Tortured “Truths” in Toronto
False Prophet Ronald Weinland returned to the scene of the crime from two years ago, Toronto in which he prophesied “nukular” explosions before a skeptical audience at ideaCity. But despite none such in the two years since, someone was brought into the fold, perhaps an ex-WCG who saw a rerun on Canadian TV.
Ron is still slowly working his way through his “Truths” and it still appears likely that he will be able to milk them all the way up to the feast in October. It seems that we never can fully understand the truths that HWA made up.
Ron looks forward to next Saturday’s sermon, which will be 40 weeks from the non-return of Jesus Christ and halfway through the 40-week period of judgment on the United States which he declared a few months ago. Perhaps he’ll also clarify when my speedy death which he declared in December of 2008 is going to happen.
Can you clarify what Ronald The False Prophet’s doctrine is again regarding these 40 weeks?
Since next week, will be the start of the last 40 week block…
I had understood it to be that the 2nd to last of the 40 week blocks, was supposed to be punishment on America+Britain etc.., and that the last 40 week block was supposed to be punishment on the rest of the world.
Can you clarify these timings?
Well, there is now proof positive that Toronto has at least one idiot-in-residence, considering the following speaker at IDEAcity mocked Ronnie for his lunacy!
Martin: I’ll clarify the timings for you…Ronald Weinland is a feminine cleansing product (+the bag), and your estimate of any “timings” is more accurate than the fictions coming out of his slimy pie-hole.
I’ll agree with Avalo. But Ronnie’s previous prophesy would have us right in the middle of 40 weeks of judgment on the US, and the final 20 weeks before Christ doesn’t return is to be judgment on the rest of the world. Next week he’ll have to re-prophesy.
The Anti-Christ isn’t here, the Temple of jerusalem hasn’t been rebuilt and inhabited by the Anti-Christ yet, no Asian hordes are amassing, and the Witnesses haven’t shown the world anything.
Seriously WCG-PKG people: Is it not obvious that your beloved Ronnie is not telling the truth? Look at Harold Camping’s bunch…you guys are exactly like them.
Oh, does Harold Camping have people who will continue to follow him even after the rapture doesn’t happen in October? Because PKG people have indicated they’ll still be drinking Ron’s Flavor Aid even after Christ doesn’t return next May.
They stuck with Camping then (May) and will in October. As WCG-PKG undoubtedly will follow Ron after “God” “reveals” to Ron that he has had mercy on humanity and will allow us atheists and queers and Jews and Negroes and Hindus and Buddhists and Muslims and lesbians and Asian hordes and adulterers and foppish louts and Democrats and Canadians and Yankee fans to live another day.
Isn’t it odd how God (in his wisdom and mercy) talks to emotionally unstable middle-age Caucasian men a lot, and appoints them Judge and Jury over the rest of us?
Germany, the dark soul of a prophecied European Empire, is not doing so well economically… They, the unified Europeans under 10 crowns yatta, yatta, yatta, are going to invade and occupy the USA? Maybe the reverse? I find it un-amusing that Ron will not lay down the facts of his theology anymore. 20 weeks and this will sorta happen, 20 more and that will sorta happen, 40 and Ron & the Mrs’s will lie dead in the streets of the J-City… It’s beyond happening now. 9 months and all the predictions are gonna happen double time? When does Ronny go back on his words anyway in the 9 months or will he go like Camping up to the wire and beyond before collapsing into a stroke? But of course Harold believed his schtick, Ronny seems pretty calm for someone destined to die within 9 months, gunned down in the streets or some such… Go figure?
Good point Whisper! If Ron has nine months why is he hanging around giving sermons on weeks and trumpets? So much has to happen and yet…it is almost like , oh I don’t know…he isn’t being entirely truthful about something. Of course that’s not possible. He is the End Time Witness after all. It’s not possible to for him to lie!!:)
Now is the time to mock this foppish lout even harder. What better way to prove to his ‘sheeple’ that he is completely fake.
I am so thankful that God has given us clear guidelines to follow concerning those who represent themselves as prophets or God’s messengers. Ron Weinland has been proven a false prophet by the very Bible he claims to understand. Those who claim to follow the Bible AND believe in Ron Weinland as a prophet of God need to seriously consider their disobedience and following after a man proven to be false.
Therefore, upon the authority of God’s Word and the authority God invests in the church and upon the basis of facts established by biblical process, Ronald and Laura Weinland have been disfellowshipped from from the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 5:13; Matt. 18:17). In the end, it was their impenitence that caused us to put them out of the church. The pattern of sin which made that measure spiritually necessary also explains why we believe he is biblically disqualified from all public ministry. Although disfellowshipment places Ron and Laura outside the fellowship of Christians, we continue to pray that God will use this measure to win back Ron and Laura’s hearts and restore truth and integrity to their lives.
I agree Mark. Ron is also convicted under Galatians section 1 subsection 8. And also again in subsection 9. Sounds worse than a criminal charge. The court can fine or imprison a citizen for violating the law. Is “accursed” worse than imprisonment? I’m going to look up the word accursed.
1 under a curse 2 damnable 3 used to express strong dislike of or anger toward someone or something
Being accursed isn’t so bad. We are accursed as of December, 2008.
Accursed might mean something if there was anything but hot air behind it.
Mark said: “Therefore, upon the authority of God’s Word and the authority God invests in the church and upon the basis of facts established by biblical process, Ronald and Laura Weinland have been disfellowshipped from from the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 5:13; Matt. 18:17)”.
The authority God invests in “the” Church? Basis of facts established by “Biblical process”? I can’t think of one fact established by Biblical process! Facts like the Earth is only 6000 years old? Facts like God condones selling your daughter (Ex. 21:7)? Or maybe facts like the Jewish Messiah was only supposed to come once?
Here is a an actual fact: The God of Abraham that Ron pretends to worship is imaginary
Avalo, Mark is citing the scriptures of the Bible because that is what Ron Weinland pertains (or should I say “pretends”) to. RW uses the Bible as his “authority”, but we all know that he doesn’t have a clue what he says. Whether it is or isn’t the book to follow is a moot point. That’s what RON claims to follow.
I get tired of your constant attacks.
Mark said: “I am so thankful that God has given us clear guidelines to follow concerning those who represent themselves as prophets or God’s messengers. Ron Weinland has been proven a false prophet by the very Bible he claims to understand. Those who claim to follow the Bible AND believe in Ron Weinland as a prophet of God need to seriously consider their disobedience and following after a man proven to be false.”
Unfortunately, there is no false prophet I know of, who’s ever repented.
By Ronald Weinland’s OWN ADMISSION his initial prophecy DID NOT COME TO PASS. Under OT rulings he would have been stoned to death. Under NT rulings he is disfellowshipped out of the Body.
He is an Anti-Christ (his doctrine that Christ did not pre-exist as a God Being, is essentially an Anti-Christ doctrine).
He has put a woman over his church, against the biblical injunction for doing so, this alone would be enough to disqualify his leadership.
He has failed on so many prophectic point, it’s ridiculous.
Well Atrocious, I’m tired of being told an imaginary man in space will send me to Hell if I don’t love him.
Try being openly atheist for one week Atrocious. Let’s see how much you like those attacks…
Ron Weinland only has power over your life if you give him that power, same as anything else. When someone tells me something that I disagree with, I remind myself that everyone has a right to his or her own belief system. Just because they believe a certain way doesn’t mean I have to believe that way also. You, Avalo, have the right to your own opinion, as I do. We both agree that Ron Weinland is a con and a false prophet. The difference with Ronnie is that he has taken his “beliefs” to a new level and is affecting other peoples lives – but, as I said before, he only has the power his followers give him, in their own minds. In reality, he has zero power – over me. The point I’m trying to make is that this blog is about Ron Weinland, not about whether God exists or not. That’s all. Chill. It’s okay.
And by the way, exclusivity (dismissal of an outsider’s criticism) is sadly typical of most religious types. I accept your criticism of my style of criticism and position, but my thoughts are based on fact. Biblical theology and thus Christian opinion/argument is not, so…
…forget Ronald Weinland and YAHWEH, the Vietnamese restaurant down the street is my one true God (Mmmm! Toi muon mua mot bat Pho Tai Nam!).
But don’t worry Atrocious. I am not mad. I really love yours and other’s responses. They inevitably attack me ad hominem without ever challenging my thinking, at all. Not because this is a Ron Weinland site, but rather they would have to argue against at least 2300 years of science, philosophy, mathematics, symbolic logic, and such to do so!
And my Vietnamese-restaurant-God told me to tell you that. She also says that if you don’t worship her she will wrap you in rice paper and dip you for eternity in boiling hot garlic sauce…
My Smurf God would kick your Gods butt any day! I say let the God wars begin! (Superman is on suspension after an incident with Posiden).
Ahh! The Smurf God! I hadn’t reckoned on the Smurf God. My God’s menu specifically states (under forbidden appetizers) that you shall have no other shrimp rolls other than hers. Heretic! Blasphemer! That’s it Kirrily! Let’s settle this the old fashioned way, in the ancient traditions of our foremothers…
…by getting drunk together and singing along with old IceHouse and Men at Work songs on vinyl! It’s a Chunder-rama!
“Not because this is a Ron Weinland site, but rather they would have to argue against at least 2300 years of science, philosophy, mathematics, symbolic logic, and such to do so!”
No, because this is a Ron Weinland site. As Mike said, go get your own blog. They are free.
No, no Superman should never have been suspended, it was all Posidens fault, well him and his fish friends anway…
i been thinking (witch i don’t do much) but if this nut has all this (given knowledge form god ) why doesn’t he have a website or face book page to answer question people ask my cuzin was in the so call church and her husband was going to join (thank god they didn’t) but he asked question ron could not answer and Ron
said he wasn’t ready yet. for one thing he don’t won’t anybody asking anything they are all scared. just saying my friends.
While Avalo has in the past made personal attacks, I’m not seeing it in this comment thread. If I allow others to make biblical arguments as to why Weinland is false, he can offer a different point of view. Even though it’s not popular with most of the crowd, so long as it’s not personal.
Randy, Ronnie’s church website has a FAQ section filled with “truths”. But over the the past few years, his “truths” have been revised a few times. i.e. what’s “true” now wasn’t true before. Like the ordaining of women, and HWA being _the_ end-time Elijah. And the end-time witness not being an apostle. As far as Facebook, he has ordered his elders off of it and strongly encouraged the rank and file to get off as well — most of whom complied since they want to be part of Ronnie’s ordination spree.
I see Mark. So you mean I, the atheist, should go get my own blog to talk about Ronald Weinland’s theology, while theists come here and give long Biblical explanation’s about God and Ron? Why don’t you give me some helpful hints as to what I am allowed, so in future I don’t start thinking and saying the wrong thoughts and words? Gam on rat nhieu.
Oh and Whisper01: I agree with you. the whole Poseidon thing was clearly his own fault. Superman was framed. I mean whose brilliant idea anyway was it to let Old ‘Seidy’ get drunk and not put down his trident anyways?! But then again what can you expect with Cronus as a father, him and his foot-fetishism and all…
Oh and that wasn’t a personal attack…just some comedic sarcasm. But I am assuming you will take it as an attack. My problem is with theology and Ron, and theology in general. I will not cease attacking that, not “them”.
Actually if someone should be repentant or apologize it is you and I, Mark, to Randy Terlecki! LOL! He always comes on the blog and makes relevant points about Ron, and I/we am always running the thread off on a tangent.
Sorry Mike/Randy. I’ll take one for the team on that one. You are honest and sincere Randy, and I hope you will not get too frustrated if/when I run things off the rail a little.
“Why don’t you give me some helpful hints as to what I am allowed, so in future I don’t start thinking and saying the wrong thoughts and words?”
No, I’ll let Mike police his own blog. I was respecting Mike’s MANY previous assertions not to derail a thread, which you do and admit to doing (see your last post).
But, go ahead and hijack another thread to poke fun at Christianity in general, which is what you were trying to do, IMHO. I still won’t bite.
Aaahhh! I love the smell of hypocrasy in the morning. How exactly is your last post about Ronald Weinland? Back to the topic:
Ronald Weinland is a false prophet and has falsely predicted the return of Christ. Why? Because I personally believe that Christianity is based on a myth of Christ’s divinity.This is due to the Judaic scriptures also being myth, save for the existence of a few archeologically verified tribes, cities, and social beliefs. Thus, Ronald Weinland is both false in his interpretation of Christian exegesis and false in his assumption or positing of the veracity of the religion itself. I also believe secular law is superior to Ronald Weinland’s belief in divine law, as slavery in the USA was abolished by a secular government, not the religious leaders themselves. I also believe that this in part due to the Biblical stance on slavery which condones both slavery (Exodus 21:7) and genocide (the complete destruction of several ethnic tribes by the Israelites with divine support from their god Yahweh in order to possess land for settlement). If Ronald Weinland is truly a prophet of this Yahweh, then both his theology and his motives for proclaiming his own spiritual status as Apostle, Prophet, or Witness to Yahweh’s enemies is a danger to those who either vehemently disagree, or unquestioningly agree with it.
For example, Ronald Weinland states in his latest post: “We live in an age that seemingly appears far superior to all other ages of mankind. The last hundred years, with the explosive advancement of science and technology, has made the previous thousands of years of man on earth seem archaic and primitive by comparison”.
As science and technology is not based on a theology positing there is a science God or a technology God who answers our prayers concerning advancements in the field, they are not religions (though one can spiritualize them to the degree that ideologies of scientific hyper-rationalism can become dogmatic). But an ideology is not a religion proper without ritualization of the secular into the sacred such as bowing, kneeling, lifting up one’s hands in front of an image, and as such, utilizing a Petri dish for example does not require an opening prayer or placement in front of an image of its inventor. Having established that, Ronald describes the advancement of science as a historical gesture of obsolescence to previous technologies and modes of thought described by him as “the previous thousands of years of ‘man on earth’” (sic) seem archaic and primitive by comparison.
The problem with this statement is that all fields have undergone this effect, and that the word ‘technology’ can apply to conceptual “tools” as well, such as the idea that the Sun revolves around the Earth, or that the womb was a type of parasite that roved around the lower abdomen of a woman, thus the word “hyster-ical”, a gynecological reference. Thus, Ronald Weinland avoids mentioning the fact that there are still primitive and archaic technologies in action in the very theology he promotes. Science and technology have provided actual physical evidence of evolution, bacteria, pathogens, astronomic phenomena, tectonic and seismic processes, fluid dynamics, chemical bonding, mitosis, and such that posit scientifically sound, testable facts that negate the veracity of the Bible, such as the complete historical records kept in Egypt of the Exodus period that contains no mention, literally or figuratively, of the Exodus, even though the Bible states that a huge number of Jews left Egypt and the Pharoah took an army after them which eventually drowned.
This fact and the fact that earlier religions posited theologies identical to the words of Jesus is one such anthropological advancement that technology affords us. To ignore one technology for another that does not conflict with Weinland’s own theology is both dishonest and disingenuous, and I find that to be an indictment of both Ronald Weinland and the Christian faith in general.
As it is stated in the Biblial Book of Titus (2:9-10 NAB): Slaves
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Imagine this scenario:
Your single/divorced mother is sold into slavery
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By far the biggest contributor to this blog over the past several months has been the atheist Avalokiteshvara. Now that he has been given the green light to promote his atheism this has escalated.
An atheist similarly tried to promote his ideas with lengthy posts on the Ronald Weinland blog run by Citizen X. This was nipped in the bud and he was politely asked to leave.
The Bible definition of anti-christ is a person who denies the Father and the Son, and does not believe that Jesus is the Christ (1John 2:22).
Whilst Avalokiteshvara’s posts are unlikely to influence the faith of mature Christians, they may well have an influence on any newer Christians who visit this blog. The objective of the antichrist spirit is, of course, to persuade others to deny Christ.
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I’ve taken a somewhat hands-off approach to comments on my blog, letting the topic drift a bit. I’ve also been tolerant of expressions of specific religious views (or perhaps non-religious for some).
However, the latest comments have drifted further off topic. And become more preachy. Avalo, let’s not hear anything more about old testament slavery. Weinland doesn’t teach that it’s OK.
And everyone else, don’t be so thin skinned if Avalo has a simple statement of an atheistic view after you’ve expressed a religious one. If you view that as a personal attack, consider what an atheist might feel if you tell him condescendingly that you’ll pray for him.
I’m locking further comments on this post. Weinland has promised a significant sermon today, 40 weeks from the non-return of Christ. So we should have something more relevant to discuss tomorrow.