Fleeing to Javan

False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s itinerary has him in Singapore right now and in Hong Kong this coming weekend.  I wonder if he really is there.  He missed delivering the sermon on Saturday due to illness, perhaps this illness is not one of those 24-hour things.  He has still not posted the promised articles on his 4 new “truths”, and Jeremy has not cleaned up the website as he normally does after the Audio page is mangled to post the latest sermon.  Could Ron be suffering a more severe illness?  Will be interesting to see if Ron delivers a sermon from Hong Kong this weekend.

Oct. 7 UpdateRonnie’s itinerary is updated, Hong Kong this coming weekend and Cincinnati the following weekend (Oct 16) have been removed, leaving Oct 23 in Las Vegas as the next scheduled appearance.  It appears more likely that his illness last Saturday was more than just a 24-hour bug. Could it be a reprisal of his 2005 heart attack?  Maybe appendicitis? Or maybe someone wore tiger lily perfume in his presence. Perhaps we’ll learn more this weekend if one of his evangelists delivers the sermon while the Spokesman Witness recuperates in Australia.

During June, False Prophet Ronald Weinland described how he had disfellowshipped one of his members from Montana who believes himself to be one of the Two Witnesses.  I have a copy of an email from the Second Witness’s wife, reproduced below.  I’ve edited it only to remove their last name and change the first names.  This couple has a minor daughter.


From: Melissa
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010
Subject: To flee
Realizing that today is the day of Atonement and the afflication of our souls and that I should be more focused on that subject I am also asking God to give me forgiveness and council about the writing of this letter because I am focused elsewhere and am sorry for it.
It is not without rejoicing that time has come to the last Sabbath that God has allowed us to be in America for His day of rest and gaining of knowledge and wisdom. And a High Day at that. We have been so blessed to have the horses, dogs and chickens and multiple other wild animals to share our woods and streams with in the few years here. But when God tells you to flee, you flee. Not acting upon it, dragging our feet would certainly be an addition of sins. Actually, in the bible in regards to the end times, He tells us eleven times to flee Babylon (which is the USA) and go. When the abomination that makes desolate is made known, you flee. God has revealed this to a few other people and recently my husband, that Paul is that abomination.  There were other types of abominations spoken of that effected 60,000 in WWCG but Paul’s was for billions and billions of people since the catholic church put the books together of what we call the bible in 300 ad by the recommendations of a priest that was killing true followers. Left many great books out that should have been in and others in just to be a witness in the end. God’s Spirit in you makes this perfectly clear, so easy to see. No more trying to make Paul’s books fit or be twisted to fit what Jesus’s teaching were.
How can people stay to help others that will turn to His ways? As many people as this household has talked to, myself, Mitch and even Kendra, it is so clear that people reject God and His ways. Great distress will only bring a very very very few to want God more than anything Even those who keep the Sabbath and believe they are in Gods church. God does not say to stay He says to flee. God says in the last day Babylon will be completely destroyed. I believe that God’s word is true and that He means what He says. It grieves me that others are still following the teaching of a man that God was certainly working with, maybe even to give the final date of Pentecost 2012 to the two witnesses, which does still match up but like others in the past, he is sadly gone off the mark. But he can still repent and ask for God’s mercy.
This letter is not to be harsh or condemning. I know chances are great that I will not be talking with any of you soon and seeing none of you, except two of you, which is very exciting, in the land of Javan. I am so excited to find the small flock that truly wants to follow the Eternal’s commandments and to do so maybe during the Feast of Tabernacles found be even more wonderful.
Planes do not wait and so I had to write this letter with only a couple of days before we fly out to Greece. I can only surmise what will happen to those who remain the the US and Canada but thankfully we have a merciful God.
Delusion on top of delusion.  Ron has arrived, now having his own splinter (as small as it is) breaking off.  I just hope the second witness’es daughter doesn’t suffer in Greece after her parents run out of funds waiting for Christ to return. Or for Ron to admit his prophecy failed.


  • Atrocious says:

    When I read that letter, it literally made me sick to my stomach. When will it all end – all this delusion and fear, self-righteousness, etc? How so very, very sad!!!

  • Charlie says:

    Words fail me after reading that.

  • angel says:

    Woooowww… just when you think you’re heard everything…

    I guess madness begets madness. Either you snap out of it at some point and recognize it as such, or you just go deeper into it. So now Paul is the abomination? Way to discredit the NT there, Melissa, you’ve lost your mind. It’s like I said in another post; Ron (and those who share his delusions) will not stop until they’ve re-written the Bible. They have to get people to break away from those who believe the Bible so we won’t keep trying to direct them back to it.

    Atrocious, it will never end as long as human beings can make their own choices. What these people are doing is not biblical; even though they say things that sound somewhat biblical they’ve made it clear they don’t believe or trust all of it, so they’re so far out into left field they’re not even in the game. I keep saying this, if you don’t believe the Bible, GET ANOTHER BOOK! Quit trying to change this one! The sad thing is, people like this reflect badly on all religious beliefs; God and the Bible will reap blame for how these people think and act even though what they’re doing is completely unbiblical.

    I heard someone say recently that when all religion is done away with, this world will be a better place. My thought was, you’ve gotta be kidding me – you really think people won’t come up with other reasons to hate each other, war with each other, lie to each other, envy and steal from each other? Really? What Ron and people like this are doing is abusing religion; like anything else, something can be good until someone chooses to use it abusively – that’s what’s going on here. Sometimes I read the comments of people who are frustrated with religious beliefs and the people who hold them and they come off so aggressively and abusively that all I can think is, how is that any better than what they’re complaining about? I don’t want someone like that telling me what I should/shouldn’t think or believe – kiss my grits!!!

    I’m going to stand up for my right to believe what I want; not aggressively or hatefully, with demeaning words and attitude toward those I don’t agree with, but with the conviction that I won’t willingly allow anyone to stop me from believing in God and living in peace with my fellow man as much as is in my power. As hard as it is to see people like Ron and Melissa do what they’re doing, I have to keep in mind that human beings are going to make bad choices and I just have to deal with it because there are going to be people that think I’m making bad choices, too.

  • Atrocious says:

    Angel, I haven’t heard the expression “Kiss my grits!” since Alice! What you were saying in your comment was serious, but I couldn’t help laughing, though, when I read that. LOL.

  • Atrocious says:

    Ok, what I don’t understand is, why are they going to Greece? What’s in Greece? Or did I miss something here. Oh my, after reading Malissa’s letter again, wow. Wooey, and I thought Ron was bad!

  • angel says:


    Can you tell I’ve spent some time in the South?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Atrocious, you’re expecting rationality from someone who thinks that Ron is one of the Two Witnesses, and that he’s the other one? 😀

  • J says:

    So in order to avoid the collapse of the United States, “Melissa” instead goes to Greece….the heart of the EU’s brewing financial collapse. Smart move.

  • jack635 says:

    These are the kind of people that follow Ron. I no longer wonder why Ron has a following. Birds of a feather flock together.

  • Whisper says:

    This is the madness that lies in the shadows of our society. It is sadly a part of human nature to, to be paranoid. Like almost all other aspects of human nature, when you take a part of it to the extreme you hurt yourself, your family and anyone to close. Upon reading the letter, twice, my only response is “wow”.

    Off to Greece, the EU epicenter of financial woe. Would this not be taking the new 2nd witness and family closer to the great evil that will arise out of Europe? Wouldn’t it, paradoxically, be safer here in the good old USA even though mass destruction is going to begin just any day now? Hasn’t the 2nd Witness listened to the spokesman witness about the coming darkness? Inter office witness communication can become such a tangled skein can it not?
    Will the real Witness please stand up, please stand up…

    Go figure?

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I’ve added an update to the main article, beginning to look more like something could be going on with Ron’s health.

    “Will the real Witness please stand up, please stand up…”

    There are probably hundreds of the Two Witnesses at any given time. For example, Dennis Diehl says that he has met 23 of them.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Wouldn’t it be funny if the next announcement is that Ronnie has carked it.

    I for one, would celebrate.

    I don’t wish him harm, but if it came upon him, well *giggles guiltily*

  • angel says:


    You’re bad (but funny!). I wouldn’t be happy the man was dead, but I would be very happy he’s no longer spreading lies. Now Mal, don’t get after us for being honest, we’ve all gotta go sometime but for a false prophet sooner might be better than later; he’s got plenty to be accountable for already. God knows the number of his days and I’m content to let him live them out; I think God understands us hating to see someone hurting so many people with his lies.

    In reality it would be the pot calling the kettle black if Ron-followers get upset about what we’re saying when their ringmaster has already committed murder in his heart.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    According to Ron, he’s going to be dead in 594 days anyway — killed by the beast power in the streets of Jerusalem on May 23, 2012. That promises to be a horrible death. A death under medical supervision might be less painful.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Gold Coast in Oz – known as ‘Sin City’ over here. Isn’t Vegas known as ‘Sin City’ over there?

    Interesting which cities Ronnie is attracted to.

    Does Vegas have Meter Maids too?

    The Gold Coast (although very sinful, lol) is beautiful – I love living here. I hear that Vegas is great too.

    Why does Ronnie choose to go to all these great places that most only dream of going! Could it be, no….. in it for…. the money? *gasp*

    I believe that Ronnie and his wench fully believed that they were indeed the witnesses – at the start. Now I believe that they know without question, that they are not. I believe that they are now figuring out what to do.

    Like Herbie before him though, he probably won’t feel bad about it.

  • Baywolfe says:

    There are probably hundreds of the Two Witnesses at any given time. For example, Dennis Diehl says that he has met 23 of them.

    And, every one was genuine, I’m sure.

  • Charlie says:

    Kirrily, Vegas is known as Sin City here. It is also called “Disneyland for adults”. I’ve been to Vegas twice on business and really don’t see what the big deal is. Most of the shows are from acts well past their prime, I don’t gamble, and there isn’t much else for a happily married man to do there except drive 2 hours to the Hoover Dam or do some hiking out in the Mountains.

    People watching can be fun though.

    I can only speculate on why Ron would be drawn to a place like that…

  • xHWA says:

    Weinland prophesied a global 30-year hurricane activity low, and historic Pacific typhoon activity low, right? Historic lack of destruction is one of the thunders, isn’t it?
    2010 Global Tropical Cyclone Activity Update

    (It’s a spiritual thing.)

  • Rambo says:

    It could all still prophetically happen right?

    If a nuke detonates in a US port city, then somethings happens to poison the water…radiation maybe? and then nuclear winter blocks out the sun…then ten nations in the EU come together to send an army into US to help us out and do other stuff…China and Russia come together to make their hoard…the pope identifies Ron as the anti-Christ…the people kill him in the streets…then the EU beast and the China Russia hoard duke it out in the valley of Magiddo…their fighting almost destroys the Earth and then on May 27 2012 Jesus and the 144,000 are resurrected and come down from the clouds to end the fighting and to usher in 1000 years of peace…

    This is what people in PKG expect to happen between now and May 27 2012

  • Baywolfe says:

    I dunno Rambo. You wonder if Ron’s people even know WHAT they believe anymore.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    While some of this stuff could happen, it can’t _prophetically_ happen. For it to prophetically happen, it has to be prophesied, and Ronnie has discredited himself as a prophet. It didn’t happen _when_ he said it would happen, so Ron is out of the running.

    And one thing would never happen, the pope declaring Ron to be the anti-Christ. The pope has no idea who Ron is and never will.

  • angel says:

    I agree, being a good (?) guesser does not make one a prophet.

    What blows my mind is the idea that if one or more of the things he predicted happen some people would be quick to jump back on his bandwagon; what about all the lies he’s told? What about the fact that a prophecy that is not fulfilled exactly as he said was not accurately made? Why do these people have such low standards when it comes to Ron, but flip out over things like holidays? Ridiculous!

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron isn’t even a good guesser.

    But let’s say that terrorists set off a small nuke in Long Beach harbor tomorrow. There probably would be a few thousand who would try to rejoin PKG. And Ron would accept them, as long as they paid their tithes.

  • Atrocious says:

    If someone, such as Mal, wants to keep the OT laws, holy days, and whatnot, why does he have to follow a man to do it? So he thinks Ron is correct in his “teachings” so he follows him, yet he’s wrong, wrong, wrong when it comes to the books he’s written and the prophesies he’s made. You ask a valid question, Angel, when you asked, “Why do these people have such low standards when it comes to Ron, but flip out over things like holidays?” People who claim to be what Ron has claimed to be should be held to much higher standards than the norm, yet in this case it’s just the opposite. And Mike, when you said, “But let’s say that terrorists set off a small nuke in Long Beach harbor tomorrow. There probably would be a few thousand who would try to rejoin PKG. And Ron would accept them, as long as they paid their tithes.”, they would probably do that out of fear that if they didn’t, they would lose their salvation because they didn’t follow Ron, a mere man. I just shake my head.

  • Karen Mustard says:

    Wow! After reading the post and all these comments….. All I can say is Wow! I’m thankful to be free of WCG, HWA and all of those groups… I’d advise the lady from Montana to just go out to the woods by the creek and talk to God and stop listening to any religious people…. Christ left us the Holy Spirit and he is sufficient for us all. No need for anyone else.

  • Rev. Wayne says:

    Ah, an eye opener there. NOW I begin to understand how he maintains a following. These people are living under some serious delusions. It makes sense that his congregation is loonier than he is. How else could he keep them? And whatever bogus explanation he comes up with on May 27th, they’ll just eat it up like candy.

    I get queasy sometimes, listening to him butcher the Bible. He rants about people putting meaning into the Scriptures, well, he should know, he’s an expert on doing just that.

    Where he finds all the allusions to Europe “doing what it does”, meaning attacking the US, presumably with nuclear weapons, I really don’t know. I’ve yet to find that in Scripture. And his obsession with nuclear weapons, is nuts. Does he, or anyone else, really believe that God needs Man’s assistance in destroying by fire? Rather arrogant, if you ask me. God can manage just fine, without using our nuclear arsenals. There were none in the days of Sodom, yet He managed to obliterate them in fire and brimstone. Without OUR help.

    He hints at China doing the same thing. Always “hints” of course.

    There is a sequence to all these things that are to come. Ron, seems to be unaware of, or uncaring about the prophecies given by God to John. So many things not remotely fulfilled, but we’re in the final months of the 2nd half of the 70th week of Daniel? Ummm…..no.

    There will be another Jewish Temple, which will be desecrated by the Anti-Christ, the final one world leader. None of this is remotely close to being achieved. And no, the Church does not replace Israel. Israel has a separate destiny. And it’s mutually exclusive with that of the Church. God is far from done with Israel. But Ron insists that the Church has replaced it. Wrong.

    Tkatch, was NOT the Anti-Christ. He was a man. Who made some changes in the Church, after Armstrong died. Ron, didn’t like it. Nor did many others apparently. The Man of Sin, will be a final Global dictator. He will enforce the Covenant that God has with Abraham. That, is when the final 7 year period begins. And it’s only in the middle, that he reveals himself, proclaims himself to be God, and sits in the Temple, which IS the Abomination of Desolation.

    I simply don’t recognize the Bible Ron reads from……

    Ron, I’ll pray for God to awaken you from your dream world. That you’ll see what you are doing, and repent. And return to preaching the true Gospel. For you, your wife, and your PKG-COG group. There is still time. Don’t waste it.