False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Bloomington IL yesterday. His elder Al gave the opening prayer. Al has followed Ron for a long time and broke his pitcher for him. Al and Barbara recently filed for bankruptcy in federal court. Ron is still ordaining people and last week ordained a woman in North Carolina. Despite the calamity that’s required to hit the United States NOW!!!, planning for the Feast of Tabernacles this fall is continuing and members are to register for a feast site at a website that Ron’s geek Greg will open on Monday. Instructions were given for the upcoming fast on or about April 2. Members are not to go off medication for the fast. Ron pointed out that the Church of God never taught that people should go off insulin for a fast. That fits in with my recollections, people were not to go off medications for a fast as they weren’t to be using them in the first place. While Herbie’s wife Loma died of a bowel obstruction that could have been corrected with a simple procedure, Herbie used medical services later on when he had issues and continued to live on the tithes of the faithful into his 90s.
Ron glossed over the contradictions between the following statement in his last blog posting and reality: “Severe storms of destruction are not just in the distance any longer, but coming down quickly upon us. These begin harshly upon the United States, first and foremost.” Ron made essentially the same statement in a sermon a week earlier prior to the latest Christchurch NZ earthquake which killed dozens of people. Yesterday he said that after the Christchurch earthquake he prayed for a disaster 10-fold worse, and even 10-fold over 10-fold worse. The Japanese earthquake/tsunami clearly meets that requirement, but it’s at the wrong location to be fulfilled prophecy. Ron did not address that discrepancy yesterday.
Ron tried to take the high road, stating that he didn’t despise people who’ve left PKG and would welcome them back with open arms (and of course their tithes, but he didn’t say that). He would even welcome back people like Kirrily who despise him. (For those who haven’t read my blog, I don’t think that “despise” adequately describes how she feels about Ron.) He went on to include his remarks as addressed those who are part of “the scattering” — those who were members of the Worldwide Church of God at the time of Tkach’s apostasy in December, 1994, and those who are members of one of the hundreds of Armstrongite splinter group. He added on the fence sitters like Mal and RJ who hang out on my blog. Also included are those who are listening in order to find fault with Ron. He then put a wrapper on it, addressing it to everyone. I wonder if that really, really includes me. What about the death curse he issued in April of 2008 and repeated in December of 2008 against anyone who mocks him? Ancient history, I guess.
He pointed out that some who refuse to follow him are alienated from family members (Jesus will send a sword to break up families). Does this portend a no-contact rule like the one Six-Pack Gerry Flurry has, to add to his no-Facebook rule? He warned those in “the scattering” about the upcoming fifth thunder that finally, finally is going to start after the upcoming fast the first weekend of April. The 5 specific people prophesied in his book to die early on as proof of Ron as a prophet of God who are all still alive despite being advanced in years, but now are really, really going to die.
Ron challenged people to listen to what he had to say and judge it without prejudice. But then he wasn’t addressing his band of Flavor-Aid drinkers at the time. I think it’s only fair that they be included in this, don’t you think? Now to the body of his prepared statement.
If I’m not a prophet, I’ll reason with you accordingly, and be open with you about it. If I am a prophet, then can you do the same? Can you truly reason accordingly? So often for those who do not believe that I’m a prophet, the question is asked “What will you do if these things do not come to pass?” And I’m going to answer that more fully in this particular sermon today.
Ron sailed through the scriptures for a few minutes, and then said that he was going to interject with what some are saying, twisting and slanderously distorting what he was saying. Some just can’t wait until May 27, 2012 when Ron will squirm and equivocate about his failed prophecies. Ron said that he would be open, candid, and truthful about what he will do on that day. But first he wanted to establish that he truly believes the bologna sandwiches he hands out.
Some can’t wait for me to say that I am not a prophet or to say that I’m a false prophet. Indeed, no one has long to wait, do they? May the 27th 2012 is not too far away. And if Europe hasn’t arisen by early 2012 and if China does not begin destroying the earth before that date, then the reality would be manifest much sooner. Obviously. You have to wait until 2012. Then the question that they ask “What would I do?”
Well, first I’d repent before God and the church. I’d acknowledge my sin and pray that God have mercy on me for being so horribly presumptuous. Candidly, I’d deeply repent of all those things that concern prophecies that I’ve given in the office of a prophet. But I’d seek to hold fast to all that I believe with all my being to be true concerning the word of God. I would begin to go back through all 57 truths. And I hope others would do exactly the same thing. IF, just to be open about it. I’d go back through all 57 truths and eliminate those that are shown to be untrue, repenting as I did so. But I would hold fast to all that I believed to be true. That would quickly take me through the first 21 truths — through the time of Mr. Herbert W Armstrong. Then after that I’d pray and seek guidance on the rest. Because I know the truth of many without those that are prophetic, given through the office of a prophet. There is that which God made clear to me at one point not to long ago and that concerned how I came to see and believe what I do, was given as an apostle. Candidly, that wouldn’t change. There are too many truths that testify to the reality……
I would be true to what I believe regardless of what anyone else did. Perhaps I would be by myself or only a few others. But I’ve been there before. But one has no integrity at all if they don’t act in an unwavering manner toward what they believe to be true. … I would strive to reason with the church to strive, not to get them to follow me … But to encourage them to go through the same process of evaluating the 57 truths honestly before God. I know how discouraged and distraught people were when the apostasy occurred, and due to that I would encourage people to examine their lives during the past several years. I would ask “Was it in vain?” … What would you do honestly between yourself and God? Go back to United? Go back to Philadelphia? What would you do? …. I’d throw myself before the mercy seat of God.
So there we have it. What Ron will do when his prophecies fail. At some point early next year, it will become increasingly clear to PKG members that Ron’s prophecies have failed. He will only be able to delay the Great Tribulation so long. The five months of the fifth trumpet will only squeeze down so far, and then things will begin to bust loose and he will start losing members at an increasing rate. Ron will cut his losses and drop his prophecies. There will be a sermon series going through the 57 “truths” to identify which are “true” and which are not. The prophetic ones will be dropped. But all the non-prophetic ones will be kept, because Ron will still be an apostle even though he’s not a prophet. People will be exhorted to keep their sense of urgency because Christ’s return is still imminent just as it was back in HWA’s day. While quite a few will leave, quite a few will still continue to follow him, paying their tithes to him and ensuring him of comfortable golden years.
Ron let’s make a few things clear: First you are a prophet. That ship has sailed, you can’t unring a bell. You’ve made prophecies as a prophet of the God of Abraham, and you can’t change history (except in the deluded minds of your followers). We’re just waiting to see how many people realize that you are a false prophet. When it comes to integrity, you’ve demonstrated that you don’t have any. You’ve broken multiple promises to acknowledge being a false prophet when certain things did not happen on schedule. It’s not what others have said about the timing of end-time events. It’s about what you said about the timing. “The proof of the validity of my first book, and now this one, is in the timing and the destruction that follows, exactly as both books describe.” (“2008 God’s Final Witness”, page 4) What you say about “Why manners of time have changed, but the prophecies haven’t changed”, your 50th “truth”, the two-day fast, and your other excuses really, really don’t matter. It’s not a matter of human nature, except that it’s your human nature Vs logic. The second, third, and fourth trumpets are not very near now, except that they will remain so in your mind for awhile.
Getting back to a challenge Ron threw out at the beginning:
But what is not asked or considered is by these people is the same question in reverse. What will you do if I am right and I am a prophet? I know what I’d do if these things do not come to pass. But do you if they do come to pass? Do you really? That’s a tough one for people.
Wrong again, Ron. I have considered it. Here’s my response. Ron, if by some incredible stretch of the imagination you really are God’s end-time prophet, then here’s what I’d do. I’d hope for a quick death in the shortened Great Tribulation, and when you do take vengeful satisfaction you’d be entitled. And I’d hope that the Great White Throne judgment as you describe it is true. I’d look forward to the long walk off the short plank into the lake of fire, hoping that your God who changes his mind didn’t change his mind about this one and there really will be eternal torment in hell. Because your God is a faulty arbitrary capricious God and I would not want to live in your fantasy universe.
Update: Thielogical Bob has summarized this post with one of his own entitled “Ron Weinland Says He’ll Admit He’s False This Time” (note that I gave Doctor Bob a link even though he didn’t give me one). In reality, Ron didn’t say that he’d admit to being false, and I didn’t say that he’d promised that. Here’s what Ron actually said during the sermon:
So yes, I would most assuredly acknowledge that I was not a prophet, IF these things do not come to pass over the next year.
Let me repeat: Ron you most assuredly ARE a prophet, a false one.