Yet Another Timeline Change for Ron?

The federal court has established a timeline for the criminal trial of Ronald Weinland, with a series of procedural deadlines and a pre-trial conference on Jan 17 with the actual trial scheduled to start on Jan 31. Weinland seeks to change that timeline with a motion filed by his attorneys last week. Here is text from that motion:

————- Motion to Continue Trial ———–
Defendant Ronald E. Weinland, through undersigned counsel, respectfully moves this Court, pursuant to Local Criminal Rule 12.1(b) and 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7), and with sufficient cause, for an Order continuing the trial date in this matter, currently set for January 31, 2012, at 10:00 a.m., for at least 180 days to such dates that are convenient to the Court. Mr. Weinland respectfully requests this continuance due to the unusual and complex nature of the case. As a result, it is unreasonable to expect adequate preparation for any pretrial proceedings or for the trial itself within the time limits established by the Speedy Trial Act.

{The rest of this posting is “below the fold. ” There is also a posting below about yesterday’s split sermon from his two leading evangelists flunkies Wayne and Johnny.}

As the Court is aware, counsel for the United States has already indicated that the United States does not object to designating this case as complex. Further, defense counsel has communicated with counsel for the United States with regard to this request for continuance and the government has stated that it has no objection to a sufficient continuance to allow defense counsel adequate time to prepare for trial. However, counsel for the United States was unwilling to agree to a continuance of at least 180 days.

FACTUAL BACKGROUND

Mr. Weinland has served as a minister in the Church of God (“COG”) since 1981.{1} On November 10, 2011, the government filed a five-count indictment against Mr. Weinland. The indictment charges Mr. Weinland with five counts of tax evasion (26 U.S.C. § 7201) over a period of five years starting in 2004. The indictment resulted from the government’s investigation that began as early as July 2, 2008.{2} One of the central alleged acts of evasion listed in the indictment is that Mr, Weinland used COG funds for his personal use and did not report the funds as income on his tax return. Mr. Weinland appeared before this Court on November 22, 2011 for his initial appearance and arraignment in this case. Defense counsel appeared as retained counsel of record for Mr. Weinland at that time, Mr. Weinland entered a plea of not guilty to the indictment and was released on a $20,000 unsecured bond.

Counsel for the United States permitted defense counsel to review much of the government’s discovery prior to the filing of the indictment.{3} The government’s discovery is substantial and includes five years of transaction and account activity for numerous COG bank accounts and personal bank and credit card accounts associated with Mr. Weinland. Further, based upon defense counsel’s review of the government’s voluminous discovery, it is defense counsel’s understanding that much of the government’s allegation of unreported income stems from the government’s detailed analysis of five years of transaction and account activity that occurred through these church and personal accounts. Specifically, based on defense counsel’s cursory review of the government’s discovery, it appears that the government reviewed each individual transaction in order to determine the nature and character of each specific transaction (i.e., whether the transaction was a church expense or a personal expense). Finally, the conduct alleged in the indictment also involves the added complexity of a foreign bank account.

Accordingly, defense counsel’s effective preparation in this case will require defense counsel to review the significant financial data that the government has collected for the five year period covered by the indictment. Additionally, defense counsel will need to analyze the complex tax issues surrounding each individual transaction that the government has characterized as a personal expense (included in personal income) as opposed to a church expense (not included in personal income). For example, there could be a colorable legal basis for treating a certain expense as a church expense that the government has characterized as a personal expense.

LEGAL ARGUMENT

In making this request for a continuance, Mr. Weinland acknowledges and understands that he has a right to a speedy and public trial in this matter and that this right has been guaranteed to Mr. Weinland by the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Speedy Trial Act (18 U.S.C. § 3161 et seq.). However, Mr. Weinland now moves for a continuance in order to permit both Mr. Weinland and defense counsel the reasonable time necessary to obtain and adequately review the government’s substantial discovery material in this case, analyze any relevant legal issues, prepare and address any pretrial proceedings and otherwise effectively prepare for trial.

As this Court is aware, the Court has the discretion to grant a continuance where the “ends of justice serviced by taking such action outweigh the best interest of the public {4} and the defendant in a speedy trial.” {not repeating a number of legal arguments here}

Mr. Weinland respectfully submits that the requested continuance of the trial date is justified under 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(A) and is supported by the identified factors set forth in 18 U.S,C, § 3161(h)(7)(B), As stated above, this is a complex tax case that involves multiple bank and credit card accounts, and numerous transactions that were made through those accounts, spanning a five year period. The government has analyzed and characterized each individual account transaction that occurred over the five year period as a “church expense” or a “personal expense,” These transactions occurred on an almost daily basis, with multiple transactions often occurring on a single day. The volume and breadth of the government’s financial analysis, and the related discovery, is substantial.

The requested continuance is necessary to provide defense counsel with sufficient time to review the government’s financial analysis and to analyze tax issues related to that analysis, including, but not limited to, the government’s characterization of certain expenses and the unique tax issues associated with churches and minister compensation (e.g., a housing allowance being excluded from gross income for income tax purposes, exemption from self-employment tax, etc.), Given the substantial financial discovery and the unique tax issues in this matter, a continuance would permit defense counsel the necessary time to adequately prepare for any pretrial proceedings and the trial itself. Consequently, the failure to grant the requested continuance would deny Mr. Weinland the reasonable time necessary for effective preparation, thereby, significantly jeopardizing Mr. Weinland’s ability to defend himself against the pending charges.

Accordingly, Mr. Weinland respectfully submits that there is a basis for the Court to find that the period of time from December 6, 2011, until the new date set for trial is excludable from computing the time period in which trial must occur under the Speedy Trial Act. Permitting Mr. Weinland and his counsel the reasonable time necessary to adequately and effectively prepare a defense against the pending charges serves the “ends of justice” and “outweigh[s] the best interest of the public and the defendant in a speedy trial.” 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(A). The ends of justice served by granting the instant motion for continuance outweigh the best interests of the public and Mr. Weinland in a speedy trial, because (i) the failure to grant the motion would be likely to result in a miscarriage of justice (18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(B)(i)); (ii) it is unreasonable to expect adequate preparation for pretrial proceedings or for the trial itself because the case is complex due to the nature of the prosecution (18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(B)(ii)); and (iii) the failure to grant the motion would deny defense counsel the reasonable time necessary for effective preparation, taking into account the exercise of due diligence (18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(B)(iv)).

CONCLUSION

WHEREFORE, for reasons set forth above, the Defendant respectfully moves the Court to grant his motion for a continuance and to enter an order continuing the current trial date in this matter, and the dates in the scheduling order, for at least 180 days to such dates that are convenient to the Court.

Respectfully submitted,
/s/ Robert C. Webb
Frost Brown Todd LLC

——————– End of Motion ——-

A continuance of the trial will aid in the continuance of Ron’s control over his membership, as he will be free at least domestically to travel and deliver sermons to manage the failure of his current prophetic timeline and prepare PKG for possible failure of his legal case at trial.

{1} The motion states that Ron has been a minister since 1981. I believe he was ordained as a local elder in Houston TX in April of ’81 but didn’t become a full-time minister until the following year.

{2} The motion mentions the investigation beginning “as early as July 2, 2008”. I believe the criminal investigation began before that date, that’s just when Ron found out about it. That date is consistent with statements Weinland made in his sermon of July 5, 2008.

{3} The motion acknowledges that the government provided discovery (revealed its evidence) even before the indictment. That contradicts the following statement in Ron’s latest blog posting on November 26:

I’ve rewritten this posting several times, as this entire matter has been rather difficult for me to digest. I have been waiting to find out the full details of the indictment and it has been somewhat unsettling as it simply takes time to receive all the information that it is based upon. Although we have known that an investigation has been ongoing since mid 2008, it has all been rather difficult to understand why. There really is no basis for this.

So Ron and his lawyers have had the government’s evidence since well before November 10, more than 2 weeks before his blog posting and he doesn’t know what it’s all about? I think it’s quite probable that the IRS began its criminal investigation based on other observations and did not become aware of the Swiss bank accounts until after the investigation was underway.

{4} I think the public interest would be well served by having the trial sooner rather than later and separating Ron from his deluded followers.

It appears that Ron’s strategy is going to be to drag this out as long as possible by litigating each transaction making up the government’s case. I wonder if Ron is going to pay the taxes on the money spent for his (not the church’s) lawyers.

Judge Reeves has a hearing scheduled for tomorrow (Monday, December 12) afternoon at 3 PM in Courtroom 4E to evaluate the motion. I hope to have his decision for publication later in the week, perhaps on Wednesday.

63 Comments

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Lmao – seems he wants to delay the case until after Jesus returns. Jesus will be King then, so the court case won’t actually happen.

    BUT, by doing this he is hedging his bets:-

    1. Jesus returns = no court case
    2. Jesus doesn’t return = court case proceeds but with extra time to strengthen defense.

    Oh this is going to get interesting.

    Seems to me he would have a reasonable chance of getting the continuance?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Since the prosecution is agreeable to the notion of a continuance but one not so long, I think he’ll get one. But maybe it will be a short enough delay that he’ll have to go to trial before being killed by the beast power in Jerusalem on May 23.

    Since the government gave discovery before the indictment on Nov 10, I think that maybe the court would grant 180 days from whenever that was. Which would be before Pentecost.

  • martin says:

    He’s trying to postpone it till after May 2012….

    He is lying, and his lawyers are lying when they say they don’t have time to “discover” whatever materials they need to discover.

    Somebody should write to the court and explain the situation to them.

    🙂

  • jack635 says:

    Counsel for the United States permitted defense counsel to review much of the government’s discovery prior to the filing of the indictment

    Well that tells us that Ron knows what the government has against him. And then there is this one, which I really liked:

    These transactions occurred on an almost daily basis, with multiple transactions often occurring on a single day.

    Ron likes spending money every day!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    No, Ronnie’s lawyers is saying that they need time to analyze the discovery they already have.

  • jack635 says:

    Weinland seeks to change that timeline with a motion filed by his attorneys last week.

    Ron seems to be getting quite good at changing timelines. He does have experience at this you know. As for the hearing tomorrow, I hope the Judge uses her authority over Ron to deny his motion to waste the court’s time and mess up their schedule. (I think it was a woman Judge) Will Ron tell her she has no authority over a man according to the scriptures?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I believe that the hearing will be conducted by the full judge himself, Danny Reeves. The female judge is a magistrate judge, which is like an assistant judge.

  • jack635 says:

    Aww Mike that’s disappointing. I would like to see Ron be judged by a woman.

    And I just reread your report. I see the US Attorney is agreeable to a continuance but not 180 days. Hopefully Judge Reeves is feeling disagreeable tomorrow.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I don;t know if this is the so-called “right” thing to do but since Ron is clearly a False Prophet, is it wrong of me to suggest that the Christians coming to this site pray for the continuance to be shortened or dismissed?

    Since he is clearly an anti-Christ, is this something that you Christian folks can “help” with?

  • jack635 says:

    It could be construed as wrong, but that depends on what type of “Christian” these Christians are. After all, there are “Christians” that pray for others to die. If that aint an oxymoron, I don’t know the meaning of theat word. I say let the Judge decide.

  • martin says:

    When does he have to submit taxes for 2011? I think it’s different with corps., don’t they file it earlier?
    I wouldn’t be surprised if he underpays taxes for 2011 as well, it would be kind of comical.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    What “corp” having to pay taxes are you talking about? I don’t know of any corporation involved in this situation required to pay taxes.

    Weinland will be expected to pay personal income taxes for 2011, assuming he has personal income. Given the amount of money he’s got to be spending on his attorneys, he must have some.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    If the prick and his wench had nothing to hide, he would have the speedy trial.

    Jesus isn’t going to save you Ronnie 🙂

  • martin says:

    I keep thinking he’s incorporated….he’s being indicted directly. (isn’t church incorporated?)

    How they could give him 180 days, seems way over the top for an individual to request, a corp., yes, but not an individual.

    I hope they deny it, but he’ll probably end up getting it.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Just wait Kirrily…you think he is a pr*ck now, wait until Ron announces the next truth that Ronnie is supposedly cooking up right now. According to Wayne, Ron is cooking up another “truth” that some PKG-ers will reject.

    I am sooo glad that Christ isn;t returning in 2012, because that means we get Ronald Weinland and his stupid “truths” for another few cycles!! This is WAAYY better than TV!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    No wonder Wayne Johnny and Terry are so into Ron. They get to run the place if Ronnie goes to “summer school”!

    Of course “Ron’s the End Time Witness”. It is highly profitable to them to say that.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    1. A person is not a corporation.
    2. A church corporation is not required to pay taxes.

    As far as who/what is being criminally charged, I have posted the indictment on this blog. It clearly states that.

  • jack635 says:

    The charges are against Ron, not the COG-PKG. If the PKG pays Ron a salary, that salary is taxable income. Since Ron is PKG, he is paying himself. Since he took more funds than he declared, he has been charged with income tax evasion. Five years in a row.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “…’Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world, in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which he had made scripture to assert. . . . We are not to suppose that any truth concerning the natural world can be an enemy to religion; for truth cannot be an enemy to truth, God is not divided against himself.” – Bishop Burnett

  • Jocko says:

    During the past two months much has happened within the world of PKG with many mixed signals coming from it’s leadership. In the month of October Ron did a lot of backpedaling so it was hard to tell which direction he was really headed. With the last great day sermon it sure seemed like Ron was preparing his flock for a resetting of the goal posts but then out of the blue came his “Time Is Running Out” post of November 8th. It was in this post that commander Ron shouted down his orders to the engine room of all ahead full on a steady course towards May the 27th, 2012.

    Just two days later the US attorney’s office announces their indictment of Ronald Weinland for income tax invasion. Was this just coincidence or are the two dates somehow related. I believe there is a connection and here’s my take on the situation. Ron has a very high profile law firm representing him and all high profile law firms have numerous connections and contacts within the criminal justice system. And by this I mean on both sides of the bench. What if Ron’s attorney was given a heads up on the upcoming indictment of his client before the US attorney released the information publicly. This is not really a far fetched idea at all and it actually happens quite often within the criminal justice system

    Instead of additional backpedaling to prepare the sheeple Ron and the church leadership went into damage control mode and came up with the full speed ahead post of November 8th. Before breaking the news of the indictment to the membership they had to ascertain everyone was still on board and what better way to do this then to dangle the carrot of May the 27th, 2012 in front of them.

    Even though the cat’s now out of the bag as far as the indictment is concerned it seems like minor damage control may still be ongoing within PKG. Hence Ron’s reading of e-mails from sheeple supporting him to the end, announcements of members coming out of every nook and cranny to attend sermon’s, etc. I’ve been thinking about all this for quite some time now and just wanted to share my thoughts with everyone here.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    If you read the motion, it states clearly that discovery was provided to the defense legal team prior to the indictment. So what you say does seem plausible.

    But I think that Ron has known the indictment was likely for quite some time. Normal practice for the IRS is to give the taxpayer notification before making a referal to the justice department. And the DoJ gives the taxpayer notification before making a decision to prosecute. And the wheels of justice turn slowly.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And the BIG question in all of this is…where is God to stop him? Where is the all powerful God who loves humanity? Where is Yahweh? Where is the divine punishment for defying God?

    Looks like Yahweh is OK with False Prophets and atheists…

  • Jocko says:

    Mike I did read the motion and it’s quite possible Ron just saw the handwriting on the wall so to speak but the pieces of the puzzle didn’t fit well together for me ever since reading Ron’s “time is running out” post. For Ron to do a complete about face after dropping so many hints about changing the timeline made me think he had to have some type of knowledge about the upcoming indictment before it went public.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That was my point. Ron DID know the US Attorney was going after an indictment. Maybe not the exact day but that it was imminent.

  • Atrocious says:

    Criminals, at least the “smart” ones, always have a back-up plan. If plan A doesn’t work, then go to plan B. Then plan C. It won’t be long and he’ll run out of the alphabet.

  • Steve says:

    The tribulation is RONS tribulation…….in prison (hopefully) ….don’t you have ears to hear and eyes to see? He never meant a literal tribulation for the world….oh no…that is still to come later some time after rons personal tribulation that his books were all about lol
    What date was he supposed to be in jerusalem to be killed mike? Or has he changed that like everythin else? Cuz if he is still in trial or better yet…prison, then that will hopefully atleast get 1 person to leave him.

  • martin says:

    I look forward to Ron’s Mein Tribulation.

    Here’s the conundrum.

    1) If Ronald files his personal taxes this year and under-reports it again, he is snubbing it in the noise of the IRS/DoJ/Court/Judge which would tick them off.
    2) If however, he “over pays”, basically to cover his tracks, he is tacitly admitting that the previous years taxes were underpaid. A sort of silent admission of guilt.

    I believe because of greed, he will choose #1, and thus add another 5 more years to his jail time. (if the jail time is accumulative).

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Here’s hoping the IRS use some of Mike (DDTFA)’s ‘research” in their case, since Mike has kept a very accurate and careful list of Ron’s activities and ideas. It would be sweet justice if Mike’s blog pulled the lynch-pin on Ron’s guilt!

    Jail for Ron if Mike (DDTFA)’s blog seals the deal? Priceless!

  • randy terlecki says:

    you got that right my friend avalo!!! i second that.

  • J says:

    “Defendant Ronald E. Weinland, through undersigned counsel, respectfully moves this Court,…”

    “Mr. Weinland respectfully submits that the requested continuance…”

    “Accordingly, Mr. Weinland respectfully submits that there is a basis for the Court…”

    “WHEREFORE, for reasons set forth above, the Defendant respectfully moves the Court…”

    ——–

    What a joke coming from Ron. If the court knew half of what Ron has said and done in the past decade, they would throw perjury onto the list of charges as well. Respectfully, HA! The man has no respect for anyone, spiritual or otherwise.

  • randy terlecki says:

    all you asshole from PKG that tell my mother i need a job. let me tell you i have the greatest life anyone can have, i have pension , 30 ft boat i take my mother fishing in, a 16 ft boat i take my mother fishing in, a Harley, a beautiful house, a nice garden i feed my mother out of, i download my mother sermons, i drive her where ever she needs to be, and i have no trouble with the church its just ron an laura i can’t stand crooks. let me tell you guys you are unsecure and need to get a life and stay off this web site and wish you had kids like me!! please get alife after may 27 2012 lol

  • jack635 says:

    from PKG that tell my mother i need a job

    Randy, they probably tell you that because they want to tithe your paycheck. I hope your mon sees Ron for what he is…..sooner than later. Enjoy what you have and be patient. You will get your mom back on the right track eventually.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Maybe the f$):4ing ministry should get a REAL job – right Wayne?

  • Atrocious says:

    Is that the best they can say – “Get a job”? How lame. You know, we’ve asked question after question after question, challenging them to list at least one prophecy that has come to pass when he said it would, and none of them have answered any of the questions. All they can say is “get a job”. Not ONE pkg member of “staff” can point out anything that has happened when ron-god said it would happen. What does that tell you? Yet, Mike here has had quotes, documents, videos, everything he needs to back up everything he has said. And when anyone asks US a question, we have a direct and truthful answer. What does THAT tell you??? C’mon, peoples (ron followers), open your eyes!!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Mary Kay, why don’t you get a real job? Instead of keeping track of what Randy posts here?

    Or maybe you’ve got a few thousand people lined up outside your door waiting to be baptized. How many have you dunked so far?

  • randy terlecki says:

    thanks!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Do they really believe MILLIONS are going to be baptized before May 27th, 2012? I heard Wayne mention millions, but I wasn’t sure if he meant before May 27th. If they truly believe that they will baptize millions before May 27th, then they are not deceived as much as they are incredibly stupid. The logistics of that kind of work will require an organizational system in place that would be exponentially bigger than HWA’s. They are far beyond ‘not ready’ for such an event. What kind of arrogance makes that statement without realizing just how complex that will be? If someone told me my business was going to include MILLIONS of clients int eh next six months, I would quit! I am not prepared to handle/be the CEO of that something that large. That kind of growth only happens in business with an infrastructure in place PREPARED long in advance for it. Ron/Wayne/Terry/Laura/Johnny are ABSOLUTELY not ready for it and neither are the sheeple.

    Not like it matters, because it is not going to happen. Chalk up yet another BIG lie from Ronnie and his gang of bullies…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Plus, let’s not forget the math.If they expect to baptize two million people from now until May 27th, they would have to baptize roughly 11,000 people a day!! So let’s be conservative and say 10,000. They would have to start TODAY with the manpower they have. If only Ron and his top four guys started doing this they would each have to baptize 2000 people, at the rate of at least 11 people a day! That’s a lot of dunking. Where are they going to do it? The person has to be fully immersed. So arranging 11 baptisms a day?

    Good. luck.

  • Atrocious says:

    It’s all spiritual, you know. They won’t have to “physically” baptize these people…all ron-god has to do is wave his hand in the air in the general direction of all these millions and say that they’re baptized, and, WALLA! LOL

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    5 million people = 27,777 people a day.
    6 million = 33,333 people a day.
    7 million = 38,888 a day.

    The population of my city (Toronto, Canada) is about 2.5 million. So Ron and his flunkies would have to baptize Toronto before May 27th.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron’s arrogance has been spiritually transferred to his sheeple. They have no perspective on anything anymore if they sincerely believe what Ron and Wayne say.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    It’s a little harder and also a little easier than you portray.

    The harder is that Ron prophesies 10 million people joining in the US. A tithe of a third of the population.

    And making it harder is that all this baptizing is to happen after the Great Tribulation really, really, for-sure arrives this time, motivating the millions to want to join.

    The easier is that Ron has ordained a bunch of associate elders, probably well over 100 by now, to help out. And maybe they will be helped out by the 3000 or so ex-WCG that are supposed to join when the 5th thunder really, really, for-sure arrives this time and kills all the other tithe farmers.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    So we at least one set number…10 million. So…that’s 10 million reasons to believe Ron is a False Prophet when May 27 comes and goes. It MUST be 10 million because Ron prophesied that, a third of X, or a 10% tithe of Y is an exact number.

    How many prophecies must fail before any of the PKG wake up? Can “God” really make so many revisions to his plans without negating the entire point of revealing prophecy? Why not just NOT reveal prophecies? If human logic can create a greater God than Yahweh, what does that say about Yahweh? We are using HIS standards to judge him, not ours. When Yahweh says it is OK to sell your daughter and we say it is immoral, can God legitimately call himself a God of Love. I would believe in Yahweh if he were called the God of Hate and Misery…and then I would reject him on moral grounds like I already do.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    This is the EVIL thing that Ron and his followers do:

    They assign any and all criticism or questioning as a spiritual flaw, like the only source of human reasoning is spiritual. Thus, even if you have FACTS with you, they are irrelevant, because they only speak in allegorical terms. Thus, any opposition to their practices is vanity and pride, any doubts are arrogance, any possible deviation is “hate for God” or “truth”. This is the mark of a spiritual BULLY, and Ronald Weinland is exactly that. Proof? He CURSED TO DEATH those that disagree with him. He says that only HE can provide God’s truth via the structure of HIS church, which he pretends is GOD’s church. HE says God CAN’T work outside of Ron’s church. So God is capable of changing prophecy but not the minds of those who earnestly seek him outside of Ron’s church. Ron is ascribing attributes to God like they are holy scripture. Ron is bullying God as well. You seek your own destruction if you choose to believe that Ron can dictate on what terms God can operate. Only a bully would demand such things. If he was truly a theist he would not think to proclaim his own will as God’s.

    I don;t believe there is a God named Yahweh.But if there were Ron is certainly his enemy.

  • martin says:

    Mat 7:15-20
    (15) Beware of FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    (16) Ye shall KNOW them BY THEIR FRUITS. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    (17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    (18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    (19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    (20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    It does not say…because they tell you they are true prophets…then you should accept them at their word…or if they sincerely believe they are who they say they are…then you should believe they are prophets…
    NO…it is by their FRUITS..that is by the RESULTS, for prophets, the results are WHETHER WHAT THEY SAY CAME TO PASS OR NOT.

    You are correct, Ronald Weinland is an enemy of God. You know that, by Ronald’s FRUITS, by now we have a truck load of fruits, failed prophecy after failed prophecy, and the ULTIMATE FAILED PROPHECY…the NON-Return of Jesus Christ himself, is on the horizon.

  • martin says:

    “If” Christ does not return, Ronald said he would have a sermon explaining that…

    Rather than shouting out to the congregation that he is wrong, was deceived, deceived others, and is utterly a false prophet

    99% of the church will listen to his excuse, and follow him after May 2012.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    We here have said OVER and OVER that May 27th is NOT the Return of Christ. We have stated it as openly as Ron has that Jesus WILL return on that date. When that day comes we will be proven correct, and that Ron was wrong.

    Ron is so vain now that he is pathologically incapable of shame or guilt, and on that day (May 27h 2012) he will graduate from sociopath to psychopath if he does not accept the responsibility for his actions.

  • martin says:

    I will laugh if Ronald tries to claim that Christ did return after May 27, 2012, and that it was spiritual.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Ron laughed at Harold Camping, now Camping will be able to laugh at Weinland.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    I’m sure Camping would Ava, if he knew who Ronnie even was! Lol.

  • jack635 says:

    I’m sure Camping would Ava, if he knew who Ronnie even was! Lol.

    So true Kirrily. Besides the few hundred PKG members and the handful of blog commentors, who has even heard of Ronald Weinland and his COG? That news clip on tv about a minister being arraigned was probably seen by thousands but quickly forgotten. No one knows about him.

  • Christ says:

    I’m not ready yet! Tell Ron, he’s not listening.

  • Satan says:

    Hey! Stop pushing up the timeline Ron!!! I haven’t gotten my Asian Hordes and Anti-Christs ready yet!!!

  • YAHWEH says:

    Hey! Don’t look at me! I didn’t tell him to say that!!!

  • DANIEL the PROPHET says:

    70 Weeks? I said “Seventy Leeks”. I was making some soup for the Babylon Chamber of Commerce’s Annual Luncheon…

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    Lmao!!!!! : D

  • YAHWEH says:

    Oh Hi Kirrily! This is the Almighty God Yahweh.

    I would just like to apologize on behalf of all the False Prophets who have fooled you. They were totally wrong, because I don;t exist. Well, I DO exist, but not in Reality. Truth is, I am a protein known as ML3-9130X, the protein responsible for intuition. I misfire every once in awhile and then people think I am talking to them. I don;t talk to anyone, but if I am not sequenced right in an RNA matrix, people think God exists. Sorry about that. With all the inbreeding caused by Adam and Eve’s, and Noah’s children, this flaw was replicated and now billions of people carry this mutation, and go into buildings on weekends to play games that they think will make me happy.

    But thankfully this flaw has not been passed on to you or your child. So sorry about all the deficient RNA replicas surrounding you, and good luck with the rest of your life. I’m proud of the work you’ve done so far…

  • Jesus says:

    Hey wait a minute! If yahweh doesn’t exist then I…(poof!!)…

  • Satan says:

    Oh thank God I don’t exist! I was getting tired of Ron always saying that…(poof!!!)….

  • EVIL says:

    Hah!! I will ALWAYS exist!! LOL!!

  • Kirrily XPKG says:

    LMAO LMAO!!!!! Love it!!!

  • MUSIC says:

    Help!! I’m being held hostage by Justin Bieber!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Help! I’m being held hostage by a small, middle-aged Vietnamese woman, and have been forced to eat her amazing food, and make wild, passionate love with her when our two beautiful kids are not within earshot!!