Satan Is Not a Happy Camper

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Warrenton, Missouri this weekend.  Warrenton is between St. Louis and Columbia, Missouri and is where his elder Dee lives.  Despite Dee being the probable hostess for the out-of-towners, the local elders with male plumbing (Shawn and Sam) got to give the prayers and Sam did a better job than during the last visit.

Ron announced that his elder (and wife of senior elder Jim Jamieson) Tina has experienced liver failure.  I lost a co-worker to liver failure after a transplant was rejected, and like Tina was also in his 50’s.  Hopefully Tina’s situation will resolve better.

This was part 2 of his “More Time” sermon series.  It promises to be a long series, with Ron still dangling a carrot as yet undelivered.  Probably yet another straw wrested from Stong’s Concordance and the calendar.  During yesterday’s sermon, Ron revisited his timeline (the current one, his second revised) starting with Christmas of 2007, Feast of Trumpets of 2008 being 280 days later, etc, etc.  He also reviewed the lead-up to the timelines beginning with the opening of the 6th seal on 9/11 and writing his two books, including his heart attack suffered in August of 2005 while pulling weeds from a ditch at his mansion on the golf course. Also one of his Mediterranean cruises back in 2003.  He did not revisit how it was that he can to be a prophet beginning in 1997.

During the sermon yesterday I was preached at twice, receiving this email:

Do you believe there will be two end-time prophets that God will raise up in these last days.It speaks of them in the book of Malachi 4:5.It is said that one will be Elijah and the other Melchizedek.As I begin to read about the so called Prophet Ronald Weinland on your blog I decided to send you this e-mail.I don’t know who  they will be but I do know that I am an end-time Apostle/Prophet of Christ sent by God.I think you want to meet me and hear what I have to say .In the first 15 pages of Ronald Weinland book 2008 there is one thing that I know is true.There is a Prophet that have and record events that will take place and visions given to him by God.Mighty things God have shown him.He is being taught at this time and being prepared to go forth and speak God’s word .The end is near and so is Jesus Christ return.

Well, Alvin, if you are a “Prophet of Christ sent by God”, how about some proof?  Give us a prophecy, specific and useful.  How about some winning lottery numbers?  In the meantime, you should learn some grammar or gather some acolytes who will edit your writings for you, as Larry Spivey does for Ron.



  • Steve says:

    “including his heart attack suffered in August of 2005 while pulling weeds from a ditch at his mansion on the golf course”


    “Well, Alvin, if you are a “Prophet of Christ sent by God”, how about some proof?”

    Alvin of the chipmunks???? …it was a kids cartoon incase you don’t know

  • Aggie says:

    And so, the False Witlesses come out of the woodwork, DESPITE the fact that Witless Weinland’s already long-since named the little woman his 2IC….

    “(the current one, his second revised) starting with Christmas of 2007”

    Eh? Typo there, Mike? The 2nd timeline started in Dec. 2008….Christmas 2007 was when I heard about the first timeline, on the old Shadows of WCG “discussion” board (I put the word discussion in quotes because, at the time, it was a poor front-scheme for converting ex-members to Christianity), because that’s when they were starting to “warn the world”. I think there were a couple of posts on AW in late 2007, as well, all of which referred to the first timeline.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    No, not a typo. While his 1260-day point was in December of 2008, his 1335-day point was Trumpet of 2008 and 280 days before that was Christmas of 2007.

  • jack635 says:

    To Alvin and all those who perceive themselves to be sent by God/Jesus:

    If you are a prophet, you will not have to announce or proclaim yourself. Your actions in the form of miraculous supernatural abilities will speak for you. If you can’t heal the incurable or walk on water or fly, your full of baloney. Have you laid your hands on the sick and healed them Alvin? Mark 16:17

  • Aggie says:

    Heh, I wonder what dates ol’ Ronnie has lined up for his third timeline…the 2nd one is getting well past its best-by date, by now.

  • Aggie says:

    its, not it’s. Dunno why I’ve been making that mistake a lot, lately. Losing neurons as I get old. 😛

    Mike(DDTFA): FIFY. But you, unlike most people, actually know when to use which form of “it’s” / “its”.

  • Christian says:

    Another timeline, another “prophet”, another blog. More fun for all… Happy 4th of July! If the Germans win the World Cup then Armegeddon begins.

  • Kirrily Xpkg says:

    Christian says: If the Germans win the World Cup then Armegeddon begins.


    Hope you Americans had a great 4th July.

  • jack635 says:

    Aggie said:
    the 2nd one is getting well past its best-by date, by now.

    Yes. By now it stinketh.

  • Aggie says:

    LOL, yes, happy Independence Day, 3 days too late…. 😉

  • Whisper says:

    Two time lines and edit to one.
    Mercy but Gods most Powerful Prophets are rather weak on giving good information.
    Oh just one miracle, spoken of and defined before hand to show us all. One impossible feat of understanding or power. One prophecy told in such detail that it could not take place, but does. One spoken sermon where the rains are shut up over any country in the world for a week, one act of power to show the people of the world who is the man.
    May haps this new contestant will make such a prophecy like Ron used to do before he learned that he can’t, has not affinity for the work. If this new contestant would screw up the courage to stand up on center stage and make his decree, make his “prophecy” of something to come in the very new future that no one would have imagined possible. Something definable, tangible, a recordable act of God spoken before by his Witness.

    That would but a burr in Ron’s bonnet to be sure…

    Go figure!

  • jack635 says:

    How about some winning lottery numbers?

    Hee. Hee.

    07, 11, 16, 23, 38, 39

    Use your winnings for good instead of evil.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, I already have some winning Powerball numbers: 3 10 14 52 53 with Powerball 3. I found them out the same way that Ron prophesies. 😀

  • jack635 says:

    Off topic of this post but, you Americans really get screwed on your lottery winnings. Up here in Canada if I win 7 million dollars I get a cheque for 7 million dollars. The only thing the government can tax is the interest made on the winnings that are invested. There was talk up here a few years ago of taxing lottery winnings but it got shot down as blatant theivery. (which is what Ron does by tithing his prisoners of fear)

  • JB says:

    Kind of makes me want to drive to Canada and buy a lottery ticket! Actually we have a better chance of winning the lottery than for Ron to be right on anything!

  • Baywolfe says:

    JB, that wouldn’t work. You’d still have to pay US Taxes on your Canadian Lottery winnings. Unca’ Sam gets his cut on foreign income too. Just ask the guy who won the first Survivor game.

  • Aggie says:

    Uhhhhhh, Jack? We PAY for the lottery WITH OUR TAXES. That’s why it’s non-taxable, if we win. Because it’s subsidized by the Feds AND the Provincial Govt’s, which we pay taxes too, and THEN we pay again, when we buy tickets. (I try and stay away from gambling, but usually in the summer I’ll buy pull-tab tickets; my one weakness).

    So, yeah, paying for our lottery tickets TWICE is OK in some people’s minds (“People who buy lottery tickets can’t do math.”) but paying for it THREE times, is just in excess…..

  • Aggie says:

    Which we pay taxes TO. Goddammit. Typing on the fly. I’ve got to get off the computer…..

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    That’s exactly backward from how lotteries work in the states, where about half of the money wagered on lottery is either kept by the government or used for administering the lottery, and only about half of the money is paid in jackpots to the winner.

    Aggie, I did a Google search and couldn’t find anything on governments subsidizing lottery pools in Canada. Only thing I could find on the topic was this statement on Wikipedia: “Primary, 48% of the total sales are used for jackpot, with the remaining 52% used for administration and sponsorship of hospitals and other local causes.

    How about a link to a website that backs up your notion that the Canadian government subsidizes their lottery? Otherwise, I at the least remain highly skeptical.

  • GD says:

    Weinland Obviously now knows he is not the witness,prophet ,elijah /Does he also realise the damage he has done to so many families .
    People left struggling because of his demands for tithes,broken homes ,children left without mothers or fathers .most of his PKG members are depressed unsecure people who are having things made worse because of his own made up bible teachings .
    Does he or his wealthy family care ?? I think everyone knows the answer is no !! How can anyone believe that such selfish greedy people can have anything to do with any church or honestly believe that GOD is talking to Ronald f/in weinland …

  • jack635 says:

    How about a link to a website that backs up your notion

    Heh Heh. “Just the facts maam.”

    This is why your website is credible source on Weinland. You do your research and certify the facts.

    I was a 6/49 retailer in the 80’s and it is true that the prize pool is almost a 50 50 draw. My point was that if the announced prize is a hundred million, the Canadian prize winner gets 100 mil and if it was an American, the American prize winner does not get 100 million.(more like 40 mill or 1 million a year for 40 years etc) It just seems like a bit of a rip off when the lottery sign says JACKPOT 30 MILLION and the prize winner gets a cheque for 11 million. And then probably gets taxed as income again. But then again who can complain if they had a few million dumped in their lap?

    Sorry to cause such a ruckus, Mike.

  • jack635 says:

    GD — Does he also realise the damage he has done to so many families


    He’s a sociopath.

  • JB says:

    Yes, Ron is a sociopath and a darn good one at that. He talks about HIS “church” family with no reguard to family structures. It is especially difficult when one family member goes off completely to Weinland land and the rest stay grounded in reality.

  • Whisper says:

    Weinlands Psychology is based in a tried and true human trait that has been in effect since the dawn of time itself: “I Want”.
    It is animalistic, base, and without compasion or mercy (those being higher concepts of civilization & society). “I Want” will rule in children, always has and always will. Those same “I Want” children can be taught higher concepts such as compasion for ones own kind, love of ones brother, working for others instead of self. These concepts are what makes civilization climb. Weinland cares nothing for his fellow man, nothing for the culture around him, nothing for those who have fought and those who have died for him to be able to live in this culture. Weinland cares about “I Want”. Weinland wants for himself, money, glory, reverance, fame, titles (pomp)… Weinland mentally lives in the “I Want” mentality. I want to be the man, the leader of the one true church, leader of the 144,000, Apostle, Witness, Elijah, etc… Weinland wants comfort and money, rings for his wife, cars to drive, a large house to live in, vacations to take. Weinland is a child whom has not been taught the meaning of Christs desire for people, Gods Children. Mercy, Love, Respect, Happiness, Being ones brothers keeper, upholding the weak, curings the sick. These concepts that a man names Jesus proclaimed where the very foundation of Gods will for Mankind. Weinland misses all this because it has little to do with “I Want”. One does not get cars and houses, and ring and vacations promoting love of ones brother and helping the downtrodden.

    It’s simple psychology, Weinland and wife embrace “I Want”. Read his GFP2008 book and it is overflowing with “I Want”.
    Yet another example of love of God gone terribly wrong. Seriously, the man wants people to die and come to harm.
    What could be farther from the words of Jesus Christ?

    Go Figure?

  • Steve says:

    “the man wants people to die and come to harm”

    This is 100% utterly true.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Absolutely true. As evidenced by his death curse on me.

  • Aggie says:

    “How about a link to a website that backs up your notion that the Canadian government subsidizes their lottery? “

    CCRA list of non-taxable earnings; was this what you find? It might take a little more digging, and a few buried links, to find the info; obviously the government does NOT want the general lottery-ticket-buying public to know they are essentially “tithing three times” when they buy their tickets, LOL!

    OK, so I can’t find links to the Feds in a few seconds’, but here’s what the Ontario Lottery & Gaming Commission website has to say (AFAIK all the gaming commissions should be run the same way, with only minor differences, in each Province):

    “The Legislative authority of the Corporation is set out in the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation Act, 1999. Classified as an Operational Enterprise Agency, Ontario Lottery and Gaming Corporation (OLG) has a single shareholder, the Government of Ontario, and reports through its Board of Directors to the Minister of Finance.”

    So, not the Feds. But I do remember hearing on the radio some time back, that a certain portion of Federal tax money returned the provinces, was sunk into the gaming corps (Crown Corporations), as well. You would have to compare each one in turn, since there is a different corp. in each province that oversees gambling. The Feds must have their thumb in the pie somewhere, though, because the major jackpots are almost always distributed nationally; for example, the last major jackpot was split between one winner in Saskatchewan and three (I think) winners in Labrador. That’s two different provinces, which a Provincial Gaming Commission would not be allowed to oversee, or disperse funds to.

    Jack can probably comment on this, having been a retailer; I know the training is pretty extensive, just to own/operate a lottery ticket machine.

  • Aggie says:

    “what you found” not “what you find”. I’m trying to stay away from ex-CoG sites, but it’s making me MORE rushed when I do get on.

    Er, or “ex-CoG site, singular, I suppose. I’ve burned my bridges with all the others, most recently and rather spectacularly with the Painful Truth Forum….Mike, “I just can’t quit you!” 😀

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Let’s make it clear. Not taxing lottery payouts is NOT subsidizing them. Show me a link which states that tax revenues from sources other than lottery sales are used for the lottery. I followed one of your links to get a bit more information, and what I got indicates nothing about a subsidy.

    Hmmm. I looked at the PT forum, didn’t see anything out of the ordinary. Were some of your comments there deleted?

  • Aggie says:

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Ken did delete my comments, since deleting the account on Delphi won’t do that, they have be manually removed (or so the “Are you sure you really want to do this?” Delphi page told me.)

    Regardless of whether or not the federal links are common public knowledge/easily findable, the fact that there is a national draw means there IS some link with the federal government here; there has to be; a provincial agency that sells a winning ticket in Saskatchewan on a draw that involves ticket sales across the country, from other provincial agencies, has to have some legislation in place, from the federal government, whereby the provincial agencies are allowed to do this. That’s just the way the Canadian government works. Might be under the department of Finance somewhere. I do have better things to do, but just for your amusement/entertainment, I’ll dig up the link.

    I also notice Jack has made no comment since he popped up. Ah, well, as a retailer he probably never got that far into the behind-the-scenes part of it.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    OK, you’re talking about the Delphi forum, not the PT blog. Been quite awhile since I was on the forum, may have to pop in and see if anything’s going on.

    As far as the lottery, there’s a difference between legislation enabling the lottery and financially subsidizing the lottery from general tax revenues.

  • Aggie says:

    Interprovincial Lottery Corporation, of which I can find disturbingly little information. Wikipedia lists it as a “Government-owned company in Canada”, but the ILC is NOT listed under any of the Crown Corp categories at that link, and the link to the ILC webpage is Members Only for media releases.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Have found any legislation appropriating tax revenues to support the lottery?

  • Aggie says:

    “The ILC is a jointly owned corporation of the 10 Canadian provinces.” From here, which is still disturbingly little information, and I’m not sure what Federal loophole they’ve gotten around that allows them to do that. There’s nothing on the Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy Branch page about it.

    “(1) In this Section, “PROVINCIAL Lottery” means the PROVINCIAL Lottery operated by Interprovincial Lottery Corporation, a body incorporated by the Canada Business Corporations Act.” from , and the Canada Business Corporations Act is (drumroll please) administered/enforced by the Federal Department of Justice.

    Hmm, and according to this exemption:

    156. The Director may, on application of a corporation, authorize the corporation to omit from its financial statements any item prescribed, or to dispense with the publication of any particular financial statement prescribed, and the Director may, if the Director reasonably believes that disclosure of the information contained in the statements would be detrimental to the corporation, permit the omission on any reasonable conditions that the Director thinks fit.

    R.S., 1985, c. C-44, s. 156; 2001, c. 14, s. 74.”

    So, the ILC MAY receive Federal funding, from somewhere within the Federal-Provincial Purse, or they MAY NOT…but they’re not making it very transparent, just who/what they are, or where their funding is coming from (one of the Crown Corp funding sources, I’m assuming, conveniently listed under “Other”, on the Ministry of Finance’s Crown Corp. expenditures pie chart for 2008-2009, which I now can’t find amongst the 50 tabs I’ve closed, shit.

    Properties of the Canadian Business Corporations Act are covered under the Corporations Canada department. With no hits for the ILC. The only rules and regulations on the Net for the ILC is this, which is spectacularly unhelpful, and completely non-transparent.

    From a site with an antivirus warning on it (so I won’t link to it here):

    “The individual provincial organizations are wholly responsible for any marketing conducted for the national lottery games that fall within their own jurisdictions. The revenues generated by the operation of the lotteries are returned to the provinces. This return of revenues is done according to the proportion of generated sales.”

    From here:

    “1974-76: The Interprovincial Lottery Corporation was created through an act of the Ontario Legislature, and shortly after was federally incorporated with the western provinces. “ Emphasis mine. Which doesn’t surprise me. It must be buried somewhere in the Western Canada Acts….

    Interprovincial Lottery Corporation (ILC)
    “This organization joins together the five Canadian lottery corporations and operates Lotto 6/49, Super 7 and Special Event (Celebration). It was formed in 1976 by the Ontario Lottery Corporation (OLC) and the Western Canada Lottery Foundation (WCL). Loto-québec joined in 1978 and the Atlantic Lottery Corporation (ALC) in 1979.

    “The ILC makes payments to the Government of Canada as a result of an agreement between the Provincial Governments and the Federal Government on the withdrawal of the Federal Government from the lottery field. The agreement requires the provinces, on a combined basis, to make ongoing payments of $24 million in 1979 dollars annually on an inflation adjusted basis [currently $58.4 million].” – Western Canadian Lottery Corporation Annual Report 2003″

    What that means is, the Feds don’t subsidize the ILC/national lottery, but the part I’ve bolded above, indicates the Feds get a kick-back from the ILC for not doing so. Which still doesn’t mean the Provincial Gaming Commissions (that are members of the ILC, but are Crown Corporations in their own right) aren’t taking money out of the Federal pot from somewhere (because they’re Crown Corps). Also, don’t forget, the ILC was “federally incorporated in the western provinces”, which means it IS subsidized by Fed funding, as a Crown corp. But the WCLC (Western Canada Lottery Corp.) does not say straight out on their website they are “federally incorporated”, but given they indicate there are three provinces and two territories under their rubric, I can see why/how they could receive something from the Feds.

    But here’s the WCLC annual report from 2009:

    “The Interprovincial Lottery Corporation is incorporated under the Canada Business Corporations Act, and its shares are held by Her Majesty the Queen in right of the respective provinces.”

    So it’s owned by the Feds, but it’s in that special “dead space” of Crown Corps, where both the provincial and the federal governments have their thumbs in the pie. For instance, the ALC is a provincial Crown Corp, in four provinces, but the revenues are split between the four provinces. No Feds in the picture there. The WCLC being incorporated federally, however, and being a member of the ILC, makes things a bit stickier.

    More on Crown Corps, if you’re confused (I don’t think the USA has any equivalent):

    “A central rationale of crown corporations is that the commercial activities of government, to be performed successfully, must be shielded from constant government intervention and legislative oversight. Hence, crown corporations enjoy greater administrative freedom than government departments. As government enterprises, however, their autonomy cannot be absolute and must be tempered by some public control over policy-making. The Canadian experience suggests that the imperatives of corporate autonomy, government control, and legislative oversight are often conflicting and difficult to reconcile.


    “Parliament passes the legislation establishing federal crown corporations and must approve any subsequent amendments. It approves the tabled budgets of crown corporations and any government-requested appropriations to cover operating deficits. Parliament also reviews the annual reports of crown corporations, queries ministers during question period and discusses corporate performance with ministers and senior management in the forum of parliamentary committees. In federal politics, however, no standing committee specializes in the scrutiny of crown corporations*, although such a committee operates in Saskatchewan.

    Such formal controls on crown corporations are buttressed by a range of informal processes and influences. In fact, the relationships between governments and crown corporations, like most political relationships, are sometimes fractious and often characterized by bargaining, negotiations, and compromise. “

    Moral of the story, kids? Don’t buy lottery tickets. You’re never entirely certain just where the money is coming from…or going to….

    *Thus the Airbus scandal, Shawinigate, and any number of other financial scandals surrounding Canadian governments, past, present, and likely future….

  • Aggie says:

    Hahahaha too many links in my comment, it got moderated! Well, Mike you wanted links! You can’t say you didn’t get what you asked for! 😀

  • Aggie says:

    Oh, and Crown Corp money does come out of the tax-revenues pot; that’s the whole issue with it, and why the misappropriation scandals are such big news up here.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    Actually, I was looking for a single link. You provided several, none of which indicate that the government is subsidizing the lottery, rather than the other way around.

    Now your last statement may have merit, if you could point to a link showing that tax money has been appropriated for transfer to the Crown Corporation, that is if the Crown Corporation runs the lotteries. As I read your material, another corporation runs the lotteries, and this is a federal corporation. Just because it’s a federal corporation doesn’t mean that it has income from tax revenues.

  • Aggie says:

    “Just because it’s a federal corporation doesn’t mean that it has income from tax revenues.”

    In Canada, it does; we pay income tax to the Federal Government first, then the Provincial Government second. Not sure how it works in the US.

  • Mike (DDTFA) says:

    “Federal corporation” does NOT equal “federal government”. They’re two different things.