Ron’s Lying Wonder

False Prophet Ronald Weinland often makes date relationships between certain events, claiming prophetic significance.  One such claim, posted on his church website as part of his 23rd “truth” is:

Joseph Tkach, Sr. died 40 weeks to the very hour that he delivered his sermon of apostasy, which was a sign to God’s Church that Jesus Christ was now coming and that final end-time events had begun.

The False Prophet repeated this in his latest blog posting:

The truth is that this apostasy occurred on December 17, 1994, when Joseph Tkach, Sr. gave his defiant sermon against the truths of God and the Church became scattered as a result of that rebellion. It was from this time that God began to reveal dates and the importance in their timing. It is astounding how anyone who was scattered can deny the importance of the timing of Joseph Tkach’s death and God’s hand in its revelation.

Joseph Tkach, Sr. rebelled against God when he declared that the Sabbaths of God were no longer binding on God’s people. It was exactly 40 Sabbaths later, to the hour, that Joseph Tkach, Sr. died. Such timing should thunder loudly to God’s people, but it hasn’t.

I decided to check into this claim.  I found the “Servant’s News” September, 1995 issue (PDF download from Servants New website).  In it, Norm Edwards includes the text of a WCG Press Release on page 2.  The text reads:

WCG Press Release:
On Saturday, September 23, 1995, Joseph W. Tkach, Pastor General of the Worldwide Church of God, died in Pasadena, California, Headquarters of the Worldwide Church of God., In May of this year, Mr. Tkach underwent gall bladder surgery at which time it was discovered that he had cancer. After a four-month fight with his illness, Mr. Tkach died quietly at Huntington Memorial Hospital at 2:20 p.m. (PST).

Let’s analyze this further: 2:20 PM Pacific Standard Time was 5:20 PM Eastern Standard Time.  It was also 12:20 AM IST on the following day (Sunday) and well after the sabbath had ended in Jerusalem.  Furthermore, as shown in my last post, it was almost 4 hours AFTER the time (1:30 PM EST, 10:30 PST) that Joseph Tkach was kicked out of the hall in Atlanta, ending his prophetic sermon.

Whom do I believe?  Do I believe Norm Edwards and WCG, who have no dog in this fight?  Or do I believe a demonstrated insane liar (by his own definition)?

False Prophet Ronald Weinland, your pants are on fire.  Will you correct your “truth”??  Thought not, you liar!!

False Prophet Ronald Weinland, let me put that in terms you will understand.  You are a liar, liar, liar!!!!  But really, the 40-week thing doesn’t matter.  Even if the events could be traced to be exactly 40 weeks to the very minute between Tkach’s death and the exact statement he made in Atlanta that made him the “Son of Perdition” and “Man of Sin”, it still would not trump all of your failed prophecies.  Less than 5 months before Christ returns.  Where are the jack-booted German soldiers that are supposed to be tormenting us?

 

95 Comments

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    He SAOD that he looked into it and that it was to the VERY HOUR indeed. Ronald Weinland has clearly and openly lied. You can’t say it was a mistake, because he said “exact”. So it is an absolute lie.
    Yet again, Mike (DDTFA), the blogger whom Ron cursed to die, has shown Ronald Weinland to be a clear and obvious liar!!!

    MESSAGE TO THE PKG: Ronald Weiland is a false prophet, as a real prophet of God would not lie. The Apostasy Sermon/Tkach death is a lie, and may27th is a lie!!

    Please, for your own sake, get out of the PKG!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Don’t forget though Ava, us mockers have NOT been given (by God), the TRUE meaning of the word EXACTLY.

    If we could only understand!!

  • Atrocious says:

    The 5? truth: The word “exactly” means approximately, sometime or somewhere around there; or maybe give or take a few days, weeks, months, years, decades.

    The 5? truth: Truth means just like exactly; not true; false; lying.

    The 5? truth: opposite means the same and the same means opposite. Confusion means clear and clarity means whatever I want it to mean.

    Ron-god: I am TRUTH and I mean EXACTLY what I say and it should be perfectly CLEAR without any CONFUSION!

    yaddayaddayaddayaddayaddayaddayaddayaddayaddayaddablahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah. Someone make a hot-air balloon and set him under it and let him blow and lift him up higher than he has already lifted himself up.

  • jack635 says:

    Of course Ron could retort with:

    To the hour means twenty minutes after he started speaking. These people are twisting things to deceive you, to take away from the timing of exactly 40 sabbaths to the date. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT HOUR, …….what matters is the forty weeks. I’m dumbfounded that they can come up with this stuff!!!! You know, a spirit being is all stirred up because WE UNDERSTAND….and are so close. Truly, truly, awesome to understand.

    Yes Ron, you can use my speech writing skills if you pay me.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    To which I would reply: “Ron, it is YOU who made the big deal about being to the VERY HOUR. If it doesn’t matter, YOU shouldn’t have made such a big deal about it. You lying sack of bull-excrement!!”

  • chacha says:

    EXACTLY! 😉

  • jack635 says:

    lol

    It is so good for the mind to be able to have a good laugh once in a while.

  • jack635 says:

    Exactly means who’s on first.

  • chacha says:

    And then…won’t there have to be people that hear of Ron (besides the pkg) and know he exists so they can hate him and kill him in the streets of Jerusalem three and a half days before the return of christ?

    Or am I missing something?

    I mean…I thought the WHOLE WORLD is supposed to be happy and give gifts to one another when they see he is dead…

    oh…wait…the WHOLE WORLD was is shock and horror when the first trumpet….

    *pffthfffT*

    *ssssssssssssssssssssssss!*

  • chacha says:

    Hey, I still think the whole “who-shot-JR” scenario is in the works

    IT WAS JUST A DREAM!

    *Doh!*

  • chacha says:

    I hope EXACTLY means CHOCOLATE.
    mmmmmmm! Chocolate!

  • jack635 says:

    “WHOLE” means exactly what “EXACTLY” means. Don’t concern yourself with words. If you don’t understand a particular word, just forget about it and concentrate on the sermon.

  • chacha says:

    And god has 3 letters……OMG! RON has 3 letters! WOW! SO does WOW! and AND! incredible! If you take the “e” off the end of “incredibl_” it has 9 letters…(that’s 3×3)

    truly awesome! It really is!

    I’m gonna go eat some ice cream really fast and get a headache and go to bed! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

    Nighty night! 🙂

  • jack635 says:

    Cha Cha you made me open that box of chocolate truffles I said I wouldn’t open cause I ate too much during Christmas.

    See how I just shifted the blame of MY actions onto you? I learned that from Ron.

  • jack635 says:

    These are delicious.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    But I bet they don’t taste as good as Flavor Aid.

  • jack635 says:

    I hate Flavor Aid. Armstongism leaves a horrible tast in my mouth and it is a stench in the atmosphere of the earth.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    The Actual truth tastes like raspberry white chocolate.

    Weinlandism tastes like boiled diarrhea garnished with mouldy laundry…

  • jack635 says:

    Avalo, are you peeking through my window? I just ate one with a raspberry creme center and white chocolate drizzled on the outside. Be carefull , that ice is thin by the dock.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Nope. I am happily tucked into a big warm blanket in front of my computer here in good ol’ Toronto. The fireplace is going, the kids/wife are watching the Golden Globes, the cat is asleep at my feet, and things are quiet….

    …and Ronald Weinland is a liar.

  • jack635 says:

    I third the motion. Motion is carried. Ronald Weinland is a liar. again

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike. All this time I thought you were talking about Flavor Aid as what they drank at Jones town. You know something Ron would do in Weiland town if he wasn’t so greedy. Of course him and Laura wouldn’t drink it. They were have water with food coloring in it.
    A long time ago some one ask me if Ron was the type of person who would do such a thing to the followers. I told them, no he is too greedy..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t think that Ronnie would pull a Jim Jones either. When I use the term “Flavor Aid”, I’m talking about the whole Ron-package of nonsense.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Sry. meant “they would”. I am watching the Globes, distracted. Hoping I will win something this year. Year after year and my husband said. “Well you didn’t win anything this year” 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Commercial time.. Mike, did Ron say Tkach would die of cancer?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Tkach died before Ron got became a prophet and started issuing death curses. So “No”.

    How do you like my version of Ronnie’s HWA imitation?

  • jack635 says:

    If Ron would have cursed Tkach with death way back then, he’d probably still be alive today if he wasn’t too too old.

  • martin says:

    But…but….but…..if you contradict the statement that Tkach’s death was not as stated…….then……then…………………..

    Doesn’t that blow out the water the whole 70*7*13 numerology based prophecy?
    (even though we shouldn’t practice numerology)

  • jack635 says:

    Kaboom! Especially if that numerology based prophecy was made near a “port city”.

  • martin says:

    Between the upcoming jail time….and people disproving him left and right, and cursed people not dropping dead like a proper corpse should……..you people are going to give him ulcers.

    That’s not good.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    … and don’t forget some people not sending him all their money.

  • jack635 says:

    I hope his team of lawyers fleece him good.

  • jack635 says:

    Who could get tired of reading this:

    By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time. There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time. This will be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book begins.

    The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true exactly as I have described. This will be the proof that I am God’s end-time witness and spokesman.

  • martin says:

    Between getting fleeced from the IRS and getting fleeced by the Legal team and getting it from Big Joe his cell mate……

    it’s going to get ugly, I thing the technical term for all this is ‘Ménage à trois’.

  • Jocko says:

    Until today I was unaware of the fact that Joseph W Tkach died from terminal cancer which had been diagnosed four months before his death. Thousands of people die from cancer every single day.

    It’s not like Mr.Tkach was struck down by lightning or died of a massive heart attack. It’s very possible Mr.Tkach was already a dead man walking leading up to his infamous sermon of December 1994.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Even if the events could be traced to be exactly 40 weeks to the very minute between Tkach’s death and the exact statement he made in Atlanta that made him the “Son of Perdition” and “Man of Sin”, it still would not trump all of Ron’s failed prophecies.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true exactly as I have described. This will be the proof that I am God’s end-time witness and spokesman. (Update: see attachment marked ‘A’)

    ATTACHMENT ‘A’

    This book was written when the church believed Christ was going to return on the Feast day that we have believed previously. Since Gods revelation of the 50th truth, well, it changes everything. I am currently re-writing the entire book, with all these changes detailed. I hope to have it completed prior to Christs return in a few short months. So now to believe I AM gods prophet, there is obviously not the original test as stated above, but a matter of faith. If you can’t see it, you are not being led by God, and will need to beg him for mercy. Go to the FAQ section of this website, if you can’t find the answer, we will be too busy with end time events occurring with ever increasing power to deal with you.

    Gods truths are dumbfounding, amazing, amazing, amazing.

    If your doubts are overshadowing these truths, you will need to seek God earnestly.

    (end)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Kirrily, when are we going to get to see another of your parodies?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Mmmmmm, let me think of one …….. It’s overdue isnt it! 🙂

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Kind of hard with this subject. How do you parody Ron any better than he does himself?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Very true Mike!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And now for the ENCORE:

    “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time. There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time. This will be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book begins. The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true exactly as I have described. This will be the proof that I am God’s end-time witness and spokesman.”

  • jack635 says:

    See! We don’t get tired of your book, Ron. We publish excerpts quite often. These quotes are awesome. They are here for your PKG members to read as well. And we quote them exactly as you wrote them.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Good morning!!
    I don’t know if Ron still preaches this or not to his followers, maybe Kirrily, Astro and Chacha would know, since they came in right after I left. I find it Ironic that we weren’t suppose to serve jury duty, (which when I was called Ron sent me a letter to get me out “religious reasons”), can’t vote, no political talk on Reps. or Dems ect… And now if he doesn’t take a plea he will be judged by a jury. My fault because I never ask, but what was the reasoning behind not serving for the government, and yet Ron talks about it? Infact, right now he is wrapped up in government..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike, on your Ronnie HWA imitation, were you asking the others on here? I just know about him mainly from your blog. Or is it that some think you sounded Like them on the interview. haha
    Someone in the PKG sent us a tape once on HWA having a private Jet built to visit other countries. I had my husband watch it with me and all I can say neither one of us were impressed one bit. Disgusting I thought. Tacky and boring.

  • jack635 says:

    Where are the jack-booted German soldiers that are supposed to be tormenting us?

    They are in their stockbroker’s offices buying up U.S. dollars because they are worried about the euro.

  • Jocko says:

    It’s hard to believe that by this point in the game Ron is still referring to “2008 God’s final witness” during his sermons.

    I heard him mention the book at least once during this past Saturday’s sermon and this only proves how truly delusional he is. And may I add powerfully so.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is the addition Ron should have made to 2008-God’s Final Witness:

    “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time. There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time. This will be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book begins. The answer that I am who I say I am will be given by the events described in both books coming true exactly as I have described. This will be the proof that I am God’s end-time witness and spokesman…

    …and if the events do not happen, then I will completely backtrack and say that God hasn’t revealed everything yet, steal from the American government by lying about my finances, forbid people to date/remarry divorcees, change times and laws, use numerology while telling my flock to NOT use numerology, lie about the death of Joseph Tkach Sr., hold Feast days I said would never occur, and issue non-occurring death curses….AND STILL call myself Go’s end time witness. This will be the proof that I am true to my word…”

  • jack635 says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot about the “true to my word” thing, OR I WILL STOP PREACHING.

    But Ron will say he HAS stopped preaching. He is now WITNESSING. You don’t understand Avalo, because it has to be given to you by God…….I mean Ron.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    All the things I want to be “given” are from my wife…;)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Atrocius (not “Astro”) only had a brief association with Ronnie just before WCG blew up in ’95.

    While PKG members are not to participate in the military or government functions like elections or jury duty, they otherwise are supposed to be subject to Civil Government. Ron teaches that one should pay his taxes because he could go to jail if he doesn’t.

    The imitation I’m talking about is Ronnie’s version of HWA’s book cover photo, which you might not have seen. What do you think of the picture I made?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    BTW: For those of you who are not familiar with Vietnamese culture, right now is a very exciting time for Vietnamese. The Vietnamese New Year is coming up on Jan. 23rd, so the preparations are underway in Viet houses all around the world. It is called “Tết”, and it is like “regular” New Year, except it happens over roughly a week! Children receive red envelopes full of money from the relatives, visiting occurs, homage to dead relatives, etc. So today marks the day when people begin really ramping up the preparations for Tết, so the Avalokiteshvara household is really hopping right now with cleaning, shopping, decorating, buying supplies, confirming travel plans, confirming visitation schedules, and such.

    So if I seem in a much more upbeat mood over the next couple of weeks , this is why…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Mike (DDTFA); I LOVE the picture, and got the HWA reference! Plus I love the flames.

    And.. a VERY happy Tết 2012 to you Mike, Randy, Helen, Atrocious, Kirrily, Chacha, Whisper, Jocko, Martin, Red, Douglas Becker, Jack635, and everyone, and I hope that even though you don’t celebrate Vietnamese holidays, you will still have a great January, and that if God is out there he will give to you guys all the blessings and happinesses my wife/kids/science have given me.

    Chúc Mừng Năm Mới!!!! 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    lol! Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.. haha it is ” Atrocius”. And she is right. Ron is atrocius..

    Mike, I love that picture. Will that be on the cover of your “Mike, the False Prophet Slayer Book?” Except where”s the horns and the pitch fork? 🙂 Growing up I was told, the Devil had horns and a pitch fork. lol
    I looked hard at that picture, and noticed on Ron’s face he looks so mean, devilish and unhappy really. Don’t you find him creepy looking or is it just me?
    You should also have Laura’s head just peaking out of the flames. Takes two to Tango! In otherwards, she is the other half…

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Well thank you so much Avalokiteshvara, I will take it.. My lady friend Chang and I are putting on a Chinese New years party. Does that count??
    And a very happy wonderful Tet (sry cant get that line on top of e) 2012 to you Avalo and your wonderful family.. Great Blessing to all of you..
    I think this month and year will be wonderful… the whole 2012 and there after!!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I was thinking Mike. Do you think I will have had 30 more years added to my life if I mock Ron until end of March?
    Because at 90, I still want to Zumba dance, chacha, 2 step, bellydance, ect.ect.. WAIT leave out the bellydance I just thought of that Picture in my mind. ugh!! Barf. haha
    Ride in a red convertable, my hair extensions flowing in the wind. If I have enough on my head to put those extencions in:(
    Oh yes my friends.. what glorious years we have ahead of us…

  • Atrocious says:

    And the same to you, Avalo and Chúc Mừng Năm Mới. I hope you have a wonderful celebration of Tết.

    Ron was the pastor in Toledo for a short time in 1994-1995 and he could not accept the changes. He was very upset. I did not like him at that time, and I don’t like him now (as you all know LOL). I didn’t attend services on a regular basis at that time because of some ongoing marital problems but I was still in the clutches of the cult. Several years later I left the marriage and the area and started my life anew, and as far as I know, my ex is still in one of the splinter groups. Which one, I don’t know. I was in the WCG for approximately 35 years before I finally made the final break six years ago.

    If any of you know who I am because of what I just revealed, please keep it to yourself. Thanks.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I don’t know as I was never in WCG or any of those except Ron for only about 4 years.. Yeah, I know, I can read your minds. “what in the heck was I thinking!!” I wasn’t..
    Anyway, Atrocious, mums would be the word anyway. That is the way it should be and I think Mike would like it that way too. I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but i just did. haha This is a special blog with special friends. I know I am open and put my name out there along with my cousin Randy. But we are ok with it.. We don’t go back before Ron anyway. At least I don’t..
    I am just happy for you that you are out and are happy. That is all that matters Atrocious… We need to not know more than that… You are a sweetie…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Atrocious: I think I knwo who you are. Based on what you have said, I am pretty sure you are…Bonnie Raitt!

    I have all your albums!! 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    hahaha Avalo you are a crack up… we have all her Albums also… One of her older songs we really like is, “I can’t make you love me”. I think that is the name of it.. Atorcious’s voice is amazing.
    So Atrocious, will you sign our ablums? Please!!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I love how Bonie doesn;t get overly emotional and make the song whiny. She sings it like a real human being who has seen it all. Plus, in this particular video, pianist Bruce Hornsby is backing her up. Bruce had a few hits years ago, and is universally praised by rock/jazz/gospel/funkRn’B/soul musicians as one of the most lyrical pianists ever.

    Just listen to how Bruce and Bonnie make this song an absolute wonder…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdR0g2sMyAc

  • martin says:

    Ronald’s members should ask him this “WHERE ARE THE ASIATIC HORDES?”

    They’re supposed to be overrunning the middle east by now.

    If you accept Ronald’s warped explanation of what constitutes “5 months”, ie 5 month in RonSpeak equals (or can equal, or will have begun to equal) 3 months and 2 days….then the Asiatic hordes have a little over 2 weeks to start their march.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is where the Asian Hordes went: It’s 100 Japanese kids versus a Japan League soccer team!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8YHxaEla2Y&feature=related

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo, I was going to say Bruce and Bonne together make that song an aboslute wonder. Well, i was going to say spine chilling beautiful..
    Now go to the older version in Black and White. If you go to Youtube and go to Bonnie’s 100 songs it will be number 1 video. If it is still the put that way. Have you heard that version of when they first recorded on Video.. I think it is Bruce and he only gets better with age. He knows how to hit those keys. And her voice is still the same. Amazing.
    Adele tries to sing that song but like hubby and I say, no one sings it like Bonnie. He has always been a big fan of hers. I wasn’t until a couple years after him. I wish I could put on an Adele song I like but I don’t know how to do it from You tube. It is called “Someone Like you”. I think so far that is the only song I like of hers. You can tell I like those heartfelt songs. Sappy shall we say. 🙂
    I love music though, so I have alot of artist from the 40’s until now I still enjoy… My husband is a Big fan of all kinds of music. Me ,I don’t like it if I can’t sing to it. haha Or if it doesn’t send chills down my spine. I am glad you put her song up..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I am trying to learn to transfer the music on here Avalo, but I don’t think I have it figured out yet.. Does it look right?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    hmmmm it didn’t show up.. sry

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen: Go to Youtube and find the video you want. Then look up to the http:///address in your web browser, highlight it, right click and choose “copy”. Now return to Mike’s blog, and “paste” it into the “leave a Reply” box. It will be in black letters. When you submit the reply, it will show up in blue letters and people will be able to just click on it and be taken instantly to Youtube to see it.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Martin, I don’t think the Asiatic Hordes are required under Ron’s scenario to make their presence known until the last day. If they can somehow hide the preparation of a 200 million strong army, more power to them.

    Except that Ron now is talking more about “nukular” weapons and hasn’t mentioned the hordes for awhile.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen: Here is the video you want.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo&ob=av2e

    Mike (DDTFA): Indeed. Ron always loses interest in his prophecies when they are completely and utterly off the mark…which is always…

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Yep Avalo. That is the one I wanted to show you.. hmmm I did copy something, guess it wasn’t the correct address. I want to put one on for you to hear, so I will try it again. Good practice. Thanks bud..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    BTW: This is how completely ludicrous the Asian Horde 200 million man army figure is. 200 million is roughly the population of all of either Indonesia or Brazil. It is also almost the population of both the Philippines and Vietnam put together!! Brazil is 192 million people. Imagine transporting the ENTIRE population of Brazil across South and Central America up into the USA.

    Do you REALLY think it is going to happen/be done in five months, considering the food/water/sanitation/fuel needed?!!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I think I got it.. Thanks alot Avalo.. And thanks Mike for letting me test things on your blog. But now I know how to put things on here.. fun..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=570uOJupVBk&annotation_id=annotation_383694&v=4MRuB3mtx6g

    I wasn’t familiar with Harold Camping so I found him on Youtube.

    Now I know why Harold and Ron are alike. Non of their prophecies came true.. Which two are the worst? Or would you say they are equal?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is another little bit of info for folks to consider about the Asian Hordes. They would have to take 200 million men through Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq to get there!!

    Do you REALLY think those countries are going to be OK with letting a 200 MILLION man army go through!!?!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Later information puts the responsibility for this episode at Harold Camping’s doorstep. Which I mentioned on the podcast interview. Also that Ron has had effects that I can’t discuss.

    Which is worse? Both are equally bad, if Harold wins out it’s because he had more followers.

    I think if China had a 200 million-man army that other countries would not be able to stop them from marching through. So yeah, I think they would “let” them pass through.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    On the Podcast I also remember it mentioned about a lady, I think from Asia, who killed her children and herself so they wouldn’t have to go through the tribulation.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Just read it. I thought she did kill her children and herself. Thanks for refreshing my memory.. It is just all craziness over all the end-time crap.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    She’s from southern California and attempted (fortunately failed) at murder-suicide of her two daughters.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    You mentioned on your interview there are worse Phophets than Ron.. So I was just wondering. And yes you are right, I am sure there are some worse.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Herbert Armstrong taught against seeking medical care, practicing it when his son was in a car wreck and his wife had a simple bowel obstruction. But then he got medical care in his old age. He broke up families simply because one of the partners had been married before. But then he changed that doctrine when he wanted to marry a divorcee’.

    Garner Ted Armstrong bedded many young ladies. Herbert Armstrong was credibly accused, though it would not stand up in criminal court, of molesting his daughter.

    I have not seen indications that Weinland has done those things, and rather doubt that he has.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    OTOH, some of Ron’s followers make choices based on his false prophecies and teachings that are bad decisions. But, nooooo. It’s not Ron’s fault at allll.

    Yeah, right.

  • chacha says:

    Hey Mike(DDTFA) Great interview! Way better than wRonG’s. YOU answered the questions that were asked! It was ridiculous how the host kept asking the same question and he never answered it..just gave some lame excuse.

    Lame Ron, lame. Oh and Ron…let me help you out with something. The 1st Trumpet “blew” in DECEMBER of 08 NOT NOVEMBER. November 14th was the “opening of the 7th Seal”. Then the “30 days of silence”. MAN! Can’t you keep your dates straight?

    And we are still waiting to be in”shock and horror”…but I guess that will be “soon enough”.

    Kirrily, Loved “attachment A”! perfect. (How you feeling? ready for the big day? Hugs to you! and hubby too!)

    The nukular explosions at port cities…..Flavor-aid gives you gas. That’s my theory and I’m stickin’ with it!

    Ha.

    Cheeers all! Chacha

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Good Mornnig.

    First of all Mike I want to say, don’t change a thing on your picture, it is perfect how it is. Things ADDED to it would be too much like a cartoon and this picture is scary. I woke up this morning thinking about that picture. Haunting really. I thought of the weirdest thing, the song from Johnny Cash stuck in my head and all I could remember from the song is “Burn, burn burn”. Can’t remember what else it says. Anyway, the picture is memorable.

    I agree, Ron is not a molester to my knowledge. That never entered my mind knowing him. All I ever heard of HWA was how wonderful and Godly he was, and one was not aloud to were make-up. I did hear though Garner Ted is the one who split the church up.
    On Ron being a con and False Prophet is bad enough, but child molester is horrid.
    I had no idea Herbert taught some Scientology and Catholic doctorine. He sounds like a doctorine changer himself.
    It seems every religion has its horrible secrets. Or I should say “cover=ups”.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Chacha, Good to hear from you. How are things going for you and your hubby. I hope he is getting over being out of PKG. It takes awhile. But I wish you both the very best..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Don;t forget Helen that Herbert W. Armstrong said that the Pope would resurrect Hitler, and that man would never walk on the moon!!

    This is the man he idolizes!!!

  • chacha says:

    Hi Helen,

    It is going well. Hubby back at work, I am back at school….life goes on. Hard for him since he was born into wcg. But, he is adapting and making his way…I don’t push him in either direction. It is his choice to make.

    Loving winter and getting by.

    Take care and have a great day!

    Chacha

  • Herbert Armstrong was credibly accused, though it would not stand up in criminal court, of molesting his daughter.

    Thankfully, it stood up in civil court, just long enough for Ramona to get her Divorce settlement.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Oh my Avalo. Never heard that one either. Was HWA claiming to be a Prophet also? Hmmm So the pope was to ressurect Hilter!!! Wow!! This keeps on getting better and better!

    Douglas, is that Ramona Weinland?

    Chacha, so glad you are doing well and hubby back at work. You are right, good not to push him. I am sure he is dealing with alot of confusion right now, since he was brought up in the church.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Different Ramona’s. Herbie was Ronnie’s spiritual idol but never his step-father.

  • J says:

    Thiel linked to a site that had a link to Mike’s site. Baby steps, I guess.

  • Mike(DDTFA) says:

    Yeah, I noticed. But I suspect Bob didn’t.

  • YYZ says:

    I thought you might get a kick out of it Mike.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Theil should take a good hard long look at himself before he bags anyone else. He is such a tosser, and makes Ron’s significant arrogance look small – IMO.

    Imagine living in that dudes messed up mind ….. *shudder*