Five Months of Torment

Revelation 9

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

If you take “five months” to be 5 prophetic months of 30 days each, or a total of 150 days, then today, December 29, is 150 days prior to May 27.  But False Prophet Ronald Weinland argued in a 2010 Feast of Tabernacles sermon that “five months” doesn’t have to be 5 full months, it could be the end of the 1st month, then months 2, 3, and 4, followed by the first part of the 5th month.  So we’ll go with that.  But not allowing a month to be any arbitrary period of time.  So let’s go with the Jewish calendar, which is generous to Ron as its months align with the phases of the moon and are of length 28 to 30 days.  The 5 Jewish months leading up to and including Pentecost of 2012 are:

  • January 25, 2012   = Shevat 1
  • February 24, 2012 = Adar 1
  • March 24, 2012 = Nissan 1
  • April 23, 2012 = Iyar 1
  • May 22, 2012 = Sivan 1

The very last day that we can squeeze the five months of torment down under this definition is the last day of Shevat, February 23.  But the five months of torment is part of the fifth trumpet.  Which is preceded by the first 4 trumpets. Ron wrote in his book that the first trumpet was exactly the destruction of one-third of all plant life.    But then spiritualized it to be the economic woes because the dollar after all is green just like plant life.  During the first aborted timeline, the 2nd trumpet was supposed to be “nukular” explosions in US port cities.

But Ron says he doesn’t have the foggiest notion what these trumpets are going to be during this timeline.  We’ll have to know by February 23.  Except that Ronald Weinland has somehow compressed this down to the last three weeks before Christ returns.  In the meantime, I prophesy that I won’t win the Great End-of-the-end contest on Dill Weed’s blog because Ron won’t admit by January 7 that Christ is not returning in May.

 

215 Comments

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    How the heck does he not know the Trumpets, but can say May 27th about the (non-return) of Christ?! Some prophet.

    At least Adar 1 will reveal that Ron has yet again lied…

  • Whisper01 says:

    The continued degrading of prophecy. Oh, it’s never “didn’t happen”, but it is always a slow or quick degredation, change of that prophecy so that in a skewed view it can still somehow happen. Is this “God” of his so very weak that s/he can not even perform Rons stated miracles in a fashion that we, human beings, can simply understand them? 5 months is “5 months” and 3-1/2 years is “3-1/2 years”, until that is the prophecies don’t come off and then the “explanations” begin. Oh, 3-1/2 years is actually times, time and half a time… 5 months is actually the last day of the 1st month and then the next 3 months are are normal and the last month can be only 1 day as well… Green vegitation is actually money… I don’t know how he sluffed off that there would be no new president in 2009 or that the government of this nation would be gone by late 2008 / early 2009? Explanation after explanation after axplanation… change, change, change. We can see a lot of Camping in Wienland, except Camping was never tried by the government… Go figure.

  • Matt says:

    My money was on November for the first push-out. I have a sneaking suspicion that the impending trial is giving Ron some real incentive to believe in his own nonsense, and that we may actually get pretty close to the date before he trots out some new inventions.

  • Matt says:

    Also, I am outraged that the bible does not specify what species of seal God will send for all the believers to balance on their foreheads.

  • Ryan says:

    I wanted to make a quick comment about one of Mike’s postings in November regarding Ron’s indictment. You kept on saying how Ron promised us a blog update about his indictment, and you said that he was technically not a liar on this count since he posted just before the Sabbath’s sermon. This is one example of twisting and distorting things that Ron says. This is a quote from that sermon from the Sabbath prior:

    “Next Sabbath in Part 2 of this series, we will hopefully get to a 2nd posting that I intend to put online next week, at least next week sometime hopefully, which gives a response to an indictment I’ve received that has been coming now for about 3-and-a-half years…”

    Now please show me where in this statement that Ron was promising anybody a posting about his indictment before that following Sabbath. He said HOPEFULLY get to a 2nd posting, INTEND to put it online next week, and then said hopefully again after this. If you’re gonna write about Mr. Weinland, at least speak the truth of what he says, he didn’t make any kind of solemn promise that would have made him a liar if no posting had come before that Sabbath’s sermon.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Deu 18:20-22:

    “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

    Hey Ronald Weinland, we are not afraid of you…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan said: “If you’re gonna write about Mr. Weinland, at least speak the truth of what he says..”. Oh my! Mike (DDFTA) may have missed the word “might”. What a crime!

    Thanks for the ignorant drive-by criticism of a site you clearly know nothing about or understand. Ronald Weinland said there was not going to be any president in 2009. Why don’t you focus on Ronald Weinland LYING in the name of God? And why is Ronald Weinland being brought to COURT for tax fraud?

    Yet another pathetic attempt by an idiot to defend a fake God/holy man from being exposed.

    Nice job Ryan…

  • Matt says:

    That is a pretty big compliment Mike. Apparently that is the only gripe a follower can come up with, and it amounts to wording that could be considered too strong if you were nitpicking. You must be doing a really good and balanced job.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Indeed. The “Ryan”-s of this world are petty, intellectually ‘small’ people who struggle desperately to believe things that are demonstrably false, and hate anyone who dares question their dumb beliefs.

    You see “Ryan” wherever stupidity and narcissism reigns…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, you have a point there. Now tell us about how green money is EXACTLY the same as green grass. Let’s put Weinland’s words to the test. Or is there a hedge in each one of them?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I guess that is why they call it a ‘hedge’ fund…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Here is what Ron Weinland said on Dec 17, speaking from his 5-Diamond hotel in Las Vegas:
    “This is what is on the church website concerning truth #51, which is going to change this weekend. There’s just going to be two sentences added. It says:[Reads from website] Now I’m going to give you the rest of what will now be posted (or at least part of it) on the website…”

    It was after Tuesday before he updated his website. Ron had direct control of his son Jeremy and his new senior elder Greg Chipps in attendance there. Either one of them could have updated the website before Monday as Ron had promised. It didn’t happen. Liar. Ron is a liar.

  • degredation

    More accurately, FP rotten’s prophecies end in Entropy.

  • jack635 says:

    You are very generous Mike. I, however believe that five months means five months. And that five months starts on the first day of the first month and finishes on the last day of the last month.

    I’ll be generous too. I’ll give Ron the benefit of the doubt. I’ll base the five months on 28 day months. That very generously gives him till January 8th at sundown Jerusalem time. I cannot give him any other later date. So if CNN is not reporting strange buglike creatures stinging people all over the world, then Ron is a liar again. PERHAPS HE CAN SERMONIZE THIS AWAY TOO.

  • jack635 says:

    The Seven Thunders will serve as a powerful witness
    that the words of this book are true, and that they are from the
    God of Abraham, the Father of Jesus Christ. –PAGE 96 2008 GFW

    Really?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ok, so Ronnie has revealed EXACTLY what 5 months means – phew! But if only he would explain what EXACTLY means, we may all yet be able to be saved from the lake of fire! I mean, Ryan seems like a top bloke – imagine being able to rule alongside him in Gods Government!! There is still time people! Still time!! *gets on bended knee, places hand on calendar, begs God for more understanding on how to correctly interpret it*

  • martin says:

    5 Months is 5 months. 3 months and 2 days are not 5 months.

    Ronald is mentally retarded.

    Ryan said: “If you’re gonna write about Mr. Weinland, at least speak the truth of what he says..”.

    It would be nice if you applied this to God and the bible.

  • Atrocious says:

    It’s amazing to me how Ryan picks ONE post and picks ONE sentence in that post to critique, a sentence that, compared to all the other sentences in all the other posts, was insignificant. So that means that every other post and sentences in those posts were true and correct according to Ryan. For all the hard work you have put into this blog, Mike, that is the compliment of all compliments. Like I’ve said before and I’ll say again; you have sources, books, sites, articles, etc at your fingertips to prove everything you say to be correct and true. You need a certificate of achievement to frame and hang on your wall.

  • martin says:

    Do the 5 months start on the 1st of a month? Most likely it does.

    On the other hand, if I said I was awake for 24 hours, nobody would assume I meant from 12:01am to 12:01am of the following day.

    But the bible says 5 months, not 150 days….150 days can start and end at anytime, so it would appear that the intent of the bible language, is that the beginning of this 5 month period starts on the 1st of the month of some month(of Hebrew Calendar).

    Trying to compressing 5 months down to 3 months and 2 days is simply retarded (last day of “1st month” and first day of “last month” + 3 full in between months).

  • martin says:

    “Trying to compressing 5 months” –> Trying to compress 5 months
    🙂

  • chacha says:

    Ah…another spiritual “seagull” swooping in to leave their spiritual poop, and swoop away before they get caught.

    (Someone used the seagull analogy before me…I liked it. ;))

    Yes…we are all waiting getting ready for the meaning of “exactly” so we can all breathe again.

    Hubby and I went over the 2008:GFW nonsense again. How can people NOT read that book NOW and “see”? (Oh yeah…Ron hasn’t been pushing them to read the book now as he did in the past. If he DID, I think too many would start to wonder as I did and then the funds for the travel and the top-notch legal team would go down. Can’t have THAT!)

    Great job as usual Mike(DDTFA)!

  • martin says:

    As mention in main post….the 5th trumpet plague (5 months of torment) is proceeded by trumpets 1-4

    None of which has happened yet.

    Trumpet
    1 A third of the earth, a third of the trees and all the green grass were burned. (Ronald decided it was money….but that didn’t happen either)

    Trumpet
    2 A third of the sea became like the blood of a dead man. A third of the fish perished and a third of the ships sank. (Ronald decided it was the oil spill that would do this,but that didn’t happen either)

    Trumpet
    3 A third of the rivers of water were made bitter and many people died. (didn’t happen)

    Trumpet
    4 The sun, moon and the stars were then darkened by a third. (didn’t happen)

  • chacha says:

    So maybe the third trumpet: a third of the rivers of water…(it’s “spiri-chool” for what people are being taught in the “false churches”) and they were made bitter…again, it’s “spiri-chool”…and they died SPIRI-CHOOLY”!

    And the fourth would be the light (“spiri-chool” for truth) would be “hidden”…or darkened by the lack of light (or TRUTH!)

    SEE? It’s EASY!

    So, unless we all come crawling to wRONg and beg him for forgiveness and send our tithes (must not forget THAT) we are all screwed.

    Can’t you “see” that?

    *barf*

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Chacha, I remember after the first timeline failure (lies), I purposely STOPPED reading Gods Final Witness, as I didn’t want to ruin my faith, lol.

    Geez, Rons very own book proves himself wrong – that is undeniable. Not one single prophecy he has written in the book has come to pass – it’s a fact, again undeniable.

    I bet none of his followers read it any more – at least, they could not read the parts relating to his ‘prophecies’.

    Either God is a liar (which Ron by his actions suggests), or Ron and his wench are.

  • chacha says:

    It is amazing that it continues. The senior elder over our area was surprised by my “accusations” (in the letter I wrote them). I didn’t write any accusations. But, I guess he just can’t “see” it….poor guy.

    I know what you mean about purposely NOT looking at certain things or even trying to twist the news to “fit” what Ron had “prophesied”.

    He is getting nuttier by the week, as he seems to be comparing himself to Christ more and more.

    Hope all is going well with your pregnancy. you and hubby must be so excited! It is so close now! Nice to have a REAL date of something REALLY amazing to look forward to after the fake ones of the “old days”, huh?

    Take care! hugs! 😉

  • jack635 says:

    The destruction in Canada will be less, but
    she will experience repercussions from what will happen in the
    U.S.; because she is a neighbor, as well as a prophetic brother.
    When we are told that a third of all plant life will be destroyed,
    that is exactly what it means.

    I live in Canada and ALL the green grass is under white snow right now. I guarantee it will be green again in the spring. Perhaps the above verse is why Wayne mentioned the last page of GFW. I think Ron mentioned the last page of GFW as well. So what does he mean by that? The book is obsolete, except for the last page?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Too right Chacha! Yep, getting close! He is due just over 5 weeks away now, but it’s looking like he is going to arrive a bit early! Will have to wait and see. 🙂

  • chacha says:

    Yeah, I love that.

    “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a
    world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer
    exist as an independent nation within six months after that time.
    There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not
    yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time. This will
    be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book
    begins.” (last page 2008: GFW, 3rd paragraph)

    Tick tock….STILL waiting. It has been what….5 or 6 years since the distribution of this book? What is it EXACTLY about this last page that they like SOOOOOOO much?

  • chacha says:

    Kirrily, I’ll be thinking of you every day!

  • chacha says:

    Or this gem from the very end….

    “only a very short time remains before it will be
    evident that I am who I say or that I am not. In the past 1900
    years, have you ever read or heard of a publication from any
    religious leader who has made such claims, laying out such a
    precise pattern for the near future with such precise timelines?”

    No, because there has not been one who is as INSANE as you!
    Oops. I mocked. The rot will now begin!
    shit

  • jack635 says:

    Kirilly, I can’t say “I can hardly wait to hold him”, so I ‘ll say I can hardly wait till you hold him.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Aw, thanks Jack! The time has gone by so quickly. I’m so looking forward to meeting my little man 🙂

  • jack635 says:

    When he smiles at you don’t believe the old wives tale about “it’s just gas”. Newborns really can smile.

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, I don’t hate anybody, and I’ve never even implied that I hate anybody, I do love everybody on this blog. What I don’t understand is that if Mike is Christian, then why is he expressing so much hatred for somebody regardless of what they’ve done ? Didn’t Christ teach us to love even our enemies, not necessarily enabling them, but still loving them and not be bitter and angry and making fun of how he pronounces certain words.

    Yes he said no President in 2009, which was back during the time that the Church believed that things would be happening from the very beginning, that went based upon faith until God gave His correction, as God’s servants did things wrong all over the Bible and then God would give them correction, He gives much correction to the 7 Church eras in the book of Revelation, why would it not stand true that God reveals things in His own timing, thus correcting whatever the Church was not correctly believing ? Why can’t it apply to the present. Did God not give much much correction to His Church throughout the Bible ?

  • Ryan says:

    Matt, I have already gave my comments about most of the hott-topic issues related to Mr. Weinland in previous postings, and I already know that most people on this blogg will not be changing their minds, certainly just by my words alone, so there is no point in discussing those things especially when I already have before.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, you have listed a bunch of random disasters. You have regurgitated Ron’s lame excuses.

    Ryan you have not named a specific prophesy of Weinland’s that came to pass exactly how he said it would exactly when he said it would.

    I prophesy that you will ignore this and disappear for a few months to repeat the same stuff. Nit picking. Lame excuses. Nothing important.

  • Ryan says:

    Mike, with the 1st Trumpet thing, there could still be a physical event which does the physical destruction described in his book, especially before the 2nd Trumpet, which doesn’t even have to sound until May 2012 at the latest.

    With the not updating the web-site during that weekend, this would be like one of my family-members and her boy-friend when she told him that she was going to the car place after work to get work done on the car, but there was so much traffic and so she didn’t make it before they closed. Her boy-friend was calling her a liar because she didn’t do what she has supposedly promised. Should this person have been considered a liar because of unforseen things preventing such ? Talk about a petty arguement, you think anybody is a liar if they say they will update their web-site during a certain time but things happen and they don’t, I’m sure it’s happened for you too Mike but it doesn’t make you a liar at all.

  • Ryan says:

    Jack635, Ron has never stated that the scorpions of the 5 months were literally scorpions, he never thought that they would be physical scorpions. Not even armstrong believed that they would be actual scorpions. So why would Ron be a liar if you don’t see bug-biting on CNN when Ron never said that this was a literal part of the book of Revelation ? Ron’s book even talked about what the scorpions spiritually mean.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, lame, lame, lame on the 1st trumpet.

    And if the 2nd trumpet doesn’t sound until May, how do you fit in the 5 months of torment of the 5th trumpet. Lame, lame, lame. Whether its actual scorpions or something else. And lame lame lame on your response to Jack. If the bible can be symbolic so can he. Lame, Ryan. Very very lame.

    And BS on not updating the website. He had TWO people who could do it, and it’s less than 15 minutes to do something like that. Lame, lame, lame.

    Name a specific prophesy of Weinland’s that has come to pass.

  • Ryan says:

    Atrocious, I’m not addressing much of anything else because I already have on this very blog, there is no need to do it all over again, I did this just a few months ago. Mike, I respect you more than the others on here because you don’t really resort to name-calling, at least not at people who aren’t Ron, but I would appreciate if I wasn’t called names on here, because I am being very respectfull of them and not doing what they’re doing. I can’t say the same for every PKGer who might have posted on this blog, but you know that I’ve always been respectfull, and you’ve said in the past that you do want to keep this blog respectfull and make sure that they aren’t doing what would probably have me banned from this blog if I did likewise.

  • Ryan says:

    Martin, where dod Ron ever say that oil-spillage would be part of the 2nd Trumpet ? Why didn’t you at least include that he says that it will be nuclear destruction in port cities ? He even addressed somebody writing into him and asking if the Deepwater Horizon thing could be part of the 2nd Trumpet, but he said no, it was part of the Thunders (either the 2nd Thunder from previous Carribean Earthquakes disrupting the ground underneath to eventually cause an oil-rig to fail, or the 4th Thunder for the economy).

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, what did Atrocius say that was calling you a name?

    And while you’re at it, name a specific prophesy of Weinland’s that has come to pass. No long list of random disasters. No regurgitating of Ron’s lame excuses. Name one specific prophesy that clearly came to pass that doesn’t require a lot of parsing what Ron said. Name one.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Pretty lame that we’re discussing whether or not the Gulf Oil Spill is a Thunder or a Trumpet. This late in the game, less than 5 months to go, and there is NO EVIDENCE of any trumpets.

  • Ryan says:

    Jack635, could you show me where Wayne Matthew and Ron spoke of the last page relating to being not obsolete? I remember Ron saying something about a letter written to the members talking about how the last page will remain, but I didn’t understand why it was decided to be left there, and I wasn’t sure if this letter thing was before the book was published, or after 2008 came and gone. Where did Wayne Matthews speak of this though, because I’d like to find this and hear ?

  • martin says:

    Correction for spiritual deficiencies, yes, the Bible does do that.

    But nowhere in the bible do you see any prophet, making an *official* prophetic announcement, and God having to go back and “correct” that prophet.

    A prophet who has to have his prophecy “corrected” is a FALSE PROPHET.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, I’m putting any more of your comments on hold until you answer my question about specific prophesies coming true. No more nitpicking of other commenter’s comments until you do.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, I want you to tell me of one single prophecy of Weinland’s that came true, when he said it would. No long lists of random disasters. No lame excuses for nothing happening. No parsing of what he might have meant by what he said.

    Also, are you a member of PKG? If not, why not?

  • jack635 says:

    Ryan,
    Wayne said you don’t belong to God if you don’t believe the last page of GFW last time he spoke in December. Ron repeated the same last sermon or the one before. You can find out where exactly in the sermon it is because I’m not listening to that again.

    Ron is a proven FALSE PROPHET, and his book GFW is refuted by a book called the Bible.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Jack, we don’t have to listen to Wayne’s blather. There’s a PDF transcript on the website. On page 9 of the transcript, 6th full paragraph:

    We are now entering a very exciting time and it has to do with the 7th Thunder. The 7th Thunder is the accelerated revelation of God to man. Now, God accelerated His revelation of who He was in 2005 to the Church, and prior to that if you had said to me that I knew God, I was deceived. I thought I knew God but until I understood the sermons of 2005 at the Feast and you read the last chapter of the red book, ‘2008 – God’s Final Witness’; if a person has not read that book and understood and believed what God has revealed there they do not know God. It’s impossible! Because God revealed who He was. He accelerated the revelation of who He was.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I love how Ryan swoops in, tries to spiritually bully Mike (DDTFA), then says he “loves” everyone here and isn’t going to repeat what he said when he can’t defend ANY of his arguments. The classic position of an abuser: “I am hurting you because I love you so much…”

    Ryan said: “Yes he said no President in 2009, which was back during the time that the Church believed that things would be happening from the very beginning, that went based upon faith until God gave His correction, as God’s servants did things wrong all over the Bible and then God would give them correction…”

    The BIBLE says (Deu 18:20-22):“But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet SHALL DIE. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

    Ryan, you are defending a liar who is about to go to court over accusations of tax fraud…

  • martin says:

    Mose was explicit to plagues
    1) exact day plague would come
    2) exact nature of plague
    3) to whom it would fall (and to whom it would not fall) upon
    4) exact location

    Any prophecy of Ronald’s that can be a candidate for fulfillment, should be of a non-ambiguous nature, saying it will rain tomorrow when the sky is thick with dark clouds, does not count.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Wayne emphasizes, on page 10 of the transcript: “If you have not read the 7th chapter of the book, ‘2008 – God’s Final Witness’, you have not come to begin to know God”

    And the 7th chapter includes this prophecy: “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time.”

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    In a comment which is awaiting moderation, Ryan stated:

    Mike, in answering your question, apart from the 7 Thunders which were never detailed enough for your satisfaction in 2008-GFW, and apart from the collapsing economy (which has continued eroding especially in Europe), you could say that no specifically-detailed prophecy has happened, of which he hasn’t really given many.

    The answer to my question he gave is “no specifically-detailed prophecy has happened”. So none of Ron’s prophecies have happened. There’s no reason to fear Ron’s prophesies. Fon is a false prophet. Period. Duet. 18:20-22 fully applies to him.

    The rest of Ryan’s comment held for moderation is more of the same lame excuses, and speculation as to how if you twist things around you can allow the 5 months to happen before the 2nd trumpet. Ryan, I’m going to continue to hold the the rest of your comment in my moderation jail, at least for now. Maybe we’ll look at it again later.

  • Ryan says:

    If you’re waiting until I answer your question to “your” satisfaction then it will never happen because my explanation will never convince you and I’m not trying to convince you anyhow. I addressed your question like you asked, even if you didn’t like the answer, and I’ll even talk more about it.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ryan – Ron said, VERY clearly, that the FIRST timeline was GIVEN by God to Jesus, then Jesus gave it to him. Ronnie went into great, great detail about this, saying that it was his hobby to work out dates etc. But he never got it. He said how truly amazing it was (the first timeline), how perfect it was – that ONLY GOD could give it, and did GIVE it.

    Upon it’s failure however, and a second timeline that was published by another COG (James Malm), and Mike (DDTFA), BEFORE Ronnie revealed it, Ronnie changed his tune to what YOU are saying (first timeline was based on a prior truth that God had to correct).

    Ron said GOD gave the first timeline, then Ron retracted that LIE when it failed.

    On this point ALONE, should tell you to leave – but you won’t, as you believe Ron despite ALL evidence to the contrary (using Ronnies own words).

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, I approved that last comment, because I want to continue the discussion in a different direction. Explain why you don’t reject Ron after all his failures. And no more speculation as to how it might fit or might come to pass. Why do you consider this failed and refailed prophet valid?

    And are you a PKG member? If not, why not? Did Johnny Harrell reject you?

  • martin says:

    Not to dogpile on Ryan, but Ryan, Ronald Weinland made a clear and prophetic and official *thus saith the Lord” announcement regarding the timing of the Tribulation (heretofore mentioned repeatedly as the “first” timeline).

    This timeline, Ronald Weinland has BY HIS OWN MOUTH clearly admitted as WRONG.

    Under what biblical command or instruction or theory, should you continue to follow Ronald, when the biblical command is to cease to do so?

  • Ryan says:

    Kirrily, James Malm might have shown how Trumpets 2008 – Pentecost 2012 was 1,335 Days, but he in no manner had the 40 Weeks from Christmas 2007 – Trumpets 2008, or the 1st Trumpet (derived from the 1,335) – Trumpets 2009, or the 7 Half-A-Times in the Time, Times, & Half-A-Time, or what the 7 Trumpets would be, what the 7 Thunders would be. Ron has even addressed this saying that things might have been presented by others, but it doesn’t mean that they understand what it means and they don’t have the rest of the picture that goes along with it.

    Also, yes, Ron did believe that it was coming from God, but he admitted that he was wrong about the timing. God’s people in the Bible thought many things they spoke were coming from God, but they were corrected on those things, they were wrong and some things didn’t come from God until they were given correction and could then speak the truth from the correction that God showed them.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, so what? So what if it was 40 weeks from Xmas of 2007 to Trumpets of 2008. So what?

    Support your continuing to follow Weinland biblically, in the face of Deut 18:20-22. And answer my questions about your PKG membership.

  • martin says:

    Ryan said “they were wrong and some things didn’t come from God until they were given correction”
    Nowhere in the Bible at all, is any prophecy from a true prophet “corrected”.

    Ryan do you understand the biblical requirements for a “witness”?

    Do you know WHY there are Two Witnesses? and not one?

    Both the OT and NT explain that TWO witnesses (at least two, there can be more) are REQUIRED in cases that merit a death penalty.

    Do you know or understand that a witness TESTIFIES? They give testimony.

    Laura Wienland is a “Silent” Witness. Being a “silent” witnesses invalidates their credentials as being candidates for the Two Witnesses. Since she does not testify to the world court.

    Also, Laura, in absolute clear rejection of the biblical command, has been made head of the church. On authority does Ronald have to over-ride the bible?

  • Ryan says:

    Yes, I’m a CoG-PKG member.

  • Ryan says:

    Mike, you told me to name a specific detailed prophecy, but if there hasn’t yet been one, this means that my comments are approved? I can’t do something that I can’t do.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, I’m talking the moderation hold off your comments. (Future comments) For now anyway. Let’s have a little less nitpicking on other’s comments. Let’s have some more responsiveness to my comments and questions. It seems you ignore my questions, nitpick others comments, and then disappear for months without responding to my questions.

    And please, no more long-winded list of random disasters.

    So you are a PKG member. Seems to me that you were on the fence for awhile. Or maybe you had difficulty getting Johnny to accept you.

    If Ron goes to jail and doesn’t use his Witness Powers to escape, will you continue to be a member?

    When Christ doesn’t return in May, will you continue to be a member?

  • Ryan says:

    Martin, they are giving testimony though, they are giving testimony to God. A witness for cases of death penalty don’t wory in the exact same manner because it’s not the same kind of “case”. A witness is also one whom witnesses something taking place, just as like the angels were witnesses of everything God was creating and doing, they didn’t have to announce this to the other angels cuz they all witnessed it.

    Since when did Ron or the Church make Laura the head ?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, while Laura is not head of the church above Ron, she does rank just below him over the evangelists. Which means that if Ron becomes a guest of Club Fed for a number of months, then she’s in charge.

    I still expect a response to my questions 2 comments back.

  • Ryan says:

    No, I was never really on the fence with this, maybe in the very very beginning but I’ve decided very quickly though, after reading both of those books and listening to some sermons.

    If Ron goes to jail, that doesn’t take away from anything, unless of course he remains there throughout May 2012. If Christ doesn’t return in May, then Mr. Weinland is a false-prophet, that date is solid and cannot ever change.

  • martin says:

    “Ryan, while Laura is not head of the church above Ron, she does rank just below him over the evangelists.”

    Correct……and of course, putting a women over men in the hierarchy of church government is prohibited in the NT.

  • Ryan says:

    My previous comments are still under moderation.

  • martin says:

    “If Ron goes to jail, that doesn’t take away from anything, unless of course he remains there throughout May 2012. If Christ doesn’t return in May, then Mr. Weinland is a false-prophet, that date is solid and cannot ever change.”

    When Ronald Weinland gives an excuse “it is spiritual….the church is not ready…or whatever”, you will accept his it.

    Did you know, at one time, Ronald Weinland made the point that “hurt” in
    Rev 11:5 And if anyone will HURT them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone will hurt them, so it is right for him to be killed.
    Does NOT necessarily mean hurt physically (which is how I took it), but can be morally, socially or physically…I was surprised to see the Greek supports this view.
    Right NOW, Ronald is being morally and socially hurt by the IRS/Judge/Court, why is Ronald Weinland NOT obeying this simple and clear command?
    Slaying them with “fire” (real or figuratively)?

    ps. the “killed” part is not meant to be figurative, it is the same greek word used in the killing of saints who don’t receive the mark.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, I’m going to leave them there. Since unmoderating them now would leave them back in the conversation. Since you’ve responded to my questions, I’m quoting your lengthy comment.

    Ryan said:

    Mike, in answering your question, apart from the 7 Thunders which were never detailed enough for your satisfaction in 2008-GFW, and apart from the collapsing economy (which has continued eroding especially in Europe), you could say that no specifically-detailed prophecy has happened, of which he hasn’t really given many. No President in 2009 was because the Church including Ron had incorrectly believed for such a long time that the great part of the tribulation would begin immediately, and then God corrected this, and so yes, this belief did affect several things he said in passing because the correction had not yet come for something that the Church believed for so long of a time. The bulk of what Ron prophecied will happen in 2012, and it’s my personal belief that the 2nd Trumpet would probably be in March/April 2012, it could happen in May but I think the final 60 days (1 hour with the beast) would be fully within the 5th Trumpet.

    The book of Revelation does not say that all of the 5 months would occur during the timing of the 5th Trumpet, just like the economy was already crashing before the 1st Trumpet sounded in December 2008. Things can happen leading up to the Trumpet. God often inspires a brief outline before going back and giving the details, which means that the 5 months doesn’t haver to be fully after the 5th Trumpet sounds, it could be the events that leads up to the 5th Trumpet and which relates to the 5th Trumpet anyhow because it’s about Europe. So this is why I feel that March/April is about when the 2nd Trumpet would probably be, and it could be that the hour with the beast is the portion during the 5th Trumpet. It says that they are given “authority” for an hour with the beast, so the 5th Trumpet could have alot to do with that time of authority for 60 days, which is when they actually use their power as a 10-nation political union. Remember that the economy was already heading downwards before the 1st Trumpet sounded helped me to see that the 5 months of torment don’t have to be fully within the confines of the 5th Trumpet.

    I personally feel that most of January would begin the 5 months of tormenting, especially with January 7th, 2012 being in early-January, especially if the 5 months began around the beginning of the 7th Day of Jericho. Ron also said in previous sermons that the 5 months of torment is more for God’s people that were cut-off from Him, that they will be tormented and will seek death and shall not find it. I’m thinking of the analogy relating to something that Ron has spoken of, that being of Satan’s great torment for a thousand years of having to witness the very thing being built that he worked for 6,000 years to destroy, God’s Kingdom on this Earth, God’s Sabbath of rest, a real true peace for mankind for the very first time in all of history. The anology would be the torment of those whom used to have God’s Holy Spirit and believed the truth, but who will now have to be tormented witnessing the very thing that they have worked so hard to discredit and mock and ridicule, and when it all finally happens, even though it won’t be during the original timeline, it will still be a torment for them because they will see the demise of the United State, and Europe arising and doing what they doi, and China/Russia/Asia rising and doing what they do, and then Jesus Christ returning on Pentecost 2012. They would be witnessing all of those things that they just knew wouldn’t be happening. Regardless of the original timeline, they still say that it won’t be happening before Pentecost 2012, and they will be tormented by what they’ll be going through having to watch as everything happens, it will be similar to Satan’s torment, eating away at him for a thousand years and not being able to do anything about it.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, you’re really having to streeeeetttttch here to keep following Weinland. I’m glad that you’re going to leave PKG when Christ doesn’t return in May.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan said: “If Ron goes to jail, that doesn’t take away from anything”. So “God’s True Witness” being tried for FRAUD takes nothing away from what Ron says? Wow. You think a criminal and a charlatan is of God? You are so completely ignorant it almost defies imagination.

    RYAN: Jesus Christ is NOT returning on May 27th, 2012. Mike (DDTFA) said it, I say it, and it WILL turn out to be true. That will make Mike (DDTFA) and I better “prophets” than Ron. WHEN Jesus doesn’t return, will you bow down to us, and tithe to us, because we will have spoken more truth than Ron has. On May 27th, Mike (DDTFA) and I will be correct, and you/Ron will be COMPLETELY wrong.

    Will you admit Ron is false and Mike (DDTFA) is correct on May 28th?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Ryan said “If Christ doesn’t return in May, then Mr. Weinland is a false-prophet, that date is solid and cannot ever change.”.

    But Ryan, that’s what Ron said about the first timeline *sigh*.

    Ron went to great length to say how GOD had to give the timing, that he could not have worked it out himself. You said a few comments above that Ron BELIEVED that God gave him the first timeline (but really God didn’t?) – so if he isn’t a liar, he is delusional! Whatever way you look at it, on this one point alone – the first timeline being wrong has 2 explanations – 1 is that he lied, 2 is that Ron didn’t hear from God like he said he did, therefore delusional.

    Ryan, as a PKG member, therefore prohibited from writing on this blog, I can’t help but wonder WHY you are here? What is your intent?

    You have been very polite, and I will return that to you. Yes, you are right that most other PKG followers have not been polite (actually some have displayed absolute hatred towards as poor blind folk).

    I would love to know why you feel the need to write here, your intent – your reasoning.

    Thanks Ryan.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan said: “No President in 2009 was because the Church including Ron had incorrectly believed for such a long time that…”

    You incorrectly believed because RON told you a LIE. RON was the one that prophesied that. Ron told you it was from God.

    If you believed it was true, then GOD taught you something incorrect!!!!!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Yep. The IRS Special Agent who investigated Ron should be under criminal investigation herself.

    The grand jury that indicted Ron should find themselves under indictment.

    The US Attorney who is prosecution Ron should find himself under prosecution.

    Why isn’t any of that happening?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    While Ryan is busy coming up with his “answer”, I’ll venture a guess…

    …because Ronald Weinland is a false prophet, a liar, a sociopathic narcissist, and (allegedly) a tax cheat?

  • Jocko says:

    Ryan, I’m glad to read you’ll consider leaving PKG under certain circumstance but something tells me this will never come to pass. As May 2012 draws closer and closer Mr.Weinland will come up with additional “truths” (What you call correction to the church and what we call bullshit) to buy himself more time so he and the Mrs. can continue living the life of the rich and famous (but without any fame) jet setting around the world ministering to their congregation. Do you honestly believe that millions will come knocking upon PKG’s door within the next few months to be baptized?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Indeed.

    Ryan: You will have to start baptizing at least 11,00 people a day starting NOW in order to baptize ‘millions’ before Christ doesn’t return.

  • martin says:

    That prophets get their prophecies “corrected” is perhaps the most ludicrous thing I’ve ever heard.

    Under that theory how is one to determine if one is a truth prophet vs a false prophet.

    In that case, a false prophet is a true prophet who hasn’t had his mistake corrected yet.

    Here are two good quotes
    1) The only passing grade for a true prophet is 100%.
    2) If God is of order, and Satan is of confusion, then Ronald is clearly running with the Devil.

  • martin says:

    Let’s consider this scenario…

    One is standing before God.

    The person is under condemnation for not following a prophet.

    The person explains, the prophet spoke a prophecy, he claimed and said it under the authority of a prophet of God.
    He explains to God, the prophecy failed, and he obeyed the biblical injunction to reject that prophet.

    God explains “I’m sorry, I hired an incompetent prophet. You didn’t give me time to correct my….I mean his blunder”

    God blushes.

    Then throws the man into the lake of fire for not following His prophet.

    Ryan….do you believe this is a realistic scenario?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is a little tune for you Ron, speaking of “Running with the Devil”…long live rock n’ roll…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUYznEIkkJI&feature=fvst

  • Jocko says:

    Ryan said “They will see the demise of the United States, and Europe arising and doing what they do, and China/Asia/Russia rising and doing what they do”. Elsewhere on this blog Avalo has given “correction” to the fact that Asia is a continent, and not a country so we won’t address this here. What I would like to know is what are these countries going to do, and who, where and when are they going to do it. Thanking you in advance for your help Ryan.

  • Atrocious says:

    Methinks that Ryan is no longer commenting. Our questions are pointed and hard to dodge and I would think the more he tries to answer them, the more ludicrous he sounds…even to himself. I really do hope that this discussion will help Ryan to realize just how much Ron has conned his people. And, I also hope that when May 27th comes and goes, that he will leave pkg as he said he would and seek help to recover from the pain and suffering he has experienced at the hands (and mouth) of a psychopath.

  • Ryan says:

    Martin, you might think that I would accept it, but I wouldn’t though. I would still believe in God’s 7th-Day Sabbath, the Holy Days, and tithing because Scripture unequivocally proves those things, but it wouldn’t be with the Church Of God – PKG though. Also, you said that hurt in Revelation 11 doesn’t necessarily mean physically, but it doesn’t mean that it has to be the others either. The government trying to convict Mr. Weinland isn’t necessarily the kind of hurt that this passage is referring to. The fire out of their mouths was never physical, it’s about the power (fire) of their words (mouth), the words they speak will devour their enemies and bring them down to nothing, just like it will do for traditional christianity, they will have nothing left to stand on.

  • jack635 says:

    If Christ doesn’t return in May, then Mr. Weinland is a false-prophet, that date is solid and cannot ever change.

    Ryan, I’m very happy to know you feel that way. I just hope you don’t give Ron almost all of your assets in May.

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, no being tried for fraud does not take anything away, because since when does somebody being tried automatically make them guilty? Don’t you believe in your American values of innocent until proven guilty? Do you know how many people get put to death when they were 100% innocent? By the way, didn’t Paul murder somebody, wouldn’t this make Paul a criminal and not of God? Not that I’m saying that Ron would be of God if he was guilty of this, but being tried in and of itself doesn’t make somebody guilty.

    No, I will not be bowing down to Mike because even if Ron is false, I still think that Mike is wrong about many things of doctrine and he can’t be of God and be mocking the way people speak. If you guys were in the times of Moses, you probably would have made fun of his speech impediment. It doesn’t even matter if Ron was false, would that make it right to do what Christ wouldn’t do ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan said: “It doesn’t even matter if Ron was false, would that make it right to do what Christ wouldn’t do?”

    1. It DOES matter if Ron is wrong, as he would be leading people astray AWAY from Christ, which is anti-Christ.

    2. I am not American.

    3. I am not Christian. Your Bible doesn’t apply to me.

    4. I am an atheist who thinks that the words of Jesus in many places are very wise, even if he isn’t the Messiah. Ron is spiritually and factually wrong about the Bible in so many ways.

    5. I didn’t say he was guilty, I said “allegedly”. learn to read.

    6. Moses, Paul, Peter, Jesus, Lot. Noah, King david, Solomon, Jeremiah, Daniel, and others were never accused of fraud. Why would they even imagine Ron was guilty of fraud if they didn’t have evidence?

    Here are my “prophecies” which WILL come true. Ron WILL be found guilty, fined or jailed for fraud in some manner, and Jesus will NOT return May 27th, 2012.

    Then ask yourself, “How does an atheist make correct prophecies while the Witness of God doesn’t?”

  • Ryan says:

    Kirrily, Ron gave his first time-line, but he wasn’t saying that this date is never ever changing, he had reasoning to believe that Trumpets 2011 was the returning of Jesus Christ, specifically because the Church had long believed that it would be on Trumpets. Even if there was never an example in the Bible of “official prophecy” being corrected, this doesn’t mean that it couldn’t happen now because this is the end-time and things are different in the end-time, this has alot to do with faith, and God allowed Ron to interpret certain prophecies, namely the timing of things, inaccurately because it was not time for the revelation of things to be given, so He allowed for those timing flaws to be given, which also showed that he was remaining faithfull to what the Church believed until otherwise given correction. But Peter and Paul sounding very strongly that God’s Kingdom would be coming during their life-times only to learn later in life that this wasn’t gonna be the casem that it wasn’t for their time, why didn’t this make them false prophets? Why weren’t the ones considered false whom were telling that Jesus Christ was coming into Jerusalem to free them from theire oppressive Roman government and become their King right then and there? They weren’t false prophets because God allows for people to make mistakes in timing (both of those were timing issues also) if it’s not yet ready to be given. Ezekiel was writing the prophecies about Israel being taken into captivity WHILE they were already being taken into captivity, and did God label Ezekiel as a false prophet? Or is it because none of the Old Testament applies to anything now like most of traditional christianity preaches ?

    I never said that most followers have not been polite, I just said that I can’t speak for the others (because I haven’t read every individual blog threading).

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, Ron didn’t say that the no President thing was from God.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    That’s my point Ryan – Ron said that GOD GAVE the first timeline – he said this specifically in 2007, numerous times. Wayne used to marvel at this.

    So Ron LIED.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan said: “The fire out of their mouths was never physical, it’s about the power (fire) of their words (mouth), the words they speak will devour their enemies and bring them down to nothing, just like it will do for traditional christianity, they will have nothing left to stand on.”

    LOL!! You are going to eat those words so HARD on May 27th, and in the following months when NOTHING Ron says comes to pass.

    I DARE YOU to come back here on May 28th, and tell us just exactly how Ron will change the meaning of May 27th into a spiritual thing. You know he is going to, and you know he will NOT admit he is insane and a false prophet like he said back before the end of 2008.

    No amount of denial is going to make you right Ryan. WE here are factually correct about Ronald Weinland. Ron is fake and you are still too much of a narcissist and a coward to admit you are TOTALLY wrong…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ronald Weinland said in his book: “By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer exist as an independent nation within six months after that time.”

    Deu 18:20-22.

    “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet SHALL DIE. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

  • martin says:

    Ryan….

    What is your criteria for whether a prophet is a true prophet or a false prophet?

    How do you determine if a man who claims to be a prophet, prophesies a prophecy, claiming it comes from God, and made with the authority of God…..whether he is true or false?

  • jack635 says:

    Ron also wrote in his book that the validity of who he is will be proven by the things written in his book coming to pass exactly as they have been written. No matter what excuse he came up with to twist that around, he wrote that everything he has written will come to pass exactly how it is written, that would be the proof of who he is.

  • Ryan says:

    Jocko, yes I do believe that millions will, at least by the very end, the more and more events happening, the 2nd Trumpet, 3rd Trumpet, even more with the 5th & 6th Trumpets, and the Thunders really intensifying even more than they were in 2011, and the Church phase of the 5th Thunder, will be a powerfull one because it involves death throughout the environs of God’s scattered Church.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    RYAN:

    What are you going to do when Jesus doesn’t return like Ron said it ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT WILL IT’S GOD’S WILL…?

    RSVP

  • Ryan says:

    Martin, most of Ron’s prophecies aren’t even brand-new prophecies, they are more inspired interpretation of already-given prophecies in Daniel and Revelstion and other books. If it’s not yet God’s timing to reveal certain things of prophetic timing, then all Ron would be able to go by is the “present truth” in God’s Church (like is spoken of in 2nd Peter 1) until otherwise given correction by God. It’s more about faith, if God hasn’t given correction for certain Church doctrine, and Ron interprets prophecy using the present truth in God’s Church, God wouldn’t expect any less until the correction was given. Just like Ron said, Mr. Armstrong and God’s Church were keeping Pentecost on the wrong day until 1974, “and God honoured it”. He didn’t honour it because they were keeping something that wasn’t the truth, but simply because they couldn’t be judged based upon what God hadn’t yet given for them to see. Just like those of the World, they aren’t even being judged right now because they CAN’T know, they aren’t even ABLE to know without God’s Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ would say forgive them Lord they don’t know what they’re doing.

  • Ryan says:

    Jocko, it’s definitely going to be China and Russia, and some other nations of Asia, and I know that Asian is a contient, I typically say Asian power so that it doesn’t sound like it’s the entirety of their Asian contient. We aren’t gonna go exactly when, it’s not even for God’s people to know precisely the timing for those Trumpets, Ron thought he had a good idea of when because he thought they would be happening close to the beginning. We know that they’re gonna be destroying a third of all mankind, a third of all the Earth, with nuclear weapons of mass destruction. We don’t have to know that China will be destroying it’s first nation on such and such a date at such and such a time, the timing for those Trumpets will be revealed when they happen.

  • Ryan says:

    Atrocious, contrary to popular belief, I do have other things to do, I don’t just sit around here all day responding to everything and everybody on here, I had to go and eat some dinner, watch some TV, etc. It’s not like this blog stuff is a huge priority for me.

    Might I ask you what you would do if the things that Ron are saying will happen by Pentecost 2012 do indeed happen? If Jesus Christ does indeed return on Pentecost 2012, will you do as Mike is wanting to do and actually welcome the lake of fire and desire to be cast on into it? Or would you genuinely seek understanding from God as to how Ron is a true prophet of God, and try to gain understanding of the whys of things? Which would you do if these things do indeed happen? Would you not even try to seek God’s understanding so that you might come to understand as well ?

  • martin says:

    I am not talking about doctrine, or coming into the truth.

    A man (not Ronald Weinland) stands up, utters a prophecy he claims comes from God. He gives exact location, date, people, plague etc…he is exact in details

    The prophecy comes to pass.

    What is your determination: Is the man a true prophet or a false prophet?

  • Ryan says:

    Jack635, No not gonna be giving my assetts to Ron, the Trumpets will be doing this for us anyhow, there won’t be much left to give.

  • Atrocious says:

    Ryan, I do not believe as you believe. I do not let a man dictate to me what the bible says and I don’t believe any man knows when “Christ will return”. I do not believe that Ron is the leader of the “one true church”. I do believe that you have been deluded and deceived. My Salvation does not depend on whether I believe Ron Weinland or not. You, obviously, believe that anyone who doesn’t believe Ron Weinland is going to be in the lake of fire, and that is sad. It just goes to show how much power he has over you, and you let him. No man has the authority to judge you like that. You are ruled by fear and fear is not of God.

    My time could come at any time. I could die tonight. I have no fear of death or of the afterlife. I’m so sorry you are so entrenched in this cult, and yes, it is a cult. I hope after May 27th you will come to your senses.

  • jack635 says:

    there won’t be much left to give.

    I can’t argue with that “truth”.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    RYAN:

    What are you going to do when Jesus doesn’t return like Ron said it ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT WILL IT’S GOD’S WILL…?

    RSVP

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan said “Avalokiteshvara, no being tried for fraud does not take anything away”

    Is Ron free to move around the world? With his passport taken away? Is he going to buy a ticket to travel to Australia for Passover as he planned? With the trial starting just before then, if he gets convicted then that ticket goes to waste. He’d better pay extra to get refundable tickets.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    RYAN:

    What are you going to do when Jesus doesn’t return EXACTLY as Ron said it would this time, for sure, no doubts?

    Please answer my question…

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, obviously it matters is Ron is wrong since he would be leading people astraw, I was simply saying that it doesn’t matter if he is false because we are still to not make fun of somebody, and I don’t mean, but the ones on here that are indeed christian and mock things like his speech and other things, calling him names, how do they feel they have the right to do that when Jesus Christ said otherwise, even if Ron was false, that doesn’t take away from OUR part of how we’re treating others, we are to love even our enemies, not be enabling of them, but still loving them nonetheless though.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan may have gone to bed. Earlier in this thread he said: “If Christ doesn’t return in May, then Mr. Weinland is a false-prophet, that date is solid and cannot ever change.” and later on “I would still believe in God’s 7th-Day Sabbath, the Holy Days, and tithing because Scripture unequivocally proves those things, but it wouldn’t be with the Church Of God – PKG though”

    From that I take it he’ll look for another Armstrongite false prophet to follow. I still think it more probable that he’ll buy whatever lame excuse Ron comes up with to follow him into the next timeline or whatever.

  • Ryan says:

    Kirrily, yes Ron believed that God gave Him the original timeline, but he couldn’t have known that this wasn’t from God until He gave the 50th truth, God wouldn’t have expected anything less without the full revelation, God would expect for him to use what God’s Church believed along with 2008 being God’s Final Witness and giving the timeline based upon that, God honored that just like He honored His Church keeping Pentecost on a Monday until 1974, because He knew that they wouldn’t be able to see it and accept it until it was time for Him to reveal those things, it’s the same for interpreting prophecy, you can try all you want but until God reveals something then it just can’t be fully seen and understood.

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, or anybody else, did you hear in one of the sermons when Ron directly addrressed Deuteronomy 18:20-22 ?

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, I already mentioned in this very thread what I would do if Christ doesn’t return on Pentecost 2012.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ryan, when it comes to mocking Ron, we’re just following the biblical example of Elijah.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I heard him address Deut 18:20-22. He twisted that scripture. That scripture says that if you prophesy falsely, you have spoken presumptuously. Ron twisted it, claiming he didn’t speak presumptuously (although he had) so therefore he wasn’t a false prophet (even though he is). How utterly lame.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Ryan ask: “Would you not even try to seek God’s understanding so that you might come to understand as well ?” Ryan if Ron wants everyone to accept God, then why does Ron turn those away who are seeking God. Don’t say this is not true because I was in the cult and this is FACT. From your Evil master Ron. He took it upon himself to say this man is not ready to recieve God or be in Gods church, and wouldn’t let anyone in the church near him.. This man is the most loving man, kind, a man of great intregrity, greatest husband and father. I could go on and on. I know this man. I have been married to him for 40 years. And Ron takes it upon himself to judge who is welcome to learn about God and who isn’t. You don’t know your bible at all. You just know what Ron has put in your brain to think. The problem Ron knew my husband wouldn’t be a puppet that Ron could pull his strings. Ron knew my husband was just to smart for him.
    He didn’t even know my husband. I pondered awhile while I was in about Rons word. They got more and more ridiculous. BUT when he judges whether or not a person is allowed to accept God then I knew he was completely without a shadow of a doubt NOT a man of God. Ron is a coward small man, who likes his ego trips to make him feel important and big.
    You say you love everyone Ryan. That also I do not believe. You know only Ron’s cult is allowed to have agape love. But not for the outside of his church. He is a hell and damn, gloomy preacher who likes power.
    You lie Ryan. I have seen and know many PKGers like you when I was in. They are just followers and don’t know what to do if Ron can’t think for them. It is just sad to me, that they let Ron do that to them. Just like you.
    It makes me so sick when people like you compare Ron to God.. He delievers satans beliefs.. I must add, Ron wants you to put him and his church first before family. God wants to be first but he wants our family together and doesn’t want to come between us.

  • Ryan says:

    Atrocious, you said you don’t let a man dictate to you what the Bible says, does this mean even somebody whom is not related to Mr. Armstrong? You would really try understanding the Bible without any man inspiring the interpretation of it? You know from the Bible that God works through HIs apostles and prophets whom form the foundation of God’s Church, but yet you’re willing to say that you can come to the truth all on your own without any help from God-inspired men.

    You’re right, I don’t have the authority to judge that, but God will though. They’re at least not condemned to the lake of fire before the Millenium, most will be during the Great White Throne.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Thing is, Ron doesn’t understand the bible either. He just makes it up as he goes along, twisting and distorting like he did with Deut 18:20-22. And occasionally pulls out Strongs Concordance for coming up with signs and lying wonders, such as his 280-day “time”.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan:

    Thank you for answering my question. As much as I HIGHLY disagree with you…at least you are willing to come here and discuss it with us. I will give you credit for that. And even though you and I especially are at opposite ends of the belief spectrum, I sincerely encourage you to keep coming here and engaging with us in debate, etc. Getting an actual PKG members perspective on Ronald Weinland’s teachings will be educational for us, and I hope that you find what we say useful or informative, even if you don’t believe it.

    I called you a coward. I take that back, because I was wrong about you. Please accept my apology. You certainly are not a coward, and I hope to see back here often…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Unless the elders know who Ryan is, then disfellowship him for being disobedient and posting on this demon blog.

    Ryan, i must be explaining myself properly, but how else do I say:-

    Ron said God GAVE him the first timeline.

    So from what you are telling us, God GAVE Ron the wrong first timeline, then revealed the second (correct) timeline to James Malm and Mike BEFORE revealing (because Ronnie said the timing could NOT be worked out, but had to be GIVEN by God) it to His most formidable prophet of all time?

    Of course, Ron changed the timing from ‘having to only be given by God’ to ‘it’s not rocket science’ upon the failure of the first timeline.

    Don’t forget Ryan, GFW was written for the purpose to remove confusion, that God was revealing Himself to the WORLD (not the church). God was going to do this by ensuring Rons prophecies (of which the timing was to validate their truth), coming pass EXACTLY as Ron prophesied. FAIL.

    I don’t care one little bit about mocking Ron – he represents a non God, a God who will not answer his own prophets petition to prove he is, in fact, Gods Final Witness.

    The only thing Ron can achieve is a tsunami in the bathtub created by expulsion of excess gas.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    And when it comes to our mocking False Prophet Ronald Weinland, that pales next to the penalties in the bible for falsely prophesying and reinterpreting the book of Revelation.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    May 27th, folks…sweet May 27th will be a great day for us here at Mike’s blog, as Ron gives yet another excuse for the non-return of Christ…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And let us not forget that Ron and his fools will have to baptize over 13,300 people a day starting on January 1st, 2012 to make even the two million mark.

    Ryan: How are you going to baptize 13,000 people a day as a Church? Where are you going to do this? Who is going to keep track of all this and organize it? If your church has five hundred members, for example, then you each have to baptize at LEAST 26 people a day for the next five months. You’ll have to quit your job. Who is going to pay your rent, or buy your food?
    You’ll have to baptize two people an hour for twelve hours a day to make your quota. When are you going to have time to change the water in your basement tank, as the body has to be fully submerged (a tub won;t cut it for the tall folks)? And these are all conservative estimates…

    Your theology is ridiculous, and you are a spiritual failure if you think your imaginary god approves of this nonsense you call Truth…

  • Ryan says:

    Mike, it doesn’t necessarily have to be a prophet related to Armstrong, it doesn’t have to be of Armstrongism at all, even though I would still believe that he was God’s Apostle and the sign of Mr Tkach’s death would still be a powerfull one. But whatever group it is would have to be keeping the Sabbath and the Holy Days.

    But I’m right here, you don’t need to be telling me what I’m thinking, I know what I will do if Pentecost 2012 doesn’t happen, and I’ve expressed it, it’s not changing. If I hadn’t heard the 2nd half of the Last Great Day sermon then I might have already been gone and away from there.

  • Ryan says:

    Elijah was mocking of their beliefs, but I’m speaking of mocking somebody’s speech pronunciation or impediment, something that they can’t help, a personality thing, not a belief or faith thing. I mean, it does absolutely nothing to mock how somebody pronounces certain words, you think that God is giving you extra browny points by doing this ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan:

    How are the PKG going to baptize 13,00 people a day from now until May 27th?

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I mock Ron and his wench because they have prophesied, and nothing came to pass. It’s a far cry from what the Bible says is in store for them. I would rather be a mocker of a tosser, than one who calls God a liar – as Ron does.

  • Ryan says:

    Mike, that isn’t even how he addressed Deuteronomy 18:20-22

  • Ryan says:

    Helen, it might help me understand if I ask you, was your husband keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days and willing to tithe? Those are things of God, perpetual covenants (at least perpetual for the Sabbaths anyhow). Is there something along those lines that your husband wasn’t believing in? Just because your husband is a loving person of integrity doesn’t mean that he is ready to know God. Doesn’t God work through His ministry, if somebody isn’t ready that God would reveal this through His ministry? God’s Church is not like the World whereby you can come and attend no matter what you’re doing, that’s not how God’s Church works, we are NOT to come as we are, we must already be repenting.

    You said that Ron is a hell and damnation preacher, which is intriguing seeing as how he doesn’t believe that Hell is what most other christians believe it is

    I do love everybody, I might not agree with people on here, but why should that stop me from loving them? If you are indeed Christian, then what would stop you from loving me even if I’m believing falsely? Don’t you believe in loving as Christ said, or do you pick-and-choose and only love those whom YOU think that you should love ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan:

    How are the PKG going to baptize 13,00 people a day from now until May 27th when the Asiatic hordes are overrunning the world on their way to Megiddo?

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, I most definitely accept your apology, and I appreciate your kind words to me. This is my philosophy that I’ve believed in since I was a kid, that people can disagree with each other but yet still be cordial with each other, maybe even friends. This would severely limit potential friendships if all of us only are with people whom 100% agree with everything, you know ?

    Not many are willing to talk about what prophecies have not come to pass, or naming one that has, I believe that many have, but there haven’t been specific detailed ones like date/time, location, event, etc., and not many CoG-PKGers are willing to come out and admit this, I don’t feel it takes away from it as long as they happen before Pentecost 2012, and I now that Ron said in his book that we would know by the things happening just as is written in this book, but he obviously didn’t know that there were things that had to be corrected in his interpretation of existing prophecy, largely stemming from the belief of Jesus Christ returning on Trumpets. That was the change between timelines, and if it happens once yet again, then that’s it, Ron would be a false-prophet, hands-down. Like I said, I still believe in the Sabbath and the Holy Days and tithing and those things of Scripture that are easily provable through Scripture, but it wouldn’t be Mr. Weinland, and I would already rule out many of the scattereed Church groups.

    I just wish more of the people on this blog would think as you do, and be respectfull as you are. I also liked xHWA wherever he is now-a-days.

  • Ryan says:

    Kirrily, no I’m not saying that God gave Ron the wrong first timeline, the first timeline didn’t come from God, but Ron believed that it did come from God because of the Church’s belief that Christ returns on Trumpets, that was why he gave the original timeline, and why the timeline had to be shifted once the revelation came of Christ returning on Pentecost. Don’t forget how Ron would speak of something on the order of 6 – 9 months wasn’t made clear in the timing of things, and that this would be addressed at some point later on, and the 50th Truth did indeed shift the timing within 6 – 9 months, so he did warn that something might not be right within 6 – 9 months, so we have to give credit for this portion, the change to the 2nd timeline (and ultimately many of the things that were stated BECAUSE of the 1st timeline) was warned about before-hand.

    But no, I don’t believe that God gave Ron the wrong 1st timeline, Ron just mistakenly thought that it had come from God, but it really came from His believe through faith in the doctrine that Christ would be returning on Trumpets, should we expect anything more from him that to stick with the present-truth in God’s Church until otherwise corrected to what is right and true? I would have given the same prediction if the Church had long believed as truth that Christ was returning on Trumpets, and also the title of the book being inspired, I would have formed the timeline from those things, but it turned out to be incorrect when God then revealed that Christ would be returning on Pentecost, of course this had to change things because now a long-held belief was being corrected to what was true, because Ron gave his timeline based upon that present-truth, and then when that changed, much else had to change because everything else was based upon that 1st timeline.

    As far as mocking Ron, would you think that Christ would have made fun of the speech of others, is that something he would have felt the right to do if they were false-prophets ?

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, there’s not necessarily gonna be 10 million baptized members by Pentecost 2012, but they will be the ones whom survive what is coming though, and they can be baptized during the Millenium, doesn’t have to occur during this great tribulation, but they will be drawn and called by God to live on into the new age.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well, you still haven;t answered my question, as obviously you can’t. BUT…let me say this instead of reacting…

    I am an atheist and don;t care what the Bible says regarding my “soul”. But since you are a believer, you are obviously trying to do what (you think) God wants. You give me the impression that you are defending Ron because you want to believe what he says and are willing to have a little faith in him, or give him a chance to prove his veracity as a Prophet or a Witness. I am OK with that, and I hope that is the spirit in which you are being patient with Ron’s timelines, etc. So let me put it this way:

    YOU, Ryan, have a lot to lose by putting your faith in Ronald Weinland, who has altered what you believe to be the Word of God. You stand to lose BIG TIME for supporting a false prophet. By Biblical standards I am lost, outside of God’s plan. But you, as a believer, are still seeking and believing. I have nothing to lose by not believing Ron. You Ryan have EVERYTHING to lose by following Ron, by following a blasphemer. When Jesus doesn’t return on may 27th, 2012…do yourself a favor and run like crazy from Ronald Weinland. If you don;t, your lost salvation is on YOUR head, as you have been warned about Ron by Mike, Kirrily, Chacha, xHWA and others.

    Please don;t take this as a smug “I told you so” when I turn out to be correct. Think of me as your atheist older brother who is trying to save you…not hate you. God may exist, and you may be right about jesus actually being the Christ. But you are playing with you very salvation if you stay with Ronald Weinland after May 27th. Be a Lutheran, a Baptist, join Rod Meredth’s group, or whatever. But after May 27th, you will have no excuse before God concerning your devotion to Ronald Weinland the False Prophet…

    Save yourself before you throw your salvation in the toilet…

  • Ryan says:

    Kirrily, you said you would rather be a mocker of a tosser than the other, but why do you have to be either one though? Jesus Christ wouldn’t have done this kind of mocking, and we are to love even our enemies, so why do you feel you have the right and entitlement that Jesus Christ never said that you have and basically said that you don’t have ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Oh and Ryan, : Kirrily and I are both atheists. What Jesus would have done means NOTHING to us.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    …And Kirrily is about to do something absolutely amazing…give birth to a boy who will be born free of an inherited religion. He will be born into a life where he will be the one to make his choices when he is ready, and not have to suffer the evil of being raised to believe in the imaginary god of Abraham. Kirrily’s boy will be 100% pure, unadulterated human, with dignity and freedom of choice. A ‘free-range’ child who will never have to throw off his inheritance in order to live life to the fullest from the start.

    F**k Yahweh…Kirrily is MY god…

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, you mean that you wouldn’t even be teaching him your Atheism, that there is no god and to not believe in the “garbage” of so-called religion? Even Atheism is religion because it’s based upon beliefs of rejecting there beign a god and everything else, if you haved beliefs, then you have religion.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    OMGOSH Ryan.. I kept thinking I knew you. Racking my brains out here, and then it dawned on me. About 7 (give or take) years ago you started a blog (mainly on teaching of Armstrong and Ron). So young then and yet same things you are writing now are in the same manner of what you were writiing back then. I know you believe everything you say. You were taught at a young age. BTW your mother is a fine lady. And her yes, I believe loves everyone. I wish I could believe you would leave Ron when May 27th doesn’t happen. But I have my doubts. Will you please let us know if you leave. And please use your mind and own thinking when learning the Bible and it will prove to you Ron is wrong. Work on getting the hate teaching of Ron and all his false prohesies out of your mind.
    One day you will open your eyes and mind and see what Mike is writing is true and with proof. Right now you just can’t see it. You dont want to believe you have been deceived by Ron. I understand that.

    I do not apologize for anything I write on here. Only to my friends on this blog who I may have offended without realizing it.
    Outside of that, I don’t feel I need to opologize for what I say when people come on here defending Ron, who makes a mockery out of my God by using God for his own gain and profit. Also leading people to the devil himself.
    And if what Ron’s says is true, then I will be raptured before it all starts! So friends, I will save a good place for ya all up there.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ryan:

    “Atheism” is NOT rejecting God, it is not believing the evidence for God. God is a possibility. I reject the proofs that you, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, and whatever else presented. “Atheism” is not the correct term, but it is used in common parlance, so it is the only way people understand what I am in one succinct word.

    And I don’t know why you think I would be teaching him “my” atheism. Kirrily is not my wife, and we live thousands of miles apart. I am married to an extremely good looking Vietnamese woman who I lived with for decades before our two daughters asked us to getting married (basically so they could dress up and go to Viet Nam to have cake and get presents)!! And NO, I haven’t taught them my “atheism” because there is nothing to teach.

    Ryan you said: “If you haved beliefs, then you have religion.” Not true. I believe RUSH is the greatest rock and roll band ever, but I don’t think drummer Neil Peart plays for my spiritual betterment!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen:

    If the Bible turns out to be true and you are indeed Raptured, I will be overjoyed for you. You are a nice person, I can’t think of anyone I would rather see receive God’s salvation, flying through the clouds.

    I would yell up into the sky “Miłego lotu!” 🙂

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Thats right Ryan – I dont give two hoots about Rons Jesus, or any other Jesus I have ever heard of.

    When have I ever teased the way he speaks?

    You still don’t get it, I’m done trying to explain it to you (first timeline). You can’t say something is from God (as Gods Final Witness), tell followers you did NOT come up with it by yourself, then change it.

    Funny you mention the 6 months – funny how that too, initially was to be transposed onto the second timeline, then when 6 months elapsed into the second timeline, that too changed.

    What hasnt changed Ryan? That might be a shorter answer!

    Again I will ask you, why are you posting here when you are not allowed?

    I think you are one of th nicest PKG apologists who have ever written here. Along with Mal and Weinland Observer ages ago, the rest though have been truly sickly hateful people.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    I, like Ava, reject ALL versions of God and Jesus I have ever researched. If it turns out there is a God, and He/Her/It FINALLY wants to reveal themselves without all this confusion, I’ll listen. Until then, I will not waste another moment of my life searching for a truth that will not be revealed.

    I certainly will not poison my sons mind with religious garbage. If he asks me ‘Mummy, is there a God?’, I will reply ‘I don’t know’.

    You know Ryan, what I liked about Ron at the start, was how he stated all the confusion in the world when it came to God and his ways/laws. Well NOW was the time for that confusion to be removed, Ron said. NOW was the time God would reveal Himself to the world. THAT is what I looked forward to.

    On the day I left, I believed ALL Ronnies truths except those that related to him being who he said he was. But, NO lie can be of the truth.

    As for all the hundreds of splinters out there, the ‘Protestant daughters’, one could argue the COG (Armstrongism) is the whore.

  • Ryan says:

    Helen, I’ve never heard of Mr.Weinland nor Mr. Armstrong before 2008/2009, so that couldn’t have been me you’re thinking of, and you most definitely never met my mother.

    You were saying that if what Ron says is true that you will be raptured away before it starts, but you do know that Ron rejects the rapture doctrine, right ?

  • Ryan says:

    Avalokiteshvara, you knew what I meant, lol, I was meaning spiritual beliefs, or beliefs related to spirituality.

  • Ryan says:

    I did want to write something anew on here, just something to think about, and this is mainly directed towards christians. Have you ever wondered why it is that so many would reject God and His prophets in the last days, why a third and more of all mankind would have to die in the great tribulation? Was it meant to be incredible easy to follow His prophets in the last days? How do you feel it’s actually gonna happen? Is there gonna be the 2 Witnesses that prophecy precise dates/times, locations of each and every events that occurs, so that when they happen there would be hoardes upon hoards flowing in to follow those prophets? We already know that most will still continue rejecting God, they won’t repent, and so they will have to die, most would agree with this. But if it happened with precise dates/times, locations for every event, then there wouldn’t really be much belief through faith going on, people would just be flocking to them from all over the place, and this isn’t what was intended for these last days, because we are to be tried and tested in the faith, which I believe is another reason why God withholds revelation until His choosing, when it’s best for us to learn from, plus those 4 reasons listed on the Church’s web-site. God wanted to show what God’s prophet would do with the beliefs that were present-truth in His Church at the time, showing that he would indeed keep the faith in what the Church had, which is what he did even though the Church’s belief had to be corrected, and so it was, I don’t think this was meant to be easy. Do we really think that God’s 2 Witnesses will be prophesying dates/times, locations for every event and then when they happen the majority of people will be flocking to follow them? The Bible refutes that it would be happening like this. The way things are given (or withheld until in God’s own timing) are partially designed to try and test the faith of God’s people and of God’s prophets, and it’s being done in a unique manner in these “last days”, also revealing the timing in God’s own time due to those 4 reasons listed. Is it not possible that God could be working in this manner? How would you envision the end-time going, will it be like a third of all mankind flocking to whover God’s prophets are because they gave dates/times, locations for every event and not really based much on faith at all? I don’t believe that God wants things to be that way because it wouldn’t show much about faith, it would be ALL because of the prophecies coming to pass and nothing else, that’s not how it should be.

    The other scenario would be that people would reject God’s prophets even if they gave dates/times because they will be stubbornly holding onto the Scripture that no man knows the day or the hour, no matter what happens with the timing the prophets might be giving. Don’t be so sure that so many more would just come flocking to God’s Church if His prophets gave specific locations and dates/times for everything, because they would still somehow find fault with how things were done, mankind always finds fault, and always thinks that their own ways are right and others are wrong and nothing in this World ever changes. Do any of you actually desire for this World to continue on as it is, as long as America gets to keep it’s precious freedom and then to hell with everything else, allowing 1 billion human-beings to be starving to death when there are hundreds of trillions in actual wealth in this World ?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Slow down Ryan. I am neither Christian nor American.

    Stop with the politicking and the sermonizing.

    This is site is dedicated to exposing Ron, not listening to his fake theology repeated back at us by one of his idiot followers…(yes…you)…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Helen, I believe that Ryan is another name for Aaron, who took over “The Weinland Witness” blog for a time after the original blogger declared Ron a false prophet in 2009. Then he went on to run his own blog for a few months in 2010.

    Ryan, your last comment is on the overly wordy and preachy side. Let me respond in a much more succinct manner:
    If God wants to send a prophet, he will not send one whose every prophecy is a failure. That’s why I would prefer the Lake of Fire over Ron’s God, who would make me guess and jump through invisible hoops and guess at his meaning. If you want me to believe in _your_ God, then he will send me a clear, unambiguous sign.

    Ryan, I hope you will indeed reject Ron by the time Christ doesn’t return. Please understand my skepticism that you will do that, given that you’re following Ron despite one wholesale timeline change, despite the compression of his second timeline, despite the lack of any fulfilled prophecy.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Helen, I believe you may be thinking of Tony Wilson who has his HWA Compendium website that’s also a tribute site for Ron. I don’t think that Ryan is Tony.

  • Matt says:

    Wait a moment Ryan – so we are now working on the premise that the original prophesy was a mistake, and God corrected that mistake? I am going to assume you do not mean that God deceived Ron, or changed His mind, as that would be more than a little blasphemous and you say that you are a Christian.

    But was the original prophesy not treated as God-given as well? And if Ron was wrong about the first prophesy having been given by God, on what basis are we to assume that he is right this time?

    It seems to me that given the information that we have, a much more likely explanation is that he simply is not a prophet.

  • What ever happened to science and logic?

    We’ve already performed the experiments as prescribed by Scripture: If a prophet makes a prediction and it does not come to pass, he is a false prophet. FP rotten has made a prediction (actually, a lot of predictions) and it (they) have not come to pass. He is a false prophet. By Old Testament decree, he is to be put to death. By Jesus’ decree, we are to beware (be wary) of him, for he is a ravening wolf in sheep’s clothing (wool suits). I guess we could put him “to death” by not giving him any money and let him starve to death. Better though, is the prospect that he be convicted of the felonies of which he has been indicted and be shived in prison. It would accomplish the strictures of Scripture in an indirect way. Justice, you know (not as blind as she used to be, what with alert IRS Agents and all spending long days going through absolutely every financial transaction — nothing like very motivated government agents to dredge up the facts).

    Jesus mocked the Pharisees. Sorry. That’s just the way it is. At minimum, he called them “whitened sepuchers full of dead men’s bones” and it sort of went downhill from there. Following Jesus’ example, the Apostle Paul did some mocking on his own. And speaking of the Apostle Paul, there’s record of him “cursing” a false prophet, making that false prophet blind for a season. I believe that was happening to the false prophet, Roderick Meredith in the 1970s before he had laser surgery, and certainly was true of Herbert Armstrong as he went blind before his death and had to have Aaron Dean read to him at bedside. FP Ronald Weinland better get his eyes checked. Moses, you know, had really good eyesight up to the age of 120 — and he had an eye for the ladies (or so Scripture indicates).

    Doesn’t FP rotten wear glasses (like most of us do). Deterioration can come quickly. Sort of like False Prophet Roderick Meredith not able to read the teleprompter any more and rely on his failing memory because of diabetes.

    [And by the way, how is it that FP rotten thinks he’s better than FP Roderick Meredith? Meredith’s is bigger! I mean his Living Church of God is bigger. Can’t argue with success amongst false prophets, and Roderick Meredith is a lot more successful that FP rotten — and besides, he’s not under criminal indictment yet! People like Ryan would like to ignore Robert Thiel’s blog where even HE is mocking FP rotten! Ha! Ha! Ha! These things are not occuring in a vaccuum! FP rotten isn’t even up to the standards of FP Flurry! No contest! Ambassador University! Ambassador Auditorium! What does FP rotten have?!?!! Hot air! FP rotten has hot air! That’s how he’s going to get across the Canadian border: A hot air balloon! All he has to do is give a sermon, and he’ll have enough lift to gain altitude!]

    So, now, anyone who supports FP Rotten is XXXXXXXXXXXX and totally illogical and unscientific, denying proven facts. {LET’S TONE IT DOWN A BIT}

    Worst of all, they don’t seem to be able to read Scripture and remember what it says, nor are they particularly good at understanding how to apply it.

    Let him without false prophecies cast the first stone. I guess that would include just about all of us here mocking FP rotten.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Yes Ryan I know Ron rejects the Rapture and mocks about it. And yes I know Ron teaches when we are dead we are in the ground turn to ashes. (well I am getting cremated)
    I also was not in or knew nothing about Saturday Sabbath or any of the teaching, until Ron 2003. But Ron rejects alot of things.

    Thanks Mike it was Tony I was thinking about..My mistake and I will hold to it.

    Ryan ask me: Helen, it might help me understand if I ask you, was your husband keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days and willing to tithe? Those are things of God, perpetual covenants (at least perpetual for the Sabbaths anyhow). Is there something along those lines that your husband wasn’t believing in?

    Ryan what part of Ron would not even sit down to discuss with my husband about any of those things? don’t you understand? My husband came out of Mormonism. Knew it was not right. So he wanted to sit with Ron and ask him questions about it, SO he would learn then have a choice to accept or reject. So please read this again “GOD DOES NOT TURN AWAY THOSE WHO SEEK HIM”..

    Ryan said: Just because your husband is a loving person of integrity doesn’t mean that he is ready to know God. Doesn’t God work through His ministry, if somebody isn’t ready that God would reveal this through His ministry?
    Well my husband has all those wonderful qualities also he wouldn’t lie and cheat his fellowman, which Ron doesn’t have the good qualities, but he does have the quality of cheating and lying. And yet you think Ron knows what is in my husbands heart. NO GOD DOES NOT WORK JUST THROUGH A MINISTRY” that is between You and God ONLY. Ministries are to learn more about the Bible, and it seems they all give a differnt theory. Their own interpetation. Recieving God is between you and God only. No one can give it you you, one has to open the doors and let the Lord into their hearts and accept HIM.. Ministry doesn’t do it for you. It is for them to teach the word of God to believers or those who want to search for the truth. Well some ministries, then there is Ron’s ministry who teaches HE is the only one who has connections with God. And teaches what he wants and changes up Gods word. Only through Jesus can you get to my Father. Not through Ron and his false church. SO you say only through Ron and his false teachings and false church you can be with God. That is what you are saying. Blasphemy Ryan..
    My husband believed in God, he wanted to just ask some questions to find a path to begin learning more of what he has read. So I can’t answer your question on keeping sabbath, because his sabbath was on Sunday. That is what he was taught. But we will never know, because the almighty monster turned his back on a man who wanted to learn. A God loving man.. Ron said himself one can not learn by himself. Well, then he is full of Sh**. And he should practice what he preached.

    But now I am so thankful, I mean THANKFUL AND PRAISE THE LORD, God protected my husband against the False man. It is even hard to say prophet about Ron, becuase he isn’t. He is just a human who wants people to think he is God. And with his EGO he loves to pick and choose. So talk about picking and choosing. That is your number one guy you worship to.

    We won’t agree on anything Ryan. I worship god not a false man or idol, as he is your idol. When you are still here May 28th, I pray you will start reading the Bible with your own mind and not Ron’s. I mean the seriously.

    I find more about the bible from my Athiest friends than I ever did with Ron or even what you write. I am a christian, but it doesn’t mean all christians are better than anyone else or know any less. They make more sense of the Bible than Ron or even you for that matter.. But I can’t hold that against you because you haven’t become to be your own person yet. One day I hope you find the truth.

    And also learn about the differences in Athiests. They are not all what you are taught to think. I have learned that this year and I love them.. As my god loves them..

    So do you love Athiest? non believers? As you say you love EVERYONE!!

    Avalo. I would yell back, “Grab my hand”. haha .. In a blink of an eye Avalo…

    Meant to say, but Ron also mocks being saved, or born again. He is the biggest mocker I have ever heard in my whole life. So you think it is ok Ryan for him to Mock other churches and their beliefs because he doesn’t believe in them. Then what is the difference when people mock a liar and one who teaches blasphemy to others.?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Yes Ryan I know Ron rejects the Rapture and mocks about it. And yes I know Ron teaches when we are dead we are in the ground turn to ashes. (well I am getting cremated)
    I also was not in or knew nothing about Saturday Sabbath or any of the teaching, until Ron 2003. But Ron rejects alot of things.

    Thanks Mike it was Tony I was thinking about..My mistake and I will hold to it.

    Ryan ask me: Helen, it might help me understand if I ask you, was your husband keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days and willing to tithe? Those are things of God, perpetual covenants (at least perpetual for the Sabbaths anyhow). Is there something along those lines that your husband wasn’t believing in?

    Ryan what part of Ron would not even sit down to discuss with my husband about any of those things? don’t you understand? My husband came out of Mormonism. Knew it was not right. So he wanted to sit with Ron and ask him questions about it, SO he would learn then have a choice to accept or reject. So please read this again “GOD DOES NOT TURN AWAY THOSE WHO SEEK HIM”..

    Ryan said: Just because your husband is a loving person of integrity doesn’t mean that he is ready to know God. Doesn’t God work through His ministry, if somebody isn’t ready that God would reveal this through His ministry?
    Well my husband has all those wonderful qualities also he wouldn’t lie and cheat his fellowman, which Ron doesn’t have the good qualities, but he does have the quality of cheating and lying. And yet you think Ron knows what is in my husbands heart. NO GOD DOES NOT WORK JUST THROUGH A MINISTRY” that is between You and God ONLY. Ministries are to learn more about the Bible, and it seems they all give a differnt theory. Their own interpetation. Recieving God is between you and God only. No one can give it you you, one has to open the doors and let the Lord into their hearts and accept HIM.. Ministry doesn’t do it for you. It is for them to teach the word of God to believers or those who want to search for the truth. Well some ministries, then there is Ron’s ministry who teaches HE is the only one who has connections with God. And teaches what he wants and changes up Gods word. Only through Jesus can you get to my Father. Not through Ron and his false church. SO you say only through Ron and his false teachings and false church you can be with God. That is what you are saying. Blasphemy Ryan..
    My husband believed in God, he wanted to just ask some questions to find a path to begin learning more of what he has read. So I can’t answer your question on keeping sabbath, because his sabbath was on Sunday. That is what he was taught. But we will never know, because the almighty monster turned his back on a man who wanted to learn. A God loving man.. Ron said himself one can not learn by himself. Well, then he is full of Sh**. And he should practice what he preached.

    But now I am so thankful, I mean THANKFUL AND PRAISE THE LORD, God protected my husband against the False man. It is even hard to say prophet about Ron, becuase he isn’t. He is just a human who wants people to think he is God. And with his EGO he loves to pick and choose. So talk about picking and choosing. That is your number one guy you worship to.

    We won’t agree on anything Ryan. I worship god not a false man or idol, as he is your idol. When you are still here May 28th, I pray you will start reading the Bible with your own mind and not Ron’s. I mean the seriously.

    I find more about the bible from my Athiest friends than I ever did with Ron or even what you write. I am a christian, but it doesn’t mean all christians are better than anyone else or know any less. They make more sense of the Bible than Ron or even you for that matter.. But I can’t hold that against you because you haven’t become to be your own person yet. One day I hope you find the truth.

    And also learn about the differences in Athiests. They are not all what you are taught to think. I have learned that this year and I love the ones I know or speak to.. As my god loves them..

    So do you love Athiest? non believers? As you say you love EVERYONE!!?

    Avalo. I would yell back, “Grab my hand”. haha .. In a blink of an eye Avalo…

    Meant to say, but Ron also mocks being saved, or born again. He is the biggest mocker I have ever heard in my whole life. So you think it is ok Ryan for him to Mock and laugh on other churches and their beliefs because he doesn’t believe in them. Then what is the difference when people mock a liar and one who teaches blasphemy to others.?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Yes Ryan I know Ron rejects the Rapture and mocks about it. And yes I know Ron teaches when we are dead we are in the ground turn to ashes. (well I am getting cremated)
    I also was not in or knew nothing about Saturday Sabbath or any of the teaching, until Ron 2003. But Ron rejects alot of things.

    Thanks Mike it was Tony I was thinking about..My mistake and I will hold to it.

    Ryan ask me: Helen, it might help me understand if I ask you, was your husband keeping the Sabbath and Holy Days and willing to tithe? Those are things of God, perpetual covenants (at least perpetual for the Sabbaths anyhow). Is there something along those lines that your husband wasn’t believing in?

    Ryan what part of Ron would not even sit down to discuss with my husband about any of those things? don’t you understand? My husband came out of Mormonism. Knew it was not right. So he wanted to sit with Ron and ask him questions about it, SO he would learn then have a choice to accept or reject. So please read this again “GOD DOES NOT TURN AWAY THOSE WHO SEEK HIM”..

    Ryan said: Just because your husband is a loving person of integrity doesn’t mean that he is ready to know God. Doesn’t God work through His ministry, if somebody isn’t ready that God would reveal this through His ministry?
    Well my husband has all those wonderful qualities also he wouldn’t lie and cheat his fellowman, which Ron doesn’t have the good qualities, but he does have the quality of cheating and lying. And yet you think Ron knows what is in my husbands heart. NO GOD DOES NOT WORK JUST THROUGH A MINISTRY” that is between You and God ONLY. Ministries are to learn more about the Bible, and it seems they all give a differnt theory. Their own interpetation. Recieving God is between you and God only. No one can give it you you, one has to open the doors and let the Lord into their hearts and accept HIM.. Ministry doesn’t do it for you. It is for them to teach the word of God to believers or those who want to search for the truth. Well some ministries, then there is Ron’s ministry who teaches HE is the only one who has connections with God. And teaches what he wants and changes up Gods word. Only through Jesus can you get to my Father. Not through Ron and his false church. SO you say only through Ron and his false teachings and false church you can be with God. That is what you are saying. Blasphemy Ryan..
    My husband believed in God, he wanted to just ask some questions to find a path to begin learning more of what he has read. So I can’t answer your question on keeping sabbath, because his sabbath was on Sunday. That is what he was taught. But we will never know, because the almighty monster turned his back on a man who wanted to learn. A God loving man.. Ron said himself one can not learn by himself. Well, then he is full of Sh**. And he should practice what he preached.

    But now I am so thankful, I mean THANKFUL AND PRAISE THE LORD, God protected my husband against the False man. It is even hard to say prophet about Ron, becuase he isn’t. He is just a human who wants people to think he is God. And with his EGO he loves to pick and choose. So talk about picking and choosing. That is your number one guy you worship to.

    We won’t agree on anything Ryan. I worship god not a false man or idol, as he is your idol. When you are still here May 28th, I pray you will start reading the Bible with your own mind and not Ron’s. I mean the seriously.

    I find more about the bible from my Athiest friends than I ever did with Ron or even what you write. I am a christian, but it doesn’t mean all christians are better than anyone else or know any less. They make more sense of the Bible than Ron or even you for that matter.. But I can’t hold that against you because you haven’t become to be your own person yet. One day I hope you find the truth.

    And also learn about the differences in Athiests. They are not all what you are taught to think. I have learned that this year and I love the ones I know or speak to.. As my god loves them..

    So do you love Athiest? non believers? As you say you love EVERYONE!!?

    Avalo. I would yell back, “Grab my hand”. haha .. In a blink of an eye Avalo…

    Meant to say, but Ron also mocks being saved, or born again. He is the biggest mocker I have ever heard in my whole life. So you think it is ok Ryan for him to Mock and laugh on other churches and their beliefs because he doesn’t believe in them. Then what is the difference when people mock a liar and one who teaches blasphemy to others.?

  • Atrocious says:

    Very well said, Helen. I’ve noticed that Ryan tends to divert the comments to theological doctrine and preach his version of “the truth” (or rather, Ron’s version).

    Ryan, Jesus called the Pharisees vipers and snakes, telling them what they were doing was wrong. Like I said to you before, I don’t believe the way you do and my salvation does not depend on believing Ron Weinland. In my eyes, he is just a deluded man with a huge ego who has learned how to con people into giving him their money using religion and the name of God. I don’t want to discuss doctrine with you, I don’t want to discuss religion with you; but when the time comes for you to realize how duped you are/were, feel free to come here to be “deprogrammed” and un-brainwashed from all the garbage you ingested from the mouth of Ron Weinland.

  • JB says:

    Ryan, your comments on this thread have been quite entertaining. I am a christian, have been all my life and belong to a traditional church. I am closer to God than I ever have been. I base my life on God’s greatest commandment to love one another. Three years ago my husband of 42 years fell into the Weinland web of false teachings. Good old Ron has put a lot of stress on our marriage. Althought it makes me very sad that he still follows Ron and believes everything he says I also think he is being very stupid. We are taking a bible study together at “our” church right now on the book of Daniel and I pray that the holy spirit will work with him. I am so grateful to be in a church with a wonderful pastor that offers many bible studies where we can study the bible, learn, ask questions and communicate with each other. In Ron’s church you get Ron, who tells you what to believe and what to do and I truely believe he is lead by the Devil. No man of God would ever say and do the things that Ron does. As a christian, if Christ returns during my lifetime, I will rejoyous to be with him. My brother-in-law died a couple of weeks ago and it was difficult to say good-by but he was surrounded by his christian family that are happy that he is cancer free with God.

    Ryan I hope you along with my husband and others in Ron’s cult will start to read the bible with fresh eyes.

  • Where will Ryan go? This is a very sad question. We have proven that Ronald Weinland is a false prophet. We have proven that British Israelism is a fraud scientifically, all Armstrongism is based on British Israelism and that is why the ministers in all of Armstrongism are false prophets.

    Lots of people keep the Sabbath. There’s even a group of Sabbath keeping Mormons. Next thing you know, there might be a group of Sabbath keeping Scientologists (that would be perfect for Ryan, so I’ll keep my eyes open and ears to the ground). There’s the Messianic Jews, but they are a bit extreme on the Jewish side: It’s like, yeah, the Gentiles are included in salvation, but maybe they should convert to a rebranded Judahism.

    OK then. Feasts. Not so much. See, now, there isn’t any absolute proof in the Bible that Christians must keep the Feasts to have salvation. You can stack the deck, but there still isn’t any solid evidence. Optional? Blessings? Well, maybe. Or not. But Feasts limit the options, especially if you exclude all Armstrongists. They all, after all, are based on the religion of a proven False Prophet.

    Messianic Jews. Uh, well, maybe not such a good option unless you like the Jewish sort of thing. Lots of music in a minor key. Are you OK with blue fringes on your garments? It’s sort of a culture shock.

    There is the Seventh Day Church of God in Caldwell, Idaho with Paul Woods as Pastor, also the editor and publisher of the Harold of Truth. These folks are from the group that was keeping the Feasts before Herbert Armstrong came along. You could attend the Feast of Tabernacles in Eastern Washington (as I have at one point), but it’s a bit on the primitive side and isn’t at all up to the quality of the Laodocean Armstrongist Churches. In other words, once you’ve gone to the big city (preacher), you won’t want to go back to the farm (land — or in this case, Fruitland). It’s more like a Bible camp. It’s closer to the ancient Israelite experience. You will be immersed in Scripture pretty much all day and night and have sort of communal meals together. Hope you like the outdoors, because it’s a long way to the strip mall in Davenport.

    So maybe we’ve missed a few options.

    For Ryan, he can’t start too soon. May isn’t that far away and he’s going to be very disappointed.

    But facing the truth, as hard as it is, is better than living with delusions.

  • martin says:

    I don’t know if Ryan addressed this question or not, as I can’t find a response.

    Ryan…
    This question has NOTHING to do with Ronald Weinland, my question is this, what is your criteria for determining whether a man is a true prophet or false prophet.
    (Surely God would provide guidelines for determining this critical question, don’t you think?)

    A man (not Ronald Weinland) stands up, utters a prophecy he claims comes from God. He gives exact location, date, people, plague etc…he is exact in details

    The prophecy comes to pass.

    What is your determination: Is the man a true prophet or a false prophet? (a simple yes he is, or no he isn’t, or brief explanation will do)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I think that Ryan is distracted by all of Ron’s signs and lying wonders. Like it being 40 weeks from Xmas of 2007 to Trumpets of 2008. Somewhere in the bible it gives that a factor as identifying a true prophet of God, I just haven’t been able to find it.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Helen: you’ve made an excellent point about Ron mocking.

    Ryan : all of us here put together haven’t mocked Ron more than he himself has mocked others. Even in his own church. The backstabber that he is. At least none of us here have issued a death curse against another human being.

  • Atrocious says:

    Good point, Kirrily.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike. Let me look in my notes. When I study I usually write down things that I want to remember. This about recognizing prophets was one part.
    WEll, I will look through it later, but it says if one KNOWS the Bible (for themselves of course, not by others) they will know a False prophet. I wrote that down because I did not know a thing about the Bible but what I heard from man. SO, I didn’t recognize the 2 prophet churches I was in. So apparently, I was duped. You and Avalo and whom ever else on here REALLY know the bible never got duped. And yet you may be non-believers, but you still knew False prophets. So that is proof to me..Even though I always believed in God, but not knowing the Bible, I was duped and then duped again. So that is why that sticks in my mind and I have to believe it. Now I know I won’t be following false prophets again. Why because what I am studying I grasp with my own thinking, not mans.
    There is one in Col. Chpt. 2:16. Remember this one becuase it reminded me of Ron. “PUFFED UP.” It grabbed me because Ron and the followers always talked about we shouldn’t be puffed up. Well Ron is the biggest Puffer Upper I know, and so is most of the followers. and VS. 23. There certainly is alot, but the one I told you about I really think is true, just have to find it.

    Atro: Thank you.. I agree with you. Ryan keeps diverting any truths he hears on here to Rons teachings. Not Gods. That is what I mean when I say they DO NOT-CAN NOT think for themselves. I just can’t listen to his garbage either. It boggles my mind to see a person brain dead from a false preacher. Very sad.. I really am not trying to be mean by saying that, but there is no other way to put it. Just the facts. That is sad becuase that is how Ron wants you to be. So confused one just can’t conform to reality.

    Ryan Read Romans, but on your own. Since the NT, (in my studying Romans, so some may disagree with me and that is ok) as I was saying. Since the NT alot of the OT was changed. Like “no food is unclean unless you make it so”. That was changed. You can eat anything you want Ryan as long as you bless the food before you eat it.. So go at it. Go with the NT as they are supposed to be changed to the new changes from God through Christ. Did you know there is NO WHERE in the NT that says to keep the Sabbath or Sunday Holy? Sure go to worship on your sabbath day whether it be Saturday or Sunday and learn. BUT everyday now is a holy day. By that we should always be close to God and try our best every day to do what is right. NOT just on Sabbath.. Everyday should be between you and God. We all do the best we can do in this life. And let me tell you I stumble, wipe my butt off and get back up until I stumble again.
    And if people still want to eat like the OT that is ok also. But those who do are not to judge the people who do not follow OT and go with the NT version. visa versa. Your almighty Ron does judge on that horribly. I never judged the arse for not allowing us to eat pork, pig, seafood etc. . Even though I think he should do less drinking and maybe try some seafood instead. Which is worse?
    If someone can find in the NT bible where it says only keep the Sabbath day Holy, that is a commandment in NT please let me know. I am always willing to listen and read. Not the OT either. Just the new.
    Romans Chapter 14:2-9 (i think)

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Thanks Kirrily as we BOTH know how true that is.
    And you are right, at least we haven’t put a curse of death to another human. Good point.. I have known Ron to mock everyone but his church since 2003. I did find it strange and harsh. Didn’t you Kirrily?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    JB, I am really happy you found a place to take your husband to where you are happy, and he can keep his focus off of Ron’s teachings. Hopefully your hubby can keep going to your church so he will no longer be in the grips and teachings of Ron..
    Yes, Ron does like to stir up families. But in a bad way..

  • JB says:

    Thanks Helen, there are many people praying for my husband. My husband and I shared the same faith all of our lives and have always attended the same church so you can imagine how difficult this has been for me and our family to have him go off in left field with with the Ron cult. I still find so much joy and happiness in my church but now I do it alone. ROTTEN RON!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Thank you Helen.

    But I would have to say ‘take my kids’ if you are Raptured. They are innocent. Me, personally, I have been rejecting god/jesus as Christ for decades. I don’t deserve to be Raptured if it is all true. My wife and I have earned our fates through freewill. Take the kids…and make sure they brush their hair as they are a bit tomboyish! And make sure the younger one washes her face. I swear that kid is a dirt magnet. She even spent most of the day yesterday wandering around with a tiny chunk of shrimp stuck in her hair. I told her Justin Bieber would never marry someone with shrimp hair, but she didn’t even care…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I must say though that I am really encouraged by all the actual Christians showing up here to defend their faith as logically or scripturally as they can against Ryan’s sermonizing. You all showed up to make your voices heard. And even though I still don’t agree with Christianity, I feel really good about what you guys are doing. A sincere effort to do what you think is right is always good when the effort is based on compassionate conviction and mercy. The world needs more of that.

    Well done, Christians!

    That’s 5 points for Jesus…and -378 for Ronald Weinland.

  • JB says:

    Avalo, you are a good friend on this blog. A difference of opinion is always a good thing and the tolerance of logical opinons is even better. I don’t consider the opinions and preaching of Ron and his followers as logical.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo.. Do I have to come to your house and give you a good paddling young man! Don’t ever say you don’t deserve it. When my son says that I could just blister his behind. haha except he is 6’5″. Hope your not that tall or I will have to jump and swat, jumb and swat. 🙂
    Kidding aside, you do deserve the best and you strive I know to do your best. Sometimes you are too hard on yourself Avalo. you are a good person. And don’t let anyone ever tell you differently. Why do you think your children have turned out so wonderful, well, look at the parents who raised them. You and your wife must being doing something right. Right?
    Sometimes I think too many Christians carry that label on the outside and think they only have the rights to be the so called “good people” of the world. That is not so. At least I don’t think so. Well let me rephrase that, I KNOW SO..There are good, great and smart people who aren’t christian. I think this with all my heart and believe deeply. There a good and bad people everywhere. But I believe God will look in the persons heart and how they lived. I absolutely do not believe when you go to heaven, well, wherever we go. No one knows really for sure, at least I don’t think. Heaven could mean different things. But good different things. OK. Off track again.
    God isn’t going to ask “Hey Helen what church did you go to, what religion are you?” So i give my answer, God say”Bong, you are wrong, bye, bye”.. Now it does say for Salvation we have to believe in His Son Jesus Christ and that he died for our sins. Now that I am not sure you can slip by. haha BUT I myself think you and your family will be just fine. You will see. Who knows maybe I will catch ya up there and get to talk to you and your family. By the way, I planned on grabbing all 4 of you with one hand and my boys with the other. 🙂 Trust me I have a tight grip buddy.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    When Ryan is pressed for an explanation as to how he could consider that Ron is indeed a prophet of God, he response with a bunch of conjecture as to how his failed prophecies could yet be squeezed into the remaining time before Christ doesn’t return. If pressed for an example of fulfilled prophecies, it’s a list of random disasters.

    If pigs grew wings, they might be able to fly.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen:

    I am 6’7″ and my wife is 4’9″!! Our kids are “normal” heights for their ages. So you would have jump high to spank me! LOL!! I was spanked when I was a kid, but we have never spanked our daughters. Using the various tactics my wife and I have worked out, the kids have never done anything “spank-worthy”. I am OK with spanking, but I would rather not use it if I can do it another way.

    The main tactic I used was tie their best interests into their desires. For example, when my youngest was going through her ‘princess’ phase, I would tell her that she would have to pass the Princess Tests before she could be officially called a princess. The Princess Tests were things like recycling, not bothering Mommy while she meditated, brushing your teeth, etc. It seemed to work, and my daughter got into it. By the time she lost interest in being a princess she had already established a lot of good habits. Now its the Justin Bieber’s Wife Tests. The older one is quiet and studious, and we never had to do anything to punish her or stop her from misbehaving. She just does her thing and doesn’t bother anyone. In fact, she is shy and we have to encourage her to be more outgoing and try a few things. So I use that to her advantage whenever I can, including parenting. My wife is great with the girls. They are all buddies, but my wife is clearly the alpha female and will pull rank if the girls get out of line.

    My wife stood up to the Viet Cong in the 70s…two preteen girls are no challenge to her!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I love talking about my wife, as she is so completely amazing.

    One day, when we had first moved in together, I found her crying in the living room. I asked her what was wrong, and she said through sobs,”I don’t think we can be together like this anymore.”. When I asked her why she felt that way her response was” Well, you are so tall, and I am tiny, and we will never be able to ballroom dance or cha-cha or rhumba normally like everyone else, and you will never know what it is like to have a normal sized dance partner. I don’t want to keep you from having your best life, and I am afraid I won’t be good enough for you like that”. When the love of your life says something like that to you, your love for her triples exponentially on the spot. She was pretty happy to discover that I hate dancing. But she also came to know too that I would do anything for her no matter how giant I am, including ball-room dancing with her. We eventually took lessons and the instructor showed us how to adjust our positions to accommodate our height difference.

    So we not only had no dance-related marital problems, but we also ended up living her dream of ball-room dancing in a real ball-room dance, with the fancy gown and everything. Personally, I hated all the Viennese waltzes, tuxedoes and so on. But I had a great time with my wife, sharing her joy. To see her swirling around in a gown, after having grown up in the middle of rape, death, and destruction, was a miracle.

    I am not sue why I am sharing this. It is probably too much info. But I would hope that at the very least it would help people understand just how easily and uplifting it is for me to be an atheist, and live as a free man without fearing the wrath of yahweh. And that even if you are atheist or Christian, or whatever…

    …life without Ronald Weinland is NOT misery…it is JOY…

  • On Banned by HWA, there is just posted an obituary of Charles F. Hunting, which some of you may remember was the Director of the AC campus in England (he was much more than that).

    I mention this because he was such a man of integrity and character — a rarity in the WCG — and a man like FP Ronald Weinland cannot begin to compare with someone of such stellar qualifications.

    Those of the CoG-PKG just have to make do with leftovers, I guess (something from the prison kitchen, I would imagine).

  • Atrocious says:

    I love the things you share about your relationship with your wife, Avalo. What I would give to have had a relationship like that with my ex, but alas, he followed in the cult, and as far as I know, he still is. There was no love toward me from him…it was all “power”. I was “nothing” to him, just as he was taught to treat his “wife”. Someday, if not in this life, definitely in the next, I will know that kind of love that you and your wife share. I look forward to that. Thanks for sharing. I dare say, not many in PKG have that kind of marriage…they’re too busy trying to “follow the rules” to please their ron-god. How sad.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    6’7″. Wow I thought i cranked out 2 tall sons. lol.. It is great to share about our loved ones isn’t it? I feel like you do Avalo. Just how better can it get. I am glad you express that, maybe more people will understand. Especially to people from PKG and others like them. Maybe they can learn somthing. Unfortunetly I really don’t think they have it in them. They live on fear. I don’t Fear God. I never have Feared Him even though Ron told us to. So much joy and peace since i got out of there. I just never belonged there anyway. But it did wake me up to see what a cult is like and learn to run from it. A real eye opener for me. I didn’t know we were suppose to Fear God. I don’t think we do. I have joy..

    My first son did get a spanking and that haunts me to this day. But i was brought up that way. I didn’t have to often, but when i realized better ways of handling it, I stopped. And glad I did. I realized I was doing the way I was taught, so it didn’t last long. Never spanked my 2nd one at all. Then I realized communicating is better by sitting them down and talking to them.
    I wish my boys could meet a wife like yours. Not many around so humble and faithful unfortunetly. Or they just don’t want kids.
    I can just see you both ballroom dancing now. You must have made it work out just fine. You know you could have just picked her up, have her wrap her legs around your waist and waltz her around the floor. 🙂 That is pretty cute though.
    Thank you for sharing Avalo. I think it is great to share our joy.. See PKG we are much happier than you.. and we think for ourselves. Amazing isn’t it.. Leave Ron and you too will find happiness.
    So your daughter still wants to be Justin Biebers wife. That is too funny. That is not the one with shrimp in her hair is it. haha
    With all your wife went through, I can tell she appreciates every moment with her family. I bet she never takes it for granted, not one bit.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    You will one day Atro.. I have to confess, I thought you were a guy. Sry. I didn’t know. name “Atrocious” I just thought it was a man. lol

    Now I can tell you, I have 2 single sons. haha 33 and 38. I want grandkids. lol

    Yep Mike, next thing you know this will also be a Match making site. haha

    Have to tell you how shy I am. Met my husband, we fell in love at first site (honest). I ask him to marry me after 2 weeks we met. Married 2 1/2 months after we met. Been married 40 years. He is the shy one. I wasn’t about to let this guy go. lol I wasn’t stupid. Just didn’t want him to find out what a B.. I was before we got married. Well thats what I say anyway..:)

  • Atrociousb says:

    Well, Helen, I too have 2 single sons…35 and 36. So you and I are about the same age. I have no grandchildren either. But that’s ok. I chose “Atrocious” because that’s what ron is, atrocious. His whole cult is atrocious.

  • Atrocious says:

    oooops…typo on my name above….sorry

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    haha.. Is that not too funny.. We are about the same age. Isn’t is great how people can meet each other on these blogs. And have things in common normally we wouldn’t meet.
    So Atro, i guess meeting my sons is out, ey? lol

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I have to agree “Atrocious Ron Is”.. Did the cult cause trouble between you and hubby. Ron likes to stir things up between some couples. He like the power to do that. Does one still have to have his permission to marry do you know?
    After all, you don’t let him know and you will be corrected.. Isn’t that just too much and people really do that, becuase they are so fearful of Ron.. Yes, I am fearful of a short, fat, baldheaded man who is an egomaniac. Not that I have anything against short fat baldheaded guys. Just Ron.. He reminds me a bit of humpty dumpty..and his fall will be here shortly..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Helen:

    Your sons can definitely meet a wife like mine. She was my buddy first. My advice is always ‘date women you would have as a buddy, no matter what gender they are.” If my wife and I never became lovers or married, she and I would still be buddies and having dinner parties with our respective families. Make no mistake, when we first met I was primarily interested in getting her into bed with me, she is absolutely sexy! But as I got to know her, I eventually just wanted her to be in the same room with me, no matter if that room contained a bed or not!

    She and I never stop talking, that is important too. I can think of nothing I enjoy more than talking with her; I guess it is my hobby! I don;t know if that is the usual way couples act. But she and I never run out of things to talk about. She and I are both polyglots, we speak multiple languages. So when we get bored with English we switch to Vietnamese or French. She also speaks Russian and I speak Japanese/German, so we teach other a new word or two for fun every once in awhile. My favourite is when I ask her a question in French and she replies in Vietnamese or vice versa. Now the kids are learning Vietnamese at the intermediate level from her, and my youngest is a real talker. So now I get to have even more fun with her too. The older one can speak Vietnamese well, but she tends to just use it when she is bored. So I guess our secret is talking and friendship.

    Also we all have a role to play in the family. We all contribute to the family in a unique way and are expected to support each other in that effort. So my kids don’t fight, everyone is happy, and any disagreements are settled fast and easily, though that may change when they become teenagers. That is coming up in a few years, and I hope that I am up for the challenge.

    So if any of you have advice in that regard I am always ready to hear it!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Avalo, if you can your wife can get through preparing for a ballroom competition together, you have a great relationship. 😉 Didn’t work out so well for me. OTOH, I do enjoy dancing, that’s what I was doing this evening. Having you looked at west coast swing? No tuxes, and height differences are less important.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo, that is great advice. Truly wise. Love your honesty.
    Teenage years can be rough. They are just coming into their own, and thinking more and more for themselves. And don’t forget they will know more than you (they think). It is for a short time, then I swear to you, when they are in their twenties and they thank you for being great parents, and putting up with what they went through, it will be so worth it. Feels so great when they tell you, you have been the greatest parents and for all your support. It really surprised me when the boys told me so many of their friends never had a good relationship with their parents and told them they wish I was their mom. To be honest, they wouldnt like me. haha They are not ashamed either to tell everyone how much they love us and want a family like we have.
    Sounds like you are doing pretty swell my friend. Don’t worry. They will be great and love you and your wife always. We also all support one another and have always been super close. Our boys are the very best friends ever. They had their battles here and there, but they have a blast together and always have each others back, no matter what.
    Your very lucky Avalo. Having what we do is more unique than you would think.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I just want to get them to 18 without any damage! Then they can go off and do whatever they want, but until eighteen I want them to be lily-fresh and tiger strong…

  • JB says:

    Daughters are special but can be challenging at times. My daughters are 33 and 38, both married. I also have an 18 year old granddaughter and a 13 year old grandson. I always said if they got out of their shared bathroom alive they would be good freinds. One daughter can’t understand how her Dad can follow Ron’s cult and one believes people can make their own choices although she doesn’t like the cult.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Oh great.. just lost once again what i wrote. Wrong button pushed.

    I will just make this shorter. Good morning everyone. Tomorrow the count down starts. 2012.

    Mike I am glad you did your ballroom last night. Cha-cha, tango, waltz etc… You needed that because today is another day of enduring Ron’s sermon. Hopefully, you can go again tonight for a stress relief. Nothing calms ones soul as dancing. At least I think, you did comment it can get a bit testy.
    Well know you are appreciated for our updates. Hopefully, some new lies do tell, you once again can prove wrong.

    Mike, I did have a question I have been meaning to ask since i was in PKG about the “truths”. But will discuss it another time since today you will be very busy.
    Never understood them when I was in. I did get a paper mailed to me on the new added truths from Ron. But I filed them away. Never to be seen again. Are they considered like the 10 commandments? I was never interested in the truths, so I never paid attention to them because they didn’t mean anything to me. I have noticed the truths mentioned on here, and what I read again today you mentioned it also. I guess 4 years in PKG I wasn’t of one mind with the others. That is probably why i could see clearly enough to realize Ron was full of BS. Don’t get me wrong, I tried, but just couldn’t see a good side to his teachings. At first It was interesting and mingling with some people, but other than that when the hate and mocking came from him, you know , hell and damn curses, I blocked him out most of the time, or fell alseep during his sermon. That was my nap time. The best part of his sermons were listening to his rants before the sermons started, and who was acting out of line and they would get corrected by Ron. One of the sayings was, “you know who you are so you better be shaking in your chair becuase when I get back I am going to talk with you”.. Of course with the gossip we always found out who the bad person was who disobeyed Ron. Well some of us knew. Sorry, it just hit me funny today.. Because those are the things I remember most. among some other not so nice things.
    So. Mike does Ron still have his rants like that, or did he take anger management?

    I hope you are well rested my friend!!! 🙂
    I should proof read this, but I am too tired too. So hope it is readable. I need my coffee to wake up..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Tonight’s the big New Year’s Eve party, so yes, another night of dancing. Maybe a champagne toast at midnight, probably will just have grape juice. Not a teetotaler, just find that dance wax and alcohol doesn’t mix well for me. Maybe a nap to get ready, I find that Ron’s sermons put me to sleep too, and I tend to get sleepy mid afternoon anyway.

    As of late Ron has become more and more closed-mouth during his announcements. I don’t think he appreciates my analysis of them later on. 😉 A couple of years ago, he announced only the first names of new elders. I supplied last names for many of them, and the next week he bragged about the stirred up members of the scattering. Haven’t heard a scolding like you mention recently.

    I don’t think Ron holds his “truths” as important as the 10 commandments. Nor as important as tithing. The most important truth of all required to be a PKG member is unstated. That truth is that to follow Ron you have to believe whatever he said in his latest sermon. Sometimes what he says at the end of his latest sermon.

  • Mike, let me get this straight: Is FP rotten like the Koran where the latest statement supercedes the preceding (perhaps conflicting) one?

    If that is the case, I guess if I were a member, I’d be awfully confused and waiting with bated breath to find out from the latest sermon if I were doing the right thing.

    Anyway, maybe he will give us “new truth” today shortly.

  • Are we quite sure that PKG isn’t some mental disorder described in the DSM-IV?

    I thought I read about PKG symptoms somewhere.

  • Atrocious says:

    Helen, I was part of WWCG from early teen-age years. I was thoroughly indoctrinated and grew up in the cult and married in the cult, raised my two sons in the cult. Our marriage was in trouble from the beginning but stuck it out because “divorce” wasn’t an option. I can’t go into detail but needless to say, I left and he stayed. We are divorced and have been for some time. That’s why I am so against cults like Ronnie’s. They do a lot of damage to people and their families. My sons are still suffering from the way they were raised and I struggle with guilt to this day.

  • jack635 says:

    I predict today’s sermon will be entitled “the end of tyranny part II”

  • jack635 says:

    So I got a 50/50 chance of claiming to be a prophet……….or none at all

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Helen – the ‘truths’ to me at the time were fully understood by me and so very precious. I would be too rusty to comment or even damn well remember all of them! Lol.

    I remember the day I left, I still believed all of them – EXCEPT the truth that related to Ron and the wench being Gods Final Witnesses.

    I’m curious now, if you didn’t know/believe the truths – what led you to PKG? And what kept you there?

    Sorry if you have already said!

    I find it interesting because if you didn’t know/believe the truths, there must be others in there like that too – and I wonder why the ended up at PKG, and also what is keeping them there!

    I agree with Mike – 10 commandments would come first, um, or maybe tithing would come first! Lol. Then the truths – my understanding is that if you did not believe the truths you could not ‘join’.

    I remember being asked if I believed all the truths.

    Thats another reason I felt (a while ago now, don’t give a toss now), that lets say IF many/most of Rons truths WERE truth, then Ron has poisoned them with his false prophecies. You’d think to a PKG member the TRUTHS would be more important than Ron – well, apparently not.

    From the outside, and probably more reality, the order of importance is:-

    1. Ron
    2. Ron
    3. Ron
    4. Laura
    5. Tithing
    6. Believing his spoken words
    7. 51 (latest figure?) truths
    8. 10 Commandments
    9. God
    10. Jesus
    11. Your family

    So even though they would SAY 10 commandments would come before the truths (ie, you can’t ‘join’ unless you will keep the Sabbath), I think in real terms the order I say above is probably more correct.

    Happy New Year everyone!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yes indeed! Happy New Year everyone!

    Nothing will be happening tonight here at the Avalokiteshvara residence, as the only religious member of the house is a Buddhist (wife), and we celebrate Vietnamese New Year with her. But the kids are going to stay over at a friend’s house…so wife and I are going to have a little ‘celebration” of our own! But first the USA plays a Group B game against Canada tonight in World Junior Hockey Championships and we will be watching that. I love the USA, BUT when it comes to hockey I bleed red and white forever, and I hope we crush ’em!! But Happy New Years anyways, my American friends!

    I hope you all have a great 2012, and I am REALLY looking forward to our BIG DAY here at Mike’s Blog when May 27th come and goes…

  • Atrocious says:

    Happy New Year everyone! The residents here where I live are having a party tonight so we will be celebrating and be safe at the same time. Food, games, and laughter.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Kirrily, In my interview with Ron at the 2003 Feast, he never even brought up the truths to me. Never heard of them. He never mentioned the 10 commandments either. I never was familiar with his church and teaching or the churches he came from. My aunt was in the COG=PKG and Ron and Laura told her I could go to the Feast. They love my aunt very much as she them. So it was like a very fast baptism at the Feast. When I mean fast, I am saying it didn’t seem to matter what I knew or didn’t know, for Ron knew I came from a completely different type of churches, and knew I didn’t know anything. I honestly believe it didn’t matter to Ron. I know my aunt wanted me in so bad so I honestly believe Ron baptized me and let me in the church because of my Aunt. Plus I was the first one in his church that he let in from outside from the world. You know one that was never affiliated with any of Armstrong etc. teachings. I always thought my aunt was JW. I don’t think one was suppose to talk about church to the outsiders.
    It was weird to me, because I felt like a Monkey on display at the Feast. haha A creature different from them. lol Even though they were kind, but very surprised. Could not figure that out.
    I am sure Ron didn’t want me in, that is what I felt, I don’t know really,just a feeling. With my aunt and Laura being so tight, I think now looking back they did it so my aunt would have a family member in there. It did make her so happy.
    The more I listened to him, the more wierder it got. It was all about Ron.
    To be honest, I never really felt welcomed by Ron and Laura, but the others were very nice to me.. I am not sure what it was, but Ron, Laura and I just never clicked. And Ron would barely acknowledge me being around.
    No one explained the truths to me, and I never really ask. I do know though Ron added truths. I couldn’t even tell you what they are. It didn’t seem that important in Rons cult when I was in except when he added to it. So I didn’t take the truths to be very important. Maybe it is because I didn’t understand really what they are. I guess I could have ask some one to sit down with me and explain each one, but I wasn’t really into learning them. To this day I don’t know them. I guess everyone else knew the truths, well of course, so they didn’t have to speak of it.
    It was important then to listen to Ron then anything else, because things were changing and he was changing things. More things were to come that were very important for Ron to teach. His First book was being written . . He was a very busy man becuase God was working with him mightley (rons word) sp? and quick. Then of course he went on to his second book.. Poor guy was over whelmed with all the information God was putting on him. Things he didn’t want to reveal, but he had to. God told him to, and it was a big stress on his mind to have to tell us things. chuckle chuckle. Hey some one had to do it. lol
    Your 1-ll sounds pretty accurate. Except in family, Ron always said GODS family. We were Gods family. Our earthly family he didn’t dwell on that. It was the family of one mind. We had one mind. ron’s mind.Scary… and 7-8, can’t relate. I guess i would put different works in that section…
    I just can’t believe the truths if I don’t know what they mean or what they are.. I don’t think I want to learn them either. I guess I just don’t believe in any of the B.S. of Ron’s cult and the cult starting with Armstrong he was in.. Ron even changed things about Armstrong and when he did that people left fast, becuase they were so upset Ron changed some of Armstrongs doctrine. Man, what an upset in the church. My head was spinning Kirrily.. Talk about confusion..

    My son called and said 2012 is going to be a great year for us. If he only knew how true that is:)
    Avalo. too bad we couldn’t have our own FEAST on May 28th. Mike and all the bloggers… Celebrate for sure…

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Happy New Years Eve. I have my new Pajamagrams, hootie footies on. And ready for my hubby and I to watch some movies and keep warm by the fireplace…
    I wish the best for all of you..

  • JB says:

    Happy 2012 to everyone. I am looking forward to a very good year.

  • FP rotten’s latest sermon: He feels tired… blah, blah, blah, blah.

    We’re tired of him.

    It’s symmetric, I guess.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And let me add a special Happy New Year to Kirrily and Mike (DDTFA)

    Kirrily: My wife and I are sooo excited for you as you prepare to have a child in 2012. My wife and I and science are on your side, and I can’t think of a better way to begin the first few months of a year than to have a baby! You are going to feel joy, fear, happiness, and a WHOLE LOTTA pain! But think of the pain as a soul cleanser, your entry into the “I’ve given life to the world” club. The entrance fee is hard on the body, but it is so worth it! Peace and Love to you in 2012.

    Mike (DDTFA): A special Happy New Year to you too. You have done an amazing job keeping track of wRONgald Weinland, and have given the rest of us here a great place to vent and talk. I hope you have a great year, and if there is a God that you believe in, I hope he/she BURIES you in blessings and joy this year. You have done a “righteous” work and you definitely will reap a harvest of goodness for you tireless efforts to shine a light on the evil that is Ronald Weinland.

    From all of us here…GOD (and science) BLESS YOU, GOOD SIR.

  • Thiền Uyển Tập Anh says:

    Hello Kirrily:

    This is Avalokiteshvara wife. I am so happy your baby will be born! I had a two babies and they were girls that made me so happy! Don’t have fear on the pain, it is Ok after, and you will have a baby to hold in your arms and a son. I am small and Avalokiteshvara gave me big babies! But I am OK and you will be too. I will pray to ancestors and they will come to help you. Maybe my grandma will come and pat your head in the spirit world! She was very nice.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Aw, thanks heaps guys!! Getting close now – he is due in just over 5 weeks but have had some signs he might be coming early. Hope he can last 2 more weeks as it would be best, but if he comes anytime now it won’t be a drama.

    Usually its damn hot this time of year, thankfully we have had a cool summer so far!

    When the time comes and Mike thinks it’s OK, I’ll provide a pic of my little man so he can post it here so you guys can see him 🙂

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I would love to post a picture of your little guy and was hoping you’d be OK with that.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Well Mike, when the time comes I give you full permission to announce the news and post a pic! 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Kirrily, I closed my eyes and put my finger on Jan. Calendar. Your baby will come Jan 18th. My prediction.
    Can’t wait to see you precious boy on the blog. A new baby in the family.

    Not sure if I answered one of your questions on not believing the truths of the churh. I didn’t believe them or not believe them. I didn’t know them. It must be something Armstrong started, yes?

  • Thiền Uyển Tập Anh says:

    Let’s have a baby on january 15!!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Mmmmmm, ok – I reckon he will come Feb 7, Hubbie reckons Feb 3rd (he is due 9 Feb – which is also by b’day! Lol)….

    Jan 15 or 18 would be good though!

    Helen : I’d never heard of ‘truths’ before I ‘joined’ GTA – so yeah, I think it may be an Armstrongism thing….. not 100% sure though….

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I change my prophecy. lol Feb. 4th…

  • jack635 says:

    Happy New year Mike and all of you here. Some of you have been here since the old DDTF and even on the old ironwolf. Almost four years later we are still pointing out Ron to everyone as a PROVEN false prophet. It is sometimes tedious, but it is sort of like a good old fashioned “good vs evil” battle. And good will triumph over evil……..eventually.

    Even if Ron continues preaching after May 27th, we will have won because we have been saying we are right and Ron is wrong. And May 27th is judgment day with the final word on whether or not Ron REALLY is a false prophet, and his book REALLY is a stack of papers for the garbage. It will be concrete proof in writing. GFW will be a written confession to a crime. Good night everyone.

    Put me down for Feb 4th in the pool.

  • jack635 says:

    Sorry Helen. I didn’t see that. bedtime

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Happy New year Jack..
    That is ok. We just may just be right!!!! the 4th… FEB. 4 is a special day for me. So it will be special too for Kirrily. Well on any day will be special for Kirrily…
    We can split the big bucks Jack. lol

  • Steve says:

    Wellllllllllllll the jehovas witnesses had a great excuse when they said jesus would return in i think it was 1918 or 1914….its been a while since i read all about that stuff….but yea their excuse when he didnt show up was “he is ruling invisibly”…..but after all they were “invented” by an 18 year old boy charles russel

  • Steve says:

    ps, i dont think ive ever seen so many posts lol

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Had a wonderful time dancing last night and bringing in the New Year. Thank you all for participating on my blog over the past year. Wish you all Happy New Year with more of the same an better as we watch Ron deal with his legal situation and the failure of his prophecy.

  • randy terlecki says:

    thank you mike and happy new year to you all!!! well at least 6months or may 27 L.O.L.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    First of all I want to say Hello to Thien. It was so nice to have you blog on here. Feel like I know you already. Your husband adores you and your girls. He is one happy dude.. Hope this note finds you well and to you and your family Have a wonderful blessed 2012. BTW did you know your kids have a Aunt Helen now? Yes I was adopted to be so.. so give my nieces a hug and kiss from me. Hope to hear from you again..

    Mike, thank you so much for your time and efforts you put into your blog. The short time I have been on here has been amazing. Who would have thought in a blog I would meet such amazing people.
    I am glad you brought in the New Year with a blast of dancing. What better way!

    Again, Happy 2012 to all of my friends on here. Thanks for putting up with me I should say,:) Looking for another great year on here with all of you, and thank you for all I have learned so far.

    Steve: Yes alot of posting goes on here. Isn’t it great?!! I think this is a very special blog..

  • chacha says:

    Happy new year to all and may the “tribulation” continue!

    May those who are deluded by Ron come to WAKE UP and truly “see” what they have gotten themselves into!

    I turned in my “associate elder” badge and got the hell out o’ there!

    (so sorry to all the multitudes that I will not be a part in baptizing…I just couldn’t be a hypocrite)

    Have a GREAT day everyone! And may the next be better…and on and on…

    Chacha