The Third Elijah-to-Come

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke this weekend from the luxurious Venetian Resort Hotel & Casino at his International Ministerial Conference in Las Vegas, Nevada.  But he didn’t state his location, so those few members who don’t read my blog don’t know where he is this weekend.  The 29 in attendance would have included: Ron and Laura, Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, Wayne and Chris Matthews, Terry and Ann Wrozek, Scott and Kristina Cameron, Audra and Chris Little, Adrian and Cindy Gray, Steve and Patty Dalrymple, William and Una Milne, Dave and Shelley Conley, Lori Williams, Mitch Williams, Jimmy Carlisle, Willem Henderson, Jim Jamieson, Ralph Dowd, Leonard McGlynn, and Greg Chipps.

Before beginning the sermon, he gave the name of elders newly ordained or promoted since the feast.  The lucky people are: Bert from Hawaii; Keith and Diana Prutsman, and Kathi Wilson from TN; Carla, Shirley, and Daisy from KY, Mike from IN, Amanda Wrozek and Nancy from MI with Greg Chipps promoted to Senior Elder; Parker in CO; Elmira Worth, George, Geneva, and Gabrielle Giles from GA with Paul Giles promoted to elder; Louisa from Manitoba with George Black  promoted to elder; Eric and Kaylee Wiesman from Alberta promoted to elder; Sandy Czech in WA promoted to elder, Sandy and Jimmy in OH, Cindy Gray from New Zealand promoted to elder, and Kristina Cameron from Colby, KS (Ron’s sister) promoted to senior elder.  These elders increase the ranks of those to be tasked with baptizing millions in the US before Christ returns in May.

Ron is looking again at his list of “truths”.  In his sermon, Ron tweaked his 51st truth about his being the end-time Elijah-to-come.  It was two years ago, in December of 2009, when Ron decided that he was the end-time Elijah-to-come supplanting Herbert Armstrong.  (You might find it interesting to follow that link and read several articles describing all the contradictions surrounding the 51st “truth”.) Now Ron has decided that he needed to add two sentences to it, which will be included in the text of the “truth” on the website.  The apostles got much from Christ, but Herbert Armstrong had so much more.  And Ronald Weinland has so many more new revealed, not just restored, truths than Herbert Armstrong.  No doubt Ronald will still be happy to have Christ come on May 27 and take off the pressure by demoting him again.

Seventeen years ago yesterday, Joe Tkach Sr opened the first seal and committed the abomination of desolation in a sermon delivered in Atlanta.  Seventeen years ago this coming Saturday, he reprised the sermon at the church college in Big Sanday, that sermon being the one that was recorded and sent to all WCG congregations and was the one referred to as the “Christmas Eve” sermon (not the one in Atlanta).

Five years ago yesterday, newly ordained elder Kathi Wilson’s son Tony posted the following on the now withdrawn Ambassador Watch blog:

I know alot of you are rambling on and on about mental illness, delusions of grandeur, false prophecies, etc. etc.

I’m a man who knows Ronald Weinland. I’ve known him for multiple years. If there is one thing that I can say about him it is that he is far from insane and he is far from egotistical. In fact Ronald Weinland is one of the most down to earth individuals I’ve ever met.

This whole forum is dedicated to bitterness and frankly it reeks of a spirit not inspired from above. Just look at all the bloated hatred you all spew in every which way. Regardless of your opinion, pro or con, shouldn’t a Christian attitude be one of sympathy and concern instead of bitterness?

A lot of bad things have happened in the various COGs, I’ve spent years researching it and digging to the bottom of it all to wrap my brain around it. Sadly, the history is filled with individuals like those here on this forum dedicated not to any semblance of decency but simply tearing down (and if the truth stands in your way, who cares?)

If you want to talk about his book, why don’t you actually read it so you won’t appear so foolish along with full of blind hatred? You’ll see that he’s not in the same mold as Herbert W. Armstrong- he deviates from a lot of his positions on prophecy. He also addresses the foolish “No man knows the day or the hour” statement (If Christ is opening the seven seals of Revelation, wouldn’t he now know a timeline?)

If you want actual prophecies- read the book. He’s stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh). If that’s not a specific prophecy, what is? And obviously there’s not a whole lot of time to wait for that fulfillment.

And what are you sad tormented souls going to do when your sources of entertainment are gone?

Ronald Weinland is a good and honest man, humble and dedicated to overcoming base human nature (you know, the one epitomized and displayed here by most present). And in the grand scheme of things, does anything else matter but that? Can any of you honestly claim similar?

Well, Tony, as far as whether I’m a good and honest man, I don’t have a horde of ex-cult members and family of current cult members who consider me the opposite of good.  Nor does the government have sufficient doubt of my honesty to indict me for criminal tax fraud.  Can you honestly claim the same about Ronald Weinland?

It’s five years later and none of the five individuals you mention have died.  Five years is a lot more than a whole lot of time for five old men to die to specifically verify God’s own end-time prophet as truly His representative according to the very test he himself defined.  What are you going to do with these revelations?  What are you going to do when Christ doesn’t return as prophesied by your spiritual idol next year on the Memorial Day weekend?

By the way, it was 3 years ago today that Ronald Weinland reissued his death curse against anyone who would mock him.  Here I am, still mocking away.  Since then, Ron has spiritualized the deaths of his mockers.  Personally,  I feel exactly the same spiritually.

108 Comments

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Had a couple of comments on the sermon made at another location before I could get around to posting this one (I DO have a life other than Weinland, I know that will disappoint Ron but too bad 😉 )

    Avalo said:

    Speaking of Ronald Weinland, in his new sermon he says THIS at about 26:20:”The disciples got to meet, eat, and travel with Christ…but that is nothing compared to what God gave Mr. Armstrong”.

    So let me get this straight: What God gave HWA was NOTHING compared to being the personal associate and disciple of the SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND? Ummm…Ron? I don’t think you should be reducing Christ to NOTHING compared to Herbert W. Armstrong, a con artist and incestuous pedophile. That may not be a spiritually sound thing to do considering you are TEACHING this to people as religious TRUTH…

    “…but that’s NOTHING COMPARED TO what God gave Mr. Armstrong…”

    In what f**king universe does the End Time Witness compared Christ and Herbert W. Armstrong and have HWA “win”?

    Jocko said:

    Avalo, I almost couldn’t believe what my ears were hearing yesterday when Ron made that comparison on what was given to HWA versus the disciples but then I remembered who I was listening to. With all the claims Ron’s made to date nothing he says should come as surprise to us anymore.

  • He’s stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh).

    You know, all these false prophets… it almost seems as though God is deliberately making it so every one of their prophecies fail.

    Ron Weinland predicted Rod Meredith will die first. Well, Rod Meredith just had his whole membership in the Living Church of God (the only Church of God with the name “Living” but is dead — it must be Sardis, then) fast for him that he have years more to abuse… uh… deliver false pro… um… do the Work. He might not be doing all that well with his diabetes, not being able to remember Scripture accurately and faltering in his Telecasts, but he lives on.

    I blame Ron Weinland.

    If only rotten ronnie had kept his mouth shut, Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh might be dead by now.

    Anyway, I’ve prayed for Roderick Meredith. I prayed that he be humbled, and, if it is God’s Will, that he accept his coming demise gracefully.

    And my prayers go out for Ronald Weinland in the same spirit.

    These con men do such damage.

  • Say, everyone: Just how do I go about getting Ronald Weinland to curse me?

    I want to tap into the benefits….

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Douglas, it’s automatic and preordained. All you have to do is mock Ron. You kind of just did, but if you ponder a bit I think you can be a bit more creative 😉

  • Mike, you mean blaming Ron Weinland for causing the prophecy of Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh to fail and mocking him thereby is not enough?

    I shall have to give this some serious thought.

    I shall look to your example for my success in this matter.

  • martin says:

    When Ronald predicted that the toxic oil spill would fulfill the bible prophecy of 1/3 of sea life dying, I knew it would get plug up and fixed. Sure enough, when Ronald made that statement, the leak was plugged….I think it was like a week after he made that statement.

    God makes liars out of false prophets.

  • J says:

    Congrats to all the newly ordained “elders”, the equivalent of receiving participation trophies for placing last place in little league soccer.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    In a strange way, you could argue that “God” might be following in Ron’s wake, fixing all the spiritual curses being thrown out. Everything that Ronald Weinland specifically says doesn’t come true…because God said to himself “Ah, crap! Here we go again!” I mean even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. Statically he has to get something right, even by accident.
    If I were religious I would be interested in the fact that he has been incorrect so consistently. Maybe that is the only way “God” can signal the CoGPKGers to run away, without unduly influencing their/human freewill.

    Ron is wrong to a degree that I would be willing to wage rather large sums of money on his predictions and prophecies being so.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Sometimes Ron will say something that sounds like he is leading up to a really good point about humility or Scripture. I’ll say to myself, “Oh, that’s interesting”, then he proceeds to completely mangle it and teach people to not to X, or don’t believe Y even though the Bible states the opposite.

    He is so completely worng, consistently, that I would suggest that of he has any ‘Spirit’ in him, it is not “God”‘s spirit. Maybe Ron’s complete contrariness is some sort of sign that “something” beyond our understanding exists, and whatever it is, it doesn’t like the Bible…

    Proof of Satan?

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Satan isn’t that stupid! 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Touche!! 🙂

    I find it fascinating how Ron is using the same ‘seduction to power’ trick that HWA used. What I mean by that is that God is creating a hierarchy on Earth to prepare for the building of his church, and that the members are now not just the congregation, but imbued with a spiritual authority that makes them “better” than the average church-goer. They are not believers now. They are fulfilling God’s commission and have now been promoted “spiritually”. Thy are fulfillers and thus can now “rightfully” view our opposition to them with pity. It is the oldest trick in the book for men who have had lots of success in seducing women into having sexual relations with them. You trick her into believing what you want from them is their “idea”. You butter up their ego and plant suggestive ideas and then they “logically” decide that “they” want to sleep with you.

    Ronald Weinland has got Earth Wind & Fire playing in the stereo, the wine is flowing, and his sheeple are sitting on the couch feeling “sexy”…

    Kirrily and Chacha wisely looked at their watches, yawned and went home…

  • Congrats to all the newly ordained “elders”, the equivalent of receiving participation trophies for placing last place in little league soccer.

    Hey, J, and now rotten ronnie has taken the team out for ice cream in Las Vegas for losing the last game — have to keep up their self-esteem, you know.

    Some of them may wonder why they get silver stars on their little “goodie” card instead of gold stars: The silver stars are for losers. Besides, rotten ronnie gets all the gold. I think it is called Krugerrands and they are kept off shore in a safety deposit box.

    I do hope that when rotten ronnie gets home to his kennel, his mother bites him.

    [How’d I do on the mocking? I’m new to this and cannot yet discern between mocking and flat out insults.]

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Douglas, if I may interject; allow me to demonstrate…I asked my family to ‘mock’ Ron and these are their responses.

    Daughter One: “Hey (Ronld Weinland), your name should be Mr. Poopy-Pants!

    Daughter Two: “Mr. Pee-Pants!!”

    Wife: “Oh he is so fat and no good person!”

    Now I, Avalokiteshvara, will ‘insult’ Ronald Weinland…

    “Ronald Weinland, you are the unwanted offspring of a sexual relationship between your mother and a (insert animal name here)…”

  • shortfriction says:

    … ”The disciples got to meet, eat, and travel with Christ…but that is nothing compared to what God gave Mr. Armstrong”.

    So let me get this straight: What God gave HWA was NOTHING compared to being the personal associate and disciple of the SAVIOUR OF ALL MANKIND? Ummm…Ron? I don’t think you should be reducing Christ to NOTHING compared to Herbert W. Armstrong, a con artist and incestuous pedophile. That may not be a spiritually sound thing to do considering you are TEACHING this to people as religious TRUTH…

    “…but that’s NOTHING COMPARED TO what God gave Mr. Armstrong…”

    In the sentence quoted, the disciples are the subject and Christ is the object. Meeting, eating, and travelling make up the predicate. The only logical way to interpret the end of the quote, then, is that HWA is being compared to the disciples, and what was given to HWA is being compared to what the disciples were given in being able to meet, eat eat and travel with Jesus Christ. Still bad, but even Ron is not stupid enough to suggest Christ was nothing compared to HWA (and, by extension, then even less than Ron).

  • shortfriction says:

    Oops, my bad. I misread the middle of Avalo’s quote. I see he wasn’t interpreting it the way I thought. Mike feel free to delete my comments.

  • Avalokiteshvara, I really appreciate your help, I really do.

    This is difficult though.

    I note that all of the responses you offer seem to be insults and not mockery so much. I suppose insults could be counted as mocking the bald false prophet, but it seems to me they fall short.

    I’m trying with the perfect balance of insult and mock all successfully bound into one sophisticated package.

    Here’s a pathetic example of the sort of thing I’m striving for: Even though Scripture says that “the world knows its own”, false prophet Ronald Weinland is so pathetic that he is of the world, but even they don’t acknowledge his existence.

    See — I think you have to deliver some “truth” which shows how abjectly deficient he is, especially in something he is proud of, and then twist it further into an insult.

    It would also seem useful to make it vaguely threatening to him personally as a failure.

    This seems to me that it will take much more thought and effort, particularly to raise it to the Master level that Mike (DDTFA) has.

    Maybe something else like, “Well at least Harold Camping has world infamy, but false prophet Weinland can’t even merit a fraction of a percent of attention as a would be pretender that Camping got! How pathetic is that!?!”.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Actually, it is MY fault, shortfriction. I am not a native English speaker from birth, so the “let me get this straight…” sentence should read “What God gave HWA was BETTER than being the personal associate of…”. I sometimes have a a brain fart or two in English and get my words mixed up. ‘My bad’. We agree on the basic principle, and I think that is clear from what we both wrote.

    God speaking to a man (supposedly) is quite amazing indeed. But to say the disciples actually being PHYSICALLY present to arrival of the Messiah, and thousand of people accepting/rejecting that Messiah in HIS presence? To see miracles? That is a MUCH BETTER story to me as an atheist than Yahweh whispering in HWA’s ear. I mean for heaven’s sakes! I get completely pissed off when people proclaim Christ through one side of their mouth then NEGATE him through the other. Praise Christ, preach Christ, dance around in a circle in your underwear for Christ, fine.

    But how can you possibly call me a sinner when you yourself reject Christ’s efficacy and significance? BS!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Douglas:

    You are indeed correct to see my words as mostly insults. I am a rather aggressive atheist, and have what I think are solid reasons for being one. I reject jesus’ divinity, and believe yahweh is imaginary. But where I personally fail as a moral being is when I engage in these attacks in an unwise manner. The Christian struggle is to truly embody Christ’s actions. In this regard I DO NOT hate you or wish to hurt you. I FULLY support your effort to realize the message and efficacy of Christ and the Holy Spirit. And I FAIL many times to support the just-ness of your efforts rather than the tenets on which you base those efforts. And I will CONTINUE to fail, but not by choice, rather I am not a “perfect” person. So I would like to encourage to not give up and keep on praying and studying the words of Jesus, and make your life a living path to of/to Christ. Make no mistake, I reject and will continue to reject what you believe, BUT see my attacks on your reasoning as a bracing tonic, or invigorating spiritual grappling that will make us both stronger and hopefully wiser in the process. You are a good person and I like your posts.

    Come, let us reason together..”

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo said: I mean for heaven’s sakes! I get completely pissed off when people proclaim Christ through one side of their mouth then NEGATE him through the other.

    Helen said: Amen.. I have been saying that for so long.Avalo. Of course because I am such a liberal Christian people may think I talk out of both sides of my mouth. It is just that I try and be an open minded Christian, so I guess if people don’t like it, they can shove it.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo, what you wrote 18:49. Another Amen Brother…. when you write some of the things you do it amazes me. Amazing to me how you can write such logical things you do.. I feel like a proud mama… 🙂

  • Avalokiteshvara, I suspect something has gotten lost in the translation. I have not come here to present my own religious ideas.

    I come here to mock false prophet ronald weinland and to help and support the people here as I can.

    Pretty much that which you may perceive as “my” religious message, I suspect is interpreting my abject flat-out aggressive satire and irony against Ronald Weinland, but I can certainly relate to the idea that for someone without English as the first language (which encompasses, in my experience, most of the white native born residents of the United States [more satire]), something is definitely lost in the subtletees of grammatic idioms.

    No one’s fault really.

    Just accept that I’m pretty neutral on religion and have grave difficulty believing that there is any proof for God at all besides faith, adding that I have learned a bunch from atheists over there at Armstrong Delusion — really, really smart guys. And when I said I pray for Roderick Meredith (saying that it was about humbling him and if God wills, accepting his death gracefully) it was pure ironic spite, even if I did do it!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well if you are neutral on religion, I suggest complete atheism. Why slightly/sort of/kind of believe God? Unless you are an agnostic-y Christian, or a slightly agnostic-y atheist. Then I still would say be done with god and join he rest of us who have found deep joy and peace in knowing that our life is precious and temporary, and that we can live fully in that fact alone.

    “All things that have a beginning have an end, Neo…” – The Oracle

  • By neutral, I mean that I don’t usually react strongly to other people’s beliefs.

    I do take exception to scoundrels who lie to people and then take their money.

    Personally, I continue to examine my beliefs to see if they seem to approximate the science of the Universe, for, I am a logician and computer scientist at heart and have had a successful career where precision in logical structures and scientific principles were absolutely essential to insure that everybody got paid on time — and that’s the test, isn’t it: Your actions based on the belief system work out as advertised and generally are productive as they are accurate. The margin for error was practically nill.

    Here?

    We can get sloppy and it makes little difference.

    Still.

    There’s no cause for entitlement in my mind.

    And in Armstrongism?

    There’s no indication of logic, scientific method, fact, reality or sanity, near as I can find. Ronald Weinland is a supreme example of that….

  • Atrocious says:

    news is the Kin Jong Il is dead. I have read this article about him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il so I would know who he is and this article http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html that he died today. He was a North Korean leader (Aisian)…I find it ironic that another one of ron-gods so called prophecies cannot come to pass…just thoughts on my part. I’m not particularly knowledgeable about things of this nature (I don’t keep up on current events, history, or political news like I suppose I should) but I thought this particular item worthy of mentioning.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    South Korea has a million man army, so does North Korea. China has a couple million…still ain’t 200 million men on horses though.

    I asked my wife and kids (Asian) if they have any plans for January that involve travelling to the Middle East. They said:

    Daughter One: “Huh?”

    Daughter Two : “Where?”

    Wife: ” I wanna go to Paris!”

  • randy terlecki says:

    to funny had to post ( yesterday, someone asked me if i tweet, i said no but i toot alot.)

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Which thunder would that be, Randy? Maybe the fifth (death)? 😉

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    That is funny Cuz… I will have to remember that one!!
    And Mike, “fifth thunder, death? lmao

    It is good to lighten up sometime.. and that accomplishes the goal!!!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Avalo I read the link you put up. Very interesting and very true. I really understand where those people are coming from
    I have come to the point now, when a Chrisitan tells me (and i met some who think as I and some well, let me put it this way) OH you know you can’t dance when you are Christian. My response now is ” Really? Where does it say that in the Bible? Please prove it to me”. Their response,,”well, ah, ah, ah, that is our religion”. So I never found out if the Bible says it or not. you guys may know.. Or “We don’t wear make up”, ok i ask same question. I could go on and on about the don’ts.
    Chruches like to make up their own rules. When my kids would swear, I would say “Don’t swear” their respones were, “Mom they are just WORDS”. ” I remember once listening to Ron one winter about this time on Phone hook up. He said people pick and choose what they want from the bible and if it doesn’t fit their way of living then they will ignore it. It makes me want to puke. sick, sick sick.” I thought about that today and what in the heck does Ron think he is doing. All I can say is practice what you preach Ron. I just wish i would have learned alot sooner that God doesn’t dwell in a church. That to me is all a bunch of ego people who thinks they are so holier than thou. I have NO idea what so ever about the WCG or is it wwcg. Ron was the first experience I had in this sort of Armstrong teaching. Of course now Ron changed that up too. So who ever came out of that cult of Herbie then glad you saw the light. I came out of a completely different type of churches, and what did I learn. Well, nothing. Just that they all say something different and dumb don’ts, which myself doesn’t mean a hill of beans. I doubt very much if God thinks by wearing make up, dye my hair, dance, etc. etc. is a sure thing to hell. Sorry. But my focus is on the Lord in my heart, not what men tell us what to NOT do and how to think.. I know alot of people get great satisfaction out of church, and I guess like to be told what not to do, and follow the Prophet. (that is one of the songs in mormonism) I never heard follow Jesus, it was brainwashed into such little children to sing that song over and over again. Follow the Prophet.. It seems that is a trend in most religions now. Everything in my opinion, (and yes i know the saying about opinions 🙂 ) has come down to that. One doesn’t hear much now about Following Jesus. Everything is so messed up in religion.. screws with peoples minds. So I was glad to read our youth is catching on to that. BUT mind you, I have heard from so called Christians that is Satan attacking their minds. So apprently for some of us Christians who don’t follow religions we are taken over by satan…

    OOPS. Mike i meant to write LMBO, don’t hold that mistake against me. 🙂

  • Atrocious says:

    I absolutely abhor religion, Helen. I feel the same way you do. A spiritual relationship is a “one on one” thing, in the heart and mind, not in a “church” building, or even in a group of people. Yes, those of like mind can come together to talk about experiences or whatever but when it comes to a “religion” where there are rules and regulations; NOPE! Not for me. My main focus is love. Is what I believe showing love? Is what I do showing love? Is what I think motivated by love? In a true spiritual relationship, there is no room for hate and all the negatives that Ron and his ilk show on a daily basis. I know I sound hypocritical being that I’m here on a site the mocks Ron Weinland – “well, that’s not showing love”. I care for those that are hurt by that man. I want to give those that are searching and seeking and questioning, support. I want them to know that there IS love in this world. Ron has shown the fruits of who he is really following and it really hurts my heart that there are people who seek to gain only for themselves and have lost the reason for living….loving. I don’t “hate” Ron. I hate what he’s doing. I hate the lies he tells, the “power” he holds over peoples head, the audacity to proclaim that he speaks for God when he shows no fruit of God, just fruit of HIS god.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to get so long winded…

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Atrocious, Long winded NO? Long winded me? Yes. haha

    Atrocious, we shouldn’t have to apologize on this blog for writing our thoughts and expressing our religious beliefs, (unless it is Ron and his flock) or non religious beliefs. I don’t apologize for anything I have said, well that is a lie. I did on one thing awhile back. But my mouth sometimes spurts out things when i get pretty peeved.
    I have never regretted anything on Ron and Laura and in the Christian world you are suppose to forgive and love but don’t have to like what the person does.
    I actually feel different about that. I just plain out do not like people who do what Ron and Laura does. No matter who it is. In the Christian society we are in, always taught to pray for our enimies. It is hard for me to pray for some one who protrays God and is a destroyer in my eyes of people. I have to be honest on that. I don’t believe I have to do that. They are evil and the wrath on them will come from someone else. They have brought this on themselves. I just can’t have the pity for them Atro.. If I said I do I would be a big hypocrite. I still have loads of love for people. I can’t say I feel that kind of love for everyone in the world, because i don’t. I don’t know them. Even though God says to love everyone. But I do LOVE , “LOVE”. I have people I love so much I would definitly die for them. Honest.. And as the world of Christianity teaches we are to love one another and pray for everyone.. Maybe I am not a very good Christian, but i feel no guilt not doing that. Not at all. I think that could be written out of context. But I have no problem with you doing that. really.
    As a Mother I would like to share something if I may. If not well I am going to anyway. 🙂 My son called me this morning and a guy from work has a drinking problem. I met him before, and yes bad drinking problem. They were going to fire him at BLM, well my son checked in on a rehab program they were suppose to offer Steve from work, but wanted to fire him instead. My son stood up for him and took steve to Rehab and told him to not give up. But get well and fight for your job. This guy had a problem with Alcohol, but it doesn’t mean he is a BAD person, just has a problem. My son said ,”his house is a pig sty, washing needs to be done, so i am going to get his place back to living conditions”.. Now that mind you is coming from an Athiest.. He cares and helps people who need help. He is a better Christian than I and he isn’t even Christian. Go figure. I will pray for Steve. It is heartbreaking to see substances take over peoples lives including churches.
    I have learned so very much lately in my life. I know with all my heart you don’t have to be Christian to be a good person. I am far from that, but I try my best. And what inspiration I get from non believers has been a blessing in my life. When people try to tell me different about Athiest and say bad things, they will be one sorry humans they even said anything.
    They will get the wrath of this fiesty Pollock.

    So you praying for those who are under the spell of Ron, is a good thing for you to do. One has to do what they feel in their hearts. Period.. Me, i am not sure what I would pray about for them, so I don’t pray about it. I just think to myself. I hope they get out. That is their own choice.
    Hope this is making sense…
    And thank you Atro for your comments.. And no I don’t think you are a hypocrite. You say what you feel. And as long as you truly believe how you feel, then there is nothing wrong with that.

    I rather have people speak from their hearts and minds the truth, then only say what other people want to hear.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    BTW. I am by far not a bible scholar. If I am wrong tell me. The reason why I wrote about loving everyone could be out of context (think that is right word) is because I feel it is not taken to be read literally, why I say that, and please help me out here, doesn’t it say something else in the bible that reads about not being around enimies or those who preach false doctrine? Well in so many words like that. I was told to stay away from those sorts of beings..

  • randy terlecki says:

    i don’t know if your right or wrong on the bible but (I LOVE YOU) your my family

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Matthew 7:15,16-Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits….

    2 Timothy 4:3,4-For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.

    Acts 20:29-31-For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.

    Matthew 15:9-And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

    2 Peter 2:1-But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    2 Peter 3:16,17 -as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked.

    Colossians 2:8 -Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

    Hebrews 13:9-Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I LOVE YOU TOO MY COUSIN.. You have been and always will be my best cuz… that is right we are family!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DAMN Avalo. You really do know your stuff… Great Job. Thanks. appreciate it.. My mind is blown..

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    By the way Helen, I think you will be encouraged by this article. Looks like Jesus is “winning”…

    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/19/christianity-goes-global-as-worlds-largest-religion/?hpt=hp_c2

  • I wonder if it bothered anyone else, since it has bothered me for a long time and the discomfort is escalating; it is very disturbing.

    Ronald Weinland lies for profit, practices deception and apparently (not proved in a court of law yet) committed criminal acts.

    There not only doesn’t seem to be one shred of remorse, it’s like people who take note of the behavior are the ones who have the problem.

    This isn’t just about him, for I perceive it to be the problem across the board for all Armstrongist leaders (it seems universal and only differs in degree).

    If this is the character they have, what else are they capable of? Without a conscience, what limits are there to what they might do?

    Does that bother you?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    It doesn’t bother me. I get angry at their hypocrisy, but the world is filled with bastards and saints. The fact that Ronald Weinland is happily ensconced in Camp Bastard is neither a surprise nor a discomfort.

  • Atrocious says:

    Yes.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    OMG!! Everyone! Type “ronald weinland idea city” into a Google Image search and you will find a photo of Nelson Muntz from “The Simpsons” beside a picture of 2008 God’s Final Witness by Ron Weinland…and it looks like nelson is MOCKING the book!!!

    CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hope this works!!

    http://www.google.com/search?pq=ronad+weinland+idea+city&hl=en&cp=5&gs_id=1d&xhr=t&q=ronald+weinland+idea+city&client=safari&rls=en&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1273&bih=608&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=PqjvTvnxCaPk0QGH4J3jCQ

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I just wrote a bunch of comments on your links Avalo. Not sure what happened. My computer needs to go in a get checked big time..
    I hope this one goes through.
    LMBO on Idea City… Just got home a little bit ago, my dog was at the vets for almost 3 hours. He is sick. So i am beat and will try to comment
    again on the links later..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Every once in awhile my web hosting service gets a bit constipated and hangs up losing a comment when you hit submit. (actually can happen on ANY blog, WordPress or Blogspot). If you’ve typed something and want to make sure it doesn’t get lost, try highlighting it and type CTRL-C to copy it to your clipboard. That way, it it gets lost you can resubmit.

    Avalo’s scriptures would make a good sermon. At the right time: wonder when that might be, for the most impact.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well thank you Mike (DDTFA), although I would hope someone other than I, the strutting atheist, would give it! 🙂

    Colossians 2:8 – “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.”

    The phrase “cheat you THROUGH philosophy” I think makes religious people afraid of philosophy. But it does NOT say “cheat you WITH philosophy”, like philosophy or philosophical thinking. If “philosophy” were the problem then C.S Lewis, St, Augustine, Thomas a Kempis, the writings of Apostle Paul, and even Jesus’ words (parables) would have to be treated as suspect, regardless of their truth content. Colossians 2:8 I think is a just warning to all that any philosophy that uses the tools of philosophy to deceive you rather than engage in a dialogue is absolutely intellectually, morally and ethically suspect, and would get you kicked out of any church, university, or social group dedicated to truth or reason. This is why I don’t throw out what Christ/Paul say in terms of their philosophy if it “stands to reason”. So if I gave a sermon on Colossians I would say:

    “Hear ye hear ye Christian folks, and especially ye atheists! Let us not be cheated THROUGH philosophy, lest we be deceived by the wicked use of the ‘tools of the truth’ and not led to Truth itself..and Ronald Weinland has used faulty tools to teach OPEN LIES…and he is a meanie…and according to one of my daughters, he is Mr. Poopy-Pants….amen…”

  • Jocko says:

    Several months ago while listening to one of Ron’s sermons I was interrupted just when it became interesting. Earlier tonight I went back and listened to the rest of that sermon. I would like to share one paragraph of the sermon’s pdf file with you. Hope this is OK with you Mike. This is really bizarre. Ron first reads from the bible and then makes his comments.

    “So it says, it was, and is not;and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition/destruction::”I look forward to that day! Not only will it strive to lead those that follow it into destruction because of an opportunity, as he sees it in a perverted way. Think of this being as you go back in time. He is the one who destroyed all life on the earth. He is the one who put the pock marks on the moon. He is the one who is responsible for the asteroid belt. He is the one who literally tried to destroy the planet. When God put him here for how ever many….we don’t know how many millions and millions upon millions of years-we don’t understand time like that-but that being was here. He was placed here as a matter of God’s government over the angelic realm, the third of the angels that were with him, and came to a point in time where he started to rebel”.

    From “Time Is Closing In” October 1st, 2011. COG-PKG. PDF File Page 13.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Avalokiteshvara’s Sermon on Colossians 2:8, Part Two: “The Meaning of Ronald Weinland”.

    Colossians 2:8 – “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit…”. So let’s apply this verse to the teachings of Ronald Weinland. If we are to believe he is a religious authority, as he has openly stated repeated, then we must know what religion he is representing…in this case Christianity via the teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, who established many of the truths Ron has built his theology on. Even though many if not all of these teachings are scripturally unsound, they are the model on which Ronald Weinland bases his teachings and added “truths”. So we will focus on Ronald Weinland’s theology specifically. Though the Bible doesn;t not explicitly state many of the things that Ronald Weinland says, he proclaims these ‘new truths” as the Word of God as revealed through Ronald Weinland himself.

    So now we have a measuring stick to compare what God said previously to what God is saying now. Since it is God’s Word “versus” God’s Word, we should find a coherent system of development or structural unity, for God, being defined as God shpould be capable of a higher coherence than the subjects he created, unless we were designed to transcend Him. As he is called the One True God and the only entity worthy of worship, it is not logical to conclude that we are to be his replacement, since he stated in the Ten Commandments ‘Thous halt have no other Gods before me”, and any entity greater than God would be worthy of of such praise. No matter what exists, God (yahweh) is the sole focus of the highest forms of worship in existence as stated by both Yahweh and Jesus Christ (“Not I but the Father”).

    So it is now Yahweh’s historical truth vs. Yahweh’s new Truth. As Jesus Christ, Yahweh’s own Son and Saviour to Mankind stated in Matthew 12:25 (KJV) “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand”. It then stands to reason that Christ and Yahweh must be unified, and their words as well CANNOT be in opposition, as that would be proof positive that one of them has created a division or contradiction in this kingdom, house, city, or especially, in the Family/Church of God. So a division is contrary to God’s truth as evidenced by the multiple scriptures on false teachings and false prophets, like Matthew 7:15,16. “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits….”. Division/contrariness is NOT a fruit of the True Teachings. What are Ronald Weinland’s fruits? Do they compared with God’s fruits?

    Since Yahweh’s Words are the measurement, and the fruit of one’s actions are also a measurement of one’s spirituality, both religious philosophy and analytical philosophy reveal Ronald Weinland to be a contradicter, a changer, an implier; all activities ascribed not to the prophets, disciples, high priests, and believers, ut rather to those who oppose YahwehIt thus stands to BOTH human reason AND religious reason that Ropnald Weinland is at best a liar, and at worst an enemy of God. Thus we need not fear philosophy, but rather as the Bible says, those who THROUGH philosophy and empty deceits, according to the traditions of men, and ESPECIALLY through the traditions of false prophecy God taught us to reject and ‘fear not’. If Ron rejects the philosophy of man, it is his right. But if he rejects the moral teachings of Yahweh, he is not rejecting ONLY the philosophy behind those moral teachings, he is rejecting God’s AUTHORITY and replacing it with his own authority, which according to the Bible is the sin which the angel Lucifer, the Christian ‘Satan’ committed.

    Conclusion: So let us “beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit…”. It is not only the intellectual sound thing to do, but the words of the God of Abraham himself.

    Truth is not your enemy…

  • Atrocious says:

    So he’s preaching satan, not Christ. He’s looking forward to that day. Words fail me. I am speechless.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Keep in mind that that Lucifer and ‘Satan’ are two different constructs. In the case of Job, you will notice Lucifer is part of God’s plan to test Job, and is continuously called an adversary/prosecutor (Hebrew; “ha-Satan”). He is assigned this role to test Job, and there is NO textual connect in the Old Testament between the snake in the Garden of Eden and Lucifer. The Christian “Satan” is not called Lucifer in the New Testament, which is one of the NT contradictions, along with the fact that Jesus was supposed to be named “Emmanuel”, not just a “type of Emmanuel” (“God is with us” in Hebrew). Not only is Ronald Weinland getting his New Testament theology wrong, he is getting his OLD Testament theology wrong, and teaching that he (God) is RIGHT in his interpretation. Ronald Weinland is an anti-Christ, and also not even being a good anti-Christ because he doesn’t even understand Satan/Lucifer either. Ronald Weinland is such a theological failure that he has gotten both God AND Satan wrong, and if they exist they would BOTH be upset with him!

    Ronald Weinland has pissed off BOTH God and Satan!!! LOL!!

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Ron pisses off everyone. He is one big pisser. His ego is so huge I know he wishes he was popular with the world. A big HA!! He is a farce and the only place he may be popular is in Jail. REAL POPULAR AT FIRST, then he will bore the hell out of everyone buy opening his trap. That is pretty bad that Satan doesn’t even like the guy. I can see Satan now begging God to beam him up to Heaven.. Sorry Satan, God says, my beamer is broke. Plus we are pretty full up here. No room at the inn.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Might be yet another example of where Ron gets his thoughts all tangled up. Probably was thinking of the day that Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire along with all of Satan’s tools such as we, his mockers 😀 Just like recently when he got 19-year time cycles probably mixed up with his 140-day half-a-times. Otherwise his little rant in his Oct 1 sermon is pretty much Armstrongism 101 as I recall it.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Avalokiteshvara’s Sermon on 1 Thessalonians 5:21 – “Why Ronald Weinland isn’t Good”

    The Bible states in 1 Thessalonians to test or prove everything, and hold onto what is good. So, what is “good”? In religious terms it must not be contrary to God’s teachings or lead one to act immorally.

    So why is Ronald Weinland not “good”? Simply because he “holds onto” contradictions and morally unsound doctrine. he has been proven to be a liar by Mike (DDTFA), has not defined which are his own opinions and which are God’s “opinions”, he has contradicted his own teachings which he defines as God’s or Christ’s teachings and HAS NOT repented, and above all, has taught these contradictions as wisdom, i.e. cautioning his followers to not pray for non-believers. He has held on to what is not good as a human being, neither as a representative of Yahweh. He has held fast to what is NOT good. and thus preaches a doctrine that supports the theology of Lucifer/Satan, to REDUCE God, not uplift and glorify His Name.

    Summary: To utilize 1 Thessalonians is a safe and righteous way to approach the teachings of Ronald Weinland. If he speaks sound Christian truth, you have nothing to fear. If he does not, then you must reject what he says because the Bible warns against following the wicked, the contrary, the false man/woman, the false teaching. There can be NO “good” false teaching, thus one must reject Ronald Weinland’s theology to be eligible for the Kingdom of God. That is the choice one makes when they hold fast to what is “good” .

    NOW THINK ABOUT THIS:

    Is it safe to believe what I, Avalokiteshvara wrote? I am an ATHEIST. Test me! Are my words sound? Use the Bible and measure my words. Regardless of what my beliefs are, don;t reject my words because I wear a green hat, or eat food that you don;t like or don;t believe in God. USE GOD’S WORDS to test the soundness of MY words. I have NOT taught a contrary doctrine against God, but used my training in the wisdom man to PROVE the wisdom of 1 Thessalonians. I highly encourage you to test and compare my words with/against/versus God’s words…they are the same words!!

    Conclusion: Let us all use 1 Thessalonians to test ANY words for truth. It is our privilege as rational beings.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Avalokiteshvara’s Final Sermon: “Why Ronald Weinland Does Not Have God’s Spirit”.

    Ronald Weinland claims to be a ‘Divine Revelator’, that God reveals Truth to him and he imparts this truth to his followers. That he believes he is imparting God’s wisdom, and carries the titles of “minister, (type of) Elijah, End Time Witness means he MUST have even the minimal amount of God’s spirit in him or “working in” him. As 1 Thessalonians 5:21 states, let us test Ron’s words and see if my claim is true.
    Let’s begin in Luke 13:10-17. Jesus is teaching on the Sabbath in a synagogue. He also heals a crippled woman. The synagogue leader then accuses Jesus of breaking the Sabbath commandment to not work the seventh day. Jesus then chastises the leader for being so heartless, and the people present are delighted and amazed at Jesus’s wisdom and mercy for having released the woman from a Satan-inpsired disability. Now look carefully at the logic of the story. Since we cannot prove that this is historically or scientifically true, we must look at the structure of the story and see if it is logically consistent. If we do so we find a hidden, structural “proof” of Christ’s claim that he was the Messiah!

    Can you see it? Look carefully…

    The synagogue leader, in front of a crowd of witnesses, accuses Christ of HEALING on the Sabbath. NOT using witchcraft or sorcery, NOT lying, NOT preaching false doctrine, but rather the breaking of the Sabbath to HEAL. This is no proof that Jesus wan’t resorting to trickery, but Christ was NOT accused of trickery, the most logical choice of crimes to be accused of, especially in a synagogue, the “house” of God! Rather, he was accused of healing. It is not provable as a historical event, but it is not logically unsound to believe that IF Christ truly was the Messiah, this scripture contains at least one possible hint of that divinity, based on the religious reasoning of the synagogue leader.

    Now, I, an ATHEIST, have shown you this through human reasoning and philosophy. IF I am able to do this using “mere” human reasoning, then WHY has Ronald Weinland not shown Scripture to be BOTH logically and spiritually sound, rather assuming that HE ALONE is the carrier of truth? If I can reveal a “hidden” case for Christ, why does the End Time Witness not do so? THE HOLY SPIRIT is supposed to shine out as an example, it is the catalyst that makes one’s fruits turn from bad to good, it is not a hidden thing, it is ALWAYS described as the inner source of the outer ‘truth’. The fact that Ronald Weinland must invent “NEW” truths when so many more are present in the Bible unbeknownst to many Christians.

    Conclusion: Ron’s new truths are NOT mandated scripturally, necessary, nor are they the result of the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which would lead one to a deeper understanding of the existing Bible, God’s “actual truths”. Ronald Weinland’s words lead ONLY to better understanding of Ronald Weinland. This is NOT a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

  • Jocko says:

    Mike, I had no idea this type of theology was taught in mainstream Armstrongism. I thought it was something Ronnie dreamt up. No wonder you guys went running as fast as you could.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I didn’t have the luxury of running. I was tossed out of my parent’s house with no money, no support, and no emotional/spiritual help while I was still a teenager, merely for questioning HWA. Atheism was the only thing that gave me strength, that I could call mine, that warmed me after “God” left me in icy silence no matter how much I begged for his help. Science and Love are my “Gods”.

    Yahweh and Christianity are sandcastles I kicked over decades ago…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    In fact, my spiritual journey is generally summed up by the song “Disciple”, by the band SLAYER.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS0mQ25ezq4

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    My Vietnamese, Zen Buddhist wife’s spiritual journey could be summed up by this song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3dM-GlZK8

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And my two daughters’ spiritual state is probably best summarised by this song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I think Weinland would point out mainstream Christianity’s belief in eternal torment in Hell. In Armstrongism, a death in the lake of fire is immediate and permanent, the torment is brief.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Mike you are correct on what Weinland thinks about mainstream Christianity’s. He certainly always said it alot. By the way does he still always say “puke, puke. puke. sick sick sick. etc.? just curious.
    I think those were the words he must have first learned.

    Avalo, you came out from what religion now? WCG? WWCG? Did they make you study the bible when you were just tiny? I am asking because it seems the ones you were in Armstrongism, can pretty well spurt out a scripture just like that.. I wasn’t brought up with the bible so it amazes me. I am not sure I have met a person who has nothing to do with Herbie or those churches, and can;t tell you right off the bat a verse. Well, sure there are, i just don’t know who they are. Now mormons can tell you every verse in the Book of Mormon, Doctorine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. But the Bible no.. Even though they say some of the Bible is true but they don’t study the bible except for every 4 years. And that is only the old adult classes, not children.
    Like I said i never even knew about this armstrong guy until Ron. But he has changed his opinion so much on Armstorng now, I am confused if he still worships the guy or not. I wouldn’t think so though, because Ron worships himself. That is not a joke, i mean it.
    Need to go get some coffee then listen to the entertainment on youtube Avalo put up..
    BTW. Good morning everybody..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron still says things in triples, “Sick, sick, sick” is the sort of thing I’ve heard him say.

    When I was growing up, my parents required me to memorize bible verses. I can’t spout off scripture off the top of my head, it’s been 4 decades since I was required to warm the hard metal folding chairs. If I want to look something up, there’s eSword which is a free software program and can have various plug-ins such as extra translations and concordances. Wonder if Ron uses it to look up bible verses in the original language and a list of possible meanings for a word so he can choose the one that suits him. He’s a biblical scholar, never mind that words can have different meanings depending on their context.

    Avalo’s YouTube clip (the last one with the cat) shares a lot of qualities with one of Ron’s sermons 😀

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    OK. I Listened to the “Morning Show Music with Avalo”. I will say the Slayers didn’t like.Anxiety just went wayyy up. BUT you can play your wife’s meditation music anytime. Soothing, relaxing, hits on the inner soul. Sorry Ava I have to go with your wife on her taste of music. Chalk one up for her. Avalo she beat you big time on this one. Tell her kudo’s from Aunt Helen. haha

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    So the eSword is something I would just type in on computer and it will pop up? Wow, required to memorize verses! That is a big book to memorize. I have to write down as I am learning just to shoot back at the mormons around here when they tell me things from the Book of Mormon, (which dah, i already know) another theological cult. I can’t tell you how many people I had to baptized for the dead. Went back to the 1400’s. Because you know only Mormons get to live with God, and become God’s themselves and goddesses. cough cough.. Lik e my husband said, he doesn’t want to become a God and have to live with those people. That would be total hell in itself. The Mormons already said by leaving God’s church I will now go to the Telestial kingdom, lowest on the totem pole. Next one up is the terestial, which who are Mormon but hasn’t been throught he Temple, and drink coffee, tea, booze, doesn’t pay tithe etc. etc. They don’t see God either but Jesus will come down to visit them once in a great while. Then we have the Glorious Celestial Kingdom of God. Where all the Good Mormons live as God and is as equal.. HMMMM so sorry Ron, Mormons beat you to the punch about where I am going. You can’t curse me. I have already been cursed. I wonder what planet Ron is going to becuase the Celstial Kingdom is already reserved from God for the Mormons..
    If i was inclined and new how to run a blog, a Mormon blog would be my choice. Alot of people don’t know the secrets, I mean sacred rituals of the Temple. They don’t like to share that..UGH I was one of those temple worshippers that Prophet Joe Smith created.. Along with his 50 something wives..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    eSword is a free downloadable program.

    No, I didn’t have to memorize the whole book, but the verses I was required to memorize were more than enough. 🙁

    As far as the Mormon sacred rituals, a Google search turned up this page.

  • If I may be so bold as to share my favorite Scripture that doesn’t seem to have been given yet, let me interject that it is one I believe even atheists would like and appreciate —

    II Timothy 3:1-5

    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:

    and here comes the payoff!:

    from such turn away.

    This describes Ronald Weinland and all the Armstrongist cultists perfectly and always has.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    MIKE, thanks for that link page. Some people from back east has ask me if I could please send them some information on Mormonism. Not that they want to become Mormons, becuase they know it is a cult, but because the missionaries are hitting their kids with that crap.. I will get that link out to them. I did send then some DVD’s to watch and literature. (anti mormon of course)
    I will read all of it when I get time today.. I was wondering if the writer mentioned Planet Kolab. Which in Pearl of Great Price mentions where God is. But the dictionary on the WEB says God is near there. Confusing..
    And it brings me back when the guy said about the missionaries and made all these promises. I wanted to do right by my family, so it sounded perfect. Then, well, let me put it this way. The offer you a beautiful wrapped package that no one else has ever offered. Then when you are in for awhile,hmmm one decided to open the box and nothing but worms inside. But they sure talk a good lie to get you in. That guy was smart to investigate it. I want to read what he wrote on endowments though. About 2 years before I left they changed oops sorry, God told the Prophet to change the actual, taking our forfinger and at the same time (fake of course) cut our throats and then make a cut of the stomach to take out the bowls, And when we went through the veil, the man on the other side doesn’t touch us anymore. I mean by touching, knee to knee, shoulder to shoulder, stuff like that. But he still could take our hand and pull us through Gods veil. This was done all the time for us one time then we did it for the dead.
    So Mike you never know. Someone could do your temple work for you someday….
    Let me get that link sent out.. thanks again. You may have just saved some other souls..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    OMG Mike. They even show the unerwear my husband and I use to wear. LMBO. I can’t believe we wore that. Talk about HOT in the summer!! My given name is Rebecca. Which no one is suppose to know but me and hubby. And when I forgotthe name, I had to go to the temple and the Bishop President would look it up for me. I had to get a doll with that name to remember. After all, if I didn’t remember it, then when my husband would call my name in Celestial Kingdom for me to enter, well I wouldn’t have gone becuase i didn’t remember. So another Rebecca would go in my place.. Anyway, my husband said he would forget my name on purpose. haha He was joking though. Well I think he was, hmmm 🙂

    And yet Ron’s church I think is worse.. I should say Ron.. He is the most pathetic of any preacher or Prophet I had to deal with.. At least Mormon Prophets now adays speak of B.S. kindness. Ron doesn’t know what the word is.. it is just plain B.S.

  • daughter of a follower says:

    I now know why my mum says everything and everyone is sick, sick, sick!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Why?

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Becuase of Ron..

  • Mike DDTFA says:

    Ron repeats words 3x a lot for emphasis.

  • J says:

    Perhaps Mike should start addressing RW as Insane Lying False Prophet Insane Lying False Prophet Insane Lying False Prophet Ronald Weinland. Getting through to those people, it’s worth a shot. 😀

  • Charlie says:

    I rarely post anymore but try to keep up with this blog on a weekly basis. Mostly to see what the apologists say in response. (Mike great posts by the way) But I do have a question; what on earth is a *cough* church doing meeting in SIN CITY? I have been there a few times and trust me it is disneyland for adults…

  • Jocko says:

    Excellent Point Charlie.

  • Atrocious says:

    The only reason I can think of for him to choose Las Vegas is so he and his entourage can have a $$good time$$ while they’re doing their $$church stuff$$.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I know of 4 times he’s done this: 2007. 09. 10. & now 11. 1st time he made the city a secret.

  • Perhaps RW does the 3X repeat thing is because it is either the size he wears or the rating of the movies he watches.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hat size??

  • chacha says:

    So what are you saying….need big shorts to hold the big…ahem….to say the things he says? Or…because he is so full of…

    yeah. They both work.

  • joe says:

    This is to all the mindless souls that believe this idiot. God is a piweful man, why would put his hands down on an evil prick like ronny.. To all you that follow, il take your money and tell you to fast. I will also give a fake date. Send money. Idiots.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Whatever.!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Mocking w/o intelligence. Good job, Joe…

  • joe says:

    Hey its you idiots that listen to this bastard that have no intelligence. Lost minds

  • joe says:

    The one thing i guess i just dont understand is, why would you listen to a man that has proven nothing. Or Listen to a man that is a thief

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Joe, I don’t feel compelled to answer an jerk who does a drive-by of a single page on my blog and then decides he knows everything about us. It’s evident who the idiot is here.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Another drive by Mike. What is this world coming to? How “piweful”. 🙂

  • joe says:

    Well mike im sorry you feel this way. Drive bye. I married into your false prophet. I have seen the lies first hand dear sir. And dear Mr. MIKE do you an answer…?

  • J says:

    Most. Incomprehensible Post. Ever.

  • J says:

    Joe thinks he’s speaking to Weinland’s followers…..I think. How cute.

    Because the reason we listen to Ron is BECAUSE he lies and proves nothing and is a thief. Duh.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    I am still looking for the word “piweful” in the dictionary. Has anyone found it yet? Joe said “God is a piweful man,” God isn’t a man, that I know in my mind(oops. forgot I lost my mind) but piweful?
    I hope he is not mocking my God..

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Let us get in the season spirit. Tis the season to be jolly Joe.

    Hoppy Hawahdays 2 u.
    Hoppy Hawahdays 2 u.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Interesting. Joe thinks we are idiots for standing up to evil. Hey, Joe! How about those idiots that listened to Hitler then defeated him? They are called British/American/Canadian soldiers who died for us. How about those idiots who “listen” to the online posts of pedophiles, then catch them? Is Chris Hanson an idiot? How about this? You, Joe, were associated with Ron (“I married into your false prophet. I have seen the lies first hand”), and yet you call us idiots for fighting against that very same False Prophet?You are drive-by criticizing us without any context, and by a transitive property, sticking up for Ron.

    You are, as you yourself put it, an “idiot”…

  • jack635 says:

    Maybe he was drunk and thought we were a PKG group.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Joe. I will put this as only you can understand it:

    sthicks and sthones wal brak mi boneths, buth nameths wal thever hurth meath.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And let me add…

    Sticks and stones may break my bones..

    …but at least I am not False Prophet like Ronald Weinland…

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Watching this great show about what scientist have to say about the Apocalypse. Then all of a sudden I thought of Ron and Laura saying they were the 2 witnesses who will die and we can watch them on TV. Does anyone know what channel that would be??

    I just hope they broke the mold after making Ron, Avalo..

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Joe, we are NOT Weinland supporters – hence the title of Mike’s blog.

    I left Ronnies cult in 2009.

    I assume your wife is still a member? I’m so sorry for you if that is the case.

    I just wondered how (it seems), you think we are supporters of Weinland? We are FAR from it.

    It must be very hard on your marriage. I know my poor hubbie put up with me for nearly 2 years whilst I was a member – then of course the aftermath.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “I just hope they broke the mold after making Ron, Avalo..”
    One biblical prophecy that has come true and will continue to come true: This one.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Joe is not demonstrating much comprehension skills. Or communicating skills either.

    Joe needs to read more and type less.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    haha. Mike. Crack me up..

    Oh Great Mike..There are a bunch of Ron’s mini me’s out there??

  • Atrocious says:

    Joe’s mind has been challenged and now he can’t think straight. Joe, take the time to sit down and read about this blog and all the posts in the archives during the last 4 years when RW started making his claims. Then, after you’ve done that, you might be able to post an intelligent response, maybe. We are not idiots.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here is a little something that Ron no doubt will be scared of and reject. It destroys his teachings on human nature, and makes his theology meaningless…

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/27/opinion/zak-moral-molecule/index.html?hpt=hp_bn9

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    So that explains it — Ron has a deficiency of oxytocin.

  • Atrocious says:

    Mike, when I first read your response, my first reaction was…did he mean Oxycontin? Then I watched the video and it is indeed oxytocin.

  • chacha says:

    Ron is deficient in oxytoncin, but has overdosed on oxymoron.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    See. We can learn something new everyday on Mikes blog.. Avalo I am sure the man said someone with no oytoncin is a ba**ard? Aparently he hasn’t met Ron, or the word would have been worse.

    While watching the video, (seriously here,) I never felt or saw that love or ozytoncin in Ron. I can HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY say I never felt it or saw it since the first day I met him in 2003. Not saying he didn’t have fun with his friends, and laugh with them. Especially laugh at his own stupid jokes. Which was far inbetween, but he just doesn’t beam the good, I never felt that from Laura either. Now that is me. Some of you may have felt or seen it. I am just saying I swear I never did. But yet I never looked at him as anything other than a preacher and his wife, who LOVES to gossip and stir the pot. She walked around like a peacock and one didn’t know if to approach her or not. Especially when she would be center of attention at happy hour. I am sure I am one of the very few who felt this.

    Chacha, I don’t think Ron or Laura ever would want that oxytoncin around them, it would ruin there gig sooner.

  • Helen Terlecki Wright says:

    Excuse me. I meant the guy with no oytoncin that conned 100.00 buck from him..was a ba**ard. But I am sure he meant all non oxytoncin people.