Federal Indictment of Ronald Weinland

Note: A later posting with text of the indictment.

Yet another posting about the arraignment.

Another posting about a delay in the trial until March.

Yet another posting about defense motions to allow more time for motions and to preserve interview notes.

 

Note: Link to other articles on this site about the IRS investigation.

Breaking news, will pass along more as I learn it.  For now:

Weinland finally makes it on TV in the US WCPO TV 9 report

WKRC Channel 12

Cincinnati.com

WLWT TV

Fox 19 TV

Lexington Herald Leader

I had pretty much given up on the tax fraud investigation, figured that the IRS had decided that it was not prosecutable.  Glad that turned out to not be the case.

Press Release from the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky ——

PRESS RELEASE

November 10, 2011

COVINGTON — A Union, Ky., minister was indicted today by a federal grand jury in Covington for attempting to evade thousands of dollars in income taxes.

A Union, Ky., minister was indicted today by a federal grand jury in Covington for attempting to evade thousands of dollars in income taxes.

The Indictment alleges that Ronald Weinland, 62, attempted to evade taxes in the amount of $357,065 over a period of five years starting in 2005.

Robert Weinland’s alleged acts of evasion included filing tax returns, understating his gross income, using church funds for personal expenses and failing to claim those funds as income on his income tax returns, and failing to report the existence of a bank account in Switzerland. He also allegedly failed to report any interest made on that account as income.

Kerry B. Harvey, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky, and Christopher R. Pikelis, Special Agent in Charge, Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation Division, jointly made the announcement today after a federal grand jury in Covington returned the Indictment.

The investigation preceding the Indictment was conducted by the Internal Revenue Service. The Indictment was presented to the grand jury by Assistant United States Attorney Robert K. McBride.

Weinland’s appearance before the United States District Court has not yet been set. If convicted, Weinland faces a maximum prison sentence of five years. Any sentence, however, following conviction would be imposed by the court after consideration of the United States Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of sentences.

 

116 Comments

  • Red says:

    Awesome,..TOTALLY AWESOME! I hate ill will on anyone but he’s robbing people including a family member. I hope they give him time,…especially on the 27th!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    OH MAN! THAT’S what he was referring to when he was getting everyone ready to follow him. He must have known that something was up, because you CAN’T FAKE claims of that magnitude against someone. Sexual harassment yes. Slander/libel yes, these can be questioned in court. There is NO WAY tax evasion charges brought by the IRS are frivolous, else they wouldn’t dare try to get an indictment. Keep in mind that an indictment is NOT a verdict but a formal accusation. If he is found guilty (please please please!!) THEN he is clearly on the ropes. So let;s not get our hopes up too much until we see that a guilty VERDICT is likely.

    Chacha: I hope you are dancing and singing right now. You have been given a pretty clear sign that Ronald Weinland is a FALSE prophet and allegedly FALSIFIES his tax returns.

    I guarantee you Ron will be “married” to the guy with the most cigarettes in prison (“possibly”)!!

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Bubba’s bitch!!!!! Lmao!!!! Please be a guilty verdict!!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hey Kirrily!!! Must feel REALLY good! We ex-WWCGers never got anything like this from Herbie. The case was shut down. THIS is a formal INDICTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You reap what you sow Ronnie!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Guaranteed Ron will say that the Devil is trying to get him!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Prophet FAIL

    Mockers WIN!!!!!!

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Sure does feel good Ava!! Hey, can Laura get in trouble too? Would be awesome if she gets some time as well!! :)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And one of the charges is that he FAILED to report his Swiss bank account! That is NOT a mistake on the paperwork or a slip of the math. That is an obvious omission. You can’t just “forget” a foreign bank account with at least $300,000 in it!!!!

    I don’t see how he will be found innocent of that charge…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    legally, she could be found guilty if she prepared the tax info, or she had to file any separate paperwork that also omitted federally required information. Signing the document too is understood as having made factual claims, and your signature endorses any and all claims made on the document. Omissions are considered falsification, not “mistakes”, thus the paperwork is VERY specific as to what MUST be included. If Laura or Ron put their names to that document, they are legally responsible for any and all consequences, positive or negative.

    If Laura is in on this too there is a GOOD chance she will giving “tossed salads” to her mamas nightly!

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    OMG!! Lmao!! Tell me I’m not dreaming this!!!!

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Like you say though Ava, I’ll try not to get tooooo excited before the guilty verdict!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Just updated the post with a copy of the US Attorney’s press release.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Also remember Kirrily that this case was brought to a GRAND JURY by the US ATTORNEY’S office. We already have high level action going against Ronnie now. This is not just “Hey, Ron forgot report his duty free whiskey to Hawaiian customs and will be charged $200 by the Kentucky feds.” This is a FEDERAL action against tax fraud!

    You can fool the sheeple Ron, but you can’t fool thinkers…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And let me say this at least once. You all know I am NOT religious.

    But Thank GOD for Kerry B. harvey, and Chris Pikelis. They are angels sent from heaven to give the sheeple a good wake up call!! I hope any and all actual Gods BLESS the crap out of these two GREAT Americans for doing their duty and fighting injustice when it arises.

    God Bless America, God Bless Mike (DDTFA), and hey, why not? God bless NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS this year…

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    This is GOLD!!!!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Almost as good as ABBA Gold!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    It is like the second Death Star just blew up and I’m dancing with Ewoks. A hot Asian ewok who looks like my wife of course…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I guess Ronald Weinland has never read this little doozy on the Attorney’s Office website:

    “The primary civil weapon against fraud is the False Claims Act, 31 U.S.C. §§ 3729-3733. Enacted in 1863, the Act allows the United States to collect triple damages and civil penalties of $5,500 to $11,000 per violation from persons who submit fraudulent claims for federal monies. This includes health care fraud, defense procurement fraud, workers’ compensation fraud, and a variety of other frauds against the federal government.”

    Uh-ohh, Hot Dog!!…

  • James says:

    Well if Ron serves time in this life maybe he won’t be reincarnated as a cockroach in the next life!

  • James says:

    I should have started a cult instead of another business. The problem I would have faced is, just how do you get so many faithful “Blue Ribbon” tithe payers?

    If found guilty, may it happen on his May day dooms day next year. Don’t forget that when sentencing comes around, good citizens should write a letter to the judge to ensure that true justice will be served!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Since Ron has been happily chirping about having $200,00+ dollars in his Swiss account on his website, NOT reporting the amount over $10,000 is DEFINITELY fraudulent, as as claiming$9,999, and actually having $10,001 is easily explainable as a slip. Claiming it is under $10,000 (when it contains $200,000) or non-existent by not revealing the account or the interest is FRAUD.

    The FBAR report will probably be the pin that gets pulled out of this poop grenade…

    I am LOVING!!!! this story!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I should point out that Avalo is definitely NOT A LAWYER.

    For more researched info (although not from a lawyer), check out this post and this one from two years ago (we’re about 6 months behind my speculated timeline, but then I don’t claim to be a prophet ;) ). IANALOAP (I am not a lawyer or a prophet ;)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Yes, LEGAL DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and am merely speculating on the alleged misdeeds of “Ronald Weinland”. It is merely speculation and does in no way reflect or have bearing on reality. These are merely opinions provided for the purpose of Internet entertainment, and any and all similarities to actual court cases or Ronald Weinlands or religious prophets is coincidental.

    If this “Ronald Weinland” character on the ‘Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God’ comedy website is intended to be a caricature of a real person involved with legal action in the state of Kentucky, USA, then I wish he and the prosecutors well, as my opinion was based solely on the humorous stories and comedic audio clips posted…

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “In one year alone the Internal Revenue Service alleges it was understated by more than $133,000.”

    Oops! Looks like reverend Ronnie’s pen slipped when he was filling in that amount on the form. His hand slipped and he accidentally wrote “zero”.

  • Velvet says:

    And congratulations are in order to our fine host, who has seen this whole business with the Witless Weinlands through, for FOUR YEARS now — which is basically a Millennium, in Internet years, when the rest of us lost interest in pursuing it, when the first timeline tanked. :-) You are a testament to the value of the virtues of perseverance, determination, and sheer, dogged will, Mike.

    Congratulations!!! :-D

  • martin says:

    He probably will avoid actual jail time, he will pay a hefty fine….and probably ask the members for help with it.

    On the other hand, he could be forced to sell his house (he doesn’t need it anyway since the world is ending in about 7 months) to pay for the fine.

    Ronald Weinland should be thankful….HE WILL FINALLY BE FORCED TO USE HIS WITLESS POWERS! If he is thrown in jail, he can send fire from his mouth to kill the jailers!
    And send plagues upon the court house!

    Or he could end up as a fellow prisoner’s…..”wife”.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Avalo, what is your source for the last bit about $133,000?

  • martin says:

    Ronald will no doubt have a sermon, telling his flock he is being persecuted.

    Ronald of course, does not understand that one is persecuted for keeping God’s commandments, not for breaking them.

    Christ said, give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and give to God, what is God’s.

    If he is convicted, then he is not only guilty of a crime, he is guilty of a sin.

  • Jamie says:

    What about the trip that he must make to Jerusalum where he must die and remain in the street for 3 and a half days next May? How’s he going to get out of our country?

  • Annastaciabeaverhousing says:

    Pardon my french but HOLY SHYTE!!! I hope this man is found GUILTY! he has taken enough from people. I am telling you he is Satan himself dressed in little man sydrome clothing. DICK

  • chacha says:

    Um…..go away for a DAY and

    yeah, Anna-beaver! WOW! I haven’t read it all yet. Can’t WAIT to hear how THIS is explained….let the tribulation of Ron begin!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Mike (DDTFA): I can;t remember, so I ill go through my browser history to find it…

    Chotto matte kudasai

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    A Federal Grand Jury has indicted a Tri-State minister for tax evasion. The charges include stealing from the church.

    Reverend Ronald E. Weinland from Union’s Church of God-Preparing for the Kingdom of God Congregation was charged with crimes dating back to 2005. The indictment alleges Weinland attempted to evade taxes in the amount of $357,000 over a period of five years.

    Weinland is accused of filing tax returns that understate his gross income. In one year alone the Internal Revenue Service alleges it was understated by more than $133,000. Some of that money is allegedly tied to using ministry funds for personal expenses and failing to report any interest earned from a secret bank account in Switzerland.

    If convicted on all counts, the 62 year old could get prison time and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.

    http://www.local12.com/news/local/story/Union-Minister-Accused-of-Tax-Evasion/EupLq8Rg_UuMwDQlg-cnpg.cspx?rss=30

  • chacha says:

    So does the COG-PKG fit the definition of a cult? Hmmmm…here is some of my notes from the book “Soul Snatchers: The Mechanics of Cults” by Jean-Marie Abgrall
    How Cults are organized: “Reducing Cognitive Dissonance” p.83-84
    A term by Festinger, [American sociologist] “sectarian groups have the capacity to “recalibrate” their objectives or their thought when a confrontation with reality shows the thought to be false.” The group will “experimentally” revise its thoughts and analyze the results. ie: When RW does his “I’m just throwing things out there…” and “What if…” schtick, it is this same process.

    Looking over recent history in a cult, you can see “that the followers are not terribly shaken by the non-realization of their frequent prophecies. Jehovah Witnesses for instance still have no trouble and continue to convert despite numerous dates predicted by them for the end of the world.”

    Festinger studied a Utah cult in the 50′s. The group leader announced the end of the world as Dec. 21, 1954. By then, there were only 25 members. But, they were convinced that a flying saucer would rescue them from the impeding flood. They waited for several days and performed rituals. “The followers were then surprised to be given the happy tidings…that a divine update had been received. The great faith of the cult had saved them from enormous suffering and the final cataclysm had been postponed to a later date,…” to be given later through the usual channels.
    “While ordinary logic would be much shaken in its conviction, on the contrary, [they] were able to recruit more than 200 new followers within days…”

    “The apparent failure of the cult had been changed to advantage by reducing the cognitive dissonance by ammending their message. Notice of an impending apocalypse was converted to a message of love from God and a warning for the future. The failed experiment was interpreted as a pledge of faith of the followers and a proof of the effectiveness of their prayers, since they had caused the postponement of the fatal date.”
    “…all plots and prophecies become possible– the capacity to reduce cognitive dissonance is the cement of the cult when it confronts reality, and this is why the layman is helpless before the nonsense that is spread by these speeches.”
    Cult leaders preach: “the truth can only be found by the zealous. To doubt is synonomous with failure.” There are always new levels to attain before “final enlightenment”.

    Um…looks “text-book” to ME anyway…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Hmmm. How long has this book been out? Maybe Ron is using it as his manual.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Can’t WAIT to see what he says this Saturday!! Lmao!!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    He may pretend it didn’t happen. He has yet to fully describe that he was under investigation, although he strongly alluded to it.

    ChaCha, were you previously aware that Ron was under criminal investigation? I first published it in August of 2008, wondering if the word-of-mouth got around within PKG.

  • chacha says:

    I was not gonna listen but now…it’s like shielding your eyes watching a horror movie…the music comes on…..[que the creepy serial killer]…dumb babysitter dressed in a man’s oxford shirt goes to the basement door….turns the knob. The door creeeeeaks….OMG! You stupid dits! What are you doing? She goes down the stairs…”hello? Is there anyone there?”

    “Incredible…no…truly, it really is!”

  • chacha says:

    I heard talk that he was being “persecuted”. Some of the Cincy group were asked to give statements…It was NOT known to the general congregation. This was “need to know” info…and the sheep did not need to know.

    I’m supposed to be sleeping right now…have a busy day tomor…er…today. *sigh*

    This is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more interesting than SLEEP! “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead”–Warren Zevon Aaaaah-oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!

  • martin says:

    My guess is that he will pull the David defense.

    King David was guilty of a number of major sins….

    The difference is that Kind David admitted his sins and repented, and even then, he had to accept whatever punishment was meted out to him.

    But Ronald will play the victim card, rather then admit he committed a serious criminal act as well as stealing and using the flock’s money for PERSONAL use.

  • Wow. Nice turn around.

    I doubt he’ll due prison time. More than likely, he and his attorneys will plea-bargain an arrangement to have Ronnie pay his back taxes and hefty fines. More than likely though, he’d get probation, which would put a crimp on his globe-trotting. Of course, he may get an exemption since his “ministry” requires him to travel.

    The spirit world must be really shaken up :)

  • Hey Ronnie! Don’t worry. Jesus is returning next year – and you’ll be out of all this. No problems. In fact Ronnie, you should be able to blow this whole thing off and not even respond to this indictment. After all, god’s got your back . . . . right???

    I sure hope this turns out to be an opportunity to get people out of this alleged felonious criminal’s clutches. Chacha, my thoughts are with you that you and your hubby may finally be able to break free of this charlatan.

  • Bamboo_bends says:

    I guess Ron’s going to miss the place of safety huh? Wonder if he’ll do a runner to Brazil or Paraquay where there’s no extradition treaty?

  • Bamboo_bends says:

    Anyone know if he has two passports? There’s a number of countries that will give you a passport for a $25,000 fee. The whole passport for a fee thing is a huge scam on citizens, even the USA does it (or did – might have changed since 9/11) but I think the fee there is like a quarter million dollars.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I don’t remember that part in the Bible where Moses was accused of tax evasion and Daniel was put in the lion’s den for illegal commodities trading!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Of course, Christians shouldn’t gloat at this time because…hey! wait a minute! I’m NOT a Christian!!

    Hahahhaahahhhaaaahahaaaa!! Gloaty-gloat gloat gloat, mockety-mock mock mock. Haha! Ronnie you got caught! Ha ha. Even if you weasel your way out of this one, you got caught lying and cheating!

    Gloat!!

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Hahahaha! I’m with you Ava! I bet Laura is burying her diamond rings they bought with tithe money as we speak!

    I can’t wait to hear what Chacha can report to us after services on Saturday!

    I wonder if Ronnie will say anything? Surely he would have to! I mean, all the followers would be scouring the news looking for the signs of the Tribulation, and the story is ‘out there’ now – surely he will have to say something?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Almost guaranteed if he does it will be in the context of Satan trying to get him, and this is proof that he is right because there is so little time left for X and Y and Z.

    But he has been served by the US Attorney of Kentucky after a Grand Jury decision. No small matter…no baseless indictment.

  • Matt says:

    So THAT was what the sackcloth references were about… I bet he is not going to spin this as an attack by Satan, but as God humbling him and the church. He has alluded to it already in the last sermon, hasn’t he? Something about his preaching in sackcloth not having started yet?

    BTW if the IRS manages to postpone the apocalypse, I guess we know that both death and taxes are certain, but taxes take precedence :P

  • Annastaciabeaverhousing says:

    This Scumbag man will blame this on his Sheeple… He will turn it around on them and tell them they didn’t pray hard enough and Satan is somehow causing this. He will not take any blame for his mess. People like him never do.. it is always someone elses fault. Ron will twist and turn and add some more mind damage his Sheeple.

  • randy terlecki says:

    i wish my dad could have lived to see this everyone knew but my mother (and i’m not too sure she didn’t ) I LOVE TO SEE A CON MAN CROOK GET NAILED) I’M SO HAAAAAPPPYYY!!!!!!! that bast%$^d will be hum belled now behind bars. but his sheep will still follow its satans fualt bad satan.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Well, I gave Ronnie a chance to do this right and he goes and breaks the law. Oh Ronnie, I had such high hopes for you and the sheeple.

    Sweet! I hope he gets a year in jail for every penny he (probably) didn’t report…

  • Atrocious says:

    It would be nice if the indictment would finally break this cycle if and when they find him guilty and give him jail time. de-brainwashing people is one of the hardest things to do when their leader has so thoroughly programmed what and how to think. I would wish that his people would all wake up and see the truth of who he really is, but I really don’t think that’s going to happen. Like it’s been mentioned here, they will probably swallow the “mercy” pill or the “blame” pill and pull together even stronger to support their persecuted god, Ron. I can only wait and see what happens.

    It’s too early for a beer, but *clink* have a cup of coffee on me.

  • Whisper01 says:

    Well well well… Ronny having some problems with the three most dreaded letters in the alpphabet, the I, the R, & the S?
    Ain’t that a shame? Whats a Witness to do? Must be ol Nicky (Satan) attacking him. No matter the courts and IRS have not a man with “Flame Weapon” oral attacks yet ay? Should be in for quite the suprise then Ron roasts the legal inditements in their hands and them next.

    Do tell, does such an inditement prohibit Ron from leaving the country? Does he need to seek special permission now to waltz around the globe on planes and take cruises? For lest we forget, our Most Powerful Witness since Mosses has a date with destiny in the big J-City in less than 7 months. Wouldn’t want to be late to his own funeral.

    Poor Mrs. Witness, first she can’t speak and now she has to endure the one who can speak to be so harrassed.
    Go figure?

  • J says:

    They should seize his passport. After all, with all the traveling he does to other countries, and his obvious guilt, he is a flight risk.

    That would put a damper on any May “plans” he has in Jerusalem…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Next up would be his arrest, then arraignment. At the arraignment, bail would be considered. I expect that the bail terms would require that he surrender his passport until the case is resolved. I think he should be required to wear an ankle bracelet too.

    If they were smart, they took him into custody before issuing the press release.

  • JB says:

    It is a beautiful day!!!! Ron would certainly be a bigger flight risk than the average criminal. Without a doubt he will be grounded for a long time.

  • randy terlecki says:

    happy dance all day!! i’m not a mean person just don’t like crooks.

  • J says:

    That means his mugshot will be soon too.

  • Whisper01 says:

    Someone then should tell the police officers that are to arrest Mr. Witness to bring oven mitts and possibly a fire resistant suit for the prophet may yet breath fire upon them! But if our good apostel refrains, mayhap he’s saving up a belly full for the judge? Best warn the court system just whom they are dealing with here and keep several cans of fire suppressent on hand for just such an emergency. Nothing like a face full of fire suppressent foam in the face to really cool one off.
    Go figure?

  • Helen Wright says:

    ALL PRAISE BE TO GOD!! These false prophets are going to have to face the almighty and it won’t be pretty. Now I know the end will be near when more of the false prophets get caught teaching Satans ways and not God’s word. Greed and puffyness is of Satan, not God. I pray that is followers will see the light and be thankful to our Great God for being shown the truth
    of Ron and Laura. The followers of the Cult will be in my prayers that they will find their way back to the True God. Repent and accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior, for he is the only way to our Salvation..

  • martin says:

    Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he **MUST** IN THIS MANNER BE KILLED.

    Doesn’t say maybe he should be killed. Or the two witnesses should maybe think it over. Or they should postpone it till May 27, 2012.

    To NOT do this is to disobey a direct command from God.

    Lemme guess which route Ronald Weinland will take…..hmmm……..

  • Red says:

    “I do know that the investigation of him by federal tax authorities has gone on for years–notice something that one of the anti-Weinland sites posted in 2008:”

    Got that quote from cog-writer. I wonder which anto-Weinland site he was refferring to?

    Here’s the cog-writer story:

    http://www.cogwriter.com/news/prophecy/cgpfk-ron-weinland-indicted-for-possible-tax-evasion/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChurchOfGodNews+%28Church+of+God+News+from+www.cogwriter.com%2Fnews%2F%29

  • J says:

    Thiel never could bring himself to cite this blog. Likely because it denounces HWA as well. Childish, really. If it weren’t for this blog, would he know ANYTHING about Weinland? I doubt he listens to the sermons or checks his blog repeatedly for updates.

    But then, Thiel is still incapable of properly naming the church he condemns. What the heck is CGPFK? Everyone, Weinland himself, shortens it as COG-PKG.

  • randy terlecki says:

    i’m glad 4 this blog and mike, makes me sleep good at night knowing someone puts the real truths out there!!!

  • Jocko says:

    I guess Ron won’t be celebrating Passover one last time in the Netherlands like he was hoping for. Even a “witness” can’t travel overseas without a passport these days. The feds may also want to keep a tight leash on him in the Cincy area but his attorney will argue he needs to travel to fulfill his ministerial obligations as pastor to his congregation.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, I think Ron mentioned plans to be in Australia for Passover. But whether there or the Netherlands, I think his international travel plans are curtailed. Maybe even his domestic travel agenda — maybe the ministerial conference in December will be in Cinci instead of sunny Florida.

  • martin says:

    Somebody should email him, and ask him (without using sarcasm), if he will use his Witness powers so that he can proceed with his work.

    I would love to see his response.

  • Steve says:

    Avalo said “I guarantee you Ron will be “married” to the guy with the most cigarettes in prison (“possibly”)!!”

    YEah if he gets time that cupcake coward traitor is gonna get eaten alive. IF he does time i doubt it will be more than a year….and he will do less than that if he gets good time. But i am sure it will be enough to give him a taste of what he deserves….put him in Lompock California or another well known bad place with Aryan Brotherhood, the bloods n crips and all those other friendly fellows

  • Atrocious says:

    Go ahead, Martin.

  • Steve says:

    Plus, if they find him guilty and it is proven etc, i hope this is a clear message to his followers that if ihe can lie to the government, then he can easily lie to them…..if they think logically that is

  • J says:

    They don’t think logically. They will view this as Satan attacking him and prophecy being fulfilled. Those who would be shaken by this would not be “true believers”.

    Then when May 27 fails, that will also be prophecy being fulfilled. Those shaken by the date failure obviously weren’t in it for life, which is apparently more important than actually getting things correct.

    Anything goes right, anything goes wrong -> PROPHECY!

  • randy terlecki says:

    maybe Tammy Faye Baker left some make up 4 him! lol

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Forget make-up, Ronnie’s new prison name will be Tammy!!

    Tossed Salad Tammy…

    (a “tossed salad” is prison slang for **** -ing a person’s unwashed *****)

  • randy terlecki says:

    just hope he goes the way jim baker did and not jim jones i have skin in that game

  • randy terlecki says:

    or maybe they can fast for 2 days and save his ass. lol

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I hope you are celebrating this right now Randy. You have been through a lot, and you deserve a little emotional justice at the very least.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Dont worry Randy, Ronnie and the wench are cowards – to the core. They would never give their lives.

    I’m interested as to why a few of you are saying ‘IF’ he gets time. I assume you guys are saying that due to jail over crowding? I’m thinking that if it has come this far, and found guilty (which surely he will be on at least one charge), then surely he would get jail time?

    Mike, if the next step is the arrest, how soon do you think that would happen?

    Do you think the investigators read this blog? If I were them I would be really worried about him being a flight risk. A delusional coward after all, who becomes desperate to keep the scam going, would definatelybe a huge flight risk IMO.

  • With the IRS, the Devil is in the details.

  • martin says:

    Why has it taken 5-6 years to get even an indictment? If they had reasonable cause to begin an investigation 5-6 years ago, I would think that they had would have enough evidence to indict years ago.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Because they want to make an air-tight case, and they would have had to be in contact with the Swiss bank, which requires legal procedures internationally, possible legal coordination with Interpol, and such. You don’t just accuse someone with suspicions, you must LEGALLY document fraud where possible and provide just cause to act on suspicion of fraud. Ronald Weinland is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and the ramifications for the US Attorney’s office are large if they mess up the case. Ron could sue them for MILLIONS if they get sloppy. The cops are also INNOCENT of perjury until they make a false claim on Ronald Weinland’s tax status. Thus, it is fair to say that the Kentucky Feds are going to pursue this case fairly and legally, and find Ronald Weinland guilty or innocent of any and all charges if that is FACT.

    Once again let me be clear on my position. Ronald Weinalnd has committed no crimes that we know of. I think he is a smart jerk who is making money (legally) off of idiots. IF he is actually guilty of the indictment against him, then I hope the Law punishes him accordingly. If he is not, I would not want him to unduly suffer, no matter what my personal OPINION of him is. I wish for the truth to be revealed, that is all.

    But I ALSO reserve my right to free speech in MY country (not the USA), and laugh uproariously if he ends up in prison, fighting daily to defend his anal virginity!

  • J says:

    No such thing as free speech on an internet forum, though. Unless it’s government-run, that is.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Avalo, if you say that Ronnie committed no crimes then PROVE IT.

    But no, convincing people that you are God’s prophet and they should line your pockets with their life savings is not a crime in the US. Failing to pay income taxes on the proceeds is against the law. To do so “willfully” is a criminal violation.

  • GD says:

    Great news , Wonder if he declared his accounts with Barclays in London ,and probably accounts in the other countries where he is conn ing people .
    Hope he gets his book thrown at him.

  • Jocko says:

    Martin, I believe I read the investigation started in 2008 and originally covered tax years going back as far as 2005. Mike would know more about this. Kirrily, for all we know Ron could be in the pokey as we speak. He may have already surrendered but he could also be released on bail in time for this Saturday’s Sabbath broadcast. In any event Saturday’s broadcast should be a hum dinger.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Mike (DDTFA): I said “Ronald Weinalnd has committed “no crimes that we know of”. I did not say he has committed “no crimes”. Once again, the charges against him make it look like he is guilty. But it is a formal charge, NOT a conviction. Almost guaranteed he is guilty if the Feds are making those charges public. To invent such bold claims would be libel, as they are printing/releasing a document on their website that says what they are charging him with. BUT they use the word “charged”, which legalize for “accused of”. To say I said Ronnie has committed “NO crimes” is a red herring.Not like I really care though, as you are always insightful and open minded when you post for or against anyone’s opinion. In deed I welcome and appreciate any questioning of my statements from you either way, as I always end up wiser when you do.

    Somebody around here has to stand up to the Anti-Christ atheist with the long Buddhist name! :)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Jocko: I agree with you. Saturday’s broadcast should be great.

    But my guess is someone else will give it. Ron will call Wayne and tell him to rework one of his old sermons, and give it so ROnnie can think of something to say that makes this look like either God is testing him, Satan is trying him, or this is another test for the sheeple.

    Mike (DDTFA): I don;t know US law that well. Do you know if the Attorney’s Office has the power to arrest someone and retain them in a case like this, especially if they think he is a flight risk. I know the officers carry some sort of badge and a gun, but is it to arrest or issue the indictment? It would be interesting to know whether Ron is being held or not…

    (I am also eagerly awaiting the CoG-PKG official statement on Ron’s “trials”, if they say anything at all…)

  • Ron will call Wayne and tell him to rework one of his old sermons, and give it so ROnnie can think of something to say

    But, but, but… I thought the Spirit was promised so you could give the answer: What’s with needing a recess to consider the testimony… er… sermon?

  • Jocko says:

    Avalo, I was thinking the same thing about Wayne pinch-hitting for Ron tomorrow. I hope this isn’t the case but even if it is it should still be an interesting sermon nonetheless. The US attorney’s office is the highest office of law enforcement in the land reporting directly to the US attorney general. Once an indictment is issued the accused can be arrested by a number of federal agencies including US Marshall’s Office, FBI, or in Ron’s case most likely IRS criminal investigators. If Ron decides to take a powder the FBI and US Marshall’s could then become involved in the case.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron has realized that this day was a strong possibility for quite some time. I think he’s figured out already how he’s going to spin it. Unless he is incarcerated, he’ll give the sermon.

    Once they have the indictment, the IRS will arrest Ron and bring him in for arraignment. At that time, the judge will probably set bail and require that he surrender his passport. There’s also a possibility that Ron will hide out with various members, who would do that for him. He could continue to deliver sermons electronically prerecorded from undisclosed locations. I think they should have picked him up before issuing the press release.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    I think you are right Mike (DDTFA), but the hiding out defeats his Witnessing duties, and goes against the example of Paul, Daniel, and others willing to face the public and die for their beliefs.
    If Daniel is willing to be eaten by a lion, surely Ronald Weinland the Witness can breath fire against his enemies who merely want him to pay a fine and face prison time, which the Apostles did regularly and without hate for their accusers.If Weinland pulls all this he loses his status and is way worse off if when he is inevitably captured on the run.

    But we haven;t seen Ronnie under this kind of pressure before, so maybe you are right Mike (DDTFA)! You could be more of a prophet than you think!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron’s followers have already absorbed so many failures and contradictions, this one won’t phase them a bit.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Mostly likely! But I would love to see Ronald Weinland try and go on with ZERO followers like he said he would and…wait a minute! what am I saying? When has Ron ever done what he has promised?!! You are totally right Mike!!

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And once again Mike (DDTFA) let me say how much I appreciate you staying with this story and keeping your eyes peeled for RW IRS news for years. You have brought us all here a lot of joy by alerting us to the current situation.

    You are great, and I hope you get/achieve everything you hope for in life!!

  • Since we have this hot topic of the indictment of Ronnie, I thought a quick primer may help those not familiar with the criminal legal process. Disclaimer: I am not an attorney. I was briefly a municipal law enforcement officer, but that hardly gives me the qualifications for being an expert on federal criminal proceedings. Use this information at your own risk.

    First, Ronnie was indicted. What does that really mean? Well, its the first step in federal criminal court actions. What happened previously is the IRS investigated Ronnie to determine if, in their opinion, Ronnie broke federal laws related to tax evasion. If and when they feel they have enough evidence that a crime was committed, they bring that evidence to a United States attorney (the prosecutor). The US attorney may conduct their own investigation, and if they feel they have a prosecutable case (i.e., they think they can get a conviction for the alleged crimes), then they bring the evidence before a federal grand jury.

    A grand jury is like a regular jury (normal every-day people, or “peers” of the accused), whose job is to review the evidence the prosecutor has, and independently determine if the evidence presented warrants moving ahead with actually charging the defendant with the crimes. Note that it is rare for a grand jury to dismiss the prosecutors charges. Grand juries are conducted behind closed doors (there is no representative for the accused present), and many view grand juries as just a rubber stamp for the prosecutor.

    If the grand jury agrees that the accused should be charged with the crimes the US attorney laid out, they deliver an indictment. This means that the accused now has a probable cause charge, and a criminal court action will now follow.

    The next step is for a warrant to be issued to arrest the accused. Once the accused is in custody, an initial hearing (or first appearance) before a judge will occur – usually within 24 hours. This hearing is to determine if a bond may be assessed to allow the defendant to go free while awaiting trial – aka bail. Things that go into this assessment is the flight risk of the accused, if they have strong family, business, home, wealth ties to the area, previous criminal convictions, and the like. My guess is that Ronnie will be assessed a bond, probably in the neighborhood of $10,000 or so. If the accused does not flee prosecution throughout the complete court process, then the bond money is returned if full.

    Next an arraignment hearing is scheduled. The arraignment is the presentation of the formal charges from the indictment to the accused. The accused is then afforded the option of pleading innocent or guilty (or in some courts, “no contest”, which is effectively the same as guilty) to each of the charges. If the accused pleads guilty, then a sentencing hearing is scheduled. Else, we proceed to discovery.

    Discovery is the investigation by attorneys of both sides into the charges. This includes things like demands for documents (including those produced by the IRS in their initial investigation), depositions (the interviewing of witnesses), and demands for viewing other evidence. This information is shared between both the prosecution and defense attorneys. Note that this investigation is no longer a law enforcement investigation (like the initial IRS one), but is now a court ordered one. These investigations are much more thorough, and have the weight of the court to enforce compliance with discovery requests.

    When discovery is complete, and that step can take quite some time, the actual trial occurs. During discovery, the defendant and prosecutor gets a pretty good idea of how likely he is to win the case, and many times will choose to plea bargain. This just means that both sides negotiate on what charges the defendant is willing to plead guilty to in order to avoid a trial.

    Most are familiar with trials. The evidence collected during discovery is presented to jurors, and at the end of the presentation, the jurors decide if it is “beyond a reasonable doubt” that the defendant committed the crimes (guilty), or there is reasonable doubt (not guilty).

    Should the defendant be found guilty, or plead guilty at an earlier phase, then a sentencing hearing is held. In this hearing, the defendant is no longer the accused, but a convicted criminal. The judge decides on what punishment is applicable, based upon law, the convicted person’s criminal past, aggravating circumstances, and similar. The judge has some, but not complete, discretion in sentencing – which can include jail/prison time, fines, restitution and probation.

    Well, that’s a very basic overview. As can be seen, there is still a long road to go, and Ronnie is, at this point, merely accused but not convicted. I think it unlikely that Ronnie will get away completely free of these charges, but I also doubt he will do jail/prison time. IMO, I think it is likely he will plea bargain out before trial. Discovery can be a very uncomfortable process for someone with something to hide. An Ronnie has a lot to hide.

  • Steve says:

    “I’m interested as to why a few of you are saying ‘IF’ he gets time”

    Hi Kirrily, i said “if he goes to prison, because i allways like to never assume things, even though i want him to goto prison and he deserves it, the system is a joke to me so i therefore said “if” he goes to prison as i have little faith in a system that hikes up the numbers of the “maximum sentence” which when it comes down to it is usually allways is alot less…..especially if you have no previous convictions….all kinds of factors play into favour for him potentially and so thats why im trying to not get too excited. Hope that explains my view

  • Steve says:

    And thus “if” he gets prison….i think he will only get a year at the most

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Not that I “want” Ron to go to jail, but I personally am not opposed to it if he is guilty. I think though that jail time for Ronnie would be better incentive for his sheeple to escape, as a fine would merely convince them that he has been unfairly assessed. So I do hope he is jailed if he is guilty, for the sake of the saveable sheeple.

    And if this doesn’t rid Ron of ALL of his followers, the remaining sheeple are completely deserving of my contempt.

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    “Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him….Mark 12:17

    Tax is for “Caesar”, thus Ronald Weinland has disobeyed Jesus Christ his Saviour and has blasphemed against him by naming a date for the Second Coming in presumption of Christ himself.

    Further proof he is a False Prophet to Christianity.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I agree with most of what Different Ron said about criminal procedure. However, in federal court the prosecutor is not entitled to discovery from the defendant in a criminal trial. That may have been the case during the OJ trial but this is a different jurisdiction, different rules.

    I have a series of articles relating to the IRS investigation of Ron and a series of articles (1) (2) about IRS criminal investigations and trials in general.

    A guilty verdict is not a foregone conclusion. The government has to prove that (1) Ron owes taxes (usually relatively easy) and that (2) Ron deliberately did not pay them, that it was not due to some kind of misunderstanding. The second element is quite a bit harder than the first, as the jury will have to climb inside Ron’s head (a scary place).

  • the IRS will arrest Ron and bring him in for arraignment

    Oh, let’s hope it isn’t on the Sabbath!

  • Weinlandtranscripted says:

    Does anyone have a copy of the indictment from the Attorney General, not the press release? Some news sources are alleging that Ron had $133,000 in back taxes that he would owe, and there are 5 counts of misconduct pending, but in the Attorney General’s press release they do not mention this information.

  • J says:

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20111111/NEWS010704/111120325/Minister-spoke-Swiss-accounts?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p

    Has this article been linked yet? Pretty thorough since he goes way back to 2003. Mike, did the author reach out to you for comment?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    J, in answer to your questions. Yes. And yes.

  • Jerry Dennison says:

    The IRS doesn’t give on stuff like this. They will take as long as they need to build a case. And, from my experience, when someone is indicted on charges like these they are ALMOST ALWAYS found guilty.

  • Robyn says:

    Wow. You are all great Christians. I pray you will find truth. I pray you will be found guiltless before Christ at his return. Lets begin with which Sabbath You keep. Gods’ or Satans? Jesus said “there is only One truth, One way, One light”. Guess what boys and girls.. He (Jesus) Kept Gods’ Sabbath-, yes the same one as the tribe of Judah, The very same Sabbath that God commanded from the beginning. GOD BLESSED THE 7TH DAY AND SANCTIFIED IT….(that means set it apart for Holy use)..And what time frame….And God separated the Day from the night……and the evening and the morning were the 1ST day…Look up Sunday …define it. (Ooops, I guess God was wrong) because You decided on your own or by relying on yourself for truth vs Gods’ truth that it was ok to keep Sunday vs. Saturday. Truly you all are blind and deaf. Just as the Jews were blind and deaf to Christs’ message so are you all. Mocking people is WRONG and you too will have to account for your behavior, not to me but to God Almighty.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Hey Robyn,

    You should start your own cult. Have a look in the mirror sometime, or maybe you do and they keep breaking.

    Are you as ugly on the outside as you obviously are on the inside?

    One day you will be ashamed of yourself. You are an ugly, ugly person.

    Go now, start your own ministry – you sure do have the right attitude.

    This blog by the way, is not about Theology – it’s about Ron Weinland being a false prophet. If you disagree, simply state the prophecies he has made that have come to pass. Pretty simple. Otherwise, go annoy other people somewhere else with your ugly, ugly prideful self.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Robyn, let me assure you that I do NOT keep Satan’s Sabbath. I guess we’re lucky that your spiritual idol was about to speak over the Internet or we’d have been treated to more of your screed.

    So mocking people is wrong, except of course when you do it.

    Are you planning to travel to Covington, KY on March 20 when the criminal trial for God’s Most Formidable Prophet begins?

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    Hey Robyn, that’s not fair. I am an atheist and I don’t keep any Sabbaths at all! Self-righteously harangue me in stead of Mike (DDTFA).

    And you say mocking people is wrong, yet you sarcastically call everyone here “great Christians”. You are a complete hypocrite, and are complete vain for calling others what you carry inside of yourself. And if you weren’t mocking people then you are judging them which God said NOT to. Even Paul said DON’T judge those OUTSIDE the body of Christ rather admonish those who claim Christ but act in opposition to his message.

    Robyn, you are a failure as a Christian if you believe what you said of us is true. And yes, I DO believe I can judge you, because I don’t believe in your rape-y, murder-y god Abrahamic God.

  • Henry, I redacted your sermon. My blog is not a forum for your preaching. Keep it to yourself.

  • Helen says:

    Mike. I didn’t get to read what the guy wrote, but I have to say you don’t get paid enough for all you have to do to make sure you keep those kind of people out. :)

  • Avalokiteshvara says:

    And as always, the theists who say they want to “debate” and have an “open conversation”, merely Scripture-bomb the site and then run away, returning occasionally to try it all again.
    Another great advertisement for atheism and rational thought…and also, another great example of the type of Christian Ronald Weinland is, but pretends not to be…

  • Budgiesmugglers says:

    Hey Ronald ( Bible Boy ), seems like ya prophesied a few things , did’nt come true, although, now it seems that ya prophet from mak’in ya misses a prophet, and from all those decent , hardwork’in folks money, who believed ya.

    And on may 23, better ( ya both ) whack on some extra strong deodourent if ya gonna lay in the street ( dead ) in Jeruselem for 3&1/2 days ? its gonna summer up there mate ! and ya dont want to be a bother to the locals !

  • chacha says:

    Ok…who peed in the pool?

  • Budgie smugglers says:

    Hahaha, going by what is going down on this forum, chacha, i’d say It would have been good ‘ol Bible boy himself ! hahaha

    I only read his second book, in 2007, ( I think ) and I couldnt believe the mans hatred and delusional b.s., are ya one of his preach’n blokes ?