The Sixth Thunder Sounds Among the Scattered

The December 20 issue of “The Journal” is out.  This publication has editorial comment directed mainly to those former members of the Worldwide Church of God who attend various splinters.  False Prophet Ronald Weinland refers to it as “The Urinal” and has not joined the various kooks in presenting even odder variations of Armstrongism in paid editorial content in the publication’s “Connections” section.

This latest issue has an article on the indictment of Ronald Weinland.  Usually only the first and last pages are provided online, but for this issue the entirety is provided in PDF format on “The Journal” website.  The article about Ronnie (which begins on the front page) cites various “news outlets” as mentioning that he is “is accused of attempting to evade income taxes in the amount of $357,065 over several years beginning in 2005. Mr. Weinland is a minister of the Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God (CGPKG).”  Right after the awkward initialism for Weinland’s church, which while it isn’t what Ronnie uses is at least closer than Thielogical Bob’s “CGPFK”, “The Journal” refers to “Pastor General Weinland”.  While he operates with the same government structure (autocratic rule with a weak Council of Elders that can be removed by disfellowshipping them) and has the same mind-bending powers within his little CoGlet as did the original Pastor General Herbert Armstrong, Weinland has never adopted the title “Pastor General”.

“The Journal” has demonstrated poor journalistic skills.  Not only did they get the initialism and the title wrong, they left out information that was readily available through public sources. Such as the Swiss bank accounts and that he is accused of taking church funds.  The US Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky put out a press release with more details.  And Weinland responded several weeks ago to the charges in a public manner on his own blog.  Simple Google searches would have turned that information up.  While “The Journal” didn’t publish that information, they did take editorial space to give out the PKG contact information.

Weinland prophesies that his church will grow to include a tithe of a third of “the scattering” (or around 3000 people baptized in WCG as of Tkach’s apostasy of December 1994).  Perhaps he thinks “The Journal’s” putting his contact information will help.  And that the First Phase of the Fifth Thunder is beginning to sound.  Thielogical Bob has a copy of Rod Meredith’s latest letter on his website.  (Bob, note that I provided a link to your content even though you never do when you take content from my website, you arrogant p___k.)  In this letter Rod states:

Brethren, more than in any time I can remember, literally dozens of our members and ministers are in “dire straits” physically. Up and down the East Coast, especially at here at Headquarters, at least seven individuals that I happen to know about are in life threatening situations—mostly from cancer. Just this morning, interestingly, I received an email from one of our leading members, Syd Attenborough, telling about the death of two CGI elders. One of the men I had known, Dennis Lawrence. The other I had not known but am very sorry for his death and the death of all of God’s people who perhaps have to die prematurely. So these two elders have died just within the last several days. A number more of our own people may die within the next several months unless we—as a Church—cry out to God to please intervene more powerfully to heal His own people!

Rotten Ronnie may point to this as the beginnings of the Fifth Thunder, which is the deaths of CoGlet ministers which is to drive their flocks bleating in Ronnie’s direction.  Not so fast Ronnie.  None of the five specific ministers you prophesied have died, including the author of that letter who is 81 years of age and has suffered a stroke in recent years.  And was the first person you prophesied to die during your Fifth Thunder.  Guess again, Ron.  You’re going to have to wait awhile for those 2700 additional people — quite awhile.

45 Comments

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    If “The Journal” thinks it didn’t have the editorial space for more details on the story of Weinland’s accused misdeeds, I call BS. It had the room for a large banner in the middle of page 7 for these pearls of wisdom:

    Fred Coulter, on DVD, said: ‘Without faith it is impossible to
    please God. That’s why God never answers the atheists.’

    Huh??? Say what??? Avalo, no wonder God hasn’t blessed you.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Speaking of atheists, “The Journal” also had room for a lengthy article by Velvet Delorey. Velvet formerly claimed to be an atheist and posted on CoG-related forums including this one variously as “Aggie” or “Purple Hymnal”.

  • Matt says:

    My word, Aggie! I found it hard to believe that she wandered back into the sheep-pen and closed the gate behind her.

  • Mike, thank you for the update — I had wondered whether Dixon Cartright had the B___s to print anything about false prophet rotten ronnie because Cartright is a spineless wimpy P__e as THE apologist for everything Armstrongism Abusive.

    He will be featured prominently in the upcoming “Misery of the Ages”.

    Not to worry — false prophet rotten ronnie will be there too.

    Honestly, I just can’t see the appeal of being the apologist for psychopathic scoundrel con men: Carrying the stress of the responsibility of exlaining away the evil and make it look so innocent like newly fallen snow covering a garbage dump could easily lead to a stroke or a heart attack, especially when you absolutely KNOW you are writing such lovely things about narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths and nutjobs. Can anybody explain to me why anyone would do it?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Writing a book, Douglas? I like your title.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike put this in that :Fred Coulter, on DVD, said: ‘Without faith it is impossible to
    please God. That’s why God never answers the atheists.’

    I don’t know who Fred Coulter is, but this is hogwash. If this man is a preacher or what ever he is, FRED is as wrong as wrong can be. Personally, I believe God knows us and being Athiest does not stop God from knowing our needs whether we pray or not.
    It is people like Ron, Manson, Jones, etc… who God will shake his head at.

    Speaking of Charles Manson, I was speaking to a friend of mine about Ron and what garbage I was in. Well, I talked to her a couple times on it, and she wanted me to tell Ron and his followers, “Even Manson had followers”.. I guess she was saying, many men can fool people into following them on God behalf.. Now they are the crazy ones.
    By being on this blog I have learned the difference Avalo has posted on Athiest (who really don’t understand Atheism) and real Atheist. I guess one could say that about Christians too. There are people who say they are Christian and in the heart really aren’t christian at all, and then there are true believers. Not perfect at all and we know our sins, but we still know also we are human and try our best.

    So Avalo, I think yo are pretty safe. Look how happy you and your family are. NOW I say you have been blessed, YOU say it is just because.. I say the blessings you have are from God. YOU say I am nuts.. 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike, I remember Ron saying as I got out, people would die of cancer from the inside out. Who was he exactly talking about? Do you remember? I thought is was the preachers of the splinter group?
    Really Mike don’t you think that is just an AWEFUL thing to preach.? Well I know you do.. That is so sick. Cancer or any illness that bad is such a sick thing to preach for someone to have. Well of course the idiot would preach cancer. How common is that. Why didn’t he pick a disease that wasn’t very common at all. DAH!!
    Does that mean my mom died from lung cancer because Ron said so?
    And what curse was stowed upon you? Now really isn’t this just a sick thing teach your followers…
    I pray what goes around comes around with that evil man…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Maybe the one you heard was on the competing CoGlet ministers. The cancer from the inside out curse was bestowed on me, and anyone else who mocked Ron. Here is his version of April 2008.
    http://youtu.be/Womp0P353Ns

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    OMGOSH!!! Watching that I didn’t know whether to laugh my butt off, or puke in disgust.. I almost forget just how sick he was to listen to. Thanks for the reminder. haha
    How can anyone listen to him and says he is of God. Yeah, right, God told him that. Doesn’t Ron realize we are not mocking God, but RON who pretends to be God and prophet and what ever else he claims to be. I just don’t understand what God he is suppose to be. I honestly can say this with all my heart and being, Ron does not preach of my God. This RON will for sure be so sorry one day for his evil doings and sayings. Using God the way he does makes me ill.
    So in other words Mike, he is saying if we Mock Ron and his followers then we are mocking God? Man, he is not human. What planet was he born on? I am serious.
    So he can say these bad things about you and you have no right to defend your self with the Truth?
    You give truth Mike, and I totally think you are a good and loving person. Which Ron doesn’t know the meaning.. He never had it when I was in.. He NEVER glowed in love that I could see.
    And yet he thinks he teaches it.. I don’t think so.. In other words I will die also of cancer. Well the odds aren’t in my favor anyway. Family genes.. plus that is life. We will all die someday..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I meant to say, the odds are in my favor of me getting cancer.

  • Atrocious says:

    If you view his god as being satan then, yes, he makes perfect sense. Listen to it again and every time he says “god”, put the word “satan” in it’s place. Then he will make sense.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I will certainly do that Atro. Then I will understand his lingo better. 🙂

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    YEP!! It worked Atrocious.. and Ron is right. He is given a very unique job. Like the rest of Satans people everywhere..

  • “Misery of the Ages” — yes, I am writing the online PDF Flipping book. The cover looks an awfully lot like “Mystery of the Ages”. It is overdue for about 6 months, but I keep getting such great info, I have to keep rethinking it, particularly the first part.

    Should be out within a month or two… I hope.

    The cover is at http://dnarefutesbi.com/ if you scroll down a bit and it is under “British Israelism is abusive”.

  • J says:

    Fred Coulter, on DVD, said: ‘Without faith it is impossible to
    please God. That’s why God never answers the atheists.’

    How could God answer atheists, if atheists (by their very definition) wouldn’t be asking God for anything? Derrrrr.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well, as the resident atheist, I don’t pray. So J is correct, Fred is an idiot for not seeing the contradiction in his words. Two, I am always interested int he fact that people like Fred think they know the mind of a god who has the power to create gravity. I question Fred’s spiritual credentials.

    Scientists are held to extremely high standards. They are ethically obligated to test their findings as hard as possible before making a claim, publishing the results along with the form of testing done so that others can repeat the tests to independently confirm the results. When something is proven to be true, then it is safe for people to believe/act on that fact that until we advance in understanding/technology.If God is real, or there are facts about his existence, a scientist will believe it if he/she is not biased or emotional bound to a falsity.

    So here is the point: If God is real, and He/She created the Universe, then I am a true believer of that God since what I know to be true of the world is true of God. If God is real, but has not revealed himself/herself to the world, the knowledge of that world is the TRUEST thing we can know of that God, since we don’t have to take it on FAITH that the average giraffe weighs X pounds, or gibbons need at least X grams of calcium a day in their diet to be a healthy ape. So let us look at two statements:

    a. “Without faith it is impossible to please God. That is why God never answers the prayers of atheists.”

    b. “Atheist scientists have discovered the formula for and created a pill that lowers blood pressure.”

    Ask yourself, which of these statements is more true of a God we can’t know? Which gives Him/Her more glory? Acting on truth or proclaiming that God never answers the prayers of atheists? One is true, the other is conjecture. Is God a lover of scientific truth seekers, or those who ascribe him qualities?

  • Matt says:

    What makes me boggle is that the guy seems to think religiosity is about getting God to do you favours like a sort of mafia boss?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I would like to thank the atheist scientists for inventing the pill that has lowered my blood pressure, reducing the chances that I’ll die from the inside and seemly prove Weinland’s death curse.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Matt: I think you are right on with that statement.

    Fred claims that God “cannot” be X, or God “never” does X. If God can change Ron’s prophecies every five days, I think “God” can change anything. The history of the OT and NT is ALL change. jesus is the ultimate change, thus Jews reject him. yahweh is THE most inconsistent deity in folklore. Loki is always a Norse trickster, Aphrodite was always the Goddess of Love, Brahma is always the Creator/Vishnu the maintainer/Shiva the destroyer. Say what you will about Vishnu, but he is everything he says he is, no matter what form he took, Krishna or otherwise. It is complete and utter stupidity to claim that yahweh exists and that yahweh can “never” X, or Y considering the Biblical accounts of him, Exodus 21: 7 being a great example of how God is “Love” AND permits the selling of your own daughter.

    I utterly and totally reject yahweh, based on the evidence provided by the Bible. I accept the theoretical possibility of a god/goddess/god-thing based on the current mysteries of science. Then, if what I know to be true through scientific testing turns out to be the work of a creative god, I will accept the conditions of that god’s existence, and even “worship” that god if worship is the appropriate response. Ask yourself now, who do you think “god” would be more pleased with? Conjecture or true faith?

    I may not wave a tambourine and speak in tongues…but I am not walking around telling everyone Yahweh is a God of Love who sells girls…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Velvet Delorey too is an example of a hypocritical “atheist”. Her atheism wasn’t consistent. And that is the operative word with Yahweh, and everything else in life. Scientific facts are consistent with their conditions. yahweh changes every two chapters!! Scientific change is consistent with reality and intellectual development. With every new scientific development, yahweh is seen as less consistent. Thus, I become more of an atheist (in terms of yahweh) as the days and years go by.

    Velvet was never an atheist, just yet another theist angry with God, having a spiritual tantrum. Most young “atheists” use atheism as an excuse to do what they want, since “God doesn’t exist”. You can’t claim “God doesn’t exist” without rejecting that God entirely as a possibility. Thus I believe yahweh doesn’t exist because the conditions of his existence are contradictory. He is NOT loving and a murderer simultaneously, and if he is then I am more moral than that God and thus should not worship it or support its divinity. If Yahweh is possible, then the possibility of his existence according to the Bible makes him evil, contradictory, and deceitful. I would then also reject a REAL Yahweh as well as an imaginary one. Yahweh to me is not real on HIS terms, not mine.

    Velvet Delorey was a theist looking for a new version of God. I am an atheist who has made himself into a successful man on his own terms. If some real or imaginary god wants to bless me I accept it. But my pet cat, my children, and my wife bless me every day with their presence and their love…and THAT is REAL. I can believe that. I can trust that. I can act confidently on that knowledge. I spent decades living with my wife out of wedlock. It worked for us because I believed in my wife, I knew she could be trusted with telling me the truth, no matter how much I liked or disliked that truth. Especially the dislike! LOL!

    My cat is only interested in two things from me, food and affection (when she wants it). But she is consistent. She purrs and snuggles with me, but like any cat, 90% of the time it is a means to an end. But I love her dearly becuase she is telling the truth. She is a creature, and is using her instincts to creating a working relationship with me. She purrs and listens to me go on about troubles at work, then I am expected to give her what she wants (within reason).

    Even my cute little fluffy cat is more consistent than the God of Abraham!!

  • Atrocious says:

    Have a very Merry Christmas everyone…or if you prefer, Happy Holidays all! Enjoy your time off from work and have a wonderful time gathering with family/friends/coworkers/etc. Have a drink on me and hug your pet.

  • Jocko says:

    Wonder is Ron is planning anything special for his Christmas eve Sabbath service from Richmond. Hope he hears plenty of Christmas music from the minute he steps off the plane. (Airport, rental car agency, restaurant, etc, etc, etc) Three etc’s for emphasis.

  • I may not know much, but it just seems like Velvet Delorey is a prime example of the chaos and confusion that Herbert Armstrong brought to our lives and con artists like false prophet ronald weinland continue: Lies all dressed up as irrefutible truths undermining sanity.

    Some of you may remember Peter Falk decades ago playing the detective, Lieutenant Columbo, on the TV show Columbo: The Columbo character gave us a truism worth remembering: “Every time I feel confused, it’s because someone is lying to me”.

    The problem stems from deceptions which seem so reasonable.

    The basis of deception of the Armstrong Delusion is the wrong gospel: He changed the gospel from the one the Church of God Seventh Day taught (and teaches today). It is a gospel embedded in the majority of the religions in Christianity. Herbert Armstrong preached the gospel of the Kingdom of God and changed it from the gospel of redemption. Once he did that, everything followed: The Church Corporate with God as CEO, Jesus Christ as Chairman of the Board, Herbert Armstrong as President (Chancellor / Pastor General, commanding the host of heaven), and the grand hierarchy mobilized to aggrandize the entire Corporate operation with Herbert Armstrong as being the greatest representative on the face of the earth — virtually a God as God is God — so important that no other human being could match his lofty power and grandiose position.

    He went on to fabricate an entire mythology complete with false prophecies based on British Israelism and a faux history of the church.

    Everything was a lie.

    He lied to us and then took our money.

    The premises upon which he based his superstructure of the house of cards of deception looked unassailable, because once someone accepts the root foundational ideas, everything looked logical without any gaps: He devised an explanation for everything for which no one, apparently could dismantle because no one seemed to be able to strike at the foundation of the Armstrong Delusion.

    2011 was a banner year to change all that: For the first time, there was gathered together in one place the evidence that British Israelism is crap. In spite of what Dixon Cartright has stated, there is no more foundation upon which to base Armstrongism because it has been thoroughly wiped. Moreover, the preachments of the doctrine of the church eras is utter nonsense and even the CoG7 acknowledges that. Without the manufactured fabricated history of the supposed church eras, the entire foundation of Armstrongism crumbles to dust. And now we have the proof that Herbert Armstrong preached an heretical gospel which cannot be supported by Scripture.

    It’s surprising that everyone missed all that, but no matter, onward to 2012: The Fall of the Stupid Sects (the book cover of which you will see January 1st, 2012, if you continue to follow MikeyForPresident.Wordpress.com — and be sure to catch the opening of the new The Supreme Cult website on Xmas). 2012 is the year of the cleanup.

    Cleanup?

    Yes, cleanup.

    Velvet Delorey represents the emotional component of the fraud committed by Herbert Armstrong. Yes, we can logically and factually completely destroy the Armstrong Delusion but the feelings of community spawned by an artificial fabrication of a social order are difficult to deny. It is the divorce from that comfortable warm cesspool in which we did laps with other people which traps us in the quicksand of corruption which we can’t even smell any more. It stinks of course, but we became so focused on making it all work — comrades at arms fighting together an imaginary enemy, not unlike George Orwell’s novel, 1984. We can’t let the enemy win — or so we thought. Unfortunately, we did not see the real enemy was the narcissistic ego of Herbert Armstrong, now displaced to the narcissistic sociopathic egos of so many of the spit-offs which just happens to include the very small false prophet rotten ronald weinland.

    Working our way out of the cult is a lot more difficult than it may appear to those who have switched to atheism (after all, if there is no God at all, what’s your problem?). After doing research for over a year to find the best resource for recovery, I personally have found no better resource than Take Back Your Live: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias. They know what they are talking about and have effective methods for dealing with the transition from crap to gold.

    It’s good to have transition aids, such as this blog, for it substitutes for the “lost” community (which never really existed because it was artificial). Think of it as a Nicoderm patch while recovering from the addiction to smoking. You may need it for awhile because some are just not ready to go “Cold Turkey”. Yes, Rational Recovery does work (rational.org), but it’s, shall we say, rather bracing.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Douglas, I wish that it were as simple as you put it: that 2011 was the year in which Armstrongism was mortally wounded and that 2012 will just be the cleanup. But I’m afraid that most people won’t be convinced by your arguments. A made-up mind is the toughest thing there is. PKG is a prime example, with all of Ron’s prophesies failing miserably yet people still believing every lame explanation that comes out of his lying mouth. But there will be a few who benefit and make your efforts worthwhile. I have a feeling that there will be a need for this “transition aid” blog well after May 27 of next year.

  • Granted. 2012 will be the cleanup… and so will 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020….

    It’s not over until it’s over.

    So there will be a need for this blog and all the rest of the blogs and websites beyond 2012, but the hucksters will have to fight an increasingly losing battle, particularly if there’s a conviction with prison sentence and other events like Roderick Meredith dying occur.

    I suspect that from now on, we will begin to see the fruit of our labor begin to fulfil its promise.

    But then, I did say I dmay not know much at the very beginning, didn’t I?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I would hate to see Meredith or Weinland die. I am still hoping for a big theological cage match, if/when someone other than Ronnie also reveals they are a Witness!

  • jack635 says:

    attempting to evade income taxes in the amount of $357,065

    Awesome! $357,065 is a truly awesome amount. Truly, truly awesome.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Even more awesome when you consider that $357065 is 28% of the income the IRS says that he didn’t pay taxes on. Do the math.

  • jack635 says:

    I figured from the amount the IRS wanted, he took around a million. Speaking of millions, I better check my lotto ticket. It was 50 million last night. And Ron is so irritating I’ve stopped listening to his sermon. I’m gonna play hot wheels and watch cartoons.

  • I would hate to see Meredith or Weinland die. I am still hoping for a big theological cage match, if/when someone other than Ronnie also reveals they are a Witness!

    It’s funny because I was thinking that Roderick Meredith really needed is to compete in an Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) live televised match to prove his fitness, manhood and reputation based upon his winning the Golden Gloves Championship of his youth. It would be time to rumble and to put up or shut up.

    But your idea can be incorporated into this: Have Weinland and Meredith compete live on the UFC to see who wins. I think I know, but you know, you can never really know.

    This would be good, because Boxing is the only “sport” I know of which officially fought with the goal of doing brain damage to your opponent. Oh, sure, there are a lot of other contact sports, like Basketball, where brain damage is routinely done to the opponent, but Boxing is the only one where it is officially the goal to do brain damage so your opponent passes out from a concussion. It’s brutal, bloody and barbaric, which is probably why Meredith brags so much about doing it. It’s clear he’s taken the “sport” to the Armstrongist Churches of God by using the Nimrod strong-arm (or Armstrong, if you prefer) tactics to bully his members into submission to win their adoration for his following from which he extracts money as the prize. All the components are there: The promotion, the payments for ring side seats, the battles, the posturing — all done in a religious venue.

    The winner of the bout goes on to fight the UFC for the championship. Again, I think I know how this would turn out, but again, you never really know: It’s like quantum mechanics where the thing doesn’t resolve itself until it is observed. The bloody, battered, bashed loser has to publicly acknowledge his loss and congratulate the winner. If it’s an ACoG minister, they have to promise never to be the head of a church again.

    The loser of the bout has to forfeit the right to even enter the church he founded ever again, to mark him once for all as the loser he really is. In addition, he has to apologize to everyone for being a false prophet, or will be forced contractually to fight the current UFC champion.

    As barbaric as all that seems, it has a rather fair symmetric justice to it and gives credence to the Scripture speaking about the ungodly being beaten with many stripes.

    I figure if Roderick Meredith has so much pride in his past fisticuffs, he should be delusional enough to take on the challenge.

    You must admit that such a match has a lot of appeal. I know I’d pay good money to see it.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Uh-oh! Ronnie’s laying down the law on dating and re-marriage:

    The PKGers are NOT allowed to date or remarry before Christ returns on May 27th! Ron just laid it out for them at 12:00+. Ronald Weinland has spoken! Thou shalt not remarry or DATE before Jesus returns. Ronald Weinland has commanded it, even though Jesus NEVER said nor implied that concerning dating.

    One more heretical teaching from Ronald Weinland, one more anti-Christ proof…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    LMAO!!!!!!!!

    Ron forbids anyone to date a divorcee, date in general, and remarry, and then starts sermonizing about the ‘End of Tyranny’!!!

    Hilarious!! He is so. f**king. deluded.

  • excogger says:

    O mighty Ron ! May we use our bowels between now and May 27, or should we abstain? O MIGHTy Ron…. Ron……..? Oh, sh*t!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Uh-oh! Now Ronnie is saying that the Germans are Assyrians! HWA was totally wrong about that one. Any decent history book will tell you that the Assyrians are the Iraqis, and give proof of that. Germany is not the modern formation of Assyria and NEVER was. Notice how HA never gave any proof of his claim? And yet you can find proof of Assyria/Iraq if you look into it for more than five minutes?

    HWA lied, and now Ronnie is lying…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    What the heck is with these people? First Wayne says that a bat is a bird. Now Ron is talking about the German eagle being suggestive of the Assyrian eagle “with its ARMS stretched out”.

    Since when does an eagle have arms?

    Seriously. This guy can’t spot his own errors in basic Gr. 3 biology, and he is an End Time Witness? No way…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Makes sense now. Ronnie just used the word “nukular” like George W. Bush used to. Ron: it’s “nuclear”. Eagles have arms and America has “nukular” weapons.

    Idiot.

  • chacha says:

    What a big turd.

    That’s all i can say.

    He is a turd.

  • Mal says:

    The contributor who chooses to call himself ‘Avalokiteshvara’ said:

    “Uh-oh! Now Ronnie is saying that the Germans are Assyrians! HWA was totally wrong about that one. Any decent history book will tell you that the Assyrians are the Iraqis, and give proof of that. Germany is not the modern formation of Assyria and NEVER was. Notice how HWA never gave any proof of his claim? And yet you can find proof of Assyria/Iraq if you look into it for more than five minutes?

    HWA lied, and now Ronnie is lying…”

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    It doesn’t take long to find web information that supports HWA and RW’s position on the German/Assyrian connection.

    Here is one example. The website is not linked to any COG or to HWA.

    “No other nation’s history and national character resembles Germany more than does that of Assyria.

    Assur was worshiped as “the chief god of Assyria…the god of war” and represented as a “solar deity with a winged disc” (Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed., p. 788). Both the winged disc and the swastika were also used by the Hittites (Collier’s Encyclopedia, “Hittites”). The swastika is a symbol for the sun, power, energy, Thor’s hammer and the god of weather and storm (Dictionary of Symbols, Liungman, pp. 48–49, 178–179).

    The Hittites and Assyrians also used a double-headed eagle to symbolize the sky gods—storm, thunder and the sun. These symbols reappear in the culture of Germany, Prussia and especially the Third Reich. The Hittites (who were conquered and absorbed by the Assyrians) show definite linguistic and cultural links with two of the German tribes—Hessians and Prussians.

    Even more interesting are legends that Trier, the oldest city in Germany, was founded by Trebeta, the son of an Assyrian king named Ninus, in about 2000 BC (In Deutchen Landen, Bihl, p. 69). Many modern travel books mention an inscription on a historic house in Trier’s marketplace stating this Assyrian colony was founded 1,300 years before Rome.

    Arab writers of the Middle Ages also refer to the Germans as Assyrians. The links between Germany and Assyria can be found and are neither far-fetched nor imagined.”

  • Ryan says:

    Mike, he didn’t say that Roderick Meredith would be the very first one to die.

    “The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning.”

    This doesn’t say that ONLY those 5 would die in the beginning. There would probably indeed be lesser-known ones dying also whether before or after the big names dying.

    “The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God and the Church of the Great God. Then, those in the largest scattered group, who think they have escaped, will be lifted up to believe that God is with them because they are so filled with pride. But, when that happens, the deaths of many in the United Church of God will begin.”

    It says the most notable deaths early on, it doesn’t say the only deaths early on, and it doesn’t mention the leaders by name and in which order for each individual scattered Church group. Even if it happened in the order of the Churches, it doesn’t mean that Roderick Meredith with be the first to die among his Living Church Of God brethren. If you want to go by the order of what the book says, it says the most notable deaths will be the 2 remaining television presenters, it doesn’t even mention Roderick Meredith so there certainly isn’t an order there as to whom dies first in each Church group, but it first says that the presenters will be dying, so maybe those will perhaps comes first among those whom he has listed. What we know for sure is that the deaths in the United Church Of God will be largely held-off until those other mentioned Church groups have their deaths and United becomes lifted up with the pride of feeling like they have escaped this death-spiral. And yes, I do find it intriguing that Mr. Meredith says there hasn’t been a time when this many ministers were all close to death at the same time in so many areas. This phase of the 5th Thunder is beginning to rumble, especially the deaths of 2 ministers within a few days, and they happen to be in the Living Church Of God, that first scattered Church Group mentioned in “2008 – God’s Final Witness”.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    He makes it clear that Rod Meredith and Richard Ames are to die before the other CoG leaders. So under this Richard Ames could die before Rod Meredith. Have either of them died??? NO.

    Tell me why these 5 CoG leaders didn’t ALL die BEFORE the 7th Seal supposedly opened. Here we are, less than 5 months before the non-return of Christ. And all you can do is nit pick. Stop this inane parsing looking for excuses. Tell me a single specific prophecy of Weinland’s that came to pass, exactly when he said it would, and exactly how he said. And no, the economy isn’t it. And no, the tsunami in Japan isn’t it.

  • jack635 says:

    (sound of Snoopy laughing)

  • jack635 says:

    Ryan, people die because they are old or diseased. If Ron had prophesied that two certain people were to die tomorrow morning before noon and they dropped dead tomorrow morning, that would be something completely different than taking the credit for something that happens five or ten years later.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    But Ron did prophesy these deaths along time ago — over 5 years ago. Five old men. And not a single one of them dead yet.

  • jack635 says:

    Yeah. That’s why Snoopy is laughing.

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