Weinland’s Books Like Fleece

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in the Portland, OR / Vancouver, WA area yesterday.  Ron’s elders continue to have health woes, with Tina who is the Associate Elder and wife of Senior Elder Jim Jamieson still battling the effects of her liver problems.  And Associate Elder Willy Doemeland, formerly of Colorado but now living in southeastern Indiana near his spiritual idol, is also in the hospital.

Ron continued his sermon series which eventually is to lead to a carrot.  He went down memory lane, mentioning 2005 several times.  In 2005, he had a heart attack, taught new truth about the origin of Christ, and announced himself as one of the Two Witnesses.  That was also the year in which he moved to his mansion on the golf course.  Also, April 15th of 2005 is when the statute of limitations began to countdown for any tax evasion he may have done in tax year 2004, which is the first tax year for which the IRS initiated a criminal tax investigation.

During 2007 he figured out that Readers Digest ads would not work the way they did for his spiritual idol Herbert Armstrong, and that Google Ads were the way to go.  According to yesterday’s sermon, the feast in 2008 was shorter so that money could be spent on promoting his message.  Actually, there wasn’t to be an organized feast in 2008 because we were to be greatly suffering the Great Tribulation.  Speaking of organized feasts, there will be a feast site in Florida, and the hotel in Nashville has only king-sized rooms available for reservation, and since the church’s discounted block of rooms is exhausted the rooms are market price.

Ron revisited his “running down the hill” theme which is a distortion of the story of Gideon’s army of 300, which happens to have been the approximate size of PKG in the years leading up to 2008.  Ron likened his books to Gideon’s fleece which Gideon used to test whether the voice in his head really was God.  But Ron has never tested the voice in his head, which gave him the material for his second book when he sat down to write.  The only fleecy thing about “2008: God’s Final Witness” is what it does to the gullible who believe the already failed prophecies in it.  Ron described himself increasing in boldness throughout the interviews he had promoting his books beginning in 2004.  His boldness increased all the way up to last year, topping off when he spoke at ideaCity, after which he boldly fled after taking exception to the material of another presenter.

Perhaps the sermon series will eventually get to his promised carrot.  In the meantime, he threw out another one.  Many unnamed long-time members are eligible to be ordained, but the time is not yet right.  I guess that means there will be plenty of time to ordain them and train them before the Great Tribulation starts.  But it will have to start soon, as there are now less than 98 weeks before Christ doesn’t return on the eve of Pentecost, 2012.

25 Comments

  • Atrocious says:

    Every week he just shows more and more how delusional he is, how much he doesn’t make any sense, how his reasoning is so screwed up in his own head. Pathetic doesn’t even begin to describe him. His brain is fried with his own ego. Pathetic soul.

  • Whisper says:

    Delay, delay, delay… talk about this, talk about that, talk talk talk. No do do do? No prohecy coming true, no recognition, no host of new members…
    Sing, dance, repeat as required.

    Lets see, the G-Trib started in April of 2008 and Ron gives the total length at 42 months. We are in July 2010, thats ah… um… 27 months in, minus from the total, ah, carry the 5, take the cosine, um… well that puts us at the 64% mark more or less. 64% complete and no destruction or mayham. Odd. I was rather expecting the destruction to start in day one of month one of year one.
    Why have a tribulation if there is in fact no tribulation?

    Oh yes, the answer is rather simple, money! Fame! Fortune!

    Ron is rather a twit is he not? Not just a twit, but a rather base little twit. Hoping for the death of others, has not Ron in fact read the good book.
    No matter, Ron is building up his treasure in Heaven. May he be truely pity’d.

    Go figure?

  • Likening his books to Gideon’s fleece – is this setting himself up for an out? I mean, if nothing happens is he going to say that he was receiving revelations, wrote the books to test if they were from God and would happen as revealed to him, and now that nothing has come out of it he knows it all wasn’t from God? He can say it was a good thing he used the books like Gideon’s fleece to be sure it was all true. Then pat himself on the back for “testing the spirits” and conveniently overlook his insistence that he and his wife were the two witnesses.

  • Aggie says:

    “….there will be a feast site in Florida, and the hotel in Nashville has only king-sized rooms available for reservation, and since the church’s discounted block of rooms is exhausted the rooms are market price.”

    These two things are connected directly; I didn’t know this, but Florida is apparently THE major Feast destination in the US; even non-CoG groups (see Feastgoer.org if you don’t believe me) end up there. With the splinter groups, it’s even more of a madhouse, with (apparently) a lot of intervisitation between brethren, who wouldn’t DARE go to each other’s services. How hypocritical is that?!

    Anyway, Weinland wants to be where all the action is this year; maybe he figures he can poach a significant number from “the scattered church” that way….Although given the bad publicity he’s gotten on Ambassador Watch, and even in the Armstrongist stronghold of (and I use this word loosely) “reporting” that is The Journal, I don’t think he stands much of a chance, on that front. If nothing else, the unitarianism is the final nail in the CoG-PKG’s coffin, for attracting other ex-WCGers to their ranks; that’s one Herbie teaching the Gestapo just can’t compromise on, without serious consequences. My proof? Exhibit A: Grace Communion International.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    How is Ronnie going to poach the other CoGs by having a feast site in Florida? He doesn’t publish the exact location of his meeting sites or allow drop-in traffic. If I were to publish the locations he would have his associate elders posted outside to guard against intruders. Probably even if I don’t publish the locations. Also, all the FoT sites listed on the website you linked are at least a couple of hundred miles away from Jacksonville.

  • jack635 says:

    Ron’s elders continue to have health woes

    Why doesn’t Ron heal the sick and raise the dead? Jesus says he shall be able to do these things if he is a prophet of God the Father. So according to the testimony of Jesus Christ of Nazareth Son of the Living God, Ronald Weinland is false and condemned. Will his followers believe the bible that Ron is reading from and supposedly operating under it’s authority?

    No. Because they don’t read their bibles either. If they did, they wouldn’t be even listening to Ron.

  • Aggie says:

    “How is Ronnie going to poach the other CoGs by having a feast site in Florida?”

    One word: Fellowshipping. I don’t know if this holds true for the splinter groups, but back in the day, you could definitely tell who was “brethren” and who wasn’t, at any of the myriad tourist attractions/restaurants/other places we used to gather, once we got out of services…..I’m sure the same holds true for Florida now, only the catch is, the brethren will have to ask each other “And which True Church are you with?”

    Very schizophrenic, that. Fie on the lot of them, none of them ARE the True Church of God, and that INCLUDES the True Church of God that said was such, when there was only one of them; fact is, there is no god, that’s all there is to it. 38,000 denominations of Christianity surely can’t be right, now can they? And all based on a very few long-past-their-best-by-date books that were probably written sometime in the 4th century.

    (Did you know there are even hundreds and hundreds of Catholic splinter groups? All of them with their very own Pope! Dagon-hat, expensive bling, funny dress, the whole nine yards. Very entertaining.)

  • Aggie says:

    Each of them has their very own Pope, I mean, hope that part wasn’t unclear. Someone oughta do a pictorial survey, “Popes in the Known World”. From what I’m seeing, it would be an hour long! This old lady REALLY takes the cake, though; check out the Imelda Marcos sunglasses! Or there’s this dude (I added the captions, BTW, and they were very pissed off with me that I had done so.), doesn’t HE look like a barrel o’ laughs, fun, and sunshine?? Then we have Pope Michael I, who has at least dispensed with the Dagon hat, the funny dress, and the bling, but he STILL manages to look like a tool. The twist with “Pope Michael” though is he think he’s ACTUALLY the Pope. As in, the RCC Pope, who all these other demi-Popes (Pope mini-mes?) claim he shouldn’t exist. Or the office shouldn’t. Or something. But the Roman city-state of the Vatican is “in exile”, see.

    In Kansas.

    Go on, click the links if you don’t believe me!

    My point (and yes, I do have one), is this: Every pastor/leader/minister/officer/hireling/imam/rabbi/guru/guide/teacher of EVERY religiously-themed institution on this PLANET is mentally ill. Ronald Weinland and his wife don’t even come close to qualifying for that kind of crazy, because they’re not. They’re only in it to reap their retirement pension, plus a little bonus on the side, from all those “broken pitchers” before June 8, 2008, where people were sending in thousands of dollars (even if the Witless Wonders were forced to send 2K of it back because the family threatened to sue).

    There are many many many many mentally ill religious leaders in this world. Ronald Weinland is not one of them. Is he a sociopath? Beyond doubt. But that isn’t a mental illness. That’s a congenital disorder, from the ground up.

  • JB says:

    I am confused. Aren’t there a large number of feast sites this year? Are there going to be a small handful of people at each site sitting in a small hotel room listening to a monalog on a computer each day? Why would the reduced price reserved rooms expire in early July when the feast isn’t until Sept? Keep in mind that I have never been a member of PKG or COG, never been to a fot and never plan to be at one. The Feast of Tab made sense to the people of Israel who tried to follow God’s old laws, it makes no sense today.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    You are correct, JB. PKG is planning about a dozen different feast sites. Sites which God somehow placed his name on, and somehow a hotel suite is a booth. No need for tree branches either.

  • Aggie says:

    Eh, it’s always been that way, though. Just not quite so…schizophrenic. Traditionally, June/July was when the registration cards came out for the Feast, and you had to put down your top three choices for the area you’d like to transfer to. North of the 49th, it was usually Niagara Falls, or the Poconos, that I remember. Never got to the mythical Dells, but we had moved too far west then, where the feted sites were Seattle, Victoria, or Pasadena, in descending order of likelihood which one we would get…..

    “Grace Communion International”, for all that they have “been transformed by truth” still does this, only they try and mask it in the trappings of a Christian festival, so their evangelical bedfellows will not get upset, nor think anything is amiss…..

  • Aggie says:

    Let me try that link again, I don’t know why it didn’t post.

    “Grace Communion International” still does this, for all that they have “been transformed by truth” still does this, only they try and mask it in the trappings of a Christian festival, so their evangelical bedfellows will not get upset, nor think anything is amiss…..”

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    I thought that WCG/GCI had quit observing the feast. And I see that they have, this year their shindig is in October while the real feast starts Sept 23.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Aggie said

    “How is Ronnie going to poach the other CoGs by having a feast site in Florida?”

    One word: Fellowshipping. I don’t know if this holds true for the splinter groups, but back in the day, you could definitely tell who was “brethren” and who wasn’t, at any of the myriad tourist attractions/restaurants/other places we used to gather, once we got out of services…..I’m sure the same holds true for Florida now, only the catch is, the brethren will have to ask each other “And which True Church are you with?”

    Since Jacksonville is over 150 miles from the other CoG’s feast sites, I doubt that they’ll be running into one another during the day. As far as fellowshipping bring more ex-WCGers into the PKG fold, Weinland has a negative repution among the CoGgers who know of him.

  • JB says:

    Ron is a pro at promoting good will–NOT! I can’t imagine why any splinter group would want to join him.

  • Baywolfe says:

    I thought that WCG/GCI had quit observing the feast. And I see that they have, this year their shindig is in October while the real feast starts Sept 23.

    I guess Jr. has powers that RW can only dream of. He can move the feast at will.

  • J says:

    WCG/GCI is so schizophrenic. Each congregation pretty much does as it pleases. Some do Saturday, some do Sunday. Some keep the holy days, some don’t. It’s a veritable religious buffet.

  • Aggie says:

    J,

    This is what we have always assumed, based on what’s been posted to the Internet. Can you confirm that you’ve witnessed this to be the case in actual Gracie congregations?

    Thanks.

  • Whisper says:

    The Greek Macedonian Empire sprang forth quite suddendly risingfrom a mere northern region of tiny Greece to all of Greece, Turkey, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, parts of India and Afganistan as well as parts of Russia, Pakistan and the Balkans in Europe. But as soon as its creator died then it was splintered and the regional leaders took direct control of what they already held. Such is the life of political and religious empires. For it is human nature to want to be the head of ones own state, ones own empire.
    Ron takes up the role of a physical very small barony with his 300+/- people and takes up the role of a mental Empire as Leader of the One True Church.

    If God is all things to all people how can thier be One True Church?

    Go figure?

  • Baywolfe says:

    Whisper, yeah but where is the Ptolemy of the bunch to take his people to true enlightenment instead of clutching and grabbling for power and self-glorification?

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”

    –Epicurus

  • J says:

    Aggie,

    Based on my observation, it is entirely up to each congregation whether they keep Saturday or Sunday as the day of worship. Upon looking at GCI’s statement of beliefs, the word “Sabbath” is nowhere to be seen. Same goes for “Sunday.” Heck, at least Catholics declare Sunday to be the day of worship. They’re not too cowardly to avoid the subject altogether!

    What remains of the old WCG San Jose, CA congregation still meets on Saturday, still with the same pastor I remember from childhood. That, of course, is not the norm. I see others meeting on Sunday, and even going by different names, yet they still identify with WCG/GCI in the church database.

    A few years back, my mother and I (back when she still attended UCG) bumped into a family we remembered from WCG, which they still attended. This was on the evening that Day of Atonement ended. We had gone to the restaurant to break the fast, as did they. My mother asked them if their church still kept the holy days, and they said no, but that they are allowed to keep them if they wish.

    I guess it gets down to this….in order to keep as many people as possible, WCG/GCI is willing to be as broad and flexible as possible with their fundamental beliefs, allowing everyone to do as they please.

    They’d might as well convert to Catholicism since they ripped off their idea.

    Though WCG/GCI does seem to put their foot down regarding their belief in the Trinity, I’m willing to bet that there are unitarian and binitarian WCG/GCI congregations out there.

  • Baywolfe says:

    They’d might as well convert to Catholicism since they ripped off their idea.

    LOL, my very thought based on your previous sentence. Catholic = Universal. I remember the astonished looks some friend’s faces back in the WCG days when I told them I have very catholic tastes when it comes to steak. So I had to waste a few mintutes explaining…

  • Aggie says:

    “Though WCG/GCI does seem to put their foot down regarding their belief in the Trinity, I’m willing to bet that there are unitarian and binitarian WCG/GCI congregations out there.”

    Anecdotally, I know of at least three congregations that are still binitarian, run on a don’t-ask-don’t-tell policy by their pastard…Still, some of Larry’s comments make sense, in light of what you say here…back when the changes were first brought down on us (Like Samson bringing down the Philistine temple—and we were told we were the Philistines!), we were basically told, DO THIS (Christmas, trinitarianism, bye-bye Holy Days, bible-thump at total strangers), or don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. They must have realized their mistake when the great Exodus (sorry) started…which explains why they must have moderated this attitude, in the ensuing fallout. We stayed for two years post-changes, though, and they hadn’t softened their stance one bit, at that point; I wonder how many years after that it was, before they started to come around to the idea that, if they didn’t let “God’s Righteous Under Much Persecution” have their way, then Junior wouldn’t have any income at all? (I’m assuming the “faithful” still pay their three tithes to Junior, regardless of what they think of the man’s crap theology itself.)

    Thanks for your input though, it pretty much confirms what I’ve always suspected.

  • J says:

    Yeah, as soon as daddy Tkach said that tithing was no longer necessary, revenues plummeted by 90%. Whodathunkit?

  • Aggie says:

    Yeah…question is, was that 90% “not truly converted”, or were they just like my family, too broke to do it one more year without severe hardship? I would be willing to say the latter was probably the case, for most of us….