Subways of London
False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Bloomington, Illinois this weekend. He mentioned needing to add more chairs to their small conference room, but the group included Sam Qualls and Shawn Christal imported from Missouri. Additionally, he imported Al Volle and Ralph Dowd from Cincinnati to give the prayers. Al Volle had a Freudian slip during the prayers, almost saying “Mr. Armstrong” when talking about Weinland. Perhaps Al and Sam compared notes as they have been mentioned previously on this blog. Ralph is indeed a senior elder and is placed over newly promoted full elder Lynette Eckhardt and the rest of PKG in Illinois.
The dollar is about to go down the toilet. There was much chuckling over the phrase “safety of treasuries”. As Jack has pointed out, the US dollar is worth more than the Canadian dollar contradicting what Ron stated. Personally, I’m not interested in financial advice from someone under criminal investigation by the IRS.
Ron’s sermon was about preparation for the Feast of Tabernacles, the first full feast to be observed by PKG since what was to be the last full feast in 2007. He put out his standard spiel about how there might not be a feast this year. (MP3 clip) I expect that we’ll hear Ron repeat this a few more times before they have their feast this fall.
In the Millennium, some in PKG will be part of the 144,000 giving feast sermons. But the only ones guaranteed for sure to be in that cohort are Ron and Laura. Attendance at the feast is a powerful spiritual tool that will draw people together. But despite having traveled to the US in the past to attend the full 8 days and despite having been sealed on the Feast of Trumpets of 2008, Benjamin Ikwueme has lost out because he refused to kowtow to Ron’s Facebook doctrine.
PKG members are not to work during the feast this year, even if not able to attend a sponsored feast site due to finances. Not even on the 5 days that are not high days or the sabbath in the middle. Ron may provide financial assistance. But people who take advantage of 2nd tithe assistance will not be in the 144,000.
Ron mentioned a number of feast sites including
- Idaho
- Hawaii
- Los Angeles, California
- Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri
- Nashville, Tennessee
- Rhode Island
- Jacksonville, Florida
- Niagara Falls area
- Winnipeg, Manitoba
- Netherlands
- Scotland
- Rotorua, New Zealand
- Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
This is in contrast to feasts prior to 2008 in which there was only a single site in the US and a few smaller overseas sites although many of the overseas members traveled to the US.
Ron took some time to rail against the crackpots and weirdos out there. (MP3 clip) Can anyone tell me who they are? And what crazy things they did?
Tags: Ralph Dowd
“He put out his standard spiel about how there might not be a feast this year.”
I noticed that too. He also mentioned that if the feast does not take place, that which has been saved aside should be sent in. I remember something about another google campaign looming.
Mmmmm, that which was set aside should be sent in. But, um, won’t the dollar be worthless if the feast “can’t” happen??
He is such a %%€*]£ €£^|€>.
My peers have been much more accurate about the stock market than Gods most formidable prophet of all time.
Good point Kirrily. If the feast can’t happen, what is the point of sending in the worthless dollars? Now who’s the crackpots and weirdos?
The American Stock Market, “Wall-Street”, is doing nominal this year steering a course in the 9,900 to 10,800 area averaging out in the 10,300′s.
Now these numbers mean little without context. The American Market spiked in the low 14,000′s, but this was a spike, not a nominal value.
The nominal value over the last 5 years before the recessions onset was about 10,500. So why a recession if the stock market is back in its typical average before the recession starts?
Because of the 14,000 drop, lots of money was lost in that drop and a recovery is required for the remaining money to invest in solid stocks instead of the faulty towers of the hey day.
Jobs are very low because of that drop and “confidence” is low as well. That lack of confidence is what keeps the jobs low as people only hire the minimums and are willing to fire on a moments notice.
This to shall pass.
There is no real indications, IMO, of further long term degradation of the Stock Market base. While the market thrashes about within is 1000 point play area (9800 to 10,800), because of lack of confidence and world market activity, it might go lower but not by much. Why not? Because there are so many more safe-guards on the market this year and last year. The people with the power to suspend trade are watching very carefully and not allowing panic to set in. This is called “good government”.
PKG’s insight into there assessment that the market will crash is all based on faith in a spiritual (and I use the term loosely in this case) leader who states it must happen to fulfill his very own predictions of the End of the World! Well that is nonsense, that is like assessing that the sun will not rise tomorrow in the eastern sky’s because of the price of corn flour decreasing in Montreal. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
Synopsis: PKG is whack! Of course they will have feasts this year and next year. The American economy is being held in check with prospects of increase being seeded by knowing hands. But this strategy has it’s downside as well, the recession will last longer due to a “long view” approach being taken and not some quick fix (even though some have obviously been applied). Jobs will remain low and the stock market will not become bullish until both, and I mean both at the same time, slowly increase over time and lead us out of these bad times. It’s a long road, but a much safer one.
In the mean time Ron can still cast a black shroud upon the whole outlook, based on his desire for the end of all and his assumption of Witness Powers and finally his inception into the 144,000.
What a odd man, out for himself and willing to cast dark delusion upon others to get his needs met. 300 people working to support Rons needs.
Go figure?
Where do you get this “300 people” figure?
“we are having a feast this year, or maybe we won’t. I don’t know.”
Now THAT’s some powerful preaching. This guy’s a genious.
Ron has often mentioned “300″ in association with the size of PKG, likening it to Gideon’s army. Do you have a different number for membership?
Nope, it just seems like there should be more than 300. A group is usually around 30 people for a given area, although I’m not sure how many groups there are.
Bear in mind it is a long-established CoG tradition, to drive two or even three hours, to get to services on “the Sabbath”. If you’re living any closer to the city than that, you’re risking getting caught with your pants down, come Armageddon. So the reasoning went. (I should post the page from one of the YES Fall Feast lessons that says this explicitly someday.)
The attendance at local groups is often augmented by others who travel from outside the area or even the region. (In this case “local” includes surrounding states.) Ralph Dowd from Cincinnati often shows up. That said, my estimate for the size of PKG is around 700 people.
Rambo, if you have any more insights into PKG’s size please share with us.
So, if the total count of PKG is 700, then how many families of 1 or more?
For you see, tithing comes from a family. If all the families in the the PKG where 4 then there would be 175 tithers.
If the typical family makes $50,000 in income (???????) then the tithe of 10% = $5,000 yearly and so $875,000 per year to the Church of Ron.
With no real church to speak of, no charities to give to, no overhead, no land, no speakers, no band, no chior, no ministries to fund, no building funds, no nurseries and sunday school, no giving at all… then what is the church doing with that money?
Paying Ron to speak and travel, to cover the costs of the internet, to cover the costs of his books, and to give ron and wifey a comfortable time before they, dare I say it, die horribly at the hands of the “beast” in the J-City.
People are just plain dumb, go figure?
“If the typical family makes $50,000 in income (???????) then the tithe of 10% = $5,000 yearly and so $875,000 per year to the Church of Ron.”
I think you are being conservative in your estimate of income. I think Ron and Laura are pocketing > $500,000 per year for their retirement. That’s why it is so important for them to keep people believing that 2012 is the end. His followers should know that Ron and Laura have done their own private math and have calculated what it will take to sustain them post-apocalypse (the fleeing of Ron out of this church).
Has anyone heard how many new people all these new elders are baptizing? Instead of all the thousands of people that are suppose to be flocking to PKG, it seems that Ron is woking hard to hang on to the ones he has.
I would rather guess that the creation of the Eldars etc… was merely another ploy to string along the sheep. There are no thousands to baptize, no millions to stream in, merely another way to keep the sheep happy while the rancher sheer’s them of thier fleece. Docile sheep are simple to work with, a good rancher knows how to make them docile.
Sometimes it makes me feel sick about how much money I’ve given away to not only Ron, but a myriad of other ‘ministries’. I will never tithe again – ever.
“Sometimes it makes me feel sick about how much money I’ve given away to not only Ron, but a myriad of other ‘ministries’. I will never tithe again – ever”
Just take it as an “experience” through which you have learned on this journey called life…don’t let it make you regret in the full sense….for example: I don’t regret gettin involved with Ron as i know it was for a reason…it is one more crazy event in a wild ride…i have learned alot through it…everythin is for a reason i believe…nothin happens by chance. It is alot easier to deal with if you think of things that way.
You are right Steve. Most days I feel like that, but sometimes I have a pity party!! Oh woa to me!!! Lol.
A Brief History of the Apocalypse
http://www.abhota.info/
I wonder if Ron will get a footnote in this list. I found it interesting that Christopher Columbus even wrote a book saying that 1658 would be the end of the world.
Hi Kirrily – I posted this message to you and I was thinking you may not have seen it, so I am copying it to you here – From your posts I gather that you are definitely ‘in the recovery mode’ – Hang in there – It gets better with time
Debbie says:
June 5, 2010 at 08:03
Hi Kirrily – I totally relate with what you are posting – Many times throughout my life I have been “out of touch” with religious practice & god – I always had a yearning to search & find god and thus a meaning for my life
Since my experience with Ronald Weinland & PKG I have had a change of approach and attitude toward man’s religions and their gods
Through my continued investigations I am finding my mind opening to different attitudes towards the bible and god other than what I had believed for most of my life – surprisingly I discovered that some of the things I believed with all my heart at one time are no longer true to me
I have found that the questions that I had re: bible & god while I was involved in religion are being answered
I find, for me, this it is a continual process – one which allows me to love myself more and thus allows me to love others more and allow them to love me as well – with less guilt, less pride and less ego
I am no longer ‘righteous’ – I am me – I just ‘am’ and for me, that is a good place to be -
Hi Debbie, thank you so much for your words – it means a lot. Like you, I’m finding things I believed with all my heart are probably not true
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Thank you for writing what you have above.
Kirrily said “I’m finding things I believed with all my heart are probably not true .”
The wonderful part of that is – it is OK – living is so much easier when there isn’t someone else’s standard to live up to – a standard which sets a person up for failure every time – causing a person to be hypervigilant about their every thought and action – My opinion is that is alot of unnecessary work – I used to be completely exhausted and my esteem was rock bottom – Now I feel free from all that
The beauty is in the discovering of the new perspectives – perspectives which allow you to open up – rather than rules that ‘close you down’ –
Keep blossoming !!
Too true. Thanks again Debbie
“That said, my estimate for the size of PKG is around 700 people.”
Any idea how many of this number got sucked in by Timeline Two-and-a-half*? I know there was at least 100 sucked in by the Adwords campaign, before the first set of prophetic dates failed to materialize, in 2008.
*New sitcom idea for FOX! “Two and a Half Witnesses”! I smell a hit….Any takers? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?
I think most of them were sucked in during 2008, but a few into 2009. And we have a few more still playing with the line but whom Ron hasn’t quite reeled in yet, like Mal.
As far as his ordination campaign, I don’t think it’s attracted any from the scattering. My mother wasn’t impressed when I told her that she could be an elder.
LOL, at least there’s hope for your Mom yet!
Hi peep,s
I too chase the truth constantly regardless of what I might find.
I feel driven, its the insanity of this place this life which drives me.
I suspect we are all of like mind;
For me I am starting to trust my intuition, meaning if I hear or read something and go with my inyuition Im scoring hits and learning truth.
Just read quite a bit about people living inside the earth. My instinct said yes your on the right track and this has started me on an avalanch of fact pointing to this being fact.
Aliens , same thing.
God ,jesus- angels ,demons ,same thing.
But my instincts tell me stay clear of religions .Espesially churches that ask or asimilate money into there makeup.
Aso to beware of anyone wearing a suit ,or anyone not content to live simply and minimalist.
I do expect to be part of THE CHURCH, when jesus is ready.
Also I am beginning to think jesus may come as an influence and truth and connection of mindset working through the minds ready to recieve him becoming -a oneneness made of many.
Has anyone else considered this.
John, this blog discusses the nature of Ronald Weinland, in particular how he and his prophecies are false. Ron does not teach that people live inside the earth, in fact while I’ve encountered a number of strange notions this is a new one for me.
How did you happen to run across Weinland in your searches?
Hi Mike ,
I dont actually remember I just follow a flow which takes me places .