong. Could be 144 people, not 144,000. Don’t forget in those days numbers didn’t mean what they do know.
I believe we have more people on earth now then back when, so apparently they can’t preach to all of us. Maybe they are Mormon Missionaries. They go door to door preaching and they are all suppose to be Virgins until they marry in the temple. Yeah. Right!!!!!!!!! We could go on forever guessing who it would be. I will go with your theory Avalo. The woman is a mans Rock. Yep it is the woman… just sayin
Good Question Mike.. My family created a new bread in TN of Polbillys. I wonder where they rank in all this.
An excellent question Mike (DDTFA)!! Neither of them will be on any side, as the Battle of Megiddo will be past their bedtime, and they have to finish their homework first.
I’ll ask the family right now who they would pick to fight for, Hordes or Huns?
Wife: “I’ve already seen war. It’s no good. I want to stay at home.
Older daughter: “Where’s Megiddo?”
Younger daughter: “Let’s go to McDonald’s instead!!”
Cat: “…..purrr……”
Since I am a “Hun” and my wife is one of the “Asian Hordes”, I asked them who they would choose to fight with, me or her?
Older D: “Dad’s bigger and has all the money…”
Younger D: “I’d run away and live with Justin Bieber…”
Cat: “…..(walks away)….”
I basically just woke up my kids to ask them which massacring army they would rather join at the End of the World!! LOL!!
I am a terrible parent!!
Now Avalo, I could have waited until tomorrow. I hope they don’t become the Asiatic hordes and attack the closest German Beast
I’m ready for them. If they attack, I know a certain daughter who is ultra-ticklish around the ribs, and another certain daughter who will give up at the first sign of food…
Not much of a lull in our house. Husband is strongly proposing to quit his job, cash in retirement and travel to follow Ron. Even with kids in college and high school… I have tried everything ~ crying, threatening, ignoring, reasoning (that really doesn’t work). He thinks I should be all for it since he would be around to help more and the dollar will be worthless soon. Yeah right. I am so shocked…there must be mental illnesses on both sides of this crazy equation (ron & hubby).
Hopefully his retirement is in a 401K. If I understand correctly, he can’t cash out without your signature.
Oh no, Moving On, that is just horrible.
I know nothing of your relationship, but I am really worried for you. You won’t be able to stop him quitting his job, but I would seriously see a lawyer to have your assets/cash frozen so he can’t cash out. Please seek advice on this ASAP.
I hope he wakes up to himself before it’s too late. I’m soooo sorry, my heart goes out to you.
For Moving On…
It’s an unfortunate situation to say the least.
Have you tried telling him you will JOIN him, if he can show where Ronald Weinland made an explicit prophecy that was not ambiguous, and came to pass?
Ask him, rather than “reason” with him, some of these questions…(don’t ask trying to convince him against it)
Where are the Asian hordes that are supposed to be over running the asian continent in its march to the middle east?
Where is the Beast? With his Mark?
Where is the False Prophet calling down fire?
Where is the Resurrected Roman Empire?
I realize, it’s probably a fruitless exercise, but hopefully he will exercise restraint and wait a little longer.
Tell he should wait till after the tax trial, that way, it can be shown whether God is with Ronald Weinland or not.
If Ronald ends up in jail then he will be “forced” to use his (supposed) Witness powers.
You could also tell him that the Bible COMMANDS us to test apostles and prophets.
This does not mean we send them 20 questions and grade it.
It means, does he as a prophet, stand up to the biblical test?
Trouble is, Ron has an excuse for just about everything, lame ones. But despite their lameness, his followers swallow them whole.
Except he hasn’t come up with even a lame excuse for the silent 5th trumpet now less than five, no four months before Pentecost.
Moving On said: “Husband is strongly proposing to quit his job, cash in retirement and travel to follow Ron. Even with kids in college and high school…”This man has threatened your family’s financial future for Ronald Weinland and is clearly causing emotional damage.
WHY WHY WHY are you not filing for divorce?
So NOW The QUESTION is: How many does it take to make an Asian horde?
I’m not certain that any number under 7 qualifies, but you could always point out where I made my numeralogical error, if you have the correct math.
My daughters are small, so they would count for 1/3rd of a full grown Horder. So that’s two thirds right there. My wife is also tiny, but close enough to fill in the remaining 1/3rd, so they make a single Horder. So if the collective Horde is 200 million, then they would make up about 0.000000001% of the Horde. But if you are making a generic horde, then I would think that at least 14 would make for a functional horde.
Depends who brings the snacks…
Thank you for extending the American Language by the invention of the phrase, “functional horde”.
I shall have to meditate on this.
American Language?
We don’t exactly speak English over here.
Moving On, Kirrily is right, do everything you can to protect yourself, family and finances. My heart breaks for you. I don not at all understand the control Ron has on his members, there is no reasoning with them at all. Logic doesn’t seem to come into play at all.
i haven’t posted lately but you all know how i feel about this nut case asshole crook and his wife.( movin on) i feel so bad for you i bet asshole ron, dont cash all his marbles in!! karma , karma , karma just be passion and wait my friends. we are waiting kirrly. love you cuz!! thanks mike agian!! thats all folks!
i was just thinking everybody root’n for Superbowl, i’m root’n for the I.R.S in march!!! i might hire some cheerleaders.
IRS: I am a semi fan, but am rooting for them and the Justice Department in March as well.
And to be fair, many of the people who work for the Federal Government do an excellent job: For example, the people in the Social Security Administration do an excellent job. I just wish Congress did as well, but to be fair, they all have different ideas about how things should be run and it’s hard to get concensus.
First of all, GO New England Patriots at tomorrow’s SuperBowl!!!
Secondly, Ronald Weinland has prophesied a rising Europe. Australia’s Foreign Minister (Kevin Rudd) says that is Europe is “at risk of early grave” and is so preoccupied with its own financial problems it is missing out on the debate about Asia’s economic rise. So China is NOT “horde-ing” and Europe is descending in both fiscal and political power.
RONALD WEINLAND, YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FALSE PROPHET…
CHECK THIS OUT:
At 52m:20s Ron goes at it again in his new sermon! The 5th trumpet is NOT about NOW, it refers to the Fall of Satan! And the smoke rising form the pit does NOT happen within the next 5 months!! Ron says it is NOT about timing. So now TIMING is not important or relevant! Then he says people have been reading things into the Bible, and God is giving him the RIGHT meaning. Then he says until God gives him the right numbers to “crunch” the numbers don’t mean anything!
RONALD WEINLAND IS DOING EXACTLY ALL THE THINGS HE SAYS ARE WRONG…HE HAS “CHANGED TIMES AND LAWS”, a mark of an/the Anti-Christ.
RONALD WEINLAND: I am going to hold you to your PROMISE to repent and cease lying….
“So again, some cannot wait for me to say that I am not a prophet, or to say that I am a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait do they? Isn’t that amazing? May 27, 2012 is not too far away and if Europe hasn’t risen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner, obviously. You don’t have to wait until 2012. As far as the question they ask; what would I do? Well, first I’d repent before God and the Church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy upon me for being so horribly presumptuous.”
YOU SAID THIS. YOU ARE BEHOLDEN TO GOD TO DO IT….
(but you and I both know that you really don’t have to worry abut God’s wrath, because you and I are both atheists; me in public, you in private. The difference is though Ron that I am not a cheating, lying bastard who lies to the innocent and steals from the US government, as the IRS has accused you of doing. Good luck buddy. Keep on stealing those thousands of dollars from your flock. They will believe anything you say and you will be royally $$$$$$ rewarded for their stupidity. Nice con. Enjoy your millions and your frozen heart…)
Ronald Weinland’s unabashed hypocrisy is an amazing thing to behold.
His backpedaling is legendary, he back pedals faster that any cyclist alive.
Mmmmm, not about the timing hey Ronnie?
Excerpt – Gods Final Witness:-
Page 4, first paragraph: “The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.” So, it is the TIMING that determines it’s validity.
Well, it WAS – but now it’s not.
LMAO.
Ron seems to change his lies so much how can we keep up with them.. Isn’t it said that one who lies so much they forget what they have lied about then you hear him tell another different lie that condradicts what he said the week or month before.
HI CUZ!! So glad to have you write. I agree with you, I am going on the IRS side.. Love you Cuz….
Well guys i am calling it a night. Just got home from dinner and I feel like a stuffed pig.. Can barely move. I am trying to get all the food in me so incase when the end time comes I will live off my own fat..
Good night friends…
RE: Ron. They always say what goes around comes around. In Ron’s case I think this come around will get him in the BUTT real soon.
His book is soon becoming obsolete, and that, by his own mouth.
It’s funny, he’s basically disproving his own book ***you know, the one that’s supposed prove his credentials***
It’s better than any SNL skit.
The Fifth Trumpet 5 month period must now happen in 3 months, and yet Ron said today in his sermon that the 5th Trumpet was Satan’s Fall and does not count for this time period!!
Hmmm…Ron is starting to lie about his lies, which are all based on earlier lies…It’s “The Matrix” except Ron is Neo and the ‘Matrix’ is a giant pit of boiling diarrhea…
Yes indeed…go to 52m:20s into today’s sermon and hear Ron say that the 5th Trumpet is NOT relevant to now, as it is Satan’s Fall…
I reckon maybe Moving On and JB should ENCOURAGE their spouses to read Gods Final Witness! I bet they haven’t read it for a long time!
How anyone can read that book now and believe Ron is beyond me!
Chacha, I stopped reading GFW once first timeline failed – did you stop reading it to? (because you knew if you did it would adversely affect your faith in the ‘truth’?).
Ron has gone so far beyond believability with this last sermon. He has been hammering home the EXACTNESS of numbers and prophecy, and COMPLETELY negated everything he has been saying for the last few weeks with this new “5th Trumpet = Satan = not about this moment in time”…and he doesn’t even blink an eye. Just rolls over it like he has said NOTHING about it until now. The 5 months have just disappeared and he acts like it was never said.
So it is no surprise, Kirrily. He’ll just ignore his PROPHESIED death in Jerusalem on May 23rd, and ignore Christ’s non-return on May 27th, and just act like he has merely “commented on some things that were written” and will be once again “amazed at the powerful things God has done in regards to his plan and how it all works together if he reveals it to you, awesome, it truly is.” No more 5 months and baptizing and trumpets and Jesus returning and a small little affair with the IRS, they are all ‘just a few little things he has casually brought up’…
Congratulations Kirrily for evolving past these drooling, single digit IQ holders who pollute our world with their love of fairies and lies…
Its amazing
With the blink of an eye
I finally saw the light
Its amazing
That when the moment arrives
You know you’ll be alright
Its amazing
And I’m sayin’ a prayer
For the desperate hearts tonight
Thank you everyone. Kirrily ~ I have seen a lawyer with some friends and there isn’t a way for me to freeze his assests…he is free to spend his money as he sees fit and free to attend any church. He is functioning in society…holds a job (so far), attends “church”, isn’t abusive, has kids who are successful at their endeavors. To an outsider he is doing all right. I made him see a counselor a few years back and the counselor indicated he wasn’t depressed (which he was and probably still is). Will not go to a counselor now for himself or our marriage. Avalo ~ Why not file for divorce? It has been a constant question for 4 years now. Basically I am a chicken. I grew up very poor and the prospect of being that way again is not favorable. I realize he would have to pay child & spousal support but we wouldn’t be able to keep our modest house on my part-time job and his support. I am looking for full time employment or at least a second job. Once I am financially stable on my own I will be on my own. He says he will quit if nothing happens in May but I am not counting on it. We will have been married 20 years in June. Last year I suggested a trip to celebrate our anniversary and the graduation of one of our kids but could he go? Nope. Had to go see Ron 6+ hours away that weekend. It used to really hurt but now I don’t really even care. He is digging his own grave. I am moving on with my life and it feels good!
Martin ~ I will try your suggestion tonight. But the standard response to most things is that God delivers things in his own time and Ron is doing the best he can. Hiding behind ambiguity. Brainwashing is truly effective.
If the fifth trumpet was satan’s fall, what about all the other trumpets? Ah sheesh…this guy is getting more and more insane.
The scenario I imagine he does: He’s sitting at his desk, head in his hands, thinking to himself, “Well, it isn’t happening. I must have gotten something wrong. Oh! I know! The fifth trumpet was Satan’s fall! That’s it! Isn’t it awesome how I can come up with all this stuff? And those dumba$$es sitting in the audience believes everything I say!”
Lex Luthor, you are about to get caught. Superman (IRS or whoever) is no longer near the Kryptonite.
Helen ~ your comment about living off your own fat caught me. The group my husband is with actually talked like that 3 years ago and gave themselves permission to overeat because of it. Haven’t seen them for 3 years (even if I wanted to, they wouldn’t talk to me since those that leave are “shunned”) but I imagine some of them might need a diet plan by now:o)
Finally got my post up with commentary about yesterday’s sermon. Lots of nonsense to try to make sense of, and despite what Ron implies, I do have “a life”, which I was living last night.
LOL Moving on! You are kidding.!! Every time I try and make a funny, well some one else actually is doing it and believing it. Is that not crazy. lol
Now that is really different. Oh yes “Moving on” know about being shunned from the Momo Cult opp! (mormon) and Ron’s cult. I have totally come to realize if a church shuns you, that is a good thing. Means you are doing the right thing.
I am truly sorry “Moving on” you have to go through this and all in the name of a church and weirdos.
I do know what you are talking about when it comes to leaving. The city turned 3 motels for families, women who excape abusive husbands and for ones who left but had no where else to go. When I go take things over there I have talked to some of the women and they decided to go back to the husband due to finacial situations. As much as I begged them not too, but I can see they were scared and stuck between a rock and a hard spot.
The motels only keep you for so long then ya get the boot. Crazy huh!! Something is very crazy with our system most of the time. Why do the children and wife have to suffer for someone elses harmful doing.
It is not being Chicken Moving on. It is having the right back up and support for one to leave. You will just have to do what you feel is right for YOU right now, and hopefully he won’t spend all the money before he finds out RW is wrongl
Just keep notes and any proof you have on your husbands actions with Ron and PKG// what he spends on ron ect.. I am sure the judge wil be on your side when he see’s what cult your husband is in and the jail time Ron will serve…Hell. sue ron’s butt.
Just hang in there for a bit longer. I will be thinking of you and hopefully things will go in your favor pretty soon…..
Moving On says:
Martin ~ I will try your suggestion tonight. But the standard response to most things is that God delivers things in his own time and Ron is doing the best he can. Hiding behind ambiguity. Brainwashing is truly effective.
Ask him if he believes God’s word, if he believes exactly what the bible claims…
For example : Christ would be a male, and that if somebody was born and named Christ, but was female, would he believe it, even though a male was prophesied to be born? (there’s a point to asking this question).
Then ask him, would he also believe the bible, if the bible was explicit as to the sexes of the Two Witnesses, would he believe it, if he says yes….than do this
If you have e-Sword bible (you can down it for free), and get the YLT of bible, this will give you literal translation of bible
Then you can show him this passage. (don’t rub it in his face, be sincere)
KJV passage that refers to two witnesses…
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Then point out, that the sexes of the Two Witnesses are HIDDEN in this translation, but NOT in the hebrew or literal translation.
the HEBREW + LITERAL translation is this:
Zec 4:14 And he saith, `These are the TWO SONS of the oil, who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.’
The bible is explicit, it says the Two Witnesses are MEN.
A person who claims that his wife is one of the Two Witnesses is LYING, and CONTRADICTING what God says.
If you’re incline (or husband) you can ask a hebrew scholar online, whether “sons” is a correct literal translation (I have done so for hebrew/greek questions myself, you can find them online).
Martin, I really doubt that theological arguments are going to sway any PKG members. I am not aware of any who have left PKG over theological differences with Ron.
Even I, who really don’t care about the sexes of the Two Witnesses one way or the other, could mount an argument against your point. I think it best to stick to Ron’s continued and consistent prophetic failures.
I agree Mike, Martin those arguments simply do not work – the Bible can conveniently be twisted in any way one wants most of the time (hence the thousands of different religions out there all claiming to ‘read the word exactly as it is written’).
I know I stayed with Ron an additional 8 months after the failure of the first timeline because I IGNORED (yes, on purpose) the evidence that Ron was False. Both by his own words, book and the bible itself.
It was when I finally looked at the evidence that I could no longer deny he was false. I then had to make a decision, and face the consequences.
It’s all very well for Moving On’s husband to say ‘well if nothing happens in May I will leave’. But it’s not that easy. Somehow I believe that most of the people that are with Ronnie today, will be with him in 2013 and beyond. Why? Because they will continue to IGNORE the evidence that Ron is false – for to acknowledge he is false, means looking at yourself – which raises questions about your own relationship with God. This leads to PAIN – it’s amazing what lies you can tell yourself in many areas of life, to avoid pain (even when you know in the long run that very pain will lead to joy and freedom, and LESS pain in the long run.
Moving On’s husband will lose his wife and family because HE continues to willingly ignore the evidence. Yes, he has been brainwashed – as I was. But we all ALLOWED it to happen.
Were we victims? Sometimes I think to a degree we were, but most of the time I think not.
IMO the REAL victims are our families, our friends. Innocent children forced to be brought up in such an insane belief system. Indeed, again IMO, I feel so sad and angry that this world is truly spoilt by religion in general.
Ron is but one of many.
If I believed in Karma, or justice, or Gods Punishment (snicker), I would like to think Ronnie would soon suffer, and suffer greatly. But nothing ever seems to happen to his type, so I’m not going to hold my breath.
Moving On: You said that you were scared to divorce your husband because of finances. I 100% understand that fear. I was thrown out of my home by my parents with ZERO financial support, ZERO help with university tuition, ZERO opportunities, and ZERO hope. That was the day I became an atheist. I will now give two answers to you. If you believe in God read answer one. If you don’t, read answer two.
1. If God truly is hanging around the universe and you believe in him, then pray for the help you need and get pout of there. If you REALLY believe he exists then you should not be scared at all. If he can create benzine, he can give you money.
2. There is no God. And there doesn’t have to be. The fear of crashing and burning financially will put a fire in your belly that will drive you hard to avoid ending up on the street. Feel that fear, taste it, smell it, and stare it straight in the eye and remember…feelings are NIOT facts. Your fear is 100% within you, and there is nothing in Reality that is for or against your success. Reality is neutral. Because I began my adult life as a teenager with no help or no support, I have done EXACTLY what you were afraid of , because I had no CHOICE. Take away the choice and you have no other option but to succeed. It was succeed or “die” for me. At some point it may have to be succeed or “die” for you.
I was torn out of my family’s life not of my choosing, with NOTHING. Almost 30 years later, I am sitting here in my rather large house, with a rather large bank account, sexy wife, amazing kids, sullen cat, and a couple of European sports cars in my garage. Not that having stuff is important or good, but to me they are reminders of just how hard I fought back against my “hopelessness” and made the CHOICE to stay alive. My wife is a South Vietnamese who went through the Vietnam War as a preteen, escaping rape gangs, foraging for food in garbage cans, stealing items from dead soldiers to help her family survive, and escaping on a boat to Hong Kong with no money and no shoes. She had no choice. She now teaches young Viet immigrant women how to adjust to life in Canada through cooking classes, tutoring for the Citizenship test, prenatal support, etc.
Both of us CHOSE to live. Both of us CHOSE not to fold under extreme pressure. We are NOT special, or superhuman, or smarter than you, or anything. We merely said ‘No” to failure and locked our teeth into surviving and didn’t let go. It can be done…and courage = being terrified but doing it anyway.
You CAN do it, but you will need to have a plan, and a driving lust for Life…
I can’t understand how anyone in their right mind can sit there and listen to Ron read from the very book that proves him to be a fake, phony and fraud. And while I’m at it how can they sit there and listen to him twist scripture after scripture to fit his means week after week.
Not one of them has the $%#&% to stand up and say “Hey Ron, what’s going on here, didn’t you say blah, blah, blah last month but now you’re saying blah, blah, blah this month only with a totally different meaning?
And how about the name of Ron’s latest sermon “The rise of Europe part one”. No matter how many “news” articles Ron reads from it won’t change the fact that absolutely none of his prophesies about Europe or any other continent for that matter have come true.
And you would think that God’s prophet and final witness to mankind would know how to pronounce the name of German chancellor Angela Merkel who is now conspiring along with other world leaders to destroy a third of mankind.
Hi Kirrily! Getting close, huh? Can’t wait to hear the great news! And YES. Reading Ron’s Book “2008….” is why I am here on this blog!!!
He continually says, as you and others pointed out MANY times that the TIMING is PROOF of who HE is…bla bla bla…
As things continued to NOT happen “exactly as written in the book”, it became more and nore puzzling and annoying to me.
Moving On, So sorry for what you are going through. I was in a situation like that long ago….4 kids still in school, I think the oldest was 14…I was petrified. You just have to jump. It will be ok really. AND you will have peace of mind!!!! Yeah, it was hard but I got through it and went on to do well and BE HAPPY!!!
YOU can succeed on your own. Your hubby is banking on your fear to keep you right where you are, just as RW has many in his church who are afraid to go…because of what they have been taught. You will just have to reach a point where you have had enough.
How many times does RW have to give the “what if Christ doesn’t return in may…(but of COURSE he WILL)…will you leave? Where will you go?” -speech?
ugh.
I had enough. I’m SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO outta there!
Hey Chacha! Yep – 2 days now until official due date! Getting nervous!
I thought that would be the case with you too (about reading GFW).
When you read it, it is sooooo obvious that nothing has happened even remotely as he wrote it, or gave in sermons. My bet is the membership have theirs collecting dust on their bookshelf.
Looking back now, I can’t believe that I actually had the conscious thought ‘i won’t read the book now at all, as it may stop me believing in Ron’ – and actually wasted another 8 months of my life!
Sheesh!! *slaps forehead*
No kidding! Haha! I can’t believe I did that too! I still watch the news and have to stop myself with the “pkg filter”. I am so glad to have a LIFE now. (Sorry Ron.) I can eat what is in the cubby, I can throw things away that I don’t really want because Wal*Mart will be around with more cheap junk for another 4000 years!!!LMAO! It will take me about 5 years to eat all the tuna I have! HA! Good thing I like it! (And I have a cat.
Rest and get ready for your big day! We think of you every day and wish you the best!
BIG hugs from the northern hemisphere!
Chacha
Ah yes, all the stocked food. LMAO, I still have about a dozen cans of something (the labels fell off).
It sounds like you are doing really well Chacha, I am sure you are a big encouragement to your hubbie.
Yes, resting up – big day any time now! For ages they thought he was going to come early, but he still seems happy to cook away for a bit longer! I’m 2 days off being 40 weeks!!
Thanks for your thoughts! xo
Wait a minute Chacha. Four kids in college?!! From the manner of your writing and you renergy I thought you were about 24 and newly married! Holy Crap, Chacha! You are probably as old as I am! You have great energy and resilience for a woman of MY age!!!
Wow!! I should eat better and maybe exercise more. I want your zeal!!
I’m an ol’ lady Avalo! Haha! but they say you are as young as you feel…and I usually feel about 24 until I do something physically strenuous…and I say to myself…”what the hell did I do THAT for? What do I think…I’m 24?” HAHAHA! I have 7 grandchildren now. I am in college full time and hope to graduate before my oldest granddaughter does! (She’s a freshman in High School…I dunno…it will be close!!!)
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE junk food….but I know I have to eat better.
Exercise…hmmmmmmmmmm…..
Chacha: You are in college full time?! Good for you!! Education is awesome and the more you know the more wondrous and amazing the world becomes.
I have advanced degrees in and speak several languages because I was always intellectually curious. I am DEFINITELY not smarter or wiser than anyone else, but I worked my butt off to be able to afford university, and the spiritual/intellectual rewards of pursuing any kind of education are VAST. And nothing says “I respect/love myself and others equally” like learning and sharing that knowledge with those who can’t access it. What sweet revenge on Weinland!! You broke free and are now learning and growing so far beyond the selfish, manipulative limits he put on you and the sheeple.
You ate of the Tree of True Knowledge and now Ron can’t spiritually abuse you anymore. If there is a God, he and his angels are cheering you on every step further away from Ronald Weinland…
Hello Chacha! I am Avalokiteshvara wife. You go to school and learn the things that you have no chance of in that church. Now you learn and have a good knowledge of those things. It is so good for you to learn that. And you send your kids to school and give them an education too so you are a good mom. Viet Nam we say learning is like a food and you eat healthy things!
Good luck!
In just a few minutes time it will be February 8th. I wonder if Kirily’s little bundle of joy has arrived yet.
Hey Jocko, not yet! It’s late afternoon here in Oz 8th Feb, no sign of any iminent arrival yet! He is officially due tomorrow (also my birthday tomoz!), so you never know – it may all start tonight!
Funny, docs thought he was going to come early, but he has gone right to the 40 weeks – now I’m hoping he won’t be too late!! Lol.
Unlike a certain individual’s prophesies which never seem to materialize we do know with one hundred percent certainty that Kirily’s little buddle of joy will be arriving shortly.
Congratulations will soon be in order for Kirily and her husband. For all we know the little guy could be making his entrance at this very moment. Hope all goes well with your delivery Kirily and I’m sure you know we all wish the best for you and your family.
And BTW, Happy belated birthday
Thank you Jocko! Had a lovely relaxing birthday
Bubs still happy to cook it seems
– he is 1 day overdue. Hopefully won’t be to much longer!