Ron Can’t Wait

False Prophet Ronald Weinland battled the Internet yesterday while in Minneapolis, with the streaming audio feed disconnecting numerous times.  Evangelist Terry Wrozek and Senior Elder Ann Wrozek were also in attendance.  This afternoon he travels to Wisconsin to meet with the deluded faithful in that state. Laura is looking forward to baptizing a new acolyte while there.  Wonder if that could be one of the fence sitters on this blog.

Last week ended his “More Time” sermon series, and this weekend he resumed the interrupted sermon series on a subject near and dear to his heart: tithing.  When I was required to warm the hard metal folding chairs as a child growing up in a household led by a parent drinking Herbert Armstrong’s Flavor Aid, there were three tithes that had to be paid.  The first tithe was 10% of gross pay (before taxes) to be sent to Herbie to spend as he saw fit.  During the 1979 receivership crisis, checks were made payable to Herbert Armstrong a corporation sole rather than his church.  A second 10% of gross pay was to be saved to attend the church’s holy days, but 10% of that (a “Tithe of the Tithe or 1% of gross income) was to be sent to the church to finance the feast sites, as not much of the first tithe was left over after Herbie put aviation fuel in his Gulfstream jet and paid for silver ice buckets.  The feast of tabernacles was the WCG equivalent of Christmas for kids — for other kids, anyway.  My parent scrimped so that he could turn over yet more excess second tithe to Herbie.  On top of that, on two years out of seven a third tithe was to be paid.  The third tithe supposedly was to be used to support widows and other needy people, but rumor has it that it was used for other purposes, like sending the ministry to the feast as they were not required to save second tithe.

Ron read from his FAQ section, and a number of changes have been made, reducing the requirements:

  • First tithe has been changed so that it’s computed on the net after taxes.  Additionally Ron has stated that tithing is not required on commuting expenses.  (Which Ron doesn’t have since he works at home).
  • No tithe of the tithe is taken from second tithe.
  • Third tithe is not required, as this is covered by social programs from the taxes you pay.

Additionally, students and retirees are not required to pay taxes on their income.

Ron is having trouble restraining himself from revealing the “new truths” he has lined up to reveal during the Feast of Tabernacles this year.  But he is restraining himself from sending second tithe assistance to those who have not saved second tithe as they are instructed on the FAQ pages on the website.  Ignorance is no excuse, and they are to repent for disobeying God’s laws.  Nevermind that any teaching of doctrines during sermons is largely incidental so that Ron can blather about his prophecies and other topics. Of which “other topics” have mostly used up his sermons since he spends less time talking about prophecies.  Even when he mentioned this fall’s feast during yesterday’s sermon, he did not throw out the usual disclaimer that feast attendance might not be possible, even though we’ll be after the midpoint of the Great Tribulation by then.

On another topic, this website has experienced problems over the past few weeks.  I’ve received an email from my hosting company acknowledging the problem and stating it was a hardware problem being resolved.  In compensation they’ve awarded a free month of web hosting.  My web hosting is paid up through May 30, 2012.  What’s the value of an additional month of web hosting given that the earth will be in ruins by May 27, 2012?

69 Comments

  • randy t says:

    thats all this guy and his wife want is people to pay for there rich life stile if they are prohets they should be prophetsizing this is a shame people do this what wrong they can;t get it right open your mines i’m not very smart but i can see it

  • Matt says:

    What I find amazing is the complete lack of restlessness among the flock. You would expect at least a murmur by now wouldn’t you? Does anyone have any idea what the mood is among the followers? These people have the most amazing tolerance for anticlimaxes that I have ever seen…

  • Atrocious says:

    Ron’s followers aren’t allowed to show emotion (other than adoration for Ron-god) or ask questions. They are a bunch of zombies sitting there listening to his every word, knowing that they don’t DARE ask any questions or become restless because they will be thrown out on their tush with the admonition that they will be thrown into the lake of fire for questioning their god. It’s not tolerance they show, Matt. It’s fear.

  • Whisper says:

    Self made fear at that. Created in thier own minds that thier God, the One spoken over and over an d overa again in the New Testimate is one of Love. Love is the highwater mark of God, the Icon of a Icon-less God. Love thy God and love they fellow man. Love! But the New Testimate God written of is not the God Ron chose, he chose the God of the Old Testimate where the watch word is Fear. Fear thy God. Follow unquestionably thy God. This God Ron likes much more as it creates a class of followers that one does not have to Love.
    Ron is only one side of the coin, he acts the self appointed headman of God. But to gain a following for that headman people have to have a inate desire to be in fear and see it as correct and right. There are millions upon millions of these in the wordd and Ron is only able to plug into hundreds because he is such a poor speaker with little charisma. These people are to be pitied as they choose tdhe “fear” over the “love”. On that note old Ron is to be “pitied” as he chooses “fear” over “love”. The whole lot is rather whack!
    To those like I, we can not understand this want of “fear” over “love”? So fearful that to use ones heard earned money to support Herbie’s fear instead of investing in Christma of ones own children is all but sadistic. But they do want it, they may be trapped, but they did put themeselves in the trap. Pity.

    Go figure?

  • JB says:

    Whisper you captured my thoughts. I can not comprehend why people would follow fear and not plug into Gods love. To say that people in his flock are ignorant for not putting money aside for the Feast and they need to repent for going against Gods law is unbelievable. Gods commandment to love one another is free, God already paid for it. There is no demand to pay a con artist in order to recieve it. From the PKG website, read my books, believe everything I say, give me money and then I will will invite you to join me!!!! Absent from the website is, I will continue to abuse you, misinturpt the scriptures, play mind games, and demand that you continue to support my lifestyle. Ron is bad, the flock is sad.

  • Baywolfe says:

    God’s love, whatever that is, doesn’t enter into this. HWA used to speak sneeringly about “love christians”. The legacy of the WCG is an empire based on fear of/from authority.

    This type of christianity is the flame for all self-loathing moths out there. After all, isn’t this whole mind trip about how worthless and lowly we are, and how great and powerful god is and, by inference, all of his ministers are?

    All of Ron’s flock needs to start chanting the “Littainy Against Fear” from Frank Herbert’s Dune.

    I must not fear.
    Fear is the mind-killer.
    Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
    I will face my fear.
    I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
    And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
    Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
    Only I will remain.

  • Atrocious says:

    When fear is the motivation for doing ANYTHING, it is the wrong motivation.

    Being under someone’s power because of fear is the wrong reason. People staying in any church/religion/organization/marriage because of fear is tragic. Fear should never be a factor in someone’s decisions, but unfortunately, too often it is.

    I stayed in WCG for so long because I was afraid not to. Because I was afraid of the “evilness” outside in “the world”. Because of the threats of being “thrown into the lake of fire” if I left.

    Fear is no longer a part of my life. And if there IS an aspect of fear, I recognize it, analyze it and deal with it. Then I get rid of it. I don’t need the “fear factor” to live. Life without fear is glorious.

  • Matt says:

    I am with you Atrocious. And life without fear is also noble.

    Because even if Ron were right, and we are all the playthings of a petty tyrant who creates billions of lives in a complex maze loaded with traps and pitfalls just so a measly few thousand can be his chosen few, a tyrant so cruel that he would burn someone for eternity just for using the brains he gave them, then I hope I would have the courage to defy him nonetheless. An eternity of sycophantic worship of my vain and petty master does not seem terribly attractive. Especially since if Ron is right, you would basically be worshiping a galactic-sized version of Ron. I hope I would chose the lake of fire in stead.

  • Whisper says:

    “Especially since if Ron is right, you would basically be worshiping a galactic-sized version of Ron. I hope I would chose the lake of fire in stead.”

    Wow, I never thought of it that way exactly, but my man you have a very good point. Ron would not pray and bow down to anyone not like himself, Ron’s God is a huge Ron ultra-powerful RON. Ron’s God would be simply a horror story on wheels, like Ron.

    But we can relax a little in the faith that God is the very antithesis of Ron. God, if the Bible is to be believed, is Love and that is the one word that can sum God up greater than any other word and Ron has no love. Ergo Ron and God are polarized from one another.

  • Atrocious, Matt and Whisper, I couldnt agree more. That is probably exactly how Ron sees God. Unfortunately, Whisper, the bible seems to contradict it’s view of God. The Old-testament and the New-testament give two very different perspectives of God. Ron is decidedly hoping for the Old testament version. Like atrocious says, he stayed in WCG because he was afraid not to. His is not a unique case by any stretch. When fear is your motivating factor it’s time to take a hard look at why you’re really there. Something followers of Ron seem unwilling to do.

    Onward.

  • Mark says:

    What exactly is the money going towards that people give Ron? Is he “witnessing” any more? Seemed like he said that the witness was over as of 2008. Seems like he’s just trying to keep money coming in for a short time longer.

    Ron and Laura are very close to fully funding their retirement nest eggs with various offshore accounts. They certainly don’t want to squander it on Google or in more printing costs.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron has cut way back on Google ads, but there’s still some going on. Try Googling “2012”.

    I am puzzled as to why Ron has continued Google ads as long has he has. After admitting the failure of his first timeline, he cut way back but then ramped it up again. You’d think he would have grabbed the money and split about then, with the IRS breathing down his neck. That’s why I hold the possibility that Ron is drinking his own Flavor Aid.

  • Atrocious says:

    Matt, Whisper, Splintersurfer, that’s why I call Ron, Ron-god. Because he thinks of himself as a god to his followers. What he says, goes – whether it’s right or wrong, whether it agrees with the bible or not. He (in his own mind) is the ultimate authority alongside his god (I didn’t say “under” his god because I really do think he has put himself equal with him). He can prophecy falsely, but that doesn’t matter in his mind because he’s delusional.

    I really do think Ron is getting deeper and deeper in his Flavor Aid world where there will be nowhere to go but “out”. And if his followers really do believe in him (Ron-god), they will go “out” with him. I hope the IRS can stop him before that and put him behind bars where he belongs.

  • Mal says:

    Regardless of whether Ron Weinland is false or not, I suggest this blog at least sticks to facts. Otherwise you’ll be shot down in flames by Weinland followers.

    Last week it was that ‘Ron does not care about God and does not care about the Bible’, which is clearly false if you listen to any one of his sermons. This week it’s ‘Ron’s God is a tyrant so cruel, He would choose a measly few thousand and burn the rest for eternity’.

    Let’s at least get the facts straight about what Ron Weinland preaches, which is the following:

    The horrific events at the end of this age are brought on by the sin of mankind not God. It is a loving, merciful God who intervenes to prevent sinful man completely destroying himself (Mark 13:19,20).

    Millions will die in this horrific period (Rev 9), which mankind brings on himself. This is not eternal death, but simply means we would miss out on participating in the events of the ‘Millennium’.

    The merciful intervention of God brings about the return of Christ and the first resurrection (the 144,000 ‘firstfruits’). Christ and the 144,000 will then reign over the earth, and over those that make it through the tribulation into the Millennium. During this 1000 year period, when the earth is governed in God’s way, a gradual restoration occurs until nature and the earth is returned to the state God originally intended it.

    At the end of the 1000 year period, a second resurrection occurs (Rev 20:5,6), when the remainder of mankind is resurrected to life on the restored earth. God will then give another opportunity to live by God’s righteous ways and attain everlasting life, or choose Satan’s ways and die.

    Ron does not teach eternal torment in a lake of fire. But that if, after all the opportunities God gives us, we still choose Satan’s ways over His ways, we face eternal death.

    Even if Ron is false, does this sound like the God that Ron preaches is a tyrant ?

    As a comparison, most of ‘traditional Christianity’ teaches that all mankind has just the one chance to accept Christ before the end of this life. If we don’t, God will send us to a place of eternal torment.

  • Whisper says:

    Mal
    It’s not what God will do after all is said and done on this planet, be it by armaggedon or tribulation or whatever, it is what is Ron doing now on this earth? He’s taking money in and spreading fear. He’s not using the money he get’s to heal others, help others, feed others, cloths others, teach others, etc… He is using this money to buy himself a easy life and put fear in the hearts and minds of those that dain to listen to him. Ron, as a minister has a flock and it is that flock that he, Ron, should serve in the name of God. Ron does not serve anyone but Ron. Everyone that will associate with Ron needs to serve Ron as Gods spokesman.
    Do you see the titanic error here? Ron needs to serve, not be served. Ron needs to feed and heal and cloths those in need. Ron is being fed and clothsed and car’d and airplain’d and his taxes are being paid and he has medical insurance and he has gold rings… (the list goes on and on). Ron should be feeding others and not being fed. Ron should heal others not be healed. Ron is fearmonger and money taker. Ron should be a love giver and money giver. Does this make any sense?

  • jack635 says:

    Oh Mal. I’ll just cut and paste. It’s so much easier this way.

    God’s Final Witness’ very pages are contradicted by the words that came out of Jesus Christ’s mouth, as recorded by his real Apostles.

    If Jesus cannot tell a lie because he is of the truth, why does Ronald Weinland tell his followers that Jesus lied when he said “before Abraham was, I am”?

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    No lie is of the truth. Rons a liar. Proved, fact.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Mal said:”Millions will die in this horrific period (Rev 9), which mankind brings on himself.”

    I’ve read the book of Revelation, and it’s clear that God and his angels bring destruction on the earth. Even when man involved, it’s due to the leadership of angels.

    As for the rest of it, man makes God in his own image, and Ron has worked overtime with his creation, using it to his own advantage at the disadvantage of others. I hope that he soon realizes the consequences of all that. Ron’s god is a tyrant. Any god that would send Ron as his messenger is intending that no sane person listen to him, giving him all excuses to wreak destruction. A true end time witness would have had an effective death curse and I would be in my grave for 18 months now instead of diverting people from heeding his message.

  • angel says:

    Hi everyone,

    I’ve been out of the loop for awhile but still check in to see what’s going on.

    Mal – I don’t think Weinland’s followers are in a position to shoot anyone down in flames – have any of them been brave enough lately to stick their heads up out of whatever hole they’ve been hiding in? Most of them jump up and barely get in a few pot shots before diving back into the shadows. You know they’re not allowed to come here and comment; those who do aren’t being obedient to Ron – which I personally think is good – now if they could only get up the nerve to disregard him completely by WALKING AWAY…..

  • Atrocious says:

    Mal, setting aside the doctrinal issues, why do you want to listen to a known and proven liar? Why do you want to follow a man who has proven to be a false prophet, a liar, and insane (by his own words)? Why do you only comment on the doctrinal issues (which, admittedly, none of us seem to be concerned about) and not on the moral issues? Why do you put blinders on? Why do you defend Ron? What is in it for you? Are you afraid? Do you fear NOT listening to him? I just don’t get it, Mal.

  • GD says:

    Dear Mike
    When I google Ronald weinland -your 2 webpages come up first – well done -keep up the good work –
    I would not even click once onto the insane liars website !!

  • Steve says:

    It is clearly useless talkin to mal people..he does nto address hardly anythin anyone says and thus in most cases just ignores the things that require thinking and then 15 posts later or so, he continues to preach (like ron…hmmm i wonder) the same ol, same ol…it is pointless engaging someone like that in a convorsation.

    Welcome back Angelica (Angel) heh 🙂

  • Matt says:

    Ahh I see! I did not realize there were 2 resurrections. So we all get another shot after the cleanup is done? Fair enough! Wake me up when ron’s god is clearly demonstrable, and I will believe with all my heart. You cannot say fairer than that.

    The problem is that there is still the issue of the ever-imminent apocalypse. This means that a church-member who criticizes Ron runs the risk of losing their status as being automatically saved from the disasters and becoming gods janitors for a thousand years. This is the fear-factor – and it is not an abstract, pascal’s wager type of thing – it is the threat of a real and painful death in the next couple of years. All this through what is supposed to be god’s prophet. This is coercion, unless you simply see all earthly suffering as essentially unimportant. If you do, ask someone to give you a good kick in the privates and see if you still feel that way.

    You can say that it is man doing it to you, and not god, but then you would have to agree that god is either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent.

    Also, Ron’s god is still essentially a tyrant. It is gods way or death, no matter how many chances you get. At no point does god feel any need to demonstrate that his rules are right. If you feel it is right for you to be enslaved and imagine your master to be a kind one, you are still a slave. You have no choice in the matter, as the cost of disobedience is huge. I am glad it is wrapped in a nicer package, but the item inside is still servitude.

    I realize I am teetering on the brink of theology here, which is as bad as talking shop at table. But the essential point remain: It is rons way or the highway and you will pay the consequences in blood and suffering. It is the same for rons god. Both of them are tyrannical and vain.

  • Steve says:

    Matt you wrote: “This means that a church-member who criticizes Ron runs the risk of losing their status as being automatically saved from the disasters and becoming gods janitors for a thousand years”

    Matt none of rons followers are guaranteed to be protected…infact as i have said 2 or 3 times on here before, Ron told me personally face to face that most if not all of his followers (which was me at the time) will probably face a horrible death just like all the non believers and while he said this he “sniggered”. He does or has given the strong impression (though i’ve never heard him outright say it) that his followers will be protected for following him….this is certain, as i also was confused when Ron said the above to me in 2008 as like i say, he gave me and others the impression of otherwise….either way when i asked, he cleared it all up lol as noted above.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Ron has a two-class church.
    (1) Those who were baptized members of WCG on Dec 17, 1994 and members of Ron’s church on the day of the sealing, Feb 2, 2008. Oops, that got changed to Sept 30, 2008.
    (2) Everyone else who is baptized.
    During sermons, he says that class 1 are part of the 144,000 to be changed to spirit being on Christ’s return, and class 2 will live on into the “new age”. Now we find that he has a different story for class 2 during a private moment, most will die horribly during the resurrection. Probably he and Laura snigger about how 143,998 from history were already eligible leaving only himself and Laura presently alive who will join their elder brother Jesus to rule the earth for 1100 years.

  • Atrocious says:

    Say, Mike. I never thought of it that way. There have been billions of people who have lived and died during the 2000+ years since Christ and there were many people who followed the bible as they understood and who died knowing they would be “with the Lord”. Do you mean to tell me that NONE of those billions of people have been saved and ONLY those who follow ron-god qualify to be one of the 144,000? Wow! See? I told you – he puts himself right up there WITH his god, not under him.

    I just shake my head.

  • “Ahh I see! I did not realize there were 2 resurrections. So we all get another shot after the cleanup is done? Fair enough! Wake me up when ron’s god is clearly demonstrable, and I will believe with all my heart. You cannot say fairer than that.”

    (splintersurfer) AMEN Brother! I’ll still have a few questions for him at that point. I promise, I’ll be respectful lol

    “This means that a church-member who criticizes Ron runs the risk of losing their status as being automatically saved from the disasters and becoming gods janitors for a thousand years. This is the fear-factor – and it is not an abstractZ”

    (splintersurfer) What? Do you mean to say that you have some kind of problem with the idea of cleaning up the masses of corpses left to rot after the “great tribulation”? You sir, just have a really bad attitude. 😉

    Onward…

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Atrocius, as has been pointed out, the 144,000 are the 1st resurrection and there are two more resurrections that follow. I’m with Matt on skipping the horrors that come with living through the Great Tribulation and taking my chances with the 2nd resurrection.

    But Ron will probably tell us to forget about the 2nd resurrection, we’ve already committed the unpardonable sin by mocking him. So we get the 3rd resurrection and the lake of fire. To which my response is that if God sends a messenger who clearly meets his definition of false prophet and then wants to kill me because I don’t want to recognize Ron as a true prophet, then I would not want to spent an eternity with Ron and his God. So indeed, cast me in the lake of fire.

  • Also very well said Mike and applicable to Herbert Armstrong and his teachings as well.

  • JB says:

    Any speculation on what these new false trueths are? I imagine Ron is excited because he finally thought of something new to mislead his little flock.

  • Atrocious says:

    “But Ron will probably tell us to forget about the 2nd resurrection, we’ve already committed the unpardonable sin by mocking him. So we get the 3rd resurrection and the lake of fire. To which my response is that if God sends a messenger who clearly meets his definition of false prophet and then wants to kill me because I don’t want to recognize Ron as a true prophet, then I would not want to spent an eternity with Ron and his God. So indeed, cast me in the lake of fire.”

    Mike, that’s why I have no fear about the lake of fire.

    Yeah, after I wrote that comment, I remembered about the three resurrections – I mean, that’s what I was taught all those years in WCG. It’s been awhile, and I think it’s a good sign that I forgot. LOL Ah’m Bein DEprogrammed.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Any speculation on what these new false trueths are?”

    While I nailed “truth” #50 a couple of years ago before he announced it, I didn’t have so much luck with “truths” 51 through 53, nor his timeline modification during the LGD sermon. Maybe my prophetic skills are numbed by listening to this false prophet so much 😀

    But I intend to try some guessing when we get closer to the “feast”.

  • Matt says:

    3 resurrections now? Man I need to brush up a bit. I am clearly way out of touch. And can someone please let me know what the story is on the lake of fire? Will there be one or not? Mal seems to think there won’t be one. It does seem like a waste of time to let me live a whole lifetime, let me die, then resurrect me another time just to throw me in the deep fat fryer again if it kills me again anyway.

    Splintersurfer – I also have a few questions left at that stage. The biggest one is: why give me a working brain if it obviously only makes it much harder to believe the quite unbelievable things that I am required to accept in order to be acceptable to god?

    The problem I have with the Ron-type god is that just asking these questions is deemed prideful, and therefor automatically a sin. Rons god seems to not like critical thinking, and encourage blind obedience in stead. Steve’e example is a case in point – the flock doesn’t need to dwell on things that make obedience to Rons god more difficult. In stead let them feel they are safe in the church, and fear leaving it.

  • Mark says:

    I wonder if his flock continue to stockpile food or if they’ve started to eat it. That’s the true test of whether they believe anymore.

  • Baywolfe says:

    Matt, I can only give you the old WCG Dogma, as I have never been a member of any of the X-COG groups. Apologies if this is not completely correct as it’s been a long time since I’ve even thought about this crap.

    1st Resurrection – The “Saints”, the “144,000”, “God’s Elect”, etc. at the return of Jesus Christ to Earth. Either raised from the dead or transformed if alive.

    2nd Resurrection – After the 1,000 year rule of Jesus and his “God Family”, after they have got planet earth back into the Garden of Eden like state it was before the fall of man, two things happen. One, Satan is loosed “for a little while” and everybody who ever lived before Jesus was born, along with all those that did not accept and later reject God’s Government (Can you say Disfellowship (not a word, by the way)?) will be brought back to life and have a chance to accept God (or at least his government) while still battling the influence of The Morning Star for about 100 years.

    3rd Resurrection – Everybody that rejects God’s Government get an Encore return to earth/existence to be permanently burned up in the Lake O’ Fire. To never, ever, exist again.

    You know, now that I actually type this, it seems crazier than what the Scientology people believe.

  • Steve says:

    Mark, i don’t know what Rons current stance is (as his mind changes so much), but 2 years ago i asked him about this and he told me to store only about 2-3 days and 2-3 weeks at the most and then he says “because thats what FEMA recommends anyway” (paraphrasing). Due to “atleast” 1 meeting ron has had with FEMA (the disaster planning agency in the US) that was what he was told…which makes you wonder…why would he be having meetings with them and secondly, is this where he is (or was) getting some of his info from on possible future disasters lol?

  • Steve says:

    Forgot to add….and so there would not be that much food to eat up anyway if his followers obediently took his advice and did not store more than 2-3 days or 2-3 weeks…after all to do more would likely be a sin to Ron…i had 7 days worth…i thought that should do me until the government supply me with rations etc.

  • I dont think FEMA would meet with the likes of Ronny Whineman and I find it even more far-fetched to subscribe to any conspiracy theory that says FEMA knows about disasters before they happen. That kind of lunacy is typically brought to you by the same crowd that thinks UFO’s abducted them or that 911 was an inside job, AKA complete crackpots.

    Onward.

  • Steve says:

    Splintersurfer…when did i mention any kind of conspiracy?….i “know” Ron has had atleast 1 meeting with FEMA…when i said about him knowing possibly about disasters due to these metting/s…i was talking about FEMA research (scientific) about “possibilities”…and him putting his spin on it…such as FEMA shows scientific data for an El nino for example…Ron could have taken this and said “we are gonna start to sea the coeans warm up and see more hurricanes” next year etc…that kind of thinkin….don’t put ords in my mouth…ask me if you are not sure, don’t make assumptions

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Steve, when did Ron claim to have met with FEMA? The advice you relate is pretty standard FEMA advice which addresses local or regional disasters, for which the victims need to be able to take care of themselves for a short period of time while unaffected areas organize a response to help out. But during the Great Tribulation, all areas are going to be suffering, so where’s the help going to come from?

    I agree that you didn’t mention a FEMA conspiracy. Perhaps surfer was referring to other common conspiracy theories which hold that FEMA will take over the government and throw us all in prison camps to await UN troops who are guided to their destination by mile markers along the US interstate highway system. Ron doesn’t usually buy into conspiracy theories and other off-the-wall theories except when they suit his own goofy ideas, like the one on the exploding oil well.

  • Steve says:

    Mike, i don’t know “when” it was but Ron did tell me he did in the same convorsation about the food but i didn’t bother askin him when he met with them or why etc as i didn’t really see a big deal in it at the time. This was in 2008 so i guess his meeting could have been in 2008 or late 2007…it most likely would have been not too far off the timing of our convorsation.
    Yes you are right mike the info is pretty standard advice i agree…i guess it is possible ron made it up to perhaps feel important lol…but i sincerely believe he was tellin me the truth.
    Remember i am talkin about the first timeline…obviously nothin has happened so whatever info ron was told was either wrong or just talkin about “possibilities” and not talkin about a “definate” disaster on the horizon…whatever the explanation, Ron probably took some of the info he got from such a meeting and jumped on it to use for his own advantage hopin it would come true to make him look like a prophet etc etc…again i don’t know what was discussed at it. Its kinda like the swine flu problem we thought we were gonna get as the WHO told us to expect many more deaths…fema most likely had a meeting about that and well it didn’t pan out like they were told to expect it to….a meeting don’t mean they have any “100% guaranteed somethin is gonna happen info”…it is just possibly a precaution….i have no idea why they would want ron of all people to attend though…i am just tellin ya what he told me and i do believe he did indeed have a meeting.

    At the time mike, ron told me that i don’t need to worry about food too much because it would not be long before the germans (lol) would be relocating us and they would take care of all of it, so we only need to last a little while.

    Regarding the conspiracy you mention Mike…i have heard about it yeah but personally though i don’t believe that all those things are really being planned….not in the sinister sense anyway hehe

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I don’t believe all the conspiracy theories either. But if I were going to run a conspiracy to take over the world, I’d find a conspiracy nut and lay out my plans, after which no one would believe what was happening. (Boy who cried “wolf”, etc).

  • Whisper says:

    “like the one on the exploding oil well.”

    What ever did become of that “End of the Gulf” theory of mass destrcution anyway?
    Oh, the well was capped in direct contradiction of the theory that it could not be.

    Upon first refelction I thought it would be a larger deal than it turned out to be, I mean Ron has so many failed prophecies and theories that one more does not even merely shake the scales anymore.
    After failing to destroy the world, only failing to destroy the Gulf of Mexico seems small? Ya know?

    Go figure?

  • My apologies Steve if I misunderstood what you said. You wrote: “which makes you wonder…why would he be having meetings with them and secondly, is this where he is (or was) getting some of his info from on possible future disasters lol?”

    I read that and thought you were implying that Ron got some “insider information” from FEMA on “possuble future disasters” meaning that they knew what they would be, thus feeding into the FEMA is evil conspiracy.

    If this not what you meant, then again I apologize for misreading 🙂

    Onward…

  • Steve says:

    Thanks Splinter, no problem, i appreciate your apology 😉

  • Anytime sir 🙂

  • jack635 says:

    There has just been an event up here in Canada in which a preacher is wanted for fraud. Specifically for fleecing his flock in some kind of investing of money scam. I’ m sorry but my opinion of “preachers” is very committedly leaning towards all preachers are for profit con artists. They are not preaching the gospel of forgivness of sins, but instead are totally commited to money. Money is required to do this, that, or the other thing. Money, money, money.

    They hold up the bible in front of the congregation and solicit financial help to do [insert reason here]. I thought they were supposed to tell everyone that their sins are forgiven and they should focus on having a happy healthy life, and being a good and kind person to others.

    How does giving money to a guy at the front of the church benefit the giver? Or anyone else for that matter?

  • Oh, thats easy! The giver gets a warm fuzzy feeling, because as you know, “God loves a cheerful giver”. Most members care little for where their money goes or how it is spent. Anytime I would complain about the spending practices of the last splinter I was in (because I never grew big enough a pair to actually start complaining until the last group) my parents would often say things like “God looks on the heart” or “its only your responsibility to tithe, ____ minister is accountable for how it’s spent” This is the mindset many a member will adopt, and so long as they get their warm and fuzzy, they’re ok with the giving.

    And the preacher is DEFINITELY fine with the giving lol

    Onward…

  • Matt says:

    Ok – so I get resurrected, have a look around gods garden of eden II, and still find myself doing what I feel is right in stead of what god says is right – for instance, if I keep on sinfully supporting the movement for equal rights for my gay mates and relatives as I do currently – then I will eventually die, be briefly resurrected just so everyone can have a good jeer at me, and then off to the lake of fire with me? How spiteful! What small minded pettyness!

    This reminds me of my wife. She said that she lost her faith in Catholic dogma the moment she realized that if the dogma was right, she was actually a nicer and more tolerant person that god. I sincerely doubt that (all) the followers of the armstrongian-based dogmas would be as mean-spirited as that.

    Mal, did Ron at least get rid of the lake of fire bit and make it where nonconformists like me just don’t wake up after their second innings? That seems a lot more sensible to me. In fact, if you already know what is going to happen anyway, why wake me up at all?

    On the subject of greedy preachers – last week I saw one on one of the many evangelical channels that makes it a two-way street: If you buy his book and believe his particular interpretation of the bible, not only will god bless you more, but he will do so in a manner that will make you financially successful. Isn’t that awesome? A pray yourself rich program. If I could get my hands on that book without supporting human foot-fungi like that preacher I would read it just out of morbid curiosity.

  • Atrocious says:

    Matt said:
    “On the subject of greedy preachers – last week I saw one on one of the many evangelical channels that makes it a two-way street: If you buy his book and believe his particular interpretation of the bible, not only will god bless you more, but he will do so in a manner that will make you financially successful. Isn’t that awesome? A pray yourself rich program. If I could get my hands on that book without supporting human foot-fungi like that preacher I would read it just out of morbid curiosity.”

    Yeah…with Ron-god it’s “give me your “tithes” or I’ll disfellowship you, and if you are disfellowshipped, you will be condemned to the third resurrection for going against god willingly…” which is a negative reinforcement. With people like the guy who has the big glass house, it’s “Please help by sending in your support, for, without you, this work would not be possible.” and I laugh because all during their services they go on about how with god, ALL things are possible. Then there are those who say, like you said, Matt; “…not only will god bless you more, but he will do so in a manner that will make you financially successful.” Positive reinforcement.

    All these are just different ways to get your money. And they ain’t getting mine (I’ve been in poverty my entire life and it hasn’t changed so I don’t have it to give anyway).

    I feel that if a group is really of God, they will attempt to fulfill the needs of the people and “spread the gospel of love” with whatever God makes available to them, whether through money or miracles. And they will NEVER ask the congregation to give. If God is behind it, He will make it possible.

    That’s why I’m not a part of any organization. I haven’t found one like that. But Weinland is one of the worst for money-grubbing as far as I can see.

  • Matt says:

    Hang on – so if you are a church member, but leave, then it is straight to the gas-chamber, no second chance? For disagreeing with someones personal interpretation of god? That would not be fair even if the person doing the interpreting is 100% correct.

  • Mark says:

    “Hang on – so if you are a church member, but leave, then it is straight to the gas-chamber, no second chance?”

    In the old WCG we would say that the person probably never was converted in the first place. We didn’t want to think of ex-members as committing the “unpardonable sin”.

    The problem I see with talking about resurrections is that Ron’s doctrines are pretty much the mainstream COG doctrines when it comes to this. I think it detracts from the central issue of Ron exalting himself to be God’s end-time chosen vessel. Wait, some in other COGs do the same thing.

    Man, when you get right down to it, HWA sure did breed a crop of “God’s servants” whos main motivation is to be top dog! The one who struts his feathers the most wins!

    It sure is freeing to get off that treadmill of following MEN.

  • Dave says:

    Sitting on the fence (no man’s land) as MAL has so long balanced, must get awful tiring for the mind… not to mention the awful splinters.

  • Mal says:

    “Mal, did Ron at least get rid of the lake of fire bit and make it where nonconformists like me just don’t wake up after their second innings? That seems a lot more sensible to me. In fact, if you already know what is going to happen anyway, why wake me up at all?”

    Seems like RW tends to agree with you Matt. See extract below from sermon on Oct 9th 2009.

    “We used to think, I’m not convinced of that, that at the end of a hundred years; that everyone who has ever committed the unpardonable sin, they’re going to be resurrected to be given life again just to be put to death again. What does that teach? What good is that going to do? What’s the purpose of that? I can understand someone dying and committing the unpardonable sin and that being the end. Who is it going to help at the end of a hundred years? Who is it going to teach? What is it going to teach to resurrect someone, just to put them to death again? These are things that God is going to have to reveal to us and help us to more fully understand because candidly it doesn’t reflect the mercy of God and the judgement of God in so many ways.”

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    You’re right Dave, I am finding the subject of splinters quite painful. It’s a rough old fence to sit on !

  • Aggie says:

    “3rd Resurrection – Everybody that rejects God’s Government get an Encore return to earth/existence to be permanently burned up in the Lake O’ Fire. To never, ever, exist again.

    You know, now that I actually type this, it seems crazier than what the Scientology people believe.”

    I know, right? They’re all alike. And I’ve said for years that I wouldn’t want to live in that Kingdom: When/if the time comes that I find myself in the 3rd Resurrection, I will do a swan dive into the Lake of Fire, laughing all the way down.

    The thing that used to really frighten me, when I was small, was the “Not even the MEMORY of you will remain!” If you come up in the 3rd Rez, you’re given instant oblivion, and no one even remembers that you ever lived or died, or anything that you were or said or did; your entire existence, just *snaps fingers* gone, like that.

    Mind you, I look at the professing Christian’s “Yer gonna buuuuuuurn in HAAAAAAAAAAY-ELLL” idiocy, and I just laugh. “Hell” has nothing on what I was afraid of, when I was small; besides, I practice Pascal’s Wager in reverse: If it turns out the Christians were right (Hmmm. maybe not.), I fully intend to sign up for the kitchen staff, or other suitable position. So, no, the thought of “Hell” (if such a ridiculous thing even existed) doesn’t scare me in the slightest.

    “Hang on – so if you are a church member, but leave, then it is straight to the gas-chamber, no second chance?”

    Yep. Even if you’re kicked out. (Disfellowshipped.) Especially if you’re kicked out, thus placing you “outside God’s protection”. If you haven’t been baptized yet, there’s a slim chance you’ll get in to the 2nd Rez, but if you HAVE been baptized, and have the power of the Holy Spirit (Note the semi-Arianism, this is NOT the professing Christian “Holy Spirit Person” I’m talking about, here.) in you, well then, all bets are off, and you’ve just bought yourself a one-way ticket to eternal oblivion.

    ….

    Baywolfe’s right. The $cilons are saner than us. 😯

    “You’re right Dave, I am finding the subject of splinters quite painful. It’s a rough old fence to sit on !”

    750 of them, at last count, Mal. (This includes the “independent” congregations, that splintered off into their own little world after the changes.) Which one of THOSE “True Churches of God” is THE “true church”?

    Didn’t take me long to realize, after my family fell away, that NONE of them are…even “the True Church” wasn’t….It’s ALL rotten fruit from the same stinking tree.

  • Fred says:

    Everything that everyone has written about this Mr Weinland and his wife doesnt give them and their followers much of a chance…And sounds like hes been wrong a few to many time too..lol..But! with what I have now read about what he is saying and what I see going on in this world now, the man could very well be Right! Yes!
    If you look at whats going on in the world it seems to me that all he says is starting to fall into place for him and I’m getting more sure about it too.. But a little bit more time will tell wont it? And you may find your selves thinking twice about what he be trying to say and more so about what yous have been saying about him.Yes!
    Yous all better hope and start praying that hes wrong, other wise if he is right and has the last say that will mean yous are all wrong and in shit street deeply AYE!!..lol.lol.lol..

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Um, Fred, that’s what ‘they’ have been saying for 2,000 years. World war 1 and 2 etc. Maybe u should read rons book properly to see how wrong he is. You may need to engage an English interpreter however, as you obviously don’t have a good grasp on the language. Good luck with that.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Fred, since you’re such an expert on what Weinland has said, so well read and everything, how about an education from you? Start with the First Phase of the Fifth Thunder of the Sixth Seal, and tell us all about how it was fulfilled when Weinland said it was to be.

    After which, tell us about the prophet in the Bible whose prophecies failed over and over, and then was right.

    We await your elucidation, oh master Fred.

  • Fred says:

    Hi gUys Im back ..Sorry been away working..We can’t all sit around waiting for someone to comment on something about Ron so you pair of $$$$$$$$ can take the %%%%% %%% out of what they write.

    And you Kirrily, I dont need a %%%% English interpreter on how the book was written and you only said that to run the book down and make out its very sick and difficult to read you $$$$$$ You..I can see what your up to and is that the best you can say?

    I’ve read bits in pieces of his book and I dont have to look around very far to see that there are many things happening in the world that Ron is talking about that make sense..

    People are allowed to make up their own minds who they want to follow in religion or anything without %%%%% pricks like yous taking the piss out of what they would like to be part of..
    Anyone can see yous are hell bent on tearing down what the man says and has not yet fufilled..So tell me this! What the %%%% have you got to offer thats better than what he offers ?????Tell me that $$$$$

    Mike ,You can start by not tryin to make out your such a clever $$$$$$ okay you smart jumped up prick ..And if you were standing in front of me you would not call me master Fred. Be sure of that you &&&&&&!!

    I will not answering anything until you tell me what do you have to offer people thats better for them than what Ron is trying to offer people??
    And you never answered what I asked you in my firstt message about what if he is right and you are wrong. What if the man is right??..Answer that first, so everyone can see since you think you are such a clever $$$$$$.!

    I look at it like this! In order for some one like you to go through all this trouble to prove some one wrong and laugh at someone elses expense you must have something much better to offer or your mouth should be kept shut $$$$$$ okay..

    I am not in old Rons Church either just in case you pair of $$$$$ get that idea, but I do like what he says..

    I Bet, if the truth be known, you’s both dont like any of what I just wrote to you’s aye $$$$$$??? lol.lol.lol.lol.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Fred watch the language. For such a Christian you certainly have a potty mouth. And taking such offense to “master Fred”? Well, that’s consistent with the language skills you’ve demonstrated here.

    There’s no point in answering the “what if he’s right” question because he’s demonstrated himself to be wrong over and over. While you’ve read only bits and pieces, Kirrily and I have read the whole book and rebutted its failures. See the link for the book review right up top in the banner to this blog.

    But if you think he’s right, why haven’t you joined his church and sent in your money? If he’s right, you’re going to die.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Fred, I deleted your reply. More bad language. And overuse of capitalization. Any further posts from you will be automatically held in my moderation queue.

    What do I offer? I offer a life free of the false fear created by the exploiting False Prophet Ronald Weinland. Priceless and free of charge.

  • Coshakiwi says:

    True and Justily said Mel, Only Fools would argue against those facts aye Kirrliy X kgb ‘shot gun rider’

    Fred thinks your comments are very truthful to Mel, but he has been cut off this site because he loves to swear at ‘$$$$$$’ .

    Let’s at least get the facts straight about what Ron Weinland preaches, which is the following:

    The horrific events at the end of this age are brought on by the sin of mankind not God. It is a loving, merciful God who intervenes to prevent sinful man completely destroying himself (Mark 13:19,20).

    Millions will die in this horrific period (Rev 9), which mankind brings on himself. This is not eternal death, but simply means we would miss out on participating in the events of the ‘Millennium’.

    The merciful intervention of God brings about the return of Christ and the first resurrection (the 144,000 ‘firstfruits’). Christ and the 144,000 will then reign over the earth, and over those that make it through the tribulation into the Millennium. During this 1000 year period, when the earth is governed in God’s way, a gradual restoration occurs until nature and the earth is returned to the state God originally intended it.

    At the end of the 1000 year period, a second resurrection occurs (Rev 20:5,6), when the remainder of mankind is resurrected to life on the restored earth. God will then give another opportunity to live by God’s righteous ways and attain everlasting life, or choose Satan’s ways and die.

    Ron does not teach eternal torment in a lake of fire. But that if, after all the opportunities God gives us, we still choose Satan’s ways over His ways, we face eternal death.

    Even if Ron is false, does this sound like the God that Ron preaches is a tyrant ?

    As a comparison, most of ‘traditional Christianity’ teaches that all mankind has just the one chance to accept Christ before the end of this life. If we don’t, God will send us to a place of eternal torment.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Coshakiwi, you need to watch the words as well.

    Who is Mel? There haven’t been any Mels posting here.

    We already know about Weinland’s plan of god, blah-blah-blah. No need to educate us. With respect to Ron’s god being a tyrant, I’ve stated my case in comments earlier in this thread, and already addressed your points. ’nuff said.

  • Fred says:

    Its Okay Mike.
    Only you and I both know that you Added too and took away from what I worte on here
    But you added way to many of them bad swear words one would think to make yourself look good and the other person look bad
    Your very good at thee old Copy and Paste and Add and takeaway I must say.. Well Done Mike!!Your a winner at your own game.
    But thats Okay, It doesn’t matter to me much at all what you write, I Forgive you. Its your site and your free to write whatever you like on it.

    Anyways!
    All I wanted to say is that, We all had such a great time together and we were all like one big happy family at the Feast site in Rotorua.. It was Truly Wonderful..
    It was also very nice to meet Mr & Miss’s Weinland and there very Loving family members aswell and also other Loving members that came from over seas for the Feast site.
    Such Dear and Wonderful people that they all are..

    Owww and your Right Mike! You would of needed ear pluggs if you heard my singing..
    I’m just so thankful all the other members sounded so beautiful with there joyful singing and no one could hear me because my singing is not good at all.

    But anyway, We all made such a Joyful noise and thats all that counts.

    Sorry, but I wont have time to come on here anymore because I have much work and learning to do these days

    But you and all your friends on here be sure to take good care and have a nice day where ever yous are.

    Bye Mike

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Very cute, Fred. But you had to explain it to your elder, and if he wants to believe I added swear words, that’s his problem. Of course God knows the truth, right?

  • Fred says:

    I Did and it is Done!

    Bye Mike

  • angel says:

    Fred,

    I’m sure all your very dear wonderful new friends have given you the lowdown on all us terrible Ron-skeptics and Bible believers – ooooo, scary! And Mike has had so many complaints about adding swear words and leaving out parts of answers – oh wait – no, he hasn’t. Mike has allowed all kinds of nonsense from Ron’s supporters, and he has a record of being upfront and transparent about where he gets his information so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt before I will trust the word of someone who follows a proven liar.

    The noise you’ve made here was so unpleasant Mike felt he had to delete some of it so I can only imagine what your singing is like…..

  • Fred says:

    You have a nice day angel

    Bye

  • angel says:

    Thanks Fred, you too.