Discovery Motions in Re Criminal Trial of Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was given a new title in a recent court filing by his defense team: “Defendant Ronald E. Weinland”.  There are actually two defense motions that were filed last week.  One motion was to extend the deadline for filing motions by at least two weeks, until January 5 or later.  The other motion was to require that the government preserve notes made by its agents which could be discoverable under the Jencks Act.  The Jencks act requires the government to provide as discovery any prior statements made by witnesses who appear at trial, or any material to which those witnesses may refer as part of their testimony during the trial.

We learn a few interesting things about the government’s case from these filings.  The Weinlands first learned about the case on Wednesday, July 2, 2008, when an IRS special agent confronted Ron and Laura for an interview. I wonder if the IRS special agent is sufficiently honored to have met the Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11.  In Ron’s sermon the following weekend (July 5, 2008), he mentioned great trials the prior week from a stirred up being.  A week later, on July 9, 2008, the IRS special agent began issuing 12 summonses to financial institutions for financial transaction records relating to Ron, Laura, and the church.

On July 29, 2008, Weinland filed a motion to quash these summonses arguing that they were overly broad because (1) they included tax year 2008 for which a filing wasn’t yet due and (2) included records for Laura and the church who weren’t under investigation.  On September 2, 2008 the government and Weinland reached a settlement on the issue of the summonses, with the government agreeing to drop tax year 2008 from the summonses.  The government did not agree to remove Laura or the church from their investigation.  Since the indictment charges Ron with a count for tax year 2008, the government must have reissued the summonses for 2008 transactions after Ron’s 2008 income tax filing was due (but not made).  In the end, the only thing Ron’s filing of the motion accomplished was to bring the criminal investigation to public view in 2008  — and this was a result of his own court filing which is a public record (the IRS is prohibited from publicizing investigations).

From the recent filings we also learn more about the government’s case.   The discovery provided is over 5000 pages and covers bank and credit card account transactions through numerous personal and church accounts.  The case against Weinland is based on an analysis of those transactions to assess whether they were legitimate church expenses or should have been treated as Ron’s personal income on which he would have been required to pay taxes.  As part of this assessment, the government conducted interviews of Ron and other individuals associated with the church.  One of those individuals would have been Audra Little, Ron’s daughter and the church bookkeeper.  Audra tried to evade answering any questions from the IRS and had to be ordered to do so in federal court during November of 2009.  The defense is seeking to discover before trial not only the summary memoranda of the interviews of Audra and others, but also the rough notes made by government agents during the interviews.

At one point, Ron mentioned investigators asking questions of church members.  Besides Audra, I imagine that Terry Wrozek and Johnny Harrell were interviewed.  If Ron takes this to trial, I expect that the government’s case-in-chief during the trial will include not only government agents and analysts, but also various PKG members.  I wonder if they’ll be willing to answer the questions put to them when they believe that Ron could “breathe fire” on them to prevent their testimony.

34 Comments

  • randy terlecki says:

    good job mike
    this asshole lies so much he don’t know what he say’s i’m glad he’s not letting anyone pray for me are the rest of my family we all know right from wrong and don’t need any of his shit, what a nut, instead of jail he need to go in the nut house and his family needs to get way a way from him instead of him telling people not to pray for there family because he got them all brian washed. nothing he says did happen or never will happen.

  • J says:

    Over 5000 pages of discovery???? Someone please send the investigators a gift basket for their dedication.

    I would think that the trial date makes things even worse for Ron. He has to juggle the trial, the likely conviction, the likely sentencing AND prophetic backpedaling at the same time. Mike, do you think the trial will wrap in mid-April? Didn’t the original statement say the expected trial time was 1-2 weeks? With that much discovery, can they finish it that quickly?

    I’d love to hear some PKG testimony about this stuff. Such as explaining Ron’s instruction to take equity out of their homes and not worry about paying the next year’s taxes.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Well, the investigation has gone on for 3 & 1/2 years now. So 5000 pages of discovery isn’t so much.

    The federal court doesn’t have jurisdiction over false prophecy. And stoning isn’t a legal punishment in this country. But if Weinland tries to score any points by claiming to be a man of the cloth, I hope the government counters with this type of thing.

  • J says:

    *Actually, I think he mentioned cashing out 401Ks and retirement funds, not home equity, and to not worry about tax next year.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Once again, Prophet Slayer Mike is on the case. Kudos!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    In a post last month I linked to a YouTube video with Ron saying that. Here it is:

  • J says:

    The federal court doesn’t have jurisdiction over false prophecy. And stoning isn’t a legal punishment in this country. But if Weinland tries to score any points by claiming to be a man of the cloth, I hope the government counters with this type of thing.

    I wasn’t referring to his ministry as a whole, but the stuff relevant to tax evasion, such as his often-played comments about not worrying about taxes the subsequent year. If his position as a minister involved him hinting at tax evasion, then I would call his false prophecies relevant to the government’s case. Seems reasonable to get motive out of that.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Can you imagine all the lies the members will have to say to try and save the jerks butt. I know they will have to lie about certain things because if not Ron will be burned for sure. They should know how to do that they have heard it everytime Ron’s speaks.
    I’m with you cuz.. I don’t even want them praying for me.. YIKES!! A cult praying for us. Now that is scary dude…
    Thanks for the update Mike.. I feel like we should be paying you for this or something. 🙂 Really though this is a full time job trying to keep up with the looney tune.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    There is noting in the Bible about the Witnesses being tested or going through trials. In fact it is the opposite. They are supposed to be running around shocking the world with their activities. It is Ron;s duty according to the Bible to NOT be put on trial, at least without revealing the power of God and burning/smiting his enemies. And Laura is supposed to be doing this too.

    FAILs all around.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    If the members get involved and start making up stuff to save Ron, they will be guilty of perjury, especially since MIke (DDTFA) has kept such a great record of Ron’s doings. The judge and jury will be able to tell if someone is making a mistake or intentional distorting the truth. Either way, Ron comes out looking bad if his sheeple either (a) get his teachings all wrong and (2) perjure themselves.

    Could be quite the show!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    MIKE. Just watched the video.. AWESOME!! OMGOSH!! I forgot about most of that. He was talking about that for a long time.. Knowing some people who did what he said, I wonder how they are doing financially now. Even using charge cards because they honestly didn’t think they would be paying on it. (dishonest wouldn’t you say) Talk about Stupid.. And they are still in PKG. Ron, Laura, family and certain friends are still enjoying the fruits of the giving of members.. I wonder how **** and ** are enjoying their Big screen tv now and new computers. Just charge it..!!!!

  • J says:

    There is noting in the Bible about the Witnesses being tested or going through trials. In fact it is the opposite. They are supposed to be running around shocking the world with their activities. It is Ron;s duty according to the Bible to NOT be put on trial, at least without revealing the power of God and burning/smiting his enemies. And Laura is supposed to be doing this too.

    FAILs all around.

    You know Avalo, you and I have often disagreed, but you’ve been batting a 1.000 for some time now. 😉

    Also, if Ron were truly a prophet, you’d think he’d see his semi-failure of the date change request ahead of time. By moving it to March instead of July like he wanted, he’s actually making it worse on himself than the original January trial date. That’s a lot to juggle in a space of just two months.

  • J says:

    Now that I think about it……why isn’t Laura also a defendant? Do they have separate finances and file taxes separately? You have to much more tax when you’re married, filed separately. If they file jointly, then they would be liable jointly for the evasion charges. “Innocent Spouse Relief” doesn’t seem to have come up.

    If they do file separately, then that shows to me that this has been premeditated for some time, and they have been keeping separate finances to mitigate risk.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well, just because we are completely opposite in our theology doesn’t mean we can’t rally together and oppose a man we BOTH know the be a theological failure based on both of our belief sets! Maybe we will never be rid of organized Christianity in its despicable forms, but as a Christian and an atheist I think we and world would all be better off without Ronald Weinland!! LOL!

    I can envision a world where REAL Christians and REAL atheists live together peacefully. And blocking Ronald Weinland is a good step in that direction.

  • J says:

    Well, just because we are completely opposite in our theology doesn’t mean we can’t rally together and oppose a man we BOTH know the be a theological failure based on both of our belief sets!

    His own too! Though he chooses to ignore that.

  • jack635 says:

    Regarding Ronald’s criminal trial for tax evasion, it seems that it will start in late March. We have all been waiting for the end of Ronald Weinland’s false prophecies to be May 27th, but perhaps the judge will end this nonsense sooner. Oh how I hope Ron does not qualify for a Governor Blagowich style delay in reporting to prison after being sentenced.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    But I hope He DOES qualify for a Rod Blagojevich-style sentence…14 years in prison!

  • I think we and world would all be better off without Ronald Weinland!!

    [begin sarcasm]

    That’s one view, but if you consider all the unbelievable nutty people in the world, perhaps Ronald Weinland is exactly what we need.

    You see with all the weak minded denizens of the shallow end of the gene pool, perhaps we need a ruthless predator (he married Laura, not Ruth) to viciously preoccupy these deficient losers to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool.

    Oh sure, we might not like Tasmanian Devils, wolves and poisonous asps, but just think of what would happen if they didn’t exist: The world would be overrun by stupid bleating sick dying wounded, tenuously holding on to life, gasping for every breath of air.

    Yes, it’s true that Ronald Weinland will let them live on in greater misery, but he’s so weakened the livestock that they won’t be able to reproduce in three or four generations, thus putting an end to dysfunctional DNA strands.

    So you see that in the final analysis, FP rotten is doing the world a service of corralling the stupidity in one stockyard (of many) and diminishing the impact of the annoying borderline behavior of those with distorted perception.

    It may seem harsh, but in the end, it will make humanity stronger.

    [end sarcasm]

  • jack635 says:

    But I hope He DOES qualify for a Rod Blagojevich-style sentence…14 years in prison!

    Avalo, Wesley Snipes got three years for tax evasion. Ron should get prison time cause he’s not famous.

  • Whisper01 says:

    And all that is needed is just several months behind bars. That would put a dent in Ron’s escapades. Not being able to spew sermans, rule over a church, communicated at will, etc… With Ron out of the picture and everyone knowing that he’s in Federal Prison this might break some of the chains Ron has looped over his sheeples. Break some away from the heard, form more cracks in his mental prophecy prison that they, the sheep, are penned in.
    Who would take over the sermans? Who would have the power? Who would control the money? Could Laura speak?
    How could Ron give this over to anyone when he trusts no one.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I expect that Ronnie would have his evangelists try to hold it together. Johnny has the charisma of a rock. Wayne is a big cheerleader but he’s in Australia. And Terry, well I wouldn’t count on much from Terry.

  • jack635 says:

    Or Laura could record Ron’s phone calls from prison, then put them on the internet for a sermon. Paul wrote letters while in chains and fetters and likewise Ron can speak prophecies while caged in prison. An angel will not open the doors and let Ron walk out. Ron’s fellow inmates will not lower him over the wall in a basket. He will have to stay put and rub elbows with thugs and thieves, unless he requests protective custody. In that case he will be rubbing elbows with rapists, child molesters, bad cops, and lawyers.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I don’t think it will be ‘elbows’ that he will be rubbing…

  • randy terlecki says:

    HAHAHA good one Avalokiteshvara!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Long day. Was glad to get home and read Avalo’s comment.. that perked me up.. VERY FUNNY!! haha You are on your toes for sure..
    I can picture it now…

  • Atrocious says:

    Nah…icky visual…unless he’s rubbing his jaw after a punch.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Well Atro. If he starts telling the inmates he is God, I am sure he will be rubbing his jaw ALOT!! Ron is going to get mocked like crazy..
    Avalo meant head area.. so you are close.

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Laura is probably hoping for jail time for Ronnie – she will be free to peruse her greatest passion – young men.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    So Kirrily, you noticed she liked to hang around young (really young) men too? The thing is, I thought she felt she was “all that”. Only she thought it. Did you notice she didn’t talk to pretty women very much. As humble as I try to be, I was one of those women she didn’t talk to. 🙂

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    She sure took a fancy to my husband. He was an ‘unbeliever’ (but supportive of me), and on the day I was baptized she wouldn’t leave him alone. She even asked him if he would like to go to services!!!

  • martin says:

    So, let me get this straight.

    Ronald Weinland is a liar and a thief, not to mention a major hypocrite.
    and Laura Weinland is a cougar on the prowl?

    These two imbeciles are the Two Witnesses?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I wonder why Ronald Weinland is the only one charged?
    I wonder how Ronald Weinland came to be on the IRS radar screen?
    Hmmm. Any clues in the comments above?

  • The Apostle test: Prove your humility; give three examples.

    Some how I believe that FP rotten feels that he need not respond to anyone here — that we are all beneath him.

    But if he did respond, I believe that he would answer the challenge of proving his humility.

    Unfortunately, he is too arrogant to believe that he would ever need to.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, Ron did respond to one of my blog posts. About 3 years ago, responded to one of my posts in a sermon, about his $381,000 house. Didn’t show a lick of humility.